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[Glarioo]

I've also installed the LAV Filters 0.62 without the LAV Audio. Audio still out of sync.
Play the MKV's with vlc, PowerDVD 12 and Dune HD Smart H1.
But when i run Inspect the LAV filters do not appear in the list...?

[Sharc]

It seems that ArcSoft filters interfere with LAV filters.
Removing (disabling) dtsdecoderdll.dll and ASAudioHD.ax (both from ArcSoft) solved my preview problems (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1695910&postcount=21436).
Maybe it will solve your out-of-sync issues as well.

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs I have a question. I was wondering if you have tried to backup transformers: age of extinction of you have it. Reason I'm asking is that movie is the first to use a new audio technology called 'Dolby Atmos' instead of a full sized HD audio stream and I'm wondering if bdrb supports it.

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[jdobbs]

Jdobbs I have a question. I was wondering if you have tried to backup transformers: age of extinction of you have it. Reason I'm asking is that movie is the first to use a new audio technology called 'Dolby Atmos' instead of a full sized HD audio stream and I'm wondering if bdrb supports it.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 met TapatalkBD-RB supports (via NicAudio) every legal audio format for a Blu-ray -- so I would have to assume it does. I just read about "Dolby Atmos" after you posted, and it just looks like somehow you can adjust for each of your speaker locations -- but you still have 5.1 or 7.1 audio. You may also need an Atmos compatible audio unit to get anything out of it. It sounds like another gimmick to me.

Why do you ask? Have you had an issue with it?

But I don't have that disc -- and since I've only gotten two donations in the last two weeks, it's not likely I'll be buying it.

[gonca]

@Ch3vr0n
Update LavFilters to 0.63 and it is no issue. Just finished this.
Just did a quick check and playback is good.

PS
Sound was downconverted to AC3 2.0

@jdobbs
That audio track is in the neighborhood of 5.5 GB

[Ch3vr0n]

I don't use LAV, I use the ffdshow way.

Don't have the disc yet either I was just asking. But from what I understand it's not a gimmick. Its thousands of small audio segments making it not bound to some bluray max audio stream limititation.

And if it gets down converted then it is an issue, that's no support. I don't want to go from 7.1 or 5.1 to 2.0 stereo.

That's like dvdrangers 'cinavia removal'. They still can't keep the HD audio and downscale everything to 5.1 ac3

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[jdobbs]

@Ch3vr0n
Update LavFilters to 0.63 and it is no issue. Just finished this.
Just did a quick check and playback is good.

PS
Sound was downconverted to AC3 2.0

@jdobbs
That audio track is in the neighborhood of 5.5 GBYeah I downloaded it earlier today and installed it.

When you say "playback is good" -- are you referring to the sync issues reported, just a general statement, or Dolby Atmos?

[jdobbs]

I don't use LAV, I use the ffdshow way.

Don't have the disc yet either I was just asking. But from what I understand it's not a gimmick. Its thousands of small audio segments making it not bound to some bluray max audio stream limititation.

And if it gets down converted then it is an issue, that's no support. I don't want to go from 7.1 or 5.1 to 2.0 stereo.

That's like dvdrangers 'cinavia removal'. They still can't keep the HD audio and downscale everything to 5.1 ac3

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 met TapatalkThe Blu-Ray committee sets the standards -- not BD-RB or Dolby. And nowhere is "Atmos" listed. So I still say "gimmick" -- at least as it is implemented on BD. Theaters are a different matter.

If you don't want it reencoded -- then just keep the original audio intact. Then you have an exact copy. But if it is on a disc that has the term "Blu-Ray" on the label -- it absolutely, positively must meet the standard.

[gonca]

@jdobbs
I meant that it plays back in a direct show media player fine. I'll rerun it with DirectShow as a frame server and check with for sync issues.

@Ch3vr0n
I down converted the audio because this back up is meant to be played back on a tablet with two little speakers while on a trip. Not meant as a cinavia or such type fix.

[Ch3vr0n]

Well guess I'll have to go visit he shop to see if it's released yet over here. Definitely will report back on this.

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[Sharc]

BD-RB doesn't use the audio decoders of LAVFilters except for previewing. It uses nicaudio via AVISYNTH.

That brings up a possibility. Remove LAVFilters, and then reinstall. But when it comes up, uncheck the "LAV Audio" from the components list. Maybe it is hosing up the PCM audio-serving when nicaudio is decoding AC3 or DTS and presenting it to the encoder.
I found that ArcSoft filters interfere with LAV audio (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1696015&postcount=21453). After removing ArcSoft filters, the preview works fine.

[gonca]

I found that ArcSoft filters interfere with LAV audio (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1696015&postcount=21453). After removing ArcSoft filters, the preview works fine.

Do you mean the ones in the codec folder?

[gonca]

@Ch3vr0n
To clarify, if your intention is to re-encode Transformers Age Of Extinction and keep the HD Audio BD_RB can handle it, I've done it.
If you wish to re-encode the audio, BD_RB can also do it

[Ch3vr0n]

Intention is the same as always. Full disc backup to bd25, intact audio. So good to know it can handle it.

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[gonca]

Sorry, didn't know your back up habits, seems they are are the same as mine. Bear in mind that the movie is 2:45 long and the HD audio track alone is about 5.5 GB. The down conversion was for a tablet, no point keeping the HD audio for that

[gonca]

test 1
frame serving >> LAV >> out of sync

test 2 (Sharc's findings)
go to codec folder
create a new sub folder called New Folder
move the two filters Sharc mentioned into it
frame serving >> LAV >> out of sync

test 3
Make sure that Bit stream DTS HD is unchecked in LAV Audio settings since that brings up the filters mention by Sharc
out of sync

[gonca]

Tried changing every setting in LAVSplitter and LAVAudio that I thought might affect sync. No luck.
Right about now I'm happy I use DGDecNV.

[gonca]

@jdobbs
which decoder have you selected in LAV Video?

[MajorEvent]

It seems that ArcSoft filters interfere with LAV filters.
Removing (disabling) dtsdecoderdll.dll and ASAudioHD.ax (both from ArcSoft) solved my preview problems (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1695910&postcount=21436).
Maybe it will solve your out-of-sync issues as well.

Renamed, rebooted, re-encoded. No change. Confirming gonca's result.

[omegaman7]

Tried the newest version 0.63 LAV. No luck. Still out of sync.

@ all others testing LAV. How many source BD's have you tried? I've only tried one. I shall try another, that has significantly different audio streams.

[Sharc]

Do you mean the ones in the codec folder?
I don't have a "codec" folder (?). But these filters got installed/copied into the \WINDOWS\sysWOW64\ folder in my case. They are probably a leftover of some trial SW and didn't get uninstalled. Deleting these filters solved my issue, and I can reproduce the effect. The culprit seems to be the "dtsdecoderdll.dll".
For indexing I am always using DGIndexNV. Never tried anything else. Moreover, even on BD25 I usually convert the dts(-HD) to ac3 and don't keep the original dts.

[gonca]

@all
Those having issues with Lav and video/audio sync
Do you have TMT6 installed?
Do you have PDVD installed?

[gonca]

@Sharc
TMT has a subfolder called codecs

[worknstiff]

@ Ch3vr0n RE: Full disc backup to bd25, intact audio.

The Transformers: Age of Extinction 3D/2D both have Dolby Atmos audio and by keeping only the English tracks you will end up with 3 .AC3 tracks. The first one (which I think is the 7.1 mix) is 5.79 GB's and the other 2 are both 755 MB's (which I think has the extra Atmos directional data). You will end up with a total of 7.27 GB's which only leaves you with about 15.5 GB for the 2:45 minutes of video. I am really thinking of using up one of my BD25 DL's for this one because I can't see how to keep only the 7.1 track.

[Mark_Venture]

After trying to make an mkv container using x264 I have got the following message from BD-RB right after extracting the streams. Please find my log file, alternate and lastcmd test file below. The used profile is [00037]. I didn't see a reply to your post, but I had similar issue, and same failure message when trying to backup to Alt Movie Only MKV (1920x1080 intact audio) with The Monuments Men and both the 2D and 3D of Transformers: Age of Extinction (to Half SBS MKV). Yet I found that King Kong worked just fine.

I thought it might be because I update BD-Rebuilder on my PC by unzipping to the existing folder, overwriting any files. So I made a new folder and unzipped only 49.04. Nope. Still failed.

Looking closer, if it was reported that Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), I got that error. King Kong and others that worked were Source Video: VC-1. So I checked FFDShows settings per the notes in the OP. They were set right, but it still failed.

I ended up uninstalling FFDShow, Haali Matroska Splitter, AVISYNTH, and LAV Directshow Filters.

After rebooting, I installed them again, following the OP of this thread, and its working again. 2D Age of Extinction finished last night, and the 3D Age of Extinction (to half SBS mkv) is still running.

Not sure what messed things up on my system, but at least its working again.

[omegaman7]

No TMT installed here yet. I wanted a very clean installation to work with ;)

[MajorEvent]

@all
Those having issues with Lav and video/audio sync
Do you have TMT6 installed?
Do you have PDVD installed?

I have both, TMT 6 and PDVD 11.

[jdobbs]

I've removed LAV instructions from the first post. They will also be removed from the README.TXT of the next release. Too bad... it was a much more complete solution than FFDSHOW/HAALI.

[omegaman7]

Jdobbs, I ran "The Postman" last night, and the audio is in complete sync :S

[jdobbs]

That was with LAV? How did it differ from other ones you've tried?

[omegaman7]

Directshow/LAV 0.63 yes.
(The postman) VC-1 streams, TRUE HD audio 640Kbps
(IMMORTALS) AVC streams\ DTS-HD XLL 1509Kbps MA\Core

It was my intention, to find a blu-ray with significantly different streams. I think I found one lol.

I shall attempt to find a different blu with VC-1, and similar audio to Immortals.

[jdobbs]

Maybe I missed it, but can you name a commonly available disc that completes out-of-sync? I'd like to try it.

[omegaman7]

I'm afraid Immortals, and The Postman, are currently the only ones tested. I'm about to run SE7EN. It has VC-1 streams, and appears to have an identical audio format to IMMORTALS. Very interested to see the result.

What have you ran in testing? Perhaps I have something you do :)

[Glarioo]

Tried the newest version 0.63 LAV. No luck. Still out of sync.

@ all others testing LAV. How many source BD's have you tried? I've only tried one. I shall try another, that has significantly different audio streams.


Red Dragon (2002) - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
Muppets Most Wanted (2014) - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
Both to MKV Container, 1920x1080, 640Kbs DD5.1

[Glarioo]

@all
Those having issues with Lav and video/audio sync
Do you have TMT6 installed?
Do you have PDVD installed?

PowerDVD 12.

[omegaman7]

Red Dragon (2002) & Muppets Most Wanted (2014)
Both to MKV Container, 1920x1080, 640Kbs DD5.1

Are MKV backups generally your preference? I guess I'll have to try that next.

Glarioo, can we see a log of Muppets most wanted? I'm curious what the streams are comprised of.

[Glarioo]

Are MKV backups generally your preference? I guess I'll have to try that next.

Glarioo, can we see a log of Muppets most wanted? I'm curious what the streams are comprised of.

All my backups are MKV. Playback with Dune HD Smart H1.
For Muppets Most Wanted is "Track 4357 (nld): Keeping original audio" also out of sync, i've noticed that today

Log at page 1073 #21452

[omegaman7]

All my backups are MKV. Playback with Dune HD Smart H1.
For Muppets Most Wanted is "Track 4357 (nld): Keeping original audio" also out of sync, i've noticed that today

Log at page 1073 #21452

I don't know if attachments are ever approved lol.

I almost always keep the HD audio. Really depends though.

[Glarioo]

jdobbs, for all the LAV hassle...a donation is on the way.

[omegaman7]

Indeed. I have an extra payday this month. Expect a donation from me real soon too. :)

[MajorEvent]

Jdobbs, I ran "The Postman" last night, and the audio is in complete sync :S

The Postman VC-1 TrueHD5.1
I can confirm this re-encoded and was in sync.

Star Trek Into Darkness MPEG4 (AVC) TrueHD7.1
Re-encoding this one now and will let you know soon.

Non-Stop MPEG4 (AVC) DTS-HD XLL
Out of Sync

I don't have either, Red Dragon or Muppets Most Wanted, but I do have my movie catalog setup with the audio format so I can find specific audio formats quickly. No video format though. I got lucky that Star Trek Into Darkness was MPEG4 (AVC). I re-encoded one other movie that had the out of sync audio but I'm having a senior moment and can't recall what it was,The Signal maybe?

Edit: I'm rolling with LAVFilters 0.62.

[MajorEvent]

I've removed LAV instructions from the first post. They will also be removed from the README.TXT of the next release. Too bad... it was a much more complete solution than FFDSHOW/HAALI.

My experience has been that LAVFilters can be removed by just a regular uninstall so, if you run into the problem, it's pretty easy to recover especially, like most people, they'll install on top of ffdshow and haali.

Maybe just make a mention of the issue until we're sure it can't be resolved. It might be premature to deep six it but it's your call, of course.

[omegaman7]

We're on to something Jdobbs :D

[MajorEvent]

Star Trek Into Darkness MPEG4 (AVC) TrueHD7.1
Re-encoding this one now and will let you know soon.


Out of Sync

Looking like the problem is the MPEG4 (AVC). Looking for a VC-1 DTS-HD DLL re-encode next.

[omegaman7]

I'm leaning that way myself MajorEvent. Another VC-1 source(SE7EN) has completed, and audio is perfectly within sync. But I find it hard to believe JDobbs only tested VC-1 sources. AVC is an extremely common source.

SE7EN has same/similar audio format as IMMORTALS.

[Glarioo]

Red Dragon (2002) - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080, Audio: DTS-HD MA Surround 5.1
Muppets Most Wanted (2014) - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080, Audio 1: DTS-HD HRA Surround 7.1 English, Audio 2: DD 5.1 640 kbps Dutch.
Both out of sync (MKV Container, 1920x1080, 640Kbs DD5.1)

[MajorEvent]

I'm leaning that way myself MajorEvent. I think your result clenches it. MPEG4 (AVC) is the culprit. But I'm confused by the result that the time index and frames aren't different from the source. If the video component is the same length, what could be causing the audio to come in so late?


Another VC-1 source(SE7EN) has completed, and audio is perfectly within sync...SE7EN has same/similar audio format as IMMORTALS.

Is there some reason you just don't say what the audio format is?

But I find it hard to believe JDobbs only tested VC-1 sources. AVC is an extremely common source.

Most Likely there's something between his setup and ours that makes a difference. For example, do you have PowerDVD installed?

[Glarioo]

I've got Power DVD 12 installed.

[MajorEvent]

Red Dragon (2002) - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080, Audio: DTS-HD MA Surround 5.1
Muppets Most Wanted (2014) - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080, Audio 1: DTS-HD HRA Surround 7.1 English, Audio 2: DD 5.1 640 kbps Dutch.
Both out of sync (MKV Container, 1920x1080, 640Kbs DD5.1)

Even the DD5.1 (is out of sync)? Seems like it affects all audio formats when combined with MPEG4 (AVC) re-encodes.

I've got Power DVD 12 installed.
I saw you mentioned that and was why I asked about it specifically. :)

[mparade]

@jdobbs

Is it possible a bug?:

After selecting "Alternate Movie-Only Output" mode and deselecting "Output BD or AVCHD Compliant Structure" and choosing any of the mkv containers and getting the encode to complete the lastcmd still includes several command line options (limitations) relating to a BD compliant structure (e.g. --bluray-compat --ref 4).