BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

No problem, I learned the art of patience long ago! :p
It is enough to know you are working on it, I appreciate that. :)
Enjoy your company!Groovy. :)

[Sharc]

I'll experiment with it. Hmmm... I didn't think about the sups -- I'd better check that.
Something odd here:
The --pulldown double encode plays smoothly with MPC-HC. It is however jerky with VLC and with the S357 / S360. It looks like if the 'wrong' picture would get pulled down, similar effect as wrong field order for interlaced material....
Any idea?

[colinhunt]

- Added a new hidden option called "KEEP_HD_LPCM". If
set to "0" while also keeping HD audio for BD25, only
DTS and DD HD audio will be kept intact. LPCM will be
converted to AC3. This is meant to help prevent huge
LPCM audio streams from stealing too much space and
negatively affecting video quality. The default value
is "1".
Praise you, Sir! This warrants another donation, methinks!

[colinhunt]

I have a question about how BD-RB calculates which files it re-encodes and which ones it leaves as-is. I have a disc like this:

SOURCE_SIZE=25345053872
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=25134163968

I did a full back-up, but removed French and Spanish DD5.1 audiotracks from the main feature, thus reducing the total amount of data by 890MB and making it fit on a BD25. I also set output size to Custom/24100MB which has worked perfectly so far. INF says

TARGET_SIZE=25270681600
REDUCTION=.997040988827212

By my reckoning, BD-RB shouldn't have re-encoded anything at all once those two audiotracks were removed. BD-RB left the main feature alone but re-encoded most of the extras and the output came to 22.1GB -- i.e. way under the 24100MB I had set the output for.

What might explain this behaviour?

[jdobbs]

I have a question about how BD-RB calculates which files it re-encodes and which ones it leaves as-is. I have a disc like this:

SOURCE_SIZE=25345053872
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=25134163968

I did a full back-up, but removed French and Spanish DD5.1 audiotracks from the main feature, thus reducing the total amount of data by 890MB and making it fit on a BD25. I also set output size to Custom/24100MB which has worked perfectly so far. INF says

TARGET_SIZE=25270681600
REDUCTION=.997040988827212

By my reckoning, BD-RB shouldn't have re-encoded anything at all once those two audiotracks were removed. BD-RB left the main feature alone but re-encoded most of the extras and the output came to 22.1GB -- i.e. way under the 24100MB I had set the output for.

What might explain this behaviour? Here's what BD-RB does for each stream:

1. Extract the audio, subs, and video.
2. Estimate the size of the end-product audio/subs based on:
2a. Actual size if keeping as-is
2b. To-be size (using bitrate if reencoding)
2c. Predicted size after muxing based on type (DTS, DD, LPCM) -- this step limits accuracy as different bitrates, types, etc can result in varying overhead.
3. Calculate the space left for video, amount needed for muxing, and determine bitrate needed to fill that space (using target size).
4. If the extracted video will fit in the remaining space, no encoding is done. If it doesn't... it has to encode.

There is always a small amount of "cushioning" added to avoid oversizing and leave some level of disc-edge unused (because of the higher risk of error on the outer edges).

By the way -- the .997040988827212 tells you that something has to be reencoded or else you will be over your target size. In your case (as it should) BD-RB chose the extras. That's probably because there is a fixed overall level of reduction, and the removed audio is almost always in the feature but not the extras.

[colinhunt]

By the way -- the .997040988827212 tells you that something has to be reencoded or else you will be over your target size. In your case (as it should) BD-RB chose the extras.
But isn't "SOURCE_SIZE=25345053872" the source data with all streams intact? I believe it is since it's also the size of the Blu-ray as reported by Windows. Remove 890MB from that and the total is easily below the 24100MB (25270681600) target... i.e no re-encoding required. Right?

[LowDead]

@colinhunt

I have also got that result before on some discs... Try ticking "Quicker encode for extras" and see what happens. I have managed to "trick" BD-RB to actually leave everything untouched before. I am also interested to know how this can be :)

/LD

[jdobbs]

But isn't "SOURCE_SIZE=25345053872" the source data with all streams intact? I believe it is since it's also the size of the Blu-ray as reported by Windows. Remove 890MB from that and the total is easily below the 24100MB (25270681600) target... i.e no re-encoding required. Right? It doesn't work that way. The 890MB is subtracted only from the stream in which it resides -- and that stream was kept intact (correctly). The way around this type of processing is to do a lot of full scans before you start -- and that would be unacceptably slow.

I guess it's possible that after completing a "keep intact" I can look for left over space and recompute for those remaining to be encoded. I'll look into it.

[stonej01]

Anybody know the correct version of matroska splitter to use with the new version. I ran INSPECT and it keeps telling me the version i'm using is not recommended. I used the direct link from page 1 and i have been using the same version since build 33.07. I made sure to search before asking but i got nothing.

[jdobbs]

Anybody know the correct version of matroska splitter to use with the new version. I ran INSPECT and it keeps telling me the version i'm using is not recommended. I used the direct link from page 1 and i have been using the same version since build 33.07. I made sure to search before asking but i got nothing. The one in the link is correct. What you're seeing usually means another version wasn't completely uninstalled and there are files left behind. Since HAALI doesn't include version information in the headers, the only way to check the version is to do a checksum of the folder.

Uninstall, remove the directory (under "Program Files\Haali" or "Program Files (x86)\Haali" for 64 bit Windows) and then install again and you should pass the INSPECT test.

[stonej01]

The one in the link is correct. What you're seeing usually means another version wasn't completely uninstalled and there are files left behind. Since HAALI doesn't include version information in the headers, the only way to check the version is to do a checksum of the folder.

Uninstall, remove the directory (under "Program Files\Haali" or "Program Files (x86)\Haali" for 64 bit Windows) and then install again and you should pass the INSPECT test.

Worked. Thanks appreciate it good sir.

[bluestarCVO]

Hello everyone. I seem to be having trouble backing up Hot Tub Time Machine. It contains a theatrical and unrated version, so uses seamless branching. The movie will play fine to start, but begins to have problems when it reaches a point where the branching is supposed to take place. Playback will freeze up for about a minute and jerk through before finally moving on and playing fine again until it reaches the next branch point.
I have tried 3 different backups (full disc, move only, and full disc again) but with the same problem on each. I have also tried to re-rip (AnyDVDHD) and process again before the last burn but same thing happens. Am I doing something wrong or is there something I'm not doing? Or is it a bug? Anyone else successfully backup this movie?
Thanks for the help.

Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: *Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: *Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: *Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: *Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": *Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": *Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.34.0.5, Ok
- X264: *Ok
- AFTEN: *Ok
- FAAC: *Ok
- MP4BOX: *Ok
- WAVI: *Ok
- TSMUXER: *Ok

[Status]
LABEL=HOT_TUB_TIME_MACHINE
VERSION=v0.34.05 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=37026419461
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=36543909888
TARGET_SIZE=24326963200
REDUCTION=.652487752407409
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
QUICK=1
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=40
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
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[jhkilroy]

You could try using clownbd or dvdfab to pull just the movie then use bdrebuilder for just the movie....

[bluestarCVO]

You could try using clownbd or dvdfab to pull just the movie then use bdrebuilder for just the movie....

I may try DVDfab, although I do not believe the ripping is the problem. It seems to be something in the processing, whether it is me doing something wrong or a bug.

[jdobbs]

I may try DVDfab, although I do not believe the ripping is the problem. It seems to be something in the processing, whether it is me doing something wrong or a bug.I'll pick that one up and give it a try.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Have you made any fixes/changes/additions/deletions in the last 3 or 4 versions that might be causing slower chapter changes when BD-RB-compressed discs (DVD5 and DVD9) are played on my SONY 360?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Have you made any fixes/changes/additions/deletions in the last 3 or 4 versions that might be causing slower chapter changes when BD-RB-compressed discs (DVD5 and DVD9) are played on my SONY 360? Two things could have affected that:

1. Open GOPs.
2. The "--qpfile" addition in 0.34.05.

The first one could theoretically have made chapter changes slower -- but I didn't experience it on my Sony 360. The second one placed I frames at the chapter points, and should have corrected any possible affect of the first one.

[bluestarCVO]

I'll pick that one up and give it a try.

Thanks jdobbs. Once you get it, the first time it happens is a little past the 7:00 mark of the movie.

Edit. By the way, I forgot to mention that my backups are all to BD25's

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs Two things could have affected that:
1. Open GOPs.
2. The "--qpfile" addition in 0.34.05.

The first one could theoretically have made chapter changes slower -- but I didn't experience it on my Sony 360. The second one placed I frames at the chapter points, and should have corrected any possible affect of the first one.

1) Since I just downloaded 34.05 a few minutes ago (not yet installed or unzipped) that leaves only "Open GOPs". I don't see any reference to this in the "HIDDENOPTS.TXT" of 34.04. Is there a way to switch this on or off?

BTW, what I'm referring to is specifically when using the remote to select the "NEXT" chapter...

[A.Fenderson]

open-GOP is actually an explicit option in the Settings menu of the GUI, it can be unchecked.

[setarip_old]

@A.Fenderson

Thank you ;>}

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Just curious, but I have a couple of Universal titles that I would like to do a full backup to BD9. Both titles have PiP with DTS Express secondary audio. In the past, I have PROCESS_SECONDARY=0 set, and the backups experience the no audio for main title on playback on my S360. You mentioned, at least the no audio heard issue, is a Sony player problem.
So, could this be related to the PiP?
Would there be an advantage to changing to PROCESS_SECONDARY=1? ( I was not sure if AVCHD BD5/9 was compatible with PiP )
I don't really care to keep the PiP on BD5/9 full backups, especially if there will be no secondary audio available. But if it affects the playback capabilities on my Sony, maybe it should be kept.
If it is kept, will PiP work if full backup is to BD9?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
Just curious, but I have a couple of Universal titles that I would like to do a full backup to BD9. Both titles have PiP with DTS Express secondary audio. In the past, I have PROCESS_SECONDARY=0 set, and the backups experience the no audio for main title on playback on my S360. You mentioned, at least the no audio heard issue, is a Sony player problem.
So, could this be related to the PiP?
Would there be an advantage to changing to PROCESS_SECONDARY=1? ( I was not sure if AVCHD BD5/9 was compatible with PiP )
I don't really care to keep the PiP on BD5/9 full backups, especially if there will be no secondary audio available. But if it affects the playback capabilities on my Sony, maybe it should be kept.
If it is kept, will PiP work if full backup is to BD9? I'm not sure if the removal of the PiP video is related to the Sony audio problem -- but I'm pretty sure it causes other issues (even in BD-25 backups). I think I may have to remove that option... I'd recommend you delete that option from the INI and try a few.

I just did "Scorpion King" to BD-9, as I think that's one of the problem discs. I haven't played it back yet on BD-9 or BD-35, I'll let you know what I find.

[Capsbackup]

I'm not sure if the removal of the PiP video is related to the Sony audio problem -- but I'm pretty sure it causes other issues (even in BD-25 backups). I think I may have to remove that option... I'd recommend you delete that option from the INI and try a few.

I just did "Scorpion King" to BD-9, as I think that's one of the problem discs. I haven't played it back yet on BD-9 or BD-35, I'll let you know what I find.

Scorpion King was one of the problem discs for me.
OK, I will test my next one, and will keep PiP. I will let you know the results.:)
I think I remember reading you had success with BD9 full movie backups with PiP, playing back on your Sony?

[Capsbackup]

I can now report my test of Green Zone, full movie backup to BD5 ( burned to DVD+RW for testing/avoiding a coaster! ), keeping PiP but no secondary audio since it is DTS Express. Playback on Sony S360.
I have run into the no audio for the main movie again. Also, there is no PiP displayed on playback. ( The PiP does work when played back with TMT3 though )
Also, there is deleted scenes with PiP, and there is no audio heard for this as well, and this also does not display the PiP with my Sony, but does work properly with TMT3. :(

[treeboy]

BD-Rebuilder v.0.34.05 successfully backed up my copy of Avatar decrypted by MakeMKV v.1.5.8. I used all the defaults in BD-Rebuilder and used Mode full disc to DVD-9. When I put the ImgBurned disc into my player (Philips BDP7200/F7) I get and error code "BD-J Error 0001" I don't get an error code with the original BD in the player and my firmware is updated to the latest version 1.113. Is this my player being lame or something else? I'm doing a BD-Rebuilder movie only run now to see if that makes a difference.

[jdobbs]

BD-Rebuilder v.0.34.05 successfully backed up my copy of Avatar decrypted by MakeMKV v.1.5.8. I used all the defaults in BD-Rebuilder and used Mode full disc to DVD-9. When I put the ImgBurned disc into my player (Philips BDP7200/F7) I get and error code "BD-J Error 0001" I don't get an error code with the original BD in the player and my firmware is updated to the latest version 1.113. Is this my player being lame or something else? I'm doing a BD-Rebuilder movie only run now to see if that makes a difference. Have you had luck with BD-J for BD-9 on your Philips before? Some players won't play BD-5/9 discs that have BD-J.

My second question would be whether MakeMKV can handle that disc? I have Avatar, I'll do a full backup to BD-9 using AnyDVD HD and see how it goes. As seem to remember it working... but I'm not positive I did BD-9.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Hi!My second question would be whether MakeMKV can handle that disc?Yes it can - or at least the version that existed on April 23, 2010 handled the U.S. version perfectly.

On that date, I used MakeMKV to first make a full disc backup of "Avatar". I then used that full backup as my source for BD-RB to create both a DVD9 full backup and a DVD9 movie only backup - both of which function properly on my SONY BDP-S360 standalone player and on my PC, using PowerDVD v.7.3...

[treeboy]

Have you had luck with BD-J for BD-9 on your Philips before? Some players won't play BD-5/9 discs that have BD-J.

This is my first BD-J so perhaps not. That was my reasoning for doing the movie only BU as I was thinking it will remove the "J" portion? I wonder if it (Phillips) will play BD-J from a 25GB BD-R LTH as I have some coming.

My second question would be whether MakeMKV can handle that disc? I have Avatar, I'll do a full backup to BD-9 using AnyDVD HD and see how it goes. As seem to remember it working... but I'm not positive I did BD-9.

MakeMKV seemed to work as I can play the resultant files on the puter.

[jdobbs]

This is my first BD-J so perhaps not. That was my reasoning for doing the movie only BU as I was thinking it will remove the "J" portion? I wonder if it (Phillips) will play BD-J from a 25GB BD-R LTH as I have some coming.



MakeMKV seemed to work as I can play the resultant files on the puter. Yes, movie-only removes the BD-J.

All players should play BD-J on a BD-25. But some won't do so on a BD-5/9 (since BD-J isn't allowed in AVCHD). I'd be careful with LTH, though, as lots of players have issues with those.

[A.Fenderson]

I'd be careful with LTH, though, as lots of players have issues with those.

While that's true, it's also true that lots of players do support this media type yet don't bother to put that in any of their documentation, unfortunately. For example, the Vizio VBR220 that I myself confirmed this on recently and added to the compatibility chart.

(http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155169)

[treeboy]

Well, the movie only rebuild worked great. I didn't think there would be any need for BD-J on the Avatar BD because all that's on the disc is the movie or so I thought anyway it's good :thanks:

[Vertigo1]

Hi all,

Just downloaded and tried this for the first time on a rip of the Pixar Shorts bluray and it died about 5 mins in saying x264.exe had stopped working.

Seen some posts from last year about a version of this causing problems but didn't know how relevant that was these days. Should I try swapping out my x264.exe for a different version? The one I have doesn't seem to have a version but is dated 15/07/2010.

Thanks

[Dark Shikari]

Hi all,

Just downloaded and tried this for the first time on a rip of the Pixar Shorts bluray and it died about 5 mins in saying x264.exe had stopped working.Where did it actually crash? It'll say "x264 crashed" even if it crashed in the decoder, which is the problem 99% of the time. That's why you have to check what "module" it actually crashed in before blindly claiming problems in x264.

[Vertigo1]

Thanks for the reply.

No need to be so defensive - I'm not "blindly claiming problems in x264", merely reporting what I saw which was that it said x264 "had stopped working". It may well be some other area of the software, I don't know :)

I'll give it another try tonight and post more info - can you let me know exactly what details I should be noting down from the "crash" message?

Cheers.

[Dark Shikari]

Thanks for the reply.

No need to be so defensive - I'm not "blindly claiming problems in x264", merely reporting what I saw which was that it said x264 "had stopped working". It may well be some other area of the software, I don't know :)

I'll give it another try tonight and post more info - can you let me know exactly what details I should be noting down from the "crash" message?

Cheers.Windows lists the "module" it crashed in. For example, if it crashes in libavcodec.dll, that's a decoder.

[Vertigo1]

Ok thanks, I'll give it a bash later and report back with what it shows.

[jdobbs]

Ok thanks, I'll give it a bash later and report back with what it shows. If you post your log, or run INSPECT.EXE and post the results, you'll probably find that at least one of your components is incorrect.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
It seems like my luck, or lack of, is such that the past several full backups to BD5/9 are discs with PiP. I continue to have the no audio heard issue on any title that has PiP, and with some discs having multiple titles with PiP on the same disc, it can be frustrating. I don't really have any other problems with my Sony S360, nor do want to invest in another player.
My latest test, which I again went with BD5 to burn to DVD+RW for testing, was of True Blood Season 1 disc 1. The 2 episodes both have PiP with DTS Express secondary audio.
I have tried keeping PiP and not keeping PiP, but my results are the same. When I keep PiP, it does not display on my BD5/9 backups too. But either way, no audio for either title.
Do you have these same issues with these type of discs? :confused:
I know I am successful with movie only backups, but it seems wasteful to put only 54 minutes or 58 minutes on episode discs like this to one BD5.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
It seems like my luck, or lack of, is such that the past several full backups to BD5/9 are discs with PiP. I continue to have the no audio heard issue on any title that has PiP, and with some discs having multiple titles with PiP on the same disc, it can be frustrating. I don't really have any other problems with my Sony S360, nor do want to invest in another player.
My latest test, which I again went with BD5 to burn to DVD+RW for testing, was of True Blood Season 1 disc 1. The 2 episodes both have PiP with DTS Express secondary audio.
I have tried keeping PiP and not keeping PiP, but my results are the same. When I keep PiP, it does not display on my BD5/9 backups too. But either way, no audio for either title.
Do you have these same issues with these type of discs? :confused:
I know I am successful with movie only backups, but it seems wasteful to put only 54 minutes or 58 minutes on episode discs like this to one BD5.Yes I do. It only happens with DTS Express PiP and only on the Sony players. I'm confident that at least part of the problem is in the Sony firmware -- because the exact same image works on BD-25. But if I can find a workaround I'll do it. One idea is to put a blank AC3 track to replace the DTS Express and then change the reference in the MPLS. The ideal solution is to actually demux/remux just that track and that's what I'm working on. The problem is that I either have to do the entire mux all myself, or integrate the demuxed audio by inserting it after-the-fact -- the first is an incredible amount of research and time (I'd essentially be rewriting TSMUXER), and the second adds considerable time to the encode process.

To worsen it -- I'm not positive that doing all this will make it work on the Sony on BD-9... I'm just guessing that putting something there for that track will correct it.

[wwallace55]

Hello Capsbackup. I have the same audio problem (audio not played in the main movie on the Sony BDP-S360) with the same PIP Bluray discs (and more). I found the audio problems in:

The Bourne Trilogy
The Hangover
Observe and Report
Monsters and Aliens
True Blood Season 1
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Batman Begins

Do you have instructions (or links) for using Multiavchd to Demux and reinsert the audio to get it working on a BD5/BD9 disk? Thanks for the help.

[Capsbackup]

Yes I do. It only happens with DTS Express PiP and only on the Sony players. I'm confident that at least part of the problem is in the Sony firmware -- because the exact same image works on BD-25. But if I can find a workaround I'll do it. One idea is to put a blank AC3 track to replace the DTS Express and then change the reference in the MPLS. The ideal solution is to actually demux/remux just that track and that's what I'm working on. The problem is that I either have to do the entire mux all myself, or integrate the demuxed audio by inserting it after-the-fact -- the first is an incredible amount of research and time (I'd essentially be rewriting TSMUXER), and the second adds considerable time to the encode process.

To worsen it -- I'm not positive that doing all this will make it work on the Sony on BD-9... I'm just guessing that putting something there for that track will correct it.

I guess it is good, :rolleyes: , that I am not the only one then having this issue. :p
I do notice that on these backups, there is usually several main audio tracks, like eng, fra, spa, etc... but even though I only choose to keep the eng track, the audio button on the remote will not work to scroll thru the other tracks like on working correctly backups, even though they only play the eng track. ( I see the on-screen display scroll thru the fra, spa, etc.. track but keep hearing eng only on the working backup. )
Could placing a blank/dummy audio track in the main audio tracks that audio is removed from, forcing a silence to that track when playing back, have any positive effect?
This would be similar to DVD-RB, unless you assign the kept audio track to the other removed ones. I have no problem with silence tracks if it forces the player to work correctly. Besides, I should know if I blank an audio track, therefore should expect silence if I choose another language. :)

[Capsbackup]

Hello Capsbackup. I have the same audio problem (audio not played in the main movie on the Sony BDP-S360) with the same PIP Bluray discs (and more). I found the audio problems in:

The Bourne Trilogy
The Hangover
Observe and Report
Monsters and Aliens
True Blood Season 1
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Batman Begins

Do you have instructions (or links) for using Multiavchd to Demux and reinsert the audio to get it working on a BD5/BD9 disk? Thanks for the help.
Actually, I am not reporting this as a fix/work around, only as what seemed to correct the non-working BD-RB backup. I was hoping it could provide jdobbs with some useful info to allow him to find a fix within BD-RB. :)
I believe he is close to a fix, so we should all be patient! ;)

[HatchetMan]

I'll pick that one up and give it a try.

My HTTM played just fine b4 & after the 7min mark, ripped w/ AnyDVD 6674, movie only (unrated, playlist 801) to BD9.

[wwallace55]

Actually, I am not reporting this as a fix/work around, only as what seemed to correct the non-working BD-RB backup. I was hoping it could provide jdobbs with some useful info to allow him to find a fix within BD-RB. :)
I believe he is close to a fix, so we should all be patient! ;)

Thats fine. I only asked because jdobbs might be focused on others issues other than this one. :)

[Vertigo1]

Ok, here's the detail from the crash dialog:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: x264.exe
Application Version: 0.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 4c3f9af5
Fault Module Name: avisynth.DLL
Fault Module Version: 2.5.7.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 45971d82
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000168f0
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.48
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

Looks like AviSynth is at fault then.

Weirdly though, if I try to run INSPECT.EXE, it outputs this:

Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok

But then crashes with:
Run-time error'13':
Type mismatch

[jdobbs]

That sounds like a bad rip. What did you use to rip it?

You're saying INSPECT is crashing? That's really odd and makes me think something may not be configured properly or there is a registry problem.

[colinhunt]

jdobbs, a question about the contents of the WORKFILES directory. After a movie-only backup I can see two video files:

00262.m2ts - 22 023 900 KB
VID_00262.AVS.264 - 21 070 721 KB

Am I correct in guessing that the .m2ts is the original video stream and the .264 is the re-encoded one?

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, a question about the contents of the WORKFILES directory. After a movie-only backup I can see two video files:

00262.m2ts - 22 023 900 KB
VID_00262.AVS.264 - 21 070 721 KB

Am I correct in guessing that the .m2ts is the original video stream and the .264 is the re-encoded one? No. The .264 is the reencoded video, and the 00262.m2ts is the same video muxed.

[worknstiff]

@jdobbs;
I know I am successful with movie only backups, but it seems wasteful to put only 54 minutes or 58 minutes on episode discs like this to one BD5.

It's really not a bug report but I use Clown or TsRemux to cut each episode/audio/subs and then use MultiAvchd to make simple Menu with multiple titles and create Bluray structure and compress ( oop's with/ BD_Rebuilder) to fit on BD-5 or BD-9 disk. I guess yoiu could even put the final result on BD-25 but that seems "wastefull for me", IMO, Lol