BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

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..... Another thing. I see absolutely no reason to re-encode 640 kbps AC3 to 448 kbps. You save only 192 kbps !!! (Do not reencode AC3 should be checked by default)
Hmmm... I am not so unhappy with the 448 kbps instead of 640, because I normally keep 2 audio tracks - the original one and the local language. Makes 384 kbps saving which the movie will benefit from on a BD5.

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

At least for me, BD-R is already the prefered target.

I can get quality media (Sony BD-R 4x printable) for 4.55 EUR. Thats OK. Could be better of course.

But considering, that full backups von DVD work on almost no players, I think its worth it to use BD-R.

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As for Bugs & problems:

Just doing "I am Legend" (VC1 only) a second time. Problem is again VC1 and the libavcodec. I realized, that a file cant be opened and switched to WMV9 and resumed.

Problem is, some of the already encoded m2ts files are there but they are only grey (the video).

Till now I thought it would be best to use for VC1 libavcodec and if it hangs switch to WMV9. But thats not the case. Also only WMV9 only is not an since it creates distortions at a lot of videos.

I know, you have maybe more important things to do, but please create all the video AVS files for encoding before the first encode starts. In this case you dont need to worry about DGVC1Dec integration and I and maybe some others would be happy to modify the AVS scripts myself to use DGVC1Dec. This is currently the only option if you want to process a lot of VC1 discs.

Bye

[Atak_Snajpera]

Hmmm... I am not so unhappy with the 448 kbps instead of 640, because I normally keep 2 audio tracks - the original one and the local language. Makes 384 kbps saving which the movie will benefit from on a BD5.
Re-encoding is always bad idea. It's like compressing .jpg image two times or coping already copied VHS/audio tape! 384kbps ?!!? It would make sense in DVD-Rip era (700MB) where video bitrate was not higher than 1Mbps. I only accept rencoding from DTS (1.5Mbps or higher) or any lossless format.

[Sharc]

Re-encoding is always bad idea. It's like compressing .jpg image two times or coping already copied VHS/audio tape!
Yes and no. Isn't re-enoding of already compressed material what we are doing all the time when backing up DVDs or BDs? ;)
384kbps ?!!? It would make sense in DVD-Rip era (700MB) where video bitrate was not higher than 1Mbps. I only accept rencoding from DTS (1.5Mbps or higher) or any lossless format
I thought about increasing the bitrate of a movie on a BD5 by 384 kbps, like say 3500 + 384 = 3884 kbps which is a 11% improvement. How much would devs have to invest in x264 to gain another 11% efficiency? Or did I get something wrong?

[Atak_Snajpera]

I thought about increasing the bitrate of a movie on a BD5 by 384 kbps, like say 3500 + 384 = 3884 kbps which is a 11% improvement. How much would devs have to invest in x264 to gain another 11% efficiency? Or did I get something wrong?
if you want to really destroy audio quality you can go even lower with bitrate to 384kbps! MASSIVE SAVINGS !!!! I'm telling you whole 0.5 Mbps!!!!! :)

[Capsbackup]

Having "Run-time error '9': subscript out of range" on backup attempt of Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of the Black Pearl disc 2 bonus, with BD-RB 0.17.0.13. What does this error message mean and/or what could be the cause? I had this error 1 time before, but was not sure if anyone else has or a reason was found. Happens as "PHASE ONE completes, PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started", and press OK and BD-RB just closes.

[ron spencer]

What should be used for vc1. Libvacodec or wmv? I have had crashed with dark knight

[Sharc]

I would try with wmv9. It should work with VC-1 progressive.
You might however experience problems with the Extras in case they are interlaced or mixed interlaced/progressive.
I used DGVC1IndexNV btw, but presently this is not (yet) supported by BD-RB and requires newer Nvidia cards AFAIK.

[MikeyBK]

I've gotten that "Run-time error '9': subscript out of range" error a couple times, but they were both on TSMuxer outputs. I have several movie only m2ts files on my harddrive (which saves space and which I use to view thru a DVItoHDMI connection on my HDTV), ....so rather than reripping the Blurays again, I just used TSMuxer or TSRemux to output into Bluray structure so that it can be loaded onto BD-RB..... however that's now two from TSMuxer that errored out that way during the encoding. The couple I did with TSRemux worked perfectly thru BD-RB.

Any reason that may be jdobbs?

[ron spencer]

I am just using BD rebuilder with ffdshow decoding vc1, no DGVC1IndexNV. Also movie only, but x264 keeps crashing with vc1 movie

[MikeyBK]

Sure do Pony, retrying perfect storm again........ just a sec here........ which is supposed to be used libavcodec or libmpeg2 ? I'm using the former. Since I have DVDRB avisynth should be floating around somewhere..... I would think.

I'm using libavcodec for mpeg2 (which I think is default) and I also already AVISYNTH and didn't have to do a thing on that front...

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..... My problem is that now that I have experienced HD at 1080p -- I'm just not satisfied with anything less anymore.
I found this article and graphs quite informative:
http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

[Sharc]

I am just using BD rebuilder with ffdshow decoding vc1, no DGVC1IndexNV. Also movie only, but x264 keeps crashing with vc1 movie
Did you select the wmv9 as decoder for VC-1 in the ffdshow codecs configuration?

[laserfan]

Did you select the wmv9 as decoder for VC-1 in the ffdshow codecs configuration?Is this important? Is there a consensus that WMV9 is better than libavcodec or is this just a suggestion to ron spencer to try the other decoder?

I have occasionally seen random pixelizations decoding VC-1s with either codec, which is why I ask.

[jdobbs]

I've gotten that "Run-time error '9': subscript out of range" error a couple times, but they were both on TSMuxer outputs. I have several movie only m2ts files on my harddrive (which saves space and which I use to view thru a DVItoHDMI connection on my HDTV), ....so rather than reripping the Blurays again, I just used TSMuxer or TSRemux to output into Bluray structure so that it can be loaded onto BD-RB..... however that's now two from TSMuxer that errored out that way during the encoding. The couple I did with TSRemux worked perfectly thru BD-RB.

Any reason that may be jdobbs?The ones on TSMUXER outputs were because they were muxed with no language code -- I fixed that on the last release. As for this reported one, I don't know without more information. The error itself means that an array is being referenced with a subscript that is out of bounds.

[jdobbs]

Is this important? Is there a consensus that WMV9 is better than libavcodec or is this just a suggestion to ron spencer to try the other decoder?

I have occasionally seen random pixelizations decoding VC-1s with either codec, which is why I ask. I use Vista for most of my encodes -- so I disable both and use the CODEC that was installed with the O/S. On XP I don't think there is one by default without FFDSHOW (not sure though).

[jdobbs]

As for the 448Kbs and 640Kbs argument on DD audio.... for the love of God, that's not something to really get excited about is it? Especially since double blind tests (that eliminate what people "want to believe") show that almost no one can tell the difference anyway. You can keep the 640Kbs stream already with the click of a checkbox -- so what is the issue? C'mon. :rolleyes: Maybe we can spend another 20 forum pages of debating audio bitrates on this "let's not debate" thread - eh?

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs,
The ones on TSMUXER outputs were because they were muxed with no language code -- I fixed that on the last release. As for this reported one, I don't know without more information. The error itself means that an array is being referenced with a subscript that is out of bounds.
The error I received was on a clean rip with Anydvd, processed only with BD-RB in full movie mode. Tell me what else I can provide and I will.

[Chefkoch_ico]

Is this important? Is there a consensus that WMV9 is better than libavcodec or is this just a suggestion to ron spencer to try the other decoder?

I have occasionally seen random pixelizations decoding VC-1s with either codec, which is why I ask.

On some files (for example in Mummy 3) you have with VC1 and libavcodec timeouts, meaning it cant be openend. with WMV9 or using the Windows Medio DMO (default with WMP11 without FFDShow), you get pixel distortions and crashs of x264 (or the player with which you try to play the AVS or the file directly.

Thats why I ask for support of DGVC1DecNV, as there is currently no other way for some discs.

I explained it already a few times, dont know why the question pops up again.

Bye

[DIVX2009]

jdobbs,

is hard to add hd-dvd input to bd rebuilder for make a full converted copy (hd-dvd to bd whit full menu)?....is many hd-dvd disks
sorry for my bad english...and tks

[jdobbs]

That would be a lot of work... and really not worth the effort considering HD-DVD is dead and the work would only have any value for a very short time.

There are fairly easy ways to do movie-only back up HD-DVD to blu-ray, though.

[jdobbs]

On some files (for example in Mummy 3) you have with VC1 and libavcodec timeouts, meaning it cant be openend. with WMV9 or using the Windows Medio DMO (default with WMP11 without FFDShow), you get pixel distortions and crashs of x264 (or the player with which you try to play the AVS or the file directly.

Thats why I ask for support of DGVC1DecNV, as there is currently no other way for some discs.

I explained it already a few times, dont know why the question pops up again.

Bye But what if you don't have an NVidia card that supports DXVA? I want to avoid writing my backup code to only work on certain equipment.

[Sharc]

Is this important? Is there a consensus that WMV9 is better than libavcodec or is this just a suggestion to ron spencer to try the other decoder?

I have occasionally seen random pixelizations decoding VC-1s with either codec, which is why I ask.
Well, I can only speak for myself. It was primarily a suggestion to Ron because I found wmv9 more reliable (?). I am on Vista.
(My preference for VC-1 decoding is DGVC1IndexNV/dgvc1decodeNV.dll though, which succeeded in decoding VC-1 material which I was not able to decode with any other decoder. Unfortunately it's a solution for newer Nvidia cards only.)

[jdobbs]

I sure wish there was a way to do it with a directshow filter. Right now that's the only source type that has issues.

[Steff 320i]

Question: since I'm still doing only test encodes of full discs, would Rebuilder work faster if I disable Trellis?

I still haven't been able to make a copy of "Lost - disc 1" which will run on my Samsung BD-P1500. But I'll keep trying. Let's see if beta 13 will do the trick.

My "Lost" blurays are region B, european, by the way.
Oh, and I noticed that Rebuilder still shows 900% progress at the beginning, while decoding audio, i believe.

[ron spencer]

There are two versions of DGVC1IndexNV...one that is pay that uses video accerlation and the other that does not. This is the free one that would not have issues with hardware and could be used for vc1 right?

http://neuron2.net/dgavcdec/dgavcdec.html

the pay one is at:

http://neuron2.net/dgavcdecnv/dgavcdecnv.html

use the free one


Also, why not tie into DirecShow filters that do work or give option to. Some may have Cyberlink decoders while others may have the Sonic ones. These work perfectly for VC1, which is troublesome for bd rebuilder now.

[GaPony]

Having "Run-time error '9': subscript out of range" on backup attempt of Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of the Black Pearl disc 2 bonus, with BD-RB 0.17.0.13. What does this error message mean and/or what could be the cause? I had this error 1 time before, but was not sure if anyone else has or a reason was found. Happens as "PHASE ONE completes, PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started", and press OK and BD-RB just closes.

I also had a failure with this movie... I got the "Run-time error '76' Path not found' with a notice that aften had failed. Again this is a LPCM movie, and the attempt was a "Movie Only" copy. I'll try it again using AC3 Multi-Channel, instead of the LPCM and see what happens.

FWIW, here's the log... An extraordinarily long time for the "Extracting/Rencoding Audio Tracks" phase...

01:07:56] BD Rebuilder v0.17.13 (beta)
- Input BD size: 31.44 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:23:15.878]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[01:08:02] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [01:15:01] Collecting video information [00001]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,563 Kbs
- [01:15:04] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [02:51:48] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [07:08:50] Video Encode complete
- [07:08:50] Extracting/reencoding audio tracks
- [12:07:46] Multiplexing M2TS

[[SLiM]D12]

The ones on TSMUXER outputs were because they were muxed with no language code -- I fixed that on the last release. As for this reported one, I don't know without more information. The error itself means that an array is being referenced with a subscript that is out of bounds.

I'm getting this one now too. The "Run-Time Error 9" What do we need to provide you in order to test? Let me know.

thx

[Chefkoch_ico]

@ron:
These are for AVC, not for VC1. For VC1 there is no free non-NVidia Version (yet).

@jdobbs:
That is true. But you would have at least the choice to get a NVidia card (if not there) and donate neuron2 and have successful VC1 BluRay copies, or live with the current problems (there are a lot VC1 discs, my rate was 2 of five 5 discs made the VC1 interlaced problem).

I tried to use Cyberlink filters, but they did not work. I have no Sonic filters to test.

Those who can use DGVC1DecNV could use the whole DGDec suite and benefit from faster decoding (and with it also encoding). And are no longer tied to DirectShow.

Of course its your decission, but I hope you at least consider it. You don´t even need to directly support it. Maybe write the VID_AVS files at the start of the backup and dont overwrite them afterwards. This would be a not so big change, or? Plleeaaassee.

One (or myself) could write a small program, which modifies the AVS files then.

But then again, from DVD RB you know allready how to work with DGMpgDec, the others are not really different.

I would donate you again a small amount but the 3 digit number a few days ago is enough (for now).

Bye

[ron spencer]

My bad on vc1 avc thing. Pity he has not made free one. I got another crash on vc1. Sonic does work nicely fed via graphedit into avisynth. Then you can do anything you want

[KarstenS]

I can confirm that problem with not encoding sound options. I also did select both and tried "Enchanted" with DTS (german). On this disk, the movie is split in round about 20 files with sizes between 90MB and 7000MB. Nearly 1/3 of the files got DTS muxed (all of them are files with small size). The other 2/3 got the recoded AC3 sound muxed. So I got a main movie with some parts DTS and other parts AC3.

Actually I am not at home. I can post the META files on sunday, if needed. But I already did a look into them. The files says to mux the DTS track where DTS got muxed and says to mux the AC3 track, where the reencoded AC3 got muxed.


Here are now the META files of every main movie video files, the log, the ini files and 2 screenshots. One screenshot shows the directory of the original BD. It is sized to see only the files of main movie.

The second screenshot shows an error I get at end of all. But the BD9 seems to work (I have muxed AC3 manually into the other files, as this would be faster than muxing DTS)...but no sound in main menu (it uses LPCM).

If you need other files too, I keep the folders for a while.

EDIT: Also chapters are missing. When i press the button for jumping to begin of next capter, it jumps directly to the end of the movie.

[ron spencer]

I wonder how convertxtodvd does it. It can convert vc1 without sonic filters quite nicely

[Sharc]

There are two versions of DGVC1IndexNV...one that is pay that uses video accerlation and the other that does not. This is the free one that would not have issues with hardware and could be used for vc1 right?

http://neuron2.net/dgavcdec/dgavcdec.html

the pay one is at:

http://neuron2.net/dgavcdecnv/dgavcdecnv.html

use the free one


Also, why not tie into DirecShow filters that do work or give option to. Some may have Cyberlink decoders while others may have the Sonic ones. These work perfectly for VC1, which is troublesome for bd rebuilder now.

VC-1 and AVC are two totally different issues.
If you really have found a free / opensource VC-1 decoder or filter that decodes interlaced and mixed interlaced/progressive VC-1 material reliably, please let us know. From a former post I concluded that the filters you mention (Cyberlink, Sonic, ArcSoft) are not suitable to decode certain interlaced VC-1 material, and/or they are at least not open source.

[ron spencer]

yes I posted a few up my bad on confusing his filters....no the sonic is not open source, but people have been converting with success progressive stuff. I have used my cyberlink ones fine with graphedit no problem....but source has been progressive.

BTW convertx2dvd converts dark knight (vc1) perfectly

[Sharc]

yes I posted a few up my bad on confusing his filters....no the sonic is not open source, but people have been converting with success progressive stuff. I have used my cyberlink ones fine with graphedit no problem....but source has been progressive.

BTW convertx2dvd converts dark knight (vc1) perfectly

Here a VC-1 sample file you might try to decode other than with DGVC1 ..... I am curious ....
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dg0dmmlziun

[ron spencer]

convert with what? which way? via directshow and graphedit?

what results would you like

[ron spencer]

I can play this in media player classic fine as is....just some monster throwing cars around

[Sharc]

Interesting. Which filter/decoder does MPC use? You may check with a right click on the picture and select Filters > . I doubt that MPC picked a free filter.

[ron spencer]

ffdshow icon comes up in tray? this what you want

[ron spencer]

gotta goto hockey now...may try more later on all this

[Sharc]

Enjoy the game.
Maybe we should drop this here as it's getting off topic I presume.

[Capsbackup]

@GaPony,
My error was on the disc 2 bonus features, thus has to be full movie. There is no other message after my error, just BD-RB closes. I have not seen why this error happens or what to provide to figure it out. Probably far down the list, based on reports others have been posting.

[jdobbs]

I can play this in media player classic fine as is....just some monster throwing cars around
Interesting. It doesn't work for me either. Same blockiness as previously reported.

[laserfan]

I use Vista for most of my encodes -- so I disable both and use the CODEC that was installed with the O/S. On XP I don't think there is one by default without FFDSHOW (not sure though).
Is it NOT true that Vista installs WMP11 i.e. that is the source of the decoding filter you are depending on? Meaning I think the one & only VC-1 decoder published by MS is via WMP11. Installing WMP11 is what gives us XP guys the ability to decode VC-1, tho clearly libavcodec from ffdshow does it too (tho not perfectly).

On some files (for example in Mummy 3) you have with VC1 and libavcodec timeouts, meaning it cant be openend. with WMV9 or using the Windows Medio DMO (default with WMP11 without FFDShow), you get pixel distortions and crashs of x264 (or the player with which you try to play the AVS or the file directly.

Thats why I ask for support of DGVC1DecNV, as there is currently no other way for some discs.

I explained it already a few times, dont know why the question pops up again.In this thread? I have looked & looked for discussions of problems decoding VC1 but haven't found anything like what you've just stated.

BTW convertx2dvd converts dark knight (vc1) perfectlyWonder what decoder convertx2dvd depends upon? Guess I will look.

Sorry if this takes us further off-topic, but it feels like there is not currently a perfect VC-1 decoder available ("pixel distortions" as Chefkoch has put it) except possibly for DGVC1DecNV which I can't use (yet).

[[SLiM]D12]

jdobbs:

what can i provide you to investigate the Run-Time Error 9 i currently have?

thx

[jdobbs]

Sorry if this takes us further off-topic, but it feels like there is not currently a perfect VC-1 decoder available ("pixel distortions" as Chefkoch has put it) except possibly for DGVC1DecNV which I can't use (yet).
Well yes and no -- but lets not treat this like the sky is falling The only time it has problems is on sources that have mixed interlaced and progressive, which is very rare. I've done many, many discs that are VC-1 -- and they are fine. It wasn't until this week that I ran into the first disc that had this problem ("Band of Brothers").

I keep hearing this expressed as though VC-1 can't be backed up -- which is inaccurate.

[jdobbs]

D12;1232199']jdobbs:

what can i provide you to investigate the Run-Time Error 9 i currently have?

thx
When does it happen (exactly). Is it while the screen says "Multiplexing" or when it says "Reencoding audio" or possibly when "redoing timing". If I can narrow it down at least I can find our where it is happening.

Are you doing a commercial disc, or has it been modified?

[GaPony]

As for my error... the last noted in the log was "Multiplexing M2TS", and a Vista pop-up error on screen that aften.exe had failed.

[[SLiM]D12]

I just re-ran it and it appears to be multiplexing when it's doing this. I just restarted the encode, and it's resumed. It's multiplexing now, so i'll see what it does before it errors out, and i'll re-post

[pbeumer2001]

After 29 hours of encoding Transformars is finished!!! Full disc backup Target size dvd9. To bad I didn`t check if I had dvd9 to burn to. Have to buy them tomorrow and I`ll post the result.