BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Shylock]

Just tested BDRB 0.47.03 with "Wreck-it Ralph" and "Brave" both Region B french 3D release.
Backups working perfectly on TMT 6 and Standalone players Panasonic DMP-BDT 100 and Oppo BDP-103EU.
Seamless branching and multiangle works fine. The only difference is the lack of subtitles depth on backup.

Thanks for the great piece of software. Donation on its way

[rusty666]

is the 3d mux only for the powerdvbd that people are having problems with ?

[jdobbs]

Just tested BDRB 0.47.03 with "Wreck-it Ralph" and "Brave" both Region B french 3D release.
Backups working perfectly on TMT 6 and Standalone players Panasonic DMP-BDT 100 and Oppo BDP-103EU.
Seamless branching and multiangle works fine. The only difference is the lack of subtitles depth on backup.

Thanks for the great piece of software. Donation on its wayGood to know. Thanks.

I know I need to do something about subtitle depth -- I'm just not sure how I'm going to do it yet.

[Starfiresg1]

Without a doubt the issue is PowerDVD, not BD-RB.

That's without question. I wouldn't even have tried it if others hadn't reported issues. In my experience software players are plagued with many issues (not able to play some discs - constant updates needed to player newer discs ...).
My Panasonic standalone so far has not complained about any disc I have thrown at it.

(Sadly there was a time prior to a 3D TV when software players and red/cyan output was the only way to watch 3D.)

On another note: My last backups of Jurassic Park (out-of-mux) and Upside Down (in-mux) both finished without problems :)

[Racer]

Can BD Rebuilder also be used with DGDecIM?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170237

[jdobbs]

Can BD Rebuilder also be used with DGDecIM?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170237Not currently, but at some point it will support it.

[Ch3vr0n]

It's a PDVD issue alright, TMT6 plays it just "fine" although with fast flickering pixellation issues. I'll rerun the job tonight with inmux

@jdobbs: i can live with 6hrs aswell. Some "normal" BDs take that long too

[colinhunt]

i can live with 6hrs aswell. Some "normal" BDs take that long too
Which reminds me... QuickSync can accelerate AVC encoding as well. Ahem.

:D

[Yordan5]

Good to know. Thanks.

I know I need to do something about subtitle depth -- I'm just not sure how I'm going to do it yet.

The issue seems to be with tsMuxeR. When re-muxing a ripped 3D movie, the subtitles lose the 3D effect. If re-muxed a second time and allocate subtitle plane to the subtitle track, the 3d effect comes back.

[jdobbs]

The issue seems to be with tsMuxeR. When re-muxing a ripped 3D movie, the subtitles lose the 3D effect. If re-muxed a second time and allocate subtitle plane to the subtitle track, the 3d effect comes back.I knew the issue was with TSMUXER, but I didn't know a second mux could fix it... does that work every time? If so I can see what changes and fix it after the first time.

[jdobbs]

I may be able to get the 3D effect for subtitles working for the next release. Yordan5's post reminded me I hadn't added the plane parameter to the PGS muxing (despite my notes) in the new code I added for full-backups. I just tested it on a short and it seemed to work. I'll need to do some testing on several discs to be sure.

[Ch3vr0n]

well running the topgun job again but this time with in mux. curious how it'll turn out

[raul124]

Hi forum, what does mp4box mean?
03/31/14] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.47.03 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Working Path Free Space: 116.68GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: 1.9.42.1, Ok
- FFDSHOW: 4504, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Missing
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[03/31/14] Systems Settings Check complete

[jdobbs]

Hi forum, what does mp4box mean?
03/31/14] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.47.03 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Working Path Free Space: 116.68GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: 1.9.42.1, Ok
- FFDSHOW: 4504, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Missing
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[03/31/14] Systems Settings Check completeMP4Box is the tool used for creation of MP4 files. I just looked at the code. The INSPECT report is incorrect, MP4Box is not missing. I will correct it in the next release.

[Ch3vr0n]

I know you will be making it default in the next release but i just wanted to post back. Topgun 3D job just finished with the inmux method. I wanted to post back and confirm that it indeed has fixed the issue in PDVD 11 not showing depth. The conversion does still suffer from constant fast flickering pixelation issues spread acros the screen. (atleast in TMT 5, & PDVD 11) As i do not have a standalone setup i cannot confirm this is purely a software problem or also a hardware problem.

**edit** i will try a different movie tonight to see if it is a disc related problem (as the quality isn't exactly pristine to begin with, it is after all a rather old movie that was adapted to 3d) or a general problem

[colinhunt]

I know you will be making it default in the next release but i just wanted to post back. Topgun 3D job just finished with the inmux method. I wanted to post back and confirm that it indeed has fixed the issue in PDVD 11 not showing depth. The conversion does still suffer from constant fast flickering pixelation issues spread acros the screen. (atleast in TMT 5, & PDVD 11) As i do not have a standalone setup i cannot confirm this is purely a software problem or also a hardware problem.
I've now done 4 titles (hardware decode/encode) with in-mux method and all play perfectly on a stand-alone player, no flickering pixelation in sight.

[Ch3vr0n]

Could you try a software player such as pdvd or tmt? And with the defaults of software decode / encode. As i do not have an i series system. I don't have a standalone. If ppl have recommendations for a pre-cinavia era Panasonic or LG 3d player my pm box is waiting.

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[colinhunt]

Could you try a software player such as pdvd or tmt?
No problems on PDVD13. I don't have TMT.

And with the defaults of software decode / encode.
I might do, once I get my dual-Xeon rig fixed. My i7 rig is now for hardware encodes only :|

e: Ohhkay, dual-Xeon is up again, and running a software encode/decode job now... huh, WTH? CPU usage is only around 35-37% and BDRB chugs along at a measly 5fps. And this from a dual-X5660. Not good, there's a bottleneck somewhere...

[G1nger]

Is there an FAQ or wiki for how to process 3D BD? I've looked through the posts but can't find a simple "how to". For example I've tried my 3D Life of Pi with versions 46.14 and 47.03 with mixed results. With 46.14 I did a movie only 25GB and checked the Enable SBS option with the resulting output playing fine on my PS3 and media player. When I tried full back up with 47.03 (SBS option not checked) and target size BD-50) the output didn't seem to be in 3D. What am I doing wrong? Sorry if this wasn't posted in the right forum.

[jdobbs]

Is there an FAQ or wiki for how to process 3D BD? I've looked through the posts but can't find a simple "how to". For example I've tried my 3D Life of Pi with versions 46.14 and 47.03 with mixed results. With 46.14 I did a movie only 25GB and checked the Enable SBS option with the resulting output playing fine on my PS3 and media player. When I tried full back up with 47.03 (SBS option not checked) and target size BD-50) the output didn't seem to be in 3D. What am I doing wrong? Sorry if this wasn't posted in the right forum.All you do is select a 3D source and everything is automatic. What do you mean by "didn't seem to be in 3D" -- how did you check it?

[G1nger]

jdobbs thanks for your quick reply. First off let me say thanks to you for all your efforts with BD Rebuilder. I've recently started using it using it and have never had any issues until I tried experimenting with 3D. The buzz on the forum around full 3D backups compelled me to give it a try. I've tried to learn on my own by reading the posts here and by trial and error but being unable to find a guide figured I'd ask the experts here on the forum. Forgive me if I don't give you the full scientific answer but I checked it by playing the ISO from my media player which supports 3D ISO and MKV files thru my AVR to my 3D plasma. When I played the file there was no "3D signal detected" message as there was with the 46.14 ISO. I tried using the 3D/2D button on the TV and didn't see any difference. I could tell immediately when I played the 46.14 ISO that it was in 3D. The only changes I made in 47.03 was a) the SBS option was unchecked and b) I set the output size to BB 50. I figured maybe I should have left the SBS option checked? Oh, and the 46.14 ISO would not play in 2D but the 47.03 was definitely only 2D. I deleted my working folder with the ISO and INI afterwards so no log file to check. I can try again and see what happens. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing in the process. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Either you left something out, or I don't understand how you got the ISO from 47.03. The newer version doesn't create ISO files by default. It creates folders. You'd have to add a hidden entry to your INI to create an ISO. Second - are you sure your player supports true BD-3D or only SBS? Your test with 46.14 used SBS output, while the 47.03 attempt didn't.

[DVD Maniac]

My default output when using BDRB now is Matroska .mkv file, Single Pass, CRF=18, Intact Audio as I prefer the single file result, the quality is indistinguishable from the source and I store on HDD so variable output size is not an issue. I have been using these settings for at least the last 20 runs and the output is fine. But since v46.13 I am now getting mixed results. Starting up the file with my preferred Player (Zoom Player) takes ages - up to 10 -15 seconds and if I select a random navigation point the player either crashes completely or another 10 - 15 seconds delay and usually audio and video totally out of sync. Same result with other players such as Power DVD or WMP.

Running Inspect.exe and it reported the HAALI Splitter as not recommended so I have rolled back to [1.9.42.1] and run some tests. However the newer version was working just fine before BDRB v46.13 so this is all a bit strange. Could the HAALI Splitter version cause these issues?

[J666RST]

I know you will be making it default in the next release but i just wanted to post back. Topgun 3D job just finished with the inmux method. I wanted to post back and confirm that it indeed has fixed the issue in PDVD 11 not showing depth. The conversion does still suffer from constant fast flickering pixelation issues spread acros the screen. (atleast in TMT 5, & PDVD 11) As i do not have a standalone setup i cannot confirm this is purely a software problem or also a hardware problem.
I had the fast flickering pixelation issue when playing on my Toshiba 3D laptop using Toshibas software, so it seems a software problem as my encode worked on fine on my standalone. Cant do any more tests at the moment as my SDD died 6 weeks out of warranty! Just waiting for my rescue disc before I can do more testing.

[Ch3vr0n]

just installed a trial of pdvd 13, to see if that one fixes it. Raiding in a game now, so will have to test later. Was testing in pdvd 11, 5 & 6

[Floque]

Either you left something out, or I don't understand how you got the ISO from 47.03. The newer version doesn't create ISO files by default. It creates folders. You'd have to add a hidden entry to your INI to create an ISO. Second - are you sure your player supports true BD-3D or only SBS? Your test with 46.14 used SBS output, while the 47.03 attempt didn't.


It took time using this fantastic program, mainly to have my copies of 3D security and a dvd 9 dvd 5 times without menu, always without any problems and some fantastic results. The problem comes when I see that I can now incorporate the full BD/3D with their menus on a DVD, I have no success does not appear anywhere on 3D SSIF folder nor does it create the ISO though that I've already read, you talk a Jokes input your INI not understand that point what I do wrong? or I have to configure for a complete BD/3D DVD? I have not touched anything as the program is therefore selected only language other than Spanish and Full Backup Mode.
They can explain to new people or inexperienced
Too long "Inspect" is not listed with the program, this change anything?
Excuse my language and have patience as using Google translator and unreliable.
Thank you all for the help.

[wakko709]

jdobbs is there a newer version out .46.13

[Ch3vr0n]

yes and no there is a 47.03 with experimental 3d full backup support. so unless you need/interested in that 46.14 is the latest

[Yordan5]

Could someone advise what settings I should use to get the most of this version in terms of speed and quality for MVC decoding/encoding? I see people mentioning Hardware and Software MVC encoding and I am not too sure how this is activated/deactivated. My system has i7 4770 with GeForce GTX 650 card. Do I need to take out the card and use the inbuilt Intel GPU for better results? Would appreciate some guidance on this as I am trying to test this version of BD-RB to the best potential of my system.

[colinhunt]

Could someone advise what settings I should use to get the most of this version in terms of speed and quality for MVC decoding/encoding? I see people mentioning Hardware and Software MVC encoding and I am not too sure how this is activated/deactivated. My system has i7 4770 with GeForce GTX 650 card. Do I need to take out the card and use the inbuilt Intel GPU for better results? Would appreciate some guidance on this as I am trying to test this version of BD-RB to the best potential of my system.
Your CPU has an internal Intel HD4600 GPU, which is good news: you can use Intel QuickSync to really speed up MVC encoding.

First things first: download and install the drivers for HD4600. Get the latest ones from Intel's driver download center. While you're at it, also download the previous driver release; it works better on my system than the latest drivers so if you run into problems, you might want to uninstall the latest drivers and try the previous ones instead.

You don't have to remove GeForce, but you do have to activate the HD4600. That means you need to A) connect a monitor to one of the display connectors on the motherboard or B) fool the HD4600 into thinking its connected to a display. A rough guide on how to do that can be found here: http://mirillis.com/en/products/tutorials/action-tutorial-intel-quick-sync-setup_for_desktops.html

Once HD4600 is activated and makes QuickSync available, you add three lines of text into BDREBUILDER.INI:

FORCE_INMUX_3D=1
FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0

First one forces BDRB 47.03 into using in-mux-3D instead of out-of-mux-3D. In-mux appears to work better with software players, and it won't make your BD drive commit suicide in 10 minutes :D

Next two lines tell FRIMEncoder to detect QuickSync hardware (i.e. HD4600) and use it if found. By setting both values to zero, your rig will do both decoding and encoding in hardware. By setting value to 1, you tell FRIMEncoder to use software decoding and/or encoding. The creator of FRIMEncoder wrote in another thread he does decoding in hardware but encoding in software.

Next step would be to mount an ISO image of a 3D BD, run BD-RB and make a Full Backup of the title.

[Yordan5]

Thank you for the detailed guide. Will revert once I've managed all of the above and done a 3D movie back up.

[jdobbs]

It took time using this fantastic program, mainly to have my copies of 3D security and a dvd 9 dvd 5 times without menu, always without any problems and some fantastic results. The problem comes when I see that I can now incorporate the full BD/3D with their menus on a DVD, I have no success does not appear anywhere on 3D SSIF folder nor does it create the ISO though that I've already read, you talk a Jokes input your INI not understand that point what I do wrong? or I have to configure for a complete BD/3D DVD? I have not touched anything as the program is therefore selected only language other than Spanish and Full Backup Mode.
They can explain to new people or inexperienced
Too long "Inspect" is not listed with the program, this change anything?
Excuse my language and have patience as using Google translator and unreliable.
Thank you all for the help.From the CHANGES.TXT file:- Implemented 3D Full Backup Mode. Note that
BD-RB converts 3D method so that the SSIF
folder is no longer required -- the method
is 100% compliant with the BD standard.
- Due to the changes in the way 3D is handled,
BD-RB no longer outputs to ISO by default on
movie-only 3D encodes. It can be enabled by
using the OUTPUT_3D_ISO hidden option. Note:
This option only applies to movie-only 3D
encodes.From changes in v0.46.10- Removed INSPECT.EXE from the build. The
same functionality is now available from
the BD-RB HELP menu.It's important that you read the CHANGES.TXT file with each new release.

[Floque]

Thank you very much for your quick response.
I will continue testing, is interesting

[meadrocks]

I'm trying to do Hunger Games Catching Fire, movie only, English audio, english sub, mp4 container, 1920x1080, CRF 22, autoaac, autogop, mp4box keeps failing, tried it 2 times. Has anyone tried this combo?

[Ch3vr0n]

Post the Bdrb log, nobody can help you without it

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[Ch3vr0n]

so just ran resident evil afterlife. The pixelation flickering has to be a software issue, as the quality of RE:A is 100x better to begin with compared to Top gun. Guess i'll have to go hunt for a standalone 3D player (hopefully i can find a pre-cinavia one)

[rusty666]

someone i gave hobbit to said it wont player proper on ther sammy c6900 i done a full 3d backup i dont have the log as they only just got back to me. it worked fine on mine and on a lg standalone

[rusty666]

is the 3d in mux so it ouputs the ssif file seperate? like in the last version

[rusty666]

same on ps3 aswell stutters he just said

[RobertM]

someone i gave hobbit to

Please refrain from talking about stuff like this. It is illegal activity and it could cause trouble for this site.

[rusty666]

ok . i have put a different 3d iso its 36 gb but bdrebuilder only reconizes 26 and does not do it in 3d only 2d? says mvc encoder enabled but when encodeing it only encodes as avc not mvc

[rusty666]

- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:30:17] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:30:17] Processing: VID_00032 (1 of 1)
- [12:30:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00032]
- [12:38:32] Reencoding video [VID_00032]
- [12:38:32] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [12:38:32] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
[12:38:32]PHASE ONE complete
[12:38:32]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [12:38:32] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[12:45:16] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[12:45:16] JOB: NURSE_3D finished.

[rusty666]

[04/02/14] BD Rebuilder v0.47.03 (beta)
[12:30:15] Source: NURSE_3D_00000
- Input BD size: 22.47 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:23:54.070]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Quality: High-Speed Option (BD-25+), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:30:17] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:30:17] Processing: VID_00032 (1 of 1)
- [12:30:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00032]
- [12:38:32] Reencoding video [VID_00032]
- [12:38:32] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [12:38:32] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
[12:38:32]PHASE ONE complete
[12:38:32]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [12:38:32] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[12:45:16] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[12:45:16] JOB: NURSE_3D finished.

[rusty666]

0.46.14 version did reconise the file as the full iso and mvc started encodeing the new version only reconises 2d

[varekai]

Got interested in the performance of Intel QuickSync.
Found this test from last year, is it's conclusion still valid?

http://www.tetrachromesoftware.com/q264Test1Analysis/q264test_1.html
http://www.tetrachromesoftware.com/q264Test1Analysis/q264test_conclusion.html

regards

[jdobbs]

I'm trying to do Hunger Games Catching Fire, movie only, English audio, english sub, mp4 container, 1920x1080, CRF 22, autoaac, autogop, mp4box keeps failing, tried it 2 times. Has anyone tried this combo?I didn't do that particular title, but I tested a couple of other movies to MP4 using that preset and they came out fine.

[jdobbs]

@rusty666

Please combine your thoughts into a single message before posting. When you make 3-4 posts for the same statement it makes the forum cluttered and hard to follow.

Thanks.

[Guest]

@rusty666

Please combine your thoughts into a single message before posting. When you make 3-4 posts for the same statement it makes the forum cluttered and hard to follow.
Or use the edit function to add further information if you need to augment something.

[rusty666]

no problem . is there any views @ jdobbs why its done that?

[jdobbs]

I'm not sure what you are asking... but one thing to note is that you are doing a movie-only backup. v0.47.03 only does out-of-mux 3D for movie-only encodes. The FORCE_INMUX_3D option doesn't apply to movie-only. I'm modifying BD-RB for the next release. All out-of-mux will be replaced by in-mux and the FORCE_INMUX_3D will go away.

I would suggest in the meantime that you set OUTPUT_3D_ISO=1 for movie-only encodes. That will generate an ISO that includes the SSIF folder. I probably should have left it as the default in this release, but I've never had any issues with out-of-mux on my players.