madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[6233638]

hi, it seems that DVD playback with navigation/menu is working in my win 7 after i installed 1.6.2.4902...i works well but in irregular maner... sometimes stuttering...but it does! it's something new or may be due to new mpc-hc? or i am luky today... i had always seen the win7 Macrovision failure with dvd on madvr.

https://i.minus.com/ibs8X0qv2j6lrz.png

thanks.

p.d: with mpc-hc 4922 macrovision fail again :)It's been working for months now, as long as you avoided ffdshow for audio decoding.

Rather than using the internal MPC decoder, you might want to try using ffdshow's MPEG2 decoder and see if that works with build 4922. (make sure you enable the DVD Decoding option (http://i.imgur.com/e212J.png) for the MPEG2 codec)


I'm curious though, what version of LAV Splitters are you using? DVD playback has been broken for me since 0.50.2+

[xiulet]

It's been working for months now, as long as you avoided ffdshow for audio decoding.

Rather than using the internal MPC decoder, you might want to try using ffdshow's MPEG2 decoder and see if that works with build 4922. (make sure you enable the DVD Decoding option (http://i.imgur.com/e212J.png) for the MPEG2 codec)


I'm curious though, what version of LAV Splitters are you using? DVD playback has been broken for me since 0.50.2+

i am using LAV Filters 0.50.5 ( lav filter and audio, not lav video) for video i am using internal mpc-hc codecs. But i very rare this situation :) i tried ffdshow time ago and dvd did not work with madvr.

i will see thanks.

[tschi]

create a "force full range input" folder in mVR's folder, et voilà :cool:
:thanks:

[sebnov]

Hello!!!
I have one question. Is this pc strong enough to play videos using madvr?
The pc is: CPU: Intel pentium E5300 2,60 ghz Dual core
GPU: ati radeon hd 4650 1gb DDR2
Ram : 2 gb

[namaiki]

Should be fine.

[kasper93]

@madshi

There is ugly bug on DVB channel switch, when AR/resolution change. IIRC you don't have DVB decoder so I will try to explain where is the problem and maybe you will be able to fix this. I hope you will be.
Tested with LAV Video Decoder, MPC-HC (latest versions).

case 1, MPC-HC window maximized.
http://pastebin.com/3Dwcsggk
No bug, everything seems to be fine.

case 2, MPC-HC window in normal state.
http://pastebin.com/mJ6m19WQ debug log is endless.
In that case first channel had different resolution than second one(but sometimes it also happen when resolution is the same). MPC-HC window after channel switch get bigger(whole screen), but not maximized.
result image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16282309/MPC-HC/%232301.png In madVR statistic "movie resolution" is 1920x1080 which is wrong, and this can be reason.

case 3; MPC-HC window in normal state, MS DTV-DVD Video Decoder
http://pastebin.com/AjL5VDdZ
In that case, there is no visual bug, but still something wrong happen in the log.

case 4; MPC-HC window maximized, MS DTV-DVD Video Decoder
http://pastebin.com/HJUUN5Y2

case 5; LAV Video Decoder and EVR-CP. mpc-hc window in normal state
http://pastebin.com/KBd412Gb

Visual bug is also present with ffdshow, but I guess it's the same reason that witch lav, except ffdshow also fail in maximized mode.

I know that you don't have DVB decoder, but maybe if you could resolve this endless EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED in debug log everything would work better?

File to test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16282309/LAV/AR.2.ts
In file mode this bug is not present, but with madVR we get three EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED --> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 8020; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 8020; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 8020; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576
And with EVR-CP there is only one
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 9016; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576

Maybe madVR doing it wrong? :o

Please try to change something in code, I will test and maybe we will be able to fix this issue.

EDIT:
I find old discussion about this bug, and test madVR 0.33. And it seems to work fine. First notable change is that after exiting from maximized state of mpc-hc window wideo is in right size. Now 0.82.5 it's very small.
Works fine with ffdshow and LAV. MS DTV-DVD Video Decoder seems to not work with madVR 0.33 al all.
With 0.33:
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 4600; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 4600; event: 0x0000000e (EC_PAUSED)
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 4600; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
1920x1080
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 4600; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
1920x1080
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 4600; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576
--> CMainFrame::OnGraphNotify on thread: 4600; event: 0x0000000a (EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED)
720x576

It still change window size to 1920x1080 but after it go back to proper size, and there is no bug and EC_VIDEO_SIZE_CHANGED is not reported all the time.


EDIT2:
I debug with patch attached to this ticket https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/2301 (This ugly Sleep()) and madVR works as expected, so I guess it's MPC-HC bug after all.

[sevenalive]

Please update your 1st post. From the changelogs, it looks like madVR now supports DXVA but it's still under the known problems.

Would also be good to update the comparison screenshots since many improvements and fixes have been made since then.

[Hypernova]

Please update your 1st post. From the changelogs, it looks like madVR now supports DXVA but it's still under the known problems.

Would also be good to update the comparison screenshots since many improvements and fixes have been made since then.

madVR does not support DXVA though. The other way I know of is the workaround from the decoder (LAV) which is not the same thing.

[Andre4]

Hello! please I would like to know how to use the full madvr, to get maximum quality, do not tell? read the whole forum a bit tense with a bad English,what where to put the check mark :)

[aufkrawall]

Hello! please I would like to know how to use the full madvr, to get maximum quality, do not tell?
Just leave everything at default as long as anything doesn't look wrong.

[Andre4]

perhaps there is somewhere a detailed FAQ for madvr + ffdshow... and LAV, and 120hz monitor, in general hodgepodge,or at least about codecs, help good people

[vivan]

Andre4,
Again - just install LAV (if you have ffdshow you will have to set "prefer" to LAV Decoder in External filters in MPC-HC) - and be happy ;)

[robpdotcom]

You don't really need to change anything unless you are having some problems. The only other things to change are the re-sizing algorithms, which are all subject to opinion - you just have to experiment to see what YOU like best.

If your monitor accepts 100Hz, I would add 100Hz and 120Hz to the display modes - that will cover all the main frame rates (24, 50, and 60).

[Qaq]

perhaps there is somewhere a detailed FAQ for madvr + ffdshow... and LAV
Advanced MPC-HC Setup Guide (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1357375)

[jeremy33]

perhaps there is somewhere a detailed FAQ for madvr + ffdshow... and LAV
Home Theater PC tutorial (http://www.homecinema-hd.com/intro_en.html)

[Andre4]

Thank you thank you thank you to all, default is all too easy,My muscle PC may more!

[Hypernova]

Windows 8 Release Preview works nicely with automatic exclusive mode. No fixing need. Nice!

[Rimsky]

Please tell me how to change default hot-keys?
Hot-key "CTRL+J" concur with photoShop and it aint good
Thanks!

[kasper93]

Please tell me how to change default hot-keys?

You can't.

New ATI/AMD drivers don't like madVR in exclusive mode
queues are not full and rendering stat can reach even 265ms... Before 10ms was max.

[6233638]

New ATI/AMD drivers don't like madVR in exclusive mode
queues are not full and rendering stat can reach even 265ms... Before 10ms was max.That's surprising (and disappointing) to hear.

I was just going to post that I recently had to do some troubleshooting as I was getting dropped frames on my system (turns out I had accidentally switched the audio renderer away from ReClock) but in doing so, I've found that the latest Nvidia drivers (301.42) now work perfectly with the default settings for fullscreen exclusive mode, when previously I had to be tweaking settings depending on the driver version.

With 30fps videos at 60Hz, it's not filling the queues, and the present queue even drops to "0–1/4" at times, but it's never resulted in a dropped/delayed frame or presentation glitch, even with videos over two hours in length.

24p@24Hz, 50p@50Hz or 60p@60Hz have full queues at all times.


That said, changing to:
Flush, Sleep, Don't, Sleep in Windowed mode, and
Flush Sleep, Don't, Flush in Exclusive mode, results in fuller queues and lower render & present times. Probably not a necessary change, but may help on slower systems?

I'm also able to turn up the CPU, GPU and Present queues up as high as they go without any performance impacts. Previously if the queues were set too high (even the default 12/8/4) I'd start to get presentation glitches. That said, I have just left them at the defaults now.

[sneaker_ger]

You can't.

New ATI/AMD drivers don't like madVR in exclusive mode
queues are not full and rendering stat can reach even 265ms... Before 10ms was max.

What new drivers?
I'm currently running on Catalyst 12.6 Beta and everything is as always, i.e. <10ms.

[kasper93]

Exactly this http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst126beta.aspx
Last working drivers are 12.4 WHQL I have also tried some beta drivers few weeks ago and after one day removed them, I thought it should be fixed in yesterday's build, but it's not ;/ I wish it will be fixed before WHQL version come up.

What card do you have? I have HD5870 and with this 12.6 Beta driver madVR is unusable it seems to not use any gpu power ;/ It drops frames(when scaling or deinterlacing is in use).

I will install 12.4 for now and wait till next WHQL I guess :D

[sneaker_ger]

I'm on a HD 5850, Win7 x64
Will keep my eyes open for problems.

[ryrynz]

Sneaker_ger, what are your exclusive/windowed mode settings? Perhaps Kasper93 could try those.

[kasper93]

@sneaker_ger: I find what is the problem. MSI Afterburner seems to mess with madVR, but on 12.4 everything work fine. Still on 12.6 madVR act weird, not as before, but at least I can watch anything when MSI Afterburner is closed. But I miss my custom fan profile :D
@ryrynz: I tried everything in settings, it's some sort of conflict between madVR<->drivers<->MSI Afterburner.

Well, forget about my issue, I will notice if I find madVR (only) related issue.

[aufkrawall]

Your problem sounds odd.
afaik only Afterburner's OSD server modifies other running processes and by default it is disabled for video player process names.

[SamuriHL]

I will install 12.4 for now and wait till next WHQL I guess :D

Good luck with that. It'll be a while now that they are no longer doing monthly releases.

[Qaq]

@kasper93
Are you sure your custom profile doesn't keep idle clocks with madVR?:p

With my new 7750 perfomance is not a problem, all I need is to find all the tricks to prevent the whole system crush down after changing ReClock's speed or madVR's scaler or just opening new video.:cool:
ATM, disabling Over Drive makes things stable but not for 100%. The driver is 12.3, it seems like 12.4 has lower priority for HDMI sound (glitches). And since AMD didn't pay attention to crushes in 12.6, I see no reason to upgrade.

[SuLyMaN]

Man afer being on the forums so long, I could not be bothered with madvr. Finally gave it a try and the quality just blew me away....To think I've been missing out on this for so long!!! I assume that it will work on a intel HD graphics (corei3 M380)?
Great work. Keep it up!

[fairchild]

I'm having zero issues with the 12.6 beta drivers and my 7870 as far as using MadVR. In fact I just watched Alien on blu-ray using Lav CB-dxva decoder + MadVR FSE with zero dropped frames or glitches.

[namaiki]

I assume that it will work on a intel HD graphics (corei3 M380)?


Works on my Intel HD graphics (i5-540M CPU - the graphics core is the same, both the i3 and i5 have Turbo Boost even for the GPU).

Slightly better performance if you reduce gpu queue in madVR settings. You might also have to change resizers to spline3 or lanczos 3 max.

[kasper93]

I found exactly what is the problem, If GPU voltage monitoring is enabled MSI Afterburner seems to freeze AMD driver(I don't know what exactly) on every stats update. When I disable voltage monitoring it works as on 12.4. Even when a moving mouse in exclusive mode mouse freeze on every msi afterburner stats update. So this is MSI Afterburner bug, and madVR helps to spot this :)

[aufkrawall]

I found exactly what is the problem, If GPU voltage monitoring is enabled MSI Afterburner seems to freeze AMD driver(I don't know what exactly) on every stats update. When I disable voltage monitoring it works as on 12.4. Even when a moving mouse in exclusive mode mouse freeze on every msi afterburner stats update. So this is MSI Afterburner bug, and madVR helps to spot this :)
Have you enabled unofficial OC or are you using 2D/3D profiles of Afterburner?
Both features are bugged with AMD.

[kasper93]

Have you enabled unofficial OC or are you using 2D/3D profiles of Afterburner?
no and no.

I disable voltage monitoring and it's good now. I don't need to have voltage graph anyway. ;p

[andybkma]

Wish madshi would stop by soon and give us his opinion on the new Nvidia drivers with the new Adaptive Vertical Sync option and what he recommends that we set that option at for use with madVR.

Whether we should choose "Vertical Sync" Setting :

1) Use the 3d Application Setting
2) Off
3) On
4) Adaptive
5) Adaptive (Half Refresh Rate)

[golagoda]

Wish madshi would stop by soon and give us his opinion on the new Nvidia drivers with the new Adaptive Vertical Sync option and what he recommends that we set that option at for use with madVR.
6233638 made a post about the new options here: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1575712&postcount=13183 the most relevant lines being "You should absolutely not use adaptive v-sync for video playback. Adaptive v-sync is for games that do not support triple-buffering."

[Mikey2]

Within the last week or so, some of my videos occasionally start stuttering really bad. (The images lurch back-and-forth.) I am not sure of the technical name for this behavior, but the sound continues to play fine and there are not even any frame-drops! However, it is completely un-watchable. I can fix the problem by pausing and un-pausing. (Perhaps I would have more luck searching for a solution if I knew what this was called!)

I wish I had more to go on, but I think the two most important clues are:
1) I updated to the newest NVidia driver (301.42)
2) I see this when playing a .m2ts file in a Blu-Ray. This is significant because since I have a Xonar Audio-card, I am very limited in my choice of filters for this (for instance TrueHD lossless transfer is only possible using the Arcsoft Audio Renderer thus precluding the ability to use ReClock. :( .)

That said, I have spent hours changing what filters I can, tried decoding in various places, including HW and Softrware modes etc (my CPU and GPU's are good enough that I can choose either,) yet I cannot get rid of this intermittent stuttering.

Here is my baseline setup for playing bitstreamed lossless-audio Blu-Ray files:

0010.m2ts (Or any other m2ts file)
LAVSource
|
LAVSplitter------------------|
|
LAVDecoder (Vid)
| ffdShow (Aud)(untouched to preserve PAP!)
| |
ffdShow (Video) Arcsoft Audio Renderer - Rendered on Xonar HDVAC Slim HDMI Audio-card
|
madVR
|
MPC-HC
|
Yamaha VX1800 Receiver (strip TrueHD audio)
|
Pioneer Kuro 5010FD Plasma


I apologze for the "graph": since this Message Board input does not take "spaces" (and I didn't feel like finding odd ASCII characters) that was a REAL pain in the butt. For instance I gave up displaying the correct order of the different renderers. But I hope you get the picture. (Oh, I included the brand-names of my HW in case anyone has noticed an issue with any of these in the past. Perhaps the driver upgrade was a coincidence? If not, for instance, I have "force Vertical sync" turned on in the NVidia control panel. Is that still recommended?)

Further notes: I am using Windows 7 x64 with Afterburner and my NVidia cards are in SLI mode.

Is this a problem anyone in here is familiar with? Please please please help me out with this one - this has me completely stumpted! Even just a clue as to what I can do will help immensely!

Thanks a ton!!!
MikeY

[Xello]

I concur about adaptive v-sync, it's just not relevant to video playback.

When on, all it does is automatically enable or disable v-sync while gaming depending on whether the current fps is above or below the refresh rate. Even for gaming it's not very useful, I'd recommend people use fps limiter along with regular v-sync with triple buffering on. This lets you play with v-sync but without the lag.

[6233638]

Wish madshi would stop by soon and give us his opinion on the new Nvidia drivers with the new Adaptive Vertical Sync option and what he recommends that we set that option at for use with madVR. Whether we should choose :

1) Use the 3d Application Setting
2) Off
3) On
4) Adaptive
5) Adaptive (Half Refresh Rate)Please read this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1575712&postcount=13183), and this one (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1575776&postcount=13194) if you want the details. In short: do not use adaptive v-sync, it's for gaming. (and a poor choice at that, in my opinion)

Just leave it to "Use the 3D application setting" or force it on. (should have the same result)

Within the last week or so, some of my videos occasionally start stuttering really bad. (The images lurch back-and-forth.) I am not sure of the technical name for this behavior, but the sound continues to play fine and there are not even any frame-drops! However, it is completely un-watchable. I can fix the problem by pausing and un-pausing. (Perhaps I would have more luck searching for a solution if I knew what this was called!)

I wish I had more to go on, but I think the two most important clues are:
1) I updated to the newest NVidia driver (301.42)
2) I see this when playing a .m2ts file in a Blu-Ray. This is significant because since I have a Xonar Audio-card, I am very limited in my choice of filters for this (for instance TrueHD lossless transfer is only possible using the Arcsoft Audio Renderer thus precluding the ability to use ReClock. :( .)

That said, I have spent hours changing what filters I can, tried decoding in various places, including HW and Softrware modes etc (my CPU and GPU's are good enough that I can choose either,) yet I cannot get rid of this intermittent stuttering.

…

I apologze for the "graph": since this Message Board input does not take "spaces" (and I didn't feel like finding odd ASCII characters) that was a REAL pain in the butt. For instance I gave up displaying the correct order of the different renderers. But I hope you get the picture. (Oh, I included the brand-names of my HW in case anyone has noticed an issue with any of these in the past. Perhaps the driver upgrade was a coincidence? If not, for instance, I have "force Vertical sync" turned on in the NVidia control panel. Is that still recommended?)

Further notes: I am using Windows 7 x64 with Afterburner and my NVidia cards are in SLI mode.

Is this a problem anyone in here is familiar with? Please please please help me out with this one - this has me completely stumpted! Even just a clue as to what I can do will help immensely!

Thanks a ton!!!
MikeYYou haven't specified what video card you're using, but with my GTX 570, I found that the 301.42 drivers definitely changed things.

I would suggest resetting everything to the defaults, and try that.
Failing that, I would recommend changing the flush settings to:
Flush, Sleep, Don't, Sleep for Windowed Mode, and
Flush, Sleep, Don't, Flush for Exclusive Mode.

You mentioned that you're using SLI, I don't know if that actually has any impact on video playback with madVR (I suspect not) but I'd try disabling it to see if that helps things at all. (SLI tends to introduce stuttering)



I would also suggest that you use LAV Filters for TrueHD decoding rather than bitstreaming (it does nothing other than turn on an extra light on your receiver) and then use ReClock at the highest Sampling Rate and Bit-Depth that your receiver will accept.

In fact, I'd probably just remove the Xonar card altogether if you're using an HDMI output, and go straight from the video card into the receiver.


Make sure you are sending 24p to the Pioneer display, and that it is correctly set up for a 72Hz refresh rate. (if I recall correctly, you had to select "advanced" film mode, but that was a long time ago, and it's a European model I had)

[ajp_anton]

0010.m2ts
LAVSource
|
LAVSplitter-----------------------------
| |
LAVDecoder (Vid) ffdShow (Aud)(untouched to preserve PAP!)
| |
ffdShow (Video) Arcsoft Audio Renderer
| |
madVR Rendered on Xonar HDVAC Slim HDMI Audio-card
|
MPC-HC
|
Yamaha VX1800 Receiver (strip TrueHD audio)
|
Pioneer Kuro 5010FD Plasma
Fixed it for you =).

[Mikey2]

Lol thanks guys! I'm busy at the moment and just responding on the phone:

1) I actually completely forgot that LAV supports TrueHD-since most of my Blu-Rays are DTA-MA (which afaik is not supported.) I will give that a shot. (That of course will not be an complete fix, but it would be nice to use ReClock!

Well I have to run, I will go point-by-point later. Although I knew most of what you said, I liked the way you described it-I may reference your post in the future to people who ask me such questions...)

Oh my GPU[s] are GeForxe 8600T's (I
know they're the weakest part of my setup-but when using software decoding On my overclocked quad-core Q6600 CPU I am just fine. (It's Often fine even using HW decoding at times.)

Well this phone is annoying me-more later...

[DragonQ]

AFAIK, DTS-HD MA works fine if you have the Arcsoft decoder DLL in the LAV Filters directories (x86 & x64).

[Mikey2]

AFAIK, DTS-HD MA works fine if you have the Arcsoft decoder DLL in the LAV Filters directories (x86 & x64).

Are you sure about that? I thought that if the decoder cannot decode it, then the Arcsoft *renderer* is needed. I played around with the Arcsoft *decoder* in the past with limited success. (The thing is buggy as heck-some junior developer made it so that changes made in the GUI for the decoder never applied. This was a while back-I will take a look. Since this is off-topic, please PM me if you find anything interesting, I would love to decode these lossless codecs like I do everything else!

[DragonQ]

Well I know that the Arcsoft decoder allows DTS-HD MA decoding when used with eac3to and I don't know of any reason why LAV Filters wouldn't work with it too.

[SamuriHL]

It works fine. I use it all the time. However, I don't believe it works with 64 bit. Then again, neither does madVR, so, that's a moot point in this thread. ;)

[chuuey]

i also can confirm that the arcsoft .dll works just fine with dts-ma decoding :)

[Mikey2]

Thanks much for the responses on decoding DTS-MA on LAVAudioDecoder. I tried it and it plays fine, seeming to work.

However, are you sure it is not just decoding the CORE components and "down-sampling"* the lossless stuff?

(edit: This post became so long and so off-topic that I moved it to the LAV Filters thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1577202#post1577202
)

[SamuriHL]

DTS core only has 5.1 channels. DTS-HD MA has 7.1. Hence, an easy thing to check. Anyway, yes, off topic, so, we can discuss it in the proper thread.

[Mikey2]

Woo Hoo! Thanks to 6233638 and others I found the solution to the studdering problem I had above! ( http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1577093#post1577093 )

Simply turning "Vertical Sync = off" in the NVidia Control Panel fixed the issue. I spent over an hour verifying it with it both on and off, and it is definitely the solution!

(This must be an issue with Madvr and the new GeForce (301.42) drivers. Since I first built this computer I have always left VSync=On and never had a problem until now. )

Anyway thanks again everyone! I really thought I might be stuck with that one!

MikeY

PS - ajp-anton - How did you fix my picture? ;) ...Nice work. :)

[ajp_anton]

PS - ajp-anton - How did you fix my picture? ;) ...Nice work. :)Well, your "I apologze for the "graph": since this Message Board input does not take "spaces"" isn't true. Use the [code] tag.