BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Lathe]

On a more serious note... (cough...) [and I am STILL not getting any notifications - I think JD has disabled mine to discourage my corny comments...] Anyway... Is there a way to keep an episode intact, no compression, but compress all the xtras on a disc? I have disc 6 of the UK series UFO (absolutely B*tch'n BTW!) which has only 1 episode, but a bunch of xtras. I would LIKE to keep the menu structure intact if possible, compress all the xtras to fit on a BD-25, and keep the one episode 7.x gigs so there's plenty of room, intact.

[Lathe]

Hmmm, how about doing a whole disc compression set to, say, about 15 gigs in size, would I get away with going back into the finished compressed disc and simply re-insert the full size m2ts file for the now compressed one, bringing up the full size on the disc to approximately 22 gigs? Can I get away with that and will it still play properly?

[gonca]

Well... we all have our gifts... :cool:

And one day we will find yours

Try quick encode for extras, adjust the crf in ini until the compression for the extras is enough to allow the episode to go through untouched
How big is the source

[Lathe]

And one day we will find yours

Try quick encode for extras, adjust the crf in ini until the compression for the extras is enough to allow the episode to go through untouched
How big is the source

Thanks a lot... :sly:

I understand about the fast encode for Xtras (I normally use that) but, I don't quite understand the 2nd part about adjusting the CRF... Will BDRB automatically 'know' to leave the larger, primary file untouched, and compress the rest?

[Lathe]

Ah, Gmail was sending my Doom9 notifications directly to SPAM. Clever Google; somehow they must know about the 'usefulness' of Gonca's & Mr. Video's replies... :D

[MrVideo]

Well... we all have our gifts... :cool:
And that wasn't one of them. :eek:

[MrVideo]

Hmmm, how about doing a whole disc compression set to, say, about 15 gigs in size, would I get away with going back into the finished compressed disc and simply re-insert the full size m2ts file for the now compressed one, bringing up the full size on the disc to approximately 22 gigs? Can I get away with that and will it still play properly?
My educated guess (ya I know, what education :D ) is no. There is specifics about the M2TS file that is stored in other parts of the Blu-ray structure.

[Lathe]

My educated guess (ya I know, what education :D ) is no. There is specifics about the M2TS file that is stored in other parts of the Blu-ray structure.

Yeah, I kinda thought that would be just TOO easy :)

Oh, sorry Gonca, I think you asked what the overall size of the disc was. About 37 gigs.

Well, I suppose if I have it set for faster encoding of Xtras with my usual high settings, I'm sure the episode will probably come out just fine. Just trying to squeeze out the best quality within 'reason', as usual...

[gonca]

Thanks a lot... :sly:

I understand about the fast encode for Xtras (I normally use that) but, I don't quite understand the 2nd part about adjusting the CRF... Will BDRB automatically 'know' to leave the larger, primary file untouched, and compress the rest?

If there is enough space for the main movie, after compressing the extras, then it should just be copied over.
How big is the main movie?
Re the Gmail issue
They weren't sparing you, they were doing us a favour:D:D

[Lathe]

If there is enough space for the main movie, after compressing the extras, then it should just be copied over.
How big is the main movie?
Re the Gmail issue
They weren't sparing you, they were doing us a favour:D:D

OUCH! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

Sorry, I added in the disc size above. The lone episode on this disc is as I mentioned, only about 7.x gigs, so the other 15+ gigs left is plenty for all the Xtras at a faster rate (If I can figure out how to do it...)

The deal is that I scored this awesome set from the UK, but of course if is Region 'B' locked. So, I've backed up the other 5 discs to the VERY last 5 BD-50's that I had (I know... but I really LOVE this series and it looks frigg'n AMAZING!) So, the last disc only has one episode in it and several Xtras. I normally am not hyper-critical about super duper compression with the Xtras, so if there was a way to sneak the full uncompressed episode along with all the Xtras onto a regular BD-25, that would be great.

[Lathe]

I suppose keeping the full menu structure isn't absolutely necessary. Normally, in most cases I just use BDRB and import the segments and use it's own menu. It's just that in this case, there are quite a few Xtras, so it would be CONVENIENT to be able to keep the menu structure if possible. I know JD is rolling his eyes right about now saying, 'Just compress the whole disc already!' :D

That's probably what I will do. Just would have been interesting to figure out how to do it.

[gonca]

Try a full disc back up with quicker encode for extras. Adjust the crf used for the extras until the episode fits without encoding
This should keep the menu

[Lathe]

Try a full disc back up with quicker encode for extras. Adjust the crf used for the extras until the episode fits without encoding
This should keep the menu

Gonca, I really love you man, but you are repeating yourself mate :)

You already suggested that I think in your first post, but I mentioned in reply that I don't understand how to 'adjust the CRF for the extras' If you can explain to me how to do that, that would be great, thanks!

*** EDIT

Wait! YES, actually, sorry, I DO remember now how to do that. I set the ini for is it 'alternate crf' or something like that. Right now, I think I have it set for 24.

So, what you are saying is that for me just to go ahead and do the re-encode and then if the episode isn't passed through untouched (or close to that) then set the alternate CRF for like 28 or something like that and then do it again...?

[Lathe]

Oh, here we go! Is it this setting:

QUICK_CRF=24

[Lathe]

Ah crumb! There is one hitch though dang it! There is ONE Xtra that actually is larger than the one episode. The episode is about 7.x Gigs and the one Xtra is about 11 Gigs. Dang! Is there a way to flag the episode as the main title or tell BDRB that the 11 Gig segment is an Xtra...?

I bet not... :(

[gonca]

Ah crumb! There is one hitch though dang it! There is ONE Xtra that actually is larger than the one episode. The episode is about 7.x Gigs and the one Xtra is about 11 Gigs. Dang! Is there a way to flag the episode as the main title or tell BDRB that the 11 Gig segment is an Xtra...?

I bet not... :(

As far as I know, you win the bet

[Lathe]

As far as I know, you win the bet

Thanks... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[gonca]

Actually, try loading the disc into BD_RB
The section that is expanded, shows audio subs etc, does it show the episode or the large extra

[Lathe]

Actually, try loading the disc into BD_RB
The section that is expanded, shows audio subs etc, does it show the episode or the large extra

Hmmm, I'll do it again and check that...

[Lathe]

Yeah... the expanded one is the 11 Gig segment. You'd kind of THINK, maybe, that BDRB would select the main title with the HD audio, but I guess the bigger size is usually correct.

[Lathe]

Heh, it's SO close too, in a way... In 'Movie Only' there is a choice of 'Other Main Movie' playlist. Now, if in 'Full Backup' mode, there was SOME bloody way also to choose 'Another Main Movie' playlist, that would be perfect!

Hmmm, one thing I could TRY is to extract the 11 Gig Xtra and using x264 go ahead and shrink it by itself to say 2 Gigs or whatever. Then, re-insert that new, smaller m2ts back into and replace the original within the whole BD structure, THEN try opening that altered full structure into BDRB and see if it 'buys' it...

[Lathe]

Well, it LOOKS like it is working. I took the 11 Gig Xtra and used BDRB at a CRF of 24 to bring it down to about 2.6 Gigs, changed the name of the resulting m2ts file to the original name (number) and swapped the new, smaller file back in the structure in place of the 11 Gig original. BDRB then SEEMED to accept the new structure. So, now the 'movie' file is shown to be the actual 7.x Gig episode, with everything else being Xtras. Then, I reloaded the new (and improved) structure back into BDRB and am now reprocessing it. So far, no errors or anything. So, we'll see if the resulting product (1) has left the episode it's original size, and (2) see if the bloody thing actually plays correctly!

[MrVideo]

I suspected that what you were going to do was going to work. Why? Because you weren't going to play the new structure in a BD software, or hardware, player.

BDRB, on the other hand, just sees them as files.

[musiclover]

Well, it LOOKS like it is working. I took the 11 Gig Xtra and used BDRB at a CRF of 24 to bring it down to about 2.6 Gigs, changed the name of the resulting m2ts file to the original name (number) and swapped the new, smaller file back in the structure in place of the 11 Gig original. BDRB then SEEMED to accept the new structure. So, now the 'movie' file is shown to be the actual 7.x Gig episode, with everything else being Xtras. Then, I reloaded the new (and improved) structure back into BDRB and am now reprocessing it. So far, no errors or anything. So, we'll see if the resulting product (1) has left the episode it's original size, and (2) see if the bloody thing actually plays correctly!

If it is not working, maybe this will help you
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1678011#post1678011

[Lathe]

I suspected that what you were going to do was going to work. Why? Because you weren't going to play the new structure in a BD software, or hardware, player.

BDRB, on the other hand, just sees them as files.

Well, when I get chance, I will burn to disc and see if that works. After re-encoding last night, I checked the log this morning (I always make a nice big log in the morning... :rolleyes: ) cough..., sorry... anyway I checked the log in the morning and sure enough the last episode file was passed through (see, same idea...) untouched.

So, if it burns okay that hopefully should be it. Like I say, if it comes down to it, honestly, if I simply have to do a full disc backup set at 'High' 2 pass with tweaks like I normally do for larger films, and with a fast encode for Xtras, I'm sure that will be just fine...

We'll see...

[Lathe]

If it is not working, maybe this will help you
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1678011#post1678011

Wow, good find mate! Thanks kindly, but that is just a TAD over my pay grade, I'm afraid. I'll see if my bumbling so far has worked and go from there...

[Lathe]

YEP! It worked! and the SUPER compressed 1 1/2 hr Xtra along with everything else looks LOVELY!

I guess I'm a clever li'l B@stard after all... :cool:

[gonca]

I always make a nice big log in the morning... and sure enough the last episode was passed through
@Lathe
Is this your main accomplishment for the day?

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Is this your main accomplishment for the day?

Yep... and damn proud of it! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Rock On1.gif

[MrVideo]

If it is not working, maybe this will help you
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1678011#post1678011
Ya, all those steps explain why, in a round about way, why you can't just drop a new M2TS file into a BD structure. :D

[Lathe]

Ya, all those steps explain why, in a round about way, why you can't just drop a new M2TS file into a BD structure. :D

Yeah... but I indeed DID drop a pre-compressed m2ts back into the structure, and I DIDN'T do ANY of that complicated stuff and it worked!


http://lathe-of-heaven.com/batman.gif

[jdobbs]

Yeah... but I indeed DID drop a pre-compressed m2ts back into the structure, and I DIDN'T do ANY of that complicated stuff and it worked!Generally a bad idea. There are references to specifics of that m2ts in other parts of the BD structure. It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps. Sometimes it might even cause a lock-up.

[worknstiff]

@ jdobbs RE: It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps.
I just did a rebuild of JW Chapter Two and the original rip plays fine but the BD Rebuilder version no longer displays the PiP "Pop-up" menu. I even tried to drop-in the rebuilt m2ts files into the "original" blue ray folder which just locks up playback. I wonder what BD Rebuilder changes that breaks the chapter selection pop-up?

[jdobbs]

@ jdobbs RE: It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps.
I just did a rebuild of JW Chapter Two and the original rip plays fine but the BD Rebuilder version no longer displays the PiP "Pop-up" menu. I even tried to drop-in the rebuilt m2ts files into the "original" blue ray folder which just locks up playback. I wonder what BD Rebuilder changes that breaks the chapter selection pop-up?I'll pick that one up sometime in the next day or two and give it a test.

[Lathe]

Generally a bad idea. There are references to specifics of that m2ts in other parts of the BD structure. It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps. Sometimes it might even cause a lock-up.

Bummer... Well, good to know. Perhaps, I just got 'Lucky' this time. I will check the burn more carefully. Fortunately, it is fairly rare for an Xtra to be larger than the 'main movie' file, in this case a single episode.

Of course, if one could specify which playlist is to be used as the main movie file in a full backup.... (cough... cough...)

[MrVideo]

Yeah... but I indeed DID drop a pre-compressed m2ts back into the structure, and I DIDN'T do ANY of that complicated stuff and it worked!
As I wrote previously, it would not have have worked if you would have burned a disc and tried to play it in a software player, or a hardware player.

BDRB only looks at the M2TS files, not the other files that make the structure playable, as BDRB rebuilds those other files. That is why it worked.

[jdobbs]

As I wrote previously, it would not have have worked if you would have burned a disc and tried to play it in a software player, or a hardware player.

BDRB only looks at the M2TS files, not the other files that make the structure playable, as BDRB rebuilds those other files. That is why it worked.That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).

[CV91913]

I'll pick that one up sometime in the next day or two and give it a test.

That title has some unusual protection. It has playlist obfuscation but something else is at play. I was able to make a "movie only" BD but was unable to make a 720p MP4. The picture was really messed up. Screen would go black or white and pixilate. I even used the movie only structure (it used the correct playlist) to make the MP4, with the same results. For whatever reason, Clone BD was able to make the MP4 using the movie only structure. I don't normally use Clone BD because of its limited subtitle support for MP4.

[Lathe]

As I wrote previously, it would not have have worked if you would have burned a disc and tried to play it in a software player, or a hardware player.

BDRB only looks at the M2TS files, not the other files that make the structure playable, as BDRB rebuilds those other files. That is why it worked.

Oh, but I DID burn it my friend, and it (seemed) to play on my OPPO just fine. That's what I've been telling you :)

[Lathe]

That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).

Hmmm, maybe that's the key...

Remember, I did use BDRB first to compress the 11 Gig Xtra down to about 2.6 Gigs. Then I took that one m2ts and put it back into the full Blu-ray structure and replaced the previous 11 Gig m2ts. Then I used BDRB to process the entire disc as I normally would. So, however that worked, BDRB accepted the 'whole disc' and processed it even though I had substituted the BDRB processed m2ts back into the original structure.

So, YOU would certainly know better WHY, but for whatever reason, when BDRB 'read' and processed the entire modified structure, it didn't get tripped up by the fact that the one m2ts had been replaced.

Of course, once it was done processing the entire disc it obviously had altered everything within it as it normally would. Now, I don't know if it would have made a difference if I had just processed the m2ts file independently using x264 with a CMD line. Maybe since I used BDRB to process the file first it saw it as 'friendly'...

[SuperFist]

That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).

Jdobbs,

I would like to say your software, though you claim it to be still in Beta after all these years, is THE best compression program I've ever used for Blu-ray! I've even compared in the past, screenshot for screenshot, against the likes of DVDFab more than a few times. It can't be beat as far as I know!

And this begs the question, why have you not went retail with this software? I know I will piss off many in this thread and those who've come to rely on your software wholeheartedly and as a backup. I'm just curious why you think it's not ready for primetime?

Because I can tell you now, I can run down an almost endless list of big name companies who make software with FAR MORE bugs than I've seen in this thread!

[Lathe]

Jdobbs,

I would like to say your software, though you claim it to be still in Beta after all these years, is THE best compression program I've ever used for Blu-ray! I've even compared in the past, screenshot for screenshot, against the likes of DVDFab more than a few times. It can't be beat as far as I know!

And this begs the question, why have you not went retail with this software? I know I will piss off many in this thread and those who've come to rely on your software wholeheartedly and as a backup. I'm just curious why you think it's not ready for primetime?

Because I can tell you now, I can run down an almost endless list of big name companies who make software with FAR MORE bugs than I've seen in this thread!

Ah, yet another clever but transparent ruse by JD...

And, to think that one of our revered Heroes would stoop so low... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[SuperFist]

Ah, yet another clever but transparent ruse by JD...

And, to think that one of our revered Heroes would stoop so low... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

Wait, what? Are you insinuating that I'm jdobbs? It's gotten to that point now? Wow... I've been away too long! :(

This is who I am...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p278/cashflow71/YouTube_zpse6h20huj.png

[spotswood]

That title (JW2) has some unusual protection. It has playlist obfuscation but something else is at play...Yes, something else is going on. I ran both a BD25 and a BD9 movie n menus (blanking extras) and both have problems with the menus. When trying to play a specific chapter the movie always starts from the beginning, and at the end of the movie both hang and don't return to the main menu. I tried both again as Full Backup and the menus still don't work correctly. Might have to go the movie-only route with this one too unless you can come up with a fix...

[Lathe]

Wait, what? Are you insinuating that I'm jdobbs? It's gotten to that point now? Wow... I've been away too long! :(

This is who I am...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p278/cashflow71/YouTube_zpse6h20huj.png

Again, very clever...

I took the liberty of using some very advanced, cutting edge face-recognition algorithms on your profile photo. You take away the Afro, turn the face white, and add a whole bunch of wrinkles, and you have JD...

[MrVideo]

That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).
You do not modify the two other files that go with a M2TS if you do not do the re-encode? Interesting. I thought you rebuilt all of those files, no matter what.

[MrVideo]

Oh, but I DID burn it my friend, and it (seemed) to play on my OPPO just fine. That's what I've been telling you :)
I misunderstood. I thought you were playing the BDRB backup version, not the BD structure before doing the backup.

I tried doing that once by using tsmuxer to make a M2TS file and put it back into the BD structure and it would not play. It was not liked at all by my player.

[MrVideo]

And this begs the question, why have you not went[sic] retail with this software?
That might draw the attention of HollyGreed. They do not like anything that gives the appearance of being able to do backups of their product, even though BDRB doesn't do encryption breaking and is not technically in violation of the copyright act, which allows owners to back up their media. The DMCA says otherwise, but the difference has yet to come up in the courts,

[Lathe]

You do not modify the two other files that go with a M2TS if you do not do the re-encode? Interesting. I thought you rebuilt all of those files, no matter what.

I don't quite understand what you mean here, sorry...

Also, as per your post after this one, I played the resultant Blu-ray after I re-inserted the shrunk m2ts file back into the original BD structure (37 Gigs) and then processed the entire structure with BDRB to render a final BD25 disc that played just fine.

Like I mentioned in a post before, I MIGHT have gotten away with it because I used BDRB itself to shrink the 11 Gig Xtra so that it would then be smaller than the 'main movie' file, which in reality is the one episode on the disc, so that THEN with a smaller sized Xtra, BDRB would THEN rightly recognize the one episode RATHER than what would have been the larger Xtra as the 'main movie file' That way, when I processed the altered version of the BD structure, I could then use 'fast encode for Xtras' and leave the lone episode untouched. That was my primary reason for doing this. Otherwise, untouched, BDRB would have recognized the 11 Gig Xtra as the 'main movie file', and then using 'fast encode for Xtras' would unfortunately shrink the episode while leaving the 11 Gig Xtra untouched.

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFist

And this begs the question, why have you not went[sic] retail with this software?

Heh... Dude, you are such a frigg'n PERFECTIONIST! :D