madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[madshi]

I have older version inside MPC HC folder and works very well ..
this release doesnt work (click -> run as admin as always )
Does the old version still work? If yes, just copy the new files over the old files and you should be good to go.

[Dreamland]

I copy the files over MadVr 0.90.24 ( no unistall )

and now i have new release

http://t8.pixhost.org/thumbs/1018/35305937_appunti01.jpg (http://pixhost.org/show/1018/35305937_appunti01.jpg)

:)

[Zulithe]

Did you have an older version installed? In that case you can just copy the files over, no need to uninstall again. Otherwise try right click -> run as admin. If that also doesn't help, you may have to run "regsvr32 madVR.ax" manually in an admin command line window.
I used the manual method you just described. But I can also confirm that the .bat file does not work on Windows 10 anniversary update (all other updates installed). Previously it worked fine. It just shows a black screen now. This is with running it as Admin, too.

[madshi]

Does the 90.24 batch file still work? Just wondering if something unexpected changed in 91.0 or if the anniversary update is causing the issue.

[Zulithe]

Does the 90.24 batch file still work? Just wondering if something unexpected changed in 91.0 or if the anniversary update is causing the issue.

Yes that batch file still works. i just rolled back to 90.24 using the old .zip. couldn't get the new version to work even when manually registering it. copy over method was the only one that eventually let me use 91.0

[madshi]

Interesting, must be my mistake then.

[sneaker_ger]

madVR v 0.91.0 doesn't react to any keyboard shortcuts for me. Old version fine. Resetting settings doesn't help. 32 bit and 64 bit affected. MPC-HC + MPC-BE affected. Windows 7 x64 SP1.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/bcop6k (log, start video in player, press ctrl+j, close player)

[imhh11]

thanks for the new version. But i cant install it too. Admin or not.
Keyboard shortcuts are not working too.

[huhn]

FHD to UHD 23p
nnedi3 64 luma only cost about 17 ms
NGU high quality luma only takes about 71 ms
nnedi3 256 luma only cost about 67ms

this is not working as intended or?

edit: installer is broken for me too.
edit2: RX 480 at 1236 mhz

[madshi]

madVR v 0.91.0 doesn't react to any keyboard shortcuts for me. Old version fine. Resetting settings doesn't help. 32 bit and 64 bit affected. MPC-HC + MPC-BE affected. Windows 7 x64 SP1.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/bcop6k (log, start video in player, press ctrl+j, close player)
Strange. madVR must be thinking your running it inside of a debugger or something. Do you have any debugger type of stuff running?

[madshi]

FHD to UHD 23p
nnedi3 64 luma only cost about 17 ms
NGU high quality luma only takes about 71 ms
nnedi3 256 luma only cost about 67ms
Which GPU? Which OS? Which speed does NGU medium have?

[aufkrawall]

Wow, NGU really seems to have hardly any bad properties.
Quick test 960x540 -> 1440p quadrupling (bicubic 150 AR downscaling)
NGU high:
http://abload.de/thumb/ng15oaw1.png (http://abload.de/image.php?img=ng15oaw1.png)

NNEDI3 64 + SR3:
http://abload.de/thumb/nnedi364sr3cyz7m.png (http://abload.de/image.php?img=nnedi364sr3cyz7m.png)

To put it short: Full of win. Most impressive, madshi!
Very low on ringing, aliasing and no bloating. Looks very clean and natural at the same time.

Some other observations:
-very artifact-free as a chroma scaler, but unlike reconstruction sharp, there is still some "dark haloing". Probably the reason why you want to use the approach for a luma-guided option later.
-I'm not sure if the high settings looks noticeably better for chroma than medium, for luma it certainly does.
-combining it with the deringing filter leads to similar artifacts like deringing + SuperRes, so deringing shouldn't be used with NGU (NGU seems to dering the picture anyway)
-using SuperRes on top of NGU doesn't look very helpful, but since it doesn't bloat, this wouldn't be a good idea anyway

Need to do some more tests with cartoons and other naturalistic images.

[huhn]

Which GPU? Which OS? Which speed does NGU medium have?

Rx 480 16.11.4
windows 10 14393
NGU medium needs about 22 ms

[Vegekou]

Does the 90.24 batch file still work? Just wondering if something unexpected changed in 91.0 or if the anniversary update is causing the issue.

Keyboard shortcuts don't work in the v0.91.

I had some BSOD in the last few releases. If you can take a look I would be great.

I'm on W10 v1607, AMD v16.9.2, MPC-HC v1.7.10.269, LAV v0.68.1.35-git.

Thanks.

[madshi]

@aufkrawall, how's the performance for you? With which GPU?

[Dreamland]

Very impressed quality video > NGU Medium :p
"High" is too strong for my grafic card (R9 380)

[sneaker_ger]

Strange. madVR must be thinking your running it inside of a debugger or something. Do you have any debugger type of stuff running?
Not that I'm aware of. MS EMET? This isn't a new copy-protection added after the 4chan thing, is it?

[madshi]

Would be great to get performance comparison results from different GPUs and OSs, NGU vs NNEDI3.

Those of you for who the keyboard shortcuts don't work, it's possible NGU isn't working for you, either. Please verify via OSD. Is NGU listed there?

[TheShadowRunner]

I can confirm that either the shortcuts (or showing/hiding the OSD using Ctrl+J) is broken in 0.91.

[madshi]

Not that I'm aware of. MS EMET? This isn't a new copy-protection added after the 4chan thing, is it?
Try deactivating EMET as a test. And yes, it's a new protection, thanks to 4chan. Although the keyboard shortcuts not working is more of a debugging help, not a protection. But if madVR thinks its being debugged, NGU isn't activated, either.

[aufkrawall]

@aufkrawall, how's the performance for you? With which GPU?
I'm on a GTX 1070 OC.
I can't use NG1 medium image doubling for 1080p 60fps -> 4k -> WQHD with other stuff like HQ deband at the same time.
NGU medium: ~20ms
NNEDI3 32: ~18.5ms
NNEDI3 16: ~14.2ms (no frame drops)

[Shiandow]

Please note that in order to measure shader passes I have to flush the GPU and wait for the rendering to succeed. This will actually slow overall rendering speed down. So I wouldn't bet on that each shader pass actually takes that much time when not forcing the GPU to flush after every render pass.

FWIW I've also measured around a 0.49ms difference in total rendering time per shader (without flushing the GPU). Obviously this is only the case if the shaders are fast enough, but with a decent modern GPU (>=GTX 960) you can do a massive amount of computation before the computation time gets anywhere near 0.5ms.


Nobody has had a hand in NGU other than me. Well, of course I must have read several dozen scientific papers about image processing and upscaling, and I've certainly taken many good ideas from several such papers, and added a couple of my own ideas.

Are there any paper's you'd recommend?

[sneaker_ger]

Try deactivating EMET as a test.
I completely uninstalled EMET and rebooted afterwards. Still doesn't work.

[huhn]

I'm on a GTX 1070 OC.
I can't use NG1 medium image doubling for 1080p 60fps -> 4k -> WQHD with other stuff like HQ deband at the same time.
NGU medium: ~20ms
NNEDI3 32: ~18.5ms
NNEDI3 16: ~14.2ms (no frame drops)

i take from this numbers that it isn't working as intended on my PC and i take this as a good thing.

[madshi]

I'm on a GTX 1070 OC.
I can't use NG1 medium image doubling for 1080p 60fps -> 4k -> WQHD with other stuff like HQ deband at the same time.
NGU medium: ~20ms
NNEDI3 32: ~18.5ms
NNEDI3 16: ~14.2ms (no frame drops)
Hmmmm... Seems to be a bit slower (compared to NNEDI3) on the 1070 than on my AMD 7750. For me NGU medium is a bit faster than NNEDI3 32.

How does NGU high compare to NNEDI3 64 for you?

FWIW I've also measured around a 0.49ms difference in total rendering time per shader (without flushing the GPU). Obviously this is only the case if the shaders are fast enough, but with a decent modern GPU (>=GTX 960) you can do a massive amount of computation before the computation time gets anywhere near 0.5ms.
Hmmm... Interesting.

Are there any paper's you'd recommend?
Not on a public forum... :)

I completely uninstalled EMET and rebooted afterwards. Still doesn't work.
:( Is there anything else special about your OS? Does NGU work for you?

i take from this numbers that it isn't working as intended on my PC and i take this as a good thing.
Agreed. It seems NGU achieves the expected speed with my AMD 7770 and with aufkrawall's NVidia 1070. So it's obviously not GPU manufacturer specific. I wonder if the 480 (driver) is special? Or maybe some GPU driver or OS setting is making problems?

[sneaker_ger]

:( Is there anything else special about your OS?
Nothing that comes to my mind.

Does NGU work for you?
According to the OSD: yes. ("chroma > NGU-med")

[VenomousNinja]

I can confirm that either the shortcuts (or showing/hiding the OSD using Ctrl+J) is broken in 0.91.
Same for me. Win 7 x64 SP1, x64 madVR build + MPC-BE.

[madshi]

I can confirm that either the shortcuts (or showing/hiding the OSD using Ctrl+J) is broken in 0.91.
Still on XP?

According to the OSD: yes. ("chroma > NGU-med")
Please check luma doubling. not chroma upsampling. The OSD is not conclusive for chroma.

[TheShadowRunner]

Still on XP?
Yes ^^;

[madshi]

Those of you with keyboard shortcuts (and probably NGU) not working:

1) Do you have f.lux running?
2) Or GpuZ?
3) Or FRAPS?
4) Or any other similar software which might access the GPU?
5) Do you use Reclock? Does it work if you disable Reclock?

[VenomousNinja]

Also in previous build I was able to preview settings on the fly - set picture on pause and changed various madVR settings - changes reflected immediately. Now any setting i'm playing with doesn't impact an image on the fly.

[sneaker_ger]

Please check luma doubling. not chroma upsampling. The OSD is not conclusive for chroma.
Not working, I think.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/u97c7f

[sneaker_ger]

1) Do you have f.lux running?
2) Or GpuZ?
3) Or FRAPS?
4) Or any other similar software which might access the GPU?
5) Do you use Reclock? Does it work if you disable Reclock?
None of the above.

Radeon HD 5850
Driver: 15.200.1046.0 WHQL (Catalyst 15.7)
Win 7 x64 SP1
Aero off

[aufkrawall]

How does NGU high compare to NNEDI3 64 for you?

720p 60fps -> WQHD, everything else than ordered dithering disabled, bilinear chroma scaling, CPU decoding:
NGU High: ~11ms
NNEDI3 64: ~9ms
NNEDI3 64 + SR3: ~11.85ms
Everything tested with full GPU clock.

[TheShadowRunner]

Those of you with keyboard shortcuts (and probably NGU) not working:

1) Do you have f.lux running?
2) Or GpuZ?
3) Or FRAPS?
4) Or any other similar software which might access the GPU?
5) Do you use Reclock? Does it work if you disable Reclock?

1, 2, 3 & 4: No.
5: Yes I do use Reclock, I tried without it (default directsound device): no change.

[huhn]

you know you can use the advanced render steps setting to get the ms used by NGU.

EDIT:
ShowRenderSteps all over rendertimes 32 ms and without 21 ms.

well that's interesting...

[Vegekou]

Those of you with keyboard shortcuts (and probably NGU) not working:

1) Do you have f.lux running?
2) Or GpuZ?
3) Or FRAPS?
4) Or any other similar software which might access the GPU?
5) Do you use Reclock? Does it work if you disable Reclock?

1) No
2) No
3) No
4) No. I tried to disable my AV but still no.
5) No

[VenomousNinja]

Seems no scaler is working as IQ doesn't react to changes.

[asmo42]

Would be great to get performance comparison results from different GPUs and OSs, NGU vs NNEDI3.

Win 10, GTX 970. NGU medium is about the same speed as NNEDI3 32 and NGU high about NNEDI3 128.

[clsid]

regsvr32 just hangs on Win10 (in VirtualBox).

[Siso]

Is it only me or the Ctlr+J shortcut is not working?

[aufkrawall]

you know you can use the advanced render steps setting to get the ms used by NGU.

Forgot that this is possible, but I don't think it would show anything interesting in my case.
(a hotkey for it which would also listed in the hotkey list would be nice)

[MariaX9]

The Shortcuts are only working when the Video is running.

Performance:
R9 GPU
chroma and image doubling NGU High: 20s
chroma and image doubling NNedi 64: 22s

[markanini]

From my testing soften edges is a rewquirement for live action. NGU medium doubling seems manageable on my HD7770 for SD and 720p on a 1080 display as long as other settings are defaults. Very impressive and happy to replace SuperXR-AB+SR.

[huhn]

looks like NGU doesn't like IVTC images and MPEG2 compression artifacts:
doubling into spline3 AR

NGU medium: https://img3.picload.org/image/rdwlpoao/ngu.png
XBR100: https://img3.picload.org/image/rdwlpoap/xbr100.png
nnedi3 256 SR4: https://img1.picload.org/image/rdwlwgdg/nnedi3sr4.png
source: https://abload.de/img/source2beugl.png

[thighhighs]

I try find suitable settings for me. Some answers will be helpfull:

med vs high quality difference big, or it like nnedi 32 vs 64?
Using NGU (med) for chroma upsampling (chroma upscaling section) add extra quality (vs bicubik 75, for example)? Or i just waste gpu resources?

In personal teste, these differences not obvious for me. Anyway, NGU looks great, even without SuperRes.

[JarrettH]

Is doubling worth it for 720p content on a 1080p monitor?

[cnckane]

I noticed that AMD video color settings are not applied in fullscreen mode when 1080p video is playing on my 1080p screen. The only difference is that there is a "Crop 2" procedure applied during the render.
If I use MPC HC zoom feature and outzoom the color settings are applied. Is there any way to make it work ? I use a combination of Madvr and AMD video settings, works fine with all videos except 1080p.

[madshi]

For those of you with keyboard shortcuts and NGU not working, please try this test build:

http://madshi.net/madVR91b.rar

Does it fix the problem?

[huhn]

Is doubling worth it for 720p content on a 1080p monitor?

i recommend you to try it out and ask your eyes.