BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

I stumbled upon another issue today.
"Seven Psychopaths" blu-ray - processing through BD-RB in movie only mode to fit on a 25gb output.
This title has forced subtitles (see chapter 4). They work fine with the ripped files.
Once processed through BD-RB, the forced subtitles do not work. If I turn english subtitles #2 on, the english subtitles for vietnamese dialog shows up.
If I then turn english subtitles #2 off and back up to the beginning of the chapter, the forced subtitles now work.
The source has 3 subtitle tracks (english 1 & 2 & spanish is #3). I specified to not include the spanish subtitles when I ran it thru BD-RB - just the 1st 2 english subtitles were carried forward.BD-RB does nothing to the subtitles other than remove them when told to do so. So if the forced subtitle isn't there -- that means it has been removed. But... since the authoring expects a subtitle to be there, a substitute has to be provided from the list you have selected.

I suggest never removing any subtitles, they're too small to make a quality difference anyway.

[jdobbs]

At any given time, I usually have 6 - 8 Hard drives connected to my machine. Food for thought ;)I only have 5 HDs connected to my video machine, a total of 7TB.

[omegaman7]

~13Tb. Fact of the matter is, I require each and every one of them. Each one has a particular purpose. Two of them 3Tb each, are my rip/output drives. Though sometimes I'll use the others, depending on certain factors. It allows me to procrastinate LOL! :S

[Rich86]

BD-RB does nothing to the subtitles other than remove them when told to do so. So if the forced subtitle isn't there -- that means it has been removed. But... since the authoring expects a subtitle to be there, a substitute has to be provided from the list you have selected.

I suggest never removing any subtitles, they're too small to make a quality difference anyway.

I reran the job ("Seven Psychopaths" to movie only output BD). The source title has 1 audio track and 3 subtitles. This time I included all 3 subtitles . . with the very same result . . the forced subtitles do not work unless I first activate english subtitles #2 (which brings up full english subtitles) and then deactivate subtitles #2 (which then shuts down subtitles for english dialog, but displays the forced english subtitles for the vietnamese dialog). It doesn't seem to matter where in the movie I turn english #2 subtitles on and then back off (even long after chapter 4)- if I jump back or forward to chapter 4 afterwards, then the forced english subtitles work fine from then on.
I've been testing from the BD-RB output files on the computer. I'll next burn the movie only output from BD-RB to disc and try playing the disc in a stand-alone player to see if it behaves the same. I expect it will, but more to come . . .

[omegaman7]

I reran the job ("Seven Psychopaths"). The source title has 1 audio track and 3 subtitles. This time I included all 3 subtitles . . with the very same result . . the forced subtitles do not work unless I first activate english subtitles #2 (which brings up full english subtitles) and then deactivate subtitles #2 (which then shuts down subtitles for english dialog, but displays the forced english subtitles for the vietnamese dialog).

I've run into a similar problem in the past. Not sure what I did :S I may have done nothing. But I never remove subtitles from full backups. So they are selectable. Not suggesting this isn't a problem though.

[jdobbs]

I reran the job ("Seven Psychopaths" to movie only output BD). The source title has 1 audio track and 3 subtitles. This time I included all 3 subtitles . . with the very same result . . the forced subtitles do not work unless I first activate english subtitles #2 (which brings up full english subtitles) and then deactivate subtitles #2 (which then shuts down subtitles for english dialog, but displays the forced english subtitles for the vietnamese dialog). It doesn't seem to matter where in the movie I turn english #2 subtitles on and then back off (even long after chapter 4)- if I jump back or forward to chapter 4 afterwards, then the forced english subtitles work fine from then on.
I've been testing from the BD-RB output files on the computer. I'll next burn the movie only output from BD-RB to disc and try playing the disc in a stand-alone player to see if it behaves the same. I expect it will, but more to come . . .I expect it won't. The selected forced subtitle is based on the language of your player. Software players have issues in this area. I suspect it will work correctly on a standalone. That's why I asked the question. These types of issues are exactly why I ask that all testing be done on a standalone player before a bug report is issued.

I can't count the number of reports I have had that go away when tested on a name-brand standalone.

[omegaman7]

I expect it won't. The selected forced subtitle is based on the language of your player. Software players have issues in this area. I suspect it will work correctly on a standalone. That's why I asked the question. These types of issues are exactly why I ask that all testing be done on a standalone player before a bug report is issued. I can't count the number of reports I have had that go away when tested on a standalone.

Yes indeedy LOL! Once upon a time I had a BD-RE, but no longer :( Every time windows tries to load it, it freezes. And if Anydvd HD is running, it scans forever. I decided to wait til a 4 - 6X BD-RE comes to an agreeable price ;) Some BD-R's are cheap though too.

[MikeyBK]

I don't think it's anything to do with BDRebuilder, this is from another member posted in another forum but who used BDRebuilder
.................. 7 psych's & forced subtitles worked with mine just fine.

[jdobbs]

I'll test "Alex Cross" tomorrow -- if it is out of synch, I'll find and fix the problem. I ran it today. It's out-of-sync. I suspect it might be something peculiar about this specific disc. I'll find out what's going on and get a fix in.

[Edit] I notice that TSMUXER sees a 1001ms timeshift that BD-RB doesn't -- I'll have to determine why I'm missing it.

[jdobbs]

I ran it today. It's out-of-sync. I suspect it might be something peculiar about this specific disc. I'll find out what's going on and get a fix in.

[Edit] I notice that TSMUXER sees a 1001ms timeshift that BD-RB doesn't -- I'll have to determine why I'm missing it. Ok. I found it and fixed it. It will be included in the next release.

Interesting find. There must not be a lot of multipart sources that have audio delay in them. It looks like the timeshift for movie-only encodes that are multi-part has never worked correctly and this is the first report I've gotten...

[jdobbs]

I hope you have seen my post :) I looked at "Ice Age, Continental Drift" which I believe is "Ice Age 4" back when you'd posted it. Don't know what version you are using but the U.S. version I have only has two angle tracks...

I looked at the code that examines & collects the angles... and it seems to be correct. But I can't be positive until I find something that differs during testing.

[Rich86]

Yes indeedy LOL! Once upon a time I had a BD-RE, but no longer :( Every time windows tries to load it, it freezes. And if Anydvd HD is running, it scans forever. I decided to wait til a 4 - 6X BD-RE comes to an agreeable price ;) Some BD-R's are cheap though too.

I have a stash of 2x Fuji BD-REs that i picked up for around $3 each quite a while ago. They work great for testing and trying things out - and they work fine in both the computer and standalone players.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blu-ray-BD-RE25gb-2X-Fuji-Rewrite-Blu-ray-DVD-in-Jewel-Case-in-10-Lot-C7-B2111F-/230917826037?pt=US_CD_DVD_Blu_ray_Discs&hash=item35c3c665f5

[jidelite]

Ok. I found it and fixed it. It will be included in the next release.

Interesting find. There must not be a lot of multipart sources that have audio delay in them. It looks like the timeshift for movie-only encodes that are multi-part has never worked correctly and this is the first report I've gotten...

jdobbs, Tried Menu & Movie with Alex Cross and it played out of sequence - just checking to see if it's actually possible...

Thanks,
jidelite

[Rich86]

I expect it won't. The selected forced subtitle is based on the language of your player. Software players have issues in this area. I suspect it will work correctly on a standalone. That's why I asked the question. These types of issues are exactly why I ask that all testing be done on a standalone player before a bug report is issued.

I can't count the number of reports I have had that go away when tested on a name-brand standalone.

The burned disc of this "movie only" title output from BD-RB played in my standalone player behaved the same (no forced subtitles unless you turn subtitles #2 on, then back off) as reported earlier. I also ran it through Multi-AVCHD - with the same problematic output.

[setarip_old]

Using a different methodology, I obtained the same unusual results as did "Rich86".

I simply used tsMuxeR to extract the "movie only" (with all subs and languages) using the .MPLS (with no involvement bt BD-RB). The brief subtitles during the actor's Vietnamese dialogue did not automatically show up.

If not already noted elsewhere in this thread, be advised that no such problem exists regarding a "full disc" copy...

[Nico8583]

I looked at "Ice Age, Continental Drift" which I believe is "Ice Age 4" back when you'd posted it. Don't know what version you are using but the U.S. version I have only has two angle tracks...

I looked at the code that examines & collects the angles... and it seems to be correct. But I can't be positive until I find something that differs during testing.
It's the FR version of the movie, and on BD-Info I can see 5 angles and Angle 3 is for french.
It's the first movie with this problem...

[Rich86]

Using a different methodology, I obtained the same unusual results as did "Rich86".

I simply used tsMuxeR to extract the "movie only" (with all subs and languages) using the .MPLS (with no involvement bt BD-RB). The brief subtitles during the actor's Vietnamese dialogue did not automatically show up.

If not already noted elsewhere in this thread, be advised that no such problem exists regarding a "full disc" copy...

Here is a fresh twist . . .
used ClownBD - selected only the main movie playlist - included all subs. Clown-BD actually created a 3rd english subtitle (a new #1), defaulted it on - and IT is the forced english subs! Strange . . .
How does the PQ hold up doing a full-disc copy with BD-RB?

[worknstiff]

@Rich86 RE: How does the PQ hold up doing a full-disc copy with BD-RB?

I did a FULL BD25 backup and no extras, kept HD audio. The resulting 22.9 disk plays and looks perfect, including the vietnamese priest's subs.

[ghasting]

Did a movie only backup of "Alex Cross" and the audio track is out of sync.

[Status]
LABEL=ALEX_CROSS
VERSION=v0.42.08 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=27585699840
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=27585699840
TARGET_SIZE=24641536000
REDUCTION=.893272099055798
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=-1
INSTANCES=1
DGDECNV=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=9
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00516]
AUDIO=1000
PGS=101
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=1130538432
RATE=26511
SPLITS=1
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00515]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=88251282
RATE=26460
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00518]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=2904498956
RATE=26544
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00507]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=2511660011
RATE=26375
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00512]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=3848359584
RATE=26594
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00520]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=3744971671
RATE=26363
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00519]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=202319356
RATE=26669
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00503]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=115302934
RATE=26704
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=-1
MLINK=0
[00504]
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=10095633776
RATE=24663
SPLITS=1
AUDIO=1000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
NSTART=27000000
NEND=296183287

[jdobbs]

Did a movie only backup of "Alex Cross" and the audio track is out of sync.


Please review the last several posts. That issue has been corrected (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1615233#post1615233) and will be in the next release.

[Rich86]

@Rich86 RE: How does the PQ hold up doing a full-disc copy with BD-RB?

I did a FULL BD25 backup and no extras, kept HD audio. The resulting 22.9 disk plays and looks perfect, including the vietnamese priest's subs.

Seven Psychopaths:
I ran the source blu-ray movie playlist thru Clown-BD, with the forced subtitles option checked. It separated out the forced subtitles into its own subtitle selection (subtitle #1 now) and set it to be active. I ran that new BD set of files through BD-RB to compress down to a BD25 size, keeping subtitle #1 set to be active. That seems to have worked correctly.
Clown-BD also processes this title correctly to DVD - the forced subtitles work correctly.

[Nico8583]

I looked at "Ice Age, Continental Drift" which I believe is "Ice Age 4" back when you'd posted it. Don't know what version you are using but the U.S. version I have only has two angle tracks...

I looked at the code that examines & collects the angles... and it seems to be correct. But I can't be positive until I find something that differs during testing.
How can I do to help you ?

[Capsbackup]

I suggest never removing any subtitles, they're too small to make a quality difference anyway.

I just did a quick calculation of the 31 .sup files for the movie Skyfall, and it's over 1 GB!! :eek:

[omegaman7]

I just did a quick calculation of the 31 .sup files for the movie Skyfall, and it's over 1 GB!! :eek:
Yeah, I had a BD that had a significant amount of subs. I forget which one, but it was figured to be the reason, why a BD was oversized. Because it wasn't factoring in all the subs. It's fairly rare, but there are instances that merit concern regarding stupid amounts of subs LOL!

[jdobbs]

I just did a quick calculation of the 31 .sup files for the movie Skyfall, and it's over 1 GB!! :eek:Well, that's pretty unusual. I can't imagine how something as simple a a group of RLE compressed PGS streams could take up that much space. My guess is that one or more of the streams aren't really subtitles but hold graphics pictures that are presented during playback.

[RobertM]

Well, that's pretty unusual. I can't imagine how something as simple a a group of RLE compressed PGS streams could take up that much space. My guess is that one or more of the streams aren't really subtitles but hold graphics pictures that are presented during playback.

Definitely unusual; that's over 30MB per text file. I just watched that film last night. There's some dialogue, to be sure, but not THAT much ;)

[sparkyar]

Definitely unusual; that's over 30MB per text file. I just watched that film last night. There's some dialogue, to be sure, but not THAT much ;)

its not that unusual, there is a lot of movies with 8 to 15 languages... so forced subs range from 1mb to 10mb each, regular subs range from 10mb to 50mb each and dir.comments subs range from 15mb to 60mb (and there are movies with 2 or 3 dir. commts) so if u do the math u could easily reach 1gb.

[Capsbackup]

Well, that's pretty unusual. I can't imagine how something as simple a a group of RLE compressed PGS streams could take up that much space. My guess is that one or more of the streams aren't really subtitles but hold graphics pictures that are presented during playback.

Using this example, this amount of subtitles must take down the available video quality similar to keeping HD audio, especially if doing a BD9 backup!
Though rare, I have read that removing subtitles can be the cause of losing a desired forced sub.
Since the english subs are the ones I care about most, will removing the non-english subs affect the possible forced english sub that may or may not be present?
If so, does BD-RB use a small place holder sub for the ones removed to keep the original order of subs secure? Or is there a method currently used by BD-RB to insure removing a particular sub does not affect this example?

[Rich86]

Using this example, this amount of subtitles must take down the available video quality similar to keeping HD audio, especially if doing a BD9 backup!
Though rare, I have read that removing subtitles can be the cause of losing a desired forced sub.
Since the english subs are the ones I care about most, will removing the non-english subs affect the possible forced english sub that may or may not be present?
If so, does BD-RB use a small place holder sub for the ones removed to keep the original order of subs secure? Or is there a method currently used by BD-RB to insure removing a particular sub does not affect this example?

I generally check to see which of the english subs are for the movie itself, or separate forced subs (ie. not commentary subs of some sort). I then eliminate all subs except these, as long as the other subs are farther down the list than these. So if I have sub 1 = english, sub 2 = spanish, sub 3 = english SDH, sub 4 = french, sub 5 = japanese . . I would keep the first 3 subs in case forced subtitles are coming from one of those english subs. If I have a separate dedicated forced subtitles, I would keep that and probably one of the complete english subtitles only - and set the forced subtitles "on". That seems to work . . except for "Seven Psychopaths" discussed earlier which seems to have something unique in it that causes issues as discussed earlier in the thread.

[jdobbs]

Using this example, this amount of subtitles must take down the available video quality similar to keeping HD audio, especially if doing a BD9 backup!
Though rare, I have read that removing subtitles can be the cause of losing a desired forced sub.
Since the english subs are the ones I care about most, will removing the non-english subs affect the possible forced english sub that may or may not be present?
If so, does BD-RB use a small place holder sub for the ones removed to keep the original order of subs secure? Or is there a method currently used by BD-RB to insure removing a particular sub does not affect this example? BD-RB keeps the place-holder, and uses one of the kept subs in its place -- generally the first one kept.

[Capsbackup]

BD-RB keeps the place-holder, and uses one of the kept subs in its place -- generally the first one kept.

Thank you.
Then if all english subs are kept, and only non-english subs are removed, if there is a forced sub for english it will work as if all subs are kept, just like the original Blu-ray? :o

[jdobbs]

Thank you.
Then if all english subs are kept, and only non-english subs are removed, if there is a forced sub for english it will work as if all subs are kept, just like the original Blu-ray? :o Yes. That is true.

The exception would be if you have a player that has its default language set to something other than English. In that case, if you kept only English subtitles, the forced English subs would play only if they are in the first English subtitle stream (because it would replace the non-English subs).

[Capsbackup]

Yes. That is true.

The exception would be if you have a player that has its default language set to something other than English. In that case, if you kept only English subtitles, the forced English subs would play only if they are in the first English subtitle stream (because it would replace the non-English subs).

Thank you again! :)

[colinhunt]

Did a movie-only backup of Gunslinger Girl S2 D2 which consists of 7 episodes. Audio sync on the output, a single .m2ts, was hugely out-of-sync. I had recently ran movie-only backups of other japanimation discs and they came out alright. Difference between Gunslinger Girl and the successful ones? Frame rate and scan type. GG is 29.97fps and MBAFF, while the others were 23.976fps and progressive.

I also ran a Full Backup of Penguin Drum disc 1 which is 29.97fps and MBAFF. The output is in sync so the combo of 29.97fps and MBAFF does not automatically mean out-of-sync results. Perhaps it's the movie-only backup, where BD-RB is asked to combine several m2ts files into a single m2ts?

To test this, I ran a Full Backup of Gunslinger Girl S2D2, then compared the specs of original and back-up episode 1.

Original GG S2D2 episode 1
Video
Duration: 25mn 8s 40ms
Frame rate: 29.970 fps
Frame count: 45196
Scan type: MBAFF
Interlacement: MBAFF
Delay: 4199000.000
Delay: 1h 9mn 59s 0ms

Audio
Duration: 25mn 10s 42ms
Delay: 4199000.000
Delay: 1h 9mn 59s 0ms

0.42.08 Full Backup, High Speed Option, One-pass CRF: episode 1
Video
Duration: 25mn 9s 977ms
Frame rate: 29.970 fps
Frame count: 45254
Scan type: Progressive
Interlacement: PPF
Delay: 600000.000
Delay: 10mn 0s 0ms

Audio
Duration: 25mn 10s 42ms
Delay: 600000.000
Delay: 10mn 0s 0ms
Delay, origin: Container

Note how durations and delays differ between the original and the backup.


I then compared stream specs of the original and the backup of Penguin Drum episode 1.

Original video duration: 23mn 42s 421ms
Backup video duration: 23mn 42s 421ms

Original video delay: 600000.000
Backup video delay: 600000.000

Original audio duration: 23mn 42s 997ms
Backup audio duration: 23mn 43s 8ms

Original audio delay: 600000.000
Backup audio delay: 600000.000

>>>

So, the backup is in sync when the original uses a delay of 600000.000. When the delay is something else, BD-RB (or a tool it uses) replaces the value with 600000.000 and the output is out-of-sync. I'm trying to figure out is this applies to 29.97/MBAFF sources only.

I noticed a post earlier about a bug that had to do with audio delays in multipart sources. This is obviously related to that.

[jdobbs]

Is it a multipart source? If not, I don't see the connection to the earlier bug.

Why is it so hard to post the log for a job so I have something to work with???? I can't keep shooting in the dark to try and find solutions to bug reports.

[colinhunt]

Is it a multipart source? If not, I don't see the connection to the earlier bug.
It is sort of multipart, in that BD-RB combines several .m2ts files into a single .m2ts. The disc has a playlist which plays all episodes. That applies to movie-only backup, of course.

Why is it so hard to post the log for a job so I have something to work with???? I can't keep shooting in the dark to try and find solutions to bug reports.
It's not hard at all.... if one does not simply forget, like I did. This is for the Full Backup mentioned above; the disc contains some items that are 23.976fps. The episodes are 29.97fps/MBAFF.

[02.15.13] BD Rebuilder v0.42.08 (beta)
[14:18:44] Source: GUNSLINGER_GIRL_S2_D2
- Input BD size: 37,33 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:13:20.822]
- Target BD size: 22,85 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: High-Speed Option (BD-25), CRF
- X264 Tweak(s) enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[14:18:45] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [14:18:45] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 12)
- [14:18:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [14:20:14] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 192 frames
- Bitrate: 10*324 Kbs
- [14:20:14] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:20:14] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [14:20:19] Video Encode complete
- [14:20:19] Processing audio tracks
- [14:20:19] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:20:27] Processing: VID_00002 (2 of 12)
- [14:20:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [14:21:58] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 336 frames
- [14:21:58] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 20,29 35,14 24,93 23,24 [23,06]
- [14:22:10] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [14:22:18] Video Encode complete
- [14:22:18] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [14:22:18] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:22:22] Processing: VID_00005 (3 of 12)
- [14:22:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
- [14:24:13] Reencoding video [VID_00005]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 806 frames
- [14:24:13] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 22,69 16,34 20,51 20,08 [20,06]
- [14:24:23] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [14:24:41] Video Encode complete
- [14:24:41] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [14:24:41] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:24:45] Processing: VID_00101 (4 of 12)
- [14:24:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00101]
- [14:31:00] Reencoding video [VID_00101]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*196 frames
- [14:31:00] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,78 16,89 13,45 14,77 [14,62]
- [14:32:08] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [14:46:47] Video Encode complete
- [14:46:47] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [14:46:47] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:47:44] Processing: VID_00102 (5 of 12)
- [14:47:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00102]
- [14:52:51] Reencoding video [VID_00102]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*196 frames
- [14:52:51] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,35 16,68 13,34 15,20 [15,02]
- [14:54:02] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [15:08:44] Video Encode complete
- [15:08:44] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [15:08:44] Multiplexing M2TS
- [15:09:34] Processing: VID_00103 (6 of 12)
- [15:09:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00103]
- [15:20:14] Reencoding video [VID_00103]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*226 frames
- [15:20:14] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,37 16,69 13,34 14,80 14,51 [14,49]
- [15:21:24] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [15:35:09] Video Encode complete
- [15:35:09] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [15:35:09] Multiplexing M2TS
- [15:36:07] Processing: VID_00104 (7 of 12)
- [15:36:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00104]
- [15:41:24] Reencoding video [VID_00104]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*251 frames
- [15:41:24] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,41 16,70 13,35 14,84 14,67 [14,66]
- [15:42:48] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [15:57:34] Video Encode complete
- [15:57:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [15:57:34] Multiplexing M2TS
- [15:58:32] Processing: VID_00105 (8 of 12)
- [15:58:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00105]
- [16:04:01] Reencoding video [VID_00105]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*284 frames
- [16:04:01] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,85 16,93 13,46 14,80 [14,62]
- [16:05:05] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [16:19:55] Video Encode complete
- [16:19:55] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [16:19:55] Multiplexing M2TS
- [16:20:55] Processing: VID_00106 (9 of 12)
- [16:20:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00106]
- [16:26:00] Reencoding video [VID_00106]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 43*038 frames
- [16:26:00] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,39 16,70 13,35 15,31 [15,10]
- [16:27:06] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [16:40:58] Video Encode complete
- [16:40:58] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [16:40:58] Multiplexing M2TS
- [16:41:44] Processing: VID_00107 (10 of 12)
- [16:41:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00107]
- [16:46:48] Reencoding video [VID_00107]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 43*037 frames
- [16:46:48] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 23,44 16,72 13,36 14,81 14,57 [14,57]
- [16:48:06] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [17:02:00] Video Encode complete
- [17:02:00] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [17:02:00] Multiplexing M2TS
- [17:03:02] Processing: VID_00110 (11 of 12)
- [17:03:02] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00110]
- [17:04:08] Reencoding video [VID_00110]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 300 frames
- [17:04:08] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 25,00 37,50 30,90 29,83 [29,85]
- [17:04:18] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [17:04:23] Video Encode complete
- [17:04:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [17:04:23] Multiplexing M2TS
- [17:04:27] Processing: VID_00111 (12 of 12)
- [17:04:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00111]
- [17:04:31] Reencoding video [VID_00111]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 15 frames
- Bitrate: 2*350 Kbs
- [17:04:31] Reencoding: VID_00111, Pass 1 of 2
- [17:04:32] Reencoding: VID_00111, Pass 2 of 2
- [17:04:33] Video Encode complete
- [17:04:33] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio
- [17:04:33] Multiplexing M2TS
[17:04:36]PHASE ONE complete
[17:04:36]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:04:36] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[17:07:29] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[17:07:29] JOB: GUNSLINGER_GIRL_S2_D2 finished.

[colinhunt]

Oh, poo. Looks like the delays reported by Mediainfo have nothing to do with the audio being out-of-sync. I just finished a Full Backup of a 23.976/Progressive japanimation disc (Panty and Stocking Disc 2, if someone wants to give it a shot) with a video and audio delay of 11650.667. Mediainfo lists output's video and audio delay as 600000.000 - but there's nothing wrong with output's audio sync.

D'oh!

Back to square one, then.

[jdobbs]

- X264 Tweak(s) enabledWhat tweaks are enabled?It is sort of multipart, in that BD-RB combines several .m2ts files into a single .m2ts.If it isn't a movie-only encode, then it wouldn't apply to the previous bug report. So you're telling me you did a full backup and one of the episodes is out of sync? Is it out of sync when selected individually, when played back as part of the "Play All" selection, or both?

[colinhunt]

What tweaks are enabled?
"-- tune animation", nothing else.

If it isn't a movie-only encode, then it wouldn't apply to the previous bug report
Ah, indeed. Good point.

So you're telling me you did a full backup and one of the episodes is out of sync? Is it out of sync when selected individually, when played back as part of the "Play All" selection, or both?
All episodes are out of sync, right from the start of the episode. No difference in Play All or individual play.

Something interesting: I played the Full Backup to check whether the error stays the same throughout a single episode or not (it doesn't) and noticed that English subtitles are perfectly in sync with the audio all the way. Additionally, while audio is late by a ~second at the beginning of an episode, it's suddenly almost a minute early at the 5 minute mark. And at the end of a randomly picked episode, the image runs out (ending credits followed by a black screen) at 20:25 while the audio plays on to 23:31 (perhaps even longer, but PowerDVD stops at 23:31).

So far, I've done a Full Backup using these settings, but all have the same sync issue:
#1: DGDecNV, OpenGOPs on, DEINT on, IVTC on, Keep HD Audio on
#2: LAVF, OpenGOPs on, DEINT on, IVTC on, Keep HD Audio on
#3: LAVF, OpenGOPs on, DEINT off, IVTC off, Keep HD Audio off

And here's what BD-RB shows me in the Stream window when Full Backup is selected:

VID_00001, AVC, 1080p, 23.976fps, 18,01MB
VID_00002, AVC, 1080p, 23.976fps, 37,03MB
VID_00005, AVC, 1080p, 23.976fps, 51,52MB
VID_00101*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 428,38MB
VID_00102*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 045,31MB
VID_00103*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 031,77MB
VID_00104*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 108,66MB
VID_00105*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 567,12MB
- Audio
--- AUD_001 TRUE_HD, Multi-Ch, English
--- AUD_002 TRUE_HD, Multi-Ch, Japanese
- Subtitles
--- PGS_001, English
--- PGS_002, English
VID_00106*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 4 854,46MB
VID_00107*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 4 906,42MB
VID_00110*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 11,57MB
VID_00111*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 0,68MB

I disable English audio as the title is Japanimation and I don't fancy English dubbing.

Dropped a single .m2ts from the original into MPC-HC, VLC and PotPlayer. MPC reports a framerate of 24.08, VLC claims 59.94 and PotPlayer's Play Information reads "Std FPS: 29.97 Current FPS: 24.27 -> 23.97".

Same m2ts from the backup: MPC-HC says 29.81fps, VLC 59.94fps and PotPlayer "Std FPS: 29.97 Current FPS: 30.10 -> 59.94".

[Rich86]

Subtitles - DVD output:
Something is going wrong with DVD-5 output when including subtitles. It can't integrate the subtitles and the rebuild fails as a result.
----------------------
[02/16/13] BD Rebuilder v0.42.08 (beta)
[08:31:50] Source: HIT_RUN_NA_00800
- Input BD size: 26.46 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:40:20.014]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
- Audio [1] set to default.
[08:31:50] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [08:31:50] Processing: VID_00023 (1 of 1)
- [08:31:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00023]
- [08:38:49] Reencoding video [VID_00023]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 144,336 frames
- Bitrate: 5,550 Kbs
- [08:38:49] Reencoding: VID_00023
- [09:44:19] Video Encode complete
- [09:44:19] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
[09:47:57]PHASE ONE complete
[09:47:57]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [09:47:57] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- [09:47:57] Converting 1 subtitles to DVD format.
- [09:49:03] Starting MPLEX.
- [09:52:14] Multiplexing 1 subtitles into stream.
- WARNING: Failed to integrate Subtitle_01
- [09:52:19] Building DVD File Structure.
- ERROR in attempt to create DVD structure (DVDAUTHOR)
[09:52:20] - Failed to REBUILD

Maybe I am doing something wrong - any suggestions are welcome.

Update: I had reinstalled everything. "inspect" was happy.
I also ran this BD title through MultiAVChd to DVD-5 output - it handled the subtitles fine.

[jdobbs]

Try uninstalling and installing BD-RB again.

I'm doing a DVD-5 backup right now to make sure everything is working correctly.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs, @Rich86

Does it make any difference/Have any effect if Settings>>Output Options is set to Target Size BD5 or Target Size BD-9 (Even though all other settings are for DVD)?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs, @Rich86

Does it make any difference/Have any effect if Settings>>Output Options is set to Target Size BD5 or Target Size BD-9 (Even though all other settings are for DVD)? No. The execution follows two different paths.

[setarip_old]

I should know better. My idea was far too obvious ;>}

[Nico8583]

I have a little question : how can I verify that BD-RB uses ffdshow filter and not another filter (like ffdshow dxva or cyberlink or other) ? Thanks.

[setarip_old]

@Nico8583

Hi! how can I verify that BD-RB uses ffdshow filter and not another filter (like ffdshow dxva or cyberlink or other) ? Ask jdobbs and accept his word...

[RobertM]

how can I verify that BD-RB uses ffdshow filter

You could take a look at Task Manager while the re-encode is happening to see if ffdshow is running.

[Nico8583]

Thanks :)
I have an icon ffdshow video decoder with input AVC1 and output YV12 and an icon Haali Media Splitter so it's good ;)
There is a difference if ffdshow DXVA is used ?

[RobertM]

Thanks :)
I have an icon ffdshow video decoder with input AVC1 and output YV12

That's what mine says too when it's running. I'm not exactly sure what it would say if I was running dxva, which I can't do because my video card doesn't support it.

Anyway, this isn't about a bug, so we probably shouldn't do much more chit chat about it in this thread. If you want to discuss more (with someone who knows more about it than me) then you could open a new thread.

Regards,
Bob

[jginnane]

Hi, I've been using the beta successfully on Win7 and Win8 64-bit machines. Two new builds (Win8 64-bit) are getting this error. I tried moving the OCX file around to different places and running regsvr32 again, with no success.

Unfortunately a search of this beta bug thread for MSCOMCTL.OCX comes up with about 500 pages of hits. When I have a few hours, I'll look. In the meantime, is there a quick fix?

(Question 2-- when are you going to get a release version I can give some money for? Really, I've converted about 450 Blurays, and once I can get the install done right, I know this is a good program, if a little rough on the edges. It does what I need, IOW.)

Thanks! /JG