madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[nevcairiel]

This got my attention. Im using MPC-HC and Im scaling fonts to 125% via the 'Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Fonts' Change font size setting in Windows 7. Is Windows now first scaling my video, instead of madVR?

No, MPC-HC ignores Windows scaling settings (and in recent nightly builds also when using multiple monitors with different scaling values). Well, at least it does so on Windows 8 and 10, I never really tested on 7.

Other players may not, however.

[ashlar42]

madshi, is the black bars detection potentially useful in order to have xySubFilter subtitles rendering in the black bars area? For the future, I mean. :)

[Manni]

What happens if you seek into the middle of the movie right at the start? Does detection then work as fast as with the other movies you tested?

Same here: If you seek into a bright scene, does detection work then, after maybe max 40 seconds or so? In any case, a 1 minute sample from Lawrence would be great.

Detection in The Notebook works fine if I jump to a brighter part (instant).

Detection in LOA takes about 6sec if I jump to a brighter part.

I have just emailed you links to some 1mn clips of these.

Let me know if you need anything else.

[baii]

roll back from win10 driver to amd 14.12 fix my windowed mode issues.

[jameshendricks1969]

MadVR (with MPC-HC) suddenly started refusing to go into exclusive mode for me yesterday. No changes I've made to my PC resulted in this, as far as I'm aware of. It just seemed to start happening by itself.

It doesn't matter if I set it to automatic exclusive mode or not, it simply won't go into exclusive mode. I can set enable exclusive mode and disable exclusive mode to hotkeys and press them while a video is running and nothing changes.

I have tried the following to fix this, to no avail: ran the reset MadVR settings to default .bat, ran the uninstall MadVR .bat, uninstalled MPC-HC and uninstalled MPC-HC settings, upgraded AMD video drivers, restarted computer, reinstalled MPC-HC, reinstalled MadVR. Still no luck. No fullscreen seek bar, no exclusive mode.

http://www.solidfiles.com/d/4959326397/ for a MadVR log of me starting a video, going into fullscreen with automatic exclusive mode on, then waiting a few seconds for it to switch to exclusive automatically, which it fails to.

Please help. I need my fullscreen seek bar and the performance benefits of exclusive fullscreen.

[MSL_DK]

I don't know if this has something to do with my problem, and i can't check it, as my monitor is at service.

https://www.thurrott.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/display-settings.jpg

Mine was scaled to 150%

I have tried to lower the setting to 100% and roll back to driver version 13.12 from AMD and to madVR 0.88.16. Nothing helps :( on this clean windows 10 install

[huhn]

it looks like it has some small but general issue with DVDs.

cutting about a pixel from the left:
http://abload.de/img/dvdproblemsg8sgr.png
cutting about a pixel from the right
http://abload.de/img/dvdproblems2yjsdw.png

or is this intentional behaviour for DVDs it's very common to have issue with the last pixel at each side this DVD is unusually clean there.

[Sunset1982]

Please help. I need my fullscreen seek bar and the performance benefits of exclusive fullscreen.

had problems too. Look into Catalyst and search for upcaling options.

Ich changed the way the wallpaper was upscaled. I set it to only center and no upscale and this did the trick.

windows desktop upscaling can prevent madvr to go into fullscreen exclusive mode.

[Arm3nian]

I'm using super xbr since nnedi3 isn't working, but I don't think super xbr is doing anything either. Using a 1080 source on a 4k monitor I tried 150 sharpness and doubling, quadrupling, and octupling, which should destroy my 980ti, but render times and gpu usage are the same. The OSD says image > super xbr but it looks worse and grainy with it enabled. Using latest nvidia and W10 and nightlies of everything else.

[kopija]

Greetings,
I decided to tinker with image doubling settings and enabled NEDI but to my surprise render times and scale times remain the same.
I am doing DXVA luma/image scaling on Intel HD 3000, playing SD clip on FullHD monitor.
Any ideas why NEDI is having no performance impact?
Thanks.

[ryrynz]

Any ideas why NEDI is having no performance impact?


That'll be because it's not working.

[michkrol]

@Arm3nian
Super XBR works here on Win10, Geforce 750Ti, drivers 353.62.
Super-XBR is cheap compared to NNEDI3. It doesn't destroy my Geforce 750Ti, so it should be a breeze for your GPU ;)
Probably easiest way to check if doubling is working would be to change your image upscaling algorithm to nearest neighbor, set your player to exactly 200% zoom and compare doubling on/off.
As for the sharpness, it doesn't work like with NNEDI's neurons - more gives different sharpness, not better quality. Also AFAIK, sharpness has little or no impact on performance with s-xbr.
Have you tried some "sane" sharpness (like 75) to check quality?

@kopija
Image doubling doesn't work with DXVA scaling (due to technological limitations).

[madshi]

it looks like it has some small but general issue with DVDs.

cutting about a pixel from the left:
http://abload.de/img/dvdproblemsg8sgr.png
cutting about a pixel from the right
http://abload.de/img/dvdproblems2yjsdw.png

or is this intentional behaviour for DVDs it's very common to have issue with the last pixel at each side this DVD is unusually clean there.
I don't think it's a problem. This could have two different reasons: 1) Sometimes the black bars move a bit, madVR allows them to move up to 2 pixels, I think, without changing the detection. 2) Furthermore some video borders are very soft. madVR picks the line which has the highest contrast. That means there might be a low-contrast line outside of the detected area.

[omarank]

I'll reply to all your posts later (probably next weekend). For now I just wanted to share a test build for all those of you who are eager to play with new features:

http://madshi.net/madVRblackBarTest1.rar

Black bars detection didn’t work on some of the samples that I tried. They were RGB and YUV2 4:2:2 videos. The detection worked perfectly in other cases.

[kopija]

That'll be because it's not working.

Haha, thanks.
So no image doubling for no my poor old HD3000 I guess?

[ryrynz]

Haha, thanks.
So no image doubling for no my poor old HD3000 I guess?

It should work, nobody else has had issues with it on Intel hardware, performance would be pretty poor though.

Does the OSD say image > Nedi? If it does then compare screenshots with it enabled and disabled to see if there's any visual difference.

[kopija]

It should work, nobody else has had issues with it on Intel hardware, performance would be pretty poor though.

Does the OSD say image > Nedi? If it does then compare screenshots with it enabled and disabled to see if there's any visual difference.

Image doubling doesn't work with DXVA scaling (due to technological limitations), see few post up.

[madshi]

Black bars detection didn’t work on some of the samples that I tried. They were RGB and YUV2 4:2:2 videos. The detection worked perfectly in other cases.
Not sure right now if it should work on RGB, but at least on YUV2 I think it should. Do you have a sample for me?

[xabregas]

Even on my laptop Intel HD 4000 i can use super-xbr with less than 10ms of rendering which is INSANE!!! :P

[jameshendricks1969]

had problems too. Look into Catalyst and search for upcaling options.

Ich changed the way the wallpaper was upscaled. I set it to only center and no upscale and this did the trick.

windows desktop upscaling can prevent madvr to go into fullscreen exclusive mode.

Tried this, didn't work. Thanks anyways. On Windows 8.1 64 bit, btw.

[6233638]

I was wondering if anyone had figured out the root cause for why the queues don't seem to fill up with the 10-bit FSE output if the present queue is set to a high value.

Since reducing the value to 6 seemed to work with my GTX 570, and VRAM usage seemed to be approaching the limit of that card (1280MB) with those settings, I thought that it was probably a VRAM limitation.

But I have since upgraded to a 4GB GTX 960, and am experiencing the same issue.
I have not tested multiple formats yet (if I recall correctly, the "safe" value varied depending on what was being played) but for the DVD that I was trying to watch, anything above 12 frames presented in advance causes the queues to empty.

And now that I have a faster card, it doesn't seem related to GPU load or VRAM usage at all. GPU load is below 50% even with NNEDI32, and VRAM usage is under 1300MB.

[Sunset1982]

anyone who tried the lastest AMD beta driver? does it work without glitches in madvr?

http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=352&func=fileinfo&id=1655

[ryrynz]

If you're wanting to avoid W10 installing Nvidia's latest non NNEDI compatible drivers without affecting W10 update functionality then look at this tool from MS.
Unfortunately setting the option to avoid third party driver updates doesn't work too well so it's best to just ignore the particular update using this.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

[chros]

Even on my laptop Intel HD 4000 i can use super-xbr with less than 10ms of rendering which is INSANE!!! :P
Just out of curiousity can you try Overlay mode on your HD4000, is it working?
(I got a blank picture with it, see my signature for details.)
Thanks

[omarank]

Not sure right now if it should work on RGB, but at least on YUV2 I think it should. Do you have a sample for me?
Please have a look at this sample (http://www.mediafire.com/download/gj3x69fi8m4ex3l/bbb24p_01_6.ts). If you need a longer duration file, kindly let me know.

[madshi]

Please have a look at this sample (http://www.mediafire.com/download/gj3x69fi8m4ex3l/bbb24p_01_6.ts). If you need a longer duration file, kindly let me know.
Would be great to have a 15 second sample, if possible. Thanks!

[xabregas]

Just out of curiousity can you try Overlay mode on your HD4000, is it working?
(I got a blank picture with it, see my signature for details.)
Thanks

i can, i prefer exclusive but i can do overlay with my laptop on a FULL HD TV. My laptop is even slower than yours. The only thing i can think is some problem between your 2 gpus. I only have intel HD 4000 on i3-3110m 2.4GHz CPU, windows 8.1 x64 and 4GB RAM and 500GB HDD 2.5 5400 rpm

[omarank]

Would be great to have a 15 second sample, if possible. Thanks!
You may download the sample from this link (http://www.w6rz.net/). (Any of the 12 segments of Big Buck Bunny)

[Sunset1982]

I reported the catalyst 15.7.1 problems (presentation glitches and crashes) to the amd support. I hope they take it serious and find a solution for the next driver release.

[XMonarchY]

Can madVR detect judder? My Samsung TV gives me 2 choices:
1. 48Hz DISABLED mode, in which I can select 60Hz refresh rate or 23Hz or 24Hz refresh rate
2. 48Hz ENABLED mode, in which I can only select only 23Hz or 24Hz refresh rate

48Hz ENABLED mode flickers a bit, especially in white scenes, but it is supposedly better at removing judder than 48hz DISABLED mode @ 23/24Hz. However, some TV reviews say that Samsung's 48/72Hz ENABLED modes produce MORE judder than 48Hz DISABLED mode @ 23/24Hz. How can I find out if such is the case with my TV? I don't know how to look for judder and I'd rather use 48Hz DISABLED mode because it does not flicker...

[nevcairiel]

madVR cannot detect anything going on in your TV. How would it do that? :)

If you cannot see any judder, then why do you worry though? Use whatever looks best to you.
madVR has a smoothness test pattern though to make it easier to see such things, install the test pattern source from the first post in this thread and run one of the SmoothMotion tests.

[Akeno]

I would take a look at panning scenes in anime to judge judder. Anime works ideally because most of the pans are flat movements across the canvas. I ended up sticking with 60hz smooth motion for my Sony Bravia because 24hz produced way more judder than the former.

[ryrynz]

I would take a look at panning scenes in anime to judge judder. Anime works ideally because most of the pans are flat movements across the canvas. I ended up sticking with 60hz smooth motion for my Sony Bravia because 24hz produced way more judder than the former.

If you have a Motionflow option at 24hz turn that on and see what you think. Personally I find that for animated content generally frame interpolation looks better than blended frames aka Smooth Motion.

[Akeno]

Those options aren't enabled for pc HDMI connections or I would have tried them out if I could. How does svp stack up against TV motionflow though?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

[ryrynz]

It stacks up actually quite well, definitely give it a shot, you'll generally need a good quad core for the best results.

[Akeno]

I'll try it out. It's it cpu or gpu oriented? Madvr is already pushing my gpu.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

[ryrynz]

More CPU orientated than anything else. We'll leave it at that as this topic doesn't apply to madVR.

[huhn]

another really strange misdection:
http://abload.de/img/misdetection25nz6b.png

there is even motion in the part that's detected as a black border.

[madshi]

another really strange misdection:
http://abload.de/img/misdetection25nz6b.png

there is even motion in the part that's detected as a black border.
Sample? Thanks!

[vivan]

Sample? Thanks!http://mediafire.com/download/786f2jwax3kq3mi
(yeah, I watch it too)

[chros]

Can I send standard window messages (like WM_COMMAND) to MadVR through MPC_HC (through it's webinterface)?
I'd like to change couple of things remotely, e.g. the input level.
I tried to capture the hotkeys (CTRL+J, CRTL+SHIFT+ALT+I , etc) in WindowDetective , but mpc-hc doesn't have a clue about them :(
Any idea how to do this?
Thanks
I got the idea from nussman in the other topic that why I don't talk to madvr directly (after enabling the network interface).
I went through the net-protocol.txt, and the madTPG* source files, but since I'm not c++ programmer, I don't understand anything about it.
Can somebody give me a 'curl' bare minimum example with which I can toggle input source level (CRTL+SHIFT+ALT+I)? (IP is known, and I don't care about error handling for now), like this (question is the content-type, and the method, and the params :) ) :
curl -H 'content-type: application/json' -X POST http://192.168.1.50:37612/ -d '{"command":"toggleInputSourceLevel"}'

Thanks

[RainyDog]

Those options aren't enabled for pc HDMI connections or I would have tried them out if I could. How does svp stack up against TV motionflow though?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

What model Bravia do you have? You should be able to use any of the Motionflow settings with any type of input as long as you are using a Scene mode other than Graphics, Game or Auto (which will auto select Graphics with a PC input).

I use Auto/24p on mine which means it uses Graphics for the desktop and gaming to minimise input lag, but auto switches to Cinema Scene mode if it detects a 24fps input.

I'm starting to warm to the Standard motionflow option lately as it eradicates 24fps stutter on fast pans (not 3:2 pulldown judder as my set handles 24hz properly, but the effect of 24fps simply not been a high enough framerate smoothly display fast panning).

There's an element of 'soap opera effect' as it's usually referred to, which I despised for a long time. But the more I live with it then the more I'm beginning to actually like what it does and appreciate that a higher framerate (even interpolated) is almost always just simply superior for displaying video.

[James Freeman]

But the more I live with it then the more I'm beginning to actually like what it does and appreciate that a higher framerate (even interpolated) is almost always just simply superior for displaying video.

Completely agreed.
HFR is definitely the future.
We'll see soon as UHD-BR is just around the corner.

[aufkrawall]

GeForce driver 355.60 is out, but it didn't bring back D3D9 OCL sharing (so still no NNEDI3 via OpenCL).

[fedpul]

I want to ask a question. Is it useful using technologies such as VSR or DSR alongside with madVR? Right now I'm trying 2560x1440 with my FHD TV and I think it looks better if you have the computing power to use it.

Thanks in advance.

[aufkrawall]

It's not better for video since both use low quality downscaling filters.
If you think video looks better with it, you might want to change your scaling or postprocessing preferences etc.

[fedpul]

It's not better for video since both use low quality downscaling filters.
If you think video looks better with it, you might want to change your scaling or postprocessing preferences etc.

Well, I'm actually using:
Chroma: Jinc AR
Image: Jinc AR
Down: CR AR LL
Doubling: Was using NNEDI 64 before trying VSR and now I'm using Super-XBR 100.

My hardware for reference:
I5 3570k@4.2Ghz-/-HD7870@1100/1375-/-16 Gb RAM

[Budtz]

I sometimes watch content on my TV with the monitor in the other room on. So in this case the pc is running cloned dual monitor setup. In windows 10 I noticed that the screen is black for a few seconds when starting a video file in FSE – and also goes black for a second if switching to windowed mode. After this it doesn’t happen until I open another video file. Then it does it again. Also it seems that video playback is not smooth but choppy until I change from FSE to windowed and back to FSE again. These problems with switching from FSE to windowed mode dint happen in windows 8. It also doesn’t happen when only using one monitor.

I am unsure however if it is windows 10, driver issues, or something that can be fixed in madvr.

Does any1 have any solutions?

[Akeno]

I've made a new thread for motionflow discussion since it's not really madVR related. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1734223#post1734223

[huhn]

Well, I'm actually using:
Chroma: Jinc AR
Image: Jinc AR
Down: CR AR LL
Doubling: Was using NNEDI 64 before trying VSR and now I'm using Super-XBR 100.

My hardware for reference:
I5 3570k@4.2Ghz-/-HD7870@1100/1375-/-16 Gb RAM

doesn't matter what you choice in madVR it's not used for downscaling because it is scaled down by the GPU driver with terrible quality.

but what do you think you will win by upscaling and downscaling again? thsi is made for games that can run in a higher resolution unlike videos.