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madshi

22nd September 2015, 19:34

I am afraid not. I never tried to simulate channel switches with Files...
Oh well. My brother has a Dreambox connected to SAT, which I can access via LAN. Is there any way I can make DVBViewer treat the Dreambox as a Sat receiver? Maybe that would allow me to reproduce the problem?

Oups, I actually didn't send the one I wanted to send.

This is the one that really is causing issues. De-activating and re-activating auto-crop doesn't help with this one.
https://mega.nz/#!CNRzTADb!oQ-rHUvsY0KX-vpJ9s2d8WhjOsbF-gADlv8rA0zUNYs
Euh, those ugly subtitles! I'll have a look at this, but my best guess is that the subtitles are to monstruous for the current madVR detection code. I expect there to be some black pixels somewhere in between those subtitle letters in each pixel line. Otherwise to madVR it looks like real image content and not subtitles. But I'll see what I can do...

Serhiyko

22nd September 2015, 19:38

Probably using XySubFilter would work around the issue.
Does it allow to show/hide subtitles with keyboard shortcuts (hotkeys)?

Hmmm... Try enabling "linear light" for "image downscaling". Does that fix the problem?
Yes

CiNcH

22nd September 2015, 19:53

I can't think of something useful with the Dreambox either, as long as E2 devices do not feature a SAT>IP server. I am currently trying to reproduce it with two recordings of the channels and a playlist...

chros

22nd September 2015, 20:05

Strange, again, I'm using DXVA copyback, and player crashes with NNedi3.

Regarding cropping black bars: is there any settings (if not can you add one) for configuring not to crop black bars IF black bars are less than 2-4-6-8-10-..-15 lines? :) (I just realised yesterday night with a bluray remux, that it cropped 1 pixel from the side, resulting 1919 wide picture :) )
Thanks

Do you get a crash box looking similar to this? http://madshi.net/exc-ss3.gif
If so, please press "show bug report", then Ctrl+C, then you'll find the crash report in your clipboard. Upload it somewhere for me to look at.

1. Yes, I do have, here's the log, thanks: http://pastebin.com/YCsxfMDv

2. about my 2nd question: I made some test and everything seems to be good with these madvr settings under zoom control:
- x disable scaling if image size changes by only: 25 lines or less
- x automatically detect hard coded black bars
- x if black bars change pick one zoom factor: which doesn't lose any image content
- x notify media player about cropped black bars: no more than once every 2 sec
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: forever
- x crop black bars

That means, I don't need any further option about this :) And the top setting solves the problem with some strange fullHD videos that aren't fullHD (scaling wise, and MPC-HC doesn't scale it either!)! Awesome! :) Thank You!

3. 1 more thing popped in my mind about cropped black bars and profiling by size :) : will this work/detect screen changes on the fly? :)
Thank you once more!

CiNcH

22nd September 2015, 20:05

Ha! I succeeded! Easily reproducible here... Exactly same symptoms as with live channel switching.

Add the following two files (10s each) to a DVBViewer playlist, then play it.

Sky Atlantic HD (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkkmwhmvm2h85ht/2015-09-22_20-53-06_Sky%20Atlantic%20HD%20%28deu%29_Boardwalk%20Empire%20-%20Elfenbeinturm.ts?dl=1)
Sky Comedy (https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2r70p2ridbwjwj/2015-09-22_20-52-46_Sky%20Comedy%20%28AC3%2Cdeu%29_Im%20wei%C3%9Fen%20R%C3%B6ssl%20-%20Wehe%20du%20singst%21%20-%20Kom%C3%B6die.ts?dl=1)

The files will alternately be played back.

As I said it requires FSE here. When video freezes, the problem will persist until you kick madVR out of FSE via CTRL+ALT+DEL. So the duration of the single files should not matter. You will hear that the files are still alternately being played back when video hangs, as audio still works.

Shiandow

22nd September 2015, 20:22

The right default setting should be the one which applies to the majority of content rendered through madVR. So was the majority of content downscaled in gamma light at some point? Or was it not? I find it hard to say, but I suppose that probably 99% of all DVDs were downscaled in gamma light. For Blu-Ray it's more difficult. For older movies which got a 4K scan it's probably gamma light. For newer movies which have a 2K DI it might depend on at which resolution the film was scanned, or which resolution the digical camera recorded in. So it's really difficult to tell... Maybe a good default setting would be to use gamma light for SD content and linear light for 4K content? Not sure about Blu-Ray, though...

Well even if it was downscaled in gamma light at some point, using SuperRes with linear light isn't incorrect; it'll just look like an upscaled version of the image. It might deviate from the original a bit, but that's because the downscaled version deviates from the original (because of the 'incorrect' downscaling).

yok833

22nd September 2015, 20:53

6233638

22nd September 2015, 21:07

What do you need that for?In short:
My TV has to be in Game Mode or Graphics Mode when on the desktop. (full chroma res, low latency, but less accurate picture)
It has to be in Movie Mode when watching full-screen videos. (more accurate picture, though it drops chroma res to 4:2:2 and latency increases by ~100ms)

I don't know how or where it is specified, but the picture mode does change on the TV if it's set to auto.
On the desktop, it uses Graphics Mode, when I launch a game it enters Game Mode, if I play a video in WMP it enters General Mode.
You can manually change the Content Type in the NVIDIA Control Panel, and Movie Mode/Photo Mode also work; though I've not seen it switch to them automatically.

With JRiver using madVR though, I get:
Windowed Mode: Graphics Mode
FSW Mode: Game Mode
FSE Mode: Graphics Mode
With HDMI-CEC control (https://www.pulse-eight.com/) to switch the TV off/on when Windows sleeps/wakes the display, the only thing I use the TV remote for now is to switch modes.
If madVR could control the Content Type reported to the TV (I've no idea if this is possible) then it could switch the TV into Movie Mode when entering FSE playback and I'd never need the TV remote again.

What color does the pillarboxing have? This sounds extremely weird. Do you have a screenshot?It's not one color, there are images in place of blank pillarboxing.
Imagine something like this:
http://abload.de/img/aspectipq10.jpg

Or sometimes they repeat the edges of the video in the pillarbox with a gaussian blur over them, which I find very distracting. This was the first example I found on YouTube (03:50) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qdL3FwqbZk#t=3m50s)

It is unfortunately common for videos which are, for example, commentary over 4:3 footage.
It's not something that I think madVR should be detecting and isn't, but something which could also make use of the crop and aspect ratio features via file tags.

Oh well. Not sure what to do now.I think it could be a useful sub-option, if you add "only clean-up cropped edges".
Instead of a toggle, perhaps that would have to be a drop-down for "clean only affected edges" (which could be 1-4 edges) and "clean edge pairs" (top & bottom, left & right).

I understand the desire to simplify the controls, but I don't think the Zoom Control options are complex, just numerous - and I think it needs that flexibility to suit everyone's preferences, or all types of content.

yok833

22nd September 2015, 21:09

Good news Madshi !!! :)
I was affected by the black screen & freeze at launch with nnedi3 activated and I have found the solution to make it work (1st time for me :))!!!
I was using the internal LAV filters of MPCHC and by uncheking all the internal filters and using the last Lav Filters 0.66 as external filters ..... everything work again !!! :)

Hope it will help the other people concerned...

Hummm I have been too fast.... CUVID is the real problem that create the freeze and black screen.... using DVXA copy back in LAV fix the problem....and create it when I revert to CUVID...
(Once you change cuvid to dvxa cb it is important to kill the 2 madvr & mpchc apps open in the task manager or it will not work)

XRyche

22nd September 2015, 21:23

When you rename the files, you don't need to run the batch, anymore! The batch tries to rename the files, nothing else. So if you renamed the files manually, you've already done what the batch file was supposed to do. By manually renaming the files you've already activated debug mode, and you should get a debug log on your desktop.

Okay I finally understand now. Here's the log : http://www.mediafire.com/download/09l7qctofcj4ejd/madVR+NNEDI3-+log.txt . Thanks for being so patient.

madshi

22nd September 2015, 21:29

Ha! I succeeded! Easily reproducible here... Exactly same symptoms as with live channel switching.

Add the following two files (10s each) to a DVBViewer playlist, then play it.

As I said it requires FSE here. When video freezes, the problem will persist until you kick madVR out of FSE via CTRL+ALT+DEL. So the duration of the single files should not matter. You will hear that the files are still alternately being played back when video hangs, as audio still works.
Wonderful - thanks - I can reproduce problems here! Will look at it tomorrow...

1. Yes, I do have, here's the log, thanks: http://pastebin.com/YCsxfMDv
Interesting. Might have to do a test build for that, but not today, anymore.

3. 1 more thing popped in my mind about cropped black bars and profiling by size :) : will this work/detect screen changes on the fly? :)
Yes, it should.

Well even if it was downscaled in gamma light at some point, using SuperRes with linear light isn't incorrect; it'll just look like an upscaled version of the image. It might deviate from the original a bit, but that's because the downscaled version deviates from the original (because of the 'incorrect' downscaling).
Yeah, but I want to get as near as possible to the original image... :)

My TV has to be in Game Mode or Graphics Mode when on the desktop. (full chroma res, low latency, but less accurate picture)
It has to be in Movie Mode when watching full-screen videos. (more accurate picture, though it drops chroma res to 4:2:2 and latency increases by ~100ms)

I don't know how or where it is specified, but the picture mode does change on the TV if it's set to auto.
On the desktop, it uses Graphics Mode, when I launch a game it enters Game Mode, if I play a video in WMP it enters General Mode.
You can manually change the Content Type in the NVIDIA Control Panel, and Movie Mode/Photo Mode also work; though I've not seen it switch to them automatically.
It might be able to change that via NVidia specific APIs. But that's ultra low priority for me atm.

It's not one color, there are images in place of blank pillarboxing.

Or sometimes they repeat the edges of the video in the pillarbox with a gaussian blur over them, which I find very distracting.

It is unfortunately common for videos which are, for example, commentary over 4:3 footage.
It's not something that I think madVR should be detecting and isn't, but something which could also make use of the crop and aspect ratio features via file tags.
Ok.

Hummm I have been too fast.... CUVID is the real problem that create the freeze and black screen.... using DVXA copy back in LAV fix the problem....and create it when I revert to CUVID...
(Once you change cuvid to dvxa cb it is important to kill the 2 madvr & mpchc apps open in the task manager or it will not work)
Ok, I'll check if I can reproduce the problem here when using CUVID.

Does it allow to show/hide subtitles with keyboard shortcuts (hotkeys)?
I'm not sure.

Yes
Well, in that case I hope you can live with keeping that option enabled. Currently I can't fix this easily because it's not really a bug, but a side effect of a performance optimization. It will have to wait until I revisit the whole screenshot stuff.

Okay I finally understand now. Here's the log : http://www.mediafire.com/download/09l7qctofcj4ejd/madVR+NNEDI3-+log.txt . Thanks for being so patient.
Why oh why do so many users not zip text files for uploading?

Anyway, too late to dig into the log today, will do that tomorrow...

Serhiyko

22nd September 2015, 21:48

I'm not sure.
If I have to go into context menu or tray icon every time, it's even worse alternative. Would be great if it supported hotkeys, but as far as I see - it doesn't

Werewolfy

22nd September 2015, 22:40

I'm not aware of a single TV or projector which supports 120Hz input, but I'm sure some models will support it. It's very rare, though. HDMI in theory also supports 111Hz or 88Hz. Bandwidth issues aside, the key problem is what the firmware of the TV/projector supports. And most manufacturers don't bother implementing support for 120Hz. And why should they? It would cost them development resources which 99.99% of all users wouldn't ever use. Furthermore, with a 120Hz input they would probably have to extend the firmware to automatically disable all sorts of algorithms, like their own black frame insertion, motion interpolation etc. So I understand that they don't bother supporting high refresh rate input.

The situation may change if some important future gaming console is fast enough for 120Hz rendering. Or if UHD at some point supports 120Hz content.

Actually, new Sony TVs support 120hz ;)
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-brand/sony/x930c

See the video games part.

XRyche

22nd September 2015, 22:51

Why oh why do so many users not zip text files for uploading?

Anyway, too late to dig into the log today, will do that tomorrow...

Oops, didn't dawn on me to use compression. Will next time...I hope.

ryrynz

23rd September 2015, 00:50

Why oh why do so many users not zip text files for uploading?

Could make a message requesting that after the log has been created.

leeperry

23rd September 2015, 01:21

Ok. Can you send me a debug log which covers the crash?
Oops sorry, error message seemed identical so I wasn't sure whether a new log would help :o

Log files sent for 89.3b & 89.3e to your email.

Why would you need that? madVR already detects the black bars automatically. So you don't have to do anything manually.
These days I mostly use it for VHS captures that come with mistracking rolling bars at the bottom, I just get them out of the active picture and I would thoroughly enjoy a filename tag in order to nail them once and for all if any possible please.

I've also used it to rescan 15/9 to 16/9, I'm done in 5 clicks when it already takes 5 clicks to open mVR's control panel and reach the black bars section.

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 07:22

Hummm I have been too fast.... CUVID is the real problem that create the freeze and black screen.... using DVXA copy back in LAV fix the problem....and create it when I revert to CUVID...
(Once you change cuvid to dvxa cb it is important to kill the 2 madvr & mpchc apps open in the task manager or it will not work)
If you're under win 10 cuvid is no longer supported by nvidia drivers, so if you select it in lav you'll get that freeze. It's a pity because is the only thing that can access HW deinterlacing in lav, problem is that HW deinterlacing in Madvr with DVXA CB in video mode (at least in my case) doesn't work either (no doubling whatsoever, it always halves the frames and SVP doubles them again so I have to stick with yadiff...)

huhn

23rd September 2015, 08:36

If you're under win 10 cuvid is no longer supported by nvidia drivers, so if you select it in lav you'll get that freeze. It's a pity because is the only thing that can access HW deinterlacing in lav, problem is that HW deinterlacing in Madvr with DVXA CB in video mode (at least in my case) doesn't work either (no doubling whatsoever, it always halves the frames and SVP doubles them again so I have to stick with yadiff...)

SVP takes the frames from the decoder not the renderer so SVP only gets the interlaced stream.

and nvdia is using "double" FPS deinterlacing by default. the input for madVR is still 29.97 that's just how deinterlacing works 60 field in 29.97 frames.

nevcairiel

23rd September 2015, 09:14

If you're under win 10 cuvid is no longer supported by nvidia drivers, so if you select it in lav you'll get that freeze.

Thats nonsense, CUVID on Windows 10 works perfectly fine.

For some reason it just causes issues with madVRs image doubling. Maybe CUVID/CUDA in D3D9 mode doesn't like having OCL in D3D11 mode at the same time or something.

madshi

23rd September 2015, 09:16

Ha! I succeeded! Easily reproducible here... Exactly same symptoms as with live channel switching.

Add the following two files (10s each) to a DVBViewer playlist, then play it.
Ok, does this build fix the problem?

http://madshi.net/madVR893f.rar

Seems to help at least on my PC.

If I have to go into context menu or tray icon every time, it's even worse alternative. Would be great if it supported hotkeys, but as far as I see - it doesn't
Maybe you could suggest adding hotkeys in the XySubFilter thread? Although development has been idle recently, sadly...

I can see, maybe I can rerender the frame in paused mode once every second or so? That should solve the subtitle problem without burning the GPU too much, I suppose.

Actually, new Sony TVs support 120hz ;)
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-brand/sony/x930c

See the video games part.
Oh, color me positively surprised! :)

Oops, didn't dawn on me to use compression. Will next time...I hope.
It's not really a problem, just wondering since compression works by far best on text files like that.

So, I had a quick look at your debug log, but I'm not totally sure what to look for. I can see that it contains about 30 seconds of runtime. So which was the problem exactly which you captured in this debug log?

These days I mostly use it for VHS captures that come with mistracking rolling bars at the bottom, I just get them out of the active picture and I would thoroughly enjoy a filename tag in order to nail them once and for all if any possible please.

I've also used it to rescan 15/9 to 16/9, I'm done in 5 clicks when it already takes 5 clicks to open mVR's control panel and reach the black bars section.
Ah ok, that makes more sense to me. The screenshot you showed using PotPlayer's pan&scan looked like it should be auto detected by madVR, so the screenshot didn't really explain well why you would want to crop via file name tag.

CiNcH

23rd September 2015, 09:46

Ok, does this build fix the problem?

http://madshi.net/madVR893f.rar

Seems to help at least on my PC.
Not on mine. I now use the playlist approach with the 2 files I gave you to reproduce the problem. madVR/DVBViewer only survived few changes until it got stuck again. Binary is for sure the correct one (23.09.2015 10:05). It did not get any better here :( .

madshi

23rd September 2015, 09:57

Ouch. Then the problem you have must be a different problem to the one I saw here. Can you upload your madVR "settings.bin" (if madVR has write access to its own folder on your PC, otherwise "HKCU\Software\madshi\madVR\Settings", so that I can try with the same madVR settings? Also are you using any special LAV Video Decoder settings? You said earlier it occurs with both software and native DXVA decoding, so that doesn't seem to play much of a role here. Is there any way to copy the DVBViewer settings? Which GPU are you using, which display resolution and refresh rate? And which OS? Maybe if I try to match my playback as much as possible to yours, hopefully I can reproduce the same issue then...

CiNcH

23rd September 2015, 10:06

Can you upload your madVR "settings.bin"
settings.bin (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkvdsjstrwziwrb/settings.bin?dl=1)

Also are you using any special LAV Video Decoder settings?
Latest 0.66. Reproduced with dxva2n and avcodec (SW).

Is there any way to copy the DVBViewer settings?
I am attaching my setup.xml which you have to copy to the DVBViewer configuration folder (http://de.dvbviewer.tv/wiki/Konfigurationsverzeichnis). But I don't think that it will make any difference.

setup.xml (https://www.dropbox.com/s/arwfm9d7oil1w6e/setup.xml?dl=1)

Which GPU are you using, which display resolution and refresh rate?
Intel Ivy Bridge HD 4000 graphics @ 1080p50.

And which OS?
Win7 32-Bit.

ShadyCrab

23rd September 2015, 11:20

Nvidia GTX 960, Windows 10. Enabling NNEDI3 does nothing but enable the Jinc3 AR fallback for some reason. Theres not even a hint of it trying to enable it and then failing. This is with the newest 0.89.3.

This is the same behaviour as the previous builds, not sure whats going on/what to do. Would somehow regenerating the NNEDI3 kernel in the registry help if there was a way?

ryrynz

23rd September 2015, 11:33

Nvidia GTX 960, Windows 10

You should read the previous posts regarding this, god knows there's enough of them and with solutions.

CiNcH

23rd September 2015, 11:34

@madshi

since I am ill at home, I took the oportunity to think a bit about how you could better be prepared for Live TV matters. I know we talked about it on the DVBViewer forums but I would like to give it another shot ;) .

Therefore I also tried out several things...

(1) Dreambox
As it turned, you can easily use any E2 STB as network frontend for the DVBViewer. I tried that out with my UNiBOX HD eco+ and OpenATV image. You will find a comprehensive tutorial here (http://board.dreambox-tools.info/showthread.php?7700-Tutorial-DVBViewer-Client-mit-Zugriff-auf-die-Dreambox-als-Tuner), which should apply to all E2 STBs.

There is one catch which cost me a bit of time. Zapping via the URL is only possible when the STB is in Standby (not Deep Standby of course). Otherwise the STB is the master and does not allow external sources to change the channel/stream.

This really works beautifully.

(2) USB-Tuner
I did an inventory and I have quite a lot of prototype DVB hardware, see attached image.

They are all DVB-S2 USB2 devices. I tested their proper functionality right now. They have been in the closet for several years and are just catching dust. I would be more than happy to give something back and send you one for free.

Or if you prefer PCIe, I also have 2 Tevii S470 (http://www.tevii.com/Products_S472_1.asp) and an S482 (http://www.tevii.com/Products_S482_1.asp).

Serhiyko

23rd September 2015, 11:42

I can see, maybe I can rerender the frame in paused mode once every second or so? That should solve the subtitle problem without burning the GPU too much, I suppose.
How about making it optional (with rerendering being disabled by default, of course)? It's an ideal solution but the only and big downside is an additional option itself, which may contribute to options being overfilled (too much options). But I think it's better than rerendering paused mode for all, which most people will not need, and for ones who need every second may be too long, so it's a bad solution for both. The decision to make is up to you

Magik Mark

23rd September 2015, 11:51

kingfire

23rd September 2015, 12:19

Does this only occur with NNEDI3 or also with super-xbr or NEDI image doubling? Try deleting the registry key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\madshi\madVR\OpenCL". Does that help?

Only with NNEDI3 image doubling. Tried to delete the reg key but problem is still there.

Many thanks for your support.

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 12:46

SVP takes the frames from the decoder not the renderer so SVP only gets the interlaced stream.

and nvdia is using "double" FPS deinterlacing by default. the input for madVR is still 29.97 that's just how deinterlacing works 60 field in 29.97 frames.

That's why SVP with HW deinterlacing behaves correctly...

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 13:07

Thats nonsense, CUVID on Windows 10 works perfectly fine.

For some reason it just causes issues with madVRs image doubling. Maybe CUVID/CUDA in D3D9 mode doesn't like having OCL in D3D11 mode at the same time or something.
WIN10+LAV CUVID = freeze or is it only me? PS be more polite

vivan

23rd September 2015, 14:39

If I have to go into context menu or tray icon every time, it's even worse alternative. Would be great if it supported hotkeys, but as far as I see - it doesn'tXySubFilter has only one related hotkey - switching subtitles to the next stream ("S" by default) which turns subtitles on/off, but only if there's only one subtitle stream (it actually switches to the next, next being "disabled" in that case).

Maybe switch switching into fullscreen from Alt+Enter to just Enter? That way you can just hit Enter twice and it should refresh preview.

huhn

23rd September 2015, 14:39

WIN10+LAV CUVID = freeze or is it only me? PS be more polite

it is as he said.

CUVID + NNEDI freezes the player. that doesn't mean it isn't supported anymore and that doesn't mean it will always freeze.
CUVID on it own should work totally fine.

That's why SVP with HW deinterlacing behaves correctly...

if SVP tries to interpolated a interlaced flagged stream than this is a problem/limitation in SVP.

if you want to use SVP on a 60 fps deinerlaced stream to get 120 FPS or something like that than yes this is not possible with hardware deinterlacing. by using YADIF or hardware deinterlacing you lose the ability to use madVR IVTC not sure if this a good idea.

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 15:40

@huhn

WIN10+LAV CUVID freezes MPCHC no matter the upscaler. Do you own an NVIDIA card under WIN10 and are you able to select LAV CUVID without issues? Please let me know if you do. If yes than something's wrong with my setup...

The problem is that by using HW decoding (and HW deintelacing) via LAV-CUVID everything worked fine (in WIN8), since HW deintelacing is the best thing until Madshi comes up with something new (and I read in SVP forums he has some brilliant ideas) I'm stuck with YADIF and I don't see other options (as I said MADVR deintelacing doesn't detect video mode - at least in my case - and messes up with SVP...) ;)

huhn

23rd September 2015, 15:59

@huhn

WIN10+LAV CUVID freezes MPCHC no matter the upscaler. Do you own an NVIDIA card under WIN10 and are you able to select LAV CUVID without issues? Please let me know if you do. If yes than something's wrong with my setup...

windows 10 EVR-CP lavfilter CUVID works totally fine so yes.

madVR without nnedi3 works fine too. make sure you don't use nnedi3 for chroma.

The problem is that by using HW decoding (and HW deintelacing) via LAV-CUVID everything worked fine (in WIN8), since HW deintelacing is the best thing until Madshi comes up with something new (and I read in SVP forums he has some brilliant ideas) I'm stuck with YADIF and I don't see other options (as I said MADVR deintelacing doesn't detect video mode - at least in my case - and messes up with SVP...) ;)

disable SVP in this case and you are fine. DXVA uses the same deinterlacer. and it is clearly doing 60p i can clearly count the 3:2 frame count in 3:2 cadence interlaced streams.

and i found issues with all hardware deinterlacer so even very basic QTGMC should be way better and at least i never saw an issue with YADIF.

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 16:28

Thanks @huhn, I will try EVR-CP to see if MadVR is the cause or maybe SVP's. As a matter of fact I tried to disable it but maybe it's not enough, maybe it is related to SVP's OPENCL, I don't know, but the exact same elements in WIN8 and LAV CUVID worked totally fine. Can you please test it with MadVR instead of EVR?

Disabling SVP each time I watch 1080@60i is not practical besides MadVR seems to force film mode so the only solution is YADIF. Unfortunately DXVA in LAV filters is not able to trigger HW deinterlacing. In the near future maybe Madshi will be able to implement an high quality vector based deinterlacer using SVP's data ;)

huhn

23rd September 2015, 16:34

Thanks @huhn, I will try EVR-CP to see if MadVR is the cause or maybe SVP's. As a matter of fact I tried to disable it but maybe it's not enough, maybe it is related to SVP's OPENCL, I don't know, but the exact same elements in WIN8 and LAV CUVID worked totally fine. Can you please test it with MadVR instead of EVR?
i said "madVR without nnedi3 works fine too. make sure you don't use nnedi3 for chroma." so yes i tested it already.
Disabling SVP each time I watch 1080@60i is not practical besides MadVR seems to force film mode so the only solution is YADIF. Unfortunately DXVA in LAV filters is not able to trigger HW deinterlacing. In the near future maybe Madshi will be able to implement an high quality vector based deinterlacer using SVP's data ;)

at default madVR will use video mode are you sure you haven't changed the settings?

nevcairiel

23rd September 2015, 16:37

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 16:47

i said "madVR without nnedi3 works fine too. make sure you don't use nnedi3 for chroma." so yes i tested it already.
at default madVR will use video mode are you sure you haven't changed the settings?

Sorry I missed that line. No I don't use that algo for chroma upscaling. At this point I think it has something to do with SVP or FFdshow raw filter... I will uninstall those and run some tests. If someone here is an SVP user can please confirm they have no trouble with LAV cuvid?

No I did not, whatever the settings SVP always sees the deinterlaced video as either 25 or 30p and thus doubles it...As I said this thing did not happen using LAV cuvid and HW deintelacing in video mode, SVP was not triggered because it was reading a video already running at 50p or at 60p...

avinab

23rd September 2015, 16:53

Only with NNEDI3 image doubling. Tried to delete the reg key but problem is still there.

Many thanks for your support.

I also have this problem. I reinstalled nvidia driver and now NNEDI3 is enabled in both chroma and image doubling.

AndreaMG

23rd September 2015, 16:53

I get madVR to deinterlace just fine as well. Admittedly my interlaced content is quite minimal, only a few concerts and documentaries from Blu-rays, but they work just fine with Software Decoding or DXVA2-CB and madVR DXVA deinterlacing.
There doesn't seem to be much of a point to run SVP on content thats natively 60 fps already, so some sort of profile system in ffdshow (which is still used for SVP, i guess?) could be used to limit its use there.

Thank you Nev, of course there is no point in doing that but when I watch tons of music videos each one different from the other turning on/off SVP accordingly it's not practical. I will try to ask over there after having removed it first to make sure it is the responsible...

madshi

23rd September 2015, 17:21

settings.bin (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkvdsjstrwziwrb/settings.bin?dl=1)

Latest 0.66. Reproduced with dxva2n and avcodec (SW).

I am attaching my setup.xml which you have to copy to the DVBViewer configuration folder (http://de.dvbviewer.tv/wiki/Konfigurationsverzeichnis). But I don't think that it will make any difference.

setup.xml (https://www.dropbox.com/s/arwfm9d7oil1w6e/setup.xml?dl=1)

Intel Ivy Bridge HD 4000 graphics @ 1080p50.

Win7 32-Bit.
Thanks. Will try to get as near to that as possible.

since I am ill at home, I took the oportunity to think a bit about how you could better be prepared for Live TV matters. I know we talked about it on the DVBViewer forums but I would like to give it another shot ;) .

Therefore I also tried out several things...

(1) Dreambox
As it turned, you can easily use any E2 STB as network frontend for the DVBViewer. I tried that out with my UNiBOX HD eco+ and OpenATV image. You will find a comprehensive tutorial here (http://board.dreambox-tools.info/showthread.php?7700-Tutorial-DVBViewer-Client-mit-Zugriff-auf-die-Dreambox-als-Tuner), which should apply to all E2 STBs.

There is one catch which cost me a bit of time. Zapping via the URL is only possible when the STB is in Standby (not Deep Standby of course). Otherwise the STB is the master and does not allow external sources to change the channel/stream.

This really works beautifully.
Will give that a try, thanks!

(2) USB-Tuner
I did an inventory and I have quite a lot of prototype DVB hardware, see attached image.

They are all DVB-S2 USB2 devices. I tested their proper functionality right now. They have been in the closet for several years and are just catching dust. I would be more than happy to give something back and send you one for free.
That would be nice! I don't have direct access to a SAT cable in my house, but my brother's house is just 50m away, and I guess I could go there with a laptop and an USB2 DVB-S2 stick to test stuff, whenever it's necessary. You can see my mail address here:

http://madshi.net/

Thanks a bunch! :) Stay in bed, though, and get well first!

Nvidia GTX 960, Windows 10. Enabling NNEDI3 does nothing but enable the Jinc3 AR fallback for some reason. Theres not even a hint of it trying to enable it and then failing. This is with the newest 0.89.3.
Try downloading drivers from NVidia homepage and install them. Stock drivers coming from Windows 10 sometimes aren't OpenCL capable, from what I've read.

How about making it optional (with rerendering being disabled by default, of course)? It's an ideal solution but the only and big downside is an additional option itself, which may contribute to options being overfilled (too much options). But I think it's better than rerendering paused mode for all, which most people will not need, and for ones who need every second may be too long, so it's a bad solution for both. The decision to make is up to you
Sorry, but there will be no option. As you say, adding an option has its disadvantages. I could offer you to rerender every 500ms, shouldn't that be fast enough? Don't want to go much lower, though.

Only with NNEDI3 image doubling. Tried to delete the reg key but problem is still there.
Then it's probably either a GPU driver bug, or a GPU hardware issue. Maybe using a different GPU driver version helps?

madshi

23rd September 2015, 17:22

Those of you with CUVID freezes on Windows 10: I've tried to reproduce that, but it doesn't happen here on Windows 8.1. So I suppose it must be Windows 10 specific. Can you please download the latest LAV build with the latest LAV PDB debug symbols, then reproduce the problem, then press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Pause/Break to create a freeze report in madVR. Also add a debug log, if you can. Hopefully that might help me figuring out what's going on there. The freeze report is probably more important in this case, but having a debug log on top could also prove helpful.

Serhiyko

23rd September 2015, 17:34

Sorry, but there will be no option.
That's too bad. I thought it could go into "trade quality for performance" subcategory just fine

As you say, adding an option has its disadvantages. I could offer you to rerender every 500ms, shouldn't that be fast enough? Don't want to go much lower, though.
It's a compromise meaning everyone will lose something: ones will get their GPU used more, others will get a delay

aufkrawall

23rd September 2015, 17:37

Could it be that NNEDI3 chroma doubling after luma doubling is broken?
http://abload.de/thumb/madvrmgsgm.png (http://abload.de/image.php?img=madvrmgsgm.png) http://abload.de/thumb/madvr2pwsba.png (http://abload.de/image.php?img=madvr2pwsba.png)

huhn

23rd September 2015, 17:39

madshi

23rd September 2015, 17:52

That's too bad. I thought it could go into "trade quality for performance" subcategory just fine

It's a compromise meaning everyone will lose something: ones will get their GPU used more, others will get a delay
An alternative would be for the internal subtitle renderer to notify madVR that the current frame needs to be redrawn. That would require work from MPC-HC/-BE devs, as well, though.

Could it be that NNEDI3 chroma doubling after luma doubling is broken?
Looking at your images, it seems that way. However, on my PC it seems to work. So it might be specific to your madVR settings and the exact scaling factor or something. Can you upload your settings.bin (or HKCU\software\madshi\madVR\settings)?

do i just need to put the LAV PDB debug symbols in the same folder as lavfilter?
Yes. They must match *exactly* the LAV version, though, otherwise they do more harm than good.