madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[foozoor]

It seems that igv finally succeeded in doing better than ngu sharp with fsrcnnx.
I literally can't see any differences...

Will madVR 1.00.00 be released this year?

[psyside]

960 or 1050ti ideally on a budget but that 950 is looking good for the price. You're downscaling so it doesn't use much processing power to do that unless you're doing 60fps or using ssim2D. I'd stick it in bicubic 150 and probably not bother with any other enhancements as you have tons of detail already.

I have no idea what i will be doing, lol. i want to get the most iq/quality of the videos, filmed with my phone, this is the mediainfo on the clips if needed,


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950 can't do HEVC in HW as I understand it...I'd say 960 if cheaper, 1050 otherwise (Ti is more expensive)

Is 1050 2gb better then GTX 750 ti 4gb, while it cost around 70$ more?

Forget 950 or 960 the dont have HDMI 2.0b only HDMI 2.0. Grab GTX 1050Ti ( Palit makes a passive one ).

I cant afford 1050 ti at this moment.

Why is 2.0b gonna even matter for madVR? Yeah 960/1050+ for HEVC / decent performance for sure.

960 4gb used is around same money as new 1050 2gb, what to get, or maybe even GTX 750 ti 4gb for almost 50% chaper?

GTX 950 has the same hardware decoder as GTX 960.

So does this make the 950 2gb better vs 750 ti 4gb?

OK. At the time I eventually purchased the GTX 960, there was a net-wide consensus it was the lowest GTX to feature a HEVC decoder

9604gb is the best option compared to the other cards?

you can generally ignore minor HDMI difference for GPUs. it doesn't matter it is all up to the driver what type of 0 and 1 are send over the cable.

the stuff a GPU driver can't fix is HDCP which is doesn't matter to us madVR user and the bandwidth of the HDMI connector.
hdmi 2.0a-z doesn't matter as long as the bandwidth is present to send the data and the driver is able to creates the data. there is a reason kepler cards can do limited HDMI 2.0

So with my U2414h should i be worried about hdmi/dp stuff?

Thanks all!

[huhn]

So with my U2414h should i be worried about hdmi/dp stuff?

nothing i'm aware of.
a used 960 4Gb is faster than a 1050 ti and cheaper at the same time but it may not support HDr 4k netflix. sorry i'm not 100% sure how this copy protection rubbish works

[psyside]

nothing i'm aware of.
a used 960 4Gb is faster than a 1050 ti and cheaper at the same time but it may not support HDr 4k netflix. sorry i'm not 100% sure how this copy protection rubbish works

Thanks dude, i do not use Netflix online, i sometimes download tv shows, that will make the issue not existent right?

[huhn]

i guess

[ryrynz]

Will madVR 1.00.00 be released this year?

I'd put money on it that this is a no. Next year maybe.



a used 960 4Gb is faster than a 1050 ti

Nev said 1050ti is faster. Have you tested both cards?

[foxyshadis]

I'm still getting reports on d3rd3vil, so I guess I should post to state that he was given strikes at the time for the latest DV post and another completely useless post, and informed that the next post on the topic would mean a ban. Let me know if it happens again; with any luck the problem is taken care of.

[foxyshadis]

I have no idea what i will be doing, lol.
Then there's no way to give you a recommendation. Based on your one listed use-case, a 4K AVC video, anything since a 600-generation can hardware decode it perfectly, though the 900-generation can do it with even less power. I don't really know what you mean by IQ; AVC and HEVC either decode perfectly or don't. What matters is what enhancements you want MadVR to provide, and at what resolution, not what the original video is. Tell us what you expect to do to the video, then we can get an idea of what minimum baseline you'll need.

Is 1050 2gb better then GTX 750 ti 4gb, while it cost around 70$ more?
The 1050 is definitely better in every way than the 750, including price. At Newegg, the 1050ti 4GB is actually $25 cheaper than the cheapest 750ti 2G, might pay to look around more. Unless you're talking a used 750, then you just have to weigh the extra performance and future-proofing against the price for yourself.

I cant afford 1050 ti at this moment.
Well then why even ask? Grovel the used markets until you find something that meets your budget and performance requirements. If you can't find anything, either lower your expectations or drop it.

[huhn]

Nev said 1050ti is faster. Have you tested both cards?

no my assumption is based pure processing power and the knowable that Maxwell and Pascal do similar.
the 960 is only interesting when bought used.

[Razoola]

I just saw a 390.65 driver has been released by nvidia, can't install it yet as not home.... Maybe this will finally fix HDR.

[Razoola]

Finally.... Nvidia... finally....

I can report HDR on win7x64 is now correctly enabling at the start of, and disabling correctly at end of HDR movie playback with 390.65 drivers released today :)

[SamuriHL]

Well that's very good news. I'll install it later and test for 3D and see if they broke anything there. LOL

[ultrahd_hdr]

is there any workaround 4 FS that works with fall creators update?
thanks

[mclingo]

is there any workaround 4 FS that works with fall creators update?
thanks

what do you mean by FS, full screen exclusive?

[ultrahd_hdr]

what do you mean by FS, full screen exclusive?

when going full screen,the screen turns black,when you right click the mouse the picture is restored,it turns black as soon as you release the mouse!

[pirlouy]

It seems that igv finally succeeded in doing better than ngu sharp with fsrcnnx.
Link ?

[Rick164]

Finally.... Nvidia... finally....

I can report HDR on win7x64 is now correctly enabling at the start of, and disabling correctly at end of HDR movie playback with 390.65 drivers released today :)

Tried the new drivers with my GTX1080 and not switching to HDR, before it would black screen so there's some improvement.

Have enabled FSE mode and > 10 bit for the display, tried difference HDR settings in madVR as well(decide / passthru etc..) but same results.
Could you perhaps share some of the settings needed for this to work?

[brazen1]

Good news today. New NVidia driver 390.65-desktop-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe now engages and disengages HDR mode properly. The stereoscopic wizard is also functioning as intended and 3D is working fine. However, one persistent problem remains. Even though stereoscopic is enabled in NCP and W10 display properties, after playback of HDR, stereoscopic is disabled. Stereoscopic must be enabled again before 3D playback. This has been an ongoing issue since HDR was introduced. This is why I created the .bats to enable stereoscopic automatically prior to 3D playback in the guide and has been working perfectly for a year now. Tested using MPC-BE. Previously PowerDVD was engaging 3D perfectly using the script as well. With the new driver, the display reports 3D engaged but PowerDVD is rendering 2D. Color Space is correct. Desktop mode is at 60Hz RGB limited 8bit. 3D Video mode is at 24Hz with 10/12 bit using FSE. 2D Video mode is at 23Hz with D3D11 FSE 10bit and Windowed 8bit. This is all automated.

My NVidia adjustments after driver installation:

Enable stereoscopic and wizard auto runs
Adjust 3D resolution to 1080p (24Hz should already be displayed)
Adjust native resolution to 2160p @60Hz
Under Manage 3D Settings/Program Settings - Add MPC-BE then Vertical Sync to ON
Global Tab - Set power management mode to ADAPTIVE
Adjust Image settings for QUALITY
Configure PhysX to my GTX 960
Content Type Reported leave at AUTO
Use Inverse Telecine OFF

[Rick164]

Tried it again after reboot and TV reports HDR but madVR doesn't show it in the top left corner, also color space gets converted to DCI-P3 as in below screenshot.
Any idea what might be going wrong here?

Seems Windows isn't enabling HDR on its own, manually enabling it beforehand and it shows up in madVR but it all looks washed out then.

https://i.imgur.com/S6IbxJv.jpg

[mclingo]

Rick164 - first thing I noticed is that you havent set a custom 23.976 resolution in MADVR, thats why you are getting 23.98xxx and dropped frames.

If you have a HDR TV or display double check you have MADR set to pass thru HDR and dont turn it on in windows, MADVR should be doing that for you.

Turn FSE off, dont need it with NVIDIA card at all.

Power cycle your TV full, if its anything like my LG OLED sometimes it gets stuck and stops triggering HDR or 3D until I full power cycle it, and I dont meab put it in standby, unplug it for a seconds. This happens about once a month for me, usually though when MADVR has crashed and it hasnt for a while now.

I'm using an RX 550 though so my experience will be different to yours, currently HDR is all working as it should on AMD cards.

[brazen1]

With NVidia, FSE needs to be enabled for 3D.

When I used custom resolutions in the past, the timing was perfect but I noticed everything was playing in 8bit. I deleted the custom resolution and playback was once again 10bit. Might have been some bad coincidence on my end or indeed custom resolutions affect bit depth. Comments?

Rick, sometimes HDR does not engage properly without starting and stopping the title a couple times. Have you tried this? Also I don't think BT.2020>DCI-P3 is telling us anything is getting converted. I think it is telling us what display calibration it was mastered on and/or the content is limited to DCI-P3.

[mclingo]

we've discussed this many times Brazen1, only AMD cards required FSE for MVC 3D, look back further in the posts, the problem is 3D keeps getting turned off and disabled, a bath file has been created to run before you start your movie which works 100% of the time apparently.

I havent had chance to test it myself yet on my spare 1050, my RX 550 is working ok at the moment and i'm just getting around to watching some stuff i've been putting off for a while.

here is the batch file details again to save you reading back.


REM Change a registry key and values with Regedit.exe
REM and a temporary .reg file. Self contained script.
REM
REM For magic keyboard numbers go here:
REM http://3dvision-blog.com/3053-modifying-all-3d-vision-control-key-combinations-as-you-need/

REM Necessary header for importing .reg file.
> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO.

REM Decide which CPU architecture- to set the proper registry keys for x86 and x64.
REM Using GOTO instead of IF THEN ELSE because of better compatibility.
REM Assume x86 as the architecture.
SET "KEY=[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D]"
REM Reset the key if that's not right.
IF "%PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE%"=="x86" GOTO EchoKey
SET "KEY=[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D]"
:EchoKey
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO %KEY%

REM Now the series of registry dwords for that \Stereo3D key.
REM Let's auto-enable 3D, without going through the test.
REM Bypass the Medical Test
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO "StereoVisionConfirmed"=dword:00000001
REM Reset from Discover
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO "StereoViewerType"=dword:00000001

REM Now let's import registry file
REM /s is used to avoid an "Are you sure" prompt
regedit.exe /s "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg"

REM -- No registry key for Enable stereoscopic 3D checkbox, so we'll directly
REM call the activation tool. Change path if this is not correct.
REM We call for both 32 bit and 64 bit. If one fails it's not a problem.
CALL "C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstlink.exe" /enable
CALL "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstlink.exe" /enable

[mytbyte]

@mclingo: I'm looking for a cheap gfx card for my older machine that can do all the 4K, HDR, mostly MPC-HC/MadVR and YT VP9 profile 2 stuff...how is rx 550 in this regard?

[Razoola]

Tried the new drivers with my GTX1080 and not switching to HDR, before it would black screen so there's some improvement.

Have enabled FSE mode and > 10 bit for the display, tried difference HDR settings in madVR as well(decide / passthru etc..) but same results.
Could you perhaps share some of the settings needed for this to work?

I'm guessing your on win10? Blank screen with FSE seems to be the norm with people on win10.

I'm on win7.

[mclingo]

@mclingo: I'm looking for a cheap gfx card for my older machine that can do all the 4K, HDR, mostly MPC-HC/MadVR and YT VP9 profile 2 stuff...how is rx 550 in this regard?


sorry i cant speak for vp9 buts everything else is fine, however if you just want a no frills 4k card which supports 4k/HDR/HEVC the Nvidia 1030 is the cheapest on the market right now unless you go for a used RX 460.

[huhn]

@mclingo: I'm looking for a cheap gfx card for my older machine that can do all the 4K, HDR, mostly MPC-HC/MadVR and YT VP9 profile 2 stuff...how is rx 550 in this regard?

polaris doesn't have a hardware decoder for VP9 in general.

for VP9 profile 2 you need a 1050 ti

[mclingo]

I dont watch much on youtube really so I hadnt noticed it wasnt working, a quick view of the AMD threads confirm no VP9 in polaris, or at least there doesnt seems to be, there are workarounds which were broken by creators and AMD drivers, not sure what the current situation is.

looks like NVIDIA is the best bet.

[mytbyte]

polaris doesn't have a hardware decoder for VP9 in general.

for VP9 profile 2 you need a 1050 ti

OK, so GT 1030 does have the VP9 decoder but no profile 2...I'll live without the latter...thx guyz

P.S. just found this screenshot posted way earlier on this forum: http://jpegshare.net/d2/3a/d23a630cf160163c5057946f6df5056c.jpg.html

seem like profile 2 is covered as well...seems like quite a little beast

[huhn]

1030-1050 ti and the 1080 TI have profile 2 but you are not going to have fun with a 2GB card if you want to output UHD.

polaris has a 8 bit hybrid decoder which stresses the GPU notable and AFAIK it only works in chrome. hybrid decoder are generally not worth the time.

[mytbyte]

1030-1050 ti and the 1080 TI have profile 2 but you are not going to have fun with a 2GB card if you want to output UHD.

polaris has a 8 bit hybrid decoder which stresses the GPU notable and AFAIK it only works in chrome. hybrid decoder are generally not worth the time.

Actually I don't really need UHD output, I primarily need to run 4K/HDR content from disk to a 2K monitor or FHD TV, for YT part I was just hoping to get better picture from 4K YT clip since the 1080 downscaled versions can look pixelated with bad gradations, the way YT downconverts them...

I apologize for spamming the thread...thanks

[huhn]

VP9 profile 2 is HDR not SDR on YT (they may change that in the future and please correct if the did already)

so your GPU needs to be able to run the HDR-> SDR conversation in madVR which takes quite some processing power.

i have no clue if a 1030 or 1050 can do that. 2GB should be totally fine for 1080p output.

because you may care about downscaling. so you may like to know that bicubic 150 is terrible in my eyes for downscaling and SSIM is the only god tier downscaler in madVR. the problem of bicubic 150 is not a single frame it can be seen in motion where it >can< look like NN.

[mclingo]

question - up scaling 1080p to 4k on my RX 550, which makes the most PQ difference, chroma up scaling or image up scaling, is it best to put all your gpu eggs into the up scaling basket, chroma , or a balance of the two. I am currently using NGU sharp medium for upscale and lanczos for chroma upscale.

thoughts anyone?

[Rick164]

Rick164 - first thing I noticed is that you havent set a custom 23.976 resolution in MADVR, thats why you are getting 23.98xxx and dropped frames.

If you have a HDR TV or display double check you have MADR set to pass thru HDR and dont turn it on in windows, MADVR should be doing that for you.

Turn FSE off, dont need it with NVIDIA card at all.

Power cycle your TV full, if its anything like my LG OLED sometimes it gets stuck and stops triggering HDR or 3D until I full power cycle it, and I dont meab put it in standby, unplug it for a seconds. This happens about once a month for me, usually though when MADVR has crashed and it hasnt for a while now.

I'm using an RX 550 though so my experience will be different to yours, currently HDR is all working as it should on AMD cards.

Frame drops only happen for me when I skip though as it needs some time to fill the queues again, might need to lower some things a bit but still tweaking NGU related settings.
Currently for 24P I let it use the edid info like so:

https://i.imgur.com/smLiUYW.png

Which is different than what madVR is finally reporting so not sure what would cause that but can't get any closer than that.

It's a Sony XE9305 but will try a power cycle, also tried the same files on my Apple TV 4K using the Infuse app there and springs to HDR right away so know the files have the needed metadata at least.

I'm guessing your on win10? Blank screen with FSE seems to be the norm with people on win10.

I'm on win7.

Yeah Win10, right now the workaround is using the Apple TV but that isn't ideal for picture / sound quality.
Will just wait a bit as it seems HDR and Windows is just buggy, seen this in games as well where AC: Origins works perfectly in HDR but Andromeda just fails.

[ryrynz]

so your GPU needs to be able to run the HDR-> SDR conversation in madVR which takes quite some processing power.

i have no clue if a 1030 or 1050 can do that. 2GB should be totally fine for 1080p output..

Don't get the 1030, it's too slow. My 960 handles hdr only just.. 60fps is no go.. Plus no extra image processing and lower end chroma options.. If you're taking 4K/HDR seriously it's 1060+ otherwise 1050ti minimum imo. 950/960/1050 great for 480-1080p on the cheap.

[xabregas]

1030-1050 ti and the 1080 ti have profile 2 but you are not going to have fun with a 2gb card if you want to output uhd.


gtx 1060??

And is madvr affected by the spectre???

[huhn]

the 1060 doesn't have a VP9 profile 2 decoder.

[psyside]

Then there's no way to give you a recommendation. Based on your one listed use-case, a 4K AVC video, anything since a 600-generation can hardware decode it perfectly, though the 900-generation can do it with even less power. I don't really know what you mean by IQ; AVC and HEVC either decode perfectly or don't. What matters is what enhancements you want MadVR to provide, and at what resolution, not what the original video is. Tell us what you expect to do to the video, then we can get an idea of what minimum baseline you'll need.


The 1050 is definitely better in every way than the 750, including price. At Newegg, the 1050ti 4GB is actually $25 cheaper than the cheapest 750ti 2G, might pay to look around more. Unless you're talking a used 750, then you just have to weigh the extra performance and future-proofing against the price for yourself.


Well then why even ask? Grovel the used markets until you find something that meets your budget and performance requirements. If you can't find anything, either lower your expectations or drop it.



Hello my friend, and thanks alot for helping me.

Ill try to explain the best i can.

I want to watch 4K videos/movies, and make the look the best possible with GTX750 ti/1050 ti/GTX960/GT1030. The monitor is 1080p, and the clips are in 4K in the format i posted previously.

I need to know, if i "max out" the madVR settings, will any of this card be able to play the 4K clips which i provided the format/codecs/info for without issues? for example you select all the best looking - processing/renderer settings in madVR panel, and get the best image quality out of the videos? i understand this is called downscaling? also for future X265 formats, for the same kind of usage, when the S9 will be released.

I got this option now for (USED) and some new cards,

GTX750 ti 4GB - 80$, GTX960 4GB - 140$, GTX 1050 2GB (new) 2GB - 160$, GT1030 2GB (new) 90$

I will be also connecting them with mu U2414h, would some of the madVR modes require, a special HDMI/DP standards? and as a final note, would 960 or 1050 offer anything at all more compared to the 750 ti 4gb, and will it worth to pay double for them? would the 2gb be bottleneck for youtube 4k/8k60? on the 1050 or for madVR? thanks.

P.S. I'm not from USA, where i live, those are the prices i can get for new/used cards.

[brazen1]

we've discussed this many times Brazen1, only AMD cards required FSE for MVC 3D, look back further in the posts, the problem is 3D keeps getting turned off and disabled, a bath file has been created to run before you start your movie which works 100% of the time apparently.

I havent had chance to test it myself yet on my spare 1050, my RX 550 is working ok at the moment and i'm just getting around to watching some stuff i've been putting off for a while.

here is the batch file details again to save you reading back.


REM Change a registry key and values with Regedit.exe
REM and a temporary .reg file. Self contained script.
REM
REM For magic keyboard numbers go here:
REM http://3dvision-blog.com/3053-modifying-all-3d-vision-control-key-combinations-as-you-need/

REM Necessary header for importing .reg file.
> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO.

REM Decide which CPU architecture- to set the proper registry keys for x86 and x64.
REM Using GOTO instead of IF THEN ELSE because of better compatibility.
REM Assume x86 as the architecture.
SET "KEY=[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D]"
REM Reset the key if that's not right.
IF "%PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE%"=="x86" GOTO EchoKey
SET "KEY=[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D]"
:EchoKey
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO %KEY%

REM Now the series of registry dwords for that \Stereo3D key.
REM Let's auto-enable 3D, without going through the test.
REM Bypass the Medical Test
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO "StereoVisionConfirmed"=dword:00000001
REM Reset from Discover
>> "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg" ECHO "StereoViewerType"=dword:00000001

REM Now let's import registry file
REM /s is used to avoid an "Are you sure" prompt
regedit.exe /s "%temp%\Update3DSettings.reg"

REM -- No registry key for Enable stereoscopic 3D checkbox, so we'll directly
REM call the activation tool. Change path if this is not correct.
REM We call for both 32 bit and 64 bit. If one fails it's not a problem.
CALL "C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstlink.exe" /enable
CALL "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstlink.exe" /enable



Uhm, I'm not sure what you're trying to educate me/us about? Quite simply, using my GTX 960 4GB for the past two years, if I turn off FSE, no matter what I do, 3D enables on the display but not the player using madVR. The moment I turn FSE back on, everything works perfectly and I attribute that to the FSE setting I just toggled per the results. Now I don't know how it works for you especially since you are using an AMD card and as you wrote haven't tested Nvidia. Fwiw, I too wrote a script to engage stereoscopic system wide a year ago when I discovered HDR playback disables it for some odd fluke of a reason no one has addressed. The difference between my script and the one you copy and pasted of Manni's is his requires a manual input to engage it and mine is automated via software front end. I've just seen you insist a bunch of times info that doesn't correlate with my real world tests and usage. This often leads to misinformation for others. This isn't to say perhaps stereoscopic engages properly for others without FSE, but I can assure it doesn't work over here. No hard feelings but before you correct me or anyone else, perhaps you should set up an identical environment and do the actual test yourself. It seems to me you've been having problems for weeks here with the most basic of things and suddenly you've become an authority. Again, no offense and with all due respect that's just how I see it.

[brazen1]

question - up scaling 1080p to 4k on my RX 550, which makes the most PQ difference, chroma up scaling or image up scaling, is it best to put all your gpu eggs into the up scaling basket, chroma , or a balance of the two. I am currently using NGU sharp medium for upscale and lanczos for chroma upscale.

thoughts anyone?

This question for example has been asked and answered more times than I can count and not only in this forum either. Use the search function.

[SamuriHL]

Don't get the 1030, it's too slow. My 960 handles hdr only just.. 60fps is no go.. Plus no extra image processing and lower end chroma options.. If you're taking 4K/HDR seriously it's 1060+ otherwise 1050ti minimum imo. 950/960/1050 great for 480-1080p on the cheap.

I would add to that for a 1060 it should be a 6gb version like mine if you're doing 4k scaling of any kind.

[SamuriHL]

Uhm, I'm not sure what you're trying to educate me/us about? Quite simply, using my GTX 960 4GB for the past two years, if I turn off FSE, no matter what I do, 3D enables on the display but not the player using madVR. The moment I turn FSE back on, everything works perfectly and I attribute that to the FSE setting I just toggled per the results. Now I don't know how it works for you especially since you are using an AMD card and as you wrote haven't tested Nvidia. Fwiw, I too wrote a script to engage stereoscopic system wide a year ago when I discovered HDR playback disables it for some odd fluke of a reason no one has addressed. The difference between my script and the one you copy and pasted of Manni's is his requires a manual input to engage it and mine is automated via software front end. I've just seen you insist a bunch of times info that doesn't correlate with my real world tests and usage. This often leads to misinformation for others. This isn't to say perhaps stereoscopic engages properly for others without FSE, but I can assure it doesn't work over here. No hard feelings but before you correct me or anyone else, perhaps you should set up an identical environment and do the actual test yourself. It seems to me you've been having problems for weeks here with the most basic of things and suddenly you've become an authority. Again, no offense and with all due respect that's just how I see it.

Not to add fuel to a fire and my ONLY reason for responding is to provide more data here, however, on my Windows 10 insider build HTPC with a 1060, I am able to run 3D in windowed mode. That is NOT to discount your issue with having to use FSE, simply to provide more data that it's not at all consistent between users.

[ryrynz]

Calm down with the quoting, brazen1 don't quote entire posts with batch files.. You can edit the quote to one line..

[Razoola]

I got a quick question about DXVA2 copyback in relation to profile 2, UHD and the GTX 1030 (and maybe 1050) and LAV / madVR.

I'm sure I am correct to think that in a dual GPU PC setup using LAV and DVXA2 copyback that I could use a GTX 1030 to decode video profile 2 that is then output on another GPU to the display (which does not have provile 2). Now, in a setup like this am I right to assume that the memory on the 1030 does not come into play when it comes to the stuff madVR does and the only important memory madVR is intrested in from a GFX card standpoint would be that on the card with the port outputting GFX to the display?

So if for example I have a GTX980 and a GTX1030, madVR would not touch the 2gig memory on the GTX1030 and would only be limited by the 4gig memory on the GTX980? At the same time LAV would only HW decode on the GTX 1030 which is then passed (copyback) to the GTX 980?

Has anyone got a setup running like this (does not have to be those two GFX cards) and if so, is there a big hit in time for the cards to copy data from one to the other?

[mytbyte]

Don't get the 1030, it's too slow. My 960 handles hdr only just.. 60fps is no go.. Plus no extra image processing and lower end chroma options.. If you're taking 4K/HDR seriously it's 1060+ otherwise 1050ti minimum imo. 950/960/1050 great for 480-1080p on the cheap.

It's me who wants to get the 1030 and it's for a second, old rig in another location, no sense in anything dearer than 1030/R550 (not in US so prices don't compare)...I have the 960 in my main rig and it runs a certain HFR movie by Ang Lee in 60 fps + others just fine with any MadVR Options, basically only the Error diffusion kills it...and DXVA downscale in copy-back mode...

[huhn]

So if for example I have a GTX980 and a GTX1030, madVR would not touch the 2gig memory on the GTX1030 and would only be limited by the 4gig memory on the GTX980? At the same time LAV would only HW decode on the GTX 1030 which is then passed (copyback) to the GTX 980?

d3d11 can do this better than dxva2. for DXVa2 you need a active display connection to the 1030 for d3d11 you don't need one.

the biggest possible problem in such a setup should be the PCIe speed. i'm not sure if UHD 60 FPS can be done with PCIe 3 x8 but 4x could is dangerously low.

so if your board support 2 GPU with PCIe 3 8x it may work if it only supports 16x 4x you maybe in trouble.

@mytbyte
HDR->SDR conversion needs a lot of processing power feel free to ignore it and buy a card that can't do it. HDR passthrough is fast HDR->SDR conversation is not.

like a said before the 550 is not worth it's money get a 560 for little more that is 2x as fast.

if you want YT HDR you need either a beefy CPU or a 1030-1050 ti.
if you want a GPU that can do HDR->SDR conversation you need a GPU with enough processing power to do that.

[mclingo]

Uhm, I'm not sure what you're trying to educate me/us about? .......


Here's the thing, I too thought this way, I was convinced FSE was required on NVIDIA until I tested it myself. When I said I hadnt tested it I meant I had not tested this batch file, 3D was working on my system with FSE turned off but it wasnt always working due to the 3D turning itself off all the time, if I deployed the batch file 3D should be working fine. I went back to AMD because I was getting system hangs and far more black screen loss of handshake than I was with My AMD card, and my AMD card always works in 3D.

No idea why your NVIDIA card doesnt work with it off then, very odd.

EDIT - have you tried windowed mode?

[mclingo]

This question for example has been asked and answered more times than I can count and not only in this forum either. Use the search function.

tried that, too many variables, yes or no would suffice, hardly putting anyone out.

[huhn]

luma is more important than chroma.
use your eye to see what works best for you.

i personally will never go lower than super XBR on chroma.
and i personally would never use a signal that subsamples or a TV that can't do 4:4:4 because the image quality differences are obvious to me.

[Siso]

i personally will never go lower than super XBR on chroma.

How about NGU-AA-medium for chroma, and why you like super-xbr-100 for chroma?

[huhn]

correct me if i'm wrong but it is cheaper that's why. NGU low was comparable(faster) in speed to super xbr.