madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) [Archive] - Page 844

Georgel

25th January 2017, 01:28

Have anyone tried the new option in NV Control Panel "Optimize for Compute Performance"? It is a new option in drivers 378.49, that improves performance in madVR for me. It is just 1ms but it is something.

Haven't tried it yet - but I have a rule of thumb to not update Nvidia drivers until they are proven stable.

isn't it pretty normal that an uncalibrated screen is subpar.

agree.

Of course it would be calibrated...

Usually they do, but quality may be subpar. Unless you do professional graphics work, buying one of those is generally a mistake.

Now this is what I am curious about. Why would it be a mistake to buy one? Heard this line before and never got around it.

these screen doesn't have a BT 709/sRGB mode/gamut mapping feature?
that would be quite sad.

They do have - but the mapping they come with is really poor - they don't even keep black at 0 and white at 255 - they throw everything off.

If you want videos to look good on an AdobeRGB monitor, you need to calibrate it and create a 3DLUT. But anything outside of madVR will still look off - typically oversaturated.

Now... my question is: Oversaturated or they clip? I can probably live with an over saturated image aka what some might call over saturated - I really love strong colors. But I'm not so sure about clipping colors - for example if large portions of color are rendered at max intensity of that color istead of smooth gradients and nuances.

To create the 3DLUT in madVR do we need another software?

huhn

25th January 2017, 01:32

changing a screen from adobe RGB to sRGB isn't supposed to touch black and white what so ever.

of cause both have a white point of D65.

Of course it would be calibrated...
Now... my question is: Oversaturated or they clip? I can probably live with an over saturated image aka what some might call over saturated - I really love strong colors. But I'm not so sure about clipping colors - for example if large portions of color are rendered at max intensity of that color istead of smooth gradients and nuances.
are you sure you know what calibration is?

To create the 3DLUT in madVR do we need another software?

and hardware.

py930828

25th January 2017, 04:40

I have some questions I wish someone can help me.

1. I don't watch anime, but I watch a lot of movies. The source I have are all blueray, so the quality are not bad; however, I see a lot of noise on every single movie, which is really annoying! These is the setting I have.https://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15729&stc=1&d=1485315360
https://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15730&stc=1&d=1485315371

Can anyone give me some advice that what setting do you think is best for me?

ryrynz

25th January 2017, 05:49

Anyone know if the 1050 and the Ti is any faster than the 960 with NNEDI3?

nevcairiel

25th January 2017, 06:25

Now this is what I am curious about. Why would it be a mistake to buy one? Heard this line before and never got around it.

Because a general purpose PC is designed to output sRGB, its the default of your OS and basically any application or game.
If your screen uses a wider gamut, any ordinary applications will look "wrong", in the case of AdobeRGB - oversaturated.

You would need color managed applications to properly use any non-sRGB screen, and outside of browsers and "pro" tools most applications are not color managed. For madVR to be color managed, you would need to calibrate and create a 3DLUT.

So if you don't use any tools that actually benefit from the higher gamut, its not worth it for all the downsides you get. Technically madVR could use it to display more colors, but videos are not made in AdobeRGB.

The same problem exists when you get a Rec.2020 or DCI-P3 Mastering Monitor or TV - you can setup madVR to properly handle the colors, but the majority of windows applications will still look "wrong", so using it on a general purpose system is problematic - but in the case of a TV, its main purpose is likely to be used for video playback, so its not a big problem there.

Georgel

25th January 2017, 10:36

changing a screen from adobe RGB to sRGB isn't supposed to touch black and white what so ever.

of cause both have a white point of D65.

are you sure you know what calibration is?

and hardware.

I think I know (?)

Maybe I have a wrong definition of what calibration is though.

About white and black points - Dell built in a tool for calibration to sRGB and using the built in sRGB profile will also shift the black and white so they aren't as good as while using aRGB.

This is what users have said about it - not my own superstition.

Anyone know if the 1050 and the Ti is any faster than the 960 with NNEDI3?

Are you looking for improvements of more than 5% - 10% or somewhere around this ballpark?

Because a general purpose PC is designed to output sRGB, its the default of your OS and basically any application or game.
If your screen uses a wider gamut, any ordinary applications will look "wrong", in the case of AdobeRGB - oversaturated.

You would need color managed applications to properly use any non-sRGB screen, and outside of browsers and "pro" tools most applications are not color managed. For madVR to be color managed, you would need to calibrate and create a 3DLUT.

So if you don't use any tools that actually benefit from the higher gamut, its not worth it for all the downsides you get. Technically madVR could use it to display more colors, but videos are not made in AdobeRGB.

The same problem exists when you get a Rec.2020 or DCI-P3 Mastering Monitor or TV - you can setup madVR to properly handle the colors, but the majority of windows applications will still look "wrong", so using it on a general purpose system is problematic - but in the case of a TV, its main purpose is likely to be used for video playback, so its not a big problem there.

I like punchy colors - I wasn't necessarily intending of using an aRGB screen for media creation but for consumption - aka watch anime using madVR - thus the question.

One thing I do not understand so far is how saturated will the colors look.

What I mean to ask - there is a difference between colors being saturated, and oversaturated. Oversaturation from what I know is the point where the colors clip to a certain color - where there is no more degree of red for example, but anything over say half red will clip to max red. This is what I want to avoid. If they look punchier and generally good - but there is a difference between different shades - that is not a problem - AMOLED tech does look saturated and usually doesn't really clip colors even though it has aRGB coverage (?)

I am the one asking questions - not answering them - most of those statements are under question and I kindly ask for correcting if I am mistaken about things...

ryrynz

25th January 2017, 11:33

Are you looking for improvements of more than 5% - 10% or somewhere around this ballpark?

I'm aware of the core count and frequency of both and suspect that would be all there is likely in it but I would like to hear from anyone who has actual numbers.

Georgel

25th January 2017, 13:54

I'm aware of the core count and frequency of both and suspect that would be all there is likely in it but I would like to hear from anyone who has actual numbers.

Hm...

I know how it is for laptops since I am yet to enter desktop realms.

For laptops - GTX 1050 ti can be 20-30% better than a 965m thus it is comparable to a 970m or so...

Seemingly the performance in madVR faces an increase, sometime considerable - but in laptops it's problematic to measure - since you have to factor in the noise levels and temperature you're running at constantly - if you want to watch a movie.

Laptops that do offer 1050ti a good cooling solution might be too noisy to use it at full potential for watching movies or anime so you would be left with the option of lowering some settings so it doesn't use 100% of power all the time.

Sorry if I'm not extremely helpful here - tried my best to help you out.

huhn

25th January 2017, 14:09

I think I know (?)

Maybe I have a wrong definition of what calibration is though.
calibration is the process to setup a screen in a way that it is displaying the creators intend. so oversatured colors are unacceptable and mutually exclusive to a calibration.

About white and black points - Dell built in a tool for calibration to sRGB and using the built in sRGB profile will also shift the black and white so they aren't as good as while using aRGB.

This is what users have said about it - not my own superstition.

so now they are not "as good as aRGB" they are off anyway without proper calibration.

if the "user" aren't measuring the colors correctly using hardware you are wasting your time reading stuff like this.
it is not rare that bt 709 colorspace with very warm or warm colors is the most neutral "default" setting.

I like punchy colors - I wasn't necessarily intending of using an aRGB screen for media creation but for consumption - aka watch anime using madVR - thus the question.
so you don't correct color at all?

and a aRGb screen i's a bad choice for this. the aRGB colorspace is for the professional use in programs like photoshop not to watch video content on it.
mostly green is way more saturated and the rest stay pretty close to original. this counts for all colors that need green in it.
no video is using that colorspace.
One thing I do not understand so far is how saturated will the colors look.

What I mean to ask - there is a difference between colors being saturated, and oversaturated. Oversaturation from what I know is the point where the colors clip to a certain color - where there is no more degree of red for example, but anything over say half red will clip to max red. This is what I want to avoid. If they look punchier and generally good - but there is a difference between different shades - that is not a problem - AMOLED tech does look saturated and usually doesn't really clip colors even though it has aRGB coverage (?)

I am the one asking questions - not answering them - most of those statements are under question and I kindly ask for correcting if I am mistaken about things...

oversaturation doesn't mean anything is clipped. clipping is a processing issue in the screen image processor. the display technology has nothing to do with this. the display

even with 60% sRGB you don't have to clipp colors they can't be displayed correct but that's it. there are multiply ways to fix a screen with this one way would be clipping.)
madVR doesn't support aRGB output(like i said before a aRGB screen isn't the best choice to watch videos to say it friendly).
this may change if you are going to professionally calibrate the screen using a 3D LUT.

you can get a proper TV for nearly the same price.
BTW. this is the madVR thread not a screen guide :-). other not madVR specific question are answer on this forum too.

Georgel

25th January 2017, 15:51

calibration is the process to setup a screen in a way that it is displaying the creators intend. so oversatured colors are unacceptable and mutually exclusive to a calibration.

so now they are not "as good as aRGB" they are off anyway without proper calibration.

if the "user" aren't measuring the colors correctly using hardware you are wasting your time reading stuff like this.
it is not rare that bt 709 colorspace with very warm or warm colors is the most neutral "default" setting.

so you don't correct color at all?

and a aRGb screen i's a bad choice for this. the aRGB colorspace is for the professional use in programs like photoshop not to watch video content on it.
mostly green is way more saturated and the rest stay pretty close to original. this counts for all colors that need green in it.
no video is using that colorspace.

oversaturation doesn't mean anything is clipped. clipping is a processing issue in the screen image processor. the display technology has nothing to do with this. the display

even with 60% sRGB you don't have to clipp colors they can't be displayed correct but that's it. there are multiply ways to fix a screen with this one way would be clipping.)
madVR doesn't support aRGB output(like i said before a aRGB screen isn't the best choice to watch videos to say it friendly).
this may change if you are going to professionally calibrate the screen using a 3D LUT.

you can get a proper TV for nearly the same price.
BTW. this is the madVR thread not a screen guide :-). other not madVR specific question are answer on this forum too.

I will leave non madVR topics out then!

I got the idea now - of what is happening and why!

Thank you for your help!

Regarding my latest experiments with madVR, it seems like I get the best results for me by not using the absolute maxxed out settings I can, but rather using a conservatory set of setting. Applying just the right amount seems the key for the best image :)

Ver Greeneyes

25th January 2017, 16:15

Have anyone tried the new option in NV Control Panel "Optimize for Compute Performance"? It is a new option in drivers 378.49, that improves performance in madVR for me. It is just 1ms but it is something.
Where can I find that in the control panel? I installed 378.59 on my laptop, which has a GTX 1060, but I don't see that option in the Manage 3D Settings list.

Edit: Hmm, people saying it only exists for Maxwell cards. I'll install the drivers for my desktop's GTX 970 in a bit and see if it's there.

Edit2: Yep, activated it on my GTX 970 for the Media Player Classic profile (after extending said profile to cover the 64-bit MPC-HC as well). Thanks for the tip! I wonder if Pascal cards just don't need it, or if it hasn't been implemented yet.

fedpul

25th January 2017, 19:03

Maybe it is not needed with Pascal. It is in fact better at computing than Maxwell.

Enviado desde mi MI 4LTE mediante Tapatalk

CruNcher

25th January 2017, 20:44

It has a higher efficient (improved) Hardware Power Supply Design with less interferences and more stable overall.

YGPMOLE

25th January 2017, 21:58

Hi Everybody!

I'm using MPC-BE + LAV Filters + SVP + FFDShow + ReClock + madVR (0.91.5) with an Ati Radeon RX 480 Nitro and drivers output RGB 4.4:4 Full on Windows 10 Pro at 1920x1080 @ 60Hz.

If I set all the video chain to output at RGB32, everything works fine and Reclock says that the video stream is RGB32 at 60.000 fps; but I assume that FFDShow makes a RGB32 -> YV12 -> RGB32 conversion, because if I leave just the RGB32 input color space in the Avisynth tab in FFDShow, I got an error that indicates that Avisynth needs planar color space. If I check the YV12 box also, everything works again.

So (to avoid unnecessary/unwanted conversion), I set all the chain in YV12, assuming that the final conversion it's made by madVR (at maximm quality) due to the driver RGB 4:4:4 setting: am I right?

If yes, why in this case ReClock says that the input stream is YV12? Maybe because madVR works after the audio/video synchronization made by Reclock?

Sorry for my bad english.

huhn

25th January 2017, 22:01

i'm not 100% sure what your real problem is but does it work with default lavfilter settings?
if yes use them!

ryrynz

25th January 2017, 22:12

Have anyone tried the new option in NV Control Panel "Optimize for Compute Performance"? It is a new option in drivers 378.49, that improves performance in madVR for me. It is just 1ms but it is something.

I didn't gain really anything with it enabled, but if I use D3D11 and drop to windowed mode on my 960 there's a whole bunch of blocky corruption.
Disabling it and restarting the PC resolves it. If you're going to test this feature I'd recommend restarting the PC each time you change the option.

Pat357

25th January 2017, 22:27

I just switched the card, nothing more. No software or hardware changes besides the graphics driver of course. I put the old card back in and all problems are gone. So it's the card.

It could be something on your system that is somehow triggered by the card.
If you really want to be sure, find another PC to put the card in.

If that PC also shows a slow clock, it's the card.
The only way to be sure.

nevcairiel

25th January 2017, 22:43

Anyone know if the 1050 and the Ti is any faster than the 960 with NNEDI3?

The Ti is slightly faster then a 960, but not to any levels that would be worth upgrading to - but if you're buying new and deciding which to get, I would favor the 1050Ti, the non-Ti is slower.

Pat357

26th January 2017, 00:55

I'm using MPC-BE + LAV Filters + SVP + FFDShow + ReClock + madVR (0.91.5) with an Ati Radeon RX 480 Nitro and drivers output RGB 4.4:4 Full on Windows 10 Pro at 1920x1080 @ 60Hz.
.....
I got an error that indicates that Avisynth needs planar color space. If I check the YV12 box also, everything works again.
This is normal, SVP's Avisynth-script supposes YV12 input unless otherwise specified or add a ConvertTo(YV12) in begin of the script.
So (to avoid unnecessary/unwanted conversion), I set all the chain in YV12, assuming that the final conversion it's made by MadVR (at maximum quality) due to the driver RGB 4:4:4 setting: am I right?
Right : if the whole chain is YV12, MadVR will convert this with HQ to RGB.
If yes, why in this case ReClock says that the input stream is YV12? Maybe because madVR works after the audio/video synchronization made by Reclock?
No, the renderer is always the last step, ie MadVR in this case.
If all is YV12 (except after MadVR->display of course), it's to be expected that Reclock reports YV12 ;-)

adhara

26th January 2017, 10:14

Hi,

I upgraded my MadVr version to 0.91.5.
Looks like image doubling/quadrupling settings disapeared

I'd like to set up my configuration like that:

Chroma: NGU high quality
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Double Luma: 2.0x or greater - NGU very high quality
Double Chroma: Off
Upscaling refinement: soften edges (1)
Artifact removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Artifact removal - Deringing: Off
Image enhancements: Off
Dithering: Error Diffusion 2

How to activate double luma / chroma with the latest Madvr version ?

Regards.

huhn

26th January 2017, 12:11

fedpul

26th January 2017, 13:02

I didn't gain really anything with it enabled, but if I use D3D11 and drop to windowed mode on my 960 there's a whole bunch of blocky corruption.
Disabling it and restarting the PC resolves it. If you're going to test this feature I'd recommend restarting the PC each time you change the option.

Hi ryrynz, please try using D3D9. I can't even use D3D11 with my 970, it gives me black screens no matter what settings I choose. D3D11 works better with AMD.

ryrynz

26th January 2017, 13:05

Hi ryrynz, please try using D3D9.

That's exactly what I'm saying, D3D9 was fine.

I can't even use D3D11 with my 970, it gives me black screens no matter what settings I choose. D3D11 works better with AMD.

I have zero issues with D3D11 on my 960. I wouldn't bother with this setting anyway, like I said, it gives me no real result.

adhara

26th January 2017, 16:07

go to image upscaling and select NGU then select very high in the drop down menu.
for chroma quality select normal.

at them moment madVR is super sampling often with no real control over it you need profiles to make sure it is only doing it for scaling 2x or high.

if the source needs more than 2x scaling it may super sample no matter what. i personally don't know a way to stop super sampling 720p to UHD or 480p DVD to 1080p with NGU medium or higher.

Thanks ! That really strange we are not able to set up image doubling/quadrupling easily... This is a big regression.

@Warner306 >> Your user guide helped me a lot several times. Could you please update it according the new madvr version ?

chapter "Display: 3840 x 2160p" (maybe some others as lot of things were been modified.

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=259188&pid=2238958#pid2238958

huhn

26th January 2017, 16:41

this gets changed again in the an upcomming version.

Warner306

26th January 2017, 20:34

Thanks ! That really strange we are not able to set up image doubling/quadrupling easily... This is a big regression.

@Warner306 >> Your user guide helped me a lot several times. Could you please update it according the new madvr version ?

chapter "Display: 3840 x 2160p" (maybe some others as lot of things were been modified.

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=259188&pid=2238958#pid2238958

I won't update any support info until the design of the settings dialog is stable and not subject to change. Too much editing.

YGPMOLE

27th January 2017, 02:50

If all is YV12 (except after MadVR->display of course), it's to be expected that Reclock reports YV12 ;-)

This means that I made the right settings: with all the chain to YV12 I got no unnecessary convertions and the maximum quality in RBG output!

Thank you, Pat357!

jameshendricks1969

27th January 2017, 03:07

baii

27th January 2017, 03:28

What is the difference hdr -> sdr via shader math or 3dlut? and how to make such 3dlut?

jameshendricks1969

27th January 2017, 04:19

I often experience tons of frames being dropped when subtitles are on and there's panning shots with the latest (and previous versions of) MadVR in MPC-HC. There's no frames dropped when subtitles are disabled. This happens regardless if xysubfilter, xy-vsfilter or neither is installed. Does anyone know exactly what's occurring here and is there a fix?

Ooh. I feel dumb now. xysubfilter wasn't working right because I had the x64 version installed with the x86 version of MPC-HC, and I had MPC-HC's built-in subtitle renderer enabled. Installed xysubfilter x86, disabled MPC's built-in subtitle renderer, problem solved.

adhara

27th January 2017, 08:25

Guys,

Did you experience issues on video with the latest Madvr versions and Jriver on Windows 10 Pro x64 ?
FSE and 10 bits output don't work for me (stick at D3D11 windowed (8 bits)).

I opened a thread on the Jriver forum with screenshoots

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,109128.0.html

huhn

27th January 2017, 22:51

press control+alt+shift+F12

edit: rip context

ausvette

28th January 2017, 04:56

How do I setup a profile rule for 3d?

I'm playing back iso's and I tried filename="*.iso" but that didn't work.

Thanks!

Q-the-STORM

28th January 2017, 05:01

How do I setup a profile rule for 3d?

I'm playing back iso's and I tried filename="*.iso" but that didn't work.

Thanks!

You're overthinking things....
you just need
if (3D)

ausvette

28th January 2017, 12:53

You're overthinking things....
you just need
if (3D)

Perfect, thankyou!

BluesFanUK

29th January 2017, 01:09

Ok i'm stumped on this one. Whenever I play some 1080 WMV videos and I fast forward or rewind the video, it stutters for about three or four seconds, then resumes play, and in that stutter time frame it is not dropping any frames. It never used to happen.

I've lowered all the settings in MadVR for 1080 just to make sure i'm not over taxing my 980ti, not fixed it.

Any idea what's causing it?

The audio keeps playing, but the video stutters for a few seconds at the same time, i've no idea what the clock deviation means but it disappears then has a huge percentage when it comes back.

Just an FYI - my PC is 5820K, 16GB RAM, 980ti, latest version of Windows 10 if that helps.

Arm3nian

29th January 2017, 05:35

Anyone know why the render queue stays at 7-8 for me until I go exclusive mode? Then it jumps to 23-24/24, and rendering time drops by 3-5ms.

jkauff

29th January 2017, 14:59

Anyone know why the render queue stays at 7-8 for me until I go exclusive mode? Then it jumps to 23-24/24, and rendering time drops by 3-5ms.
Sounds like good design logic to me. Keep stress on the GPU low when a large queue isn't needed, then adjust according to need.

BluesFanUK

29th January 2017, 15:26

Solved my problem! (I think)

Couple posts up - Noticed certain videos were having this ridiculous stutter when I clicked rewind/forward. The audio played on but caused a major clock deviation, so the video stuttered for three or four seconds to match up.

I tried in both PotPlayer and MPC-HC and had the same issue, ruled out the video player. Turned off MadVR and the same videos paused themselves for a few seconds before resuming. Inspecting the properties I noticed both of them had the WMA Pro audio codec. Bit of google and found this:

http://i.imgur.com/ZPKyduJ.jpg

I'm not sure this does, but I selected that filter in MPC-HC, blocked it, and the video now fast forwards/rewinds normally with MadVR as the video renderer. I'd welcome any explanation as to what happened there or if that option will cause problems further down the line. Cheers. :D

EDIT: Thinking about it could that just be a conflicting issue with LAV Audio? Didn't even know I had that installed.

Asmodian

29th January 2017, 18:32

That is Microsoft's WMAudio Decoder, it comes with Windows. There is nothing wrong with blocking it in you media player.

It is amazing how little MS invests in stable media playback.

Animus120

29th January 2017, 21:27

Is anyone having problem with subtitle not showing in screenshot?
I've been using madVR 0.89.6 + xysubfilter beta2 for quite sometime and I tried updating madVR to the latest + update xysubfilter to beta3 but for some reason when I take screenshot the subtitle doesn't show up in the screenshot.

But when I tried to use xysubfilter beta2 the subtitle show up again on screenshot but madVR keep giving me notification that xysubfilter version is outdated everytime I open a video.

Any help?

sneaker_ger

29th January 2017, 21:30

https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1638448&postcount=19730
Does it help?

Animus120

29th January 2017, 21:52

https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1638448&postcount=19730
Does it help?

Yep I've been using that setting in my madvr + xysubfilter beta2 forever and tried it in beta3 and still no subtitle so I don't know why. That's why I came here

sneaker_ger

29th January 2017, 22:10

"that setting"? The posts concerns more than a single setting. Also read the quote.

If it still doesn't work: sample please.

Animus120

29th January 2017, 22:45

"that setting"? The posts concerns more than a single setting. Also read the quote.

If it still doesn't work: sample please.

I mean I already know about the link that you give to me and that fixed the problem when I used madVR 0.89.6+xysubfilter beta2.

But when I updated to the latest madVR+xysubfilter beta3 the screenshot that I take doesn't show subtitle at all, yet when I stay on the latest madVR but use the xysubfilter beta2 again the subtitle show up in the screenshot.

I already make sure I use the 64 bit version too so I don't know what went wrong. I don't know what you mean by sample though, like screenshot of my setting?

sneaker_ger

29th January 2017, 23:05

Animus120

29th January 2017, 23:27

(A part) of the file you are trying to play and make a screenshot of.

That said I did a short test and despite having XySubFilter set to use the original video size it doesn't work when not using 100% zoom which would contradict the quote. It might be a regression, then. Are you not using 100% zoom or is the file anamorphic?

I'm just watching anime mostly nothing too advanced so I'm pretty sure it's not anamorphic. I already use original video size on XySubFilter beta3 and 100% zoom just now to take this screenshot and still no subtitle shows up on screenshot even though it show up just fine while watching the video.

I'm not exactly sure why this happens though, I tried going back using XySubFilter beta2 again and the subtitle show up but I got the annoying "XySubFilter is outdated" message everytime I start opening a video.

http://i.imgur.com/ocXOdI9.jpg