madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[leeperry]

Repeating a feature wish will not change my mind or speed implementation up.
well, you didn't say anything about disabling the OSD(which is only useful for troubleshoot purposes), and took the assumption that all mVR users would use menus...waiting 3 secs is a waste of time when you don't, it makes me feel like I'm running an old computer like when I was using this thing (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.oc.com.tw/99/990119.asp&ei=kxiBTJa7MqWK4gbBisX_Cw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBcQ7gEwAjgU&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522voodoo%2Bmovie%2522%252B3dfx%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN) on a 3DFX Voodoo back in the days. If you decide to reject both requests, fine...just trying to help here.
I don't consider drops *during* a seek operations as a problem. 5 seconds after a seek is another story, though.
I was talking about the windowed/exclusive modes switches...maybe you could make them seamless somehow? they almost are sometimes.

[Luv]

Zero pb with 0.30 and ZP 5.02 as usual.Superb work!
Madshi,since you created a tray,couldn't be possible to call and reset the OSD from there ?

[robpdotcom]

I might have forgotten to execute the install.bat with 0.29, could this have caused the problem :confused:?

Shouldn't be necessary. Don't know what caused the problem or why it's gone again now.

I always uninstall/delete the old version, then install the new version - Is it ok to simply extract the latest version into the directory containing the previous version?

[andybkma]

Hi, madshi, am not sure if this is a bug or just a byproduct of the exclusive mode but I figured I would report it anyway. Am on XP SP3 using Zoom Player 7 Max and newest .30 madVR but the below problem has existed since you implemented exclusive mode.

If I'm downloading something using Internet Download Manager (IDM) (http://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/) and if it's "Download Complete" dialog screen pops up behind Zoom Player while using madVR in exclusive mode, when I go back to window mode I get a big square blur in the middle of Zoom Player instead of seeing IDM's normal "Download Complete" dialog (see screens). Is this normal? Will any pop-up dialog look all amiss since it was "forced into hiding" by exclusive mode? Thanks...



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[nlnl]

madshi
Thanks fo .30 :)).
Now no black screen starting playback :).

MadIcon shows now audio and video track!
Can madvr output audio/subs track info to the screen when switching audio/subs and starting playback (what is current video/audio/sub tracks when MPC starts playback)?
Thanks!

[pankov]

madshi,
I really like your work and I'm glad you keep working on this amazing renderer.

I think I found a small bug with the new version (0.30).
if I use ZP + Haali Media Splitter I get the following streams available for switching in ZP but I miss the ones in the red oval in mad* home cinema control.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6172/missingstreamswtich.th.png (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/missingstreamswtich.png/)

If I use MPC's matroska splitter I don't get any option to switch streams. Do you think this is normal?

P.S.
I've sent you PM with a link to a sample

[madshi]

Scenario #1: Play a video maximized, pause it, open MPC's option dialog, cancel it, play video again --> madVR drops 7 frames.

Scenario #2: Play video, pause it, minimize MPC window, maximize it, play video again --> madVR drops 7 frames.

madshi, is this "by design" or a bug?
Not sure about #2, but #1 is definitely a bug.

If you decide to reject both requests, fine...just trying to help here.
I have not rejected either request, nor have I confirmed that I will implement them. I've heard your requests, and I'm not sure yet whether I will implement them.

Just trying to help? LOL. Come on, be honest. This is not about trying to help. This is about trying to get the features you want! ;)

I was talking about the windowed/exclusive modes switches...maybe you could make them seamless somehow? they almost are sometimes.
There's nothing I can do. The delay is mostly caused by the OS/DirectX. In theory it should be faster in win7, but it doesn't seem to be, either.

Madshi,since you created a tray,couldn't be possible to call and reset the OSD from there ?
Possible yes. You're talking about the statistics etc, right? The statistics OSD is a pure debug device. I hope that it will be needed less and less, as madVR improves. So I don't think it's worth it adding it to the tray icon.

I always uninstall/delete the old version, then install the new version - Is it ok to simply extract the latest version into the directory containing the previous version?
In most cases it's ok to simply extract. Deletion should never be necessary. Uninstall/reinstall might sometimes be necessary, but only in rare cases...

Hi, madshi, am not sure if this is a bug or just a byproduct of the exclusive mode but I figured I would report it anyway. Am on XP SP3 using Zoom Player 7 Max and newest .30 madVR but the below problem has existed since you implemented exclusive mode.

If I'm downloading something using Internet Download Manager (IDM) (http://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/) and if it's "Download Complete" dialog screen pops up behind Zoom Player while using madVR in exclusive mode, when I go back to window mode I get a big square blur in the middle of Zoom Player instead of seeing IDM's normal "Download Complete" dialog (see screens). Is this normal? Will any pop-up dialog look all amiss since it was "forced into hiding" by exclusive mode? Thanks...
A properly written window is expected to be able to redraw itself when it's finally seeing the light of day, ehm, the top of the chain. If the download manager doesn't do that properly then that's probably a bug in the download manager. In any case, there's nothing I can do about it.

Can madvr output audio/subs track info to the screen when switching audio/subs and starting playback (what is current video/audio/sub tracks when MPC starts playback)?
I'm not sure if I should do that because it might collide with MPC HC's own OSD. Which does not work - yet, but will sooner or later. Let's wait until the MPC HC OSD works, and if there's then still a need to add further OSD output messages to madVR, I'll consider it.

I think I found a small bug with the new version (0.30).
if I use ZP + Haali Media Splitter I get the following streams available for switching in ZP but I miss the ones in the red oval in mad* home cinema control.
madVR currently strictly only offers video, audio and subtitle tracks for switching. This "Theatrical" vs. "Extended" switch is something completely different. I wouldn't know where to sort it in in the current tray icon menu. It's not a bug, madVR simply limits itself to only list video, audio and subtitle streams. Not sure if I should also offer streams for selection with an unknown type...

If I use MPC's matroska splitter I don't get any option to switch streams. Do you think this is normal?
Yes, that's as expected, because MPC's internal MKV splitter does not expose the streams via the official DirectShow interfaces.

[leeperry]

There's nothing I can do. The delay is mostly caused by the OS/DirectX. In theory it should be faster in win7, but it doesn't seem to be, either.
Well, you're the magician...it was a simple question, and yes I guess the OS is at fault...but sometimes it's almost seamless, and you seem to have quite a talent at alleviating barriers anyway ;)
This is about trying to get the features you want
You can rest assured that if I would fancy some features like 1)no obnoxious OSD 2) switching w/o an unnecessary delay 3)PS based gamut mapping, many other ppl would too :cool:

When the horrid OSD showed up in MPC, the first thing ppl asked for was how to disable it...and who wants to bummer until the end of days creating a 3DLUT when a simple script (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=912720) can do it in a matter of seconds?

I thought the idea was to dumb down high end HTPC software, it doesn't help anyone to force your users to create 3DLUT's that need to be double-checked for accuracy w/ a colorimeter forever, and to also force them to manipulate and wait while loading 100MB files.

Each time I've provided you w/ valuable logs, it was in everyone's interest...including minehttp://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/zytradance.gif. I honestly believe that we all aim at the same goal but perfect software doesn't exist, and mVR being free its bangs for bucks ratio will always be stellar anyway...so no worries and thanks for your fantastic work.

[djsolidsnake86]

what are the best video quality settings for hd4850?

[madvr]

Hi Madshi...
(do you like my username?) I have been using madVR since 0.17... it is amazing. I wish you would put a paypal gift link on page one, I really think it is important to support this renderer! It is the dogs danglies!
Keep up the great work, Jim

:thanks:

[Razoola]

I know its been mentioned before about the statistical osd stats taking cycles. I'm wondering if it would be possible to have an option where instead of being overlayed ontop of the video it is instead planted in a page of the settings screen or in a popup window from the tray icon?

Also about the scaling algo's can I suggest you also add a bar showing gpu power needed as I feel that is quite important even though its not directly related to picture quality.

[yesgrey]

What kind of labels do you mean? Where and how?
For example a group box around them with a label on top, something like "Upsampling quality", or "Upsampling effect", or "Upsampling results"...

Moving to the top doesn't sound logical to me. The settings should come first and not some helper graph.
Agreed.

Moving to the right would be possible, but then I've plans to put some "other" stuff there in a future version... ;)
I thought that would be your answer... ;)
How about moving the drop down box to the right of the first radio button? You can shrink it a little, and the label is wide enough to keep it on context. This way it would never appear over the graph... The only problem I see from this solution is that the users might feel that the box is related to the radio box item on its left...
To avoid that, another option would be using a "List box" control the size of all radio buttons. This way all available modes (for the radio button selection) would be always visible, and you could even put something like "None" in the algorithms that have only one setting...

The tray icon is for all of my DirectShow filters. madVR is only one of them. So the tray icon settings don't belong in the madVR settings dialog.
So it doesn't belong in the madVR dialog too. I think the logic could be perfectly valid with the tray icon setting inside each of your filters "edit settings" dialogs, it would be enough for you to name it like "mad* tray icon" in all your filter settings. This way, the users would be able to activate/deactivate it in each of your filters. If you still prefer the current way, I'm OK with that, I only think it's bad to click one more time to open the settings dialog... Also, please consider decreasing the size of the buttons. IMHO the buttons size should not be much larger than the text...

Another thing. When in fullscreen, if we open the settings dialog the player switches from fullscreen into a window, and that's not very nice... is it a limitation of the new dialog implementation?

[yesgrey]

One small thing.

If I enable the tray icon on madVR and then disable it on the tray icon settings it disappears, as it should. Later, if I enable it again on madVR and then edit the tray settings it still shows that the tray icon should not be visible, but it is. I think you should reset that setting to the default (show local) whenever the tray is activated on madVR filter.

[Neeto]

Hmmmm... Before the settings rewrite SoftCubic100 was not a supported option for luma resampling. Probably that's where the problem is coming from. I'll fix that for the next build. But honestly: For luma scaling SoftCubic100 is not really recommended. Much too soft.



Agreed, just thought you should know it's not sticking :)

Keep up the good work - just wating for the DVD fix now & the Media Center version of PotPlayer & I'll be able to inflict this on the rest of the family :eek:

[6233638]

When pausing a video for more than a few minutes in exclusive and trying to resume, MadVR is crashing in 0.30

[lych_necross]

I would like to see a button in the settings menu that restores the default settings. Now, users have to delete the settings file manually restore the default values. This feature would make it easier.

[ryrynz]

When pausing a video for more than a few seconds and trying to resume, MadVR is crashing in 0.30

Might wanna post a log, I don't have any issues with pausing.

On a seperate note, I Set up fullscreen refresh changing in MPC and on 23.976 fps film it correctly sets to 23.976Hz, but then changes back straight away to 59.94Hz.
This problem only occurs when fullscreen exclusive mode is enabled.

[pie1394]

Changed from 0.27 to 0.30, and the Black Screen issue of the 1st playback when Win7 OS is booted is now fixed.

But I just noticed that madVR 0.30 does not work any more with MPC-HC's Auto-refresh rate changer ... It was work with 0.26 / 0.27.

[Rain1]

I can't edit setting in madVR 0.3 although I already allow madHcCtrl.exe in windows firewall (both inbound & outbound)

I'm using Win 7 & only windows firewall

[madshi]

do you like my username?
Yes, but with the "VR" upper case it would have been even better... :)

I have been using madVR since 0.17... it is amazing. I wish you would put a paypal gift link on page one, I really think it is important to support this renderer! It is the dogs danglies!
Thanks. No donations for now. Maybe later...

I know its been mentioned before about the statistical osd stats taking cycles. I'm wondering if it would be possible to have an option where instead of being overlayed ontop of the video it is instead planted in a page of the settings screen or in a popup window from the tray icon?
Would be possible, but then the seekbar and the "exclusive/windowed" popups etc also use the same logic and consume the same time, so I don't think it's worth it.

Also about the scaling algo's can I suggest you also add a bar showing gpu power needed as I feel that is quite important even though its not directly related to picture quality.
I've thought about that when I designed those bars, but then decided against it, don't remember why... :confused:

How about moving the drop down box to the right of the first radio button? You can shrink it a little, and the label is wide enough to keep it on context. This way it would never appear over the graph... The only problem I see from this solution is that the users might feel that the box is related to the radio box item on its left...
To avoid that, another option would be using a "List box" control the size of all radio buttons. This way all available modes (for the radio button selection) would be always visible, and you could even put something like "None" in the algorithms that have only one setting...
As I said before, the space at the right side of the scaling options is reserved for something else. So I cannot move anything to the right side.

I don't really see the problem, though. You can click on that combobox, then close it, and then simply use the up/down keys. That way you can quickly compare without anything covering the bars...

So it doesn't belong in the madVR dialog too. I think the logic could be perfectly valid with the tray icon setting inside each of your filters "edit settings" dialogs, it would be enough for you to name it like "mad* tray icon" in all your filter settings. This way, the users would be able to activate/deactivate it in each of your filters. If you still prefer the current way, I'm OK with that, I only think it's bad to click one more time to open the settings dialog...
One more click? What do you mean?

I don't want to move the tray icon settings into the madVR settings, because if I did, the tray icon would have to open and read all settings of all my DirectShow filters at startup, I don't really like that idea.

Also, please consider decreasing the size of the buttons. IMHO the buttons size should not be much larger than the text...
If I make them much smaller, the whole window will be extremely small. I've tried that, looks extremely ugly.

Another thing. When in fullscreen, if we open the settings dialog the player switches from fullscreen into a window, and that's not very nice... is it a limitation of the new dialog implementation?
You mean on a dual monitor setup? Or what do you mean? Of course madVR has to switch to windowed mode, since the settings dialog is a GUI window and if it covers the madVR rendering space, madVR *has* to switch back to windowed mode. But maybe I don't understand what you mean?

If I enable the tray icon on madVR and then disable it on the tray icon settings it disappears, as it should. Later, if I enable it again on madVR and then edit the tray settings it still shows that the tray icon should not be visible, but it is. I think you should reset that setting to the default (show local) whenever the tray is activated on madVR filter.
I've thought about that, but the problem is that I can not really know for sure whether the user really wants to change the global tray icon setting or whether he only wants to see the tray icon menu temporarily. Also if he does want to change the global setting, I can not know for sure which setting he wants to change the tray icon to. The default might not be what he wants. What I could do is to change the button to "reset tray icon settings to default" or to "show tray icon settings". But to be honest, I prefer it the way it is.

BTW, if you manually start madHcCtrl.exe, it has the same effect as when clicking on that button in the madVR dialog: The tray icon appears and does not go away unless you manually change/confirm the tray icon settings or if you manually "exit" the tray icon.

[madshi]

When pausing a video for more than a few minutes in exclusive and trying to resume, MadVR is crashing in 0.30
Can you create a log for me, please?

I would like to see a button in the settings menu that restores the default settings. Now, users have to delete the settings file manually restore the default values. This feature would make it easier.
Requested and replied to earlier in the thread.

On a seperate note, I Set up fullscreen refresh changing in MPC and on 23.976 fps film it correctly sets to 23.976Hz, but then changes back straight away to 59.94Hz.
This problem only occurs when fullscreen exclusive mode is enabled.
But I just noticed that madVR 0.30 does not work any more with MPC-HC's Auto-refresh rate changer ... It was work with 0.26 / 0.27.
As I said before, madVR will soon get its own auto refresh rate changer, so I will not look into any problems with madVR vs. MPC-HC's auto refresh rate change.

I can't edit setting in madVR 0.3 although I already allow madHcCtrl.exe in windows firewall (both inbound & outbound)

I'm using Win 7 & only windows firewall
Can you get the tray icon to show up? What happens if you try to open the settings? Do you get an error box? What does it say?

[yesgrey]

As I said before, the space at the right side of the scaling options is reserved for something else. So I cannot move anything to the right side.

You can click on that combobox, then close it, and then simply use the up/down keys.
I was thinking just right beside the scaling options, but only the drop list, not the graph. The graph would remain at the bottom, the right place to be, but OK, your suggestion solves the problem.;)

One more click? What do you mean?
Well, we have to right click for opening the selection dialog, and then click in the button to edit the settings. Previously it was enough the right click.

I don't want to move the tray icon settings into the madVR settings, because if I did, the tray icon would have to open and read all settings of all my DirectShow filters at startup, I don't really like that idea.
Yes, that doesn't make sense. I was thinking the other way round. Showing/hiding the tray should be a tray setting, so, each of your filters would change it directly on the tray settings file, so no more need for read each filter settings...

If I make them much smaller, the whole window will be extremely small. I've tried that, looks extremely ugly.
Agreed, but I was thinking only on shrinking the buttons. Is the dialog automatically created? If not you only need to resize the buttons...

You mean on a dual monitor setup? Or what do you mean? Of course madVR has to switch to windowed mode, since the settings dialog is a GUI window and if it covers the madVR rendering space, madVR *has* to switch back to windowed mode. But maybe I don't understand what you mean?

I was not referring to changing from exclusive mode to windowed mode, but about changing from fullscreen to a window, like when we hit ctrl+enter.

I've thought about that, but the problem is that I can not really know for sure whether the user really wants to change the global tray icon setting or whether he only wants to see the tray icon menu temporarily...
It would all be solved if you also put the tray showing setting on your filters "edit settings". You could show all the options, and then it would be clear. The only downside of this is that every time you develop a new option for the tray icon showing you would need to update all your filters settings, but will that happen often?

[entrecour]

I have what is probably a noob issue - I haven't seen it reported by anyone else at least.

I am running W7, MadVR 0.3, and MPC-HC 1.3.1249.0.

I keep getting Macrovision fail in MPC-HC every time I run a dvd (whether on hd or on a dvd drive). If I change to another renderer e.g. Custom EVR I can play the dvd with no problems.

Any suggestions as what I could try to fix this?

[madshi]

Yes, that doesn't make sense. I was thinking the other way round. Showing/hiding the tray should be a tray setting, so, each of your filters would change it directly on the tray settings file, so no more need for read each filter settings...
My settings GUI is strictly tied to the settings classes. The GUI can not show what the settings classes don't contain. Of course I could change that. But it would cost quite a bit of extra work and it would make the GUI code less well structured.

I was not referring to changing from exclusive mode to windowed mode, but about changing from fullscreen to a window, like when we hit ctrl+enter.
MPC HC does that, ZP not. I don't think it's madVR "fault". I think MPC HC does that if it loses focus to another application, or something like that. And the new madVR settings dialog is shown by madHcCtrl.exe, so probably that makes MPC HC go windowed. There's probably not much I can do about it.

It would all be solved if you also put the tray showing setting on your filters "edit settings". You could show all the options, and then it would be clear. The only downside of this is that every time you develop a new option for the tray icon showing you would need to update all your filters settings, but will that happen often?
That's not the only downside. The other downside is that IMO the tray icon settings simply do not belong into the madVR configuration dialog, logically. Changing the tray icon settings in the madVR configuration dialog and then having them also affect all other mad* filters would likely confuse some users sooner or later.

I don't really see the problem, anyway. The *only* situation where that "show tray icon" button is EVER going to be used is if a user has first disabled the tray icon and then changes his mind. That will likely happen for only a very small amount of users (most will probably use the default settings) and probably only once or twice in their lifetimes. So I don't really think we need to spend hours on fine tuning that button's behaviour. I mean if there was a clearly better solution, sure. But your suggestion has upsides and downsides, as has the current solution.

[madshi]

I keep getting Macrovision fail in MPC-HC every time I run a dvd (whether on hd or on a dvd drive). If I change to another renderer e.g. Custom EVR I can play the dvd with no problems.
That's a known problem. madVR currently is not able to playback DVDs with menu on Vista or Windows 7. It works on XP. It's some kind of copy protection or something like that, implemented in the Microsoft DVD navigation filter used by MPC HC. It's on my to do list to check whether I can fix it, but there are a couple of other things on my to do list which have a higher priority right now.

You can play the VOB files directly, though.

[entrecour]

You can play the VOB files directly, though.

OK - Thanks. I got the VOB files to play by the way.

[yesgrey]

My settings GUI is strictly tied to the settings classes. The GUI can not show what the settings classes don't contain. Of course I could change that. But it would cost quite a bit of extra work and it would make the GUI code less well structured.
OK, I understand. It's only a little annoying to have to click one button to edit the settings, but since I only do it rarely it's not a big issue. ;)

MPC HC does that, ZP not.
I stopped using ZP because madVR used to work better with mpc-hc, but madVR improved a lot since then, so I think it's time to try ZP again...

[egandt]

madvr 0.30 fixed the ZP over flow error. However it is still not entering exclusive mode for these videos, I guess that the only remaining question, I've included the MediaInfo output below if that helps any.

Thanks
ERIC


General
Complete name : E:\Videos\Current\Movies\DVD Rips\ZZZ\YYY.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 700 MiB
Duration : 1h 10mn
Overall bit rate : 1 398 Kbps

Video
ID : 0
Format : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile : Advanced Simple@L5
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, QPel : No
Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix : Default (MPEG)
Muxing mode : Packed bitstream
Codec ID : XVID
Codec ID/Hint : XviD
Duration : 1h 10mn
Bit rate : 1 005 Kbps
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 272 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.231
Stream size : 503 MiB (72%)
Writing library : XviD 1.2.1 (UTC 2008-12-04)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 2000
Duration : 1h 10mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 192 MiB (27%)
Alignment : Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration : 40 ms (1.00 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration : 500 ms

[Rain1]

Can you get the tray icon to show up? What happens if you try to open the settings? Do you get an error box? What does it say?

Thanks for your quick reply

I got the same error message with or without choosing "Show Tray Icon" when I try to edit the setting:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/rain1/screen1-1.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/rain1/screen2-1.png

I already allow madHcCtrl.exe in Windows Firewall (both inbound and outbound rules):

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/rain1/screen3-1.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/rain1/screen4-1.png

EDIT: I just want to add that madVR does work (when playing vids), I just can not edit the setting

[Mark_A_W]

madshi

I've been playing around with your new tray icon - very nice, I like the performance bars for the scaling settings.

And I like the ZP controls....but it seems to me that the logical next step is to couple that with the windows play/stop/etc controls (like from my keyboard) or MCE controls and an MCE remote. At the moment I have an MCE remote running with Eventghost, but it's very flaky (Eventghost doesn't recognise the signals accurately), and I can't use the specific buttons like PLAY with ZP or I get double hits when ZP is in focus (one through Eventghost, one through Windows). If we could ditch EventGhost and just make it work (and stop the double responding when in focus), it would really start to clean things up.

Keep up the good work, don't forget a Paypal donation page.

Cheers

Mark

[pankov]

My settings GUI is strictly tied to the settings classes. The GUI can not show what the settings classes don't contain. Of course I could change that. But it would cost quite a bit of extra work and it would make the GUI code less well structured.

That's not the only downside. The other downside is that IMO the tray icon settings simply do not belong into the madVR configuration dialog, logically. Changing the tray icon settings in the madVR configuration dialog and then having them also affect all other mad* filters would likely confuse some users sooner or later.

I don't really see the problem, anyway. The *only* situation where that "show tray icon" button is EVER going to be used is if a user has first disabled the tray icon and then changes his mind. That will likely happen for only a very small amount of users (most will probably use the default settings) and probably only once or twice in their lifetimes. So I don't really think we need to spend hours on fine tuning that button's behaviour. I mean if there was a clearly better solution, sure. But your suggestion has upsides and downsides, as has the current solution.

madshi, you've said it best:
"the tray icon settings simply do not belong into the madVR configuration dialog"
so why even bother putting the "intermediate" window with the two buttons? Personally I'd prefer to have it in the following way:
1. If I select madVR's filter properties I should get directly it's settings window - after all I selected "madVR's properties", not "tray icon config".
2. If I accidentally/intentionally removed the tray icon and want to show it back I can simply start madHcCtrl.exe and configure it to show the tray icon again. ... Well it can be made easier if there were some shortcuts in the start menu ... but since this is only the beginning of "madHC" life we can still live without real installer and shortcuts.

what do you think? what about you yesgrey?

and one more thing
madshi, can you, please, redesign the positioning of the windows?
In the following monitor configuration

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the settings windows (both madVR's settings or tray icon config) show up partly in the bottom right corner of the first display and in the top left one of the second display and it's very annoying.
I understand that madHcCtrl.exe is a separate application and it's the one that's actually showing the settings but I think you should aim not for "desktop center" but for "owner form center" (the one of the player if it's on the same PC) ... or at least "screen center". I suppose this will need some coordinates/handles passing between madVR DX filter and madHcCtrl.exe but I think this will be better default behavior. It will be nice if you can also add an option to select on which monitor the settings should show up ... but I think this should only be an extra - not an requirement to get better usability on a single PC with multiple monitors environment.

These are not of great importance so don't take my post as a criticism but only as an attempt to help you design a better application/system.

[pankov]

Mark_A_W,
I think you can configure ZP to not respond to the multimedia keys that MCE remote is sending. I don't use MCE remote but I believe that using a custom media/DVD key file you can remove the "multimedia" keys.
This way you'll avoid the double hits.

[Keiyakusha]

Can I ask what is the progress on subtitles input pin, compatible with mpc-hc?

[yesgrey]

what about you yesgrey?
I like the idea, but the last (and only :D) word is from madshi.

[Razoola]

Its a real pity MPC-HC fullscreen screensize / refresh rate changer is broken with 030. I know your going to add your own to madVR and have already said you will not look at this problem yet but whats happening with 030 is quite strange. Reclock for example thinks the change has happened when it has not and its not often reclock misses that. It goes without saying this problem causes major dropped or repeated frames.

I'm also still trying to decide if I like the tray icon or not, I do however like the suggestion pankov has made and going from what you have said it makes sence not to have the tray icon options button when choosing madvr filter settings from within a player.

[namaiki]

madshi: what would you think of putting "taskkill /F /IM madHcCtrl.exe /T" or something like that into the uninstall.bat, since you will/might be updating that file in each new madvr.zip and that program seems to run in the background.

[pankov]

Mark_A_W,
I think you can configure ZP to not respond to the multimedia keys that MCE remote is sending. I don't use MCE remote but I believe that using a custom media/DVD key file you can remove the "multimedia" keys.
This way you'll avoid the double hits.
Mark,
here is a topic from Zoomplayer's forum that contains a similar request and a solution
http://forum.inmatrix.com/index.php?showtopic=10837

[*Touche*]

madshi, is madVR in any way affected if madHcCtrl.exe is blocked from starting? As far as I can see, everything works correctly, but will madHcCtrl be necessary in the future to use madVR?

[scoz]

Enabling "anyone" to build madVR controllers would be easily possible by publishing the "madHcNet.dll" interface and allowing anyone to distribute that dll with their software. That would work only for win32 applications, though. For other OSs it would be a lot more complicated. E.g. for iPhone support someone would have to replicate the exact same network "protocols" madVR is using.

If you wanted to post some sort of protocol description I'd be willing to create and maintain a corss-platform library for it. I assume you have plans for expanding on the idea but maybe you could leave in a simple "mobile" protocol for the basics? Would be really awesome to create a nice remote program that could do more than a simple universal remote. Seeing the name of audio and subtitle streams would be nice on a remote.

That's a known problem. madVR currently is not able to playback DVDs with menu on Vista or Windows 7. It works on XP. It's some kind of copy protection or something like that, implemented in the Microsoft DVD navigation filter used by MPC HC. It's on my to do list to check whether I can fix it, but there are a couple of other things on my to do list which have a higher priority right now.

Is there any way to use a different navigation filter with MPC? I've tried the default Microsoft DVD filter, MPC internal, and fdshows but they all die when using madVR.

[madshi]

madvr 0.30 fixed the ZP over flow error. However it is still not entering exclusive mode for these videos, I guess that the only remaining question, I've included the MediaInfo output below if that helps any.
Have you enabled the "Overlay covers the entire video area" option in ZP? That option must be enabled for madVR to enter exclusive mode with videos that don't match the aspect ratio of your display.

I got the same error message with or without choosing "Show Tray Icon" when I try to edit the setting

I already allow madHcCtrl.exe in Windows Firewall (both inbound and outbound rules)

EDIT: I just want to add that madVR does work (when playing vids), I just can not edit the setting
I guess you need to allow your media player to communicate, too, because madVR is loaded inside of the media player process. BTW, you don't need to allow madVR to do everything. madVR just needs to be able to communicate with the local PC (127.0.0.1), that should be good enough. Anyway, I'm thinking of adding another network logic for communication on the local PC, so that these firewall problems disappear. Adding madVR to your firewall will then only be necessary if you want to remote control it.

And I like the ZP controls....but it seems to me that the logical next step is to couple that with the windows play/stop/etc controls (like from my keyboard) or MCE controls and an MCE remote. At the moment I have an MCE remote running with Eventghost, but it's very flaky (Eventghost doesn't recognise the signals accurately), and I can't use the specific buttons like PLAY with ZP or I get double hits when ZP is in focus (one through Eventghost, one through Windows). If we could ditch EventGhost and just make it work (and stop the double responding when in focus), it would really start to clean things up.
I've no idea about MCE controls and the MCE remote. What would I have to do to make that work?

madshi, you've said it best:
"the tray icon settings simply do not belong into the madVR configuration dialog"
so why even bother putting the "intermediate" window with the two buttons? Personally I'd prefer to have it in the following way:
1. If I select madVR's filter properties I should get directly it's settings window - after all I selected "madVR's properties", not "tray icon config".
If you do "DirectShow filters -> properties", that property window is *not* created by madVR, but by the media player. DirectShow then asks madVR to add its own controls into the window. I cannot simply surpress this media player window and replace it with my own settings window. Well, ok, I could, by implementing some system wide hooks, but that would be a rather nasty solution. Furthermore, at least in MPC HC, opening that DirectShow properties window also adds a 2nd tab with the pin connection media type information, which is often useful for debugging purposes.

2. If I accidentally/intentionally removed the tray icon and want to show it back I can simply start madHcCtrl.exe and configure it to show the tray icon again. ...
Yeah, you're right, but it is not an obvious/intuitive solution. I can guarantee you that there would be a "how can I get the tray icon back?" question on this forum every other day, if manually starting madHcCtrl.exe was the only solution.

Well it can be made easier if there were some shortcuts in the start menu ... but since this is only the beginning of "madHC" life we can still live without real installer and shortcuts.
Yeah, a shortcut in the start menu would be nice solution. But then, personally, I prefer software which doesn't have to be installed, which you can simply copy to a folder of your liking and then use it there. I also don't like having start menu shortcuts for every DirectShow filter in my start menu. Ok, this is a matter of taste, I'm aware of that. Maybe I'll write an installer sooner or later, but that would be extra work and I've so much more important stuff to do first.

can you, please, redesign the positioning of the windows?
Yes, already planned for the next release. My intention was to always open the settings dialog on the center of the primary monitor. The current behaviour on multi monitor PCs is a bug.

Can I ask what is the progress on subtitles input pin, compatible with mpc-hc?
It's on my to do list, but not implemented yet.

madshi: what would you think of putting "taskkill /F /IM madHcCtrl.exe /T" or something like that into the uninstall.bat, since you will/might be updating that file in each new madvr.zip and that program seems to run in the background.
Yeah, good idea, something like that would make sense.

madshi, is madVR in any way affected if madHcCtrl.exe is blocked from starting? As far as I can see, everything works correctly, but will madHcCtrl be necessary in the future to use madVR?
madHcCtrl.exe is responsible for the tray icon menu and for showing the settings dialog. So as long as you want to edit the settings or use the tray icon, you will have to allow madHcCtrl.exe to start. Why would you want to block it, in the first place? madVR.ax is an executable file, too, and could in theory do just as much damage. If you think that my software is "dangerous" and needs to be blocked, in order to be safe you will have to block both madHcCtrl.exe and madVR.ax. Of course then madVR will not work at all.

[madshi]

If you wanted to post some sort of protocol description I'd be willing to create and maintain a corss-platform library for it.
Wow, that's cool! I honestly didn't expect that... :)

I'll write up a protocol description. If you want, you can drop me an email and I'll send you the documentation as soon as I've finished writing it.

I assume you have plans for expanding on the idea but maybe you could leave in a simple "mobile" protocol for the basics?
There is a basic layer to send commands with parameters and get replies form the other side. This layer is practically set in stone and will probably not be changed, anymore. Everything else if just a question of which commands are sent and whether the other side understands the commands. E.g. stopping the media player is done by sending the command "stop" without parameters. And jumping 30 seconds backwards is done by sending the command "seek" with the parameter "-30". So basically if you implement the basic network layer for sending commands and getting replies, you should be pretty much safe for all future madVR versions.

Implementing the full network protocol might be quite a bit of work, though, because it's somewhat complex.

Would be really awesome to create a nice remote program that could do more than a simple universal remote. Seeing the name of audio and subtitle streams would be nice on a remote.
Agreed.

Is there any way to use a different navigation filter with MPC? I've tried the default Microsoft DVD filter, MPC internal, and fdshows but they all die when using madVR.
I'm no expert on this, but from what I've heard using the MS filter is currently the only supported DVD playback method with MPC HC. But I'm not 100% sure, that's more a question for the MPC HC thread.

[Rain1]

I guess you need to allow your media player to communicate, too, because madVR is loaded inside of the media player process. BTW, you don't need to allow madVR to do everything. madVR just needs to be able to communicate with the local PC (127.0.0.1), that should be good enough. Anyway, I'm thinking of adding another network logic for communication on the local PC, so that these firewall problems disappear. Adding madVR to your firewall will then only be necessary if you want to remote control it.

Thanks a lot !

[6233638]

When pausing a video for more than a few minutes in exclusive and trying to resume, MadVR is crashing in 0.30
Can you create a log for me, please?madVR - log.7z - 0.02MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/8016503921d5eab0/)

1. Played video for a few seconds.
2. Paused video for approx 20s.
3. Tried to resume video, frozen.
4. Connected to system via VNC - this throws up a reclock error when aero is disabled that lets me quit MPCHC. (I have no keyboard attached to the system)

[mark0077]

deleting as resolved.

[madshi]

madVR - log.7z - 0.02MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/8016503921d5eab0/)

1. Played video for a few seconds.
2. Paused video for approx 20s.
3. Tried to resume video, frozen.
4. Connected to system via VNC - this throws up a reclock error when aero is disabled that lets me quit MPCHC. (I have no keyboard attached to the system)
Thanks. The logs tell me that the decoder thread is stuck inside of madVR, but I'm not sure why exactly. The log doesn't tell me that. Unfortunately I can't reproduce the problem here, so this will be difficult to fix. But let's give it a try. I've added a few log outputs to v0.31. Can you please create another log with v0.31? That will probably still not allow me to fix the problem, but at least I should be able to get a little bit nearer to the cause of the problem.

[madshi]

madVR v0.31 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

* fixed: sometimes frames were incorrectly dropped in paused state
* fixed: SoftCubic100 didn't stick for Luma up/downscaling
* fixed: media player icon was not transfered correctly from win7 to XP
* local communication is not done via TCP/IP, anymore -> no firewall problems
* the exe/dll/ax files are now signed to reduce anti virus false alarms
* added reference vs. system "clock deviation" information to OSD
* added information about estimated number of dropped/frames per second to OSD
* uninstall.bat now automatically removes the tray icon
* added new option "delay switch to exclusive mode for 3 seconds"
* renamed some settings folders
With v0.31, madVR should not need any special treatment by your firewall, anymore. If your firewall asks, you can block madVR/madHcCtrl. However, of course it you do block madVR/madHcCtrl, you will not be able to remote control madVR over LAN.

[Razoola]

Thanks for the new version, will test it later.

I have a feeling using the new 3 second delay to exclusive mode will allow MPC-HC auto refresh rate change to work again as only exclusive mode was affected.

[fastplayer]

Scenario #1: Play a video maximized, pause it, open MPC's option dialog, cancel it, play video again --> madVR drops 7 frames.

Scenario #2: Play video, pause it, minimize MPC window, maximize it, play video again --> madVR drops 7 frames.

madshi, is this "by design" or a bug?
Both issues are fixed in 0.31. :thanks:

[6233638]

Thanks. The logs tell me that the decoder thread is stuck inside of madVR, but I'm not sure why exactly. The log doesn't tell me that. Unfortunately I can't reproduce the problem here, so this will be difficult to fix. But let's give it a try. I've added a few log outputs to v0.31. Can you please create another log with v0.31? That will probably still not allow me to fix the problem, but at least I should be able to get a little bit nearer to the cause of the problem.Looks like it happens after about 5s of being paused. If its less I can resume.

madVR - log.7z - 0.06MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/80168649ce4b899d/)

1. Paused after 1-2s
2. Resumed after approx 5s, freeze.
3. VNCed in again to kill MPCHC after another 5s.

[madshi]

Looks like it happens after about 5s of being paused. If its less I can resume.

madVR - log.7z - 0.06MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/80168649ce4b899d/)

1. Paused after 1-2s
2. Resumed after approx 5s, freeze.
3. VNCed in again to kill MPCHC after another 5s.
That was a good log! The decoder thread is stuck while madVR is trying to read the stream information (audio, video, subtitle tracks) from the splitter. This happens directly after you're restarting playback. This seems to be a splitter bug. Which splitter are you using? Is it the latest version of that splitter? Please list your full filter chain from source to video renderer (only video branch, audio doesn't matter), just to be safe. Thanks.