BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[picrade]

Nothing has changed in the handling of LPCM or HD audio. What have you selected as your output size? Please review the FAQ in the sticky on this sub-forum. My guess is that you are outputting to DVD-5/9 -- and HD Audio cannot be written to those discs (they are too small).

Fair enough.
I was reencoding some video clips individually so they would all fit on a BD-25.
The custom size was about 4-5 GB for each clip.

[jdobbs]

Fair enough.
I was reencoding some video clips individually so they would all fit on a BD-25.
The custom size was about 4-5 GB for each clip. Sometimes you'll find a single HD audio track that is 4-5GB by itself.

Of course my opinion is that HD audio is nothing more than a gimmick anyway. AC3 (DD5.1) is your best bet and is indistinguishable from the original in double-blind tests at 640Kbs.

[KeVe1983]

Hey jdobbs,

New Problem with Just Go With It

I'm on 38.04.

After Encoding to BD25 including Menue and Extras, the Menue did not work anymore.

The Background is playing, but no Buttons pop up.
Tested on PC with TMT and with my Dune HD SMART

Checked the original Menue m2ts, and the BD25 Menue m2ts. Both are the same, so Menue is not reencoded by BD RB.

Any help on this?

[jdobbs]

Hey jdobbs,

New Problem with Just Go With It

I'm on 38.04.

After Encoding to BD25 including Menue and Extras, the Menue did not work anymore.

The Background is playing, but no Buttons pop up.
Tested on PC with TMT and with my Dune HD SMART

Checked the original Menue m2ts, and the BD25 Menue m2ts. Both are the same, so Menue is not reencoded by BD RB.

Any help on this? Since the menu is unchanged, I have to assume the problem is elsewhere -- either media or (more likely) the player. Please test with a standalone player.

Is this a full backup, or have you edited (preprocessed) in some way to make a disc with only the menus and extras?

[KeVe1983]

The Dune HD Smart is a SA Player ;)

It's a full Backup, not edited before.

First Backup was from a Bluray i ripped myself.
Second Backup was from a Bluray ripped by a friend ;)

Both with the same result

[RobertM]

The Dune HD Smart is a SA Player

It sure looks like a HT-PC, not a "stand alone".

[jdobbs]

It sure looks like a HT-PC, not a "stand alone". It doesn't matter anyway... I'm picking up that disc later today and will give it a test.

[Capsbackup]

I did the R1 (A) version of Just Go With It to BD-25, ripped with Anydvd HD, and it worked perfectly for me! :)

[jdobbs]

I did the R1 (A) version of Just Go With It to BD-25, ripped with Anydvd HD, and it worked perfectly for me! :) Yeah, I suspect it will for me as well.

[worknstiff]

@RobertM RE:It sure looks like a HT-PC, not a "stand alone".

The Dune HD Smart is a Media File Network player that can play a Bluray file folder but you're right, It can hardly be called a "stand alone", disk player.

[isoss]

hoi Djobs

It is still not posible to encode secundare audio DTS expres when wil this problem be fix?

Greatings

Isoss

[Ch3vr0n]

no it still aint possible. It will be possible for jdobbs when he finds a solution to the remuxing problem he's got or when a free encoder is develloped or found that supports dts-e

[drmih]

Actually from earlier replies it looks like it has to be a remux of the original dts-e. It is possible to use eac3to to extract the dts-e track, and then ffmpeg or aften can re-encode it as an eac3, which could be remuxed and is a compliant secondary PiP audio format. However, apparently there can be control segments within the dts-e track to control the audio level and mixing, which would be lost in a re-encode. I have to say that I think that in most cases you could get away with using a re-encode eac3 track.

[jdobbs]

Actually from earlier replies it looks like it has to be a remux of the original dts-e. It is possible to use eac3to to extract the dts-e track, and then ffmpeg or aften can re-encode it as an eac3, which could be remuxed and is a compliant secondary PiP audio format. However, apparently there can be control segments within the dts-e track to control the audio level and mixing, which would be lost in a re-encode. I have to say that I think that in most cases you could get away with using a re-encode eac3 track. Actually I don't believe they (AFTEN or FFMPEG) can reencode it... because they can't decode it. Also, the output would have to be either E-AC3 (DD Plus) or DTS-E. I don't think either of those encoders can do that.

[drmih]

You're probably correct but I have used eac3to take a dts-e track from a disc and produce a standalone audio track (I can't remember whether I did it to ac3 or DTS) which is the correct length and I have listened to for verification. Although I haven't got a recent build, I have seen source code posts which advise that libavcodec now has a patch for eac3enc.c and FFMpeg does mention E-AC-3 encoding. There is the associated text:

"This patch set adds basic support for E-AC-3 encoding. The quality is pretty much still the same as normal AC-3, but this is the starting point for adding more E-AC-3 features. It does have the advantage of supporting a wider variety and range of bit rates rather than just the 19 supported by AC-3. For example, 48kHz content can go up to 1024kbps, and will eventually be able to go even higher.

This is part of my project sponsored by the Foundation for Free Multimedia Technology. Future improvements will include:

- E-AC-3 mixing and production metadata support
- high bitrate support using fewer blocks per frame
- AHT encoding (better quality via better quantization)
- Spectral Extension support
- optional: Enhanced Coupling "

**I have looked at the latest FFMpeg (26/06/2011) and the Help does give an insight, but whether it is suitable for what you're trying to achieve is beyond me:
"File formats:
D. = Demuxing supported
.E = Muxing supported
--

DE eac3 raw E-AC-3"

"E-AC-3 Encoder AVOptions:
-dialnorm <int> E..A. Dialogue Level (dB)
-stereo_rematrixing <int> E..A. Stereo Rematrixing
-channel_coupling <int> E..A. Channel Coupling
auto E..A. Selected by the Encoder
-cpl_start_band <int> E..A. Coupling Start Band
auto E..A. Selected by the Encoder"

"Codecs:
D..... = Decoding supported
.E.... = Encoding supported
..V... = Video codec
..A... = Audio codec
..S... = Subtitle codec
...S.. = Supports draw_horiz_band
....D. = Supports direct rendering method 1
.....T = Supports weird frame truncation
------

DEA eac3 ATSC A/52 E-AC-3"

[jdobbs]

And how would you decode DTS-E (for reencoding)? There are lots of ways to decode e-ac3, are you sure that isn't what you've reencoded before? If you've reencoded DTS-E -- then you must have a payware decoder installed somehow. I can tell you that nothing on my system will decode it. But if you've found a way to do it (with freeware), I'd love to hear the details.

The bottom line is that DTS-E should prefereably to be kept intact. In fact both DTS-E and E-AC3 secondary audio should be kept intact. Since the bitrate is already low, there is no reason to reencode. You really don't accomplish anything by doing so. The problem is how to remux DTS-E...

[drmih]

As I mentioned, you can extract the dts-e track from a disc using eac3to - either raw, or as I did, to another format. That definately works as I've done it (I will check that unbeknown to me a commericial codec wasn't picked up, as I have arcsoft installed - I certainly haven't got anything but software players on the machine). As there is currently only the ability to remux an E-AC3 track, the suggestion was that as a work around you could convert from DTS-E into E-AC3 to get a secondary audio capability. Obviously keeping them untouched and remuxing them has got to be better, but given that no one has successfully managed this in a year and a half suggests that it's not easy.

**Reading through the old updates to eac3to it appears that it might automatically pick up either the nero or arcsoft dts decoders if present. Although these are 'commercial', given that many people will have them installed, couldn't it be an option to use these if present? I remember there was a work around in the early versions when there was the issue with the fields (before a solution was found) where an arcsoft library was used.

[jdobbs]

As I mentioned, you can extract the dts-e track from a disc using eac3to - either raw, or as I did, to another format. That definately works as I've done it (I will check that unbeknown to me a commericial codec wasn't picked up, as I have arcsoft installed - I certainly haven't got anything but software players on the machine). As there is currently only the ability to remux an E-AC3 track, the suggestion was that as a work around you could convert from DTS-E into E-AC3 to get a secondary audio capability. Obviously keeping them untouched and remuxing them has got to be better, but given that no one has successfully managed this in a year and a half suggests that it's not easy.

**Reading through the old updates to eac3to it appears that it might automatically pick up either the nero or arcsoft dts decoders if present. Although these are 'commercial', given that many people will have them installed, couldn't it be an option to use these if present? I remember there was a work around in the early versions when there was the issue with the fields (before a solution was found) where an arcsoft library was used. Sorry, but I will not build any dependencies on commercial software.

[illuminatori]

Hello, i dont know if this is a bug or just me missing something obvious.

Just did a fresh install of my OS (win 7) downloaded all files from first page of this thread (as i have done on numerous occasions before) when i ran the inspection it reported HAALI splitter wrong version-so i did a wipe and re-download but the same thing happend again.

Is it a problem on my side or is there something wrong with the download.


- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Isn't recommended version
- FFDSHOW: 3882, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.38.0.4, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok

Thank you.

[jdobbs]

That's a bug in v0.38.04. If the size of the HAALI\Matroskasplitter program folder is 5,341,184 bytes you should be alright.

[illuminatori]

Thank you for your reply and for a great programe.

[drmih]

Sorry, but I will not build any dependencies on commercial software.

Okay. Perhaps just a quick question. Assuming I only have a rudimentary knowledge of bdedit, if I was to convert a dts-e track to eac3, and then remux the m2ts with it, how messed up with the files be to make them ready for bd rebuilder? I know that I'd have to change the flag of the audio stream type, but is that just the tip of the iceberg?

[jdobbs]

Okay. Perhaps just a quick question. Assuming I only have a rudimentary knowledge of bdedit, if I was to convert a dts-e track to eac3, and then remux the m2ts with it, how messed up with the files be to make them ready for bd rebuilder? I know that I'd have to change the flag of the audio stream type, but is that just the tip of the iceberg? With a secondary it's likely to be a mess, because of the way they are referenced in the MPLS.

[picrade]

That's a bug in v0.38.04. If the size of the HAALI\Matroskasplitter program folder is 5,341,184 bytes you should be alright.

I have similar problem as illuminatori a few posts ago with Inspect on a new Windows 7 machine.
It checks AVISYNTH version which is ok then it pops up the error:

Run-time error '13':
Type mismatch

The next item to check would have been Matroska splitter.
The size of my Matroska splitter folder is 5,298,204.
The size on disk is 5,341,184.
This is the version I downloaded using the link on the first page of this thread.

Is this error also related to the bug in 0.39.04 that you mentioned?

[jfcarbel]

In the first post regarding ffdshow- "and make sure MPEG2 decoding is enabled. "

Can you indicate if we should choose libmpeg2 or libavcodec.

[jdobbs]

I have similar problem as illuminatori a few posts ago with Inspect on a new Windows 7 machine.
It checks AVISYNTH version which is ok then it pops up the error:

Run-time error '13':
Type mismatch

The next item to check would have been Matroska splitter.
The size of my Matroska splitter folder is 5,298,204.
The size on disk is 5,341,184.
This is the version I downloaded using the link on the first page of this thread.

Is this error also related to the bug in 0.39.04 that you mentioned? No that wouldn't be related to the error I mentioned. Weird, though, that you could get that error when others don't. I'll check it out.

You're right, I quoted the "size on disc" rather than the actual size. 5,298,204 is what I should have said.

[jdobbs]

In the first post regarding ffdshow- "and make sure MPEG2 decoding is enabled. "

Can you indicate if we should choose libmpeg2 or libavcodec. Either is fine. I use libavcodec.

[RobertM]

Hi Folks,

I'm having a small problem with a BD-25 "movie only" backup of Wall-E (region A). The entire rebuild plays fine up to about the 1:10:00 mark, then there is a slight hesitation (a few seconds), and then, without any intervention from me, the movie continues perfectly to the end. I tried a BD-50 "full" backup and it doesn't have the hesitation. I repeated the BD-25 "movie only" rebuild and the hesitation appears again at exactly the same spot. My standalone player is a Sony S580, and I tried this with both BD-RB 38.03 and 38.04.

I noticed that the "movie only" rebuild was only approx 19 GB and that no re-encoding was required, so I used tsMuxeR to create a manual rebuild. I joined all the parts of the stream together, using BD-Rebuilder to guide me in selecting the playlist file order. The resulting contiguous m2ts file plays fine without the hesitation.

I've done many builds and this is the first instance of a glitch like this. My manual build works fine, so I'm not in any panic over this. But if further investigation is warranted to determine if this is an actual bug then I'm willing to do some more troubleshooting.

Regards,
Bob

[owine]

Trying to shrink a BD50 to a BD25, but keep hitting this error (attached) no matter what disc I try.

Have all the requirements, inspect comes back clean. Something on my end? Any help appreciated.

[jfcarbel]

I scanned over the release notes and did not find any new features related to cutting end credits. tsmuxer does accept values to cut a stream.

Does BD rebuilder use tsmuxer and if so could it be possible to add a hidden_Opt to pass in these cut parms?

Have some titles that are only over by a hair and then they have to be re-encoded. Would be nice to be able to chop a ## number of minutes of the end od the stream.

[jdobbs]

Trying to shrink a BD50 to a BD25, but keep hitting this error (attached) no matter what disc I try.

Have all the requirements, inspect comes back clean. Something on my end? Any help appreciated.That error is "File already exists". Try cleaning out the WORKFILES folder and try again. BD-RB is attempting to rename the output files from the audio extraction and can't because the target already exists.

[jdobbs]

I scanned over the release notes and did not find any new features related to cutting end credits. tsmuxer does accept values to cut a stream.

Does BD rebuilder use tsmuxer and if so could it be possible to add a hidden_Opt to pass in these cut parms?

Have some titles that are only over by a hair and then they have to be re-encoded. Would be nice to be able to chop a ## number of minutes of the end od the stream. Please put requests in the "Features Request" thread. This is a bug reporting thread.

[Edit] I see you've added it there as well...

[berndy2001]

Hello,

I have problems with Gladiator - 10th Anniversary Edition (Extended and theatrical version on one disc). The Main movie is splitted in many m2ts files.

There are a lot of judders in one m2ts file (chapter), when playing with powerdvd 11 (I know I should test it on a standalone first, but I havn't one).
The strange thing is, the file (00125.m2ts) isn't processed by BR-RB. So the HD audio and some languages are not removed from this part.
Why is the part 125 not processed by BR-RB? File has 187MB, so not too small...

[jdobbs]

Hello,

I have problems with Gladiator - 10th Anniversary Edition (Extended and theatrical version on one disc). The Main movie is splitted in many m2ts files.

There are a lot of judders in one m2ts file (chapter), when playing with powerdvd 11 (I know I should test it on a standalone first, but I havn't one).
The strange thing is, the file (00125.m2ts) isn't processed by BR-RB. So the HD audio and some languages are not removed from this part.
Why is the part 125 not processed by BR-RB? File has 187MB, so not too small... If the MPLS lists an M2TS as a part of a playlist, it should be processsed with the same parameters as all other parts of the playlist. If it doesn't, there has to be a bug in there somewhere. I'll do some testing on that disc to make sure everything is working correctly.

[jdobbs]

Hello,

I have problems with Gladiator - 10th Anniversary Edition (Extended and theatrical version on one disc). The Main movie is splitted in many m2ts files.

There are a lot of judders in one m2ts file (chapter), when playing with powerdvd 11 (I know I should test it on a standalone first, but I havn't one).
The strange thing is, the file (00125.m2ts) isn't processed by BR-RB. So the HD audio and some languages are not removed from this part.
Why is the part 125 not processed by BR-RB? File has 187MB, so not too small... I can't seem to find that disc. Is if available in the US? All I can find is the "Sapphire Series" and no Extended version.

[owine]

That error is "File already exists". Try cleaning out the WORKFILES folder and try again. BD-RB is attempting to rename the output files from the audio extraction and can't because the target already exists.

Cleared the target working folder and still getting the same error. Even tried a fresh working folder, no luck.

Edit: Let me add some details about my setup since it is unconventional. I have a Mac but run Windows 7 x64 in BootCamp. I also use Parallels to run in a VM. Native or virtualized I get the same error. The drive I am using is an external HFS+ drive that is accessed either using MacDrive when native or thru Parallels sharing when virtualized. Not sure if this would have an effect,but figure I would mention it.

[berndy2001]

Thanks for looking at it.

the playlists lists the m2ts file (see screenshot).

I can´t find a availability for the US, its a german edition. There a two editions on the disc: Extended with 2:50:56 and normal with 2:34:58 runtime.
But I think the Sapphire Series (remasted) (http://www.dvdtown.com/moviedatabase/release-details/gladiator/blu-ray/28838) is like the 10th Anniversary Edition (also remasted). On both discs are the normal and extended edition.

Edit: Maybe its not the same edition, german is from Universal, US from Paramount...

[jdobbs]

Cleared the target working folder and still getting the same error. Even tried a fresh working folder, no luck.

Edit: Let me add some details about my setup since it is unconventional. I have a Mac but run Windows 7 x64 in BootCamp. I also use Parallels to run in a VM. Native or virtualized I get the same error. The drive I am using is an external HFS+ drive that is accessed either using MacDrive when native or thru Parallels sharing when virtualized. Not sure if this would have an effect,but figure I would mention it.

Sounds like there is a bug in the O/S interface that is preventing the system level renaming of files. But I'm no expert on Macs.

[jdobbs]

Thanks for looking at it.

the playlists lists the m2ts file (see screenshot).

I can´t find a availability for the US, its a german edition. There a two editions on the disc: Extended with 2:50:56 and normal with 2:34:58 runtime.
But I think the Sapphire Series (remasted) (http://www.dvdtown.com/moviedatabase/release-details/gladiator/blu-ray/28838) is like the 10th Anniversary Edition (also remasted). On both discs are the normal and extended edition.

Edit: Maybe its not the same edition, german is from Universal, US from Paramount... I guess I can try that one and see if it maps the same way as yours. I must have missed that it had an extended version on it...

[jdobbs]

Hi Folks,

I'm having a small problem with a BD-25 "movie only" backup of Wall-E (region A). The entire rebuild plays fine up to about the 1:10:00 mark, then there is a slight hesitation (a few seconds), and then, without any intervention from me, the movie continues perfectly to the end. I tried a BD-50 "full" backup and it doesn't have the hesitation. I repeated the BD-25 "movie only" rebuild and the hesitation appears again at exactly the same spot. My standalone player is a Sony S580, and I tried this with both BD-RB 38.03 and 38.04.

I noticed that the "movie only" rebuild was only approx 19 GB and that no re-encoding was required, so I used tsMuxeR to create a manual rebuild. I joined all the parts of the stream together, using BD-Rebuilder to guide me in selecting the playlist file order. The resulting contiguous m2ts file plays fine without the hesitation.

I've done many builds and this is the first instance of a glitch like this. My manual build works fine, so I'm not in any panic over this. But if further investigation is warranted to determine if this is an actual bug then I'm willing to do some more troubleshooting.

Regards,
Bob Start the whole job over again (instead of just a rebuild). It sounds like X264 may have crashed and the system didn't pick up the error.

If you are overclocked -- slow it down a little. When a glitch like this gets through it's usually something odd happening at the system level. As summer reaches its peak I see more-and-more of this kind of report due to system overheating.

[owine]

Sounds like there is a bug in the O/S interface that is preventing the system level renaming of files. But I'm no expert on Macs.

That would make sense, but this is the only app I've ever had issues with.

[jdobbs]

That would make sense, but this is the only app I've ever had issues with. Of course, on the other hand, no one is reporting this problem except in the instance where it is running on the Mac... That section of code is executed in every multi-part backup done by BD Rebuilder. I would also submit that those system functions aren't used often by other apps. A program usually names a file one time when it is created and it stays that way throughout processing. But BD Rebuilder has to do it because TSMUXER creates a ridiculously long unmanagable name when it extracts certain types of multi-part audio streams.

[owine]

Of course, on the other hand, no one is reporting this problem except in the instance where it is running on the Mac... That section of code is executed in every backup done by BD Rebuilder.

Whoops my edit did not go through.

I will see if I can try with an NTFS drive and whether that helps since I cannot replace the computer so easily.

[jdobbs]

Whoops my edit did not go through.

I will see if I can try with an NTFS drive and whether that helps since I cannot replace the computer so easily. That might do it.

[owine]

That might do it.

Happy to report than with a NTFS formatted drive for the workfiles, it gets past this error point so promising so far.

[Mishap64]

Nothing has changed in the handling of LPCM or HD audio. What have you selected as your output size? Please review the FAQ in the sticky on this sub-forum. My guess is that you are outputting to DVD-5/9 -- and HD Audio cannot be written to those discs (they are too small).

Ive looked all over and cant seem to find this FAQ. Since 38.04 any of the backups I do with HD Audio has no sound when the output is around 10 gigs. Been looking all over on what to do. I do not see any errors in the logs Thanks

I currently do backups and keep the m2ts movies for my HTPC playback

[jdobbs]

Ive looked all over and cant seem to find this FAQ. Since 38.04 any of the backups I do with HD Audio has no sound when the output is around 10 gigs. Been looking all over on what to do. I do not see any errors in the logs Thanks

I currently do backups and keep the m2ts movies for my HTPC playback I don't know how you can miss it. It's at the top of the page you clicked to get here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=157143

[Mishap64]

I seen that one, but it was written before 38.04 so I wasnt sure if it applied with the problem I am having with audio BD-5 or BD-9

[jdobbs]

I seen that one, but it was written before 38.04 so I wasnt sure if it applied with the problem I am having with audio BD-5 or BD-9 Do you really think I'm going to rewrite a new FAQ with every version released? I'll just update that one if something significant changes.

[colinhunt]

FYI folks, if you try to make a movie-only backup of Danish title "Klovn - the movie" and output is all messed up, be aware that it appears to be an issue with tsMuxeR, not BD-RB. Took me a while and some empirical tests to figure that out.