madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[StinDaWg]

I tried out the new AMD 14.12 drivers and unfortunately NNEDI3 performance is still poor compared to 13.12.

Here are my stats:
HD 7850 overclocked to 1050/1350
LAV software decoding
PCI-E 2.0x16
Windows 8.1

First number is with 13.12, second is 14.12

720p60->1080p60 16 neurons
13ms 77% gpu
15.5ms 88% gpu (dropped frames)

720p23->1080p23 32 neurons
22ms 49% gpu
32ms 58% gpu

[QBhd]

Yeah, I have tried every driver and beta driver since 13.12 and none of them perform as well as 13.12 for madVR... My setup is designed to easily see this, since I don't care about power consumption or pushing the GPU to it's max... Plop in a new driver and load a 720p30 file (current profile pushes GPU over 90%) and look for dropped frames. Every driver since 13.12 fails this test... serious pain in the a$$ to roll back every test, but I do it for the benefit of you guys :)

Win 8.1
ASUS Radeon R9 270X DirectCU II TOP (1120/1400)
AMD FX-8350
PCI-e 2.0 X16
LAV SW Decoding

QB

[Vyral]

@Qaq
Was it something like this :
http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/

I saw in my registry that a lot of things were still enable while it is disable in CCC. However, madVR should bypass all these settings, right ?

[Qaq]

Was it something like this :
http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/Right. Thanks for this link, I hope more people will pay attention to video driver settings now.I saw in my registry that a lot of things were still enable while it is disable in CCC. However, madVR should bypass all these settings, right ?madshi claimed madVR was designed to bypass some algorithms, but he also adviced to disable some manually in the CCC, IIRC. That said, you never know for sure that GPU works for madVR needs only. Needless to say these days we need all the GPU power for the things like NNEDI, ED, SM etc.

[Vyral]

Right. Thanks for this link, I hope more people will pay attention to video driver settings now.

I'm trying to find another link because the webpage I linked is too old and the registry setting presented don't exist anymore.

[Damien147]

Can you give a list of registry key/value names? That should be helpful for everyone interested in tweaking.

I know that for quality it can help to disable Fleshtone_NA and DynamicContrast_NA.

http://s23.postimg.org/q8lrejsbv/Capture.png

[ThurstonX]

http://s23.postimg.org/q8lrejsbv/Capture.png

Thanks! :)

[QBhd]

From look at those reg entries... they seem to just enable/disable the feature in CCC, not actually change any of the settings. Personally I like to see those sliders and checkboxes and make sure they are set the way I like.

As said many times... most, if not all of those settings have zero affect on madVR.

QB

[clsid]

Those settings should only have effect if madVR uses any DXVA processing (not to be confused with DXVA decoding).

You can also edit the settings with DXVA Checker. There is a "Video Acceleration Settings" option in the menu (right bottom corner) if you have a AMD GPU.

@Damien147
The binary values probably also need to be set to the string "0"? (= 00 00 00 00)

[Damien147]

Those settings should only have effect if madVR uses any DXVA processing (not to be confused with DXVA decoding).

Correct,here's a pic with default values of the above(all enabled) +demo mode http://s28.postimg.org/oyc9wtt3x/Capture1.png (madvr set to upscale with dxva2)


@Damien147
The binary values probably also need to be set to the string "0"? (= 00 00 00 00)

No need to change anything else for those.Personally I've been doing it like that cause I ain't got a video tab in ccc:confused:(hd 4850 and the last ccc for me was 13.9)

[shaolin95]

Guys I am getting a GTX 750 to upgrade from a GTX450 as somehow my W1070 projector was not detecting the signal from the 450...weird issue. In any case, I wanted a 750 due to it having the latest VP6 stuff but I keep reading so many conflicting information about 750 being the best and others saying IQ is not as good as X card from AMD etc...
For my purpose, which is strictly Bluray 2D and 3D playing, is the 750 the one that gives me the best IQ with madvr?
Thanks!

[leeperry]

is the 750 the one that gives me the best IQ with madvr?
this question is against the forum rules, I'd suggest comparing them and deciding for yourself :)

[Razoola]

In case you guys don't know the new Nvidia beta drivers (347.09) finally add an option over HDMI connections to select between full or limited range RGB. No longer any need to use a registry tool or inf patching.

[shaolin95]

this question is against the forum rules, I'd suggest comparing them and deciding for yourself :)
Ok let me rephrase it, from a GTS450 to a GTX750Ti, should I expect an IQ improvement if I only use it for Bluray 2D and 3D with madVR?
Thanks!

[baii]

Ok let me rephrase it, from a GTS450 to a GTX750Ti, should I expect an IQ improvement if I only use it for Bluray 2D and 3D with madVR?
Thanks!
Depends on what options you gonna use,gts450 may not even handle color 3dlut and smooth motion, these two are what I considered major improvements.

Does 3d work in madvr now?

Sent from my 306SH

[shaolin95]

Depends on what options you gonna use,gts450 may not even handle color 3dlut and smooth motion, these two are what I considered major improvements.

Does 3d work in madvr now?

Sent from my 306SH

Good question. I was using powerdvd for 3d before so I will find out soon ☺

[ebiel]

I hope I am not off-topic with this question.

I am trying to submit a madVR bug to the bug tracker at http://madvr.bugs.madshi.net/ but the sign-up is not working. I do not receive a confirmation email, I tried with two different email addresses. I also notified madshi by email about this problem, but did not get an answer.

So, anyone knows how to submit a bug or how to reach madshi to let him know about the non-working sign-up of the bug tracker?

[huhn]

I hope I am not off-topic with this question.

I am trying to submit a madVR bug to the bug tracker at http://madvr.bugs.madshi.net/ but the sign-up is not working. I do not receive a confirmation email, I tried with two different email addresses. I also notified madshi by email about this problem, but did not get an answer.

So, anyone knows how to submit a bug or how to reach madshi to let him know about the non-working sign-up of the bug tracker?

if this issue still exist and you can't report it, you could provide us informations so we can try to reproduce your issue and report it for you.
not an ideal way to do but better than nothing.

[Neet009]

madVR version 0.87.11
I want to use HCFR(version 3.1.6) and madTPG to make a display measure, but it showing this message to me：
http://i.imgur.com/XoaDYL2.png
http://i.imgur.com/mIOIgDW.png

I confirmed that madVR had been installed. madVR v0.87.10 doesn't have this issue and works well with HCFR.

[MSL_DK]

madVR version 0.87.11
I want to use HCFR(version 3.1.6) and madTPG to make a display measure, but it showing this message to me：
http://i.imgur.com/XoaDYL2.png
http://i.imgur.com/mIOIgDW.png

I confirmed that madVR had been installed. madVR v0.87.10 doesn't have this issue and works well with HCFR.

It is not madVRs fault. HCFR is not updated to version 0.87.11

[yok833]

Dear Santa Claus Madshi,

We have all been very nice this year... so will you bring us presents for christmas ?? :) :)

[BetA13]

hy there,

i dont know whats happening, but i think since i installed teh newest Nvidia Driver i have artefacts while playing with madvr..

Driver version: 347.09 (gtx670)

doesnt happen with other renderer. im clueless about now, tried different settings, downclocked my GPU, etc..
anyone also has this? its hard to get an pic of it..
ill try and add it later..

i hope someone can help me, this drivers me crazy. its so obvious i cant watch movies with madvr now, and teh quality loss without it, is, well, aaarrgh.....

greetz

edit:

got some screens....
this happens about 2 - 3 times per second, sometimes more , sometimes less, but its pretty disturbing..

http://s16.postimg.org/5o66gnkht/mpc_hc_2014_12_21_05_22_10_561.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/5o66gnkht/) http://s16.postimg.org/9xbepqh6p/mpc_hc_2014_12_21_05_22_13_108.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/9xbepqh6p/) http://s16.postimg.org/ohshkkc5d/mpc_hc_2014_12_21_05_22_21_671.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/ohshkkc5d/)

greetz :(

edit:

happens on every source material..mp4, h264, xvid, etc..
tested a bit with MPDN PLayer since it uses a bit of madvr, but no artefacts there..

im totally at a loss why this is happening..

[Zachs]

edit:

happens on every source material..mp4, h264, xvid, etc..
tested a bit with MPDN PLayer since it uses a bit of madvr, but no artefacts there..

im totally at a loss why this is happening..

Actually MPDN doesn't use anything from madvr.

[Arm3nian]

Does Image Doubling work in both horizontal and vertical directions? For example watching a 1080 source on a 4k screen, and doubling luma resolution it will go from 1920 > 3840 and 1080 > 2160. Thanks

[nevcairiel]

Does Image Doubling work in both horizontal and vertical directions? For example watching a 1080 source on a 4k screen, and doubling luma resolution it will go from 1920 > 3840 and 1080 > 2160. Thanks

Yes, it'll double in both directions.

[digitech]

Anyone have recommended settings for sd content using neddi, i have no clue what combination to use, 90% of my sd content is animation and i love to use SVP with it, im on nvidia gtx 760, Intel i5 4670k, 16 gb ram, win7

[Plutotype]

Hi folks,
It looks like my brand new R9 285 doesnt like the old driver 13.12 (NNEDI best ). The drive itself installs fine, but HDMI audio driver fails. I tried to install it on top using 14.12, but failed again.
Does anyone have R9 285 and is successfully installed 13.12 driver? Maybe there is a problem within my setup.

Thanks

[flashmozzg]

Hi folks,
It looks like my brand new R9 285 doesnt like the old driver 13.12 (NNEDI best ). The drive itself installs fine, but HDMI audio driver fails. I tried to install it on top using 14.12, but failed again.
Does anyone have R9 285 and is successfully installed 13.12 driver? Maybe there is a problem within my setup.

Thanks

285 came out after 13.12 so it wouldn't be the best choice.

[a8213711]

I have a problem: my tv (Samsung) doesn't set the appropriate refresh rate (25Hz) even if supports it.
I have in MadVR
http://i58.tinypic.com/dqr89e.jpg
and I tryied with 2 different files:
http://i60.tinypic.com/n4ws4i.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/28ujwbm.jpg
- one put the tag Display on 59.94, infact the tv goes on 59Hz
- the other shows Display on 50, tv on 50Hz.
in control panel there are:
http://i61.tinypic.com/259lg1l.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/10ifk8w.jpg
Any tips?
Also in the last image it isn't shown I support 25 29 30 (int) too, should I add in MadVR all the modes my PC can support and rely to its decision?
After I took these screen I added in MadVr 1080p29 and 1080p30 too, and then tried 2 files:
- 30fps -> 60Hz
- 29.9fps -> 59.9Hz

[seiyafan]

Is MPDN an alternative to madVR? What's the difference between the two?

[Asmodian]

MPDN (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=171120) is a .NET based video player. It is similar to madVR only in that it uses the GPU to do high quality video rendering. It is not DirectShow based and its renderer cannot be used outside MPDN.

There are technological similarities so ideas implemented in MPDN can probably be implemented in madVR if they interest madshi. Recently Zachs has implemented an impressive but complex "Render Script" system for advanced shaders which hopefully can help inform more advanced shaders in madVR.

madshi also gave Zachs hints during development. :)

[zerowalker]

What settings should i change to make it as fast as possible when seeking?
That's the only thing that frustrates me, EVR is perfect except for some things that's useful (smooth motion for example).

I understand there is no way to make it as EVR without taking away everything, but you get the idea:)
Tried some things myself, buffer, frames, queue. But can't seem to find any difference.

[Asmodian]

Simply turn off "delay playback start after seeking, too" under "delay playback start until render queue is full". With that off madVR is as fast as EVR when seeking, at least on my systems.

[zerowalker]

None of those "delay" has been checked.
The difference is huge on my System, and i got a pretty fast one, i5 760 4ghz.
EVR is super fast, i can click anywhere and it will play there imediatly on Audio, whgile Video get's delayed depending on Decoding.
MadVR everything get's delayed, and by a much larger margin, it depends on the scenes though.

[e-t172]

Try reducing the number of frames to be presented in advance, and the queue sizes as well.

[zerowalker]

Done that before (and now), i am guessing this is as fast as it goes.

[Asmodian]

Try reducing the number of frames to be presented in advance, and the queue sizes as well.

Without the "delay" options checked the queue sizes have no effect on seeking delays. madVR does not wait for them to fill but presents the first frame as soon as it is available.

None of those "delay" has been checked.
The difference is huge on my System, and i got a pretty fast one, i5 760 4ghz.
EVR is super fast, i can click anywhere and it will play there imediatly on Audio, whgile Video get's delayed depending on Decoding.
MadVR everything get's delayed, and by a much larger margin, it depends on the scenes though.

madVR mostly runs on the GPU not the CPU. Which GPU do you have? What is your maximum rendering time? I assume you are not using hardware decoders, DXVA deinterlacing, or DXVA resizing?

I have a fast GPU+CPU (Titan+5960X) and seeking while using madVR feels as instant as EVR does.

[zerowalker]

Indeed not using DXVA, though did try, not much of a difference if any.
AMD 6970 is the GPU.

[Ceremony]

I'm in the process of setting up my htpc for madVR. Instead of sticking to a regular player such as mpc, I'd love to switch to a more mediacenter like alternative, such as xbmc/kodi. however, do any of these even work with madVR?

[baii]

Jriver can use madvr, xbmc calling mpc for playback can too?

Sent from my 306SH

[romulous]

Jriver can use madvr, xbmc calling mpc for playback can too?

Indeed, as far as I know, XBMC's internal player does not support madVR, but you can set XBMC to use an external player for media files, and it will be up to that player to work out what to use (so if you set it to use MPC and you have MPC set to use madVR, madVR will be used).

[Ceremony]

Indeed, as far as I know, XBMC's internal player does not support madVR, but you can set XBMC to use an external player for media files, and it will be up to that player to work out what to use (so if you set it to use MPC and you have MPC set to use madVR, madVR will be used).doesnt really work for me, as im looking for a more remote controlled all in one solution. seeking for example would not be possible when doing things like that unfortunately.

[jdl]

doesnt really work for me, as im looking for a more remote controlled all in one solution. seeking for example would not be possible when doing things like that unfortunately.

I use MPC-HC as an external player in Kodi and my remote controls both with no problem.

[a8213711]

I have a problem: my tv (Samsung) doesn't set the appropriate refresh rate (25Hz) even if supports it.
I have in MadVR
http://i58.tinypic.com/dqr89e.jpg
and I tryied with 2 different files:
http://i60.tinypic.com/n4ws4i.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/28ujwbm.jpg
- one put the tag Display on 59.94, infact the tv goes on 59Hz
- the other shows Display on 50, tv on 50Hz.
in control panel there are:
http://i61.tinypic.com/259lg1l.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/10ifk8w.jpg
Any tips?
Also in the last image it isn't shown I support 25 29 30 (int) too, should I add in MadVR all the modes my PC can support and rely to its decision?
After I took these screen I added in MadVr 1080p29 and 1080p30 too, and then tried 2 files:
- 30fps -> 60Hz
- 29.9fps -> 59.9Hz

Any help? :)

[Ceremony]

I use MPC-HC as an external player in Kodi and my remote controls both with no problem.What are you using? Im going with an android smartphone for controlling it.

[6233638]

Any help? :)Use ReClock. (or JRiver VideoClock)
Enable 1080p 24/50/60
Drop 1080p 23/25/30/59.

"1080p 25/30" is actually a 1080i 50/60 output.

[Hprd]

hy there,

i dont know whats happening, but i think since i installed teh newest Nvidia Driver i have artefacts while playing with madvr..

Driver version: 347.09 (gtx670)

doesnt happen with other renderer. im clueless about now, tried different settings, downclocked my GPU, etc..
anyone also has this? its hard to get an pic of it..
ill try and add it later..

i hope someone can help me, this drivers me crazy. its so obvious i cant watch movies with madvr now, and teh quality loss without it, is, well, aaarrgh.....

greetz

edit:

got some screens....
this happens about 2 - 3 times per second, sometimes more , sometimes less, but its pretty disturbing..

http://s16.postimg.org/5o66gnkht/mpc_hc_2014_12_21_05_22_10_561.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/5o66gnkht/) http://s16.postimg.org/9xbepqh6p/mpc_hc_2014_12_21_05_22_13_108.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/9xbepqh6p/) http://s16.postimg.org/ohshkkc5d/mpc_hc_2014_12_21_05_22_21_671.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/ohshkkc5d/)

greetz :(

edit:

happens on every source material..mp4, h264, xvid, etc..
tested a bit with MPDN PLayer since it uses a bit of madvr, but no artefacts there..

im totally at a loss why this is happening..

I get the same thing, but it seems only if nnedi3 is used, either for chroma and/OR image doubling/quadrupling. Looks fine using jinc3 for example for both.

Think I'm going to revert to an older Nvidia driver, as I've never seen this before. Don't see how it's madvr's fault.

EDIT: Reverted to 344.75 WHQL drivers, and everything's perfect again.

[zerowalker]

In an update to the slow seeking i have.

I notice that if the content is MPEG-2 it's fast like EVR, but with H264 it's much slower.
The decoding should be slower of course, but i can't think that it's that much slower as EVR uses the same decoding as MadVR (which is software for me as i don't use DXVA or QS).

[trandoanhung1991]

I have a question with LAV and madVR.

I noticed in LAV, there's already a Random Order Dithering option. Should I disable dithering in madVR?

Same with deinterlacing. I already have Adaptive Deinterlacing enabled in LAV, should I disable it completely in madVR?

What's the difference in quality/performance between them?

[Shiandow]

I noticed in LAV, there's already a Random Order Dithering option. Should I disable dithering in madVR?

You should use MadVR's dithering. Dithering should be done as the very last step. LAV only has dithering for when it needs to convert to a different colour space, but it's generally better to let MadVR handle the conversions.