madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[SamuelMaki]

Can you bitstream DTS with ReClock?

Check "accept bitstream formats", and "set 24-bit padded in 32-bit" and "same as input" for the sample rate... You must configure LAV/ffdshow audio to send bitstream over hdmi/spdif...

And use WASAPI/Kernel Streaming...

[pacemaker1000]

You need to use ReClock with WASAPI output (or another renderer with WASAPI output, which don't really exist), only then HDMI will switch automatically between stereo and 5.1, and your receiver can apply its processing.

i was afraid of that

trouble is i find that with Reclock i get dropped frames

[SamuriHL]

Another alternative is JRiver MC17. It has ReClock like abilities and has WASAPI mode for audio. I'm no longer using ReClock in my setup and relying on MC17 to keep things in sync. It works extremely well.

[pacemaker1000]

OK giving Reclock another go!
repeat frame with reclock goes from hours to seconds/minutes although i dont see the dropped frame counter moving which is weird
As informed by Nev everything now works ok with hmdi set to 2ch in playback config setting
will see how this pans out

off subject i know but any idea why TMT only outputs 2ch into Reclock? only setting where i get sound is with mix to uncompressed audio?
edit
answering my own question TMT only sees what hdmi is set to 2o that explains why its 2ch. pity as it works well and smooth,. only way to get 5.1 without changing the hdmi setting is to use onboard sound card. works but stutters. damn are all these thing designed for it not to work?

[jmone]

Another alternative is JRiver MC17. It has ReClock like abilities and has WASAPI mode for audio. I'm no longer using ReClock in my setup and relying on MC17 to keep things in sync. It works extremely well.

MC's "Video Clock" was developed to not only give the same features of ReClock but with advise and guidance of madshi with the dev process actaully reads video clock timing from madVR itself.

[SamuriHL]

MC's "Video Clock" was developed to not only give the same features of ReClock but with advise and guidance of madshi with the dev process actaully reads video clock timing from madVR itself.

That would explain why it works so well. Sweet. I haven't been using ReClock for a while now. The Video Clock feature provides everything I need.

[dansrfe]

I sincerely cannot wait for madVR v1.0 so that I can donate for the continued development and support of this superior renderer.

[nx6]

I'm eagarly awaiting for DVD playback to work with it in Win 7 and above (without DLL hacks).

If I'd known about MadVR I wouldn't have bought an upconverting DVD player when my old one broke down. I couldn't find a video player that gave me a satisfying picture on my HD display when I used my PC for DVD playback unless I used commercial DVD playback software, and they cost more than I spent on the upscaling stand-alone Sony player I ended up buying instead. But using MadVR with Zoom Player or MPC gives me a picture that easily rivals it. I'm not sure why Haali's didn't work. It's the picture render I was using for all my video files at the time and they looked great, but for some reason DVDs played back with Haali's looked very blurry.

[dansrfe]

^ Have you tried dslibdvdnav on sourceforge? It works without replacing any system dlls.

[nx6]

No, but I have been following the convo in the "Open Source DirectShow DVD Navigator" thread. I was getting the impression the project discussed there was abandoned and everyone had gone off and done their own thing for individual players/media center frontends.

[ryrynz]

I sincerely cannot wait for madVR v1.0 so that I can donate for the continued development and support of this superior renderer.

With ya on that, I'm really waiting for the better upscaling algorithms which will probably come right when it hits 1.0.
I wonder if Madshi plans to create a paid build with extra features?

[THX-UltraII]

That would explain why it works so well. Sweet. I haven't been using ReClock for a while now. The Video Clock feature provides everything I need.
Is this video clock feature a part of the internal media player of mc17?

[jmone]

Is this video clock feature a part of the internal media player of mc17?

Yup - just check the box in Tools --> Options --> Video --> General Video Settings --> Video Clock

[Budtz]

I have madvr set to present 12 frames in advance. The queue starts out at 11-12 then slowly over time it drops to about 1-3. Is this normal? I have a very fast pc btw so it should not be lack of power. Also I seem to get a dropped frame or something every half an hour. But madvr does not report any dropped frames or glithces. Does this mean my tv is dropping frames? I have noticed it also happens sometimes with my blyray player. but not when wathing tv. Its a brand new samsung tv. seems strange that it can't show a simple movie without messing it up.

[6233638]

Out of interest, is there any way to get madVR working with 3D Blu-rays? I've tried playing one in MPC-HC, and it just displays in 2D?

I didn't really care before, as 3D isn't very good on my LCD but I hope to get one of those new Sony OLED 3D headsets soon.


I'm eagarly awaiting for DVD playback to work with it in Win 7 and above (without DLL hacks).With a filter list of:LAV Splitter Source
LAV Audio Decoder
ffdshow Video Decoder (make sure that "DVD decoding" is checked for the MPEG2 codec)You should be able to play DVDs with madVR in MPC-HC using the "open disc" command. (set madVR as the video renderer, and I use ReClock for the audio renderer)

In ffdshow's video output options, make sure the only supported colorspaces are YV12/NV12 and the "set interlaced flag in output media type" is enabled.

Edit: looks like LAV Splitter isn't necessary for DVDs.
My full filter list is currently:LAV Splitter Source
LAV Video Decoder (with CUDA enabled)
LAV Audio Decoder
ffdshow Audio Processor (to downmix audio)
ffdshow Video Decoder (DVD Playback only)

[THX-UltraII]

And is the mc17 internal player just as good asmpchc and can madvr and lav filters be used?

[6233638]

And is the mc17 internal player just as good asmpchc and can madvr and lav filters be used?I tried this out last night after hearing that it uses the madVR video clock for sync, rather than its own calculated sync as ReClock does. It seemed pretty good, but the UI for configuring things was fairly complex, and I didn't see a way to check that audio was being decoded correctly, for example.

The biggest issue I had was that it runs madVR in windowed mode so that they can use their own player controls for video files (which I personally thought were rather ugly) and I still have the problem where changing resolution on file launch has madVR playing back everything at what appears to be half the framerate or less in windowed mode until I bring up the madVR preferences dialogue or go into FSE.

When you enable fullscreen exclusive mode, the madVR seek bar doesn't work in their player, and mousing to the edge kicks you back to windowed mode.


The main reason I decided to try it out though, was their mention of advanced downmixing and crossfeed functions for headphone use (I only use headphones) but those controls don't seem to apply with Blu-ray playback.


Edit: Oh, and when I uninstalled it, it removed ffdshow from my system which I wasn't too happy about.

[dansrfe]

Out of interest, is there any way to get madVR working with 3D Blu-rays? I've tried playing one in MPC-HC, and it just displays in 2D?

I didn't really care before, as 3D isn't very good on my LCD but I hope to get one of those new Sony OLED 3D headsets soon.


With a filter list of:LAV Splitter Source
LAV Audio Decoder
ffdshow Video Decoder (make sure that "DVD decoding" is checked for the MPEG2 codec)You should be able to play DVDs with madVR in MPC-HC using the "open disc" command. (set madVR as the video renderer, and I use ReClock for the audio renderer)

In ffdshow's video output options, make sure the only supported colorspaces are YV12/NV12 and the "set interlaced flag in output media type" is enabled.

Edit: looks like LAV Splitter isn't necessary for DVDs.
My full filter list is currently:LAV Splitter Source
LAV Video Decoder (with CUDA enabled)
LAV Audio Decoder
ffdshow Audio Processor (to downmix audio)
ffdshow Video Decoder (DVD Playback only)

LAV Splitter Source does not "split" IFO titles and playback DVD's. The only navigation filters that can do that are MS's qdvd.dll, libdvdnav, and dslibdvdnav. Of the three dslibdvdnav seems to fix a couple of problems that MS's nav filter has had forever. Yet it still has some bugs to work out.

[Gser]

Not smooth. Every other frame is doubled.

I am experiencing the same thing with my 5870. No bobbed deinterlacing.

[THX-UltraII]

And is the mc17 internal player just as good asmpchc and can madvr and lav filters be used?

[SamuriHL]

Didn't you already post that question? :) IMO, the MC17 player is better than anything else out there for a variety of reasons. First, they developed their own subtitle renderer that works with madVR. Second, they have their own private copies of madVR, LAV Filters, and ffdshow and if you use their Red October feature, will automagically configure each one for you. (I agree with whoever said the madVR defaults aren't sufficient. I've made that point to JRiver, as well, and hopefully they will change it at some point. Window mode no workie for me either, but, I override their defaults with my own. ;)) Anyway, madshi and Nev have both worked with the JRiver developers to make their product work exceptionally well with LAV Filter and madVR.

[madshi]

I found it interesting that madVR says "deinterlacing off (framerate)", when using the internal decoder, and reports the framerate as 59.940

[...]

BTW: The issue with madVR reporting 59.940 only happens with the internal madVR decoder and Haali. Using the internal decoder with LAV Splitter shows a framerate of 29.970 (but the non-smoothness is still present).
Which Haali version are you using? I've tried the current from Haali's own homepage and also the one shipping with CoreAVC 3.0.1. I can't reproduce this problem with either Haali version. Are you using a different one? If so, can you check whether the problem goes away with the latest Haali version?

[robpdotcom]

Which Haali version are you using? I've tried the current from Haali's own homepage and also the one shipping with CoreAVC 3.0.1. I can't reproduce this problem with either Haali version. Are you using a different one? If so, can you check whether the problem goes away with the latest Haali version?

Sorry madshi, the problem was with the files. Running them through eac3to revealed that the container framerate was wrong. :(

I think I used the same program to edit/mux several files - which just happened to be files I was using to test the new deinterlacing feature.

Again, sorry for the mistake.

[jmone]

I tried this out last night after hearing that it uses the madVR video clock for sync, rather than its own calculated sync as ReClock does. It seemed pretty good, but the UI for configuring things was fairly complex, and I didn't see a way to check that audio was being decoded correctly, for example.

Yup there is alot packed in MC17 and finding it all for a newbie is not easy. If you bring up the DSP you can see how the audio is being decoded and the various processing that can be applied. You need to add the arcsoft dtsdecoderdll.dll if you want full DTS-HD decoding but apart from that it is all good.

The biggest issue I had was that it runs madVR in windowed mode so that they can use their own player controls for video files (which I personally thought were rather ugly) and I still have the problem where changing resolution on file launch has madVR playing back everything at what appears to be half the framerate or less in windowed mode until I bring up the madVR preferences dialog or go into FSE.
Most of us just change it to FSE mode by right clicking on the playing video --> Direct Show Filters --> madvr and config as you like. The issues with Windowed mode have been raised by the devs of MC with madshi.

When you enable fullscreen exclusive mode, the madVR seek bar doesn't work in their player, and mousing to the edge kicks you back to windowed mode.
When playing the video in MC17 try using the arrow keys and it will bring up a seek bar, title, chapter, stream selection etc etc and it works in both Windowed and FSE mode (specifically written to work with madvr in FSE).

The main reason I decided to try it out though, was their mention of advanced downmixing and crossfeed functions for headphone use (I only use headphones) but those controls don't seem to apply with Blu-ray playback.
Any decoded audio (regardless of source) is pushed through the DSP as long as Tools --> Options --> Video --> General Video Settings --> Bitstreaming is set to "None" and Tools --> Options --> Video --> Advanced --> Audio playback device: Same as device used in audio playback. These are both the default settings so the DSP should be active (and you can bring it up while playing and see it working).


Edit: Oh, and when I uninstalled it, it removed ffdshow from my system which I wasn't too happy about. Now this one I don't get as MC does not install FFDSHOW, it does put a copy in C:\Users\[USER NAME]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 17\Plugins\ffdshow but it calls it programatically like the other filters and does not rely on it being "installed". Edit - also with developments in madVR and LAV Video I don't know how long FFDSHOW will still be used....

[6233638]

Thanks for the reply, looks like I missed a couple of things then, I'll give it another try. It was telling me that it couldn't apply any of the DSP settings to current playback.
It may not have uninstalled ffdshow, but unregistered it? It was no longer showing up in MPC-HC after I uninstalled MC17.

I'm definitely interested in trying the headphone-related features, and it will be good if it works well as a library manager for films. I've yet to find anything for that, that I have liked using.

[jmone]

It should not have unregistered FFDSHOW either. The only think it does is add some registry entries about the custom profile to load but who knows, I've not uninstalled it to test!

Also with the DSP, all things can be setup while nothing is playing, though some things can also be changed dynamically during playback so you can hear the effect. Items that can not be changed during playback is stuff like Output Format (makes sence really).

[dansrfe]

madshi,

I'm not sure if you've recently read this thread: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=153191&page=6 but it is bringing up some interesting point about solving the whole DVD navigation situation and refresh rates so please take a look when you get a chance.

Thanks!

[Mark Regalo]

I seem to have a problem with minimizing MPC-HC and the video catching up to the audio. The audio also stops after a couple of mins when minimized.

[Alek93j]

I have two question:
1)What exactly do the new parameter "scale linar light", when should i use it?
2)Use SoftCubic 70/80 for chroma upscaling look very good and it remove a lot of banding, i wonder if there is a way for obtain the same result with avisynth, maybe it can replace gradfun3 for lower bitrate encoding.

Edit: Sorry i didn't notice than it remove banding with any resize, anyway the "debanding" result look interesting to me.

[LigH]

If I use madVR in MPC-HC, the OSD font size is twice as large as with other renderers. Which of both would be responsible for the prevention of this issue?

Newer MPC-HC versions ask madVR to draw the OSD, so if the OSD has a too big font size for your taste, you'll have to blame madVR.

So I do here. :)

I guess madVR doesn't apply a downsampling on the OSD. The background "box" looks aliased too (pixel stairs around the border).

For a comparison: "Arial 10" rendered in madVR and in VMR9 (Windows XP SP3); MPC-HC 1.5.3.3757, madVR 0.78

http://www.ligh.de/pics/madVR_OSD.png
http://www.ligh.de/pics/VMR9_OSD.png

[nevcairiel]

For a comparison: "Arial 10" rendered in madVR and in VMR9

The MPC-HC font setting has no influence whatsoever on madVR. MPC-HC just tells madVR to draw the text (just text, no formatting), and madVR then does using its default font.

PS:
regarding aliasing - its obviously easier to avoid if you have a square instead of something round. :)

[nx6]

Is there a way to turn off the "Exclusive/Windowed" message at the top left whenever control+shift is used? ( shows up for a few seconds )
I'm not getting this message anymore. Was it removed or am I just staying in Windowed mode when I go to full screen now? I used to see it but I haven't seen it in either Zoom Player or MPC-HC since v 0.77

[iSeries]

Hi Madshi,

Could you please check this log file: http://www.mediafire.com/?c5g5035cq4thwbp

MadVR is dropping crazy amounts of frames when playing index.bdmv or mpls files. Playing an m2ts directly or an mkv plays perfectly.

[mr.duck]

http://www.ligh.de/pics/madVR_OSD.png
http://www.ligh.de/pics/VMR9_OSD.png

I much prefer the MPC-HC OSD. Calibri size 20. Clean, clear, beautiful. I wish madVR OSD was exactly like the MPC one. Just my opinion though. I know some people think the madVR OSD looks better.

[hissatsu]

It should not have unregistered FFDSHOW either. The only think it does is add some registry entries about the custom profile to load but who knows, I've not uninstalled it to test!


I can confirm that it does unregister ffdshow on uninstall. Rather annoying behavior.

[leeperry]

BTW, deinterlacing cannot work on XPSP3 I guess? DXVA2 deinterlacing in LAVVideo gives instant BSOD's, so I didn't venture trying :o

I know some people think the madVR OSD looks better.
I know some ppl *HATE* OSD's http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/tang.gif

[jmone]

I can confirm that it does unregister ffdshow on uninstall. Rather annoying behavior.

Ill report it to them

[jmone]

I can confirm that it does unregister ffdshow on uninstall. Rather annoying behavior.

Thanks, Prob has been confirmed and will be fixed.

[madshi]

The "queues" version seems to fix it! All queues are equal to 0.77 and no dropped or delayed frames.
The other three versions are same as 0.78.

I noticed that this version is back to a decoder queue of 8. Interesting how that can affect the following queues when the decoder queue with 12 was always full too. Or did you change more than just the queue size in that special version?
The new v0.79 allows you to specify the queue sizes you want. Please double check whether 12/8 still makes problems. If so, you can experiment with other size combinations, too. Would be interesting to hear what you find out.

Seems to work mostly as intended for Intel HD3000 but I've only tested with a MPEG2 60i SD source so far, MPC-HC DXVA decoder used.
Some unexpected behavior: When i hit ctrl+shift+alt+d I see no combing yet the annotation says de-interlacing is off.
Log for "deinterlacing failed" message on Intel HD graphics: http://www.mediafire.com/?n8o0jz0umd4xqw1
I've tested v0.79 on my Sandy Bridge laptop and deinterlacing appears to work just fine. Tested with the 1080i60 Cheese Slices AVSForum test video. Can you please retest with v0.79?

so what could be the cause that deinterlacing, at least for AVC, does not work smoothly, when the decoder queue is ~half full and GPU load is only at 75% max?
radeon HD 4770. resolution of that video was 1080i. but its the same for a 1080p video for example. or with 720p or 320x200.
I've (for other reasons) replaced my HD 6850 with a HD 4770 today, and for me deinterlacing the 1080i60 Cheese Slices from AVSForum works just fine with the 4770, even with Lanczos4 up/downscaling. Not sure what's going on on your PC. Have you tried resetting madVR to default settings?

I have some issues with PC Levels.

Using the Clipping Pattern of Spears & Munsil High-Definition Benchmark (http://www.amazon.de/Spears-Munsil-High-Definition-Kalibrierungs-Videoprozessoren/dp/B003LQPTWY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321052262&sr=8-1)

Test pattern could be found here (http://www.mediafire.com/?w1ug1ddo5jhdbsm)

I tried this pattern using nVidia & ATI cards, in either case PC levels failed the test
Can you describe in more details what you were testing with which GPU and madVR settings? Also what did you expect to see and what did you actually see?

I ran a couple of quick scenarios:
Aero ON
1080i Windowed: GPU=72% MB=889
1080i Exclusive: GPU=37% MB=955
24p Windowed: GPU=23% MB=541
24p Exclusive: GPU=11% MB=543

Aero OFF
1080i Windowed: GPU=56% MB=789
1080i Exclusive: GPU=34% MB=843
24p Windowed: GPU=22% MB=467
24p Exclusive: GPU=9% MB=406
Very good tests, thanks! Please retest with v0.79, which has significantly reduced the deinterlacing GPU RAM consumption, and also a bit the progressive GPU RAM consumption.

With v0.79 I think a 512MB GPU should be good enough for madVR. However, having 1024MB will allow you to double the queue sizes, when using v0.79.

@madshi

i am really enjoying your 4K/MTF/35mm conversation in AVSforum
:D

I have maybe a problem with the presentation queue... Now with 0.78 version presentation queue is 0-3/4, when 0.77 reports 3-4/4 all the time... I do not have any presentation qlitches or dropped frames thought... So, what is the problem, or is there any problem with ctrl+j reporting? I am using radeon hd 5650...
Please retry with v0.79. If it still occurs, try setting the queue sizes to 8 both.

Not smooth. Every other frame is doubled.
I am experiencing the same thing with my 5870. No bobbed deinterlacing.
I've now tried with both HD 6850 and HD 4770 in win7 x64 with the latest 11.10 drivers and I can't reproduce the problem. Deinterlacing works perfectly fine for me. I've tested with v0.79, though. So please retest with v0.79, too. But I don't have much hope right now. If it still fails for you with v0.79 then we'll have to do some more logging.

Please have a look at this sample http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43376972/Movie%20deinterlacing.mkv
This is SD PAL movie (film content) in .mkv container.

If it is DXVA deinterlaced, we have a lot of shimmering and little movements (look at white roof and the combaine).
If DXVA deinterlacing is off (plain weaving?), picture is very stable.
Thanks, that's a good sample. I suppose the same image quality problems also occur with EVR, right?

But it is film content, and when "deinterlacing is off" ((cntrl+alt+shift+d) picture is OK.
What do you mean by fake-interlaced? Any PAL film content in DVD is fake-interlaced? And DXVA deinterlacer can not detect film content?
The problem is that DXVA has to "do it all". It has to detect whether the content is video or film type and has to deinterlace correctly both types. Automatically, without user intervention. Add to that that DXVA has to do it *per pixel*. This is really difficult stuff and so it's understandable that it doesn't always work perfectly. Especially with PAL content it is really hard to get this right. With PAL movies probably your best bet is to try first to disable deinterlacing. If it looks fine, keep it that way. Otherwise enable deinterlacing.

When I paused the player with madVR 0.78 window (don't know about older version and I don't use exclusive mode), the MPCHC (tested on 3824) still uses 2-5% (Core i5-2400) on madVR thread. Is there something wrong? I'm using it with LAV Splitter and LAV Video 0.39.
That's a known problem for some users. Unfortunately it doesn't occur on my PC, so I don't know right now what to do about it. I've implemented a little change in v0.79, though, which *may* help (but I rather doubt it). So you can retest this with v0.79.

I sincerely cannot wait for madVR v1.0 so that I can donate for the continued development and support of this superior renderer.
:)

If I'd known about MadVR I wouldn't have bought an upconverting DVD player when my old one broke down. I couldn't find a video player that gave me a satisfying picture on my HD display when I used my PC for DVD playback unless I used commercial DVD playback software, and they cost more than I spent on the upscaling stand-alone Sony player I ended up buying instead. But using MadVR with Zoom Player or MPC gives me a picture that easily rivals it. I'm not sure why Haali's didn't work. It's the picture render I was using for all my video files at the time and they looked great, but for some reason DVDs played back with Haali's looked very blurry.
Good to hear.

I wonder if Madshi plans to create a paid build with extra features?
Not decided yet.

I have madvr set to present 12 frames in advance. The queue starts out at 11-12 then slowly over time it drops to about 1-3. Is this normal? I have a very fast pc btw so it should not be lack of power.
What about the other queues? Are they all full? Which GPU do you have? Which OS? Does this happen with both SD and HD content? With and without deinterlacing?

Also I seem to get a dropped frame or something every half an hour. But madvr does not report any dropped frames or glithces. Does this mean my tv is dropping frames? I have noticed it also happens sometimes with my blyray player. but not when wathing tv. Its a brand new samsung tv. seems strange that it can't show a simple movie without messing it up.
Normally madVR does report dropped frames reliably. It is possible that your TV expects a very specific refresh rate and drops or repeats a frame once in a while if the refresh rate it receives differs too much. You could try tuning your GPU's refresh rate to better match what your display wants.

Are you using Reclock? If so, try turning it off for a while and try to get madVR to work without any frame drops with Reclock turned off. That should help you get to the refresh rate your display wants. Once you're there, you can turn Reclock on again.

Of course I'm only guessing here. It's also possible that your TV is innocent and that frame gets dropped in your HTPC, without madVR noticing it.

Out of interest, is there any way to get madVR working with 3D Blu-rays?
Not yet. One of the many things on my to do list.

I'm not sure if you've recently read this thread: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=153191&page=6 but it is bringing up some interesting point about solving the whole DVD navigation situation and refresh rates so please take a look when you get a chance.
Looking into DVD playback is on my to do list. But I can only do one thing at a time. Please have patience until DVD playback is my top priority.

I seem to have a problem with minimizing MPC-HC and the video catching up to the audio. The audio also stops after a couple of mins when minimized.
Please try v0.79, I think it will fix this problem.

1)What exactly do the new parameter "scale linar light", when should i use it?
Scaling in linear light is scientifically more exact, but it comes at a small performance cost and also brings its own problems. I would suggest to leave it off for upscaling. Whether you want to use it for downscaling or not is your decision. Depends on how much you downscale. The bigger the downscaling factor the more sense linear light scaling makes. Personally, I have it generally turned off.

2)Use SoftCubic 70/80 for chroma upscaling look very good and it remove a lot of banding, i wonder if there is a way for obtain the same result with avisynth, maybe it can replace gradfun3 for lower bitrate encoding.

Edit: Sorry i didn't notice than it remove banding with any resize, anyway the "debanding" result look interesting to me.
madVR does not really "deband". What you're seeing may be a result of madVR's high bitdepth processing with a final dithering pass. This makes sure that no additional banding is added to the source. If you find that SoftCubic chroma upsampling helps image quality, you can suggest this to the AviSynth developer. It's a normal cubic kernel, just with slightly different parameters.

So I do here. :)

I guess madVR doesn't apply a downsampling on the OSD. The background "box" looks aliased too (pixel stairs around the border).
madVR currently does not allow you to specify OSD size or font. I might add such features into a future version. But for now my priority is making madVR feature complete first. Cosmetical things like changing OSD looks is pretty low on my priority list right now. You'll have to wait a while until I get to these things, I'm sorry. I hope you'll agree that things like adding post processing shader support, DVD support, DXVA deinterlacing etc are much more important things compared to changing OSD font sizes... :)

I'm not getting this message anymore. Was it removed or am I just staying in Windowed mode when I go to full screen now? I used to see it but I haven't seen it in either Zoom Player or MPC-HC since v 0.77
It was not removed. If you don't get the message then probably you have exclusive mode disabled accidently? Or maybe it stopped working for you? You can check via Ctrl+J. It tells you whether madVR is in windowed or exclusive mode.

I much prefer the MPC-HC OSD. Calibri size 20. Clean, clear, beautiful. I wish madVR OSD was exactly like the MPC one. Just my opinion though. I know some people think the madVR OSD looks better.
It's all a matter of taste, I guess. So in the end things like this may have to be customizable. But for now, I've more important things to do.

BTW, deinterlacing cannot work on XPS3 I guess? DXVA2 deinterlacing in LAVVideo gives instant BSOD's, so I didn't venture trying :o
It works perfectly fine with my HD 6850 and HD 4770 on XPSP3. Haven't tested NVidia on XPSP3 yet, but in theory it should work, too. LAVVideo does not deinterlace itself (unless you're using CUVID). Normally the renderer does the deinterlacing. CUVID is the exception.

So did you use CUVID? Or did you use software decoding?

It might be useful to cross test with EVR. Does DXVA2 deinterlacing work when using EVR on your PC? This only applies if you don't use CUVID.

Hi Madshi,

Could you please check this log file: http://www.mediafire.com/?c5g5035cq4thwbp

MadVR is dropping crazy amounts of frames when playing index.bdmv or mpls files. Playing an m2ts directly or an mkv plays perfectly.
According to the log file, the splitter outputs really bad timestamps. Often multiple frames get exactly the same timestamp. That's a splitter problem.

[madshi]

madVR v0.79 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

* modified deinterlacing logic to save GPU RAM
* added resource manager to save GPU RAM and a little bit of GPU performance
* added information about used / total GPU RAM to debug OSD (Ctrl+J)
* added new options to choose decoder and GPU queue sizes
* added automatic adjustment of queue sizes, based on GPU RAM size
* corrected queue sizes with deinterlacing turned on (size 1 too high in v0.78)
* improved deinterlacing quality at the start of playback and after seeks
* improved the way madVR calls DXVA2 (now more similar to EVR)
* moved some eventually CPU intensive code from render to separate thread
* optimized performance of DXVA2->PixelShader texture conversion for some GPUs
* optimized internal libav decoder format conversion logic
* movie frame rate overwrite via file name now also set deinterlacing on/off
* option "perform deinterlacing in separate thread" is now "on" by default
* MPC-HC OSD text "Pausa" is now blocked (to avoid disappearing subtitles)
* fixed: source cropping (J.River MC) could result in corrupted chroma channel
* fixed: IMediaSample allocator wasn't fit for decoder queue size of 12 frames

[mr.duck]

Deinterlacing is now smooth!!

[Gser]

Deinterlacing is now smooth!!
AWESOME! Isn't it. Madshi is a genius.

[Xaurus]

madshi,

Thank you so much for 0.79. I will install it tomorrow in my HTPC box.

PS: I really hope you have written down my request of adding a function that displays the refresh rate or the CTRL-J screen automatically only for a limited time when a video is opened (like 10 seconds). I am sometimes paranoid so I want to keep the refresh rate where it should be. ;)

[golagoda]

Thanks so much for 0.79, will test it out :)

[Thunderbolt8]

deinterlacing is also better here now. cant say if perfectly smooth yet, but Ill report back in case I encounter problems. at least the 2 movies Ive tested so far played back fine without frame drops.

anyway, that change of brightness in exclusive mode when activating deinterlacing is still there.

and, not sure whether I observed this correctly, at least in one movie when activating deinterlacing the movements of people sometimes appear to be a bit less smooth compared to when deinterlacing is deactivated (the video itself plays smooth though). not sure whether this is normal or why this is like that.

edit: that brightness shift seems to be related to the disable desktop composition box. when unticked, the change of brightness or colour is only very minor (probably thats normal?) but when ticked, then it really looks like a PC -> TV levels change. I'd like to be able to have that box ticked, because performance increases a little that way.

[Gser]

deinterlacing is also better here now. cant say if perfectly smooth yet, but Ill report back in case I encounter problems.

anyway, that change of brightness in exclusive mode when activating deinterlacing is still there.

and, not sure whether I observed this correctly, at least in one movie when activating deinterlacing the movements of people sometimes appear to be a bit less smooth compared to when deinterlacing is deactivated (the video itself plays smooth though). not sure whether this is normal or why this is like that.Bobbed deinterlacing works perfectly for me but that does not mean that the deinterlacing methods provided by the GPU (which DXVA deinterlacing uses) are. One should expect to see some bob flickering and weaving artifacts once in a while depending on the complexity of the video (especially high motion parts where the difference between fields is large hence complicating the interpolation).

[Thunderbolt8]

hm so whats the difference here when it works perfectly for you, but apparently not (entirely perfectly) for me? a newer graphic card generation?

[Gser]

hm so whats the difference here when it works perfectly for you, but apparently not (entirely perfectly) for me? a newer graphic card generation?

A clip of the material would help. Deinterlacing methods have not changed in many years. I'm using amd 5870. Basically the renderer only commands the GPU to deinterlace the material, the problem being before that MadVR did not for some reason understand bobbing hence only showed duplicates.

[TheShadowRunner]

hi madshi, whatever you did in this mrduckPankov build corrected this bug:
Originally Posted by TheShadowRunner
Here is a debug log. I start playing a video, minimize the player for 15 seconds, then bring it back up.
When bringing it back up, I clearly see the video going uber fast to catch up with the audio.

Did you say that you were using ZoomPlayer? I don't remember that. I tried to reproduce with MPC-HC. Anyway, the problem occurs with ZoomPlayer, but not with MPC-HC. Don't know why, will investigate...

Hi madshi, sadly this bug is back with 0.79 final. (1)

2. A small cosmetic bug : the settings window name changes from "madVR settings" to "pure power curve" when "color & gamma" page is selected. But it never goes back to being "madVR settings" when other settings page are selected afterwards.

3. The ZP/slow paint/freeze on seek bug after madVR frequency switch is still there.

[pankov]

Both the quality and the GPU Load are back to v0.78 state
madshi,
you are THE MAN
;)
with v0.79 you've managed to keep (or even improve for some) the quality and still lower the GPU Load by 3-4%. Now it's 75-76% with the same 1080i60 sample that was using 79-80% before.
:thanks: