madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[Georgel]

I was playing with the settings and found out cubic soft to work well with Anime, but its processing speed is quite slow for what I though it'd be.

Chroma, Upscaling and Downscaling all set to softcubic 100.

[cremor]

Hi madshi,

Maybe you already know it, but the german magazine PC Games Hardware published an article about madVR in its new issue 05/17.
I don't like the article very much. In my opinion it spends too much text to explain some technical details which are not important, like chroma upscaling, and doesn't highlight or describe the strengths of madVR enough. It also doesn't mention NGU at all. But maybe it can still increase the popularity of madVR a bit.

[Cinemancave]

I'm getting constant crashes upon starting MadVR at the moment. Everything was working just fine, then after having watched a 3D MKV the crashes started occuring upon entering fullscreen mode. Now I can't even start a video in windowed mode. This has happened to me a couple of months ago, but was fixed when I updated to latest MadVR. I've tried reinstalling to older versions, no difference. I tried older versions of MPC-HC just for the sake of it, and to no avail. If I choose another video renderer, everything is fine. But as soon as MadVR is loaded - boom =( This only seems to occur for me in Win 10, I've never had any problems in Win 7. How do I create and submit a crash report?

[Georgel]

I'm getting constant crashes upon starting MadVR at the moment. Everything was working just fine, then after having watched a 3D MKV the crashes started occuring upon entering fullscreen mode. Now I can't even start a video in windowed mode. This has happened to me a couple of months ago, but was fixed when I updated to latest MadVR. I've tried reinstalling to older versions, no difference. I tried older versions of MPC-HC just for the sake of it, and to no avail. If I choose another video renderer, everything is fine. But as soon as MadVR is loaded - boom =( This only seems to occur for me in Win 10, I've never had any problems in Win 7. How do I create and submit a crash report?

Windows and video card driver issues.

I experienced this type of error a lot back when Windows 10 was fresh and when my GPU didn't have a stable Nvidia driver.

Try reverting to an earlier video driver and disable auto update from windows.

[Cinemancave]

Windows and video card driver issues.

I experienced this type of error a lot back when Windows 10 was fresh and when my GPU didn't have a stable Nvidia driver.

Try reverting to an earlier video driver and disable auto update from windows.

Rolled back to an earlier Nvidia driver, solvet it. Thanks! :D

[Cinemancave]

I have started testing out Kodi with MadVR and have run into some minor issues. Does anyone have any suggestions on what script to use when streaming content from "less quality sources""? Right now, I have a rule in place that divides 4K content from lower sources, so that MadVR automatically uses different upscaling methods depending on the source (i.e. 4K and <4K). But what if I stream some content from less quality sources and want MadVR to choose a third upscaling rule for those. What would be a good way of identifying these sources in order to separate them from my local high quality 720p/1080p-content? I can't use height/width rules because they are the same as for <4K. I was thinkinbg maybe filepath, but I am not sure where Kodi stores streaming data (and sorry for asking this here then, as that is more of a Kodi issue). Any suggestions?

[Asmodian]

I use:
if (deintFPS<31)AND(srcWidth<=1024)AND(srcHeight<=576) "SDp30"
elseif (deintFPS<61)AND(srcWidth<=1024)AND(srcHeight<=576) "SDp60"
elseif (deintFPS<31)AND(srcWidth<=1280)AND(srcHeight<=720) "720p30"
elseif (deintFPS<31)AND(srcWidth<=1920)AND(srcHeight<=1088) "1080p30"
elseif ((deintFPS<61)AND(srcWidth<=1920)AND(srcHeight<=1088)) OR((deintFPS<31)AND(srcWidth<=4096)AND(srcHeight<=2160)) "2160p30"
else "Fast"

[Cinemancave]

I may have spoken too soon regarding the crashes. It seems that the combination Nvidia-card, MadVR and 3D is totally broken, for me at least, at the moment. Both under Win 7 and Win 10. If I do a fresh driver-installation, 2D works fine. As soon as I start enabling 3D, MPC starts crashing. Especially if I enable 3D playback for 2D movies in MadVR config. Under Windows 10, I thereafter cannot play anything, 2D or 3D. Under windows 7, I can go back to playing 2D just fine. I am really at a loss here :S

[XMonarchY]

Has anyone with the latest Windows Creator's Update been having dropped and repeated frames issues? I don't know whether its madVR or LAV Filter or ReClock issue, which for some reason uses CINEMA adaptation 24p on 23Hp content...

[djsolidsnake86]

anyone know how use smooth video project with madvr and mpc hc with k-lite codecs? i must download svp?

[huhn]

de install these codec pack thingy. install SVP, madVR and a player.

that should be all

[sciman]

Hello! I'm using madVR 0.91.5 + MPC-HC 1.7.10 on my laptop and i have a problem: when i start playback video first time after power up my laptop, i have about 40 dropped frames. But if I stop or pause video and play it again from the beginning everything is ok. How can i resolve this problem? Thank you in advance!
My hardware: Intel Core i5-6300HQ, 1Tb hard drive (not SSD), HD530 + GTX 960M, 8GB RAM. I think performance of my hardware must be enough, or may be i must buy SSD? I have already tried some older versions of madVR (0.89.12 and 0.91.4) and PotPlayer + madVR instead MPC-HC + madVR and option "delay playback start until render queue is full" but it doesn't help.

[huhn]

if the number isn't rising in playback you can ignore it.

my guess is that it takes some time bring the iGPU up to it's boost clock. changing the power settings may help and/or give you even bigger problems.

[djsolidsnake86]

de install these codec pack thingy. install SVP, madVR and a player.

that should be all

is better use svp?

[huhn]

compared to what?

i don't use it and i never will use it so i don't know about SVP quality.

[cork_OS]

is better use svp?
SVP can install/update MPC-HC w/LAV and madVR, so basically you don't need another separate codec pack.
Like another frame interpolation technologies, SVP output can contain interpolation artefacts. Note that smooth motion in madVR is another thing (just frame blending AFAIK).

[clsid]

SVP requires ffdshow as well. The codec pack provides up-to-date versions of everything. To use SVP the only extras needed are SVP itself and AviSynth. And configure MPC-HC to use ffdshow video processor:
MPC-HC options > External Filters > Add "ffdshow video processor" and set it as prefer.

SVP does not improve quality. It only creates an artificial smoothness by creating extra frames. Those new frames can have interpolation artifacts like mentioned above, which can be ugly. Also, due to the extra frames MadVR has to do much more work, which means you may have to use lower quality resize settings. SVP also requires significant GPU resources.

If quality is most important, than using SVP might not be best idea. If smoothness is not good enough, then there are also other solutions. For example smooth motion in MadVR. Or use automatic refreshrate changing in MadVR, in combination with a custom 24Hz refreshrate (nvidia users).

[Sunset1982]

My videos starting paused, have to hit start manually to start the playback. I think I have this problem since I updated to madvr 0.91.x.

Anyone with the same problem?

[Georgel]

SVP can cause drivers instability for Nvidia cards and certain cards / drivers / hardware configurations.

Happened to me on 4 different setups. One of them needed windows reinstall after SVP, the other three worked fine in the end.

I may have spoken too soon regarding the crashes. It seems that the combination Nvidia-card, MadVR and 3D is totally broken, for me at least, at the moment. Both under Win 7 and Win 10. If I do a fresh driver-installation, 2D works fine. As soon as I start enabling 3D, MPC starts crashing. Especially if I enable 3D playback for 2D movies in MadVR config. Under Windows 10, I thereafter cannot play anything, 2D or 3D. Under windows 7, I can go back to playing 2D just fine. I am really at a loss here :S

Did you have SVP installed at any point? It might cause some changes that require a windows reinstall. Had this happen on one laptop - good to be wary about.

Look in madVR settings, depending on the hardware, sometimes it is good to disable Exclusive FullScreen entirely and sometimes it is good to activate certain options in there. I played a ton until the setup was stable with certain card / motherboard / vBIOS configurations.

The last safe Nvidia driver was 373.06 for the unstable configurations, but Windows decided to play the mad man and install a ton of updates, updating my Nvidia driver in the process. If you use DDU, you should be able to stop windows from updating the Nvidia driver thus gaining full stability.

[digitech]

for me the latest Dmitrirender is way miles ahead of SVP in terms of quality and motion way more smooth, the only cons i see is that you have to buy it to keep it

[70MM]

for me the latest Dmitrirender is way miles ahead of SVP in terms of quality and motion way more smooth, the only cons i see is that you have to buy it to keep it

$11.00 is very much cost, how does it differ to SVP and is it alot better? Can it play content @60?

[digitech]

$11.00 is very much cost, how does it differ to SVP and is it alot better? Can it play content @60?
You can try it for free for one month, thats what im doing, and i really want to buy it, its expensive buy i think it worth it

[70MM]

will it work with JRiver?

[digitech]

will it work with JRiver?
i think its only compatible with MPC

[Georgel]

for me the latest Dmitrirender is way miles ahead of SVP in terms of quality and motion way more smooth, the only cons i see is that you have to buy it to keep it

Given the cost of a computer to actually use it and enjoy it, the cost of every movie DVD / Blu Ray, 11$ is not that expensive.

On the other hand, if they offer a lifetime licence for that money, that also covers future updates, it makes it so much better of a deal.

I'll throw an eye over it and report back ;)

[bcec]

What level of NNEDI3 neurons does NGU-AA roughly corresponds to in terms of image quality? For instance, NGU-AA (very high) ~= NNEDI3 256? NGU-AA (high) ~= NNEDI3 128? etc

[Georgel]

http://i.imgur.com/gplEPNm.png

Tried it, Dmtri render results in green screen as long as it is turned on... No idea why. Is it compatible with madVR?

I would consider it only if they work together ^^

What level of NNEDI3 neurons does NGU-AA roughly corresponds to in terms of image quality? For instance, NGU-AA (very high) ~= NNEDI3 256? NGU-AA (high) ~= NNEDI3 128? etc

No exact idea, but I notice very few differences above 32 Neurons. Maybe my content is not sharp or detailed enough for me to notice the differences, but cannot tell. NGU around -AA high looks very good to me, cannot say what is its equivalent in Neurons, but it looks nice

[digitech]

Tried it, Dmtri render results in green screen as long as it is turned on... No idea why. Is it compatible with madVR?

I would consider it only if they work together ^^

Of course it works with MadVr that's why i posted that im using it, on first install Dmitrirender disabled MadVR and used the MPC default render, i just changed back to MadVR and all was working again

[ashlar42]

Sorry for the offtopic but these solutions, SVP or dmitriRender, don't they just offer something similar to the "soap opera" effect that you can see on TV with motion interpolation?

[Q-the-STORM]

Sorry for the offtopic but these solutions, SVP or dmitriRender, don't they just offer something similar to the "soap opera" effect that you can see on TV with motion interpolation?
That's exactly what they do, they do frame interpolation, like TVs...

[StinDaWg]

for me the latest Dmitrirender is way miles ahead of SVP in terms of quality and motion way more smooth, the only cons i see is that you have to buy it to keep it
Reviews don't seem too hot...
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170950

[strumf666]

Latest post in that thread is over 2 years old...

[digitech]

Reviews don't seem too hot...
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170950
That's a very old version reviewed (from 2014), the last one is 3.0.0.1, im trying the free version right now and have no complains, just the message that appears from now and then, but it will be no longer once i buy it, maybe you should try it and see if it fits your needs.
That's my last post about Dmitrirender so we can go back on topic

[Q-the-STORM]

That's a very old version reviewed (from 2014), the last one is 3.0.0.1
The 3.0.0.1 update is from 2015, while SVP's last update was today... Don't think many people will buy software that basically is abandonware...

[ryrynz]

Don't think many people will buy software that basically is abandonware...

OT discussion over.

What level of NNEDI3 neurons does NGU-AA roughly corresponds to in terms of image quality? For instance, NGU-AA (very high) ~= NNEDI3 256? NGU-AA (high) ~= NNEDI3 128? etc

Comparable like that for the most part, depends on what you're looking for, with some content you won't see much of a difference. Since I use mine for anime it's about natural appearance of low resolution aliased lines.
I quite like the high or very high settings with extra sharpness, not a fan of the low setting but hey it does run real time on low end integrated graphics.. Try doing that with NNEDI3.

I wouldn't rule out Super-XBR from the game either.

[kopija]

Sorry for OT question.
Is it possible to install Nvidia driver only and then somehow disable those pesky features like adaptive contrast and video enhancements that are only configurable through Nvidia Control Panel?
Thanks.

[Ver Greeneyes]

Is it possible to install Nvidia driver only and then somehow disable those pesky features like adaptive contrast and video enhancements that are only configurable through Nvidia Control Panel?
I'm pretty sure installation of the control panel is integrated with installation of the driver itself. But I don't think adaptive contrast is on by default. Video enhancements are I suppose, you could get around that by disabling DXVA decoding if your CPU is good enough.

[Asmodian]

Only "Use inverse telecine" is on by default in the Nvidia drivers, everything defaults to "Use the video player setting".

[Budtz]

I tried running a few 4k hdr files. I have a Haswell 4 core cpu at 4.3ghz but it just maxes out the cpu and I get stutters. Is there any way to run this stuff or do I need a kaby lake. I use lav filters and use cuvid with the 4k box enabled but I don’t know if that helps with these files. is it couse my 1060gtx cant decode it?

Also, I have the default hdr settings but faces seem to be very red. Colors are off somehow with hdr it seems. I have a non hdr tv but shouldn’t madvr convert it?

[sneaker_ger]

GTX 1060 should be fine. Update LAV + madvr to latest versions and reset the settings. Set LAV Video to use DXVA2 (copy-back) and tick the "(UHD) 4K" and "HEVC" checkboxes. In madvr settings go "devices">[your display]>"hdr" and set display nits until it fits your screen. Video is HEVC, right? If it doesn't look right post a sample. Maybe the file is broken or something.

[XMonarchY]

I am sure nobody cares about my ignorant FYI inputs as everyone thinks they are purely user-errors, but after I cleanly installed the new Windows 10 Pro x64 Creator's Update, I started seeing many dropped/repeated frames and glitches with settings that always produced none of those issues. This affected only Exclusive Fullscreen mode with ANY settings (including frame-ahead settings) in madVR during playback of normal 1080p 23.976p content on my 1080p HDTV at 23.970Hz for normal 23.976/24p content, but there were no frame drops/repeated or glitches on my 120Hz monitor in Exclusive Fullscreen mode! Window mode (or non-exclusive Fullscreen mode) was not affected.

On my TV at 23.970Hz it would always show "1 dropped/repeated frame every 5-30 seconds" regardless of madVR, ReClock (official or beta), LAV Filters (official or nightly) or MPC-HC x86 (official or nightly) settings. I mean I tried many MANY settings in madVR and ReClock and none did anything helpful, although I noticed that ReClock would always say it is using CINEMA 24p/24Hz adaptation for regular/normal 23.976p content and oddly it detected my 23.970Hz refresh rate as 24.000Hz for hardware display. I don't remember if that was the case before.

I figured that maybe the issue is in refresh rates and I finally fixed this issue for Exclusive Fullscreen by removing 1080p23 entry from madVR as a possible refresh rate (even though my TV shows 23Hz, 24Hz, 29Hz, 30Hz, 59Hz, and 60Hz for possible refresh rates) and leaving 1080p24 at the lowest possible refresh rate to be used for 23p/24p content. Now it says "1 frame drop every 2-3 hours, even at very-high quality GPU-demanding settings). I don't know what this means, but if you suddenly find yourself in a similar situation, see if using 24.000Hz instead of 23.970Hz solves the issue.

Also, NVidia just released new drivers (381.62) with official support for Creator's Update - so maybe something did change in Creator's Update that earlier NVidia drivers (378.92) did not support or worked-well with.

[nussman]

Did you tried 23p without reclock?

[cyber201]

Hi to all. Finally Windows 10 Creators Update is out and the new nVidia Driver with WDDM 2.2 are out.
The new driver are 381.65.
But with Kodi + madvr settings for passthrough the HDR metadata don't work.
My tv Samsung KS8000 don't change into HDR mode.

Maybe a new version of madvr can fix this?
Thanks a lot

[XMonarchY]

Did you tried 23p without reclock?

Yeap and I tried with MPC-HC x64 too, but at 23Hz setting there is constant and consistent frame drop and glitching.

I just used DDU to cleanly get rid of old drivers and installed the new ones - the problem is still there, but I guess I do not mind it since 24.000Hz and 23.970Hz are so close and neither are 23.976Hz, so ReClock is necessary.

With new drivers I also noticed that in some games, I can now only select 59.97Hz refresh rate instead of the usual 60Hz. I think its Creator's Update that messed something up...

[nevcairiel]

But with Kodi + madvr settings for passthrough the HDR metadata don't work.
My tv Samsung KS8000 don't change into HDR mode.


HDR metadata pass-through is not supported yet.

[nsnhd]

Hi to all. Finally Windows 10 Creators Update is out and the new nVidia Driver with WDDM 2.2 are out.
The new driver are 381.65.
But with Kodi + madvr settings for passthrough the HDR metadata don't work.
My tv Samsung KS8000 don't change into HDR mode.

Maybe a new version of madvr can fix this?
Thanks a lot
Someone on avsforum managed to do that:
Did the Windows 10 and NVIDIA updates, and confirmed HDR working on my B6P via MPC-HC and madVR using HDR passthrough and a 1060 card. The desktop looks like crap - *way* too blue - so the next order of business is hunting down some HDR mode settings.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-high-dynamic-range-hdr-wide-color-gamut-wcg/2575889-enable-hdr-pc-3.html

[cyber201]

Someone on avsforum managed to do that:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-high-dynamic-range-hdr-wide-color-gamut-wcg/2575889-enable-hdr-pc-3.html

The problem is that HDR mode is ON or OFF manually by Windows Screen Settings.
If I turn it ON, all content show in HDR mode. Normal video, windows dekstop and all color are washed. But if I disable the HDR mode in windows, all content is show in normal mode.
MADVR is always setup to passthrough HDR content to the display.
The switch from HDR on and off is not automatically.

[nevcairiel]

This just enables HDR output mode, it does however not actually achieve metadata pass-through. madVR is not setup to do that yet.

[Cinemancave]

What does MadVR do with the HDR metadata? I've tried playing back HDR content with the "passthrough option" and it looks really good when the display is in HDR mode, so if MadVR isn't passing it through, what conversion is taking place?

[Asmodian]

Using passthrough no conversion is taking place but it also doesn't send the metadata, madVR is simply discarding it/not sending it. You would need to manually configure your display to match the metadata, if possible.