madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[madjock]

Off topic ... really dislike this stuff in madVR thread!

I hate to sound like a Troll, but it is not really a madVR thread anymore. I think because it has matured or is maturing to a "paid" app eventually, that is it is going that way.


But hey who am I to mock someone that has put his heart and soul into something as good as it is, and is going to be. Good luck to him. :o

[huhn]

every command from madshi about a paid version was about a paid version and a free version.

[madjock]

every command from madshi about a paid version was about a paid version and a free version.

Ok, but you cant be naive enough to think they will be the same.

[huhn]

never said that.

[madjock]

never said that.

So I don't get your point then, but hence the way the thread has gone.

To be honest most of the stuff I see you post is you snapping at people, so please carry on.

[strumf666]

I'm on a 980 so I would like to make sure they support 10 bit decoding etc.
every nvidia card since the 960 release date can do HEVC 10 bit.

so you ask for something that's a given for over 3.5 years.
I think 960 has a newer video processing unit (or whatever it is called) than 970&980 - the latter only supports hybrid decoding:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo#The_ninth_generation_PureVideo_HD
But this is a hardware limitation so it obviously can't be fixed by sw and even if it could be madVR is a renderer, not a decoder, so wrong thread ;)

[ryrynz]

DW, if there are OT posts the discussion generally doesn't last long.. We've discussed hardware/software decoders on here a few times with it being part of the video playback chain and all no biggie.

Yeah huhn can be direct but he's also one of the more helpful and knowledgeable people here so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Stereodude]

Now that they're announced the speculating can begin on how the RTX 2070, 2080, and 2080 Ti will perform compared to the existing cards with MadVR. Is it simply about FLOPS, or do some of the big architectural changes totally change the calculation?

[veggav]

The new GPUs are focusing on AI and this could end up being a good thing thing for MadVR.

Maybe we can have some implementation on that per pixel calculation that AI will do in games.

Let's see. I'm going to replace my 1080Ti with a 2080Ti

[huhn]

polaris performs terrible with NGU and the gflop are clearly not bad at all.

nnedi was running much better on GCN 1-2 than fermi kepler and that with a hand break.

so no we sadly have to wait and see.

[DragonQ]

The new GPUs are focusing on AI and this could end up being a good thing thing for MadVR.

Maybe we can have some implementation on that per pixel calculation that AI will do in games.

Let's see. I'm going to replace my 1080Ti with a 2080Ti
At £1300??? You are feeding the beast good sir and it will only bite you in the end.

[huhn]

the founder is 1200 USD the normal better cards will have an MSRP at around 1k usd that's not even 800 pounds.

[Stereodude]

Let's see. I'm going to replace my 1080Ti with a 2080Ti
I'm going to wait for others to test the waters and see how they perform.

[veggav]

At £1300??? You are feeding the beast good sir and it will only bite you in the end.

I'm going to be able to upgrade without putting too much money on, since I live in a country with such high taxes and everything is expensive I can sell my 1080Ti for the price I payed for in the past and this is almost the price of the 2080Ti.

Since I got ripped off by my country in the past and I have a relative going to the States soon. This will work to my advantage.

[Manni]

The new GPUs are focusing on AI and this could end up being a good thing thing for MadVR.

Maybe we can have some implementation on that per pixel calculation that AI will do in games.

Let's see. I'm going to replace my 1080Ti with a 2080Ti

Zero interest for me in the 2080ti to replace my 1080ti, as it still doesn't support HDMI 2.1, which for me is the main reason to update the 1080ti so that I can get 4K@60p in 10/12bits in RGB 4:4:4.

I suspect the 2080ti will be very short lived and replaced within 12/18 months by a cheaper, better model (hopefully 7nm to bring down this 285W) that will handle HDMI 2.1 and provide a 48Gb/s bandwidth for the 2-3 years to come.

That's the one I'm saving for :)

[Stereodude]

Can the Tensor cores be used to dramatically speed up the pixel processing? The 2080 Ti specs list 110TFLOPs for FP16 with its Tensor cores.

[huhn]

if it could be used for "everything" why do they even have CUDA cores?
not saying it can't be used for that but it is currently used for ray tracing and that's done in 3D rendering madVR isn't really doing that or let's say it differently madVR works with 2d textures.

and about HDMI 2.1 i wouldn't say the last word has been said about it yet.
personally this was the nail in the coffin for me. i mean i was totally sure it will have HDMI 2.1 it's finalise for such a long time already but there is a chance they have it and it is simply not tested yet:

Q: What is the testing policy for HDMI 2.1 products?
A: All products must comply with Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification and the HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS); and until the CTS is available and a product has passed compliance testing a product cannot claim to be 2.1 compliant or market that it supports 2.1 features.
obviously no one should even thing about buying a card based on this guess.

[nevcairiel]

Can the Tensor cores be used to dramatically speed up the pixel processing? The 2080 Ti specs list 110TFLOPs for FP16 with its Tensor cores.

Theoretically you could use the Tensor Cores to apply a Neural-Network based scaler on the image, or any other NN-based image processing algorithm (sharpening, denoising, etc).

But you cannot just run any old algorithm through that, it would need to be specifically designed/trained for that task.

[ryrynz]

Looking forward to your render times and gpu usage benchmarks.

[Stereodude]

Theoretically you could use the Tensor Cores to apply a Neural-Network based scaler on the image, or any other NN-based image processing algorithm (sharpening, denoising, etc).

But you cannot just run any old algorithm through that, it would need to be specifically designed/trained for that task.
Oh, I didn't realize the algorithms had to be specifically designed/trained for the task and that it wasn't general purpose friendly.

[Manni]

the founder is 1200 USD the normal better cards will have an MSRP at around 1k usd that's not even 800 pounds.

The USD price is usually roughly translated into GPB because of UK-rip-off and 20% VAT plus duty.

The 2080ti is on pre-order for around £1,200 (some up to £1,339, although there is a Gigabyte at £1,050) at Scan, the 2080 are around £1,000 (though prices start at £715 for a Palit) :eek:

Not that I would upgrade my 1080ti until they offer a model with HDMI 2.1, as discussed.

[BluesFanUK]

Am I missing something here, what has HDMI 2.1 got over DisplayPort 1.4? I've still got a 980ti which is pretty horrendous on a 4K monitor when using MadVR and the newer options, so i'm tempted to see what the 2080Ti brings... but not at £1100!

[nevcairiel]

Am I missing something here, what has HDMI 2.1 got over DisplayPort 1.4?

TVs or Projectors don't typically have DisplayPorts, with rare exceptions.
HDMI 2.1 also has some more bandwidth, although the bandwidth difference between the two is probably not that significant for most users quite yet (48G HDMI 2.1 vs 32.4G DP 1.4 - HDMI 2.0 is 18G). For example, you can run 4K 144Hz over HDMI 2.1, but not over DP 1.4 (without compression).

My HTPC is definitely waiting for a HDMI 2.1 card as well so I can get 4K 60Hz RGB in 10/12-bit. But it currently runs a 1060, so any of the revealed models would be super overkill anyway, and HDMI 2.1 TVs aren't quite available yet either.

[Razoola]

The lack of HDMI 2.1 and the price point floating around for Uk/europe mean its not the time for me to update either. It looks to me that nvidia are pricing themselves outside the market while not using the latest specs. I'll prob end up moving from my 980 to a 1080ti when those prices drop (or a 2070 if thats HDMI 2.1).

[madFloyd]

Well I'm hoping to upgrade from my 1060 so I can do some better scaling on 1080 material (and hopefully better chroma on 2160).

If not the 2000 series cards then perhaps a cheap used 1080ti when gamers start switching over.

[HauteTension]

Does anyone know why so long ago the author of MadVR did not appear in this forum?

MadVR's last update was three months ago, on April 23, the last Madshi post is dated 30th May.
Previously, he was usually incredibly active.

Has something happened?
Аor example, he lost interest in the project or is preparing a big coup in the form of a paid version?

Or just unusually busy on the main job?

[videoh]

He hangs out at AVSForum, where the rules are actually enforced and trolls/bullies are not tolerated.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/2954506-improving-madvr-hdr-sdr-mapping-projector.html

[Ver Greeneyes]

AVSForum, where the rules are actually enforced and trolls/bullies are not tolerated
That may be true (I don't know either way), but is that actually the reason? He's mostly been active in this thread (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/2954506-improving-madvr-hdr-sdr-mapping-projector.html) which is about a particular topic (improving HDR tone mapping).

[Warner306]

Does anyone know why so long ago the author of MadVR did not appear in this forum?

MadVR's last update was three months ago, on April 23, the last Madshi post is dated 30th May.
Previously, he was usually incredibly active.

Has something happened?
Аor example, he lost interest in the project or is preparing a big coup in the form of a paid version?

Or just unusually busy on the main job?

People get busy with other things. He put a lot of work into one topic that likely required a lot of research and trial-and-error to produce a solution. Almost no one has provided feedback on that feature in this forum, so he converses in another forum where development is able to continue at a regular pace.

So not that abnormal and development continues.

[videoh]

I didn't say it was the reason and obviously don't speak for madshi. Warner306 is quite right pointing out that he gets better feedback at AVSForum. I was merely making an auxiliary observation about the difference between the two sites. ;)

[Razoola]

3 months is nothing for madshi to be away from posting.

[Manni]

Does anyone know why so long ago the author of MadVR did not appear in this forum?

MadVR's last update was three months ago, on April 23, the last Madshi post is dated 30th May.
Previously, he was usually incredibly active.

Has something happened?
Аor example, he lost interest in the project or is preparing a big coup in the form of a paid version?

Or just unusually busy on the main job?

Madshi is busy with commercial work at the moment, and when he has a bit of spare time he is working on improving the HDR to SDR conversion over at AVS Forums simply because someone started a thread on the subject there and there are more people interested in this improvement as it's primarily for A/V enthusiasts. It also allows to focus on this in a single thread.

There should be a new public build soon, and I'm sure Madshi will post back here as well, as it remains the main thread for MadVR.

Do not feel abandoned, it's all for the best :)

[thomaz909]

Please make it possible to have "Add Grain" always active, without the upscaling dependency.
Maybe, put an extra "add grain" option to the "image enhancements" section.

[ryrynz]

Actually really surprised that nobody mentioned back when it was added. Can't see why this wouldn't make it in.

[huhn]

it was talked about.

but just lowering the bit deep has a similar effect.

[waldnebel]

madVR always puts a big smile onto my face. It's unbelievable nice what NGU (very sharp) can do to relative clean 1080p recordings upscaled to a 2160p screen. It's time to say thank you to madshi for such a nice video renderer. It looks like madshi is also the king of optimization. My 1080 GTX can do NGU doubling to 4k res in combination with edge sharpening, detail enhancement and error diffusion dithering in around 28 ms. That's enough for every 23 or 24 fps movie and even for 29 fps videos.


What is not working for me is the custom resolution functionality on Windows 10 1803.

[madjock]

What is not working for me is the custom resolution functionality on Windows 10 1803.

More than likely the Nvidia drivers you are using, I rolled back to 390.xx and all is good, some get success with CRU and the likes, but rolling back fixed it for me.

[fallengt]

Can someone explain

MPC-HC shows P010 10 bit 4:2:0
PotPlayer shows NV12 8 bit 4:2:0

This is same video with same settings (Lav video decoder and Madvr video render). Is there any particular reason that I'm seeing different results?

[ryrynz]

You're using LAV with MPC-HC while playing 10 bit content it's using P010 which it should, Potplayer is using internal filters? and is either not using p010 because it's doing some sort of postprocessing or it's disabled.

[fallengt]

Potplayer is using Lav filters.
Not sure what seem to be the problem. Downloading few more HEVC encoded videos to test it now.
Edit: nope potplayer still shows everything NV12

[foobar2000]

ngu 480p or 720p to 2160p screen, does require 1080ti card?

[foozoor]

A GeForce RTX 2080 Ti should work too. :D

[ryrynz]

@fallen you should be in the Potplayer forum not here.
@foobar no it does not, you'd probably be fine with a 1060.. but 1070+ would be good.. I'd wait until the 20xx cards drop before buying anything though.
@foozor extra 50% performance over 1080Ti *Drool*

[Siso]

Potplayer is using Lav filters.
Not sure what seem to be the problem. Downloading few more HEVC encoded videos to test it now.
Edit: nope potplayer still shows everything NV12

I'm pretty sure that potplayer's internal codecs are forcing this output...

[Bl4ze87]

Sorry guys, what's the best nvidia driver version to havehdr working properly?

[Zaoshi]

ngu 480p or 720p to 2160p screen, does require 1080ti card?

No, I have 1070 and I upscale to 2160p then downscale to 1440p.

[Manni]

Sorry guys, what's the best nvidia driver version to havehdr working properly?

Everyone will give you a different version.

I use 385.28 because that the one with the least issues with my display (see sig).

[Asmodian]

I use the newest (398.82), they work perfectly for me.. custom resolutions and everything.

[oldpainlesskodi]

I use the newest (398.82), they work perfectly for me.. custom resolutions and everything.

Can you select 12bit with a custom res?

[veggav]

The only way to get 12bits with custom timings is calculating your timings with MadVR and using Custom Resolution Utility to add it to your driver.

Go a few pages back, I've explained how to do it and it worked for me and at least one other user.