madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[ashlar42]

To detect how and when to activate RCA and RRN, it would be nice to have access to mediainfo's bitrate in order to combine it with resolution of video. It probably couldn't be fully automatic but, at least at the single user level, one could further combine it with source folder naming to have broad categories to act upon.

Just my two cents.

[mzso]

To detect how and when to activate RCA and RRN, it would be nice to have access to mediainfo's bitrate in order to combine it with resolution of video. It probably couldn't be fully automatic but, at least at the single user level, one could further combine it with source folder naming to have broad categories to act upon.

Just my two cents.

I think having increase/decrease/reset-to-zero hotkeys for them like for contrast/black-level/etc would make their use more practical.

[cork_OS]

I think having increase/decrease/reset-to-zero hotkeys for them like for contrast/black-level/etc would make their use more practical.
It's already exist and working. :D
Atm I think I'll probably remove (always disable) the "don't reduce texture detail" option, because it sometimes leaves ugly artifacts in the image, even at very high algo strength, which doesn't make too much sense.
Any strong objections, anyone?
No. RCA@4 itself is pretty damn good.

[mzso]

It's already exist and working. :D

Nope. Doesn't seem like it.

[Rexian]

I started having this problem a few weeks ago with no change I could point to. Since then I upgraded to the latest versions of pretty much everything -
madVR 0.92.5 then 0.92.7 today
mpc-hc 1.17.11 then 1.17.13 today
Lav 0.70.2
nvidia 287.92 (updated from 285.xx today)

Both mpc-hc and mpc-be work fine in a window (TV recognizes HDR videos) but the screen goes dark as soon as I press alt+enter (audio continues) and then when the picture comes back after few seconds, it crashes.

Here are the settings -
nvidia
http://i63.tinypic.com/24b3huc.jpg

LAV
http://i64.tinypic.com/2hnbbck.png

madVR prop
http://i66.tinypic.com/110g2ro.jpg

madVR reder
http://i63.tinypic.com/xnf2q9.jpg

Also tried disabling FSE. Screen doesn't go dark but crashes right away -
http://i67.tinypic.com/n1oynb.jpg

Updating to W10 Build 1709 now... anything else should I try? Thanks for any pointer.
No known workaround?

[Pat357]

Nope. Doesn't seem like it.

Look in the Madvr settings all below ''User interface'' and search for "deblocking strength increase/decrease" : you can assign a shortcut for each.

[Pat357]

No known workaround?

nvidia 287.92 (updated from 285.xx today)

Can you pls recheck the version from Nvidia drivers ? (IIRC the latest GF divers have an issue, stick with 385.69 or 385.41)
Does this also happen after resetting Madvr to default settings ? Try to figure this out first.
Why do you still use "windowed overlay'' in your Madvr settings ?
You could also update LAV to the latest nightly (see OP LAV-filters)

What video-card do you use ?

[Rexian]

Can you pls recheck the version from Nvidia drivers ? (IIRC the latest GF divers have an issue, stick with 385.69 or 385.41)
Does this also happen after resetting Madvr to default settings ? Try to figure this out first.
Why do you still use "windowed overlay'' in your Madvr settings ?
What happens if you explicitly choose your video card in LAV-video instead of "automatic" ?
You could also update LAV to the latest nightly (see OP LAV-filters)

What video-card do you use ?

Thanks Pat. You are of course right - I was on 387.XX. I had upgraded from 385.XX a while ago and it was working so never considered downgrading.

I tried disabling overlay as well as selcting 1050 TI in LAV - same result. I also upgraded to W10 Fall update.

I'll now go back to 385.69 and see if that helps. There are too many variables now after the W10 update ...

[Oguignant]

Hi! I have problems in "Pc mode" when playing HDR with my TV. I do not know why, the colors look different with less brightness. My Tv is a LG OLED C7P.
I think it's because of the color range, but in my tv in "Pc modte47a e/HDR" it is locked. If I change the label of "Pc mode" to HDMI it works perfect bit is 422. Any idea why? The difference between 444 and 422 is visible?

[mzso]

Look in the Madvr settings all below ''User interface'' and search for "deblocking strength increase/decrease" : you can assign a shortcut for each.
Hmmm... Denoising would be the "remove random noise" feature? Because that only goes up to 5 instead of 12.

@madshi
I'd like to note that madVR takes away a lot of potential shortcuts by not allowing a bunch of valid characters on my keyboard, by falsely claiming they're invalid: "íéáűöüóőú". That's nine, plus "." and "," both become "decimal" and neither of them work so, nor does "/*-+" that's +5.
Seeing as media players already use a lot of shortcuts this greatly aggravates an already bad situation.

(I don't understand why software typically don't read keycodes and modifiers and thus are perpetually bugged on non-english keyboards)

[Oguignant]

Hi, one question, in "display mode-> list all displa modes madvr may switch". Is there any way to specify the bits? For example, some way to automaticaly change from 2160 60Hz 8-bit to 2160 23Hz 12-bit? Without going to the nvidia panel, of course...

[Razoola]

Hi, one question, in "display mode-> list all displa modes madvr may switch". Is there any way to specify the bits? For example, some way to automaticaly change from 2160 60Hz 8-bit to 2160 23Hz 12-bit? Without going to the nvidia panel, of course...

I think most HW today cannot do 2160p 60Hz at 12 bit RGB, at least thats the way it is for for my setup with a 2016 panel. This means if I set 23Hz 12bit RGB in the nvidia control panel, when madVR switches to 2160p 60Hz the graphic driver will automatically goto 8bit. If madVr then goes back to 2160p 23Hz the driver will return to 12bit.

You are right though, it would be very nice to choose bit depth in both resolution switching and in the custom resolution setup (if possible).

[ashlar42]

Hmmm... Denoising would be the "remove random noise" feature? Because that only goes up to 5 instead of 12.

@madshi
I'd like to note that madVR takes away a lot of potential shortcuts by not allowing a bunch of valid characters on my keyboard, by falsely claiming they're invalid: "íéáűöüóőú". That's nine, plus "." and "," both become "decimal" and neither of them work so, nor does "/*-+" that's +5.
Seeing as media players already use a lot of shortcuts this greatly aggravates an already bad situation.

(I don't understand why software typically don't read keycodes and modifiers and thus are perpetually bugged on non-english keyboards)
If RCA and RRN can be remote controlled (and from what I read and see in the control panel they could), having access to bitrate in the profiles configuration would make everything even more perfect. :D

[noee]

Hi! I have problems in "Pc mode" when playing HDR with my TV. I do not know why, the colors look different with less brightness. My Tv is a LG OLED C7P.
I think it's because of the color range, but in my tv in "Pc modte47a e/HDR" it is locked. If I change the label of "Pc mode" to HDMI it works perfect bit is 422. Any idea why? The difference between 444 and 422 is visible?

YOu might need a webOS upgrade (http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7-oled#comparison_830)...

[Oguignant]

YOu might need a webOS upgrade (http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7-oled#comparison_830)...

I have the latest version of fw 04.70.06. HDR is activated correctly, but the colors look different, more muted ... if I change the label to hdmi they look perfect.

[mclingo]

Hi, one question, in "display mode-> list all display modes madvr may switch". Is there any way to specify the bits? For example, some way to automatically change from 2160 60Hz 8-bit to 2160 23Hz 12-bit? Without going to the nvidia panel, of course...

+1 for that but we could also do with:

(Resolution)(bit)(Colour space)

i.e

(2160p@24)(8)(4:2:0)

[leandronb]

Hi guys. Just did a fresh install of windows 10 fall creators update, and installed mpc and madvr. video plays fine but when i enter fullscreen it goes black. Sound is playing and i can see the mouse pointer, but no video. When i leave fullscreen the buttons of mpc are all black
Also if i press the right mouse button the menu shows up and video too, but after a few seconds it goes black again. EVR Custom works fine.
madvr 0.92.7.
I had the same problem. It appeared that the D3D11 setting in madvr (rendering->general settings->Use Direct 3D 11...) was disabled. I enabled it and restarted MPC BE and problem was solved.

This worked!
But i wasn't using d3d11 on previous install and was working fine.

[Oguignant]

+1 for that but we could also do with:

(Resolution)(bit)(Colour space)

i.e

(2160p@24)(8)(4:2:0)

replace 2160p23 for 2160p23+1? says invalid

[mclingo]

replace 2160p23 for 2160p23+1? says invalid

I wasnt suggesting you put that in the display modes, that was just an example of what could be put in there if this was further developt as per your suggestion, mine is currently set as:

1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, 1080p50, 1080p60, 2160p24, 2160p60

[Pat357]

I recently updated my Nvidia drivers to 385.41 (uninstalled older using DDU).

My display measurements were still there, so it did not take to long before I had set everything up to the state I was before updating the drivers.
I tested different input files and checked on Madvr OSD whether the '1 frame repeat every .... " was still far above a normal movie length (order > 1 day).

So everything was working !

Today I noticed madvr didn't switch to the correct mode no longer : every file was played @60Hz.

I went to custom modes setting in Madvr and tested some optimised modes: for every mode I got
"GPU driver rejected this mode, for unknown reason".

Even for the default modes (CTA, CTF, ...) I got the same error.

Anyone knows how to get rid off this error ?
Will deleting all custom modes and start over help ?
Reinstalling the display drivers ? anything else ?

[njfoses]

Looks like new Nvidia driver 388. is out.

[fedpul]

If RCA and RRN can be remote controlled (and from what I read and see in the control panel they could), having access to bitrate in the profiles configuration would make everything even more perfect. :D+1 vote on that aspect. Profiles linked to bitrate would be excellent for RCA and RRN.

Enviado desde mi MI 4LTE mediante Tapatalk

[Razoola]

Looks like new Nvidia driver 388. is out.

Has anyone tried it to see if it fixes HDR not turning off correctly?

[oldpainlesskodi]

Has anyone tried it to see if it fixes HDR not turning off correctly?

Yep - avoid,

K

[jkauff]

I installed the Win 10 Fall Creators Update again yesterday. Older and wiser now, when the update process was finished, I re-installed my monitor drivers (hosed by the update), ran DDU and installed the new Nvidia drivers, re-booted just for the hell of it, and opened madVR. Custom resolutions were gone, of course, but I re-added them, ran Optimize successfully, and everything now works as it should.

Took me most of the evening, but at least I'm good to go for another 6 months.

[mzso]

I installed the Win 10 Fall Creators Update again yesterday. Older and wiser now, when the update process was finished, I re-installed my monitor drivers (hosed by the update), ran DDU and installed the new Nvidia drivers, re-booted just for the hell of it, and opened madVR. Custom resolutions were gone, of course, but I re-added them, ran Optimize successfully, and everything now works as it should.

Took me most of the evening, but at least I'm good to go for another 6 months.

Nice, crappy process. True to MS.

BTW, can you upgrade normally via windows update, or do you need some other methot as it was with 8.1? (I'm not on 10)

[Ver Greeneyes]

BTW, can you upgrade normally via windows update, or do you need some other methot as it was with 8.1? (I'm not on 10)
Users of Windows 10 should eventually get the update automatically, but they can kickstart it using the Update now button on this page (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10).

[aufkrawall]

You can also always just download the iso, mount it (Windows can do that) and run the installer.

[tocirahl]

Hi! I have problems in "Pc mode" when playing HDR with my TV. I do not know why, the colors look different with less brightness. My Tv is a LG OLED C7P.
I think it's because of the color range, but in my tv in "Pc modte47a e/HDR" it is locked. If I change the label of "Pc mode" to HDMI it works perfect bit is 422. Any idea why? The difference between 444 and 422 is visible?

This is a known bug on the C7P.

HDR is not working correctly in PC mode as it locks the display to an 8-bit mode. See more here:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/2928408-2017-lg-oled-master-information-thread.html

[Rexian]

Yep - avoid,

K

Thanks, was about to try that!

Update for Pat: Thanks, Fall Creator's update working with with 385.69 (FSE disabled, but that's fine for now).

[Sarlaith]

Ps Madshi there is a bug when you create a Profile under Devices.
Every keystroke causes you to go back to the HDR screen (annoying)

[ryrynz]

He knows about it, it's a bug that's been around for a while, since I've really been the only person to mention it it's been left on the back burner.
Use copy and paste, it helps.

[Sarlaith]

He knows about it, it's a bug that's been around for a while, since I've really been the only person to mention it it's been left on the back burner.
Use copy and paste, it helps.

lol yeh that's what I ended up doing.
Type it in notepad and then copy-paste it into the profile window :)
Didn't know it got mentioned before tho, sorry ^^

[jkauff]

A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?

Prices are reasonable now, but I have no interest in broadcast or streaming 4K (except for baseball games), nor in UHD Blu-ray discs. Should I make the jump, or just stay with my 1080p setup?

[ryrynz]

Only make the jump if you're purchasing a screen with a better panel than the TV you already have (black level, brightness, motion resolution)
Changing the screen technology or upgrading the size will have a bigger impact on quality than anything else, OLED's are amazing..
Don't bother if you're not watching 4K or HDR content yet, but you'll want to upgrade sometime in the next few years anyway.

[Cinemancave]

Is there a way of having a keyboard-shortcut to toggling on and off some of the HDR Settings in real-time? I specifically would like to be able to switch "send HDR metadata to the display" on and off without having to go into the menus.

[mclingo]

A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?

Prices are reasonable now, but I have no interest in broadcast or streaming 4K (except for baseball games), nor in UHD Blu-ray discs. Should I make the jump, or just stay with my 1080p setup?

thats subjective mate, adding a small amount of sharpening using NGU does to my eye but its negligable, only get a 4K TV if you are going to be actually watching native 4k stuff, or plan to.

[ashlar42]

A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?Looking "better" is subjective. I'd be inclined to answer that no amount of upscaling can actually make something look "better" than the original, unscaled content. Others' opinions on the matter may differ. But I'd say that a 1080p quality screen is the best place to watch 1080p content.

[PurpleMan]

Hey guys,

Just a quick one because I'm not sure and I'm losing my mind.

I have a Geforce 1050 connected to a Sony X940E to an HDMI port with full bandwidth (and the TV configured to 'enhanced HDMI' mode to enable it).

Should I be able to set my NVIDIA card to output 4k60 12bpp RGB?
I can't seem to be able to do that (only 4k60 12bpp 4:2:0) and was wondering if that's normal?

Thanks

[ddjmagic]

Is there a way of having a keyboard-shortcut to toggling on and off some of the HDR Settings in real-time? I specifically would like to be able to switch "send HDR metadata to the display" on and off without having to go into the menus.

Yes, you can use a profile group - click on your listed device > create profile group > Choose which options you want for the group (HDR) > then you can rename/duplicate the HDR group with your required settings and add a keyboard shortcut to activate between them.

Should I be able to set my NVIDIA card to output 4k60 12bpp RGB?
I can't seem to be able to do that (only 4k60 12bpp 4:2:0) and was wondering if that's normal?

Yes that's normal, the current HDMI 2.0 spec doesn't support it (4K60 RGB 12bit)

[PurpleMan]

Yes that's normal, the current HDMI 2.0 spec doesn't support it (4K60 RGB 12bit)

Thank you. Just to make sure, 4:4:4 shouldn't work either, correct?

[ddjmagic]

Thank you. Just to make sure, 4:4:4 shouldn't work either, correct?

That's correct, the table of supported formats can be found here (https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx#146) :)

[Razoola]

A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?

Prices are reasonable now, but I have no interest in broadcast or streaming 4K (except for baseball games), nor in UHD Blu-ray discs. Should I make the jump, or just stay with my 1080p setup?

This really comes down to the size of the TV you want to buy. If your talking about 65 inch then yes its worth to move up to 4k. If your on a 55 inch then maybe not so unless you want to take advantage of HDR

[madshi]

No, the image is cleaner with it off.

Here is what RCA can do at 4 with grain added to a pretty bad source :

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121322

I really like the result in motion, no more disturbing artifacts :)
Nice!

I tried to play the same file from my Win10 VM on the Mac and the menu played fine, whether XySubFilter was selected or not.

So I did some debugging on the HTPC and realized that in order to NOT have the issue, I had to select anything but D3D11 in LAV Video configuration (on the MacBook Pro VM it works fine with D3D11 too).

If I select any other hardware acceleration option on the HTPC (I tried none and DXVA2 Copy-back), the menu displays perfectly both with XySubFilter and with another subtitle option.

Does that make any sense to you/NevCairiel?
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least not if madVR would be at fault. I'm not sure if LAV does anything differently for DVD menus when using D3D11 decoding, that would be a question for nevcairiel.

Cool. Are you planning to sell it for money?
If you're not a plugin for a free and simple image editor would be far more accessible for people like me who only use these casually.
Photoshop plugins are supported by several Windows photo tools. So it makes the most sense. Any other plugin type is specific to only one tool, which makes no sense to me.

I'd like to note that madVR takes away a lot of potential shortcuts by not allowing a bunch of valid characters on my keyboard, by falsely claiming they're invalid
At some point madVR is going to just record which keys you press. But I didn't have the time to properly implement that yet.

Hi, one question, in "display mode-> list all displa modes madvr may switch". Is there any way to specify the bits? For example, some way to automaticaly change from 2160 60Hz 8-bit to 2160 23Hz 12-bit? Without going to the nvidia panel, of course...
Not planned for the near future, sorry. Maybe when I re-design the display mode selection page.

I went to custom modes setting in Madvr and tested some optimised modes: for every mode I got
"GPU driver rejected this mode, for unknown reason".

Even for the default modes (CTA, CTF, ...) I got the same error.
My PC has been doing this for a long time already. I don't know how to fix it. Nvidia GPU driver problem.

A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?
This really comes down to the size of the TV you want to buy. If your talking about 65 inch then yes its worth to move up to 4k. If your on a 55 inch then maybe not so unless you want to take advantage of HDR
It comes down to viewing angle! If you sit very far away from a 65 inch TV, then 4K won't help. If you sit very very close to a 30 inch TV, then 4K will be helpful. The highest benefit is probably for projection users because they usually have the biggest viewing angles.

If you do sit "close enough", then a 1080p Blu-Ray upscaled to 4K with madVR should look better than using a 1080p display. How much better will depend on the exact viewing angle, the quality of the 1080p Blu-Ray (the higher the better) and the sensitivity of your eyes.

After updating to Windows 10 Fall update, exclusive fullscreen mode no longers works just black video with audio. I am using MPC-BE. Hardware acceleration is set to DXVA2 (copy-back).
I started having this problem a few weeks ago with no change I could point to. Since then I upgraded to the latest versions of pretty much everything -
madVR 0.92.5 then 0.92.7 today
mpc-hc 1.17.11 then 1.17.13 today
Lav 0.70.2
nvidia 287.92 (updated from 285.xx today)
Hi guys. Just did a fresh install of windows 10 fall creators update, and installed mpc and madvr. video plays fine but when i enter fullscreen it goes black. Sound is playing and i can see the mouse pointer, but no video. When i leave fullscreen the buttons of mpc are all black
Please downdate to 385.x drivers. The 387.x/388.x drivers are bad.

As we know, there are much more blocky when video is in motion than static views, especially if the video stream is poorly encoded, like constant bitrate for both scenes. Is it possible for some kind of adaptive strength or algorithm been applied to RCA in the future?
Maybe, maybe not.

Looking "better" is subjective. I'd be inclined to answer that no amount of upscaling can actually make something look "better" than the original, unscaled content. Others' opinions on the matter may differ. But I'd say that a 1080p quality screen is the best place to watch 1080p content.
Sorry, but that's incorrect. All else being equal, given 1080p vs 4K displays with "perfect fillrate", watching 1080p content on a 1080p display is 100% identical to watching 1080p content on a 4K display using Nearest Neighbor upscaling. And Nearest Neighbor upscaling is probably the worst algorithm to upscale an image.

@madshi

https://www.dropjiffy.com/f/0XGTIKYO
http://www.solidfiles.com/d/dkNGYNV38NGAY
http://katfile.com/xfn10nq0r9xp

3 url，same file

thx for your reply，wish this bug to be fixed
Hmmmm... That's pretty weird. It's a crash in the OS "DXGI" dll. Don't know how to solve this right now. But it only occurs if you suspend/resume your PC, right? In that case I don't consider it crucially important right now, to be honest...

[huhn]

Sorry, but that's incorrect. All else being equal, given 1080p vs 4K displays with "perfect fillrate", watching 1080p content on a 1080p display is 100% identical to watching 1080p content on a 4K display using Nearest Neighbor upscaling. And Nearest Neighbor upscaling is probably the worst algorithm to upscale an image.

i have to disagree on this. NN looks hideous on my screen i guess this comes downed to the subpixels and the results is not 100% the same as a 1080p.

[madshi]

i have to disagree on this. NN looks hideous on my screen i guess this comes downed to the subpixels and the results is not 100% the same as a 1080p.
What I said is a scientific fact. I explicitly talked about displays with "perfect fillrate", though. In real life no display has a perfect fillrate, so it's not as clear cut in real life as it is in theory. Still, if a 1080p display and a 4K display have identical properties (other than resolution), there's no way the 1080p will be able to compete with the 4K display, if you use madVR quality upscaling.

[patul]

Please downdate to 285.x drivers. The 287.x/288.x drivers are bad.


Hi Madshi,

I'm experiencing reproducible crash with 378.78 driver (1050 Ti), MPC-HC keeps crashing when RCA is on. Is this also case of bad driver?

Thanks

[madshi]

Sorry, I meant 385.x, not 285.x, of course.

[Manni]

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least not if madVR would be at fault. I'm not sure if LAV does anything differently for DVD menus when using D3D11 decoding, that would be a question for nevcairiel.


Thanks, I haven't heard back from him, I'll post in the LAV thread if he doesn't reply here.

[wushantao]

Hmmmm... That's pretty weird. It's a crash in the OS "DXGI" dll. Don't know how to solve this right now. But it only occurs if you suspend/resume your PC, right? In that case I don't consider it crucially important right now, to be honest...
bad news，but maybe somedays it can be solved ：D