BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Sharc]

How does this relate to a BD Rebuilder bug?
We are leaving the topic I mean.....

[AmigaFuture]

So it looks like the subtitles caused the conflict with the falsely (your experimentally) applied IVTC which changed the framerate of the video (decimation).
Anyway, I understand when you run BD RB with its default settings all is ok, right?

Yup, looks like the Subtitles are the cause. In some way. Also ran BD-RB as Default, except for ENABLE_TEST=1 and it goes through fine. So...hmm... After that finished, I added "IVTC_1080i=1" for fun, and the error returned. Probably some flag causing a problem.

I'm going to check the video for any "jitters". Because I'm curious.

I didn't mean to spark any major debates. Haha.

@MrVideo

The Lawyer thing...I was messin' with you in my reply. I appreciate the catch in typo. :D

[MrVideo]

The Lawyer thing...I was messin' with you in my reply. I appreciate the catch in typo. :D
No offense taken. There was another typo in the response, but I left that one alone. :D

[Sharc]

Yup, looks like the Subtitles are the cause. In some way. Also ran BD-RB as Default, except for ENABLE_TEST=1 and it goes through fine. So...hmm... After that finished, I added "IVTC_1080i=1" for fun, and the error returned. Probably some flag causing a problem.

I'm going to check the video for any "jitters". Because I'm curious.

Assuming (from previous speculations) that your source is a conversion from BBC(25) to NTSC(29.97i) could you perhaps upload a few seconds snippet of your source? I am just curious how this looks like. Thanks.

[peto2]

Hi

I can't find a direct answer to this issue or another forum to report my issue

I have a file that is 24 fps (24.00?). When I use BD Rebuilder it changes this to 23.976 fps (I understand this is valid) . Currently I can't find anything to override this change. This would not really be a issue however it does mean any subtitles eventually become out of sync. Is ther a hidden option I have missed or workaround or am I trying to do something that is not normally valid ?

[drmih]

Assuming a ripper becomes available to backup 4K UHD discs (I believe that 3 have been done by groups so far), and that the file structure seems the same as standard blu-ray, would it be difficult to update the software for the higher resolution and produce bd-50 / 25 backups?

[jdobbs]

Assuming a ripper becomes available to backup 4K UHD discs (I believe that 3 have been done by groups so far), and that the file structure seems the same as standard blu-ray, would it be difficult to update the software for the higher resolution and produce bd-50 / 25 backups?Probably not. But I'd have to do a lot of dumping of a UHD disc so I can make sure the backup uses proper flags, identifiers, etc. Currently I don't even own a drive that can read UHD.

[spotswood]

Hi all... recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9 (Movie & Menus) using the latest v0.50.23 and re-encoded the DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1. This particular title uses multiple .m2ts files and as the movie plays, when moving from one .m2ts to the next there is an audible scratchy noise for a split second, very distracting. Any ideas? Thanks for any help/suggestions...

[MrVideo]

recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9
Can I ask a curiosity question... with the prices of BD25 media so cheap these days, why a BD9?

Have you tried just extracting just the DTS core, instead of recoding?

[spotswood]

Can I ask a curiosity question... with the prices of BD25 media so cheap these days, why a BD9?

Have you tried just extracting just the DTS core, instead of recoding?Simply because I don't burn, I save all my rebuilds to HDD's and play them with Kodi using DSPlayer/LAVaudio/ReClock/madVR. This saves a ton of "space" which allows for a much larger library and the quality is negligible (in my opinion).

To answer to your second question, I'm in the process of running a second job right now to test, although the dts core takes up a little more space for minimal (if any) increase in sound quality. Plus I only use a 5.1 soundbar for my sound system...

...and I know how jdobbs feels about software players but I haven't had any problems with my current setup. I'll burn a disc and try playing it in my Samsung player that's been gathering dust... ;^)

[MrVideo]

although the dts core takes up a little more space for minimal (if any) better sound quality. Plus I only use a 5.1 soundbar for my sound system...
The point is to do as little recoding as possible. Everytime a digital file is recoded, errors/artifacts are introduced. I believe that the DTS core is only 5.1. No recoding required.

[spotswood]

The point is to do as little recoding as possible. Everytime a digital file is recoded, errors/artifacts are introduced. I believe that the DTS core is only 5.1. No recoding required.I completely understand and appreciate what you're saying, but I've done over 100 rebuilds converting dts to ac3 (for no other reason than to save space and a higher video bitrate) with excellent results. The titles I've had problems with recently are with multiple .m2ts files converting DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1, so maybe that has something to do with it, I don't know, but I'm trying different things and will report back. Thanks for the help...

[jdobbs]

Hi all... recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9 (Movie & Menus) using the latest v0.50.23 and re-encoded the DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1. This particular title uses multiple .m2ts files and as the movie plays, when moving from one .m2ts to the next there is an audible scratchy noise for a split second, very distracting. Any ideas? Thanks for any help/suggestions...I'll run a test on that one and see what I can find.

[geheim]

Probably not. But I'd have to do a lot of dumping of a UHD disc so I can make sure the backup uses proper flags, identifiers, etc. Currently I don't even own a drive that can read UHD.

What about adding UHD Support for mkv files?? So that mkv could be converted to UHD file structure and - if necessary - reencoded/shrinked to fit on BD-25/50??

Isn't that easier than doing "full backups" of discs?? And you wouldn't Need to have a UHD drive.

By adding this function we could easily backup some UHD TV recordings and play them on UHD Players - better than with MKV.

Perhaps you could take a look at it??
Thanks so much :)

[Mark_Venture]

Have you tried just extracting just the DTS core, instead of recoding?Not trying to hijack the discussion, but... do you mean using 3rd party tools to manually extract DTS core and mux it back into the BD-Rebuilder output file? Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

[worknstiff]

@ Mark_Venture; Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

Yes, When doing a BD25 backup you just leave the check in the (Do Not Convert DTS to AC3)

[spotswood]

Not trying to hijack the discussion, but... do you mean using 3rd party tools to manually extract DTS core and mux it back into the BD-Rebuilder output file? Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

@ Mark_Venture... Yes, When doing a BD25 backup you just leave the check in the (Do Not Convert DTS to AC3)Correct, and you also need to UNcheck "Keep HD Audio for BD25/Alternate intact". That will tell BDRB to extract the DTS core when doing BD25. When doing BD9 (in my case) it uses the core track automatically since using the HD audio would take up WAY too much space...

[AmigaFuture]

Assuming (from previous speculations) that your source is a conversion from BBC(25) to NTSC(29.97i) could you perhaps upload a few seconds snippet of your source? I am just curious how this looks like. Thanks.

Sure, soon as I create some time.

[bryrabknowles]

This is more feature request than bug, but on my machine I find that running THREADS=1 and MULTIPROCESS=12 provides me with the fastest encode on my machine.
The problem I'm having is that on files too small to multiprocess, they're also stuck with a single thread in their single process - my best results in a single process come at THREADS=15

Could you add a MULTIPROCESS_ THREADS option to optimize both scenarios when doing a full backup?

[Mark_Venture]

@ Mark_Venture; Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

Yes, When doing a BD25 backup you just leave the check in the (Do Not Convert DTS to AC3)

Correct, and you also need to UNcheck "Keep HD Audio for BD25/Alternate intact". That will tell BDRB to extract the DTS core when doing BD25. When doing BD9 (in my case) it uses the core track automatically since using the HD audio would take up WAY too much space...
Ahh I'm doing Alt-MovieOnly-MKV... not BD-25 or the like. And I've been running with Don't convert DTS to AC3 and Keep HD intact.... So seems like if I uncheck Keep HD I should get just core DTS?

[spotswood]

Ahh I'm doing Alt-MovieOnly-MKV... not BD-25 or the like. And I've been running with Don't convert DTS to AC3 and Keep HD intact.... So seems like if I uncheck Keep HD I should get just core DTS?Yep... ;^)

[spotswood]

Hi all... recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9 (Movie & Menus) using the latest v0.50.23 and re-encoded the DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1. This particular title uses multiple .m2ts files and as the movie plays, when moving from one .m2ts to the next there is an audible scratchy noise for a split second, very distracting. Any ideas? Thanks for any help/suggestions...OK, so I've done a few more tests. I ran another job same as above just to make sure and the scratchy noise remains between .m2ts files. Also burned a DVD+R DL and played it in my Samsung player, scratchy noise persists...

Ran another keeping the DTS core w/BD9 and the soundtrack played clean in Kodi and I don't hear the scratchy noise between .m2ts files, interesting. I also did a movie-only BD9 re-encoding to AC3 and the soundtrack also plays cleanly w/no scratchy noise, probably because the multiple .m2ts files are all combined into one for movie-only. So I've kept the latter for the time being hoping a fix can be found for this minor bug. Thanks again for the replies and help and thank you jdobbs for the great program!

[MrVideo]

So I've kept the latter for the time being hoping a fix can be found for this minor bug.
So, why not roll with the DTS core, which involves no recoding, and gives you the audio as intended by the studio?

There are those that say DTS is better than Dolby Digital.

[spotswood]

So, why not roll with the DTS core, which involves no recoding, and gives you the audio as intended by the studio?

There are those that say DTS is better than Dolby Digital.Because I get a higher video bitrate w/BD9-AC3 and a negligible decrease in sound quality from the DTS core (again in my opinion), just personal preference. Must be those "top men" that say DTS is better... ;^)

[MrVideo]

Must be those "top men" that say DTS is better... ;^)
Saw it in a Wiki page about DTS. We all know how Wiki pages are always 100% right/correct. :D

[MrVideo]

Because I get a higher video bitrate w/BD9-AC3 and a negligible decrease in sound quality from the DTS core
I'm curious... What bitrate do you get between the two of them?

You know, you could get a QNAP 12 bay NAS and put 10 TB drives in it, running two RAID6 volumes. That would get you about 72 TB of storage. You could then save the files at BD25 rates and keep the high res audio. :D

Ya, I know, you have to win Powerball for that to happen. :eek:

[spotswood]

You'd be surprised how much space is used by HD audio --

IMHO anything greater than AC3 @ 640Kbs is a waste of space unless you really, really need more than 5.1 channels. I know people argue about that all the time, and that's why BD-RB allows you to do it however you want. But I trust science, and the double-blind tests (conducted by Dolby) show that 640Kbs AC3 encoding is indistinguishable to the human ear from the original audio (this is where I invariably get all the subjective "Yeah, but I can hear it with my magic ears" comments). I personally believe "HD Audio" to be nothing more than snake oil, it's just snake oil that happens to be selling very well.

On the other hand, opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has one -- and nobody cares about anybody else's. :) Mine included.From the man himself. Science! I rest my case. No more questions ur honor... ;^)

[Lathe]

“A child of five could understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.”
― Groucho Marx

:D LOVE Groucho! (I haven't been getting any notifications since 5/31 - just NOW saw this.....)

[gamete]

Good morning

Is it possible make BD from 5 mkv ?
For example

Mkv1
Mkv2
Mkv3
Mkv4
Mkv5

Into 1 BD 25GB ?

What is the Best option to use ?

Thanks

[MrVideo]

Is it possible make BD from 5 mkv ?
Short answer is yes.
What is the Best option to use?
Therein lies the longer answer. It isn't so much an option as the steps needed. All depending on the ifs.

As for options, the only ones to worry about are what you want for the menu font, its color, etc.

If you do not have a BD25-RW disc, get one. You'll want to test what you've done on a rewritable, otherwise you will end up burning coasters. Hardly anyone gets it right the first time around.

OK, first off, what is the video and audio formats contained within the MKV file? Hopefully the video is H.264, BD compliant. The audio needs to be BD compliant at well, though until jdobbs puts out a new version that will allow DD+ audio, any DD+ audio must be converted before use.

If the video and audio are BD compliant and the total size of all the files will fit on the BD-25, then you have the easiest numbers of steps to make a disc:

Go thru all of the options and set the fonts for the menu to what you want, including color.
Import the MKV files
Set up the menu, sorting the order of the imported files and setting the menu titles for the file. Set the overall title as well.
When menu setup is done, BDRB will now mux all of the files and create the menu.
Done. Burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories onto a BD25-RW and test.

Do not close BDRB, as you may need what has been done so far. If the BD videos do not play in your BD player, then the videos were not BD compliant and BDRB must recode them. At this point, go back to the BDRB program and click on the Backup button. BD-RB will now recode all of the videos and build an ISO for you to burn to BD25-RW.

If you desire, you can create your own menu background and import it into BDRB. If you do that, when building the menu, clear the text for the menu title. You will need to position the text using the offsets available in the options. Go back thru the thread and you will find a post from me that provides a couple of templates that have grids to give you a guide as to what to use. I try and center the text horizontally and that depends on the longest menu item. It also depends on the number of menu items on a page. If have 8, or less, set the menu item count per page to 8 and then BDRB won't try and default to two columns, giving a longer line length for those 8.

If you have the means in which to play ISO files, then you won't need the BD25-RW media. You'll just need ImgBurn in order to create an ISO from the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories.

Here is a little bit of a monkey wrench... if the videos you want to import are 1080i29.97 and have 2:3 pulldown video, then you will have to continue on thru the Backup portion and set the IVTC option to 1. That way the 2-3 pulldown will be removed and the video recoded to 1080p23.976. You really do not want 1080i29.97 2:3 pulldown video on BD.

If you have a mixture of non-2:3 pulldown and 2:3 pulldown video, I do not know what to do in that case.

Lastly, if you made a mistake, you must start over. BDRB currently does not have the means in which to keep the menu you had created, i.e., when you import the files again, the menu info will be reset. I've asked for a feature that allows for keeping the menu text.

Experiment. I did a lot of that when I first started making my own Blu-rays from scratch. If you get stumped, post a specific question and we'll get back to you.

[gamete]

With bdrebuilder is possible make a menu ?
i dont' find this option

[varekai]

Good morning

Is it possible make BD from 5 mkv ?
For example

Mkv1
Mkv2
Mkv3
Mkv4
Mkv5

Into 1 BD 25GB ?

What is the Best option to use ?
Thanks

I don't want to complicate things for you but I have created many BD projects with menus from mkv files with multiAVCHD.
It's a bit of a learning curve but once you get an idea of how to make a workflow it does it's job well.
Sadly the software is no longer developed and it has some bugs.
It's a lot of fun to use so have a go at it!

https://multiavchd.deanbg.com/

Edit: Forgot to mention that if the output gets to big to fit on a BD25GB, well that's when BDRB can do it's magic!

[gamete]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression

[varekai]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression
Sorry I don't understand what you mean?
Personally I'd stay away from the "monkey".

[gamete]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression for create a BD structure from MKV

After if necessary compression with BDrebuilder

[varekai]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression for create a BD structure from MKV

After if necessary compression with BDrebuilder
OK, I understand. I have used a trial of the "monkey" some years ago,
never bought a license though. Didn't like it at all.
For me my workflow is the "red fox" for ripping,
multiAVCHD for creating menus with my own pictuers etc.,
both from BDMV folder structure and mkv files and also adding my own subtitles,
then BDRB for compressing. Works fine for me.

[MrVideo]

With bdrebuilder is possible make a menu ?
i dont' find this option
See steps 2 & 3 in my post. After you've imported the files, you are automatically presented with the GUI to set up the text for the menu items. It isn't an option.

[gamete]

thanks

[MrVideo]

I don't want to complicate things for you but I have created many BD projects with menus from mkv files with multiAVCHD.
I did not like how the software progressed from one menu item to the next. Plus, it never added to ability to have a simple text menu, which BDRB has. The transition from one menu page to another is very smooth.

I create my own image background for the menu. Placed on it is the simple text for the menu items. I can pick the font and its color.

IMHO, BDRB, beats multiAVCHD, hands down. Can it be improved? Of course it can. Every program can be improved. I've put forward some suggestions.

[varekai]

I did not like how the software progressed from one menu item to the next. Plus, it never added to ability to have a simple text menu, which BDRB has. The transition from one menu page to another is very smooth.

I create my own image background for the menu. Placed on it is the simple text for the menu items. I can pick the font and its color.

IMHO, BDRB, beats multiAVCHD, hands down. Can it be improved? Of course it can. Every program can be improved. I've put forward some suggestions.
You are probaly right, me using multiAVCHD is out of old habit and they seems to die hard.
Never tried menu option in BDRB, guess I'll have to give it try when a new project arises.

[gamete]

Dvdfab not allow to create a bd
Only dvd5 or dvd9

[varekai]

Dvdfab not allow to create a bd
Only dvd5 or dvd9
Now things get out of topic, this is a BDRB bug reports only forum.
Better continue this discussion at the "monkey" forum.
Short answer, I believe it does support output to BD, there's a tutorial on their site.

[gamete]

Absoluty

[bryrabknowles]

This is more feature request than bug, but on my machine I find that running THREADS=1 and MULTIPROCESS=12 provides me with the fastest encode on my machine.
The problem I'm having is that on files too small to multiprocess, they're also stuck with a single thread in their single process - my best results in a single process come at THREADS=15

Could you add a MULTIPROCESS_ THREADS option to optimize both scenarios when doing a full backup?

Bumping this so it doesn't get lost.

Is there something I'm missing that would help with this?

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrVideo

If you have any suggestions, please pass them along.

Take up knitting?

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/laughter.gif

Sorry, haven't been getting any notifications again; just now catching up :)

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AmigaFuture

The Lawyer thing...I was messin' with you in my reply. I appreciate the catch in typo.

No offense taken. There was another typo in the response, but I left that one alone. :D

DOHHHH! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif This guy is TOO much!

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spotswood

"recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9"


Is this the Space Thriller about the 'makeup' killer...?

Sorry, couldn't resist... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[jdobbs]

OK, so I've done a few more tests. I ran another job same as above just to make sure and the scratchy noise remains between .m2ts files. Also burned a DVD+R DL and played it in my Samsung player, scratchy noise persists...

Ran another keeping the DTS core w/BD9 and the soundtrack played clean in Kodi and I don't hear the scratchy noise between .m2ts files, interesting. I also did a movie-only BD9 re-encoding to AC3 and the soundtrack also plays cleanly w/no scratchy noise, probably because the multiple .m2ts files are all combined into one for movie-only. So I've kept the latter for the time being hoping a fix can be found for this minor bug. Thanks again for the replies and help and thank you jdobbs for the great program!I ran "Rogue One" this morning and I can't repeat your issue. It sounds perfect after reencoding to AC3 and making into an MKV. Also, if you kept the DTS track and it is working correctly -- any issue would have nothing to do with the fact that there are multiple M2TS files -- because the DTS is combined first and then reencoded to AC3 when converting. In fact -- there is no way that an AC3 encoder could even tell when the breaks between tracks occur since it is using the DTS track as its source.

Could you post the contents of the AUD_00800_XXXX.AVS file from the working folder? (the XXXX would be a number that depends on which audio track you are keeping. The primary English track on my disc is 4352.)

[gonca]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spotswood

"recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9"


Is this the Space Thriller about the 'makeup' killer...?

Sorry, couldn't resist... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

A million comedians out of work, and you want to be one of them

[Lathe]

A million comedians out of work, and you want to be one of them

Well... we all have our gifts... :cool:

[Lathe]

On a more serious note... (cough...) [and I am STILL not getting any notifications - I think JD has disabled mine to discourage my corny comments...] Anyway... Is there a way to keep an episode intact, no compression, but compress all the xtras on a disc? I have disc 6 of the UK series UFO (absolutely B*tch'n BTW!) which has only 1 episode, but a bunch of xtras. I would LIKE to keep the menu structure intact if possible, compress all the xtras to fit on a BD-25, and keep the one episode 7.x gigs so there's plenty of room, intact.

[Lathe]

Hmmm, how about doing a whole disc compression set to, say, about 15 gigs in size, would I get away with going back into the finished compressed disc and simply re-insert the full size m2ts file for the now compressed one, bringing up the full size on the disc to approximately 22 gigs? Can I get away with that and will it still play properly?

[gonca]

Well... we all have our gifts... :cool:

And one day we will find yours

Try quick encode for extras, adjust the crf in ini until the compression for the extras is enough to allow the episode to go through untouched
How big is the source

[Lathe]

And one day we will find yours

Try quick encode for extras, adjust the crf in ini until the compression for the extras is enough to allow the episode to go through untouched
How big is the source

Thanks a lot... :sly:

I understand about the fast encode for Xtras (I normally use that) but, I don't quite understand the 2nd part about adjusting the CRF... Will BDRB automatically 'know' to leave the larger, primary file untouched, and compress the rest?

[Lathe]

Ah, Gmail was sending my Doom9 notifications directly to SPAM. Clever Google; somehow they must know about the 'usefulness' of Gonca's & Mr. Video's replies... :D

[MrVideo]

Well... we all have our gifts... :cool:
And that wasn't one of them. :eek:

[MrVideo]

Hmmm, how about doing a whole disc compression set to, say, about 15 gigs in size, would I get away with going back into the finished compressed disc and simply re-insert the full size m2ts file for the now compressed one, bringing up the full size on the disc to approximately 22 gigs? Can I get away with that and will it still play properly?
My educated guess (ya I know, what education :D ) is no. There is specifics about the M2TS file that is stored in other parts of the Blu-ray structure.

[Lathe]

My educated guess (ya I know, what education :D ) is no. There is specifics about the M2TS file that is stored in other parts of the Blu-ray structure.

Yeah, I kinda thought that would be just TOO easy :)

Oh, sorry Gonca, I think you asked what the overall size of the disc was. About 37 gigs.

Well, I suppose if I have it set for faster encoding of Xtras with my usual high settings, I'm sure the episode will probably come out just fine. Just trying to squeeze out the best quality within 'reason', as usual...

[gonca]

Thanks a lot... :sly:

I understand about the fast encode for Xtras (I normally use that) but, I don't quite understand the 2nd part about adjusting the CRF... Will BDRB automatically 'know' to leave the larger, primary file untouched, and compress the rest?

If there is enough space for the main movie, after compressing the extras, then it should just be copied over.
How big is the main movie?
Re the Gmail issue
They weren't sparing you, they were doing us a favour:D:D

[Lathe]

If there is enough space for the main movie, after compressing the extras, then it should just be copied over.
How big is the main movie?
Re the Gmail issue
They weren't sparing you, they were doing us a favour:D:D

OUCH! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

Sorry, I added in the disc size above. The lone episode on this disc is as I mentioned, only about 7.x gigs, so the other 15+ gigs left is plenty for all the Xtras at a faster rate (If I can figure out how to do it...)

The deal is that I scored this awesome set from the UK, but of course if is Region 'B' locked. So, I've backed up the other 5 discs to the VERY last 5 BD-50's that I had (I know... but I really LOVE this series and it looks frigg'n AMAZING!) So, the last disc only has one episode in it and several Xtras. I normally am not hyper-critical about super duper compression with the Xtras, so if there was a way to sneak the full uncompressed episode along with all the Xtras onto a regular BD-25, that would be great.

[Lathe]

I suppose keeping the full menu structure isn't absolutely necessary. Normally, in most cases I just use BDRB and import the segments and use it's own menu. It's just that in this case, there are quite a few Xtras, so it would be CONVENIENT to be able to keep the menu structure if possible. I know JD is rolling his eyes right about now saying, 'Just compress the whole disc already!' :D

That's probably what I will do. Just would have been interesting to figure out how to do it.

[gonca]

Try a full disc back up with quicker encode for extras. Adjust the crf used for the extras until the episode fits without encoding
This should keep the menu

[Lathe]

Try a full disc back up with quicker encode for extras. Adjust the crf used for the extras until the episode fits without encoding
This should keep the menu

Gonca, I really love you man, but you are repeating yourself mate :)

You already suggested that I think in your first post, but I mentioned in reply that I don't understand how to 'adjust the CRF for the extras' If you can explain to me how to do that, that would be great, thanks!

*** EDIT

Wait! YES, actually, sorry, I DO remember now how to do that. I set the ini for is it 'alternate crf' or something like that. Right now, I think I have it set for 24.

So, what you are saying is that for me just to go ahead and do the re-encode and then if the episode isn't passed through untouched (or close to that) then set the alternate CRF for like 28 or something like that and then do it again...?

[Lathe]

Oh, here we go! Is it this setting:

QUICK_CRF=24

[Lathe]

Ah crumb! There is one hitch though dang it! There is ONE Xtra that actually is larger than the one episode. The episode is about 7.x Gigs and the one Xtra is about 11 Gigs. Dang! Is there a way to flag the episode as the main title or tell BDRB that the 11 Gig segment is an Xtra...?

I bet not... :(

[gonca]

Ah crumb! There is one hitch though dang it! There is ONE Xtra that actually is larger than the one episode. The episode is about 7.x Gigs and the one Xtra is about 11 Gigs. Dang! Is there a way to flag the episode as the main title or tell BDRB that the 11 Gig segment is an Xtra...?

I bet not... :(

As far as I know, you win the bet

[Lathe]

As far as I know, you win the bet

Thanks... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[gonca]

Actually, try loading the disc into BD_RB
The section that is expanded, shows audio subs etc, does it show the episode or the large extra

[Lathe]

Actually, try loading the disc into BD_RB
The section that is expanded, shows audio subs etc, does it show the episode or the large extra

Hmmm, I'll do it again and check that...

[Lathe]

Yeah... the expanded one is the 11 Gig segment. You'd kind of THINK, maybe, that BDRB would select the main title with the HD audio, but I guess the bigger size is usually correct.

[Lathe]

Heh, it's SO close too, in a way... In 'Movie Only' there is a choice of 'Other Main Movie' playlist. Now, if in 'Full Backup' mode, there was SOME bloody way also to choose 'Another Main Movie' playlist, that would be perfect!

Hmmm, one thing I could TRY is to extract the 11 Gig Xtra and using x264 go ahead and shrink it by itself to say 2 Gigs or whatever. Then, re-insert that new, smaller m2ts back into and replace the original within the whole BD structure, THEN try opening that altered full structure into BDRB and see if it 'buys' it...

[Lathe]

Well, it LOOKS like it is working. I took the 11 Gig Xtra and used BDRB at a CRF of 24 to bring it down to about 2.6 Gigs, changed the name of the resulting m2ts file to the original name (number) and swapped the new, smaller file back in the structure in place of the 11 Gig original. BDRB then SEEMED to accept the new structure. So, now the 'movie' file is shown to be the actual 7.x Gig episode, with everything else being Xtras. Then, I reloaded the new (and improved) structure back into BDRB and am now reprocessing it. So far, no errors or anything. So, we'll see if the resulting product (1) has left the episode it's original size, and (2) see if the bloody thing actually plays correctly!

[MrVideo]

I suspected that what you were going to do was going to work. Why? Because you weren't going to play the new structure in a BD software, or hardware, player.

BDRB, on the other hand, just sees them as files.

[musiclover]

Well, it LOOKS like it is working. I took the 11 Gig Xtra and used BDRB at a CRF of 24 to bring it down to about 2.6 Gigs, changed the name of the resulting m2ts file to the original name (number) and swapped the new, smaller file back in the structure in place of the 11 Gig original. BDRB then SEEMED to accept the new structure. So, now the 'movie' file is shown to be the actual 7.x Gig episode, with everything else being Xtras. Then, I reloaded the new (and improved) structure back into BDRB and am now reprocessing it. So far, no errors or anything. So, we'll see if the resulting product (1) has left the episode it's original size, and (2) see if the bloody thing actually plays correctly!

If it is not working, maybe this will help you
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1678011#post1678011

[Lathe]

I suspected that what you were going to do was going to work. Why? Because you weren't going to play the new structure in a BD software, or hardware, player.

BDRB, on the other hand, just sees them as files.

Well, when I get chance, I will burn to disc and see if that works. After re-encoding last night, I checked the log this morning (I always make a nice big log in the morning... :rolleyes: ) cough..., sorry... anyway I checked the log in the morning and sure enough the last episode file was passed through (see, same idea...) untouched.

So, if it burns okay that hopefully should be it. Like I say, if it comes down to it, honestly, if I simply have to do a full disc backup set at 'High' 2 pass with tweaks like I normally do for larger films, and with a fast encode for Xtras, I'm sure that will be just fine...

We'll see...

[Lathe]

If it is not working, maybe this will help you
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1678011#post1678011

Wow, good find mate! Thanks kindly, but that is just a TAD over my pay grade, I'm afraid. I'll see if my bumbling so far has worked and go from there...

[Lathe]

YEP! It worked! and the SUPER compressed 1 1/2 hr Xtra along with everything else looks LOVELY!

I guess I'm a clever li'l B@stard after all... :cool:

[gonca]

I always make a nice big log in the morning... and sure enough the last episode was passed through
@Lathe
Is this your main accomplishment for the day?

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Is this your main accomplishment for the day?

Yep... and damn proud of it! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Rock On1.gif

[MrVideo]

If it is not working, maybe this will help you
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1678011#post1678011
Ya, all those steps explain why, in a round about way, why you can't just drop a new M2TS file into a BD structure. :D

[Lathe]

Ya, all those steps explain why, in a round about way, why you can't just drop a new M2TS file into a BD structure. :D

Yeah... but I indeed DID drop a pre-compressed m2ts back into the structure, and I DIDN'T do ANY of that complicated stuff and it worked!


http://lathe-of-heaven.com/batman.gif

[jdobbs]

Yeah... but I indeed DID drop a pre-compressed m2ts back into the structure, and I DIDN'T do ANY of that complicated stuff and it worked!Generally a bad idea. There are references to specifics of that m2ts in other parts of the BD structure. It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps. Sometimes it might even cause a lock-up.

[worknstiff]

@ jdobbs RE: It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps.
I just did a rebuild of JW Chapter Two and the original rip plays fine but the BD Rebuilder version no longer displays the PiP "Pop-up" menu. I even tried to drop-in the rebuilt m2ts files into the "original" blue ray folder which just locks up playback. I wonder what BD Rebuilder changes that breaks the chapter selection pop-up?

[jdobbs]

@ jdobbs RE: It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps.
I just did a rebuild of JW Chapter Two and the original rip plays fine but the BD Rebuilder version no longer displays the PiP "Pop-up" menu. I even tried to drop-in the rebuilt m2ts files into the "original" blue ray folder which just locks up playback. I wonder what BD Rebuilder changes that breaks the chapter selection pop-up?I'll pick that one up sometime in the next day or two and give it a test.

[Lathe]

Generally a bad idea. There are references to specifics of that m2ts in other parts of the BD structure. It usually shows up in problems fast-forwarding, rewind, or chapter jumps. Sometimes it might even cause a lock-up.

Bummer... Well, good to know. Perhaps, I just got 'Lucky' this time. I will check the burn more carefully. Fortunately, it is fairly rare for an Xtra to be larger than the 'main movie' file, in this case a single episode.

Of course, if one could specify which playlist is to be used as the main movie file in a full backup.... (cough... cough...)

[MrVideo]

Yeah... but I indeed DID drop a pre-compressed m2ts back into the structure, and I DIDN'T do ANY of that complicated stuff and it worked!
As I wrote previously, it would not have have worked if you would have burned a disc and tried to play it in a software player, or a hardware player.

BDRB only looks at the M2TS files, not the other files that make the structure playable, as BDRB rebuilds those other files. That is why it worked.

[jdobbs]

As I wrote previously, it would not have have worked if you would have burned a disc and tried to play it in a software player, or a hardware player.

BDRB only looks at the M2TS files, not the other files that make the structure playable, as BDRB rebuilds those other files. That is why it worked.That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).

[CV91913]

I'll pick that one up sometime in the next day or two and give it a test.

That title has some unusual protection. It has playlist obfuscation but something else is at play. I was able to make a "movie only" BD but was unable to make a 720p MP4. The picture was really messed up. Screen would go black or white and pixilate. I even used the movie only structure (it used the correct playlist) to make the MP4, with the same results. For whatever reason, Clone BD was able to make the MP4 using the movie only structure. I don't normally use Clone BD because of its limited subtitle support for MP4.

[Lathe]

As I wrote previously, it would not have have worked if you would have burned a disc and tried to play it in a software player, or a hardware player.

BDRB only looks at the M2TS files, not the other files that make the structure playable, as BDRB rebuilds those other files. That is why it worked.

Oh, but I DID burn it my friend, and it (seemed) to play on my OPPO just fine. That's what I've been telling you :)

[Lathe]

That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).

Hmmm, maybe that's the key...

Remember, I did use BDRB first to compress the 11 Gig Xtra down to about 2.6 Gigs. Then I took that one m2ts and put it back into the full Blu-ray structure and replaced the previous 11 Gig m2ts. Then I used BDRB to process the entire disc as I normally would. So, however that worked, BDRB accepted the 'whole disc' and processed it even though I had substituted the BDRB processed m2ts back into the original structure.

So, YOU would certainly know better WHY, but for whatever reason, when BDRB 'read' and processed the entire modified structure, it didn't get tripped up by the fact that the one m2ts had been replaced.

Of course, once it was done processing the entire disc it obviously had altered everything within it as it normally would. Now, I don't know if it would have made a difference if I had just processed the m2ts file independently using x264 with a CMD line. Maybe since I used BDRB to process the file first it saw it as 'friendly'...

[SuperFist]

That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).

Jdobbs,

I would like to say your software, though you claim it to be still in Beta after all these years, is THE best compression program I've ever used for Blu-ray! I've even compared in the past, screenshot for screenshot, against the likes of DVDFab more than a few times. It can't be beat as far as I know!

And this begs the question, why have you not went retail with this software? I know I will piss off many in this thread and those who've come to rely on your software wholeheartedly and as a backup. I'm just curious why you think it's not ready for primetime?

Because I can tell you now, I can run down an almost endless list of big name companies who make software with FAR MORE bugs than I've seen in this thread!

[Lathe]

Jdobbs,

I would like to say your software, though you claim it to be still in Beta after all these years, is THE best compression program I've ever used for Blu-ray! I've even compared in the past, screenshot for screenshot, against the likes of DVDFab more than a few times. It can't be beat as far as I know!

And this begs the question, why have you not went retail with this software? I know I will piss off many in this thread and those who've come to rely on your software wholeheartedly and as a backup. I'm just curious why you think it's not ready for primetime?

Because I can tell you now, I can run down an almost endless list of big name companies who make software with FAR MORE bugs than I've seen in this thread!

Ah, yet another clever but transparent ruse by JD...

And, to think that one of our revered Heroes would stoop so low... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[SuperFist]

Ah, yet another clever but transparent ruse by JD...

And, to think that one of our revered Heroes would stoop so low... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

Wait, what? Are you insinuating that I'm jdobbs? It's gotten to that point now? Wow... I've been away too long! :(

This is who I am...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p278/cashflow71/YouTube_zpse6h20huj.png

[spotswood]

That title (JW2) has some unusual protection. It has playlist obfuscation but something else is at play...Yes, something else is going on. I ran both a BD25 and a BD9 movie n menus (blanking extras) and both have problems with the menus. When trying to play a specific chapter the movie always starts from the beginning, and at the end of the movie both hang and don't return to the main menu. I tried both again as Full Backup and the menus still don't work correctly. Might have to go the movie-only route with this one too unless you can come up with a fix...

[Lathe]

Wait, what? Are you insinuating that I'm jdobbs? It's gotten to that point now? Wow... I've been away too long! :(

This is who I am...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p278/cashflow71/YouTube_zpse6h20huj.png

Again, very clever...

I took the liberty of using some very advanced, cutting edge face-recognition algorithms on your profile photo. You take away the Afro, turn the face white, and add a whole bunch of wrinkles, and you have JD...

[MrVideo]

That's not true. In fact BD-RB modifies any and all files that are affected and need to be updated by a reencode. But only if BD-RB does the reencode (it can't know when someone is dropping in other replacement files).
You do not modify the two other files that go with a M2TS if you do not do the re-encode? Interesting. I thought you rebuilt all of those files, no matter what.

[MrVideo]

Oh, but I DID burn it my friend, and it (seemed) to play on my OPPO just fine. That's what I've been telling you :)
I misunderstood. I thought you were playing the BDRB backup version, not the BD structure before doing the backup.

I tried doing that once by using tsmuxer to make a M2TS file and put it back into the BD structure and it would not play. It was not liked at all by my player.

[MrVideo]

And this begs the question, why have you not went[sic] retail with this software?
That might draw the attention of HollyGreed. They do not like anything that gives the appearance of being able to do backups of their product, even though BDRB doesn't do encryption breaking and is not technically in violation of the copyright act, which allows owners to back up their media. The DMCA says otherwise, but the difference has yet to come up in the courts,

[Lathe]

You do not modify the two other files that go with a M2TS if you do not do the re-encode? Interesting. I thought you rebuilt all of those files, no matter what.

I don't quite understand what you mean here, sorry...

Also, as per your post after this one, I played the resultant Blu-ray after I re-inserted the shrunk m2ts file back into the original BD structure (37 Gigs) and then processed the entire structure with BDRB to render a final BD25 disc that played just fine.

Like I mentioned in a post before, I MIGHT have gotten away with it because I used BDRB itself to shrink the 11 Gig Xtra so that it would then be smaller than the 'main movie' file, which in reality is the one episode on the disc, so that THEN with a smaller sized Xtra, BDRB would THEN rightly recognize the one episode RATHER than what would have been the larger Xtra as the 'main movie file' That way, when I processed the altered version of the BD structure, I could then use 'fast encode for Xtras' and leave the lone episode untouched. That was my primary reason for doing this. Otherwise, untouched, BDRB would have recognized the 11 Gig Xtra as the 'main movie file', and then using 'fast encode for Xtras' would unfortunately shrink the episode while leaving the 11 Gig Xtra untouched.

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFist

And this begs the question, why have you not went[sic] retail with this software?

Heh... Dude, you are such a frigg'n PERFECTIONIST! :D

[MrVideo]

I don't quite understand what you mean here, sorry...
There is a clipinfo and mpls (I think those are the two) file that is created for each m2ts file.
Also, as per your post after this one, I played the resultant Blu-ray after I re-inserted the shrunk m2ts file back into the original BD structure (37 Gigs) and then processed the entire structure with BDRB to render a final BD25 disc that played just fine.
Like I said, you DID NOT burn and play the BD structure (37GB) after reinserting the modified M2TS file. I'm saying that I expect that disc not to play the file you replaced. You only played the BD structure that BDRB put together. Apples and oranges.

[MrVideo]

Heh... Dude, you are such a frigg'n PERFECTIONIST! :D
With the line of work that I did, I had to be.

[Lathe]

There is a clipinfo and mpls (I think those are the two) file that is created for each m2ts file.

Like I said, you DID NOT burn and play the BD structure (37GB) after reinserting the modified M2TS file. I'm saying that I expect that disc not to play the file you replaced. You only played the BD structure that BDRB put together. Apples and oranges.

Oh, I see... Yeah, I didn't understand what you meant. But, that's kind of what I explained when I said that AFTER BDRB rebuilt the whole disc THEN it played okay, which is was counted. No... I think you are probably quite right; that you cannot just drop in a random replacement m2ts out of the air and have it play properly. I see now what other files you meant (clipinfo & mpls) I forgot about those also accompanying the m2ts file.

[Lathe]

With the line of work that I did, I had to be.

Makes sense... Being a serial killer you REALLY hafta watch the details... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[MrVideo]

Makes sense... Being a serial killer you REALLY hafta watch the details... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif
Damn, I've been found out. :cool:

[bryrabknowles]

Is there a way to use separate "threads" values depending on whether you're using Multiprocess?

Example:
Threads=1 for Multiprocess=12
Threads=15 for Multiprocess=0

[jdobbs]

You do not modify the two other files that go with a M2TS if you do not do the re-encode? Interesting. I thought you rebuilt all of those files, no matter what.If BD-RB reencodes it, the other files associated with it (MPLS, CLPI, etc) are modified to match the reencode. But if you drop in another M2TS file -- how is BD-RB supposed to know you did that and prepare those files? The new M2TS file would be included in the rebuild, of course, but it likely wouldn't match it's corresponding CLPI, and the MPLS wouldn't be updated with the changes.

[jdobbs]

Is there a way to use separate "threads" values depending on whether you're using Multiprocess?

Example:
Threads=1 for Multiprocess=12
Threads=15 for Multiprocess=0You can manually set THREADS to any value you want using the TWEAK_PASS_ONE and TWEAK_PASS_TWO hidden options.

[SuperFist]

I am using the x264 64bit version from BD-RBV05011 and just renamed it to x264L-64 and replaced the one in the current BD-RB with it :)

You can find the version here:https://www.videohelp.com/software/BD-Rebuilder/old-versions

Thank you, fine sir! You are a gentleman and a scholar! ;)

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs,

I would like to say your software, though you claim it to be still in Beta after all these years, is THE best compression program I've ever used for Blu-ray! I've even compared in the past, screenshot for screenshot, against the likes of DVDFab more than a few times. It can't be beat as far as I know!

And this begs the question, why have you not went retail with this software? I know I will piss off many in this thread and those who've come to rely on your software wholeheartedly and as a backup. I'm just curious why you think it's not ready for primetime?

Because I can tell you now, I can run down an almost endless list of big name companies who make software with FAR MORE bugs than I've seen in this thread!Thanks for the kind words. I guess money was never the driver for BD-RB's development. I accepted donations for a while -- but that was more than spent in purchases of discs for testing and occasional hardware upgrades. PayPal gave me the heave-ho because they couldn't tell the difference between my software and a ripper (giving me the distinct impression that PayPal doesn't hire the sharpest analysts). So that pretty much ended even the donations. I then decided I'd start accepting Amazon gift cards (since Amazon is where I bought most of my discs). But that dried up quickly -- with the last gift card coming in back in Jan or Feb. So, I guess the point is that it's more a labor of love than anything profitable.

As for the beta status... I think I'm trying to set a record, though I don't know that Guinness has a category for "software beta"

I appreciate the thought.

[kufo]

@jdobbs
Wich email-adress to use for an Amazon a gift card? Don´t know if itspossible to sent one from germany to a foreign county. Otherwise I need a creditcard :confused:

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
Wich email-adress to use for an Amazon a gift card? Don´t know if itspossible to sent one from germany to a foreign county. Otherwise I need a creditcard :confused:It would have to go to dvd-rb@jdobbs.net. If you click on HELP/Donations in BD-RB it will take you to the site. Unfortunately donations from a non-US Amazon site can only be used there -- and they don't seem to ship to the US. It's no big deal -- I hope I didn't appear to be begging for donations in my last post.

[kufo]

It would have to go to dvd-rb@jdobbs.net. If you click on HELP/Donations in BD-RB it will take you to the site. Unfortunately donations from a non-US Amazon site can only be used there -- and they don't seem to ship to the US. It's no big deal -- I hope I didn't appear to be begging for donations in my last post.

Not at all. When it was possible to donate by paypal, it was very easy for me. I think such a grat job in developing this software must be suppurted by periodical donations!

[MrVideo]

If BD-RB reencodes it, the other files associated with it (MPLS, CLPI, etc) are modified to match the reencode. But if you drop in another M2TS file -- how is BD-RB supposed to know you did that and prepare those files? The new M2TS file would be included in the rebuild, of course, but it likely wouldn't match it's corresponding CLPI, and the MPLS wouldn't be updated with the changes.
Ah, OK. So, I'm guessing that Lathe's manually resized M2TS file got re-encoded by BDRB, so that the other files would have gotten rebuilt, otherwise I would have expected that extra to not have played.

[Lathe]

Damn, I've been found out. :cool:

Dude, it's kind of been obvious to all of us for quite a while... But, you're 'pretty good' with video, so we figure what you do on your private time...

[Lathe]

Thanks for the kind words. I guess money was never the driver for BD-RB's development. I accepted donations for a while -- but that was more than spent in purchases of discs for testing and occasional hardware upgrades. PayPal gave me the heave-ho because they couldn't tell the difference between my software and a ripper (giving me the distinct impression that PayPal doesn't hire the sharpest analysts). So that pretty much ended even the donations. I then decided I'd start accepting Amazon gift cards (since Amazon is where I bought most of my discs). But that dried up quickly -- with the last gift card coming in back in Jan or Feb. So, I guess the point is that it's more a labor of love than anything profitable.

As for the beta status... I think I'm trying to set a record, though I don't know that Guinness has a category for "software beta"

I appreciate the thought.

I swear, we ALL must be the most thankless, ungrateful, lazy-@ss P\/ssy B@stards of all time! I think time just goes by and we get forgetful. NO excuse though...

I wish that you'd just put the damn thing on a $5.95 / month subscription. And, if ANY sniveling, whiny B@stards complain, just send their information to Mr. Video. I mean, WHO the hell can't afford that no matter what their weasly little preferences. Just do it man. And, the ones who really don't want to do a monthly, just charge them a one time fee of 59.95 and send them a specific key.

That way, it guarantees at least SOME regular income each month for you which is the very, Very, VERY least that you deserve.

(and, if I don't get the Kiss-@ss award of the year, I don't know who will...)

[gonca]

@Lathe
Here is your certificate
And award

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Here is your certificate
And award

I am very excited to see what my award looks like once your attachments are approved! :D

[bryrabknowles]

You can manually set THREADS to any value you want using the TWEAK_PASS_ONE and TWEAK_PASS_TWO hidden options.

This works in general but still limits to a single thread value.

During a full backup using multiprocess, some files are too small to multiprocess. If I have threads set at 1 because I use multiprocess=12, these smaller files take way longer to encode than they should because they're also stuck with a single thread.

[ggtop]

This works in general but still limits to a single thread value.

During a full backup using multiprocess, some files are too small to multiprocess. If I have threads set at 1 because I use multiprocess=12, these smaller files take way longer to encode than they should because they're also stuck with a single thread.

Hi bryrabknowles,

in general everytime splitting is used an additional step with TSMUXER is needed to combine the single *.264 files into one. This takes time, too. I guess that's why jdobbs decided to define a minimum m2ts file size.

But which speed gain do you expect? Maybe you could post a log file so that we can see the time needed for encoding. I assume that we are talking about a few minutes only for the whole rebuilding process. As a rule of thumb it was said already 30 years ago that speed gains below 33% are not noticable anyway. This applies to CPU, RAM and HDD Speed and for waiting :D
Even on my slower machine m2ts segments not being split (I use MULTIPROCESS=2) segments are encoded in 1-2 minutes.

So what are we talking about?

ggtop

[gonca]

@Lathe
Hope you like them

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Hope you like them

Wow, I'm honoured!

[AmigaFuture]

@Lathe

Just for you...

Ah, kiss it
Oh, baby, baby
Baby, baby
Oh, baby, baby
Lathe's here!
[Now wait a minute, y'all
This ass-kissin' ain't for everybody
Only the brown-nosers]
Lathe, and he's in effect
Coolin' by day then at night working those lips
Now kiss it
Ah, kiss it, kiss it good
Ah, kiss it, kiss it real good
Hey! Ow!
Kiss it good!


:D I agree though, JD should charge...something. There isn't anything wrong with making money from passion (Love). Shareware is a good idea still. I don't much care for subscriptions but a small price is cool. Maybe some code that excludes the long time helpers with make it an easier idea?

[Lathe]

@Lathe

Just for you...

Ah, kiss it
Oh, baby, baby
Baby, baby
Oh, baby, baby
Lathe's here!
[Now wait a minute, y'all
This ass-kissin' ain't for everybody
Only the brown-nosers]
Lathe, and he's in effect
Coolin' by day then at night working those lips
Now kiss it
Ah, kiss it, kiss it good
Ah, kiss it, kiss it real good
Hey! Ow!
Kiss it good!


:D

*cough... Well then... :o

[DoctorM]

Encoding Joe Versus the Volcano yesterday to BD25.
There are 3 bonus features ranging from 2 to 4 minutes (SD and HD).
The do not show up on the Stream tab and of course aren't being re-encoded.
MIN_M2TS_SIZE and MIN_PLAYLIST_MIN are both set to 0 (also tested 1).

A couple gb aren't critical, but I don't understand why warnings and studio splash screan are visible on the Stream tab, but not the extras which are bigger and longer.

[Sharc]

Encoding Joe Versus the Volcano yesterday to BD25.
There are 3 bonus features ranging from 2 to 4 minutes (SD and HD).
The do not show up on the Stream tab and of course aren't being re-encoded.
MIN_M2TS_SIZE and MIN_PLAYLIST_MIN are both set to 0 (also tested 1).

A couple gb aren't critical, but I don't understand why warnings and studio splash screan are visible on the Stream tab, but not the extras which are bigger and longer.
Can you play these Extras via your standalone HW player?
Sometimes Blu-ray discs contain 'orphaned Extras' which are not addressed in any of the playlists and may not even be Blu-ray specs compliant. One can only play these files via PC, or perhaps import them as individual files in BD-RB.

[Sharc]

When importing a file the first step is "Scanning for Variable Frame Rate". This process is quite slow it seems. Would it make sense to skip this step (option at user's risk) if one is positive that the framerate of the source is constant? I think you have good reasons for always scanning though ....

The hidden option for IMPORT_VFR_FILM is 1 for FILM (23.976) and 0 for VIDEO (29.97). What should I do with 24.00p and 25.00i (or fake-i) and 25p sources? Can I just leave it at the default 1?

[jdobbs]

Encoding Joe Versus the Volcano yesterday to BD25.
There are 3 bonus features ranging from 2 to 4 minutes (SD and HD).
The do not show up on the Stream tab and of course aren't being re-encoded.
MIN_M2TS_SIZE and MIN_PLAYLIST_MIN are both set to 0 (also tested 1).

A couple gb aren't critical, but I don't understand why warnings and studio splash screan are visible on the Stream tab, but not the extras which are bigger and longer.Those M2TS streams probably have one or more IGS streams in them. By default small files that contain IGS aren't reencoded. That's mainly because TSMUXER doesn't handle IGS streams. BD-RB has the ability to fool TSMUXER and make required changes itself to TSMUXER's output that are associated with IGS. You can make it do that by adding IGS_ENABLE=1 to your INI file. It adds time to the encode and some small risk, so it really isn't worth it unless there's significant space savings.

[jdobbs]

Can you play these Extras via your standalone HW player?
Sometimes Blu-ray discs contain 'orphaned Extras' which are not addressed in any of the playlists and may not even be Blu-ray specs compliant. One can only play these files via PC, or perhaps import them as individual files in BD-RB.Yeah. You sometimes (rarely) run into what I call "unreferenced streams". They're just there to take up space and aren't used by the BD. BD-RB simply ignores those. But in this report he says the files are extras that he knows play (at least that's my impression) -- so that wouldn't seem to be the case

[jdobbs]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the latest version of BD Rebuilder (v0.50.24). Changes for this release:- Added code to do a sanity check on font
size settings in quick-menu and prevent
text from overflowing it's display area.
- Updated import procedures so interlaced
sources are handled better.
- Added hidden option IMPORT_ORDER_BFF. It
allows you to tell BD-RB to default to
BFF field order when importing. Care
should be taken with this setting.
- Improved some of the resizing parameters
associated with importing and pseudo-BD.
- Added a parameter to autocropping that
prevents heights that are not a multiple
of four.
- Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.
- Corrected a set of resizing conditions in
which IMPORT_PAL_TO_FILM did not work.
- Corrected setting for IMPORT_VFR_SCAN so
that it defaults to off.
- Updated the included version of X264.EXE to
the latest release (r2833).
- Updated the included version of X264-64.EXE
to the latest release (r2833).
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.

[worknstiff]

@ jdobbs THANKS, THANKS, THANKS, :thanks: RE: Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.
Can't wait to try it out as soon as my 3D recode finishes.

[jdobbs]

@ jdobbs THANKS, THANKS, THANKS, :thanks: RE: Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.
Can't wait to try it out as soon as my 3D recode finishes.Let me know if you have any problems.

[MrVideo]

- Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.
Thanks, but I am curious... if all you do is import the DD+ audio, why do LAV filters or FFDSHOW need to be installed?

[MrVideo]

Those M2TS streams probably have one or more IGS streams in them.
What are IGS streams?

[jdobbs]

Thanks, but I am curious... if all you do is import the DD+ audio, why do LAV filters or FFDSHOW need to be installed?It is reencoded to AC3 so you need Directshow to decode. E-AC3 & DD+ are illegal in BD if they don't have a AC3 core included (if memory serves me correctly).

[jdobbs]

What are IGS streams?Interactive Graphics Stream. From the Bluray Disc Format White Paper 2.B:A BD-ROM Interactive graphics stream contains information required to provide a series of interactive
displays, which appear and disappear with frame accuracy, that are supplemental to an associated HDMV
presentation. It is envisaged that Interactive graphics streams will typically be used to provide both the
display and associated commands of graphical interactive displays during a HDMV presentation.It's format is similar to PGS (Presentation Graphics Streams), but with additional interactive capability.

[Lathe]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the latest version of BD Rebuilder (v0.50.24). Changes for this release:- Added code to do a sanity check on font
size settings in quick-menu and prevent
text from overflowing it's display area.

- Updated the included version of X264.EXE to
the latest release (r2833).
- Updated the included version of X264-64.EXE
to the latest release (r2833).


THANK YOU mightily JD for still taking the time to give attention and update things (despite the fact that you are doing it for a collection of miscreant deadbeat dirtbags...)

What does the 'sanity check' do...? (sounds like MOST members here could probably use that...) Does this have anything to do with changing the font size in the menu so we can use more characters? (not that this site needs any more 'characters'...)

Have you noticed any continued slow down with respect to using the newest X264.exe's?

[MrVideo]

It is reencoded to AC3 so you need Directshow to decode.
Ah, not good as I want the EAC3/DD+ to be passed through untouched. If I wanted it re-encoded, I'd do that myself. The less Dolby Digital recoding the better the audio quality.
E-AC3 & DD+ are illegal in BD if they don't have a AC3 core included (if memory serves me correctly).
Digging thru my Bluray Demystified book (going to the indexed pages about DD+) I found the following:

a) first a note about DD+ in the table for Blu-ray audio formats:
Dolby Digital Plus is only supported for more than 5.1 channels. The initial 5.1 channels
are encoded with the core Dolby Digital Substream - channel 7 and 8 (if available) are
encoded in Dolby Digital Plus.
b) In the body of the section:
Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) is an extension of the legacy Dolby Digital format and provides
two additional channels, up to 7.1 channels. DD+ is based on the core Dolby Digital stream
and only the additional two channels are encoded using the DD+ extension while the core
5.1 streams are still encoded with the legacy Dolby Digital Substream.
So, why is services like Netfix and Amazon doing DD+ audio, but only providing 5.1 channels? Good question. Amazon is rolling it out more. Plus, how are DD+ encoders, like ffmpeg, able to flag an AC3 file as EAC3 with only 5.1 channels? No idea. I'd have to ask the ffmpeg coders that.

But, I found the free Dolby technical paper: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-digital-plus-audio-coding-tech-paper.pdf

What is interesting with this paper is that the 5.1 core can only be a max of 640 kbps.

So, based upon what I have read, the DD+ stream can be passed along untouched. In the case of DD+ having 7.1 channels, it MUST be passed though untouched. But, in order to allow for recoding to AC3 5.1, adding a hidden flag (DDPlus_recode=1, where 1 is the default and changing it to 0 allows for pass-through, no matter what).

[MrVideo]

Interactive Graphics Stream.
Ah, OK.

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdobbs

"Interactive Graphics Stream."

Ah, OK.

WHAT...??!!!

Something that Mr. Video didn't know...??

That's just NOT possible!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/shocked.gif

[Lathe]

Oh... I think I have an answer about the x264 speed. I'm running an encode now with your new version and it is still using x264L.exe So, I guess you are still having to use the much older x264 version then, right? Is that losing out on anything that these newer and newer x264 updates would be using though?

[MrVideo]

WHAT...??!!!

Something that Mr. Video didn't know...??

That's just NOT possible!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/shocked.gif
Yep, it happens. I don't deal with them and I do not use that feature on BD releases. I watch the movie and the special features.

[MrVideo]

- Corrected setting for IMPORT_VFR_SCAN so
that it defaults to off.
Houston, we have a problem.

I'm working on a new project where the first disc has 6 HD files and 4 SD files. The SD files are from the DVD release and, in this case, are deleted scenes:
[22:57:50] Importing: JERICHO-S1-D1
- [22:58:23] Importing video file: (1 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:00:00] Importing video file: (2 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:01:40] Importing video file: (3 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:03:20] Importing video file: (4 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:04:49] Importing video file: (5 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:06:30] Importing video file: (6 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:08:12] Importing video file: (7 of 10)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [23:08:22] Importing video file: (8 of 10)
- Scanning for Variable Frame Rate...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting VFR source to CFR format...
[23:08:28]ERROR: Failed VFR conversion. Aborted.
File 7 is SD as is file 8. Since the log doesn't list the actual file name (hint), I do not know which one it is. But, there isn't supposed to be any VFR checking. I do not have that option in my INI file.

So, I started up version 20 and only imported the SD files and all four were imported without VFR checking. But, after the menu was created. In the stream tab, the 2nd audio stream has a big red X. It should the deleted video's commentary stream. Not only that, only one of the for SD streams is shown.

Needless to say, I am currently stuck.

UPDATE: I added the VFR option and set it to 1. Two of the SD files it VFR scanned and converted just fine, but when it got to the 3rd one, if failed. I set the VFR option to 0 and did the import again. The first two files it did not VFR scan, but the 3rd it did, even though I set VFR to 0.

UPDATE #2: There are two more issues with the SD files. I went thru the other discs of the project and only imported the SD files, to see if there were any more issues with VFR. Turns out, only one disc out of four as a SD file that BDRB wants to VFR. The first of the two issues is the red X'd audio stream. I want both audio streams in the output. The second of the issues is that not all SD files are being used. While all SD files are being scanned and placed into the Stream directory, not all files end up on the menu. One disc I tested only has two SD files, but only one of them is listed in the stream list. Both are less than a minute each. Both time options are set to 0. What needs to be done to include all audio streams and to use all imported files, no matter the length?

UPDATE #3: As a further test, I burned a couple of discs (erasable) to see what was going on with the text I've underlined in #2. All of the SD files are there, even though the stream list is showing files missing. Also, all of the SD files have both audio streams, even though there is a red X through the 2nd stream. I'm confused. Is what I'm seeing in the stream list what the results would be if I were to do the Backup portion next? If that is the case, then the only issue is the SD file that BDRB is trying to VFR. But, why would BDRB not include some SD files, even though the time is set to 0? IIRC, in an earlier posting, a user is having such an issue.

[varekai]

Thanks jdobbs for the new version! Much appreciated!
In Tools folder, I'm still a bit confused on which x264 version I should use?
Are there still issues with slower encoding speed with newer version of x264 (2833)?
I'm thinking if the newer version (2833) do a better encoding job, qualitywise, I can live with slower encoding speed.
I'm using Win7 x64.

Thanks and best regards

[Sharc]

Source: Imported file from an external USB drive.

Adding a Quick menu:
- The Quick-Play Menu Titel Editor works as expected, and gets correctly saved as titles.inf in the \Backup\Playlist
- In the Imports/Quick-Play setting dialog I can browse for a Menu Background picture and a Menu Background Audio, but the path to the audio is not getting updated in the dialog which always shows C:\Program files. Both paths are however correctly saved in the .ini.

In the final rebuilt BD structure however, the Quick menu is missing, although the log indicates
[00:51:21]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [00:51:21] Rebuilding BD file Structure
- [00:51:21] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
[00:51:22] - Encode and Rebuild complete
Inspecting the various folders it seems that the video for the menu background was never created out of the 1920x1080 .bmp picture. :confused:

[MrVideo]

Adding a Quick menu:
- The Quick-Play Menu Titel Editor works as expected, and gets correctly saved as titles.inf in the \Backup\Playlist
- In the Imports/Quick-Play setting dialog I can browse for a Menu Background picture and a Menu Background Audio, but the path to the audio is not getting updated in the dialog which always shows C:\Program files. Both paths are however correctly saved in the .ini.
I didn't even try adding audio with the new version. As for the C:\Program Files display, it is a result of M$ breaking the long line up between "Files" and "(x86)". The remainder on the long path is there, but it is on a 2nd line which is not being displayed. If you go back thru the posts, you'll find where jdobbs and I discussed this very issue. If he were to allow the user to change the size of the GUI, if you widened the GUI, the text would show up. But it doesn't solve the issue of it not displaying your new path.
In the final rebuilt BD structure however, the Quick menu is missing, although the log indicates
[00:51:21]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [00:51:21] Rebuilding BD file Structure
- [00:51:21] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
[00:51:22] - Encode and Rebuild complete
Inspecting the various folders it seems that the video for the menu background was never created out of the 1920x1080 .bmp picture. :confused:
Correct. The log does not show the menu being encoded, which means that it is not using the user supplied image. IIRC, only JPG images work. I had tried a BMP image in the past and it didn't work. So, I had to use JPG instead (set for maximum quality).

[Sharc]

Correct. The log does not show the menu being encoded, which means that it is not using the user supplied image. IIRC, only JPG images work. I had tried a BMP image in the past and it didn't work. So, I had to use JPG instead (set for maximum quality).
I converted the picture to .jpg (1920x1080, YUV 4:2:0, 8bit), but no avail. Then I moved it from the pictures folder to BD-RB's Misc folder. No avail. Then removed a blank in the file name. No avail.
I am running out of ideas ...

[Lathe]

I converted the picture to .jpg (1920x1080, YUV 4:2:0, 8bit), but no avail. Then I moved it from the pictures folder to BD-RB's Misc folder. No avail. Then removed a blank in the file name. No avail.
I am running out of ideas ...

... looks like you're running out of 'avails' too...

[MrVideo]

I converted the picture to .jpg (1920x1080, YUV 4:2:0, 8bit), but no avail. Then I moved it from the pictures folder to BD-RB's Misc folder. No avail. Then removed a blank in the file name. No avail.
I just use regular old JPEGs, as created by PhotoShop. Where they are placed makes no difference. But, I normally place them in the same directory in which the MKV files are placed. BTW, I'm running XP-64. Not that it should make a difference.

If you go back several posts, you will find one from me regarding grid templates that I've created. Download one of those and see if that works.

[Lathe]

Thanks jdobbs for the new version! Much appreciated!
In Tools folder, I'm still a bit confused on which x264 version I should use?
Are there still issues with slower encoding speed with newer version of x264 (2833)?
I'm thinking if the newer version (2833) do a better encoding job, qualitywise, I can live with slower encoding speed.
I'm using Win7 x64.

Thanks and best regards

Yes, is there any update on this please?

[Video Dude]

Yes, is there any update on this please?
I went back in this thread and found this post.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1789021#post1789021

[Lathe]

I went back in this thread and found this post.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1789021#post1789021

Thanks mate! I remember reading that; I was just wondering since JD seemed to be continuing to use the x254L.exe in the new builds, if there was any current update on this issue.

[MrVideo]

Oh crap! I just got another SD video that BDRB wants to VFR. :mad:

It is a complete episode that I just added to the list and now BDRB doesn't like it either.

UPDATE: Version 20 created disc 1 and 5 without any issues.

[MrVideo]

@Sharc:

Just a thought. How about using a previous version that you have installed and see what happens, i.e. will it import the image?

[varekai]

I went back in this thread and found this post.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1789021#post1789021

That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?

[Sharc]

@Sharc:

Just a thought. How about using a previous version that you have installed and see what happens, i.e. will it import the image?
I tried with BDRB.exe v0.50.23 using a background picture which worked before, but same problem. The encoding of the background is just skipped.
And a new surprise: The .LOG gets no longer updated on the HD, and after I deleted it no new .log file was created. I see the log in the GUI tab only. The .INF file is however written to the HD as expected. Weird.
Maybe I have to wait for the next W10 update .....

[MrVideo]

Maybe I have to wait for the next W10 update .....
Oh, therein lies your problem... Win10. :D I'm running BDRB under XP-64. I just recently brought up a Win7 box.

[MrVideo]

Houston, we have another problem:
[06:17:11] Importing: 1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK
- [06:17:20] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
[06:22:08]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
I wanted to see if the Blu-ray player would play the video when authored, so I tried to import it. I have no idea what went wrong because the log does not supply details. It would be nice if the log listed what the source issue was and why it failed to build the BD structure.

The video has DD+. The file name has "DD+5.1", not "DD_5.1".

[varekai]

Houston, we have another problem:
[06:17:11] Importing: 1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK
- [06:17:20] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
[06:22:08]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
I wanted to see if the Blu-ray player would play the video when authored, so I tried to import it. I have no idea what went wrong because the log does not supply details. It would be nice if the log listed what the source issue was and why it failed to build the BD structure.

The video has DD+. The file name has "DD+5.1", not "DD_5.1".
Me thinks that 1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK is a big no-no...

[MrVideo]

Not really. I have the DVDs, but since they have not released the episodes in 1080p, I went to get the files.

[Sharc]

Oh, therein lies your problem... Win10. :D I'm running BDRB under XP-64. I just recently brought up a Win7 box.
Nope, it's not a Win10 issue.
As I had only 1 item (the movie) I had to put in the .ini:
MENU_FORCE_QUICK=1
in order to have the menu created for 1 item only.
Problem solved :)

[MrVideo]

Oh right. Forgot about that, as I set that ages ago. I just also like picking on Win10. :D

[DoctorM]

Those M2TS streams probably have one or more IGS streams in them. By default small files that contain IGS aren't reencoded. That's mainly because TSMUXER doesn't handle IGS streams. BD-RB has the ability to fool TSMUXER and make required changes itself to TSMUXER's output that are associated with IGS. You can make it do that by adding IGS_ENABLE=1 to your INI file. It adds time to the encode and some small risk, so it really isn't worth it unless there's significant space savings.

Just to see what would happen I tried IGS_ENABLE=1 and that didn't bring up the extras.
Yes, there are playlists for these extras and they are accessible from the menu during playback.

Tested another recent WAC disc and found the same issue of the bonus feature not appearing on the streams list.
Curious.

[MrVideo]

Tested another recent WAC disc and found the same issue of the bonus feature not appearing on the streams list.
Curious.
If you look back a few postings you will see that what has happened to you, happened to me, sortof. There were short videos that did not make the streams list. But, they were imported and placed into the BDMV structure. Of the ones that did make it and had two audio streams, the 2nd stream was flagged with a red X (which is a commentary track).

I did not do the Backup portion and just burned the BDMV structure as is, because nothing needed recoding and what was there was going to fit as I was making discs from MKV files.

That said, I'm guessing that if I would have clicked on Backup, those videos missing from the stream list would have been missing from the final result as well as the 2nd audio stream being stripped.

So, this isn't just happening to you, it could have happened to me as well.

[varekai]

Not really. I have the DVDs, but since they have not released the episodes in 1080p, I went to get the files.
I'm afraid you're wrong, this is a BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only forum.
Illegal downloaded material such as the one you mentioned (1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK) is a no-no, period!
You can't really expect to get any assistance on this as it's illegal and preprocessed material, now can you?

[Lathe]

That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?

Yes, this ^

[Lathe]

I'm afraid you're wrong, this is a BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only forum.
Illegal downloaded material such as the one you mentioned (1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK) is a no-no, period!
You can't really expect to get any assistance on this as it's illegal and preprocessed material, now can you?

Oops... Looks like somebody forgot to change the file name... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[varekai]

Yes, this ^
What?

[varekai]

Oops... Looks like somebody forgot to change the file name... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif
Yep, MrVideo into something shady...

[MrVideo]

Yep, MrVideo into something shady...
Not exactly shady. ABC Studios, in their stupid wisdom, has only released DVDs of this series, which I have. But I want better, i.e., 1080p. If they would have released Blu-rays, I would have them instead. It isn't as if this series wasn't popular. ABC Studios is the worst studio for releasing Blu-ray product.

Frankly, it was the last time I bought DVDs from ABC Studios. No Blu-ray release, no purchase.

Still doesn't diminish the point that there is an issue handling DD+. There should be zero manipulation of the audio stream. What comes in, should go out. It isn't as if BDRB users are creating these Blu-rays to sell them. They are for personal use. If it doesn't work, then that is the reason that there should be a DD+ ini option for passthru or recode. My Blu-ray player doesn't deal with the audio streams. It just passes them out to the amp via the HDMI connection, as configured.

[MrVideo]

Based upon conversations in a couple of other threads, eac3to being one of them, this particular DD+ stream is not Blu-ray compliant, as it doesn't have a legacy AC3 core. The paper that I quoted above appears to have been written with only Blu-ray EAC3 being described. Streaming services are using the variant of EAC3 where all of the data is in the substream packets, with 0 data in the legacy AC3 packets.

There are zero programs out there that can convert the EAC3 substreams into AC3 legacy streams.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I noticed that v0.50.24 does now import lossless 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 material from common codecs like Huffyuv, Lagarith, UTVideo correctly (interlaced field parity according your proposed strategy (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1795246&postcount=25594)). Very nice, thank you!
A minor issue: 576i sources are shown as 480i in the Stream Tab of the GUI. They are however correctly converted to mpeg4 576i by the import process and then encoded as 720x576 (with borders) with --sar 10:11, which should be --sar 12:11 for 720x576 4:3, I think.

[DoctorM]

If you look back a few postings you will see that what has happened to you, happened to me, sortof. There were short videos that did not make the streams list. But, they were imported and placed into the BDMV structure. Of the ones that did make it and had two audio streams, the 2nd stream was flagged with a red X (which is a commentary track).

I did not do the Backup portion and just burned the BDMV structure as is, because nothing needed recoding and what was there was going to fit as I was making discs from MKV files.

That said, I'm guessing that if I would have clicked on Backup, those videos missing from the stream list would have been missing from the final result as well as the 2nd audio stream being stripped.

So, this isn't just happening to you, it could have happened to me as well.

I'm not sure what you mean about them being placed in the BDMV structure, but the final disc did have those extras, they were just copied untouched.

(They would probably be VID_00001, VID_00002 and VID_00003.)

[06/29/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[16:58:48] Source: JOE.VERSUS.THE.VOLCANO
- Input BD size: 32.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:58:30.203]
- Target BD size: 23.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
- Output folder: C:\Users\Dr. M\Desktop\
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[16:58:50] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:58:50] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 6)
- [16:58:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:06:30] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 146,904 frames
- Bitrate: 26,487 Kbs
- [17:06:30] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [17:52:23] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [22:46:50] Video Encode complete
- [22:46:50] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [22:46:50] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:55:43] Processing: VID_00004 (2 of 6)
- [22:55:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [22:55:49] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
- [22:55:49] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [22:55:49] Processing audio tracks
- [22:55:49] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:55:52] Processing: VID_00005 (3 of 6)
- [22:55:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
- [22:56:18] Reencoding video [VID_00005]
- [22:56:18] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [22:56:18] Processing audio tracks
- [22:56:18] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:56:32] Blanking: VID_00006 (4 of 6)
- [22:56:32] Blanking: VID_00007 (5 of 6)
- [22:56:32] Processing: VID_00008 (6 of 6)
- [22:56:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00008]
- [22:56:37] Reencoding video [VID_00008]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 264 frames
- Bitrate: 6,621 Kbs
- [22:56:37] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 1 of 2
- [22:56:47] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 2 of 2
- [22:57:02] Video Encode complete
- [22:57:02] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [22:57:02] Multiplexing M2TS
[22:57:06]PHASE ONE complete
[22:57:06]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [22:57:06] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[23:00:59] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[23:00:59] JOB: JOE.VERSUS.THE.VOLCANO finished.

[MrVideo]

I'm not sure what you mean about them being placed in the BDMV structure, but the final disc did have those extras, they were just copied untouched.
After the files are imported, before you click on the Backup button, in the BDRB Working directory, there is an IMPORTS directory. In there you will find your project directory. That contains the Blu-ray structure, consisting of the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories. I burn that to media.
(They would probably be VID_00001, VID_00002 and VID_00003.)
Not in this particular case. The first 6 imported files are the 1080p videos. The files after those are the SD files, some of which show up in the stream list, but all show up in the final result.

I misunderstood, in that I thought if they were missing from the streams list, they would be missing after the Backup stage was completed. All of the files are untouched in the IMPORTS location.

So, ya, it is strange that they are missing from the streams list, yet in both our cases, they are actually there.

[Lathe]

What?

Uh... (cough...) It's like kind of quoted within the post above mate... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by varekai

"That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?"

That's one reason why I always read the new comments on the board and not just in my e'mail notification :)

[Lathe]

Based upon conversations in a couple of other threads, eac3to being one of them, this particular DD+ stream is not Blu-ray compliant, as it doesn't have a legacy AC3 core. The paper that I quoted above appears to have been written with only Blu-ray EAC3 being described. Streaming services are using the variant of EAC3 where all of the data is in the substream packets, with 0 data in the legacy AC3 packets.

There are zero programs out there that can convert the EAC3 substreams into AC3 legacy streams.

I'm probably misunderstanding what you are saying, so if so, please excuse me... But, UsEac3to takes an Eac3 stream and converts it to whatever you want. Oddly, for me anyway, it won't do it from the total MKV stream like it normally does; it throws an error. BUT... if you use MKV Extract first, and extract the Eac3 stream separately and THEN drop it in UsEac3to, then it converts it.

I'm always doing this because some of my, uh, (cough...) 'found' MKVs have Eac3 tracks. So, I always extract them, drop them into UsEac3to and double the bit rate and convert to Ac3.

[Lathe]

Not exactly shady. ABC Studios, in their stupid wisdom, has only released DVDs of this series, which I have. But I want better, i.e., 1080p. If they would have released Blu-rays, I would have them instead. It isn't as if this series wasn't popular. ABC Studios is the worst studio for releasing Blu-ray product.

Frankly, it was the last time I bought DVDs from ABC Studios. No Blu-ray release, no purchase.

Still doesn't diminish the point that there is an issue handling DD+. There should be zero manipulation of the audio stream. What comes in, should go out. It isn't as if BDRB users are creating these Blu-rays to sell them. They are for personal use. If it doesn't work, then that is the reason that there should be a DD+ ini option for passthru or recode. My Blu-ray player doesn't deal with the audio streams. It just passes them out to the amp via the HDMI connection, as configured.

Nice, smooth re-direct, BTW... :D

[varekai]

Uh... (cough...) It's like kind of quoted within the post above mate... :rolleyes:

:confused:

[MrVideo]

I'm probably misunderstanding what you are saying, so if so, please excuse me... But, UsEac3to takes an Eac3 stream and converts it to whatever you want. Oddly, for me anyway, it won't do it from the total MKV stream like it normally does; it throws an error. BUT... if you use MKV Extract first, and extract the Eac3 stream separately and THEN drop it in UsEac3to, then it converts it.
Start reading this thread, starting from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1811178#post1811178
The eac3to program can't deal with the eac3 stream when it is within a MKV file. Once I extracted the EAC3 stream from the MKV file, eac3to had no problem converting it to AC3. Therein lies the problem, it recoded the audio, something I am trying to avoid, as each recode of AC3 adds errors/artifacts to the recoded AC3 stream.

As pointed out in the thread, there is no program out there that can extract the AC3 packets from the EAC3 stream, untouched. The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid.

Please read through the thread. Lots of useful info.

So, while the DD+ streams we are finding are not Blu-ray compliant, they should still be able to be placed onto a Blu-ray and be playable, since it is the amp that is doing the playing of the audio.
I'm always doing this because some of my, uh, (cough...) 'found' MKVs have Eac3 tracks. So, I always extract them, drop them into UsEac3to and double the bit rate and convert to Ac3.
Why convert them? Why not just leave them as EAC3 streams?

[worknstiff]

@ MrVideo; RE: The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid. Why convert them? Why not just leave them as EAC3 streams?

I second that emotion. I just returned home and was trying out the latest, greatest version of BD Rebuilder. I have been having a few hick-ups when using it to recode some MKV's. I have found that in a few cases it is not recognizing that the E-AC3 is actually 5.1 and lists it as stereo when it imports the audio. I wonder how that can even happen? I think if at all possible I would like for it not to re-coded either, especially if you are not outputting into a blue ray format.

PS: thanks for the latest version jdobbs!

[Lathe]

:confused:

Oooookay then... apparently it's time to take Vareki on a little trip out to the woods...


http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Beating a dead horse3.gif

[Lathe]

Start reading this thread, starting from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1811178#post1811178
The eac3to program can't deal with the eac3 stream when it is within a MKV file. Once I extracted the EAC3 stream from the MKV file, eac3to had no problem converting it to AC3. Therein lies the problem, it recoded the audio, something I am trying to avoid, as each recode of AC3 adds errors/artifacts to the recoded AC3 stream.

As pointed out in the thread, there is no program out there that can extract the AC3 packets from the EAC3 stream, untouched. The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid.


Oh, I see... You mean that the AC3 is somehow 'within' the Eac3 file and you want to extract it untouched. I didn't understand that; I also didn't know that that was the way an Eac3 file was constructed.

[MrVideo]

Oh, I see... You mean that the AC3 is somehow 'within' the Eac3 file and you want to extract it untouched. I didn't understand that; I also didn't know that that was the way an Eac3 file was constructed.
EAC3 has an AC3 core packet stream, in which to make it compatible with devices that do not understand EAC3. It also allows for S/PDIF connections between the Blu-ray and amp, where the Blu-ray hardware can extract the core packet stream to send out the S/PDIF connection. That is done in hardware. The core can be extracted by software.

But, the EAC3 files we are running into have all of the 5.1 data placed into the EAC3 subsystem packets, allowing for a high bitrate. But, the main EAC3 packets are left empty. There is no software available, at this time, that can take the EAC3 subsystem packets and convert then to AC3 packets. Since AC3 is 640kbps, or lower, if the EAC3 data was at a bitrate higher than 640kbps, then it have to be recoded to be AC3 compliant.

Frankly, I do not know how anyone can stream from Amazon, or Netflix, and play DD+ audio over a S/PDIF connection.

While I do not blame jdobbs for wanting the DD+ to be Blu-ray compliant, in this case, an option that allows the user to recode DD+, or not, would allow the user to decide. For those of us with HDMI connections to their amps, it is a moot point if the amp was designed with DD+ in mind, as well as Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio.

[varekai]

Oooookay then... apparently it's time to take Vareki on a little trip out to the woods...
:eek:

[Lathe]

:eek:

Good! That is precisely the look I was hoping for... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[Lathe]

EAC3 has an AC3 core packet stream, in which to make it compatible with devices that do not understand EAC3. It also allows for S/PDIF connections between the Blu-ray and amp, where the Blu-ray hardware can extract the core packet stream to send out the S/PDIF connection. That is done in hardware. The core can be extracted by software.

But, the EAC3 files we are running into have all of the 5.1 data placed into the EAC3 subsystem packets, allowing for a high bitrate. But, the main EAC3 packets are left empty. There is no software available, at this time, that can take the EAC3 subsystem packets and convert then to AC3 packets. Since AC3 is 640kbps, or lower, if the EAC3 data was at a bitrate higher than 640kbps, then it have to be recoded to be AC3 compliant.



That is interesting; I sure didn't know that. Is that any way similar how TrueHD has an AC3 core? I know that UsEac3to will convert a TrueHD track that has been muxed in an MKV file, thus with the core removed, by selecting the TrueHD+AC3 output where in this case it DOES put the AC3 core back into the TrueHD stream, therefore making TSMuxer able to remux it back into a BDMV folder properly.

[gonca]

@Lathe
Oooookay then... apparently it's time to take Vareki on a little trip out to the woods...

Take your meds again
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/16fe/zcvai0c2b05s8qs4g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/zcvai0c2b05s8qs/Cat-on-drugs_o_131791.jpg)

[Lathe]

@Lathe


Take your meds again
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/16fe/zcvai0c2b05s8qs4g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/zcvai0c2b05s8qs/Cat-on-drugs_o_131791.jpg)

Now, listen, that night I had a few drinks...

[MrVideo]

That is interesting; I sure didn't know that. Is that any way similar how TrueHD has an AC3 core? I know that UsEac3to will convert a TrueHD track that has been muxed in an MKV file, thus with the core removed, by selecting the TrueHD+AC3 output where in this case it DOES put the AC3 core back into the TrueHD stream, therefore making TSMuxer able to remux it back into a BDMV folder properly.
I didn't know all this until recently either. It took postings by those who know over in the EAC3TO thread to get me up-to-speed.

I've not dug into TrueHD, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing doesn't hold true there as well. As far a BDRB is concerned, in order to be Blu-ray compliant, both TrueHD and DTS-MA would have to have their cores so that the core can be sent out the S/PDIF port.

To tell the truth, any MKV file that I have seen that has TrueHD, or DTS-MA, I don't know if the core was there, or not. I do my viewing via HDMI.

I just did a test with the file that has EAC3, no core, and a file that has AC3. I played both on my computer that has a S/PDIF fiber cable to the amp, via VLC. The EAC3 file showed up as "All Channel Stereo." So, VLC converted it to a PCM format. The true AC3 video played and appeared on the amp as "Dolby Digital."

[Lathe]

I didn't know all this until recently either. It took postings by those who know over in the EAC3TO thread to get me up-to-speed.

I've not dug into TrueHD, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing doesn't hold true there as well. As far a BDRB is concerned, in order to be Blu-ray compliant, both TrueHD and DTS-MA would have to have their cores so that the core can be sent out the S/PDIF port.

To tell the truth, any MKV file that I have seen that has TrueHD, or DTS-MA, I don't know if the core was there, or not. I do my viewing via HDMI.

I just did a test with the file that has EAC3, no core, and a file that has AC3. I played both on my computer that has a S/PDIF fiber cable to the amp, via VLC. The EAC3 file showed up as "All Channel Stereo." So, VLC converted it to a PCM format. The true AC3 video played and appeared on the amp as "Dolby Digital."

Yeah, pretty much all of the MKV files that have DTS-MA DO have the DTS core in them and they always play. However ALL of the MKV files that have a TrueHD track ALWAYS have the AC3 core stripped out. Thus the need to have UsEac3to put it back in. That is, to make it BD compliant and for my OPPO to see it and play it properly.

[gonca]

Yeah, pretty much all of the MKV files that have DTS-MA DO have the DTS core in them and they always play. However ALL of the MKV files that have a TrueHD track ALWAYS have the AC3 core stripped out. Thus the need to have UsEac3to put it back in. That is, to make it BD compliant and for my OPPO to see it and play it properly.

MKVMerge can't mux a TrueHD track as is
It has to seperate it into its components, one HD track and one core track

[Lathe]

MKVMerge can't mux a TrueHD track as is
It has to seperate it into its components, one HD track and one core track

Ah... Didn't know why...

[gonca]

Load any mpls with TrueHD into MKVMerge and look at the track listings. There will be one extra track listed, it separates the HD from the core

[MrVideo]

That is, to make it BD compliant and for my OPPO to see it and play it properly.
Interesting. Don't you have the Oppo set to just pass the selected audio stream to your amp?

[Lathe]

Load any mpls with TrueHD into MKVMerge and look at the track listings. There will be one extra track listed, it separates the HD from the core

Yeah, now that you mention it, I think that I have seen that...

[Lathe]

Interesting. Don't you have the Oppo set to just pass the selected audio stream to your amp?

I can't remember the exact setting. Yes, ALL audio goes to my amp. I have an older amp, so I can't remember exactly how that is set. I think it does have one digital input, but I can't remember how the OPPO is set. I know there are different ways you can do it, but I don't remember how I have it set. I'll hafta look at the setup menu to remind me.

Like I've mentioned a few months ago, my OPPO SEES the Dolby+ track and when I tried to play I think it was an MKV file with an Eac3 audio track on it, that was the first time I saw that on the OPPO's screen. BUT... I couldn't hear it. So, it likely has something to do with what you are saying as to how it is set up with the amp.

I know there are different ways you can tell the OPPO how to process the HD audio signal. Something like passing through the actual digital signal or running it through the DAC's, something like that...

[MrVideo]

I can't remember the exact setting. Yes, ALL audio goes to my amp. I have an older amp, so I can't remember exactly how that is set. I think it does have one digital input, but I can't remember how the OPPO is set. I know there are different ways you can do it, but I don't remember how I have it set. I'll hafta look at the setup menu to remind me.
OK, then by the sounds of it, you do not have an HDMI connection, but either a S/PDIF or coax cable.
Like I've mentioned a few months ago, my OPPO SEES the Dolby+ track and when I tried to play I think it was an MKV file with an Eac3 audio track on it, that was the first time I saw that on the OPPO's screen. BUT... I couldn't hear it. So, it likely has something to do with what you are saying as to how it is set up with the amp.
Yep, the Oppo has to send the core down the S/PDIF/coax to the amp as that digital connection will only handle the core bitrates. The EAC3 in the MKV had no core, so the Oppo could do nothing with the audio.
I know there are different ways you can tell the OPPO how to process the HD audio signal. Something like passing through the actual digital signal or running it through the DAC's, something like that...
Passthru should only work with a HDMI connection. So, for you and BDRB, if you make a Blu-ray disc, any HD audio (EAC3, or better) will require the core so that your Oppo can get the audio to the amp.

Otherwise, you need a new amp. :D

[Lathe]

OK, then by the sounds of it, you do not have an HDMI connection, but either a S/PDIF or coax cable.

Yep, the Oppo has to send the core down the S/PDIF/coax to the amp as that digital connection will only handle the core bitrates. The EAC3 in the MKV had no core, so the Oppo could do nothing with the audio.

Passthru should only work with a HDMI connection. So, for you and BDRB, if you make a Blu-ray disc, any HD audio (EAC3, or better) will require the core so that your Oppo can get the audio to the amp.

Otherwise, you need a new amp. :D

Oh yeah, now I see why I couldn't hear anything. Thanks for explaining that. It's a very good, but pretty old amp. So, other than that one kind of funny looking square digital input, everything else is through analog outs I think. 6 separate sets of short cables for the 5.1 and one older Randall Audiophile interconnect from the CD out when I use headphones at night.

[jdobbs]

Why convert themBecause it isn't compliant

[jdobbs]

EAC3 has an AC3 core packet stream, in which to make it compatible with devices that do not understand EAC3. It also allows for S/PDIF connections between the Blu-ray and amp, where the Blu-ray hardware can extract the core packet stream to send out the S/PDIF connection. That is done in hardware. The core can be extracted by software.

But, the EAC3 files we are running into have all of the 5.1 data placed into the EAC3 subsystem packets, allowing for a high bitrate. But, the main EAC3 packets are left empty. There is no software available, at this time, that can take the EAC3 subsystem packets and convert then to AC3 packets. Since AC3 is 640kbps, or lower, if the EAC3 data was at a bitrate higher than 640kbps, then it have to be recoded to be AC3 compliant.

Frankly, I do not know how anyone can stream from Amazon, or Netflix, and play DD+ audio over a S/PDIF connection.

While I do not blame jdobbs for wanting the DD+ to be Blu-ray compliant, in this case, an option that allows the user to recode DD+, or not, would allow the user to decide. For those of us with HDMI connections to their amps, it is a moot point if the amp was designed with DD+ in mind, as well as Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio.Sorry... but allowing a non-compliant stream into a BD that BD-RB creates is just asking for trouble. I'm not going there.

[jdobbs]

@MrVideo

I looked at the issue you reported about BD-RB performing a VFR reencode on non-VFR sources. If you have IMPORT_VFR_SCAN turned off (set to 0) -- the only way a scan will be performed is if MEDIAINFO reports the source's framerate as "Variable".

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I reported a possible bug here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173). Could you already have a look whether this should be changed?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
I reported a possible bug here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173). Could you already have a look whether this should be changed?Can you send me a short clip that demonstrates the issue?

[Sharc]

Can you send me a short clip that demonstrates the issue?
Here a short 720x576i clip:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6e2f8fyoo0q2syy/ULY2.zip

[worknstiff]

@ jdobbs; RE: Because it isn't compliant.

I just meant that in my case I was only re-sizing a 1080p MKV to a 720p MKV. The MKV was NEVER going to be used for a blue ray compilation It would be nice if the E-AC3 was just put aside untouched untill the 720p was created and then put back.

PS: The latest BD Rebuilder works great except for a few instances where the audio is detected after import as stereo for some reason. I just use eac3toGUI to covert it to AC3 and then run the MKV through BD Rebuilder for re-sizing.

[jdobbs]

Here a short 720x576i clip:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6e2f8fyoo0q2syy/ULY2.zipGot it. Thanks.

[MrVideo]

Sorry... but allowing a non-compliant stream into a BD that BD-RB creates is just asking for trouble. I'm not going there.
That is very unfortunate. That now means I have to recode the audio and AC3 is not meant to be recoded. :(

[MrVideo]

@MrVideo

I looked at the issue you reported about BD-RB performing a VFR reencode on non-VFR sources. If you have IMPORT_VFR_SCAN turned off (set to 0) -- the only way a scan will be performed is if MEDIAINFO reports the source's framerate as "Variable".
Why doesn't no mean no?

I looked at the SD files with mediainfo and two of the four (on this particular disc) are indeed VFR. No idea why they encoded them that way, when a vast majority of the SD files are constant.

But, why did the process fail? And, why do they need to be changed to constant? If VFR is good enough for DVD, why isn't it good enough for BD? They played just fine on my Samsung player.

I had to use v20 in order to build a couple of discs.

[Lathe]

That is very unfortunate. That now means I have to recode the audio and AC3 is not meant to be recoded. :(

I don't know if this helps, but if you are concerned about 're-encoding' the track, couldn't you just convert it to some playable lossless format and mux that back in? That way wouldn't you retain the full quality of the original file?

[MrVideo]

I don't know if this helps, but if you are concerned about 're-encoding' the track, couldn't you just convert it to some playable lossless format and mux that back in? That way wouldn't you retain the full quality of the original file?
The only lossless format that BD allows is LPCM*. Right at this moment, I do not know of a lossless LPCM encoder (unless ffmpeg will do it).

*-Obviously there is Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but those encoders are not free.

UPDATE: ffmpeg does indeed have a PCM audio option for doing Blu-ray PCM. But, as pointed out in the forum threads, LPCM is a bandwidth hog, leaving less room for video. That means less episodes per disc.

[Lathe]

The only lossless format that BD allows is LPCM*. Right at this moment, I do not know of a lossless LPCM encoder (unless ffmpeg will do it).

*-Obviously there is Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but those encoders are not free.

UPDATE: ffmpeg does indeed have a PCM audio option for doing Blu-ray PCM. But, as pointed out in the forum threads, LPCM is a bandwidth hog, leaving less room for video. That means less episodes per disc.

UsEac3to does it. But yeah, if you are doing television episodes the size that it takes on the disc would kind of add up. I was thinking that you were just doing the odd film here and there. But, a bunch of episodes, well, you would have to use more discs and have fewer episodes per disc maybe. That's what I would do...

[MrVideo]

Either eac3to, or ffmpeg, will do the trick. UsEac3to is a GUI. CLI quicker for me. Keep in mind that I have cygwin installed, so doing command line stuff with my Zshell scripts, for me, is a lot faster.

I do not want to use any more than six discs per season, so that they will fit into the Blu-ray cases. I print my own artwork as well.

[Lathe]

Either eac3to, or ffmpeg, will do the trick. UsEac3to is a GUI. CLI quicker for me. Keep in mind that I have cygwin installed, so doing command line stuff with my Zshell scripts, for me, is a lot faster.

I do not want to use any more than six discs per season, so that they will fit into the Blu-ray cases. I print my own artwork as well.

Sounds like a good plan; I've also done a lot of myself :)

I'm trying to remember, I THINK I ordered just a few 7 or 8 disc cases special for when I was making up my own STAR TREK: TNG set. I think I did order a box of 6 disc cases which I would use more often, but for a couple of seasons where I wanted more of the episodes, I think I special ordered like 2 or 3 of the 7 or 8 disc cases.

Here is just one disc and cover where I arranged the artwork out of several hundred (at least) that I've done...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/trektngcover.jpg

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/trektngdisc.jpg

[Sharc]

That is very unfortunate....(
Nope. It's a Godsend that BD-RB prevents users to include Blu-ray non-compliant stuff in a Blu-ray authored structure.

[MrVideo]

Nope. It's a Godsend that BD-RB prevents users to include Blu-ray non-compliant stuff in a Blu-ray authored structure.
The kinda problem is that the being compliant is for the average joe/jane. For those of us in forums like this, we usually know what our tech can, or cannot do. And if not, questions can be asked. Or one experiments.

Supplying a "I know this isn't compliant option" for those of us who know it will work is not really a bad thing. If making it disc non-compliant doesn't work for you, then leave the option at the default off setting (compliant).

But, it isn't my program.

That only leaves the VFR issue.

[MrVideo]

Here is just one disc and cover where I arranged the artwork out of several hundred (at least) that I've done...
You can download scanned/custom covers, and disc artwork, for free, or very cheap. If you would like to know where, PM me.

[jdobbs]

The kinda problem is that the being compliant is for the average joe/jane. Sure... that's fine when you're not the one who has to respond to 500 "BD-RB's output doesn't work" and "it creates non-compliant output" on forums all over the world. How about I write my software, and you write yours.

It doesn't, however, have to be compliant in the pseudo-bd folder. So I'll see what I can do to keep it intact when the output is to MKV or MP4 and save the reencoding step until a BD is being reencoded. That assumes that TSMUXER doesn't reject it, though (which it may very well do, I'll have to test it).

[MrVideo]

Sure... that's fine when you're not the one who has to respond to 500 "BD-RB's output doesn't work" and "it creates non-compliant output" on forums all over the world.
Which is why the default is to be compliant. The user has to force non-compliance via the fully explained hidden option.
How about I write my software, and you write yours.
I did write in the same posting that it is not my program.
It doesn't, however, have to be compliant in the pseudo-bd folder. So I'll see what I can do to keep it intact when the output is to MKV or MP4 and save the reencoding step until a BD is being reencoded. That assumes that TSMUXER doesn't reject it, though (which it may very well do, I'll have to test it).
I do not output to MKV/MP4. The Pseudo directory is always empty. I burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories, which I burn right after the menus are created and before never running the Backup (I do not click on the Backup button).

TsMuxer likes the EAC3 audio stream just fine. It declares it to be no core, 0 kbps and 0 channels. But, mediainfo still shows the resultant M2TS file to have 6 channels of EAC3 audio.

[jdobbs]

Which is why the default is to be compliant. The user has to force non-compliance via the fully explained hidden option. You've obviously never worked in software development. It's never the user's fault -- especially when they are dragging your software through the dirt.

But I forgot... you are never wrong.
TsMuxer likes the EAC3 audio stream just fine. It declares it to be no core, 0 kbps and 0 channels. But, mediainfo still shows the resultant M2TS file to have 6 channels of EAC3 audio.Have you tried playing it? I seem to remember that nothing is there, but it's been a while.

[MrVideo]

You've obviously never worked in software development. It's never the user's fault -- especially when they are dragging your software through the dirt.
20+ years. Unix. I was the build engineer of the software and the person who wrote the installation scripts. I dealt with many a customer on the phone over the years. But, my dealings had to do with the installation. When it came to the actual day-to-day dealings with the operation of the software, that was handled by the customer support staff.
Have you tried playing it? I seem to remember that nothing is there, but it's been a while.
With VLC, which converts the DD+ into PCM to send over the S/PDIF connection. As indicated in a posting from another user, a Blu-ray S/PDIF connection to an amp will result in there being silence, as there is no core.

[Sharc]

Which is why the default is to be compliant. The user has to force non-compliance via the fully explained hidden option.

I did write in the same posting that it is not my program.

I do not output to MKV/MP4. The Pseudo directory is always empty. I burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories, which I burn right after the menus are created and before never running the Backup (I do not click on the Backup button).

TsMuxer likes the EAC3 audio stream just fine. It declares it to be no core, 0 kbps and 0 channels. But, mediainfo still shows the resultant M2TS file to have 6 channels of EAC3 audio.
I wouldn't worry too much as your "doit" script (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811711&postcount=46) will solve it all for you, right? :D

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I noticed that a 24.00fps 1920x1080p source gets per default converted to 23.976 fps during file import, and the audio is slowed down accordingly. Couldn't it be left untouched at 24fps because it is Blu-Ray compliant? Not that the slight slowdown really matters, it just requires a re-encoding (video + audio) and prevents to burn the compliant IMPORT folder without re-encoding.
For Quick Play reauthoring the disc, the 24.00 fps is however kept intact.

This brings up a second question: How would an imported 25fps 1920x1080i source be processed? Would it also be framerate converted during import or left untouched as 25i, assuming I don't deinterlace it?
(When I find a 1920x1080i25 source I'll try out myself to see what happens).

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
I noticed that a 24.00fps 1920x1080p source gets per default converted to 23.976 fps during file import, and the audio is slowed down accordingly. Couldn't it be left untouched at 24fps because it is Blu-Ray compliant? Not that the slight slowdown really matters, it just requires a re-encoding (video + audio) and prevents to burn the compliant IMPORT folder without re-encoding.
For Quick Play reauthoring the disc, the 24.00 fps is however kept intact.

This brings up a second question: How would an imported 25fps 1920x1080i source be processed? Would it also be framerate converted during import or left untouched as 25i, assuming I don't deinterlace it?
(When I find a 1920x1080i25 source I'll try out myself to see what happens).I'll look at that. I'd gotten a previous report that it was converted -- but I can't, for the life of me, remember doing that (or why I would do it). Getting old, I guess. I'll look at it and make sure it doesn't convert 24fps to 23.976fps for the next release.

25fps should import without conversion. I do, though, have a hidden option (IMPORT_PAL_TO_FILM) that will convert it to 23.976 for non-PAL countries and for sources that were originally film -- but I know that one also adjust the audio.

[Sharc]

Thank you. No rush! When (almost) all problems are solved people become a bit nit-picking, right? ;)

[MrVideo]

I wouldn't worry too much as your "doit" script (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811711&postcount=46) will solve it all for you, right? :D
It is a script for only doing video recoding. No audio work is done with it.

I have other scripts for doing audio work.

[MrVideo]

I do, though, have a hidden option (IMPORT_PAL_TO_FILM) that will convert it to 23.976 for non-PAL countries and for sources that were originally film -- but I know that one also adjust the audio.
As we all know, PAL doesn't exist anymore (it is an analog format). That said, whenever I look for a new monitor, I have to double-check the specs to make sure it supports ALL of the frame rates and resolutions (not including 4K). For some dumb reason, some manufactures that import some models into the U.S. tend to not include the 25/50 frame rate sizes. Something they do not do with overseas models. Dumber still because the Blu-ray players do not have that limitation. At least my Samsung players do not.

A long tradition with display manufactures that just won't go away.

[MrVideo]

(When I find a 1920x1080i25 source I'll try out myself to see what happens).
I can provide a sample from a Doctor Who Blu-ray release. I get all of the U.K. Doctor Who releases, as I prefer the original frame rate.

What I've never understood is why the Blu-ray group never included 25p as a frame rate. It is only 1fps away from 24p, which is supported. It was very illogical.

[Lathe]

You can download scanned/custom covers, and disc artwork, for free, or very cheap. If you would like to know where, PM me.

Thanks kindly mate! Yeah, I've done hundreds of searches when I'm looking to put together some covers or disc art, and I've found a number of excellent sites where people come up with some good stuff. Some times I use theirs untouched, especially the disc art, but many times, especially for multiple box series like STAR TREK: TNG or the James Bond series, I kind of want the box art to look consistently a certain way and then create a template.

[Lathe]

Sure... that's fine when you're not the one who has to respond to 500 "BD-RB's output doesn't work" and "it creates non-compliant output" on forums all over the world. How about I write my software, and you write yours.

It doesn't, however, have to be compliant in the pseudo-bd folder. So I'll see what I can do to keep it intact when the output is to MKV or MP4 and save the reencoding step until a BD is being reencoded. That assumes that TSMUXER doesn't reject it, though (which it may very well do, I'll have to test it).

That's really nice of you to think about doing that considering the oddity of the occurrence... when I try to play MKV files with Eac3 files in them, my OPPO shows Dolby+ on the screen, but I don't hear anything. But, as Dr. V pointed out, that is I guess because the 'core' has been removed, similar to how MKVMerge handles TrueHD which has been muxed into MKV files.

[MrVideo]

Some times I use theirs untouched, especially the disc art, but many times, especially for multiple box series like STAR TREK: TNG or the James Bond series, I kind of want the box art to look consistently a certain way and then create a template.
In the case of ST:TNG, the artwork that has been released is for all seven seasons. For pretty much any TV series, either scanned artwork, or custom artwork, can be found. For further discussion, let's move this to a PM conversation.

[MrVideo]

when I try to play MKV files with Eac3 files in them, my OPPO shows Dolby+ on the screen, but I don't hear anything. But, as Dr. V pointed out, that is I guess because the 'core' has been removed.
As I've posted above, that is only part of the issue. The other is that using a S/PDIF/coax connection to the amp requires a core, as that connection only supports the core bitrates. No core, no audio.

[MrVideo]

But yeah, if you are doing television episodes the size that it takes on the disc would kind of add up.
As a test, I converted an EAC3 file to LPCM. The audio file was 10x larger, taking the 4GB file to 6GB. That basically means that I would only be able to fit two files in the space of three, if the audio were AC3/EAC3.

For me, that is unrealistic. For a 24 episode season, that means at least four episodes a disc. But, at 6GB an episode, that takes up more space than the disc contains.

Hence the reason for trying to keep the EAC3 file, if at all possible.

[Lathe]

In the case of ST:TNG, the artwork that has been released is for all seven seasons. For pretty much any TV series, either scanned artwork, or custom artwork, can be found. For further discussion, let's move this to a PM conversation.

No, that's okay; as I mentioned, I've already made (at least) several hundred cases / discs over the last several years, so I pretty much can find plenty of whatever I need, but thanks though...

[Sharc]

I can provide a sample from a Doctor Who Blu-ray release. I get all of the U.K. Doctor Who releases, as I prefer the original frame rate.
Thanks, but I could run a test with a sample from my home videocam which has a setting for 1920x1080i25. BD-RB imports this correctly as 25i. So the conversion issue seems to exist only for 24.00fps import footage.

[Mark_Venture]

Will BD-Rebuilder encode fail if a file can't be read from the source bluray?

Example: Ripping Minions 3D, the ripper fails on a .SSIF file when ripping the disc to folder on HD, or ISO file. However, if I fire up BD-REbuilder, set Alt-MovieOnly-MKV and point it to the Bluray drive as the source, it completes processing fine.

Should I expect the output MKV to be ok?

[Sharc]

Will BD-Rebuilder encode fail if a file can't be read from the source bluray?

Example: Ripping Minions 3D, the ripper fails on a .SSIF file when ripping the disc to folder on HD, or ISO file. However, if I fire up BD-REbuilder, set Alt-MovieOnly-MKV and point it to the Bluray drive as the source, it completes processing fine.

Should I expect the output MKV to be ok?
I assume you are encoding to 3D SBS format, right?
Even though BD-RB completes without error it could still be that the encode shows some glitches if something failed during the source decoding process. You would have to check the final result carefully.

[jdobbs]

Will BD-Rebuilder encode fail if a file can't be read from the source bluray?

Example: Ripping Minions 3D, the ripper fails on a .SSIF file when ripping the disc to folder on HD, or ISO file. However, if I fire up BD-REbuilder, set Alt-MovieOnly-MKV and point it to the Bluray drive as the source, it completes processing fine.

Should I expect the output MKV to be ok?If it's a multipart source, it's possible that some of the segments (for a playlist that is never referenced, for example) may have errors purposefully. But you'd think the ripper would catch that.

[bryrabknowles]

Out of curiosity, how does BDRebuilder choose where to split files? Is there some sort of scene change detection that keeps it from cutting in the middle of a scene and potentially (albeit very slightly) reducing compression efficiency?

[jdobbs]

Out of curiosity, how does BDRebuilder choose where to split files? Is there some sort of scene change detection that keeps it from cutting in the middle of a scene and potentially (albeit very slightly) reducing compression efficiency?I assume you mean when multiprocessing is enabled. A BD contains information as to where a reasonable percentage of the I-frames in a stream are located (it's used for chapter skipping, fast forwarding, etc.). All scenes begin on an I frame. BD-RB uses that information to choose a split point that starts on an I-frame and is nearest a location that evenly distributes the encoding between the multiple encode processes. When you are doing a backup, all scenes and chapter points, etc, are maintained from the original authoring.

[AmigaFuture]

Hey...!



........................................http://lathe-of-heaven.com/I Fart in Your General Direction.gif

NIIIIIIIIIICCCEEEEE quote!!! *Slaps you on the back!!* Attaboy!! *Gives big hug!*

[AmigaFuture]

I stole 'em. You're not the only one with social issues.

Sorry, but no. Did I say I would? If so, I think I lost the bubble on it.

Haaaahaaaahaa!! Before I looked at the next reply, I was thinking the same way, JD!

[Lathe]

niiiiiiiiiiccceeeee quote!!! *slaps you on the back!!* attaboy!! *gives big hug!*

. :)

[Sharc]

Making a Full backup of a disc with 1 Feature and 2 Extras (all VC-1).
I selected "Quicker Encode for Extras". Nevertheless Extra 1 was encoded 2-pass i.e. same as the Feature. Extra 2 was encoded 1-pass CRF (as expected).
Is this possibly a bug?
Perhaps to add that Extra 1 was quite large (14.4GB), Extra 2 was 1.5 GB, the feature was 26.4GB.
In the .ini I set the option "QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1", but I would have assumed that this affects only the encoder quality settings but not the mode which should still be 1-pass CRF for all Extras.

Secondly: Since v0.50.24 the .log is no longer written (or updated) to the HD. Is there as setting for this which I missed?

[Lathe]

Making a Full backup of a disc with 1 Feature and 2 Extras (all VC-1).
I selected "Quicker Encode for Extras". Nevertheless Extra 1 was encoded 2-pass i.e. same as the Feature. Extra 2 was encoded 1-pass CRF (as expected).
Is this possibly a bug?
Perhaps to add that Extra 1 was quite large (14.4GB), Extra 2 was 1.5 GB, the feature was 26.4GB.
In the .ini I set the option "QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1", but I would have assumed that this affects only the encoder quality settings but not the mode which should still be 1-pass CRF for all Extras.

Secondly: Since v0.50.24 the .log is no longer written (or updated) to the HD. Is there as setting for this which I missed?

Yeah, I've had that happen a number of times when any of the Xtras are somewhat large. don't have a solution though, sorry...

[bryrabknowles]

Are there any plans for conversion to DTS be added in the future, or are there reasons that dcaenc isn't implemented into BDRB? Usually I externally convert DD+ to DTS with LameXP before importing to BDRB, which on Full Disc reencodes then requires a MultiAVCHD reauthor beforehand. Would be nice to skip the extra steps if possible.

[jdobbs]

Are there any plans for conversion to DTS be added in the future, or are there reasons that dcaenc isn't implemented into BDRB? Usually I externally convert DD+ to DTS with LameXP before importing to BDRB, which on Full Disc reencodes then requires a MultiAVCHD reauthor beforehand. Would be nice to skip the extra steps if possible.
LameXP outputs DTS? What encoder does it use?

[bryrabknowles]

LameXP outputs DTS? What encoder does it use?

It uses dcaenc.

[jdobbs]

Making a Full backup of a disc with 1 Feature and 2 Extras (all VC-1).
I selected "Quicker Encode for Extras". Nevertheless Extra 1 was encoded 2-pass i.e. same as the Feature. Extra 2 was encoded 1-pass CRF (as expected).
Is this possibly a bug?
Perhaps to add that Extra 1 was quite large (14.4GB), Extra 2 was 1.5 GB, the feature was 26.4GB.
In the .ini I set the option "QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1", but I would have assumed that this affects only the encoder quality settings but not the mode which should still be 1-pass CRF for all Extras.

Secondly: Since v0.50.24 the .log is no longer written (or updated) to the HD. Is there as setting for this which I missed?There's really no definitive way for BD-RB to definitively identify which is the feature when there are multiple large playlists. It just makes an educated guess.

Not writing to the log file? I'll have to check that. There've been no changes to that code in ages.

[bryrabknowles]

I don't think I ever explained my other question very well.

BDRB stops Multiprocessing from being used on smaller files during a Full Disc Reencode.

When using Multiprocessing, I find that I get better results if I lower the number of threads used. For Multiprocess=12, I set Threads=1.

This works great for the main feature.

The problem I run into is when BDRB processes the smaller files on the disc that default back to only 1 process, the program still uses Threads=1. I was hoping you might include a fix for this in hidden options so that BDRB knows to use a different number of threads for those files.

For Multiprocess=0, the program would use the number of threads defined in Threads=y
For Multiprocess=x>0, the program would use the number of threads defined in Threads_MP=y

[Lathe]

There's really no definitive way for BD-RB to definitively identify which is the feature when there are multiple large playlists. It just makes an educated guess.

Not writing to the log file? I'll have to check that. There've been no changes to that code in ages.

This kind of ties in with what I had written about a few pages ago. Do you suppose it would be a big task for you to include a 'simple' tab in the menu where one COULD indeed indicate (maybe from a drop down list) which playlist is the 'main movie' file and which are the Xtras? That would be awesome, because in the uncommon case that I was mentioning before, I was extracting from a series disc (UFO) the last bonus disc, where in this case, one of the Xtras was larger than the one episode on the disc.

Do you think it would be workable to have a place in the menu 'simply' to select which is which so BDRB will 'know'...?

[Sharc]

...or perhaps by a right-click on the VID_0000... stream in the Stream tab (similar to Preview / Blank this Item ....), for example "Set as Extra".

[Lathe]

...or perhaps by a right-click on the VID_0000... stream in the Stream tab (similar to Preview / Blank this Item ....), for example "Set as Extra".

Hey, not bad Sharc! You know... it doesn't happen very often, but now and then you really come up with a great idea! :)

[MrVideo]

Usually I externally convert DD+ to DTS
What do you hope to gain by doing that?

[MrVideo]

Instead of dcaenc, why not the better replacement: ffdcaenc (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=172694)

[Sharc]

There's really no definitive way for BD-RB to definitively identify which is the feature when there are multiple large playlists. It just makes an educated guess.

I see. And when in doubt which one is the true Feature BD-RB decides to encode both like a Feature (which makes sense in probably most cases).

[jdobbs]

I see. And when in doubt which one is the true Feature BD-RB decides to encode both like a Feature (which makes sense in probably most cases).Yes. It uses several checks to make the determination. One is that it assumes anything larger than 5 billion bytes is a feature. I used that number after comparing several "series" BDs. But, of course, it can't always be right.

[jdobbs]

...or perhaps by a right-click on the VID_0000... stream in the Stream tab (similar to Preview / Blank this Item ....), for example "Set as Extra".Yeah, that would be a good way to do it.

[jdobbs]

Secondly: Since v0.50.24 the .log is no longer written (or updated) to the HD. Is there as setting for this which I missed? I tested it on my system and it is working correctly. Not sure why it would be different on yours. Do you have BD-RB installed in "Program Files" or "Program Files (x86)" perhaps? If you do it's possible that Windows is virtualizing and writing the output to another location. It started doing that with Windows Vista, I believe.

[Edit] But... that could only happen if your Working Folder were there too... which is not very likely. So I really have no idea why it isn't working on yours.

[Sharc]

I tested it on my system and it is working correctly. Not sure why it would be different on yours. Do you have BD-RB installed in "Program Files" or "Program Files (x86)" perhaps? If you do it's possible that Windows is virtualizing and writing the output to another location. It started doing that with Windows Vista, I believe.

[Edit] But... that could only happen if your Working Folder were there too... which is not very likely. So I really have no idea why it isn't working on yours.
Thanks for checking. Nothing of above applies for my installation, weird. I tried to trace the case back and I suspect now that it came with a Win10 update or with another program installation. I'll wait for the next OS update to see whether it will revert to normal behaviour.

[bryrabknowles]

What do you hope to gain by doing that?

Slightly better audio quality than 640kbps ac3 that maintains backwards compatibility with SPDIF.

[gonca]

@Sharc
Do you, by chancs, have Verbose Status Reporting checked under Settings?

[Sharc]

@Sharc
Do you, by chancs, have Verbose Status Reporting checked under Settings?
Oh yes! That's a change which I made recently only. I didn't think that it disables the logging to the HD. Thanks!

[jdobbs]

Slightly better audio quality than 640kbps ac3 that maintains backwards compatibility with SPDIF.That's debatable... especially since double-blind tests have proven 640Kbs AC3 to be indistinguishable from lossless (to human beings).

[jdobbs]

Oh yes! That's a change which I made recently only. I didn't think that it disables the logging to the HD. Thanks!I doesn't stop from writing to HD, but it does reduce the number of things written.

But... there is an option under the FILE menu called "Status Logging On". Make sure that is checked. I'd forgotten I even had that there. :o

[Sharc]

But... there is an option under the FILE menu called "Status Logging On". Make sure that is checked. I'd forgotten I even had that there. :o
Oh I missed that option. It got probably reset when I installed v0.50.24 from scratch. All ok now. Thanks!

[jdobbs]

Oh I missed that option. It got probably reset when I installed v0.50.24 from scratch. All ok now. Thanks!It defaults to on. I'm guessing it just accidentally got reset at some point.

[bryrabknowles]

I don't think I ever explained my other question very well.

BDRB stops Multiprocessing from being used on smaller files during a Full Disc Reencode.

When using Multiprocessing, I find that I get better results if I lower the number of threads used. For Multiprocess=12, I set Threads=1.

This works great for the main feature.

The problem I run into is when BDRB processes the smaller files on the disc that default back to only 1 process, the program still uses Threads=1. I was hoping you might include a fix for this in hidden options so that BDRB knows to use a different number of threads for those files.

For Multiprocess=0, the program would use the number of threads defined in Threads=y
For Multiprocess=x>0, the program would use the number of threads defined in Threads_MP=y

Am I the only one with this issue... seems to keep getting lost in the thread.

[Lathe]

@Sharc
Do you, by chancs, have Verbose Status Reporting checked under Settings?

Ah, yet again, Gonca dazzles us with his keen insight. Take note fellow Dobbsies, it's kind of like a full solar eclipse... You may only see this once in your lifetime...

[gonca]

@Lathe
First it a small g
Second, please accept this in the spirit it was meant,

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6cbb/qpcja15zbq59vr94g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/qpcja15zbq59vr9/ddba2303e981a96dc0c79ba8fc320af5.jpg)

[Lathe]

@Lathe
First it a small g
Second, please accept this in the spirit it was meant,

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6cbb/qpcja15zbq59vr94g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/qpcja15zbq59vr9/ddba2303e981a96dc0c79ba8fc320af5.jpg)

WOW, that is quite a face! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

small 'g' huh...? Oooooh, aren't we humble... small 'g'.... No capital pretensions from me, oh no... Just a lowly, I'm your humble servant, 'I don't need a capital' gonca...

:D

[gonca]

Lathe, you really need to get out more :rolleyes:

[Lathe]

Lathe, you really need to get out more :rolleyes:

Don't change the subject little 'g'... :cool:

And, YES, I do indeed need to get out more... :rolleyes:

[MrVideo]

Slightly better audio quality than 640kbps ac3 that maintains backwards compatibility with SPDIF.
As jdobbs says, doubtful. Especially when feeding it an EAC3 file. You can't get something better from such a source. You'll never hear the difference.

[Lathe]

WOW! I had taken the Xtras from 'GHOST IN THE SHELL' and created a playable BD5. But, my older OPPO sometimes doesn't like some of the newer Java or something in some of the newer menus (I remember reading SOMETHING about it, but I can't remember precisely what it was) and it just showed 'Wrong disc' as it has a number of times before.

So, I don't normally do this, but I then imported that BD folder and rendered it with a quick play menu. Now the WOW part :) I was stunned when I went to play the disc and all of the sudden the entire background was full of these awesome graphics and sound. NEVER saw that before. Apparently, BDRB recognized and took the original discs background imagery and sound and used it here. WOW, did that look frigg'n AWESOME! Very impressive JD! I guess I just had never had opportunity to use this aspect of BDRB, but I had to come here and say how amazing that looked! Bloody awesome feature man, thanks for that! :D

[jdobbs]

WOW! I had taken the Xtras from 'GHOST IN THE SHELL' and created a playable BD5. But, my older OPPO sometimes doesn't like some of the newer Java or something in some of the newer menus (I remember reading SOMETHING about it, but I can't remember precisely what it was) and it just showed 'Wrong disc' as it has a number of times before.

So, I don't normally do this, but I then imported that BD folder and rendered it with a quick play menu. Now the WOW part :) I was stunned when I went to play the disc and all of the sudden the entire background was full of these awesome graphics and sound. NEVER saw that before. Apparently, BDRB recognized and took the original discs background imagery and sound and used it here. WOW, did that look frigg'n AWESOME! Very impressive JD! I guess I just had never had opportunity to use this aspect of BDRB, but I had to come here and say how amazing that looked! Bloody awesome feature man, thanks for that! :D
Glad you got some use out of it. I put a lot of work into that reauthoring code. Thanks for the kind words.

[Lathe]

Glad you got some use out of it. I put a lot of work into that restoring code. Thanks for the kind words.

Absolutely! Normally, if there are just a few Xtras, I would just import them into BDRB and let it create it's default, static menu. But, sometimes with more visually oriented films, it might be nice to keep the menus, especially if there are numerous Xtras. BUT... like I mentioned, the older OPPO players sometimes choke on the newer menus if they've been backed up. Something about 'something' timing out, I don't remember... But, what is nice now that I've seen how BDRB can retain the original menu visuals and sound, simply importing the already BDRB created Xtras disc with menus, entering the title names of the Xtras, and THEN burning it, yields REALLY nice results!

I remember discussion here about how BDRB could use the existing menu backgrounds, but I had NO idea that it would come out so amazingly. So, after this, I will plan on doing that every time :)

I will try to attach a link if you wanna see how the background looks and sounds. You can imagine since this was my very first time seeing BDRB do this, I was quite blown away!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/gitsmenu.mkv (it IS about 50 megs, sorry... it took me about 20 seconds to DL)

[bbcby]

Help please.
Target BD size: BD-25
Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
Why BD Rebuilder force reencode DTS-HD 2.0 to AC3?

[mparade]

@jdobbs

In case of an alternate output (if I remember correctly you told you might add such a feature to BD-RB) is it possible to use unique parameters without any restrictions that are added automatically to the commandline? My playback device is a HTPC, so there would be no need for any restrictions to be able to play back alternate outputs without any playback issues.

I just would like to determine the preset, the profile, the tune and some other parameters by myself in the command line using the tweak option. If I remember correctly, in the previous releases some restrictions were added automatically to the commandline. Is it possible to disable them with a hidden switch and add my own parameters?

Thank you very much for your help.

[bryrabknowles]

Rather than use Quick Encode for Extras, is there any way to set BDRB to encode extras in SD?

[Sharc]

@jdobbs

In case of an alternate output (if I remember correctly you told you might add such a feature to BD-RB) is it possible to use unique parameters without any restrictions that are added automatically to the commandline? My playback device is a HTPC, so there would be no need for any restrictions to be able to play back alternate outputs without any playback issues.

I just would like to determine the preset, the profile, the tune and some other parameters by myself in the command line using the tweak option. If I remember correctly, in the previous releases some restrictions were added automatically to the commandline. Is it possible to disable them with a hidden switch and add my own parameters?

Thank you very much for your help.

From the hiddenopts.txt:
ALTERNATE_BLURAY=n n = 0/1 Default "1", if set to "0" --bluray-compat setting not used for ALTERNATE encodes

removes the blu-ray restrictions.

[mparade]

From the hiddenopts.txt:

removes the blu-ray restrictions.

Thank you very much for your reply.

That one is a great feature, however it only removes the --bluray compat parameter from the command line and allow for other restrictions to apply. But it is not a big deal, because I can overwrite them using the tweak parameter, I just would have liked to know if there is a switch for it already.

[worknstiff]

Just putting this question out there, probably just my system, has anyone done Kong 3d and had any issues with stuttering, flickering or flashing of the image after an encode?

[CraigWally]

Just putting this question out there, probably just my system, has anyone done Kong 3d and had any issues with stuttering, flickering or flashing of the image after an encode?

Yes, I have had that issue with other discs when playing the output in PowerDVD, but it played just perfect in the standalone Blu-ray player.

[worknstiff]

thanks CraigWally; RE: When playing the output in PowerDVD.

I will have to try playing it somewhere else then. It seems like I had this issue once before and when I played it with PowerDVD on another PC it was ok. I tried this disk on that PC and PowerDVD still flickered. PowerDVD USUALLY plays 3D content fine, wonder why this one is strange?

[Ch3vr0n]

It aint strange, that's been established LONG ago soon after 3D support was added. PDVD doesn't seem to like the in-mux method BDRB uses. Play the disc in a standalone player and it'll play just fine

[worknstiff]

thanks Ch3vr0n; RE: PDVD doesn't seem to like the in-mux method BDRB uses. Play the disc in a standalone player and it'll play just fine.

Weird, I usually always play the BD_RB output and never had any problems with PowerDVD 14. Like they say, live and learn. I wasted two or three attempts on trying to FIX this problem. Thanks for the heads up.

[bryrabknowles]

Rather than use Quick Encode for Extras, is there any way to set BDRB to encode extras in SD?
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[jdobbs]

Rather than use Quick Encode for Extras, is there any way to set BDRB to encode extras in SD?
bryrabknowles is online now Report PostNot currently. There is a way to make everything SD... but not just extras.

I'll put it on my to-do list, though.

[mparade]

Most of my BD-s includes DTS-HD and AC3 tracks that I want to keep per disc. In case of chosing mkv container as an output is it possible to reencode the DTS-HD track to AC3 using the bitrate chosen in the mkv profile and keep the AC3 track intact without reencoding at the same time? I found that BD-RB wants to reencode the AC3 track as well (regardless of it's original bitrate) to the bitrate chosen in the mkv profile. (I do not want to reencode a lower or equal bitrate AC3 track to a higher or same bitrate track but at the same time I want to use 640 kbit/s for the DTS-HD track).

Please help.

[gonca]

Extract the AC3 track from the BluRay and remux back into the mkv

[Lathe]

Extract the AC3 track from the BluRay and remux back into the mkv

See, what did I tell you... This guy is on a ROLL! :D

[gonca]

See, what did I tell you... This guy is on a ROLL! :D

And its still a lowercase g
By the way, your avatar, is that one of your dollies?

[Lathe]

And its still a lowercase g
By the way, your avatar, is that one of your dollies?

Grrrr... Don't diss my Avatar little 'g'... Just an Anime thing. I would use some really nice gif images if the bloody site would allow me to do so...

[MrVideo]

Extract the AC3 track from the BluRay and remux back into the mkv
I think the point is to avoid having to do the extra work, when BDRB can be told to leave it well enough alone.

[gonca]

The point is that mparade asked if it is possible in BD_RB
It is not, so I recommended to him/her an easy way to do it

[jdobbs]

Most of my BD-s includes DTS-HD and AC3 tracks that I want to keep per disc. In case of chosing mkv container as an output is it possible to reencode the DTS-HD track to AC3 using the bitrate chosen in the mkv profile and keep the AC3 track intact without reencoding at the same time? I found that BD-RB wants to reencode the AC3 track as well (regardless of it's original bitrate) to the bitrate chosen in the mkv profile. (I do not want to reencode a lower or equal bitrate AC3 track to a higher or same bitrate track but at the same time I want to use 640 kbit/s for the DTS-HD track).

Please help.It does checks so it doesn't reencode a lower or equal bitrate now. I'll have to check whether that is true for ALTERNATE output.

[MrVideo]

The point is that mparade asked if it is possible in BD_RB
It is not, so I recommended to him/her an easy way to do it
True, but it can be a suggestion as an improvement for BDRB.

[mparade]

In case of selecting mkv container as the output, even if I "turn on" a subtitle stream in the stream tab by using the right mouse button, after finishing the project media info tells this stream is not forced, but normal.

[worknstiff]

@ mparade RE: Even if I "turn on" a subtitle stream in the stream tab by using the right mouse button.

I wish there was a way to "Burn In" the subtitles because of all the stubborn subtitles like Avatar & District9 to name a few. Streaming MKV's to Plex, Kodi or even dedicated boxes like the WDTV are hit and miss even if the forced flag is turned on. It would be great to simply have it displayed once and for all.

[jdobbs]

@ mparade RE: Even if I "turn on" a subtitle stream in the stream tab by using the right mouse button.

I wish there was a way to "Burn In" the subtitles because of all the stubborn subtitles like Avatar & District9 to name a few. Streaming MKV's to Plex, Kodi or even dedicated boxes like the WDTV are hit and miss even if the forced flag is turned on. It would be great to simply have it displayed once and for all.There is. Look at "Use SupTitle..." in the setup menu. You have to first install SupTitle on your system (it is free, but, per its usage rules, can't be distributed with BD-RB).

[worknstiff]

Thanks jdobbs, I must have forgotten that option. This is activated using alternate output to MKV right?

[jdobbs]

Thanks jdobbs, I must have forgotten that option. This is activated using alternate output to MKV right?Yes it is. Remember, only forced subtitles are hard encoded, so make sure your force them on.

[jdobbs]

In case of selecting mkv container as the output, even if I "turn on" a subtitle stream in the stream tab by using the right mouse button, after finishing the project media info tells this stream is not forced, but normal.Make sure you force it on just before encoding. The setting is not persistent, and other changes or closing/opening BD-RB can reset it.

[AmigaFuture]

Anybody else experiencing issues with e-mail delivery of notifications related to new posts? Until today I don't think I've gotten any in over a week at least -- even though there have been plenty of posts.

I've noticed some problems with it. Like Lathe, if I don't post for a bit or don't login to read some then notifications stop. I usually keep a Firefox Tab for when it's running or Saved when exited which reloads to where I left it.
But that won't always cause new replies to send a notification.

[AmigaFuture]

@Lathe
First it a small g
Second, please accept this in the spirit it was meant,

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6cbb/qpcja15zbq59vr94g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/qpcja15zbq59vr9/ddba2303e981a96dc0c79ba8fc320af5.jpg)

That's a cute money! Looks like Gene Simmons after "eating" a very...ummmmm, unclean place with that tongue of his. With a Capital "G" and "S". ;-)

[MrVideo]

That's a cute money!
Strangest money I've ever seen. :scared:

[Lathe]

Strangest money I've ever seen. :scared:

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/laugh.gif

You sharp-eyed B@stard, I missed that!

[gonca]

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/laugh.gif

You sharp-eyed B@stard, I missed that!
We'll type bigger next time

[Lathe]

We'll type bigger next time

Well... you know what they say...

The bigger the type, the smaller the...

[varekai]

Well... you know what they say...

The bigger the type, the smaller the...
okeyyy...

[gonca]

Well... you know what they say...

The bigger the type, the smaller the...
The bigger type is just for you, so...

[Lathe]

okeyyy...

Heh heh...

[Lathe]

The bigger type is just for you, so...

Huh uh... good try though... :cool:

[gonca]

Huh uh... good try though... :cool:

We'll just call you tiny Lathe from now on

[Lathe]

We'll just call you tiny Lathe from now on

... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/sigh1.gif

[meadrocks]

I'm trying to do Star Wars A New Hope, HEVC, 1920x1080, Auto-AAC, movie only. It states Failed video encode, aborted. I works just fine on x264 encode.

Here's the output from Inspect.
[07/28/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.24
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 316.44GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[07/28/17] Systems Settings Check complete

In workfiles there's a batch file called X265, I assume this is the command thats failing. I have 300 Gig free disk space.

"C:\BD_Rebuilder50.24\tools\avs2yuv.exe" "C:\DVDRIP\A_NEW_HOPE\BDMV\STREAM\00300.m2ts" -o - | "C:\BD_Rebuilder50.24\tools\x265-64.exe" - --preset medium --slow-firstpass --qpfile "C:\T1\WORKFILES\VID_00300.CHP" --keyint 240 --crf 23 --y4m --stats "C:\T1\WORKFILES\00300.m2ts.hevc.stats" --output "C:\T1\WORKFILES\00300.m2ts.hevc"

When I paste this in a shell window I get the following.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\ampl>"C:\BD_Rebuilder50.24\tools\avs2yuv.exe" "C:\DVDRIP\A_NEW_HOPE\BDM
V\STREAM\00300.m2ts" -o - | "C:\BD_Rebuilder50.24\tools\x265-64.exe" - --preset
medium --slow-firstpass --qpfile "C:\T1\WORKFILES\VID_00300.CHP" --keyint 240 --
crf 23 --y4m --stats "C:\T1\WORKFILES\00300.m2ts.hevc.stats" --output "C:\T1\WOR
KFILES\00300.m2ts.hevc"
infile "C:\DVDRIP\A_NEW_HOPE\BDMV\STREAM\00300.m2ts" doesn't look like an avisyn
th script
error: unexpected character "◄"
x265 [error]: unable to open input file <->

C:\Users\ampl>

What else can I give you to help debug this.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Weird. There should be an AVS file that is used for input. Can I see the log?

[meadrocks]

Where is the log file?

Do you mean this info?

[Status]
LABEL=A_NEW_HOPE
VERSION=v0.50.24
SOURCE_SIZE=41562218496
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=41562218496
TARGET_SIZE=4686086144
REDUCTION=.112748700949421
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=33
USE_LAVF=0
INSTANCES=1
DGDECNV=0
DGDECIM=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
FFMS2=0
SSIF_MODE=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=1.5
[00300]
AUDIO=1000000
PGS=100000000000000000000000000001
APULLDOWN=0
S1440=0
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=91066718

[jdobbs]

No. It's what shows in the window while the job is running. It is also saved in the file BD-REBUILDER.LOG in the working folder. It's a simple text file that can be opened with NOTEPAD.

[meadrocks]

----------------------
[07/28/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.24
[21:22:10] Source: A_NEW_HOPE_00800
- Input BD size: 38.71 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:04:44.727]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV Container, HEVC 1920x1080, Auto-AAC
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[21:22:10] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:22:10] Processing: VID_00300 (1 of 2)
- [21:22:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00300]
- [21:31:47] Reencoding video [VID_00300]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 3,522 frames
- [21:31:48] Reencoding: VID_00300, Pass 1 of 1
[21:31:56] - Failed video encode, aborted


Its just a handful of movies that fail, Star Wars 4, 5, 6, John Wick Ch2, Hacksaw Ridge are a few.

[jdobbs]

----------------------
[07/28/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.24
[21:22:10] Source: A_NEW_HOPE_00800
- Input BD size: 38.71 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:04:44.727]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV Container, HEVC 1920x1080, Auto-AAC
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[21:22:10] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:22:10] Processing: VID_00300 (1 of 2)
- [21:22:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00300]
- [21:31:47] Reencoding video [VID_00300]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 3,522 frames
- [21:31:48] Reencoding: VID_00300, Pass 1 of 1
[21:31:56] - Failed video encode, aborted


Its just a handful of movies that fail, Star Wars 4, 5, 6, John Wick Ch2, Hacksaw Ridge are a few.Ok. I think I found a way for to occur. I'm guessing the ATCDelta flag was set on the source and it is multi-part -- which makes BD-RB want to work directly with the source rather than through an AVS file. That can't be allowed when using X265 for output (since it needs to use AVS2YUV to feed it). I've put in an exclusion to prevent that from happening for the next release.

[Lathe]

Ok. I think I found a way for to occur. I'm guessing the ATCDelta flag was set on the source -- which makes BD-RB want to work directly with the source rather than through an AVS file. That can't be allowed when using X265 for output (since it needs to use AVS2YUV to feed it). I've put in an exclusion to prevent that from happening for the next release.

Annnnnnnnd... that's why, in my lowly and wretched opinion... just stay with x264. x265 just doesn't seem worth all the trouble... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[jdobbs]

Annnnnnnnd... that's why, in my lowly and wretched opinion... just stay with x264. x265 just doesn't seem worth all the trouble... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gifIf you're trying to encode at very low bitrates, you're kinda' have to go HEVC. But... based on my quality/size testing, at higher bitrates you have to have close to the same file size in both X264 and X265 to keep the same SSIM.

[Lathe]

If you're trying to encode at very low bitrates, you're kinda' have to go HEVC. But... based on my quality/size testing, at higher bitrates you have to have close to the same file size in both X264 and X265 to keep the same SSIM.

Yeah, makes sense...

[worknstiff]

Re: at higher bitrates you have to have close to the same file size in both X264 and X265.
Wonder why all the 4K stuff is H.265 then if there is no optimization of the file sizes. Does H.265 only show huge gains when you are using higher resolutions?

[gonca]

Re: at higher bitrates you have to have close to the same file size in both X264 and X265.
Wonder why all the 4K stuff is H.265 then if there is no optimization of the file sizes. Does H.265 only show huge gains when you are using higher resolutions?

HEVC is designed for 4K resolution, that is where it "shines"
At lower resolutions YMMV

[worknstiff]

I have to say except for a few instances looking at the big box stores HUGE 70" and above displays I have been under-whelmed with much of an improvement in detail, unless you get really CLOSE. Yes I see the improvement in the color, and contrast but so many movies now are so color graded and filmed in available light with digital cameras that all the "detail" is lost anyway. Then throw in the fact that there is no 3D, no way to BD Rebuilder or even playback on your PC and I'm ready to sit this round of upgrading out, at least for the moment.

[jdobbs]

I have to say except for a few instances looking at the big box stores HUGE 70" and above displays I have been under-whelmed with much of an improvement in detail, unless you get really CLOSE. Yes I see the improvement in the color, and contrast but so many movies now are so color graded and filmed in available light with digital cameras that all the "detail" is lost anyway. Then throw in the fact that there is no 3D, no way to BD Rebuilder or even playback on your PC and I'm ready to sit this round of upgrading out, at least for the moment.Yeah. I'm kinda' in that boat too. I read a really good article recently. The article points out that at normal viewing distance, most (maybe all) people can't distinguish a difference between UHD and 1080p. There is a point where you are paying for something new, without actually getting any measurable benefit. I'm not rich enough to do that. Maybe if I had a 100" screen... but I'm still at 65".

[meadrocks]

I'm still using a 60" Pioneer plasma TV, the new 4K LCDs don't look any better to my 50 year old eyes. I'm really looking forward to HDR and the increased color space, once media is available I can see upgrading.

[Lathe]

I'm still at 65".

Wow, you still look pretty good for your age...

[lauguru]

Someone knows how to use it in TWEAK_X265= to put in ARCHIVE MODE: main 10, level 5.1, bt.2020 ??? For use [V: hevc main 10, yuv420p10le ]
TWEAK_X265=--output-depth 10 --profile main10 --tune grain

[MrVideo]

Yes I see the improvement in the color, and contrast but so many movies now are so color graded and filmed in available light with digital cameras that all the "detail" is lost anyway.
Something wrong with using available sun light when outside? Besides, you can't "film" with digital cameras. I've never found a way to put film in them. :D In any event, how can detail be lost? Most studios use the Red 5K, or even 8K, cameras. They are specifically designed for "shooting" (not "filming") movies.

Other than HDR modes for 4K displays, it is indeed hard to tell the difference between 2K and 4K, until you get into displays that are larger than 100". Specifically home theaters with larger screens using projectors.

I'll have to win PowerBall before I'll be able to build a new home with a built-in theater, using a professional 4K theater projector (with 3D :D ).

[Lathe]

Something wrong with using available sun light when outside? Besides, you can't "film" with digital cameras. I've never found a way to put film in them. :D In any event, how can detail be lost? Most studios use the Red 5K, or even 8K, cameras. They are specifically designed for "shooting" (not "filming") movies.

Yeah, some 'grain lovers' are so attached to their 'natural grain', that they forget that that is mostly a BYGONE product of using film. I understand and I too appreciate older films with inherent grain that comes with the filming process, and in some cases it can kind of enhance the viewing experience depending on the content. BUT... these sometimes narrow mindedly passionate grain devotees must remember that grain, which has been with us for so many decades is a chance BYPRODUCT of the medium. So, now that movies are using more digital cameras, unless the intermediate is manipulated, you are just simply not going to see that much grain in 'films' these days, which is what bloody REAL LIFE looks like! That has absolutely NOTHING to do with retained 'detail' The only point that I personally feel that these people have is when it is AGGRESSIVELY wiped away taking some of the actual detail with it. But, to say that since they are mostly using digital cameras, and thus there is 'no detail anyway'... well, I don't think I really need to finish that sentence, do I... :cool:

[worknstiff]

@ MrVideo RE: Something wrong with using available sun light when outside? Besides, you can't "film" with digital cameras. I've never found a way to put film in them. :D In any event, how can detail be lost?

No I think good old sunlight is the way to go but I was specifically talking about all the films (IE: I meant that in a general way not literally "filmed" with film.) that want to use something like candle light when shooting a scene. I REALLY hate the strobing effect and the lack of any detail. Don't even get me started with the shaky cam cuts using what appears to be a low resolution handicam. I am also pissed when I watch something like Lost City of Z and the color grading has robbed even most of the "probably" gorgeous outdoor shots of the amazon into a green washed out mess. Then all the interior shots were so low light there wasn't a lot of details of what was some probably pretty good looking set pieces. I get they the director and photographer were going for a "French painter Claude Lorrain was an aesthetic influence on the film's design. Khondji said he purposely designed mythical images of skies that Lorrain may have painted that are filled with gold, red, and blue (or a combination of them) effect BUT what about giving me a decent looking film anyway. I even played with the color and contrast gamma setting trying to better be able to see the movie. I wish everything would just look like it was supposed to look instead of being so artsy fartsy.

[MrVideo]

I wish everything would just look like it was supposed to look instead of being so artsy fartsy.
You very well know that it is a director's choice as to how the final presentation will look on the screen.

As for strobing, again that it up to the director and the director of photography as to what shutter speed will be used. You can get a strobe effect with film cameras as well. Again, by setting the shutter speed.

[Lathe]

@ MrVideo RE: Something wrong with using available sun light when outside? Besides, you can't "film" with digital cameras. I've never found a way to put film in them. :D In any event, how can detail be lost?

No I think good old sunlight is the way to go but I was specifically talking about all the films (IE: I meant that in a general way not literally "filmed" with film.) that want to use something like candle light when shooting a scene. I REALLY hate the strobing effect and the lack of any detail. Don't even get me started with the shaky cam cuts using what appears to be a low resolution handicam. I am also pissed when I watch something like Lost City of Z and the color grading has robbed even most of the "probably" gorgeous outdoor shots of the amazon into a green washed out mess. Then all the interior shots were so low light there wasn't a lot of details of what was some probably pretty good looking set pieces. I get they the director and photographer were going for a "French painter Claude Lorrain was an aesthetic influence on the film's design. Khondji said he purposely designed mythical images of skies that Lorrain may have painted that are filled with gold, red, and blue (or a combination of them) effect BUT what about giving me a decent looking film anyway. I even played with the color and contrast gamma setting trying to better be able to see the movie. I wish everything would just look like it was supposed to look instead of being so artsy fartsy.

I feel you on this one... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/thumbsup.gif

Now, Mr. Video... we all KNOW that the director, etc., can do anything they want. C'mon Bro, that's kind of stating the obvious... But, when they happen to choose to do something with the aesthetics that a person really doesn't like, well, that is what the fellow above is talking about.

For example, the 'nice' Dutch fellow who gave us 'THE HUMAN CENTIPEDE' clearly chose to portray what some of us would find quite disgusting. So, just blindly saying, 'well, he's the director and can do what he wants', is all good and true. BUT... as the fellow above says, we don't HAVE to like it!

[bryrabknowles]

Running into an issue with 10-bit x264 files (mkvs won't even import, ts files are imported). BD_Rebuilder isn't recognizing them as 10 bit when I try to encode them as Blurays - instead, if the disc size selected is larger than the file I imported, it just remuxes.

[jdobbs]

Running into an issue with 10-bit x264 files (mkvs won't even import, ts files are imported). BD_Rebuilder isn't recognizing them as 10 bit when I try to encode them as Blurays - instead, if the disc size selected is larger than the file I imported, it just remuxes.The HD blu-ray standard doesn't support 10 bit. A quote from an example article (http://www.techhive.com/article/171223/10_bit_color.html) (there are lots you can find with a search): Neither broadcast HDTV nor Blu-ray support deep color. If a studio released a movie on Blu-ray with 10-bit color, that disc wouldn't work on any existing player. That changes with UHD blu-ray (which isn't currently supported by BD-RB or its supporting software).

[MrVideo]

BUT... as the fellow above says, we don't HAVE to like it!
True, you can easily dislike the result. You can also not bother going to a movie presentation from a director that you know produces product that you do not like.

You can also go on IMDB and write a negative review.

[bryrabknowles]

The HD blu-ray standard doesn't support 10 bit. A quote from an example article (http://www.techhive.com/article/171223/10_bit_color.html) (there are lots you can find with a search): That changes with UHD blu-ray (which isn't currently supported by BD-RB or its supporting software).

I think i may have said it wrong

I know that 10 bit isn't supported for bluray.

What I am trying to do is convert a 10-bit mkv (or .ts) to an 8- bit bluray.

BDRB recognizes the file as AVC encoded. The file is 9.22 GB, Hi10P Level 5.0

When setting BDRB to fit a BD25, the program chooses to keep the original video (even though it isn't BD-Compliant).

[Chuckwagon]

I think i may have said it wrong

I know that 10 bit isn't supported for bluray.

What I am trying to do is convert a 10-bit mkv (or .ts) to an 8- bit bluray.

BDRB recognizes the file as AVC encoded. The file is 9.22 GB, Hi10P Level 5.0

When setting BDRB to fit a BD25, the program chooses to keep the original video (even though it isn't BD-Compliant).

Will this option help? (From the Hiddenopts file)

FORCE_ENCODE=n n = 0/1 - if set to 1, BD-RB will never check to see if original video will fit

[zorro101]

Hi

I have found a problem with import function (to make blu-ray autoring)
if I import mkv (but i also try many file with .m2ts .ts) with resolution of 1280x720p with 25fps, BDrebuilder trasnform this to 23,976

I have try to use files at 1920x1080p 25fps and it work properly

this is a big problem because lose audio sync

please, can you help me?
thanks
best regards

[MrVideo]

I have found a problem with import function (to make blu-ray autoring)
if I import mkv (but i also try many file with .m2ts .ts) with resolution of 1280x720p with 25fps, BDrebuilder trasnform this to 23,976
720p @ 25fps is not a supported BD format. 720p @ 50fps is.
I have try to use files at 1920x1080p 25fps and it work properly
It shouldn't have, as 1080p @ 25fps is not supported. 1080i @ 25fps is.

[jdobbs]

720p @ 25fps is not a supported BD format. 720p @ 50fps is.

It shouldn't have, as 1080p @ 25fps is not supported. 1080i @ 25fps is.BD-RB has an option to automatically convert PAL frame rates to NTSC frame rates (please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech). But... it also adjusts the audio.

I'm away from my office right now for a week, but I'll do some tests to see if I can repeat the issue when I return.

[Lathe]

BD-RB has an option to automatically convert PAL frame rates to NTSC frame rates (please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech)


Don't worry boss... I'm ready if Mr. Video tries anything... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif

[zorro101]

BD-RB has an option to automatically convert PAL frame rates to NTSC frame rates (please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech). But... it also adjusts the audio.

i have found the hiddenoptions "IMPORT_PAL_TO_FILM" but not make change on audio. the sync is always present! :(

There is another simple way to make the sync? I have also the subtitles on my mkv! :(:(

@MrVideo
What you say is correct:
on the blu-ray associations are not present 1280x720 25p but also not present 1980x1080 25p.
but i have many blu-ray working properly with 1920x1080 25p.

thanks

[zorro101]

Hi

I have try to make blu-ray using tsremux (using blu-ray filder option) and this create blu-ray 720p 25fps that work properly. (I have burned this to bd-re and play correct on blu-ray player and ps3)

after this I have used bdrebuilder to import BD(s) function and the result is perfect 720 25p blu-ray working

now the "problem" is
i need to make blu-ray whith many episode and many season and this is very complicate to make this process.

there is a possibility of "fix" bd rebuilder, with Calm of course?
thanks again

[jdobbs]

Hi

I have try to make blu-ray using tsremux (using blu-ray filder option) and this create blu-ray 720p 25fps that work properly. (I have burned this to bd-re and play correct on blu-ray player and ps3)

after this I have used bdrebuilder to import BD(s) function and the result is perfect 720 25p blu-ray working

now the "problem" is
i need to make blu-ray whith many episode and many season and this is very complicate to make this process.

there is a possibility of "fix" bd rebuilder, with Calm of course?
thanks againAre you attempting to play the pseudo-BD, or did you run a job against it after the import? The audio hasn't been adjusted yet in the pseudo-BD folder.

[zorro101]

Are you attempting to play the pseudo-BD, or did you run a job against it after the import? The audio hasn't been adjusted yet in the pseudo-BD folder.

I did not understand the question (i dont know pseudo-bd)

I use bdrebuider file-> import function for make "authoring" blu-ray (i need to create blu ray for season series)

i dont know why bdrebuilder import have different behavior
1) file-> import-> mkv,m2ts,etc 1280x720 25p -> audio sync loss (because bdrb change fps to 23.976)
2) if I put mkv into tsremux and make "bluray folder" and after i use bdre -> file-> import-> BD(s) -> work properly (without change fps)

thanks

[MrVideo]

please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech
I don't have to, you just did. You can lead a horse to water....

BTW, 23.976 fps was never an analog NTSC frame rate.

[MrVideo]

Don't worry boss... I'm ready if Mr. Video tries anything... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif
Oh boy... I'm just shaking in my boots!!!! :eek:

[MrVideo]

iWhat you say is correct:
on the blu-ray associations are not present 1280x720 25p but also not present 1980x1080 25p.
but i have many blu-ray working properly with 1920x1080 25p.
Yes, the spec is one thing and the actual Blu-ray playing device is another. Most of today's players will play non-compliant discs. jdobbs tries to only produce Blu-ray compliant discs.

[MrVideo]

i dont know why bdrebuilder import have different behavior
1) file-> import-> mkv,m2ts,etc 1280x720 25p -> audio sync loss (because bdrb change fps to 23.976)
2) if I put mkv into tsremux and make "bluray folder" and after i use bdre -> file-> import-> BD(s) -> work properly (without change fps)
As mentioned a few times, BDRB produces Blu-ray compliant discs. tsReMuxer doesn't try to produce compliant output.

After you import the MKV files and configure the menu, DO NOT click on the Backup button. Just go into the working area and burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories onto a disc. Running the Backup process is where the 25 fps -> 23.976 fps is done.

Only import enough files to fill a 25GB disc (or a 50GB disc).

[zorro101]

After you import the MKV files and configure the menu, DO NOT click on the Backup button. Just go into the working area and burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories onto a disc. Running the Backup process is where the 25 fps -> 23.976 fps is done.

sorry but is not as you say
all my test descript are only with menu creator.

and i can add that the backup (for compression) is not a problem.

i tried to make 5 episode as descript (creating bd from mkv 1280x720 25p with tsremux and after import on bd-rb as multiple BD(s) )
this produce prefect menu with 5 episode and all 5 episode are 1280x720 25p. i have burned and perfect reproduct on blu-ray player, but i also test with bdedit and all 5 file are marked as 1280x720 25p.

after this i have tryed to compress the result with bd-rb and any file are processed, correctly, as 1280x720 25p.

i repeat, the only "problem" on bd-rb is the import function whith file 1280x720 25p from container mkv, ts,m2ts,etc...

thanks

[jdobbs]

BTW, 23.976 fps was never an analog NTSC frame rate.:rolleyes: Always a waste of breath... 23.976 is the ACTUAL frame rate for most NTSC film sources on DVD and BD. 29.97 is the rate after pulldown is applied.

[jdobbs]

Yes, the spec is one thing and the actual Blu-ray playing device is another. Most of today's players will play non-compliant discs. jdobbs tries to only produce Blu-ray compliant discs.Exactly. What good are standards if they aren't followed? What if someone decided that a foot is only 10 inches when building his house because it makes the calculations easier.

[MrVideo]

:rolleyes: Always a waste of breath... 23.976 is the ACTUAL frame rate for most NTSC film sources on DVD and BD. 29.97 is the rate after pulldown is applied.
It is the frame rate that is actually output from the analog DVD player that is NTSC. The 23.976 frame rate is not NTSC (look at the spec). 23.976 fps is now available as a native frame rate on Blu-ray releases, but that that doesn't make it "NTSC." Never has, and never will.

23.976 is available in regions B and C. Does that make it "PAL?"

[MrVideo]

What good are standards if they aren't followed?
Interesting that you say that. NTSC/PAL are old analog specs that so many are trying to apply to the digital world.

Interesting note for both NTSC and PAL is that both are COLOR specs, added to the existing B&W broadcast standards. NTSC does modify the existing 30 fps B&W spec, to get 29.97 color to work (even though color would have worked @ 30 fps and we wouldn't have this 29.97/23.976 mess) and PAL added color to the existing B&W 25 fps. In other words, the broadcast specs for 30 fps and 25 fps came about long before NTSC or PAL. And none of the broadcast specs include 23.976/24 fps as broadcast frame rates. They include specs on how to handle said frame rates for broadcast (not part of NTSC or PAL).

[MrVideo]

sorry but is not as you say
all my test descript[ions] are only with menu creator.
It would have been nice if what you said in this posting would have been originally posted. It adds more detail that can help jdobbs look at the issue.

That said, I suspect that jdobbs will "fix" it so that 720p @ 25fps and 1080p @ 25fps are not available in the final output because both are not part of the Blu-ray spec. But, maybe the conversion to 23.976 could be done in the "Backup" portion of the process, leaving the original files alone during the processes before that point.

And/or, during the "Backup" portion of the process, the 720p could be converted to 50 fps (frame rate doubling) and the 1080p converted to 1080i @ 25fps. I suspect that AVISynth has filters to be able to do both. That will allow the time spectral info not to be lost.

Just a thought.

[geheim]

Hey jdobbs,

@videofan3d has made a nice little appliciation to keep 3d offsets for subtitles intact after reencoding with FRIM. The tool is called h264offset3d and can be found in this thread: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174563

Any chance you could integrate this in BDRebuilder?? Then we would be able to make perfect backups of 3D discs.

Two additional steps would be required: Before reencoding, the original offsets need to be extracted and after encoding they would need to be reinserted. As h264offset3d is command-line based I think this could be intergrated in BDRebuilder's workflow without too much work??
After reinserting offsets muxing can start and in this step, the subtitle streams need to be flagged to the according 3d plane as on the original disc. It would be nice if we could also choose the used flag manually (as in TSMuxer).

Any chance you could take a look at this and intergrate h264offset3d in BD Rebuilder?? Would be great, thank you very much :)

[jdobbs]

Hey jdobbs,

@videofan3d has made a nice little appliciation to keep 3d offsets for subtitles intact after reencoding with FRIM. The tool is called h264offset3d and can be found in this thread: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174563

Any chance you could integrate this in BDRebuilder?? Then we would be able to make perfect backups of 3D discs.

Two additional steps would be required: Before reencoding, the original offsets need to be extracted and after encoding they would need to be reinserted. As h264offset3d is command-line based I think this could be intergrated in BDRebuilder's workflow without too much work??
After reinserting offsets muxing can start and in this step, the subtitle streams need to be flagged to the according 3d plane as on the original disc. It would be nice if we could also choose the used flag manually (as in TSMuxer).

Any chance you could take a look at this and intergrate h264offset3d in BD Rebuilder?? Would be great, thank you very much :)Yep. I read that thread, I'll see how hard it will be.

[geheim]

Yep. I read that thread, I'll see how hard it will be.

Awesome, thanks! I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do :)

[zorro101]

And/or, during the "Backup" portion of the process, the 720p could be converted to 50 fps (frame rate doubling) and the 1080p converted to 1080i @ 25fps. I suspect that AVISynth has filters to be able to do both. That will allow the time spectral info not to be lost.

Just a thought.

What I noticed is that it is not a problem of reencoding but only fps marker as tsremux that allows to change fps

However no problem, solved by make 2 steps (As already explained)
problem closed for me

now i have a question:
There is way to set a subtitle track as forced on "full backup" mode (i have found only for "movie only")?

thanks again (and sorry for my english)

[jdobbs]

What I noticed is that it is not a problem of reencoding but only fps marker as tsremux that allows to change fps

However no problem, solved by make 2 steps (As already explained)
problem closed for me

now i have a question:
There is way to set a subtitle track as forced on "full backup" mode (i have found only for "movie only")?

thanks again (and sorry for my english)Unfortunately not. In a full backup the code used in the original has to stay intact. In movie only mode I can rewrite the code at will.

[zorro101]

Unfortunately not. In a full backup the code used in the original has to stay intact. In movie only mode I can rewrite the code at will.

thanks

[MrVideo]

However no problem, solved by make 2 steps (As already explained)
Would you rather do it in one step and not two?

[zorro101]

Would you rather do it in one step and not two?

yes, i like it, but the effort for modify the program it's not worth it (specially for single person problem)
thanks

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I have a number of old SVCD discs of which which I wanted to IMPORT the .mpg files, but BD Rebuilder throws the ERROR: Converting MPG container. Aborted.
The video format is MPEG Version 2 480x576i TFF 25fps DAR 4:3. The Audio is MPEG Audio Version 1 Layer2, 2 channel 128kbps, 48 kHz. The files play fine with MPC-HC.
So my question is whether it would be possible to support this format for IMPORT (not necessarily the full SVCD structure, just the .mpg container).
I am aware that this is an exotic request of probably low general interest and hence may not be worth the effort?

[Lathe]

@jdobbs
I have a number of old SVCD discs of which which I wanted to IMPORT the .mpg files, but BD Rebuilder throws the ERROR: Converting MPG container. Aborted.
The video format is MPEG Version 2 480x576i TFF 25fps DAR 4:3. The Audio is MPEG Audio Version 1 Layer2, 2 channel 128kbps, 48 kHz. The files play fine with MPC-HC.
So my question is whether it would be possible to support this format for IMPORT (not necessarily the full SVCD structure, just the .mpg container).
I am aware that this is an exotic request of probably low general interest and hence may not be worth the effort?

Sharc and his exotic requests... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[MrVideo]

The video format is MPEG Version 2 480x576i TFF 25fps DAR 4:3.
Not sure why BDRB wouldn't recode to 720x576i, the BD spec. The audio would need to be recoded to AC3/DTS as well.

How many of these files do you have?

[Sharc]

How many of these files do you have?
More than I like .... (TV captures, VHS captures, backups).
Remember there has been a pre-DVD age, and 480x576 SVCD quality was nearly as good as 720x480 DVD and always better than half-D1.
Playback of my SVCD productions have only become a problem after the death of my old DVD players. Newer players no longer support SVCD.
I can convert the files manually and still use BD-RB to put many on a BD25 and add a nice Quick-menu, but the direct route would of course be more elegant.

[bryrabknowles]

I would love HD-DVD import capability, at least for Main Feature. A lot of my BD-RB stuff is HD-DVD to Bluray.

Also, if that was implemented, an option to convert DD+ to LPCM would be great too, since HD-DVD allows 1.5mbps DD+ streams.

[MrVideo]

Versions 20 and 24.

[15:56:17] Importing: MKV
- [15:56:25] Importing video file: (1 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [15:59:36] Importing video file: (2 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [16:02:50] Importing video file: (3 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [16:06:01] Importing video file: (4 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [16:09:14] Importing video file: (5 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
[16:11:49]ERROR: Removing compression. Aborted.

I have no idea what the issue is because there is no detail in the log. It would be very helpful if the log indicated what the issue is. Is there any way to find out what the issue is?

If the video file is imported on its own, there is no issue.

UPDATE: Found it. I would have found it right away if BDRB would have listed the reason for the error. What was it? I ran out of disk space. Before you write that M$ pops up a notification that it is low on disk space, that is how I managed to discover the problem during a test. But (yes there is a but), it only stayed on the screen for about a second. Why? Because BDRB removed the working files right away, freeing up the space. The other times the notification was never displayed because the problem was removed before M$ could do the notification.

[AmigaFuture]

thanks Ch3vr0n; RE: PDVD doesn't seem to like the in-mux method BDRB uses. Play the disc in a standalone player and it'll play just fine.

Weird, I usually always play the BD_RB output and never had any problems with PowerDVD 14. Like they say, live and learn. I wasted two or three attempts on trying to FIX this problem. Thanks for the heads up.

I know it's an older message but I wanted to comment. PowerDVD 12 is what I mostly use. I refuse to quit it. It handles everything that BD-DB makes (I don't use 3D, and don't care about 3D). The later versions goof stuff, but the coders/programmers for 12..did some stuff right. I also watch carefully. My 2 cents.

[worknstiff]

@ AmigaFuture RE: The later versions goof stuff, but the coders/programmers for 12..did some stuff right. I also watch carefully. My 2 cents.
Yeah PowerDVD plays just about everything, I just hate that Arcsoft decided to quit making a player cause that was some great software too. I kept using TMT as my player of choice until Win 10 decided not to allow it.

[AmigaFuture]

@ AmigaFuture RE: The later versions goof stuff, but the coders/programmers for 12..did some stuff right. I also watch carefully. My 2 cents.

Yeah PowerDVD plays just about everything, I just hate that Arcsoft decided to quit making a player cause that was some great software too. I kept using TMT as my player of choice until Win 10 decided not to allow it.

Not all PowerDVD versions past 12 play everything well. Drag and Drop was broken and needed an update for 12. I refuse Windows 10. The GUI is not functional for most users as well as I; I deal with a lot of tech support.

[geheim]

Hi,
I've got a Problem with the FORCE_NOENCODE=1 Option.
BD-Rebuilder encodes my disc even if I set this Option in the ini file. Any ideas what I Need to Change, so that it doesn't reencode?? I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

Here's a log file:

[08.20.17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.21
[09:17:03] Source: DB
- Input BD size: 43,64 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:14:54.724]
- Target BD size: 46,26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[09:17:05] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:17:05] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 2)
- [09:17:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [09:22:03] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 155.337 frames
- Bitrate: 27.911 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
- [09:22:03] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 1
[09:22:23]PHASE ONE aborted by user request


And my ini:

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.21
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=F
ENABLE_TEST=1
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
ARCHIVE_265=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=1
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=1
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23000
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
TARGET_SIZE=47366
PRIORITY_CLASS=2
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
REMOVE_WORKING=1
FREE_PROCESSOR=0
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=35
AUTO_BLANK=0
AUTO_BURN=0
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
MULTIPROCESS=4
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
RESIZE_1440=0
KEEP_HD_LPCM=1
AUDIO_AMPLIFY=n
OUTPUT_3D=1
FULL_3D=Y
SWAP_3D=n
OUTPUT_3D_ISO=n
RESIZE_720=0
DISABLE_SLEEP=1
NEROAAC=0
IGNORE_3D=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
SUPTITLE=0
ENCODER=0
IMPORT_THRESHOLD=15
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=10
MENU_AUTO_BACKGROUND=1
MENU_PLAY_SEQUENTIAL=0
MENU_START_WITH_MENU=0
DSHOW=1
DECODER=2
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=0
AUDIO_DRC=0
PGSTOSRT=0
MENU_BACKGROUND=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\misc\menuback.jpg
MENU_AUDIO=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\tools\blankclip\blank.ac3
MENU_AUTO_DVDAUDIO=1
IMPORT_LIMIT_LANG=0
IMPORT_KEEP_PLAYALL=0


Can anyone point me in the right direction, what I Need to set so that I can create a remux without reencoding??
Thanks!

[Lathe]

Hi,
I've got a Problem with the FORCE_NOENCODE=1 Option.
BD-Rebuilder encodes my disc even if I set this Option in the ini file. Any ideas what I Need to Change, so that it doesn't reencode?? I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

Here's a log file:

[08.20.17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.21
[09:17:03] Source: DB
- Input BD size: 43,64 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:14:54.724]
- Target BD size: 46,26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[09:17:05] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:17:05] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 2)
- [09:17:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [09:22:03] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 155.337 frames
- Bitrate: 27.911 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
- [09:22:03] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 1
[09:22:23]PHASE ONE aborted by user request


And my ini:

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.21
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=F
ENABLE_TEST=1
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
ARCHIVE_265=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=1
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=1
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23000
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
TARGET_SIZE=47366
PRIORITY_CLASS=2
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
REMOVE_WORKING=1
FREE_PROCESSOR=0
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=35
AUTO_BLANK=0
AUTO_BURN=0
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
MULTIPROCESS=4
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
RESIZE_1440=0
KEEP_HD_LPCM=1
AUDIO_AMPLIFY=n
OUTPUT_3D=1
FULL_3D=Y
SWAP_3D=n
OUTPUT_3D_ISO=n
RESIZE_720=0
DISABLE_SLEEP=1
NEROAAC=0
IGNORE_3D=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
SUPTITLE=0
ENCODER=0
IMPORT_THRESHOLD=15
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=10
MENU_AUTO_BACKGROUND=1
MENU_PLAY_SEQUENTIAL=0
MENU_START_WITH_MENU=0
DSHOW=1
DECODER=2
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=0
AUDIO_DRC=0
PGSTOSRT=0
MENU_BACKGROUND=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\misc\menuback.jpg
MENU_AUDIO=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\tools\blankclip\blank.ac3
MENU_AUTO_DVDAUDIO=1
IMPORT_LIMIT_LANG=0
IMPORT_KEEP_PLAYALL=0


Can anyone point me in the right direction, what I Need to set so that I can create a remux without reencoding??
Thanks!

I am the very least of the experts here (well, with the exception maybe of gonca, depending on what he is currently smoking...) but, based upon numerous times that BDRB has 'mysteriously' re-encoded something, it almost ALWAYS is that there is something not compliant in the structure and it 'feels' that it needs to make it compliant. I know next to absolutely nothing about 3D (although I'm fairly conversant with 38DD) but, I'm guessing that there is some requirement to make it compliant.

[worknstiff]

@ geheim; RE: I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

I am even less of a guru here but I think if you are feeding BD Rebuilder a "real 3D" iso file that BD Rebuilder has to re-encode the file to change it from an SSIF file to an in-mux file. But if I am wrong which is extremely likely then it will make for an interesting comment from the "real" guru jdobbs.

[Lathe]

@ geheim; RE: I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

I am even less of a guru here but I think if you are feeding BD Rebuilder a "real 3D" iso file that BD Rebuilder has to re-encode the file to change it from an SSIF file to an in-mux file. But if I am wrong which is extremely likely then it will make for an interesting comment from the "real" guru jdobbs.

I would just like to make very clear at this point that I am much more humble and lowly than woknstiff, and that compared to my vapid nothingness, he is an arrogant son-of-a-b*tch... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[worknstiff]

@ lathe RE: he is an arrogant son-of-a-b*tch...

Oh Noooooo! You must think I'm gonca, lol.

[Lathe]

@ lathe RE: he is an arrogant son-of-a-b*tch...

Oh Noooooo! You must think I'm gonca, lol.

Oh, right! I always get you guys confused... :cool:

[geheim]

I am the very least of the experts here (well, with the exception maybe of gonca, depending on what he is currently smoking...) but, based upon numerous times that BDRB has 'mysteriously' re-encoded something, it almost ALWAYS is that there is something not compliant in the structure and it 'feels' that it needs to make it compliant. I know next to absolutely nothing about 3D (although I'm fairly conversant with 38DD) but, I'm guessing that there is some requirement to make it compliant.

Thanks, but the streams are perfectly compliant, as the disc I want to remux is produced by Scenarist. As Scenarist is a professional tool, it always outputs perfectly compliant discs, however my standalone Player has some problems with FRIM-encoded streams and SSIF structure (Scenarist can only output SSIF). These problems are solved by remuxing with BDRB using the 3d in-mux structure.

@ geheim; RE: I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

I am even less of a guru here but I think if you are feeding BD Rebuilder a "real 3D" iso file that BD Rebuilder has to re-encode the file to change it from an SSIF file to an in-mux file. But if I am wrong which is extremely likely then it will make for an interesting comment from the "real" guru jdobbs.

Yes BDRB changes from SSIF to in-mux. However, if I feed BD25 Discs to BDRB it is able to remux them WITHOUT reencoding. So Encoding is not necessary to Change the Disc structure.

Thanks anyway for trying to help me!! Perhaps @jdobbs could take a look at the issue?? Again, it works with BD25 discs, but not with BD50, perhaps there is some bug with BDRB's BD50 output size?!?

[CraigWally]

Thanks anyway for trying to help me!! Perhaps @jdobbs could take a look at the issue?? Again, it works with BD25 discs, but not with BD50, perhaps there is some bug with BDRB's BD50 output size?!?

Then input a custom size (greater than BD50) and test it :)

[zorro101]

hi
I have a problem with PseudoBD (with memu) and ps3 as player
the menu are not displayed
if, on the ps3, i push SELECT button i can see the informations, but are all at - - (ex. time --:--:-- total time --:--:-- chapter --)
i have try with hidden options RESET_PERMISSION=0 but don't change nothing
i have try to burn on BR-RE and BD-R with the same problem
have you a tricks?
thanks
best regards

[MrVideo]

however my standalone Player has some problems with FRIM-encoded streams and SSIF structure (Scenarist can only output SSIF).
The fix is real easy... get a standalone player that works correctly and accepts your authored discs. :D

[Lathe]

The fix is real easy... get a standalone player that works correctly and accepts your authored discs. :D

DOHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

[worknstiff]

RE: Lathe;1816102]DOHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif[/QUOTE]

I second that D'oh! I haven't had a Sony anything since the days of the Sony DRM rootkit. Big surprise that Sony would hamper playback of anything that has been copied, lol.

[MrVideo]

RE: DOHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif
I second that D'oh! I haven't had a Sony anything since the days of the Sony DRM rootkit. Big surprise that Sony would hamper playback of anything that has been copied, lol.
Who said that the authored disc contains any copied material? If a disc is BD compliant, the player must play it. It has no way of knowing what the content is.

[geheim]

Well my sony plays discs from Scenarist fine - problems are only with FRIM-encoded streams in Scenarist. Maybe ist my own fault (any bad setting or something) and from BD25 I knew I could fix it easily with BDRB - which doesn't work with BD50 as explained above.
And this is not only with "copied" material - I'm producing some basic 3D content myself and these also won't work with the combination of FRIM and Scenarist.

Aside from this playback issue I love my Sony and won't replace it ;) Perhaps @jdobbs can say something to BD50 always being reencoded in BDRB eventually.

[MrVideo]

Well my sony plays discs from Scenarist fine - problems are only with FRIM-encoded streams in Scenarist. Maybe ist my own fault (any bad setting or something) and from BD25 I knew I could fix it easily with BDRB - which doesn't work with BD50 as explained above.
And this is not only with "copied" material - I'm producing some basic 3D content myself and these also won't work with the combination of FRIM and Scenarist.
Maybe there is an issue with Scenarist. AIUI, that program is no longer being updated. So, if there is a bug, it won't get fixed.

[q90g0H5R]

I stumbled across a problem which was already discussed around here (back with version 1.18): When working on a BD using multiple m2ts to build one feature (most discs which offer more than one version of a film like directors cut and theatrical version, alternate endings, different credits for different countries, ...) which use DTS-HD audio, the audio tracks can't be copied to the output (neither the full DTS-HD track nor the DTS core). Whenever I try to get DTS into the output, the player mutes on m2ts breaks (sometime audio returns on the next m2ts break, sometimes it stays muted until the end).

Back in 2009 the problem was not investigated further on, after a workaround was found: Re-encoding the audio track to AC3. But I don't think, that re-encoding to the rather poor AC3 format is an acceptable solution in 2017.

Were there any improvements on this issue in the last years? Is there another solution or workaround, which I missed?

[worknstiff]

@ q90g0H5R; RE: use DTS-HD audio, the audio tracks can't be copied to the output (neither the full DTS-HD track nor the DTS core).

BD Rebuilder, at least when I use it has NO problem using DTS-HD or keeping the core, either on single m2ts or multiple m2ts disks. You did not mention what output you were encoding too. But to quote the instructions ad infinitum: WHERE???? are your logs, disks info, playback device and inspect results. The simplest way to fix MOST BD Rebuilder problems with processing disks (especially if BD Rebuilder completes successfully), is to re-move and re-install BD Rebuilder and ALL the helper programs from the FIRST page following all the instructions carefully.
Hope this helps.

[MrVideo]

What is the latest with getting BDRB to ignore non-compliant DD+ audio when reading in MKV files? I have projects stacking up because more and more files are DD+. It would be great the have the temporary BDMV layout use the DD+ audio streams, untouched. I do not want to recode the audio to plain AC3. I never click on the Backup button as the BDMV layout that is initially created is what I am looking for, as I manage the number of files imported so that the layout will fit on a 25GB disc.

[staina]

Hello, most recently me not function correctly option "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" during processing occurred error and I must use other option.

I want therefore ask what is difference between these options for Decoding/Frame serving and if have some influence on quality final videos?

Thank you staina

[worknstiff]

@ MrVideo RE: What is the latest with getting BDRB to ignore non-compliant DD+ audio.
I have noticed that the DD+5.1 gets re-encoded to AC3 2.0, instead of just being left untouched. This at least allows you to "process" mkv files where before it didn't allow them. I then have to Mkvmerge the DD+5.1 back in later. Wish there was an untouched mode.

@ staina RE: "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" during processing occurred error.
Like I posted above: The simplest way to fix MOST BD Rebuilder problems is to re-move and re-install BD Rebuilder and ALL the helper programs from the FIRST page following all the instructions carefully.

[MrVideo]

I have noticed that the DD+5.1 gets re-encoded to AC3 2.0, instead of just being left untouched. This at least allows you to "process" mkv files where before it didn't allow them. I then have to Mkvmerge the DD+5.1 back in later. Wish there was an untouched mode.
Strange. For me, BDRB just plain fails when dealing with DD+ audio. When the MKV file is imported, BDRB tries to convert it and instead errors out.

[jdobbs]

Strange. For me, BDRB just plain fails when dealing with DD+ audio. When the MKV file is imported, BDRB tries to convert it and instead errors out.It requires Directshow support for DD+ -- it is supported in the LAV Filters installation, I'm not positive about FFDSHOW.

[MrVideo]

It requires Directshow support for DD+ -- it is supported in the LAV Filters installation, I'm not positive about FFDSHOW.
You never said that before, after I reported this issue.

So, I went and installed the LAV filters. Still doesn't work:
[09/05/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.24
- Windows Version: 5.2 [3790]
- Working Path Free Space: 133.98GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.5, Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[09/05/17] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[00:51:16] Importing: Import_File
- [00:51:19] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
[00:55:28]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
This is the same result as before the LAV filter installation.

Notice that the inspector doesn't see the LAV filter installation. And yes, I even tried a reboot.

[jdobbs]

You never said that before, after I reported this issue.I can't even count the number of things I've never said before. It wouldn't have applied until the most recent release -- since it never tried to reencode DD+ before then. From the latest changes file:- Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.

I don't see "- LAVFILTERS: Ok" in your INSPECT report.

[MrVideo]

- Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.
I thought I had FFDSHOW installed. Guess not.
I don't see "- LAVFILTERS: Ok" in your INSPECT report.
Why not? It is installed in the C:\Program Files (x86) directory.

[mparade]

@jdobbs

Do you plan to support 4K main10 mkv sources?
Currently, it seems that BD-RB doesn't support this format yet or I may have missed something.

thank you for your help.

[MrVideo]

@jdobbs

Do you plan to support 4K main10 mkv sources?
Currently, it seems that BD-RB doesn't support this format yet or I may have missed something.
Think about it. 4K is not part of the Blu-ray disc specification, so what is BDRB supposed to do with 4K videos (other than to recode them down to 1080p)? jdobbs is going to have to come up with a UHDRB program in order to author content in the new specification. That also means getting a UHD burner and player.

Those are my thoughts on the situation.

[mparade]

Think about it. 4K is not part of the Blu-ray disc specification, so what is BDRB supposed to do with 4K videos (other than to recode them down to 1080p)? jdobbs is going to have to come up with a UHDRB program in order to author content in the new specification. That also means getting a UHD burner and player.

Those are my thoughts on the situation.

Sorry, it was my mistake. I didn't specify my question in details. The simple function I would be interested in at the moment is to import a file above HD resolution then reencoding it via a preset (with parameters set in the txt file coming with BD-RB) then output it as an alternate movie only output (e.g. mkv). It can be done since years now in BD-RB excluding files with resolution and bit depth above HD as far as I know. A lot of program can do it but I prefer BD-RB.

[MrVideo]

Ah, OK. But still, that isn't the goal of BDRB. The idea is to take a Blu-ray and convert a BD50 to a BD25, or take the BD as input to put the movie into a MKV wrapped file, or take MKV files and author them into a Blu-ray. To take a 4K video and wrap it into a MKV file (I'm guessing 4K -> 1080p), is not within the scope of BDRB. As you said, other programs can to that.

Again, my thoughts on the matter. I could be way off base, or maybe not.

[Lathe]

Again, my thoughts on the matter. I could be way off base...

Oh no... no way... not possible... not a chance... NEVER happen... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[MrVideo]

The dripping sarcasm has flooded my basement. :D

[Lathe]

The dripping sarcasm has flooded my basement. :D

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/back_smiley.gif

[AmigaFuture]

My Sharp LED HDTV croaked today. This is way off topic except related to MKV through BD-RB, I know, and do NOT wish or want to start any debates or arguments and some of you keep tabs on the HDTVs stuff very well. Anyone know of a good new one that plays MKV containers via USB? I'm 40 to 55". I don't care about beyond 1080p, nor do I care about 3D. Perhaps one that displays PGS as well as SRT? I'm looking around also, but...curious if anyone here has noticed something cool? Around 300 to 600 dollars would be ok. I'd order local, probably Wal-Mart Online ship to store. Not all of them indicate on the box..

My old Sharp would sometimes jitter with some 1080p's...and I had to rerender them with same resolution for that to not happen. I think today's would be better at displaying.

[MrVideo]

I suggest sending AmigaFuture a PM if you have a suggestion.

[Lathe]

I suggest sending AmigaFuture a PM if you have a suggestion.

... and I suggest that maybe I take you out into the woods for a while...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Beating a dead horse3.gif

[staina]

@ staina RE: "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" during processing occurred error.
Like I posted above: The simplest way to fix MOST BD Rebuilder problems is to re-move and re-install BD Rebuilder and ALL the helper programs from the FIRST page following all the instructions carefully.

Re-move and re-install BD Rebuilder and ALL the helper programs I'm performed and error always lasts. Error detect always, but only near some movies e.g . Fast & Furious 8. With other option Decoding/Frame serving I'm video without problems processed.

I want therefore ask what is difference between these options for Decoding/Frame serving and if have some influence on quality final videos?

Use would other option if would know as though hasn't influence on quality final videos.

Thank you staina

[worknstiff]

@ staina; RE: influence on quality final videos.

I can't really say I've seen any difference in quality. I only use internal LAVF for frame serving, and FRIM if I do 3D. I do know you can't use DGDecNV unless you buy it, and as far as I KNOW there is no quality difference in which one you use since it's only feeding the x264 encoder or FRIME the frames. YMMV and I'm sure some versions are faster but I don't think quality is affected, unless you change the encoder speed setting to use the Good, Better or leave it on the Default High Quality 2 Pass, which is what I use. The size of what you are encoding and encoding it down to is what effects QUALITY more than the encoder used, I THINK.

[Lathe]

@ staina; RE: influence on quality final videos.

I can't really say I've seen any difference in quality. I only use internal LAVF for frame serving, and FRIM if I do 3D. I do know you can't use DGDecNV unless you buy it, and as far as I KNOW there is no quality difference in which one you use since it's only feeding the x264 encoder or FRIME the frames. YMMV and I'm sure some versions are faster but I don't think quality is affected, unless you change the encoder speed setting to use the Good, Better or leave it on the Default High Quality 2 Pass, which is what I use. The size of what you are encoding and encoding it down to is what effects QUALITY more than the encoder used, I THINK.

Yep... same as above...

Also, if you WISH to do so, you can add x264 command line 'Tweaks' very easily in BDRB as long as you kind of know what you are doing. This can 'tweak' the quality a bit more if you want. Otherwise, just as the fellow said, HQ 2 pass LAVF basically does it, especially if you are going to a BD-25.

But, then again, as many say here (along with The Creator JD) if you just leave it on 'Auto' BDRB will find the 'best' balance between speed/quality. BUT... like some of us here, if you wanna squeeze a bit more or depending on the type of film / source, you can use the higher settings above.

[AmigaFuture]

I suggest sending AmigaFuture a PM if you have a suggestion.

That was the aim, mate. I should have worded it a little differently.

[AmigaFuture]

JD, I think I found a bug. I haven't done MKV to MP4 conversion in a long time. Or BD to Alternate MP4... At the moment, I'm checking MKV to MP4.

Imported some new and older MKVs. The MKVs contain SUP and SRT. During every import, whether with SUP and SRT they all show as Subtitles in BD-RB GUI. However, looking at WORKFILES, all are seen as SUPs. Not a single SRT is found.

A created MP4 from that results, of course in not having SRT access. Perhaps have a look-see?

I do not have SupTitle or Convert PGS to SRT active.

Importing: Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.mkv

TEMPIMPORT

MUXIT.META
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_1.264
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_2.AC3
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_3.AC3
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_4.AC3
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_5.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_6.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_7.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_8.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_9.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_10.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_11.SRT
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_12.SRT

WORKFILES

00000.track_4113.264
00000.track_4352.ac3
00000.track_4353.ac3
00000.track_4608.sup
00000.track_4609.sup
00000.track_4610.sup
00000.track_4611.sup
00000.track_4612.sup
AUD_00000.meta
AUD_00000_4352.AVS
AUD_00000_4353.AVS
mChapters.chp
MUX_MOVIE_ONLY.meta
VID_00000.AVS
VID_00000.CHP
VID_00000.DGI

GUI

3 Audio files (streams) to enable/disable.
8 Subtitles to enable/disable.

But in the Workfiles only have 5 SUPs. The SRT's are being converted for PSEUDO.

[MrVideo]

Trying to search this multi-page thread is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I'm trying to find the option definitions for ONEPASS_ENCODING. The default is 2. I have no idea what 0, 1 or 2 define. The hiddenoptions text file doesn't have it listed.

It seems that 2 = 1 pass encoding. I need 2 pass encoding.

Thanks.

[AmigaFuture]

Click on One-pass CRF/ABR to disable which ever is active and 2-pass will be activated.

[jdobbs]

Trying to search this multi-page thread is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I'm trying to find the option definitions for ONEPASS_ENCODING. The default is 2. I have no idea what 0, 1 or 2 define. The hiddenoptions text file doesn't have it listed.

It seems that 2 = 1 pass encoding. I need 2 pass encoding.

Thanks.That variable isn't meant to be directly edited. It is modifed from the menu SETTINGS/ENCODER SETTINGS. If it is set to "0" then one pass is disabled (2-pass encoding). If set to "1" then CRF encoding is used. If set to "2" then one-pass ABR encoding is used.

[jdobbs]

JD, I think I found a bug. I haven't done MKV to MP4 conversion in a long time. Or BD to Alternate MP4... At the moment, I'm checking MKV to MP4.

Imported some new and older MKVs. The MKVs contain SUP and SRT. During every import, whether with SUP and SRT they all show as Subtitles in BD-RB GUI. However, looking at WORKFILES, all are seen as SUPs. Not a single SRT is found.

A created MP4 from that results, of course in not having SRT access. Perhaps have a look-see?

I do not have SupTitle or Convert PGS to SRT active.

Importing: Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.mkv

TEMPIMPORT

MUXIT.META
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_1.264
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_2.AC3
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_3.AC3
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_4.AC3
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_5.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_6.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_7.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_8.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_9.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_10.SUP
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_11.SRT
Star Wars 1-The Phantom Menace.track_12.SRT

WORKFILES

00000.track_4113.264
00000.track_4352.ac3
00000.track_4353.ac3
00000.track_4608.sup
00000.track_4609.sup
00000.track_4610.sup
00000.track_4611.sup
00000.track_4612.sup
AUD_00000.meta
AUD_00000_4352.AVS
AUD_00000_4353.AVS
mChapters.chp
MUX_MOVIE_ONLY.meta
VID_00000.AVS
VID_00000.CHP
VID_00000.DGI

GUI

3 Audio files (streams) to enable/disable.
8 Subtitles to enable/disable.

But in the Workfiles only have 5 SUPs. The SRT's are being converted for PSEUDO.The BD standard doesn't allow SRT subs, so when the SRT subs are imported they are converted to SUP. But... BD-RB retains them (as SRTs) in the PSEUDO folder. If you select to keep one of the SRT subs, and you output to MKV or MP4, BD-RB will use the SRT from PSEUDO.

Try selecting to only keep only the last two subs in the GUI...

[MrVideo]

That variable isn't meant to be directly edited. It is modifed from the menu SETTINGS/ENCODER SETTINGS. If it is set to "0" then one pass is disabled (2-pass encoding). If set to "1" then CRF encoding is used. If set to "2" then one-pass ABR encoding is used.
Thanks.

At first I didn't see such a setting. On a whim, I clicked on the automatic and opened it again and there they were.

Suggestion: Have all of the settings below automatic there, but grayed out. Then, when the automatic is turned off, they are no longer grayed out (without the dialog box going away).

[MrVideo]

@jdobb:
Any idea as to why BDRB is not seeing the LAVfilter install?

[jdobbs]

I thought I had FFDSHOW installed. Guess not.

Why not? It is installed in the C:\Program Files (x86) directory.Did you use the recommended version from the first post? When LAV Filters are correctly installed, the registry is updated. BD Rebuilder looks for this registry entry to see if it is installed (64 bit):

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID\{278407C2-558C-4BED-83A0-B6FA454200BD}\InprocServer32

For a 32 bit system it is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{278407C2-558C-4BED-83A0-B6FA454200BD}\InprocServer32

It does the same for the LAV splitter.

[MrVideo]

Did you use the recommended version from the first post?
Yep
When LAV Filters are correctly installed, the registry is updated. BD Rebuilder looks for this registry entry to see if it is installed (64 bit):

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID\{278407C2-558C-4BED-83A0-B6FA454200BD}\InprocServer32

For a 32 bit system it is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{278407C2-558C-4BED-83A0-B6FA454200BD}\InprocServer32
Both are there and the default entry contains:
C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x86\LAVVideo.ax
When does it look for the entry?

[MrVideo]

I've discovered that BDRB can handle H.264/4.2.2 videos and when the Backup is done, the recoding is done at H.264/4.2.0, which allows me to edit the files with VideoReDo.

But, I've run into an issue. The CW promo feed from 9/11 has no issues. But 24 hrs later, the CW promo feed is considered to be VFR, when in fact it is not. Both files are from the same satellite transponder, which is up 24/7.

MediaInfo for the promo feed from 9/11:
General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : G:\BD-Rebuilder\CW-promos\CW-H264-promos-170911-422.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 674 MiB
Duration : 4mn 57s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 19.0 Mbps
Movie name : Program Name

Video
ID : 142 (0x8E)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High 4:2:2@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 4mn 57s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 15.2 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.245
Stream size : 530 MiB (79%)
For 9/12:
General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : G:\BD-Rebuilder\CW-promos\CW-H264-promos-170912-422.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 1 000 MiB
Duration : 7mn 21s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 19.0 Mbps
Movie name : Program Name

Video
ID : 142 (0x8E)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High 4:2:2@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 7mn 21s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 15.2 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.245
Stream size : 787 MiB (79%)
Here is the log file for the two files:
----------------------
[01:43:20] Importing: CW-H264-PROMOS-170911-42
- [01:43:21] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Preparing TS for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, MP2 to AC3...
- Converting audio, Track #3, MP2 to AC3...
- Converting audio, Track #4, MP2 to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [01:43:52] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
[01:43:58]ERROR: Failed quick menu creation. No menus.
[01:43:58] Video import completed successfully.
----------------------
[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.24
[01:44:00] Source: CW-H264-PROMOS-170911-42
- Input BD size: 0.19 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:04:57.982]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 5.2 [3790]
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[01:44:06] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [01:44:06] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
- [01:44:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [01:44:15] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 8,931 frames
- Bitrate: 35,000 Kbs
- [01:44:15] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [01:47:26] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [01:55:03] Video Encode complete
- [01:55:03] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Keeping original audio
- [01:55:03] Multiplexing M2TS
[01:55:14]PHASE ONE complete
[01:55:14]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [01:55:14] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[01:55:17] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[01:55:17] JOB: CW-H264-PROMOS-170911-42 finished.
----------------------
[02:00:42] Importing: CW-H264-PROMOS-170912-42
- [02:00:44] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Preparing TS for processing...
- Scanning for Variable Frame Rate...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting VFR source to CFR format...
- Converting audio, Track #2, MP2 to AC3...
- Converting audio, Track #3, MP2 to AC3...
- Converting audio, Track #4, MP2 to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [02:05:26] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[02:05:35] Video import completed successfully.
----------------------
[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.24
[02:13:54] Source: CW-H264-PROMOS-170912-42
- Input BD size: 0.55 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:07:22.843]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 5.2 [3790]
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[02:14:01] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [02:14:01] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
- [02:14:01] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [02:14:21] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 59.940fps, 26,512 frames
- Bitrate: 35,000 Kbs
- [02:14:21] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [02:20:00] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [02:30:14] Video Encode complete
- [02:30:14] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Keeping original audio
- [02:30:14] Multiplexing M2TS
[02:30:30]PHASE ONE complete
[02:30:30]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [02:30:30] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[02:30:34] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[02:30:34] JOB: CW-H264-PROMOS-170912-42 finished.
I have no idea how to keep BDRB from scanning for VFR, as it is getting false positives.

BTW, the filenames are getting truncated. They should end in "-422".

Added: No matter what the filename is, the last character is being truncated. So filename.ts has a source name of "filenam".

[AmigaFuture]

I wanted to go with something easier. Less SUP or SRT "complicated". So, I picked a movie I've merged only 1 SRT for. I kept the 1st Subtitle enabled.

[19:03:11] Importing MKV: BLAZING_SADDLES
- Scanning for Variable Frame Rate...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[19:15:16] Video import completed successfully.
----------------------
[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[19:17:24] Source: BLAZING_SADDLES_00000
- Input BD size: 16.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:32:51.774]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MP4, Intact Video, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=448
[19:17:26] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:17:26] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [19:17:26] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [19:24:00] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [19:24:00] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:24:00] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
[19:24:00]PHASE ONE complete
[19:24:00]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [19:24:00] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MP4BOX)
[19:24:01] - Failed to REBUILD

Disabling 1st Subtitle and enabling last.

[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[19:35:33] Source: BLAZING_SADDLES_00000
- Input BD size: 16.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:32:51.774]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MP4, Intact Video, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=448
[19:35:36] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:35:36] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [19:35:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [19:40:20] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [19:40:20] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:40:20] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
[19:40:20]PHASE ONE complete
[19:40:20]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [19:40:20] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MP4BOX)
[19:40:20] - Failed to REBUILD


Maybe there's something funky with AC3 with MP4Box, I don't recall. I'll switch to AAC output..

[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[19:43:01] Source: BLAZING_SADDLES_00000
- Input BD size: 16.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:32:51.774]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MP4, Intact Video, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=448
[19:43:05] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:43:05] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [19:43:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [19:47:19] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [19:47:19] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:47:19] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AAC...
- Track 4353 (eng): Reencoding audio to AAC...
[19:53:50]PHASE ONE complete
[19:53:50]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [19:53:50] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MP4BOX)
[19:53:50] - Failed to REBUILD


That's not it... Hmm..

PINFO.INF
[TextSubs]
00000=ENG_0000_001.SRT

ENG_0000_001.SRT is there at 71.9KB.

Workfiles:

00000.track_4113.vc1
00000.track_4352.ac3
00000.track_4353.ac3
00000.track_4608.sup
00000.track_4609.sup
00000.track_4610.sup
AUD_00000.meta
AUD_00000_4352.AAC
AUD_00000_4352.AVS
AUD_00000_4353.AAC
AUD_00000_4353.AVS
mChapters.chp
MUX_MOVIE_ONLY.meta
VID_00000.AVS
VID_00000.CHP
VID_00000.DGI

So the SRT is being converted into SUP which isn't what I want. A great idea otherwise. But shouldn't Tesseract be enabled for that to happen?

[AmigaFuture]

Ha....I had forgotten.......that MP4Box doesn't deal with VC1. Or rather, MP4 doesn't allow for VC1. Those have to be converted. Next is SUP. SUPs are ignored by MP4. Which is why every time I check a finished project Subtitles of any kind are empty. Unsure why BD-RB is converting SRT to SUP.

[AmigaFuture]

I decided to switch to MKV & import. I'm well aware that I didn't have to switch BD-RB first, but...


[22:15:17] Importing MKV: BLAZING_SADDLES
- Scanning for Variable Frame Rate...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[22:27:40] Video import completed successfully.
----------------------
[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[22:31:58] Source: BLAZING_SADDLES_00000
- Input BD size: 16.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:32:51.774]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV, Intact Video, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=448
[22:31:58] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [22:31:58] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [22:31:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [22:38:26] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [22:38:26] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [22:38:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
[22:38:26]PHASE ONE complete
[22:38:26]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [22:38:26] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MKVMERGE)
[22:38:28] - Failed to REBUILD
[09/13/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.23
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 144.01GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[09/13/17] Systems Settings Check complete


The 3 Subtitle streams were enabled. Disabling 2 and 3.. Starting fresh.

[09/13/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[22:42:38] Source: BLAZING_SADDLES_00000
- Input BD size: 16.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:32:51.774]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV, Intact Video, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=448
[22:42:41] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [22:42:41] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [22:42:41] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [22:49:07] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [22:49:07] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [22:49:07] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
[22:49:07]PHASE ONE complete
[22:49:07]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [22:49:07] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MKVMERGE)
[22:49:09] - Failed to REBUILD


00000.track_4113.vc1
00000.track_4352.ac3
00000.track_4608.sup
00000.track_4609.sup
00000.track_4610.sup
AUD_00000.meta
AUD_00000_4352.AVS
ENG_0000_001.SRT
mChapters.chp
MUX_MOVIE_ONLY.meta
VID_00000.AVS
VID_00000.CHP
VID_00000.DGI

None of which are empty.

[AmigaFuture]

Hellooo, hello everyone. I've switched over to MKVs for a bit since I know that accepts, or should, everything. I attempted to convert one of my MKV Movies, which the name doesn't matter, that has 2 PGS and 1 SRT. I've enabled all Subtitles in BD-RB's GUI. The output MKV only has SRT in it. I confirmed this with MKVmerge GUI and MPC-HC. Checking more files.

[jdobbs]

Hellooo, hello everyone. I've switched over to MKVs for a bit since I know that accepts, or should, everything. I attempted to convert one of my MKV Movies, which the name doesn't matter, that has 2 PGS and 1 SRT. I've enabled all Subtitles in BD-RB's GUI. The output MKV only has SRT in it. I confirmed this with MKVmerge GUI and MPC-HC. Checking more files.BD-RB doesn't add PGS streams to MKV files. About all it will do with a PGS (to an MKV) is attempt to create an SRT from it (but it is limited).

[AmigaFuture]

I know BD-RB doesn't add them. But could have been a typo in the BD-RB code that passes the info to mkvmerge. I'm checking with a little older version of mkvmergeerge see if that "fixes" what I've noticed.

[MrVideo]

@jdobbs: any ideas regarding the two issues that I have open?

[jdobbs]

I know BD-RB doesn't add them. But could have been a typo in the BD-RB code that passes the info to mkvmerge. I'm checking with a little older version of mkvmerge/extract see if that "fixes" what I've noticed.Assuming MKVMERGE accepts PGS streams, I'll add a hidden option that instructs BD-RB to keep selected PGS streams as-is (when SupTitle() conversion isn't selected, and the original stream wasn't SRT).

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs: any ideas regarding the two issues that I have open?Not sure what to do. LAVF seems to be working ok for me. As for the VFR scanning, you might try setting IMPORT_VFR_SCAN=0 in your INI -- but it should default to "0" anyway unless it has been changed.. If, though, MEDIAINFO identifies the frame rate as "Variable" -- it will do it anyway.

[AmigaFuture]

Assuming MKVMERGE accepts PGS streams, I'll add a hidden option that instructs BD-RB to keep selected PGS streams as-is (when SupTitle() conversion isn't selected, and the original stream wasn't SRT).

Okie-dokie. It does since the GUI passes all into to merge.

I thought BD-RB had been passing PGS (SUP) and SRT to MKV all along, but no. I had been converting my BD's to MKV and disc for a while, as well as importing MKVs to make BDs to get around Cinivia and other stuff. Not noticing SRT wasn't being retained but converted. OOps! Usually I'm more astute than that. Hmm..

May I sneak in *hehe hehe* a request? Mark SRTs as SRT in the GUI rather than PGS_XXX_Language? Like SRT_XXX_Language? That way we all know which is which, from beginner to advanced users?

[AmigaFuture]

Assuming MKVMERGE accepts PGS streams, I'll add a hidden option that instructs BD-RB to keep selected PGS streams as-is (when SupTitle() conversion isn't selected, and the original stream wasn't SRT).

Coming back to this.. This would mean SRT is still converted to SUP...even if keeping SRT is the desire for MKV import to be converted to MKV again OR MP4. MP4 rejects PGS streams but not SRT. If a corrected SRT is used, why have to convert it again?

That is what my recently checking was for. To keep SRT from either within the MKV container or outside of it but have it retained and usable with MKV/MP3 alternate. I prefer within, because some of my backups have multiple SRTs.

[MrVideo]

Not sure what to do. LAVF seems to be working ok for me.
Just when is the check for LAV install done?
As for the VFR scanning, you might try setting IMPORT_VFR_SCAN=0 in your INI -- but it should default to "0" anyway unless it has been changed.. If, though, MEDIAINFO identifies the frame rate as "Variable" -- it will do it anyway.
It is in my INI and it is set to 0. As can seen by the posting, the Mediainfo output shows no variable frame rate. I just ran the Mediainfo that is in your Tools directory and it shows the exact same results as the version I am using, i.e., no VFR.

I can send you a small sample that you can look at.

I wouldn't mind so much if the resulting file was 29.97fps interlaced, but it comes out as 59.94 fps. Each frame is duplicated.

Maybe a IMPORT_VFR_SCAN=2 setting where it means do not do VFR checking under any circumstances.

[SquallMX]

Audio selection is faulty on WBs discs after blanking some titles.

[MrVideo]

Audio selection is faulty on WBs discs after blanking some titles.
jdobbs is going to need a lot more info than that.

[staina]

Application x264L - 64.exe me in different parts processing falls, see error dump from window below:


Name events problem: APPCRASH
Name application: x264L-64.exe
Version application: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp application: 569d4b9b
Name incorrect module: x264L-64.exe
Version incorrect module: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp incorrect module: 569d4b9b
Code exception: c000001d
Shift exception: 000000000023370d
Version operating system: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
ID national environment: 1033
Next information 1: 62b9
Next information 2: 62b912cee843efabb3e23eb3c2bcb8
Next information 3: 5dbb
Next information 4: 5dbb00d83bfa0590eeee90fc96153e



Names events problem: BEX64
Name application: x264L-64.exe
Version application: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp application: 569d4b9b
Name incorrect module: StackHash_0e6a
Version incorrect module: 0.0.0.0
Clock stamp incorrect module: 00000000
Shift exception: 0000000004c4fb28
Code exception: c0000005
Data exception: 0000000000000008
Version operating system: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
ID national environment: 1033
Next information 1: 0e6a
Next information 2: 0e6a129dfb5d0f7bc9ef3f6f766ce9
Next information 3: b548
Next information 4: b54816bd1dd91a75016123ca0ca639


Thank for fixed and new release. Staina

[jdobbs]

Are you overclocked? That's usually the reason for an X264 crash. If so, slow down the clock a little and try again.

[jdobbs]

Just when is the check for LAV install done?At startup, and again anytime you save and exit from the "View/Edit Config File" menu option.

It also checks:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID\{171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}\InprocServer32

or

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}\InprocServer32

(depending on 32/64 bit Windows) to make sure the LAV Splitter is installed.

[jdobbs]

Okie-dokie. It does since the GUI passes all into to merge.

I thought BD-RB had been passing PGS (SUP) and SRT to MKV all along, but no. I had been converting my BD's to MKV and disc for a while, as well as importing MKVs to make BDs to get around Cinivia and other stuff. Not noticing SRT wasn't being retained but converted. OOps! Usually I'm more astute than that. Hmm..

May I sneak in *hehe hehe* a request? Mark SRTs as SRT in the GUI rather than PGS_XXX_Language? Like SRT_XXX_Language? That way we all know which is which, from beginner to advanced users?That's kinda' correct, but not completely. Yes, SRTs are converted to SUP (so they are BD compliant) during import into the PSEUDO-BD folder. But... the original SRT is retained as well (in the PSEUDO folder). Then when you run a ALTERNATE job (to make an MKV) against the PSEUDO-BD folder, BD-RB recognizes that an SRT exists and adds it to the MKV. MKV players like SRT subtitles, but most won't recognize PGS streams (there are probably some that do, but I'm not familiar with them).

I was just going through the code and noticed something... I already added the option to keep the SUPs some time ago apparently (long enough [2012] that I didn't remember it). Look at this option in HIDDENOPTS.TXT:

MKV_MUXSUPS=n n = 0/1 - If set to "1" (default), ALTERNATE/MKV output will include selected .SUP subtitles

It started defaulting to "1" in 2013, so by default the selected SUPs should be included in the MKV file... :o

I think I did it so that an MKV file created with BD-RB could later be imported to BD without losing the original subtitles.

[MrVideo]

At startup, and again anytime you save and exit from the "View/Edit Config File" menu option.

It also checks:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID\{171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}\InprocServer32
Default = C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x86\LAVSplitter.ax
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}\InprocServer32
Default = C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x64\LAVSplitter.ax

The LAVVideo and LAVSplitter AX files are in the locations indicated.

Versions 18 and 20 do not find them either. But, as you can see, it is there on my system (XP-64).

Is there a test version I can run, or set up some added debugging info?

[jdobbs]

Default = C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x86\LAVSplitter.ax

Default = C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x64\LAVSplitter.ax

The LAVVideo and LAVSplitter AX files are in the locations indicated.

Versions 18 and 20 do not find them either. But, as you can see, it is there on my system (XP-64).

Is there a test version I can run, or set up some added debugging info?Go to the HELP menu and run INSPECT again. It's really odd that it wouldn't be showing up.

Try right-clicking on BD-RB and "Run as Administrator". Then do INSPECT again. I'm wondering if it is an access issue.

[MrVideo]

Go to the HELP menu and run INSPECT again. It's really odd that it wouldn't be showing up.
Not there.
Try right-clicking on BD-RB and "Run as Administrator". Then do INSPECT again. I'm wondering if it is an access issue.
I do not have a separate administrator account on the XP-64 box. But, doing this shows that the current user is administrator. I unchecked the run with restricted rights and it did not make a difference.

UPDATE: For shits-and-grins, I installed LAV Filters, AVISynth 2.6.0 and BDRB 24 on the Win7-64 box. When BDRB started it complained about the LAV filters not being configured correctly. Once I let it configure it, it shows up in the inspection list.

Could this be an issue with the XP-64 install, since I installed the LAV filters after BDRB and therefore it didn't get to configure it the way you need it configured?

[MrVideo]

OK, I ran the file with DD+ thru BDRB on the Win7 box and it is not doing as expected, which explains why the XP-64 version is doing what it is trying to do (without the LAV filters).

BDRB is supposed to leave the DD+ audio alone during the first stage, where it builds the BDRB structure. Instead it is converting EAC3 to AC3. That is not what we wanted.

Do not convert DD+ to AC3 until the Backup stage is run.

If you leave the DD+ alone, i.e., just copy it over, then I suspect that the XP-64 version will not error out because LAV wasn't there.

Please don't say that you need to convert DD+ because it isn't Blu-ray compliant. Well, neither can videos be compliant and those are left alone until Backup time. I know, I've imported some videos that my Blu-ray player would not play and I dealt with that.

[staina]

Are you overclocked? That's usually the reason for an X264 crash. If so, slow down the clock a little and try again.

Not overclocked. Standard clock for Ryzen 5 1600X.

[jdobbs]

BDRB is supposed to leave the DD+ audio alone during the first stage, where it builds the BDRB structure.Not true. It can't leave it alone, because it isn't compliant (it doesn't have a core). There are lots and lots of dependencies based on that -- and I'd have to rewrite a significant amount of code to cover all the bases. I'm not willing to do that just so someone can keep a non-compliant EAC3 rather than a compliant AC3 stream.Please don't say that you need to convert DD+ because it isn't Blu-ray compliant.Sorry... my program, my rules.

[jdobbs]

Not overclocked. Standard clock for Ryzen 5 1600X.Is it possible the source is corrupt? X264 is pretty rock-solid -- I would suspect almost anything else first.

[AmigaFuture]

That's kinda' correct, but not completely. Yes, SRTs are converted to SUP (so they are BD compliant) during import into the PSEUDO-BD folder. But... the original SRT is retained as well (in the PSEUDO folder). Then when you run a ALTERNATE job (to make an MKV) against the PSEUDO-BD folder, BD-RB recognizes that an SRT exists and adds it to the MKV. MKV players like SRT subtitles, but most won't recognize PGS streams (there are probably some that do, but I'm not familiar with them).

I was just going through the code and noticed something... I already added the option to keep the SUPs some time ago apparently (long enough [2012] that I didn't remember it). Look at this option in HIDDENOPTS.TXT:

MKV_MUXSUPS=n n = 0/1 - If set to "1" (default), ALTERNATE/MKV output will include selected .SUP subtitles

It started defaulting to "1" in 2013, so by default the selected SUPs should be included in the MKV file... :o

I think I did it so that an MKV file created with BD-RB could later be imported to BD without losing the original subtitles.

Right, all this agree with. Hmm.. I think I wasn't clear enough. I shall attempt to break it a bit more because I'm think I'm being misunderstood.

SUP files are being brought into MKVs fine. I remember the creation of MKV_MUXSUPS=n and that it became 1 as default. I was very happy about that. I do recall. Hehe. What my aim has been is focus on SRT files for MKV and MP4.

SRTs are being converted and imported into MKV fine. But since MP4 doesn't allow for them (yet), they're being rejected by MP4Box, makes sense. I've also been testing that outside of BD-RB because I'd forgotten. Like you, it's been some time. I don't use MP4 container often.

When my T.V. when kaput...and I bought another, I noticed the first few MKV's SRT's were not being read or noticed within the container. Checked documents and there isn't any, anymore for most T.V.s now. Argh! Which is why I asked the question here. So, I did the next step to be sure T.V.'s USB "Movie" feature is working correctly. I extracted SRT which was below the PGS streams. I didn't realize or notice or consider that THAT is the challenge as to why SRTs aren't being read. So, extracted and renamed SRT to match "Movie.srt"... Voila!! "Okay, why Not from the container?"

I still didn't notice, or consider the PGS's are above the SRT in MKVs.

I started checking with MP4 container, thinking there's a preference by LG in their newer WebOS features. That's when I noticed BD-RB, or some process isn't injecting the SRT into MKV or MP4 _when_ importing an MKV.

Still, I hadn't reflected about PGS's in MKV at this point. So, I started messing with BD-RB and MKVmerge's GUI some. As well as YAMB.

Dead-end...not going anywhere. "Is it Inside the MKV??" I started checking that. With a test of using MKV's GUI I shifted the SRT above the multiple PGS sreams. Star Wars for the example, and noticed the T.V. from USB now allows me to select from multiple SRT streams. Wooohoo!! HAHA!

In the meantime, I also learned that BD-RB is injecting SRT when it's created from Tesseract...from BD. But not when importing an MKV to Alternate MKV to remove PGS, as I was doing that to only test stuff. So, if you download an SRT from somewhere and add it using MKVMERGE GUI, and later import into BD-RB the SRT is being converted, not left alone and injected at MKV creation. That's what I was hoping for.

So, I learned multiple things buying a new T.V., and I hope this helps to clarify what I thought might be a bug AND the reason for my request. :-D I was a bit confused annnnnd.....slightly frustrated for a little while. Not towards you, but why SRT wasn't working. Never tested, since 2012, that the order of SRTs would matter to anything. Ha!

Now you know why I requested the ability to inject SRTs into MKV (without converting to SUP; by way of Hidden Option) and MP4 (which seems to happen automatically by MP4Box but into a different format instead of leaving it SRT)... I thought MP4 was already being done, but I...admit I didn't recall.

:D Hope that helps, JD.

P.S. If anyone is interested, the LG Smart TV with WebOS plays MKV containers fantastic. I haven't noticed ANY glitches. Using lossless video and DTS or rerendered DTS to AC3 works great also. Only thing, doesn't read PGS or chapters but has very functional skip/FF.

Another donation coming soon, as I'm reminded just how cool and helpful BD-RB is.

[MrVideo]

Not true. It can't leave it alone, because it isn't compliant (it doesn't have a core). There are lots and lots of dependencies based on that -- and I'd have to rewrite a significant amount of code to cover all the bases. I'm not willing to do that just so someone can keep a non-compliant EAC3 rather than a compliant AC3 stream.
As I said, at that stage of the game, who cares if it is compliant or not. Non-compliant video is allowed to pass. When the Backup stage is done, then it can convert to AC3. Isn't it simple to call the DD+ to AC3 subroutine from the Backup stage and just not call it from the initial stage?

That said, I'm not the only one. I'm sure the list will grow.

Any update on the VFR issue? Mediainfo reports that it isn't VFR, yet VFR still happens.

[MrVideo]

Why am I so against recoding DD+ to AC3? Dolby Digital was not designed/meant to be recoded. Minute errors and artifacts are introduced when doing so. The ABC network used to delivery AC3 @ 640k to it affiliates, but stopped doing so. I suspect because of the recoding issue. Instead they now deliver MP2 streams that are now recoded to AC3 5.1. Is that any better? I really do not know. NBC uses the same delivery method. Unfortunately the PBS network satellite delivery is AC3. But, since I capture that feed, there is no recoding on my part. The CW and CBS use Dolby-E, which was designed for recoding at the broadcast end for air. I too recode that to AC3 5.1 @ 640k.

Unless the DD+ is left alone in the first stage, for those of us who need it, I will be forced to recode to DTS. Why DTS? I can recode at a higher bitrate, which will hopefully reduce any minute errors and artifacts during the recoding process. Do I have any proof? Nope. But it has to be better than recoding EAC3 to AC3.

[MrVideo]

BDRB is getting a false positive. I do not know how, since mediainfo seems to be reporting that the video is CFR, which it really is.

I had an idea as to why it is happening. I try and capture the sat feed with the Tandberg IRD via ASI. But sometimes the signal will not lock and I have to use the consumer TeVii USB receiver. Both receivers are used to capture the satellite transport streams as TS files. But, for some reason, the TS file captured by the TeVii trips up BDRB into thinking that the video is VFR. Why it trips up BDRB is unknown.

I need a way to override the VFR scanning and related VFR-CFR conversion. As previously reported that process screws up and produces 59.94 video instead of leaving it at 29.97.

To help find out why things are going wrong, I can supply a 100MB sample to be analyzed.

Thanks.

[MrVideo]

As JD mentions above, 'tweak' is a simple but excellent Avisynth filter to use.
He also said the it can be found under SETUP. But, when I do Settings->Setup, I find no such area in which to add AVISynth filters.

I want to try adding SelectEvery(2,0) in order to get rid of the double frames caused by the improper operation of VFR->CFR (see above posts regarding this issue).

I need to try something until this issue is resolved.

Thanks.

[Lathe]

He also said the it can be found under SETUP. But, when I do Settings->Setup, I find no such area in which to add AVISynth filters.

I want to try adding SelectEvery(2,0) in order to get rid of the double frames caused by the improper operation of VFR->CFR (see above posts regarding this issue).

I need to try something until this issue is resolved.

Thanks.

Heh, okay... there is NO possible way a smart guy like you could possibly have missed this, but, just in case... :)

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/AVS01.gif

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/AVS02.gif

[varekai]

Heh, okay... there is NO possible way a smart guy like you could possibly have missed this, but, just in case... :)
That's funny... :D

[MrVideo]

Heh, okay... there is NO possible way a smart guy like you could possibly have missed this, but, just in case... :)
I was looking for a box in which to enter the text. I wasn't expecting a checkbox having to be ticked first. Silly me for thinking that. Oh well.

Thanks.

[AmigaFuture]

Sometimes the most simple solution is the best..even when we see it and we recognize it's a little different than we thought; but still don't check it because it's not what we thought. I remember the first time I wanted to enter in something also and notice the option to check. So I did. ;-)

Lathe, I will admit, too, that was funny. But the Ugly Windows 10 would have been what fooled me... Not. :-)

[SquallMX]

jdobbs is going to need a lot more info than that.

When blanking titles without an audio track (mostly annoying legal warnings) BDRebuilder replace them with a black screen of 0.480 secs with an audio track (audio id 1100). This causes a error in the internal logic of most Warner titles related to predefined audio tracks for languages other than English, that results in the main movie playing using the main audio track (audio id 1100) instead of the proper dub track (audio id 1101/1102/1103...).

[Lathe]

I was looking for a box in which to enter the text. I wasn't expecting a checkbox having to be ticked first. Silly me for thinking that. Oh well.

Thanks.

Sure thing mate. The reason I knew about it is that I've actually used it before, so that's why... :) Not being an AVS expert, I don't know if there are any limits to the script you can use, but for the basic stuff I do (tweak, etc.) it seems to work okay.

[MrVideo]

Well, that didn't work. The frame rate is still an incorrect 59.94fps. I'm sorry, but this needs to be fixed. Relying on MediaInfo, which is getting a false positive, is causing BDRB to do things it isn't supposed to. There needs to be an override option to force no VFR.

[jdobbs]

Well, that didn't work. The frame rate is still an incorrect 59.94fps. I'm sorry, but this needs to be fixed. Relying on MediaInfo, which is getting a false positive, is causing BDRB to do things it isn't supposed to. There needs to be an override option to force no VFR.Try setting "IMPORT_VFR_SCAN=1" If set, BD-RB will collect all the timecodes and check for VFR itself. I'll have to check whether it will override MEDIAINFO.

Interestingly, I rarely have ever seen a false positive on VFR.

[TatanScorp]

When I import a MKV file into BDrebuilder it reads "Importing MKV"
then "Collecting audio/video streams from source" After building a pseodo Bd structure Bd rebuilder shows only a vid and subtitle track but no audio. It's a Atmos tract but at least it should show 7.1 tract. How do I get the audio?

Thanks

[MrVideo]

Try setting "IMPORT_VFR_SCAN=1" If set, BD-RB will collect all the timecodes and check for VFR itself. I'll have to check whether it will override MEDIAINFO.
It still does VFR to CFR, doubling the frame rate.
Interestingly, I rarely have ever seen a false positive on VFR.
I have a 100MB test file that I can upload for you to use as a test.

[jdobbs]

It still does VFR to CFR, doubling the frame rate.

I have a 100MB test file that I can upload for you to use as a test.I'd appreciate it if I can get the file.

[jdobbs]

When I import a MKV file into BDrebuilder it reads "Importing MKV"
then "Collecting audio/video streams from source" After building a pseodo Bd structure Bd rebuilder shows only a vid and subtitle track but no audio. It's a Atmos tract but at least it should show 7.1 tract. How do I get the audio?

ThanksI don't think I've ever tried importing an Atmos track. But... I believe it isn't a legal audio track for blu-ray unless it is inside a Dolby TrueHD wrapper. I can tell you this -- in the version of the BD standard that I have (a few years old) there isn't a single reference to the term "Atmos". My guess is that TSMUXER rejects it -- but, as I said, I've never actually tried.

[MrVideo]

But... I believe it isn't a legal audio track for blu-ray unless it is inside a Dolby TrueHD wrapper.
Or Dolby Digital Plus.

[jdobbs]

The test file is here (http://vidiot.com/CW-H264-test-170923-422.ts).
Once you have it, I will delete it. If need be, I can get you one that works.Got it.

[TatanScorp]

I don't think I've ever tried importing an Atmos track. But... I believe it isn't a legal audio track for blu-ray unless it is inside a Dolby TrueHD wrapper. I can tell you this -- in the version of the BD standard that I have (a few years old) there isn't a single reference to the term "Atmos". My guess is that TSMUXER rejects it -- but, as I said, I've never actually tried.


I don't get it. I'm getting the Atmos tract off of a Blu-ray disk, and yes TSmuxer doesn't recognize the track. Isn't the Atmos just meta data plus the Dolby True HD 7.1? The two Blu-rays I have with Atmos are John Wick and John Wick 2.

[jdobbs]

I don't get it. I'm getting the Atmos tract off of a Blu-ray disk, and yes TSmuxer doesn't recognize the track. Isn't the Atmos just meta data plus the Dolby True HD 7.1? The two Blu-rays I have with Atmos are John Wick and John Wick 2.Kinda', yes, but... there's an independent track contained in it. The problem is that on a Blu-Ray disc it is packaged together with a normal Dolby track (as one stream) so it is treated as an extension to it. When an MKV is created they are separated. Unless they are recombined it is not a legal track. That makes sense since Atmos isn't officially a part of the standard. The same concept applies to other audio types as well. Support for Atmos is optional but not required -- so there has to be a fallback audio stream for players that don't support it.

The bottom line is that the audio track you are trying to mux isn't a legal Blu-Ray audio track -- so, as would be expected, it is rejected.

[MrVideo]

When an MKV is created they are separated. Unless they are recombined it is not a legal track.
I was curious about this, so I went looking for info and found a site that has a boatload of Dolby trailers, several of which have ATMOS.

I used mkvmerge to look at the content of one of them and there was just one video stream and one audio stream (TrueHD Atmos).

It looks like the author of tsmuxer is going to have to update his program to accept TrueHD-Atmos audio streams. Until then BDRB is going to end up without the audio stream because tsmuxer doesn't like it.

[MrVideo]

Got it.
OK, deleted. Let me know if you want a sample where BDRB doesn't think it is VFR.

[jdobbs]

I was curious about this, so I went looking for info and found a site that has a boatload of Dolby trailers, several of which have ATMOS.

I used mkvmerge to look at the content of one of them and there was just one video stream and one audio stream (TrueHD Atmos).

It looks like the author of tsmuxer is going to have to update his program to accept TrueHD-Atmos audio streams. Until then BDRB is going to end up without the audio stream because tsmuxer doesn't like it.If it is TrueHD-Atmos it will likely accept it. My guess would be the ones that fail would be Atmos only...

[jdobbs]

OK, deleted. Let me know if you want a sample where BDRB doesn't think it is VFR.The timecodes indicate VFR since there isn't consistent separation. Here is a short partial look at some display timecodes (in ms):
352
418
452
485
518
552
585
619
635
652
669
685
685
702
702
719
719
735
735
752
752
769
769
785
785
802
819
835
852
869
886
902
919
936
952
969
986
1002
1019
1036
1052
1069
1086
1102
1119
1136
1152
1169
1186
1202
1219
1236
1253
1269
1286
1303
1319
1336
1353
1369
1386
1403
1419
1436
1453
1469
1486
1503
1519
1536
1553
1570
1586
1603
1620
1636
1653
1670
1686
1703
1720
1736
1753
1770
1786
1803
1820
1836
1853
1870
1887
1903
1920
1937
1953
1970
1987
2003
2020Just guessing, it looks like some of the frames have two fields with the same display timecode and others (most) have two fields that are temporally separated. I don't think that's normal. With that said, it also looks like BD-RB is mixing up the field timecodes with frame timecodes, causing the framerate speedup.

[Edit] I just checked a couple other interlaced sources. They only include timecodes for frames (not fields) -- so I guess that's why the issue with framerate doubling hasn't occurred before. When BD-RB scans and determines VFR, it has to then use the minimum separation of timecodes to determine the actual underlying frame rate.

Also, I'm pretty sure the non-temporally separated display timecodes on the fields is also why MEDIAINFO is also reporting the rate as "Variable". I'm going to have to write code for special cases when each field includes a timecode to prevent framerate doubling. But that won't necessarily prevent what we saw here with the determination of VFR caused by consecutive identical timecodes... I'll have to give that some more thought.

[Lathe]

I don't get it. I'm getting the Atmos tract off of a Blu-ray disk, and yes TSmuxer doesn't recognize the track. Isn't the Atmos just meta data plus the Dolby True HD 7.1? The two Blu-rays I have with Atmos are John Wick and John Wick 2.

So far TSMuxer has never accepted an MKV file where the the original TrueHD track has been muxed in with it. As JD said, AFAIK, EVERY time you convert or mux a TrueHD track to MKV it always rips out the AC3 core. It is an easy fix though. All you have to do is use EAC3to or with the GUI like I do, UsEac3to, drop in the MKV file, choose the True track, and select as your output THD+AC3. That way, EAC3to puts the AC3 core back into the file (thus now making it 'legal') and the resulting THD+AC3 file WILL now be accepted by TSMuxer. As far as the Atmos stuff, that I'm not sure about...

[MrVideo]

So far TSMuxer has never accepted an MKV file where the the original TrueHD track has been muxed in with it.
But, the tsmuxer author should release a new version where TrueHD audio is accepted, as it is legal Blu-ray audio.

But that is a topic for the tsmuxer thread.

[MrVideo]

Just guessing, it looks like some of the frames have two fields with the same display timecode and others (most) have two fields that are temporally separated.
Who knows what the hell CBS is doing with their H.264/4:2:2 encoders.

As a test, I captured 100MB of the same transponder stream using the professional Tandberg IRD. That is this file (http://vidiot.com/CW-H264-test-good-170924-422.ts). It has good in the filename, but for some reason BDRB doesn't like it either.

So, I went back and ran one of the previous files I captured with the same IRD, on the same computer, and that file was still liked by BDRB. That file is 230MB and it is here (http://vidiot.com/CW-H264-promos-170905.ts).

I'm curious what you find out about those two files and why one is working. They might give you more clues as to why BDRB is doing what it is doing.

As a test, you might want to force no VFR testing to see how x264 handles those video streams. If x264 deals with them just fine and converts them to H.264/4:2:0 interlaced, without any issues, it might be easier to code in a no-VFR option instead of trying to code around the weird timestamps.

[jdobbs]

But, the tsmuxer author should release a new version where TrueHD audio is accepted, as it is legal Blu-ray audio.

But that is a topic for the tsmuxer thread.No. It is not. Support for TrueHD is optional in a player. That's why the core is required to be muxed with TrueHD.

[MrVideo]

I did some more digging and discovered that when a MKV file is created and a TrueHD audio stream is added to the output, the AC3 core is stripped out. Sounds kinda stupid to me. Now to find out why that is done.

UPDATE: Found out why: https://github.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/wiki/TrueHD-and-AC-3

[jdobbs]

Who knows what the hell CBS is doing with their H.264/4:2:2 encoders.

As a test, I captured 100MB of the same transponder stream using the professional Tandberg IRD. That is this file (http://vidiot.com/CW-H264-test-good-170924-422.ts). It has good in the filename, but for some reason BDRB doesn't like it either.

So, I went back and ran one of the previous files I captured with the same IRD, on the same computer, and that file was still liked by BDRB. That file is 230MB and it is here (http://vidiot.com/CW-H264-promos-170905.ts).

I'm curious what you find out about those two files and why one is working. They might give you more clues as to why BDRB is doing what it is doing.

As a test, you might want to force no VFR testing to see how x264 handles those video streams. If x264 deals with them just fine and converts them to H.264/4:2:0 interlaced, without any issues, it might be easier to code in a no-VFR option instead of trying to code around the weird timestamps.I got those two files for testing, in case you want to remove them.

The only problem with a no-VFR flag is that the underlying frame rate of VFR can't be determined without a scan. You find, for example, a 23.976 VFR stream might report 20.70fps. In order to import into a Blu-Ray (even pseudo) it has to be converted to a standard frame rate (there are values in the MPLS and CLPI files that need to be set based upon the rate).

[MrVideo]

I got those two files for testing, in case you want to remove them.
Deleted.
The only problem with a no-VFR flag is that the underlying frame rate of VFR can't be determined without a scan. You find, for example, a 23.976 VFR stream might report 20.70fps. In order to import into a Blu-Ray (even pseudo) it has to be converted to a standard frame rate (there are values in the MPLS and CLPI files that need to be set based upon the rate).
As you can see, those files are for network airing, meaning they are 29.97 1080i. No idea why they are time-coded the way they are.

The "promo" file that works I'm guessing will still show those weirdly ordered time stamps. But, it encodes just fine during the backup phase, resulting in a 29.97 1080i file. Mediainfo shows that it is 1080i29.97. Indicating that it did just fine without VFR. This is assuming that the time stamps are indeed messed up. The BDMV structure was created without error (AFAIK).

I agree with your 23.976 example. But, in this weird case, an override might just be what the doctor ordered. Adding such an override option would have to come with a stern warning that it is for advanced users.

I await the report on the time stamps of the two files, especially the 170905 file.

[Nav1]

Hi, Jdobbs has not post for long long time. Now the new movies are coming out with Dolby Atmos 7.1 ch. Bd Rebuilder does not recognize 7.1 ch. Any future update for Dolby Atmos 7.1 ch. Thanks.

[Lathe]

I did some more digging and discovered that when a MKV file is created and a TrueHD audio stream is added to the output, the AC3 core is stripped out. Sounds kinda stupid to me. Now to find out why that is done.

UPDATE: Found out why: https://github.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/wiki/TrueHD-and-AC-3

Uh... yeah... (cough...) that is what I said several posts ago... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[MrVideo]

Uh... yeah... (cough...) that is what I said several posts ago... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif
Not the why.

[Lathe]

Not the why.

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, BUT... you said it like 'Oh, I found out that when you mux an MKV for SOME reason the AC3 core is stripped out...'

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[gonca]

TrueHD has the core "interleaved" into the HD.
MKV spec doesn't allow that. The solution by the Mosu is to mux AC3 and HD tracks seperately.
This was discussed in this thread long ago

[MrVideo]

Actually, if you read what I pointed to, the spec doesn't allow two different codecs in the same track. IMHO, that is just silly. If it is a legit audio stream, it should be allowed. But, I didn't write the spec.

And, I wanted to find out what that "some" reason was.

[jdobbs]

Hi, Jdobbs has not post for long long time. Now the new movies are coming out with Dolby Atmos 7.1 ch. Bd Rebuilder does not recognize 7.1 ch. Any future update for Dolby Atmos 7.1 ch. Thanks.Untrue. You can just leave the audio track intact. Although I personally don't recommend it. It uses way too much space for a difference that no human ear can detect... but, hey, if wasting space for no purpose rocks your boat -- more power to you.

The last time jdobbs posted, by the way, was about 4 hours before you said he hadn't posted in a "long, long time". :rolleyes:

[jdobbs]

TrueHD has the core "interleaved" into the HD.
MKV spec doesn't allow that. The solution by the Mosu is to mux AC3 and HD tracks seperately.
This was discussed in this thread long agoBut... to be clear, if they are muxed separately they don't comply with the Blu-Ray standard and won't be imported into the BD structure.

[jdobbs]

Deleted.

As you can see, those files are for network airing, meaning they are 29.97 1080i. No idea why they are time-coded the way they are.

The "promo" file that works I'm guessing will still show those weirdly ordered time stamps. But, it encodes just fine during the backup phase, resulting in a 29.97 1080i file. Mediainfo shows that it is 1080i29.97. Indicating that it did just fine without VFR. This is assuming that the time stamps are indeed messed up. The BDMV structure was created without error (AFAIK).

I agree with your 23.976 example. But, in this weird case, an override might just be what the doctor ordered. Adding such an override option would have to come with a stern warning that it is for advanced users.

I await the report on the time stamps of the two files, especially the 170905 file.The one you marked as "good" was 170904. I looked at it -- and it isn't "good". When I import it, it also returns a frame rate of 59.97. Here are the beginning timecodes for that one:334
367
434
468
501
534
568
601
634
668
701
734
768
801
835
868
901
935
968
1001
1035
1068
1101
1135
1168
1202
1235
1252
1268
1285
1302
1302
1318
1318
1335
1335
1352
1352 As you can see, this one is even stranger. In the beginning it uses timecodes for each frame. Then it switches to timecodes for each field -- and then switches to fields with the top and bottom fields both having the same display timecode.

The 170905 file wasn't seen by MEDIAINFO as variable, so with default settings it would probably import ok because BD-RB would only scan when MEDIAINFO finds variable. But if I force a scan it's timecodes are pretty much like the others -- except there are only a couple examples of identical times for the fields. I believe MEDIAINFO doesn't scan the entire file, only a sampling, so my guess is that it missed those.

I'll can add a hidden option to disable VFR scanning. But I wouldn't recommend leaving it set -- because it would be unpredictable what would happen when you run into a true VFR source, and I'm seeing more and more of those lately.

[MrVideo]

The one you marked as "good" was 170904. I looked at it -- and it isn't "good".
I think you mean 170924. I marked it as "good" meaning that it was captured using the good IRD. Obviously there is no "good" IRD. It was just plain timing. :(
The 170905 file wasn't seen by MEDIAINFO as variable, so with default settings it would probably import ok because BD-RB would only scan when MEDIAINFO finds variable. But if I force a scan it's timecodes are pretty much like the others -- except there are only a couple examples of identical times for the fields. I believe MEDIAINFO doesn't scan the entire file, only a sampling, so my guess is that it missed those.
I seem to be missing the value in the mediainfo report that indicates that the file is VFR. When I look at both files, they are both reported as 29.97 fps. What am I missing?
I'll can add a hidden option to disable VFR scanning. But I wouldn't recommend leaving it set -- because it would be unpredictable what would happen when you run into a true VFR source, and I'm seeing more and more of those lately.
Thanks. I understand. I just need it for these feeds from CBS.

[gonca]

But... to be clear, if they are muxed separately they don't comply with the Blu-Ray standard and won't be imported into the BD structure.

Agreed, but the issue appears to be MKV, either creating or using as a source.
Many valid MKVs contain codecs which are not BD compliant, and the user should be aware of that since BD_RB is primarily about the creation of spec compliant output

Not a BD_RB issue

[Lathe]

Agreed, but the issue appears to be MKV, either creating or using as a source.
Many valid MKVs contain codecs which are not BD compliant, and the user should be aware of that since BD_RB is primarily about the creation of spec compliant output

Not a BD_RB issue

Yep... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif gonca is right!

[Lathe]

Untrue. You can just leave the audio track intact. Although I personally don't recommend it. It uses way too much space for a difference that no human ear can detect... but, hey, if wasting space for no purpose rocks your boat -- more power to you.


You will have to excuse JD... He is a great guy and a frigg'n BRILLIANT designer, but, sadly, do to firing guns and heavy artillery for many years now (he was in a gang and then in special forces) his hearing just isn't quite what it used to be... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[gonca]

You will have to excuse JD... He is a great guy and a frigg'n BRILLIANT designer, but, sadly, do to firing guns and heavy artillery for many years now (he was in a gang and then in special forces) his hearing just isn't quite what it used to be... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

Just don't let him work on a roof, he will break his neck.

Yep... gonca is right!
Remember that

[Lathe]

Just don't let him work on a roof, he will break his neck.


http://lathe-of-heaven.com/this.gif http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[MrVideo]

[...]do to firing guns[...]
Maybe it was due to firing guns. :D

[Lathe]

Maybe it was due to firing guns. :D

DOHHHHH! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif one F#%'n mistake, and guess WHO finds it...? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/angry.gif

[MrVideo]

Would you expect anything less? Then again, you probably insert those just to see if I will find them. :D

[Lathe]

Would you expect anything less? Then again, you probably insert those just to see if I will find them. :D

Yeah... I WISH I could take credit for being that clever... Geez dude, if there is a mistake anywhere, YOU will find it! :rolleyes:

[MrVideo]

Through my many years of working with computers and software, I've managed to find things that others have missed in our products and I wasn't even looking. I just can magically find these things, sometimes. :D

[AmigaFuture]

So have I MrVideo, and certainly don't point my finger to luck, coincidences, or magic...though illusionists are prrrrrrrretty cool. :D Lathe, if you really think deeply about it there aren't any mistakes but rather only choices (fully considered or not).

[Lathe]

Lathe, if you really think deeply about it there aren't any mistakes but rather only choices (fully considered or not).

Hmmm... I think you are right... I believe I will 'choose' to give our dear Mr. Video a little working over... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif

[mparade]

Hello,

While BD-RB is importing and "converting the source to a compatible format" what kind of x264 settings are being used? Lossless, right?


Thanks for the help in advance.

[AmigaFuture]

If it were lossless you'd have a much larger file than what is being imported. Lossless means without compression. Otherwise it's lossy. A DivX or XviD becomes much larger, for example. So not lossless.

Update: To be Lossless every frame would have to be packed into a file or as pictures without any compression.

[Lathe]

Hello,

While BD-RB is importing and "converting the source to a compatible format" what kind of x264 settings are being used? Lossless, right?


Thanks for the help in advance.

If I remember correctly, I had asked JD about this too. I believe what he told me is that he uses a CRF of 18. But, I don't know exactly at what settings though...

[mparade]

If it were lossless you'd have a much larger file than what is being imported. Lossless means without compression. Otherwise it's lossy. A DivX or XviD becomes much larger, for example. So not lossless.

Update: To be Lossless every frame would have to be packed into a file or as pictures without any compression.

I made lossless avis (50-60GB each) with Huffyuv codec in 4:2:2 YUY2 format. I just would like to know a bit about what is happening behind the very fast (it takes half an hour for a 70 minutes video) converting to x264 during import. The color space is converted to 4:2:0 YV12 I assume. The resulting structure is ~8GB so some kind of lossy encode is performed. The reencode is unnecessary at this stage because reencoding the imported source will result in a bigger filesize at a CRF value of 16. Those lossless avis are very important to me so my aim is obtaining visually lossless archives with BD-RB.

[Sharc]

@mparade
...I just would like to know a bit about what is happening behind the very fast (it takes half an hour for a 70 minutes video) converting to x264 during import. The color space is converted to 4:2:0 YV12 I assume. The resulting structure is ~8GB so some kind of lossy encode is performed.....
When your source format is accepted by TSMUXER the pseudo-BD structure will be built without re-encoding the video, means you get an exact copy.
When your source format is not accepted by TSMUXER (e.g. DivX) BD-RB will re-encode the video with CRF=18 (default) which is of course not lossless.
Finally, there are few input formats which BD-RB will not recognize and throw an error.
See also the discussion here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1792813&postcount=25466) and around here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794522&postcount=25553) for more details.
Since v0.50.22 (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794806&postcount=25573) BD-RB accepts huffyuv etc. as well as it has been included in that list, but your source will be re-encoded and converted to AVC 4:2:0 with CRF=18 (default) unless you tweak it.

Edit:
In case you convert to 720x576i 4:3 you may watch out for the little --sar bug reported here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173). I trust it will get fixed in the next release....;)

[mparade]

@mparade

When your source format is accepted by TSMUXER the pseudo-BD structure will be built without re-encoding the video, means you get an exact copy.
When your source format is not accepted by TSMUXER (e.g. DivX) BD-RB will re-encode the video with CRF=18 (default) which is of course not lossless.
Finally, there are few input formats which BD-RB will not recognize and throw an error.
See also the discussion here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1792813&postcount=25466) and around here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794522&postcount=25553) for more details.
Since v0.50.22 (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794806&postcount=25573) BD-RB accepts huffyuv etc. as well as it has been included in that list, but your source will be re-encoded and converted to AVC 4:2:0 with CRF=18 (default) unless you tweak it.

Edit:
In case you convert to 720x576i 4:3 you may watch out for the little --sar bug reported here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173). I trust it will get fixed in the next release....;)

Thanks! I have only 720x576i 4:3 Huffyuv sources to convert (import) to AVC....I hope I can overwrite the sar bug on the command line for the encode using the command line tweaks.

[jdobbs]

Hello,

While BD-RB is importing and "converting the source to a compatible format" what kind of x264 settings are being used? Lossless, right?


Thanks for the help in advance.The default is a CRF of 18 to limit required space. But you can set it to whatever you like using IMPORT_CONVERT_CRF.

[jdobbs]

You will have to excuse JD... He is a great guy and a frigg'n BRILLIANT designer, but, sadly, do to firing guns and heavy artillery for many years now (he was in a gang and then in special forces) his hearing just isn't quite what it used to be... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gifHah! It has nothing to do with my hearing and everything to do with science and engineering. All these lossless "HD" extensions are sucker plays... meant to get people to spend more money on equipment. Dolby's own testing shows that no human ear can distinguish between the original lossless audio and AC-3 encoded at 640Kbs. The engineers even increase the volume on "HD" channels so people think they can hear a difference. In fact the only thing you get from those "HD" audio tracks is two more channels -- and even that's a sucker play, since those two channels can be interpreted and/or created by a balance of 5.1 audio. But, hey, if you want to believe in snake oil that will cure your arthritis... more power to you. P.T. Barnum would be proud of these new audio encoding standards.

[Lathe]

Hah! It has nothing to do with my hearing and everything to do with science and engineering. All these lossless "HD" extensions are sucker plays... meant to get people to spend more money on equipment. Dolby's own testing shows that no human ear can distinguish between the original lossless audio and AC-3 encoded at 640Kbs. The engineers even increase the volume on "HD" channels so people think they can hear a difference. In fact the only thing you get from those "HD" audio tracks is two more channels -- and even that's a sucker play, since those two channels can be interpreted and/or created by a balance of 5.1 audio. But, hey, if you want to believe in snake oil that will cure your arthritis... more power to you. P.T. Barnum would be proud of these new audio encoding standards.

I notice that you did not DENY that you were in a gang or in Special Forces...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

[jdobbs]

I notice that you did not DENY that you were in a gang or in Special Forces...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gifWe all have our secrets.

[Ch3vr0n]

maybe he's in a gang of ex-special forces doing all sorts of dangerous and nasty stuff :p

[Lathe]

maybe he's in a gang of ex-special forces doing all sorts of dangerous and nasty stuff :p

Maybe so...

I think this BDRB thing is just a cover... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[AmigaFuture]

It is, Lathe, but...covering What?? Since Samhain (pronounced Sow-en) is close and this is October I'll add an "OOoooOOOooOOohhh..." sound just for you. :D

[AmigaFuture]

Hah! It has nothing to do with my hearing and everything to do with science and engineering. All these lossless "HD" extensions are sucker plays... meant to get people to spend more money on equipment. Dolby's own testing shows that no human ear can distinguish between the original lossless audio and AC-3 encoded at 640Kbs. The engineers even increase the volume on "HD" channels so people think they can hear a difference. In fact the only thing you get from those "HD" audio tracks is two more channels -- and even that's a sucker play, since those two channels can be interpreted and/or created by a balance of 5.1 audio. But, hey, if you want to believe in snake oil that will cure your arthritis... more power to you. P.T. Barnum would be proud of these new audio encoding standards.

What about the Super Humans that can hear stuff that well? The people that defy science. For the most part I very much agree with your comments, especially for average people.

[Blurayhd]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!

[Lathe]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!

So, are you saying that some of the Blu-ray discs that you have burned after using BDRB (going from BD-50 to BD-25) that some of them are now 'bad'...? In other words, for some reason they don't play / copy properly? If so, that is a hard one... I have no idea what would have caused errors on the discs.

You could TRY just simply using ImgBurn to read the disc and then use it to TRY to copy it? I don't know what else to suggest, sorry...

[Sharc]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!
First of, try to play the faulty discs with different hardware, including a standalone player. Do the discs fail with all of these?
If so, the problem is with the disc. You could try to recover the good sectors with e.g. isobuster and see what you get out of it, but I think it's pretty much a lost case.
Otherwise, I am sure you kept the originals in a safe place and you can easily start from scratch.

[jdobbs]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!Interesting. I had that happen on a couple discs recently as well. I'd used cheap media from a questionable manufacturer and they were fine for about 5 years (or more), and then, suddenly they had bad sectors.

First, as Sharc said, it's best to make sure it isn't the drive or player first. That issue is much more common than good discs that go bad.

If it's truly the discs (as it was in my case). you can use ImgBurn to read them to your hard drive. It can be set to ignore the bad sectors, so you will at least get back the usable parts. But the part on the bad sectors is pretty much history.

[worknstiff]

Cheap media from a questionable manufacturer

Ah, another victim of the dreaded CRC errors eh? Just like Optical Quantum did to me. I hold my breathe every time I pull out one of those to play, just glad I have the image on a hard disk too.

[kufo]

Perhaps CDRoller could help. It worked fine for me with some damaged discs.

[jdobbs]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

[Ch3vr0n]

not me

[kufo]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

It´s also fine for me. Which browser do you use?

[MrVideo]

Nope, working for me.

[Lathe]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

Well... maybe you are being Divinely punished for your heretical views about lossless audio... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[jdobbs]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

It´s also fine for me. Which browser do you use?Chrome

[kufo]

Chrome
I also use chrome. If you run chrome on diffrent devices you could try this:
-Open advanced options in chrome.
-Delete stored password for this account.
-Disaable/enable option STORE PASSWORDS above in general password settings.
-log in at this page an look if store password is shown.
-If yes, mark remember me ( It´s shown for me after logged out).
-If no, enter password in chrome maually.
-Klick of marked note USE FOR ALL DEVICES above the passwords.
This is what I would try.:o

[jdobbs]

I also use chrome. If you run chrome on diffrent devices you could try this:
-Open advanced options in chrome.
-Delete stored password for this account.
-Disaable/enable option STORE PASSWORDS above in general password settings.
-log in at this page an look if store password is shown.
-If yes, mark remember me ( It´s shown for me after logged out).
-If no, enter password in chrome maually.
-Klick of marked note USE FOR ALL DEVICES above the passwords.
This is what I would try.:oI never used Chrome to save the password. I've never had to in the past (and haven't been prompted). All I've ever done before is sign in and say "remember me" --and it did. I've always assumed it is kept in a cookie.

[kufo]

You're right with the cookies, but when saving the password in the website i have this problem too. Saving it in chrome solved my problem.

[jdobbs]

You're right with the cookies, but when saving the password in the website i have this problem too. Saving it in chrome solved my problem.I went into Chrome and cleared all cookies. After logging in one more time it kept it. So I'm guessing that somehow the cookie got corrupted. That's a little scary, I may need to do some scanning on my computer.

[gonca]

So I'm guessing that somehow the cookie got corrupted. That's a little scary

Did Chrome update recently? Possible side effect if it did

[Blurayhd]

you can use ImgBurn to read them to your hard drive. It can be set to ignore the bad sectors, so you will at least get back the usable parts. But the part on the bad sectors is pretty much history.

First of all I want to say thank you all you, and Jdobbs, you know? I just don´t get it if you let me I´ll try to tell you;

As you say, recently it happens to me with a lot of disc that was burn years ago and some present read error etc

As you tell me I just use IMGburn to pas one disc to some hard disc with ISO method, so IMGburn have the option to check the entire disc?

Or just when pass it to hard disc if there´s any errors that minds the disc is good? Can the movie contains error but not the disc?

When I tryied it with ISobuster, get me some error sector, but IMGburn pass it to ISO very good

I wish to know if there is some good program to use to check de read speed of the disc? Some good program that tell me how about the min and max read speed?

Thank you for your pacience guys

I really hope you can recommend some

[Lathe]

That's a little scary, I may need to do some scanning on my computer.

'Just because they're not out to get you, doesn't mean they're not out to get you...'

[zorro101]

I tried to compress a blu-ray 4k, but it goes wrong! :(
Is there a possibility for an update for compatibility with the blu-ray 4k UHD?
thanks
best regards

[staina]

Application x264L - 64.exe me in different parts processing falls, see error dump from window below:


Name events problem: APPCRASH
Name application: x264L-64.exe
Version application: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp application: 569d4b9b
Name incorrect module: x264L-64.exe
Version incorrect module: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp incorrect module: 569d4b9b
Code exception: c000001d
Shift exception: 000000000023370d
Version operating system: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
ID national environment: 1033
Next information 1: 62b9
Next information 2: 62b912cee843efabb3e23eb3c2bcb8
Next information 3: 5dbb
Next information 4: 5dbb00d83bfa0590eeee90fc96153e


Names events problem: BEX64
Name application: x264L-64.exe
Version application: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp application: 569d4b9b
Name incorrect module: StackHash_0e6a
Version incorrect module: 0.0.0.0
Clock stamp incorrect module: 00000000
Shift exception: 0000000004c4fb28
Code exception: c0000005
Data exception: 0000000000000008
Version operating system: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
ID national environment: 1033
Next information 1: 0e6a
Next information 2: 0e6a129dfb5d0f7bc9ef3f6f766ce9
Next information 3: b548
Next information 4: b54816bd1dd91a75016123ca0ca639


A little I'm searched and to internet found same version codec X264, but with other size see. link.

http://www.digital-digest.com/software/x264_history.html#471

This codec at processing not once no srasch. It is possible codecs version 2665 compare and give here know in what are other and whether it is possible use and me found codec without reduction in quality output videos?

Yet I'm found out that the at option "Use DirectshowSource frame serving" at two pass uses latest version codec X264 (file X264.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding, but at options "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" uses older versuses older version codec X264 (file X264L - 64.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding.

Which option is then for quality better?

Thank for answer. Staina

[MrVideo]

I tried to compress a blu-ray 4k, but it goes wrong! :(
Is there a possibility for an update for compatibility with the blu-ray 4k UHD?
To do 4K UHD discs will require a whole new project/product.

[zorro101]

To do 4K UHD discs will require a whole new project/product.

i'm not expert, but i have see the rip and the bd structure is the same.
only change (i think) is the resolution and the video codec (h.265 instead h.264)

[Ch3vr0n]

there's a lot more than that lol. Codec changes, resolution changes, bitrate changes, bitrate limitations, maximum sizes...

[jdobbs]

Application x264L - 64.exe me in different parts processing falls, see error dump from window below...

There is a lengthy discussion as to why X264L was necessary. Please review Rule 1a and use the "search" function.

[jdobbs]

To do 4K UHD discs will require a whole new project/product.I'm looking at it. But with the amount of work involved, it may require a "Pro" version so I can recover costs. Donations have pretty much vanished in the last couple years (explaining the long times between versions). Even if I did a Pro version, though, I'd grandfather anyone who had already donated for BD-RB or DVD-RB or had substantially contributed through bug reports.

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.

No promises though, as I've just started researching it.

[Blurayhd]

Hi guys there´s some application so I´ll can do a full surface disc scan? searching for errors? bad sectors etc? That application can show a map of the surface and sectors? or when I use IMGburn to pass some disc to hard drive if I don´t get any errors that means the disc is good?

Thank you in advance

[jdobbs]

there's a lot more than that lol. Codec changes, resolution changes, bitrate changes, bitrate limitations, maximum sizes...Quite a bit for sure... for example, TSMUXER's output would have to be corrected since it uses different codes, etc...

[MrVideo]

i'm not expert, but i have see the rip and the bd structure is the same.
only change (i think) is the resolution and the video codec (h.265 instead h.264)
While on the surface it may look the same, the authoring of the disc is a little different. There are some differences in the features, which has to be handled by a new authoring program.

In other words, the engine under the hood of a UHD disk is a little different than the engine under the hood of a Blu-ray disk.

[meadrocks]

PM'd you a gift card. Hopefully you can make a new release soon. Enjoy.

[geheim]

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.


Exactly my thoughts, because right now there is no possibility to do this. Shrinking complete UHDs to BD50 etc would be another step afterwards, but being able to convert 4K footage to UHD structure would be amazing!!

Thanks for taking a look at this!

[Mark_Venture]

I'm looking at it. But with the amount of work involved, it may require a "Pro" version so I can recover costs. Donations have pretty much vanished in the last couple years (explaining the long times between versions). Even if I did a Pro version, though, I'd grandfather anyone who had already donated for BD-RB or DVD-RB or had substantially contributed through bug reports.

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.

No promises though, as I've just started researching it.Wait...did I miss something? Last I remember it wasn't possible to rip 4K/UHD Bluray discs... is that part solved now?

[Lathe]

I'm looking at it. But with the amount of work involved, it may require a "Pro" version so I can recover costs. Donations have pretty much vanished in the last couple years (explaining the long times between versions). Even if I did a Pro version, though, I'd grandfather anyone who had already donated for BD-RB or DVD-RB or had substantially contributed through bug reports.

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.

No promises though, as I've just started researching it.

You should absolutely do a PRO version so you can get paid, period.

You should provide an up front purchase for those who want that, and you should also provide (my preference) a monthly subscription. The reason being is that if people want to use this excellent and now essential program, they need to cough up the monthly $5.99 or whatever. That ASSURES you a regular income; that is the only one that does in my lowly and wretched opinion.

That way, all the nice people here who use it, say 100 people hopefully, then you have a regular, recurring income of $600/month.

A no-brainer to me... :)

[AmigaFuture]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

I went through that recently after an Avast IS Un/Install. I think it screwed with my Firefox settings. I won't use another browser, Chrome tracks. However, Doom9 doesn't always inform my Email I have something new from here.

You should absolutely do a PRO version so you can get paid, period.

You should provide an up front purchase for those who want that, and you should also provide (my preference) a monthly subscription. The reason being is that if people want to use this excellent and now essential program, they need to cough up the monthly $5.99 or whatever. That ASSURES you a regular income; that is the only one that does in my lowly and wretched opinion.

That way, all the nice people here who use it, say 100 people hopefully, then you have a regular, recurring income of $600/month.

A no-brainer to me... :)

I agree with the self-deprecating one here.

[Lathe]

I agree with the self-deprecating one here.

Thanks kindly AF... :D

[MrVideo]

Wait...did I miss something? Last I remember it wasn't possible to rip 4K/UHD Bluray discs... is that part solved now?
Yep, for a little while now.

[zorro101]

Wait...did I miss something? Last I remember it wasn't possible to rip 4K/UHD Bluray discs... is that part solved now?
yes the aacs2 is broken
the tools deuhd work with 4k blu-ray

[zorro101]

Quite a bit for sure... for example, TSMUXER's output would have to be corrected since it uses different codes, etc...

i have try tsmuxer with input .m2ts uhd (from bd uhd) and:
dont create Blu-ray folder
can create .m2ts

[zorro101]

While on the surface it may look the same, the authoring of the disc is a little different. There are some differences in the features, which has to be handled by a new authoring program.

In other words, the engine under the hood of a UHD disk is a little different than the engine under the hood of a Blu-ray disk.
i hope for release

[staina]

Originally Posted by staina View Post
Application x264L - 64.exe me in different parts processing falls, see error dump from window below...

There is a lengthy discussion as to why X264L was necessary. Please review Rule 1a and use the "search" function.

This part thread I'm there given only to knew whither belongs to part below. Important is this part and answers for her. Thank you

A little I'm searched and to internet found same version codec X264, but with other size see. link.

http://www.digital-digest.com/softwa...story.html#471

This codec at processing not once no srasch. It is possible codecs version 2665 compare and give here know in what are other and whether it is possible use and me found codec without reduction in quality output videos?

Yet I'm found out that the at option "Use DirectshowSource frame serving" at two pass uses latest version codec X264 (file X264.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding, but at options "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" uses older versuses older version codec X264 (file X264L - 64.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding.

Which option is then for quality better?

[jdobbs]

Wait...did I miss something? Last I remember it wasn't possible to rip 4K/UHD Bluray discs... is that part solved now?That's just one application. How about that family video you created with your UHD camera? Even the iPhone records UHD now.

[jdobbs]

i have try tsmuxer with input .m2ts uhd (from bd uhd) and:
dont create Blu-ray folder
can create .m2tsYep. There's a lot to be done.

[jdobbs]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the most recent version (v0.50.25) of BD Rebuilder. Changes for this release: - Fixed an issue that could cause CRF value
prediction to jump dramatically on the
final value when using One-Pass CRF.
- Added a fix that prevents encoding from
failing when attempting to encode multipart
sources to ALTERNATE HEVC that have the
ATCDelta flag asserted.
- Modified the file import mechanism so it
fixes MKV inconsistencies caused by oddball
muxing engines. It "prepares" (remuxes)
MKV files before attemping import. This
fixes occasional sync issues with audio
during imports of MKV. This can be disabled
via the "Import/Quick-Play Settings" dialog
from the SETTINGS menu (to save time).
- Added a new IMPORT_CONVERT_FORCE hidden
setting. Forces imports to be reencoded
(to AVC) during import (even when it isn't
required).
- Added IMPORT_VFR_DISABLE as a hidden option
When set to "1", BD-RB ignores indicators
to the contrary, and assumes constant frame
rate.
- Corrected a rare issue that could occur
when performing file imports that require
conversion to AVC or VFR reencoding.
- Fixed an error in which ALTERNATE resizing
may not occur as specified on certain files
that have been imported into a pseudo-BD
structure.
- Updated the included version of X264.EXE to
the latest release (r2851).
- Updated the included version of X264-64.EXE
to the latest release (r2851).
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.

[jdobbs]

i have try tsmuxer with input .m2ts uhd (from bd uhd) and:
dont create Blu-ray folder
can create .m2tsI also noticed that a start code of x000001E0 is used in TSMUXER HEVC M2TS streams I've tested... while it appears UHD M2TS files use x000001E1 (at least on the one disc I have for testing). That means the entire output M2TS would likely have to be scanned and start codes rewritten. It's easy enough to do -- but certainly time consuming. It might be possible to patch TSMUXER, but I'm not sure if that's even allowable under its freeware license agreement.

If you use a 2160p source to mux, TSMUXER will accept it and write a BD structure, but flags it as 1080p in the MPLS and CLPI files. The headers on the the files (MPLS, CLPI, etc) would all have to be updated to version 3 as well.

[Mark_Venture]

That's just one application. How about that family video you created with your UHD camera? Even the iPhone records UHD now.Ahh yeah... I never thought about using BD Rebuilder for my phone videos...

[Ch3vr0n]

@jdobbs: can't download latest version. Asking for dl credentials

[kufo]

Can´t download file too. Page wants a special login, also im still logged in :rolleyes:
authentication required ?
There ist still 0.50.24 on the fist page, but download link is correct.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

@jdobbs: can't download latest version. Asking for dl credentials

Likewise.

[MrVideo]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the most recent version (v0.50.25) of BD Rebuilder. Changes for this release: - Added IMPORT_VFR_DISABLE as a hidden option
When set to "1", BD-RB ignores indicators
to the contrary, and assumes constant frame
rate.
Thanks.

[Lathe]

Ahh yeah... I never thought about using BD Rebuilder for my phone videos...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rotflmao.gif

[Lathe]

And, a big, sincere 'THANK YOU' for the new version JD! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/respect.gif

And, when I'm done with my current avid hobby of being POOR, I will send you something. Of course, I could EASILY afford a monthly subscription of $5.99! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs: can't download latest version. Asking for dl credentialsLikewise.Can´t download file too. Page wants a special login, also im still logged in :rolleyes:
authentication required ?
There ist still 0.50.24 on the fist page, but download link is correct.Argghhh... Sorry about that. Fixing it now -- it was a rights issue. Should be available in a few minutes.

[Lathe]

Argghhh... Sorry about that. Fixing it now -- it was a rights issue. Should be available in a few minutes.

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/thankyou2.gif

[soneca]

Thanks for the new version!

[kufo]

Tahanks jdobbs for the new version and fixing the download bug.:D

[zorro101]

I also noticed that a start code of x000001E0 is used in TSMUXER HEVC M2TS streams I've tested... while it appears UHD M2TS files use x000001E1 (at least on the one disc I have for testing). That means the entire output M2TS would likely have to be scanned and start codes rewritten. It's easy enough to do -- but certainly time consuming. It might be possible to patch TSMUXER, but I'm not sure if that's even allowable under its freeware license agreement.

If you use a 2160p source to mux, TSMUXER will accept it and write a BD structure, but flags it as 1080p in the MPLS and CLPI files. The headers on the the files (MPLS, CLPI, etc) would all have to be updated to version 3 as well.
I don't know, but it would be nice!!
on my experiment with tsmuxer with 2160p hevc it was impossible produce Blu-ray (error: unsupported or similar)
only .m2ts output it works

this night i retry

[Sharc]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the most recent version (v0.50.25) of BD Rebuilder. Changes for this release: ........
Thank you for the new version.
The --sar bug reported here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173) seems to have happily survived in 0.50.25, right? :)

[varekai]

And, a big, sincere 'THANK YOU' for the new version JD! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/respect.gif
And, when I'm done with my current avid hobby of being POOR...http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gifhttps://s1.postimg.org/2499yergbj/haha-you-are-poor.jpg

[MrVideo]

on my experiment with tsmuxer with 2160p hevc it was impossible produce Blu-ray
Of course it was impossible to produce a Blu-ray structured ISO file, or BD layout. HEVC is not supported on Blu-ray. No player would play it.

It would have to be recoded to H.264 and tsmuxer doesn't do encoding.

You can retry until you are blue-in-the-face. It ain't gonna happen.

[jdobbs]

Of course it was impossible to produce a Blu-ray structured ISO file, or BD layout. HEVC is not supported on Blu-ray. No player would play it.

It would have to be recoded to H.264 and tsmuxer doesn't do encoding.

You can retry until you are blue-in-the-face. It ain't gonna happen.Well... not with the old Blu-Ray standards. But with the new standard that supports UHD playback, HEVC is supported.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

It would be nice to see BD Rebuilder add support for UHD be it size reduction, UHD to BD, UHD to DVD, or UHD to alternate movie-only output. Obviously, this requires work. It would be wonderful if a "Pro" version weren't necessary but there are obvious reasons why it would have to be. Count me as one of those interested.

Regardless of whether or not this path is gone down your hard work is always appreciated, jdobbs.

[MrVideo]

Well... not with the old Blu-Ray standards. But with the new standard that supports UHD playback, HEVC is supported.
Right, only if you purchased a new UHD/4K player. I knew I should have stipulated 1080p H.264 (best video :D ) Blu-ray players. The Blu-ray term is very confusing, since both players use Blu-ray media, but even the 4K BD media is a little different. Just that they both use the Blu-ray laser.

[MrVideo]

It would be nice to see BD Rebuilder support for UHD be it size reduction, UHD to BD, UHD to DVD, or UHD to alternate movie-only output.
Dumb question... Since 4K releases all come with a BD disc as well, who cares? Just rip the BD that comes in the release.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Dumb question... Since 4K releases all come with a BD disc as well, who cares? Just rip the BD that comes in the release.

Valid question/point. Over time I could see the BD/UHD combo sets not always being available. Just as we don't always see DVD/BD sets. In the end it would save studios money to not sell you both at the same time. If a BD disc was included in the purchase then, absolutely, dealing with the BD release would be more convenient in numerous ways. If not then you won't have a choice.

At present you can always use something like Handbrake or another program to convert a UHD m2ts to lower resolution output. You just have to get around the AACS first. That said, if I could use BD Rebuilder for something like this I would prefer it over something else. :)

Whether or not jdobbs wants go down this rabbit hole is his decision, of course, and I don't see there being a huge rush, at present. :)

[jdobbs]

It would be nice to see BD Rebuilder add support for UHD be it size reduction, UHD to BD, UHD to DVD, or UHD to alternate movie-only output. Obviously, this requires work. It would be wonderful if a "Pro" version weren't necessary but there are obvious reasons why it would have to be. Count me as one of those interested.

Regardless of whether or not this path is gone down your hard work is always appreciated, jdobbs. You can be sure that all those are possible and will be available at some point. As for UHD-BD to UHD-BD -- I'm still in the research mode for that one. First I will need to buy a UHD player -- but it costs $179 for the cheapest one I have seen, and wealthy is one of the things I can confidently say I am not. In the meantime I will continue in my research.

One other valid point... my experience has been that creating a backup from a higher resolution results in better quality than same-to-same. So I would think that a single layer 1080p BD made from a UHD source would look better than one made from a dual-layer BD source. Mostly just my humble opinion based on experience, though. I haven't done any testing to prove it.

[ggtop]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the most recent version (v0.50.25) of BD Rebuilder.
small comestic issue: According to a newly created INI file BD-RB reports itself as version 0.50.0.24 instead of 25:
[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.24
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=0
ONEPASS_ENCODING=2
AUTO_QUALITY=1


ggtop

[Lathe]

https://s1.postimg.org/2499yergbj/haha-you-are-poor.jpg

Thanks a lot... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

You can be sure that all those are possible and will be available at some point. As for UHD-BD to UHD-BD -- I'm still in the research mode for that one. First I will need to buy a UHD player -- but it costs $179 for the cheapest one I have seen, and wealthy is one of the things I can confidently say I am not. In the meantime I will continue in my research.

Completely understandable concerning costs, etc, and why a Pro version would be necessary, IMHO. Nonetheless, you still have to put in the up-front investment in money, research, testing, etc, when UHD hasn't penetrated that deep into the market yet. At this point there's no rush but it would be useful for some.

One other valid point... my experience has been that creating a backup from a higher resolution results in better quality than same-to-same. So I would think that a single layer 1080p BD made from a UHD source would look better than one made from a dual-layer BD source. Mostly just my humble opinion based on experience, though. I haven't done any testing to prove it.

Absolutely. I've also had similar experiences with BD to DVD backups where the converted output is clearly better than the actual retail DVD release, IMO.

[jdobbs]

small comestic issue: According to a newly created INI file BD-RB reports itself as version 0.50.0.24 instead of 25:
[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.24
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=0
ONEPASS_ENCODING=2
AUTO_QUALITY=1


ggtopMy mistake. I failed to update the header info. You'll find that right clicking on the EXE and looking at "Details" will also show the wrong version. No big deal, as you said -- it's just cosmetic.

[zorro101]

I also noticed that a start code of x000001E0 is used in TSMUXER HEVC M2TS streams I've tested... while it appears UHD M2TS files use x000001E1 (at least on the one disc I have for testing). That means the entire output M2TS would likely have to be scanned and start codes rewritten. It's easy enough to do -- but certainly time consuming. It might be possible to patch TSMUXER, but I'm not sure if that's even allowable under its freeware license agreement.

If you use a 2160p source to mux, TSMUXER will accept it and write a BD structure, but flags it as 1080p in the MPLS and CLPI files. The headers on the the files (MPLS, CLPI, etc) would all have to be updated to version 3 as well.

Hi
i have retry and: you were right :)
tsmuxer can produce blu-ray folder (i had seen the error but it was just a warning: "Warning! HEVC codec is not standard for BD disks!")
remain the problem that you have described

-- but it costs $179 for the cheapest one I have seen, and wealthy is one of the things I can confidently say I am not. In the meantime I will continue in my research.

if I can give you an advice, you do not need an uhd reader/writer
to do the tests just download a rip and try to work with it
to burn, then, just a normal blu-ray DL burner

The first step, if I can afford it, would be to eliminate the languages and subtitles that do not interest you to drop the size of blu-ray UHD (usually 66Gb) into a 50GB blu-ray
in the test I did last night with "passengers" using tsmuxer, the total size (choosing only one language and one subtitle) dropped from 58GB to 45GB
perfect for entering a BD-R DL. unfortunately, as we know, the output of tsmuxer is not good for UHD!
this would already be a great thing!
I doubt, but if you need to do some tests, I'm available

whatever happens you are a big one and thanks for all

[jdobbs]

if I can give you an advice, you do not need an uhd reader/writer
to do the tests just download a rip and try to work with it
to burn, then, just a normal blu-ray DL burner I wasn't talking about a reader/writer. I was talking about a player. There's no way to know if the structure created is workable unless a UHD player accepts it and plays it (even if using a standard BD disc).

[zorro101]

I wasn't talking about a reader/writer. I was talking about a player. There's no way to know if the structure created is workable unless a UHD player accepts it and plays it (even if using a standard BD disc).

sorry, I did not understand :(:(:(

Powerdvd 17 can read Blu-ray UHD (form disk and from folder)
certainly not the same as a player

[jdobbs]

sorry, I did not understand :(:(:(

Powerdvd 17 can read Blu-ray UHD (form disk and from folder)
certainly not the same as a playerYeah. PowerDVD is okay for playback (when it works) -- but it isn't reliable enough for testing.

[zorro101]

Yeah. PowerDVD is okay for playback (when it works) -- but it isn't reliable enough for testing.
I hope for soon news

for now, thanks for technical conversation


ps. if you decide to sell the new product, i can buy (for low price ;) )

[Mark_Venture]

yes the aacs2 is broken
the tools deuhd work with 4k blu-rayI wasn't aware that it was 100% reliable and worked on all 4K/UHD discs. From what I've read Deuhd only works on certain titles.. and some reviews have not shown 100% success rate with "supported" titles.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
When the name of a file for import contains letters like ä, ö, ü ..... BD-RB throws an error:
ERROR: Gathering source file information. Aborted.
Are there any specific codeset/language rules for filenames?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
When the name of a file for import contains letters like ä, ö, ü ..... BD-RB throws an error:
ERROR: Gathering source file information. Aborted.
Are there any specific codeset/language rules for filenames?Yes. But they are defined by the operating system -- or at least the MS DLLs called by BD-RB rather than BD-RB itself. I should probably find them do a conversion myself to eliminate the offending characters.

[zorro101]

I wasn't aware that it was 100% reliable and worked on all 4K/UHD discs. From what I've read Deuhd only works on certain titles.. and some reviews have not shown 100% success rate with "supported" titles.

yes, as you say is correct, but on internet can you found bd-uhd full rip of disk not released from deuhd.
i think that exist another sw (the first bd-uhd rip are released before deuhd)

anyway, the deuhd can now support more that 50 bd-uhd. is good start

[andref4]

Hi jdobbs,

I have some encoding problems with a few new German/EU Reg. B Blu-Ray movies (see log). All movies are multipart and the 3D movie is multipart and multiangel! And the movies are all from Sony!
BAYWATCH, ARRIVAL and THE SMURFS THE LOST VILLAGE 3D.

[10.19.17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.25
[01:24:36] Source: BAYWATCH
- Input BD size: 45,05 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:17:07.147]
- Target BD size: 23,63 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[01:24:37] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [01:24:37] Processing: VID_00097 (1 of 39)
- [01:24:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00097]
- [01:24:42] Reencoding video [VID_00097]
- [01:24:42] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [01:24:42] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:24:42] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:24:46] Processing: VID_00148 (2 of 39)
- [01:24:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00148]
- [01:24:54] Reencoding video [VID_00148]
- [01:24:54] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [01:24:54] Processing audio tracks
- [01:24:54] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:24:57] Processing: VID_00254 (3 of 39)
- [01:24:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00254]
- [01:25:04] Reencoding video [VID_00254]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 841 frames
- Bitrate: 12.881 Kbs
- [01:25:04] Reencoding: VID_00254, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:25:31] Video Encode complete
- [01:25:31] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:25:31] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:25:35] Processing: VID_00351 (4 of 39)
- [01:25:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00351]
- [01:26:07] Reencoding video [VID_00351]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 8.374 frames
- Bitrate: 4.594 Kbs
- [01:26:07] Reencoding: VID_00351, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:28:39] Video Encode complete
- [01:28:39] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [01:28:39] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:28:58] Processing: VID_00358 (5 of 39)
- [01:28:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00358]
- [01:30:01] Reencoding video [VID_00358]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 31.057 frames
- Bitrate: 10.304 Kbs
- [01:30:01] Reencoding: VID_00358, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:44:56] Video Encode complete
- [01:44:56] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:44:56] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:45:15] Processing: VID_00407 (6 of 39)
- [01:45:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00407]
- [01:45:22] Reencoding video [VID_00407]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.038 frames
- Bitrate: 10.350 Kbs
- [01:45:22] Reencoding: VID_00407, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:45:46] Video Encode complete
- [01:45:46] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:45:46] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:45:50] Processing: VID_00408 (7 of 39)
- [01:45:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00408]
- [01:46:01] Reencoding video [VID_00408]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 3.302 frames
- Bitrate: 10.301 Kbs
- [01:46:01] Reencoding: VID_00408, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:47:17] Video Encode complete
- [01:47:17] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:47:17] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:47:23] Processing: VID_00409 (8 of 39)
- [01:47:23] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00409]
- [01:47:31] Reencoding video [VID_00409]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.771 frames
- Bitrate: 10.357 Kbs
- [01:47:31] Reencoding: VID_00409, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:48:12] Video Encode complete
- [01:48:12] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:48:12] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:48:16] Processing: VID_00410 (9 of 39)
- [01:48:16] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00410]
- [01:48:27] Reencoding video [VID_00410]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 3.143 frames
- Bitrate: 10.321 Kbs
- [01:48:27] Reencoding: VID_00410, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:49:40] Video Encode complete
- [01:49:40] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:49:40] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:49:47] Processing: VID_00411 (10 of 39)
- [01:49:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00411]
- [01:49:57] Reencoding video [VID_00411]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 2.862 frames
- Bitrate: 10.338 Kbs
- [01:49:57] Reencoding: VID_00411, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:51:07] Video Encode complete
- [01:51:07] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:51:07] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:51:12] Processing: VID_00412 (11 of 39)
- [01:51:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00412]
- [01:51:21] Reencoding video [VID_00412]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 2.274 frames
- Bitrate: 10.330 Kbs
- [01:51:21] Reencoding: VID_00412, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:52:13] Video Encode complete
- [01:52:13] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:52:13] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:52:18] Processing: VID_00417 (12 of 39)
- [01:52:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00417]
- [01:52:22] Reencoding video [VID_00417]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 148 frames
- Bitrate: 10.379 Kbs
- [01:52:22] Reencoding: VID_00417, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:52:25] Video Encode complete
- [01:52:25] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:52:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:52:28] Processing: VID_00418 (13 of 39)
- [01:52:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00418]
- [01:52:32] Reencoding video [VID_00418]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 25 frames
- Bitrate: 1.915 Kbs
- [01:52:32] Reencoding: VID_00418, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:52:33] Video Encode complete
- [01:52:33] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:52:33] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:52:37] Processing: VID_00424 (14 of 39)
- [01:52:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00424]
- [01:53:07] Reencoding video [VID_00424]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 13.589 frames
- Bitrate: 10.298 Kbs
- [01:53:07] Reencoding: VID_00424, Pass 1 of 1
- [01:58:29] Video Encode complete
- [01:58:29] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:58:29] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:58:39] Processing: VID_00425 (15 of 39)
- [01:58:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00425]
- [01:59:18] Reencoding video [VID_00425]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 13.157 frames
- Bitrate: 10.310 Kbs
- [01:59:18] Reencoding: VID_00425, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:04:27] Video Encode complete
- [02:04:27] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [02:04:27] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:04:36] Processing: VID_00443 (16 of 39)
- [02:04:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00443]
- [02:04:54] Reencoding video [VID_00443]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.131 frames
- Bitrate: 5.362 Kbs
- [02:04:54] Reencoding: VID_00443, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:05:16] Video Encode complete
- [02:05:16] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:05:16] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:05:21] Processing: VID_00444 (17 of 39)
- [02:05:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00444]
- [02:05:28] Reencoding video [VID_00444]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 979 frames
- Bitrate: 5.358 Kbs
- [02:05:28] Reencoding: VID_00444, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:05:47] Video Encode complete
- [02:05:47] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:05:47] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:05:52] Processing: VID_00445 (18 of 39)
- [02:05:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00445]
- [02:06:05] Reencoding video [VID_00445]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 2.580 frames
- Bitrate: 5.294 Kbs
- [02:06:05] Reencoding: VID_00445, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:06:55] Video Encode complete
- [02:06:55] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:06:55] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:07:01] Processing: VID_00446 (19 of 39)
- [02:07:01] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00446]
- [02:07:09] Reencoding video [VID_00446]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.078 frames
- Bitrate: 6.757 Kbs
- [02:07:09] Reencoding: VID_00446, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:07:31] Video Encode complete
- [02:07:31] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:07:31] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:07:36] Processing: VID_00447 (20 of 39)
- [02:07:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00447]
- [02:07:45] Reencoding video [VID_00447]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.481 frames
- Bitrate: 3.364 Kbs
- [02:07:45] Reencoding: VID_00447, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:08:13] Video Encode complete
- [02:08:13] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:08:13] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:08:19] Processing: VID_00448 (21 of 39)
- [02:08:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00448]
- [02:10:58] Reencoding video [VID_00448]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 47.620 frames
- Bitrate: 5.411 Kbs
- [02:10:58] Reencoding: VID_00448, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:25:52] Video Encode complete
- [02:25:52] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:25:52] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:27:14] Processing: VID_00449 (22 of 39)
- [02:27:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00449]
- [02:27:50] Reencoding video [VID_00449]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 9.588 frames
- Bitrate: 5.769 Kbs
- [02:27:50] Reencoding: VID_00449, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:30:51] Video Encode complete
- [02:30:51] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:30:51] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:31:09] Processing: VID_00450 (23 of 39)
- [02:31:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00450]
- [02:31:18] Reencoding video [VID_00450]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.011 frames
- Bitrate: 5.472 Kbs
- [02:31:19] Reencoding: VID_00450, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:31:38] Video Encode complete
- [02:31:38] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:31:38] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:31:43] Processing: VID_00451 (24 of 39)
- [02:31:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00451]
- [02:32:21] Reencoding video [VID_00451]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 9.859 frames
- Bitrate: 4.960 Kbs
- [02:32:21] Reencoding: VID_00451, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:35:25] Video Encode complete
- [02:35:25] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:35:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:35:44] Processing: VID_00452 (25 of 39)
- [02:35:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00452]
- [02:35:51] Reencoding video [VID_00452]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 794 frames
- Bitrate: 4.692 Kbs
- [02:35:51] Reencoding: VID_00452, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:36:06] Video Encode complete
- [02:36:06] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:36:06] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:36:11] Processing: VID_00453 (26 of 39)
- [02:36:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00453]
- [02:37:37] Reencoding video [VID_00453]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 24.014 frames
- Bitrate: 4.688 Kbs
- [02:37:37] Reencoding: VID_00453, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:45:56] Video Encode complete
- [02:45:57] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:45:57] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:46:38] Processing: VID_00455 (27 of 39)
- [02:46:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00455]
- [02:47:02] Reencoding video [VID_00455]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 5.874 frames
- Bitrate: 5.333 Kbs
- [02:47:02] Reencoding: VID_00455, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:48:53] Video Encode complete
- [02:48:53] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:48:53] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:49:04] Processing: VID_00456 (28 of 39)
- [02:49:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00456]
- [02:49:13] Reencoding video [VID_00456]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1.287 frames
- Bitrate: 5.411 Kbs
- [02:49:13] Reencoding: VID_00456, Pass 1 of 1
- [02:49:40] Video Encode complete
- [02:49:40] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- [02:49:40] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:49:45] Processing: VID_00457 (29 of 39)
- [02:49:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00457]
- Extracting video streams [VID_00457]
- Extracting audio streams [VID_00457]
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\BDMV\STREAM\00457.m2ts
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\BDMV\STREAM\00457.m2ts
[02:53:49] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted


The error message is on all 3 movies the same but on other xxx.m2ts files.

The two 2D movies I have encoded with another prog without any probs but not the SMURFS 3D multiangel movie because the other prog don't support multiangel.

What can I do to encode the complete BD50 to BD25 without any probs and errors? If I use tsmuxer to create one movie only BD (without menu) from the multipart files I have no errors or buffer overflows. I don't know why it happens on BD-Rebuilder.

I have tested it with BD-Reb since v0.50.20.

many thx and kind regards

[jdobbs]

- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\BDMV\STREAM\00457.m2ts

The error message is on all 3 movies the same but on other xxx.m2ts files.

The two 2D movies I have encoded with another prog without any probs but not the SMURFS 3D multiangel movie because the other prog don't support multiangel.

What can I do to encode the complete BD50 to BD25 without any probs and errors? If I use tsmuxer to create one movie only BD (without menu) from the multipart files I have no errors or buffer overflows. I don't know why it happens on BD-Rebuilder.

I have tested it with BD-Reb since v0.50.20.

many thx and kind regardsIn every instance where that message has been seen before, the problem is a bad rip. You might want to try ripping with different software and see how that goes.

[andref4]

In every instance where that message has been seen before, the problem is a bad rip. You might want to try ripping with different software and see how that goes.

Hmmm it can't be a bad rip because I used always newest AnyDVD Version and also testet ist with DVDfab and Passkey (Trial Versions) on two PCs. The ripped BD50 isos are full playabel! And I also have made with anydvd complete isos including the copy protection. All ripped BDs have had no read errors and all BD50 isos (with and without copy protection) can played fine with PowerDVD and free blurayplayer software.

And my mistake... BAYWATCH is from Paramount not Sony.

Any other ideas?

P.S. I can rip all the movies again because I have all the movies on original BD but I did it at least 3 times in two weeks with different AnyDVD Versions and DVDfab Passkey on 2 different PCs without any read errors on the BDs. :(

[jdobbs]

Any other ideas?Nope. That error can't occur unless there is a corrupt source. It actually has nothing to do with BD-RB -- the error is reported by TSMUXER as it tries to demux.

BD Rebuilder automatically attempts separate demuxing for video when this type of error occurs. It looks like it got an error when trying to do all tracks, then the video demuxed correctly, but the audio/subs portion failed. It's possible that some audio or subtitle track was added purposely (new protection?) that is corrupt -- but is never used during playback. I'd just be guessing.

Try using TSMUXER directly on that M2TS. If it works, compare the .meta file in the working folder to the one you see onscreen in TSMUXER. That's about all I can recommend. There's always a chance that BD-RB is creating a bad meta (but it is highly unlikely, since that code get's exercised every time it is run).

Has anyone else successfully backed up "Baywatch"?

Have you tried ripping with MakeMKV? It's free and I've seen reports where it works when other ripping software has failed.

[kufo]

[QUOTE=andref4;1822498]Hi jdobbs,

I have some encoding problems with a few new German/EU Reg. B Blu-Ray movies (see log). All movies are multipart and the 3D movie is multipart and multiangel! And the movies are all from Sony!
BAYWATCH, ARRIVAL and THE SMURFS THE LOST VILLAGE 3D.
[code]
Similar problems for me. With Baywatch and Smurfs 3D ( Both region B )
Baywatch fails in exact these folder with about 27% while exracting audio. Had the same problem with xXx -Return of Xander Cage 3D.
This titele worked in a later redfox update two versions later.
I think the issue is multi angele for the Smurfs and the extended version in Baywatch. I ripped both untouched for testing. Arrival was without problems . The isue is in the ripping software, I think.

[jdobbs]

This titele worked in a later redfox update two versions later.That makes it clear where the issue is...

[Lathe]

I know we've talked about this before, but I can't remember seem to remember anything... I wonder why...?






http://lathe-of-heaven.com/shroom.gif

Oh yeah... that's probably why...

Seriously though, I'm trying to compress one of the old Avengers series discs. I don't do that too often, but in this case I want to keep the full menus and such. I can't seem to remember if there is a way to indicate which playlists / files are the Xtras so that you can tell BDRB to do those faster. But, if you just select 'faster encode for extras' which is what I would normally do with a movie, in this case I THINK with a series disc with like 3 or 4 episodes on it, BDRB will only encode the largest episode properly and then do everything else, including the OTHER episodes at a faster rate, right?

I tried being 'clever' and last night I chose 1 pass CRF to fit a BD-50 to a BD-25. The dang thing took like 18 hours! I was thinking of tonight trying a 1 pass ABR set at 'High', but then it will do EVERYTHING that way...

Any suggestions on how to speed up doing a full BD-50 series disc but still keeping high quality for the 3 or 4 episodes on the disc?

Thanks!

[Sharc]

.... I tried being 'clever' and last night I chose 1 pass CRF to fit a BD-50 to a BD-25. The dang thing took like 18 hours! I was thinking of tonight trying a 1 pass ABR set at 'High', but then it will do EVERYTHING that way...

Hmmm .... why not just try BD-RB in AUTO mode and tell us afterwards what quality difference you spot compared with your 18 hours CRF encode? ;)

[AmigaFuture]

I tried being "clever" and last night I chose 1 pass CRF to fit a BD-50 to a BD-25. The dang thing took like 18 hours! I was thinking of tonight trying a 1 pass ABR set at 'High', but then it will do EVERYTHING that way...

Any suggestions on how to speed up doing a full BD-50 series disc but still keeping high quality for the 3 or 4 episodes on the disc?

Thanks!

I don't think there is a way. I use 2-pass for a final rerender..always. Episode BDs, as far as I know and looking through the Hidden Options don't have a way to "quick" encode the extras. I think JD would have to add the ability to Flag extras for quick processing like movie BDs. Hmm..
I admit I've considered requesting this but I don't have many Episode BDs.

[gonca]

@Lathe
Any suggestions on how to speed up doing a full BD-50 series disc but still keeping high quality for the 3 or 4 episodes on the disc?

Get a decent computer

[Lathe]

Hmmm .... why not just try BD-RB in AUTO mode and tell us afterwards what quality difference you spot compared with your 18 hours CRF encode? ;)

Yeah, that is a good suggestion. Actually, I was gonna do that, but first I wanted to see why it took so long. Apparently my usual 'Tweaks' that I use with movies must have REALLY slowed it down way more than I thought! So, I removed the tweaks and re-ran BDRB with the same CRF / BD-25 setting on the 2nd disc in the series. Well, right away I noticed that instead of predicting around 4 or 5 hours an episode, that it now would be about 2 hours, which was a lot better and should finish the encode in 8-10 hours overnight instead of 18!

But, my next step would have been simply to set it to 'Automatic' and see what it did. But, this turned out okay. I don't do full disc encodes too often and when I do I suppose it would be with series discs like this IF I wanted to keep all episodes and menus, which with say STAR TREK: TNG that wasn't the case, where I only selected certain episodes and grouped them together.

[Lathe]

I don't think there is a way. I use 2-pass for a final rerender..always. Episode BDs, as far as I know and looking through the Hidden Options don't have a way to "quick" encode the extras. I think JD would have to add the ability to Flag extras for quick processing like movie BDs. Hmm..
I admit I've considered requesting this but I don't have many Episode BDs.

Yeah, and like you, I probably wouldn't really use it that much either as a rule. As it turns out, using the 1 pass CRF (which I prefer as a process anyway and doesn't take as long) worked just fine. I think the average episode to fit onto a BD-25 was about 18 /19 which is just fine, especially for these old episodes.

[Lathe]

@Lathe


Get a decent computer

Verrrrrrrrrrry funny little 'g'... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

No, it was my over-anal little 'tweaks' that slowed everything down so much. I'm guessing that with 1 pass CRF and set at 'high' the tweaks take a LOT longer and in the case with episodes it's not really necessary. Whereas, when I'm usually doing movie encodes with 2 pass 'high', they don't seem to slow it down as much and are probably more useful there than with episodes.

[gonca]

anal ... 'tweaks'
Too much info, we don't need to know what you do with your anus,
just get a decent computer

[Lathe]

Too much info, we don't need to know what you do with your anus,
just get a decent computer

*sigh... I guess I deserve that one...

Still... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/finger001.gif http://lathe-of-heaven.com/fist.gif

[AmigaFuture]

Too much info, we don't need to know what you do with your anus,
just get a decent computer

Nice!! Laughing so much my sides hurt! I love laughing that much. Oohhh, Wow....



@JD

Back to BD-RB.. I was messin' around with a BD recently and noticed when doing a Menu & Menu's lossless backup (BD50), using Decode=1 or 2, a DTS is not rerendered to AC-3. But when using Decoder=3 it will rerender DTS to AC-3. Unless KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1, then it - nope. I'll do some more checking..

[gonca]

@Lathe


https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/855c/r90rh1vj2x1qevs4g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/r90rh1vj2x1qevs/hqdefault.jpg)

[AmigaFuture]

*sigh... I guess I deserve that one...

Still... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/finger001.gif http://lathe-of-heaven.com/fist.gif

Hmmmm..Lathe....???

[Lathe]

Okay, we are TOTALLY gonna get in trouble here... I can just feel JD on his way, and it's NOT gonna be pretty...! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[AmigaFuture]

Argghh..the replies for this Forum have been going to Junk mail. This is a new event. I rarely check that. So, JD, when I commented before...yep, they are --- were....in there.

[gonca]

Argghh..the replies for this Forum have been going to Junk mail. This is a new event. I rarely check that. So, JD, when I commented before...yep, they are --- were....in there.

You don't suppose that has something to do with Lathe's posts do you?

[Lathe]

Argghh..the replies for this Forum have been going to Junk mail. This is a new event. I rarely check that. So, JD, when I commented before...yep, they are --- were....in there.

Hey, don't feel badly AF... Actually, it's some really exciting, new experimental AI software being implemented here at Doom9. It's really awesome! What it does is automatically scan the posts here on the site, and when it detects posts such as the ones from gonca, Varekai, etc., which have very little or no value at all, it automatically shunts them to the Junk Mail folder.

Isn't that great!

[AmigaFuture]

You don't suppose that has something to do with Lathe's posts do you?

If I thought luck were a truth, I coooould blame Lathe, haha!

Some kind of change(s) Google made, I'm thinking. More and more I don't care for Google/GMail at all. Not even what the newer Microsoft has done to Hotmail; now Outlook...a lot of bugs since Hotmail was replaced.

The Doom9 notifications started going into Junk in September.

[AmigaFuture]

Hey, don't feel badly AF... Actually, it's some really exciting, new experimental AI software being implemented here at Doom9. It's really awesome! What it does is automatically scan the posts here on the site, and when it detects posts such as the ones from gonca, Varekai, etc., which have very little or no value at all, it automatically shunts them to the Junk Mail folder.

Isn't that great!

I don't feel bad, and that would be cool if it were true. Where do I make modifications/additions?? Wink!

I'm a fan of uncontrolled AI like Max Headroom (created), but not a fan of uncontrolled AI (cannot power off).

[AmigaFuture]

I've been doing some testing and I noticed something in the new version. I haven't checked older versions yet. If IVTCFLG=[whatever 0's and 1's] is in a project and there aren't any IVTC switches, IVTC_PULLDOWN=1, ...BD-RB does an IVTC anyway when the project file is reopened. When it's deleted from the file, IVTC isn't done.

[jdobbs]

I've been doing some testing and I noticed something in the new version. I haven't checked older versions yet. If IVTCFLG=[whatever 0's and 1's] is in a project and there aren't any IVTC switches, IVTC_PULLDOWN=1, ...BD-RB does an IVTC anyway when the project file is reopened. When it's deleted from the file, IVTC isn't done.As it should... am I missing something?

BTW -- that isn't meant to be a user-modifiable item.

[AmigaFuture]

Oh, okay... I was thinking if there isn't a switch there then perhaps that's a bug. I wasn't meaning to reflect it as user modifiable, merely removed the 0's and 1's...to whatever in the post..not the Project file. Pardon, didn't me to give that impression.

[jdobbs]

Oh, okay... I was thinking if there isn't a switch there then perhaps that's a bug. I wasn't meaning to reflect it as user modifiable, merely removed the 0's and 1's...to whatever in the post..not the Project file. Pardon, didn't me to give that impression.The IVTC can be set in a transient manner (for example, from the list) and could change (like if you exit and reenter BD-RB). All that setting does is record the state of the IVTC selection for each M2TS at the point in time you added it to the batch list or saved it to a project file.

[AmigaFuture]

Records the state - right. With it in the Project File (or as the new new INI if edited through BD-RB and the saved), and there aren't any other IVTC switches for BD-RB to notice, it still enabled IVTC. It was once I removed that line that it didn't anymore. IVTC from Setup not active, or any hidden options being used...it still did the IVTC. So, what you mean is with that line there..BD-RB does a logic "It's there...so preform a normal IVTC." Gotcha. I was thinking that should not happen unless it's enabled in Setup or Hidden Opt. You have a built in logic happening I didn't figure into play. :)

[jdobbs]

Records the state - right. With it in the Project File (or as the new new INI if edited through BD-RB and the saved), and there aren't any other IVTC switches for BD-RB to notice, it still enabled IVTC. It was once I removed that line that it didn't anymore. IVTC from Setup not active, or any hidden options being used...it still did the IVTC. So, what you mean is with that line there..BD-RB does a logic "It's there...so preform a normal IVTC." Gotcha. I was thinking that should not happen unless it's enabled in Setup or Hidden Opt. You have a built in logic happening I didn't figure into play. :)As I said -- it isn't meant to be user modified. When you removed it the values for each M2TS that BD-RB needed are no longer there -- so they defaulted to zero. It's kinda like cutting off your toes and then saying "why don't I have any toes?"

This is what I mean by a "self inflicted injury".

[Lathe]

It's kinda like cutting off your toes and then saying "why don't I have any toes?"

Wow... now, I'm gonna hafta write this sucker down! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[jdobbs]

Records the state - right. With it in the Project File (or as the new new INI if edited through BD-RB and the saved), and there aren't any other IVTC switches for BD-RB to notice, it still enabled IVTC. It was once I removed that line that it didn't anymore. IVTC from Setup not active, or any hidden options being used...it still did the IVTC. So, what you mean is with that line there..BD-RB does a logic "It's there...so preform a normal IVTC." Gotcha. I was thinking that should not happen unless it's enabled in Setup or Hidden Opt. You have a built in logic happening I didn't figure into play. :)
As I said -- it isn't meant to be user modified. When you removed it the values for each M2TS that BD-RB needed are no longer there -- so they defaulted to zero. It's kinda like cutting off your toes and then saying "why don't I have any toes?"

This is what I mean by a "self inflicted injury".By the way, this wasn't meant as a slight against you... just a humorous attempt at further explanation.

[AmigaFuture]

Haha, I appreciate the comment. I wasn't offended (very challenging to do) at all. I thought you'd missed my point that I understood all that and was only making a comment about a possible bug. As Lathe, I appreciate the further humor. I've used that before at times. Pardon if I seemed bothered. That wasn't my intent.

[Lathe]

... and they all lived happily ever after, together in peaceful harmony, gathering each morning at JD's Tinker shop to drink espresso and tell each other little stories of fancy and imagination...

Well, all except Varekai and gonca... sadly they were a little slow and missed the train... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[staina]

Thank you that the me was to no answered to questions below:


A little I'm searched and to internet found same version codec X264, but with other size see. link.

http://www.digital-digest.com/softwa...story.html#471

This codec at processing not once no srasch. It is possible codecs version 2665 compare and give here know in what are other and whether it is possible use and me found codec without reduction in quality output videos?

Yet I'm found out that the at option "Use DirectshowSource frame serving" at two pass uses latest version codec X264 (file X264.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding, but at options "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" uses older versuses older version codec X264 (file X264L - 64.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding.

Which option is then for quality better?

[jdobbs]

Thank you that the me was to no answered to questions below:


A little I'm searched and to internet found same version codec X264, but with other size see. link.

http://www.digital-digest.com/softwa...story.html#471

This codec at processing not once no srasch. It is possible codecs version 2665 compare and give here know in what are other and whether it is possible use and me found codec without reduction in quality output videos?

Yet I'm found out that the at option "Use DirectshowSource frame serving" at two pass uses latest version codec X264 (file X264.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding, but at options "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" uses older versuses older version codec X264 (file X264L - 64.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding.

Which option is then for quality better?The quality would be the same. The encoding speed might change. As I've said before, the X264L was added because changes in X264 (last year, I think) showed a noticable slowdown when using internal decoders. So I kept an older version (X264L) to avoid the slowdown. By the way -- clicking on your link results in a "file not found" error.

[AmigaFuture]

... and they all lived happily ever after, together in peaceful harmony, gathering each morning at JD's Tinker shop to drink espresso and tell each other little stories of fancy and imagination...

Well, all except Varekai and gonca... sadly they were a little slow and missed the train... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

I don't drink Coffee in any form. I do not enjoy what it does to the mind--and observing people for many(+) years, I'll stay away from it, haha. It also messes too much with meditation and awareness for my liking. I'm glad you didn't suggest kissing. I did sort of expect that, from you. Erm. LOL!

[gonca]

I don't drink Coffee in any form. I do not enjoy what it does to the mind--and observing people for many(+) years, I'll stay away from it, haha. It also messes too much with meditation and awareness for my liking. I'm glad you didn't suggest kissing. I did sort of expect that, from you. Erm. LOL!

I am disappointed with you for saying that about poor Lathe.
You do remember that he has this condition with anal tweaks, whatever that means

[Lathe]

I am disappointed with you for saying that about poor Lathe.
You do remember that he has this condition with anal tweaks, whatever that means

Only gonca's troubled mind would come up with some correlation between kissing and anal tweaks... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

That ALONE should be reason for concern... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[AmigaFuture]

I am disappointed with you for saying that about poor Lathe.
You do remember that he has this condition with anal tweaks, whatever that means

Shhh... I don't want Lathe's mind from going into any kind of fetishes like...rim...---never mind. Ick...

Lathe, he has a troubled mind and you're the one that trashes you're "wretched self"?? What a hoot!

Anyway, back to BD-RB.. I'm processing Game of Thrones S1 D1 BD, and so far it's showing an oversize overall progress, but isn't done.

Update: OOps...looks like I left a switch in I shouldn't have. We'll have to retest.

Update 2: Removing the switch didn't make any difference. I'll post soon..in more Detail. Time to enjoy Samhain.

[Blurayhd]

Hi jdobbs and hi dear people I have seven 1080p MKVs movies, that I like to pass it to Bluray but the size of this movies is almost 5gb, 8gb, and I was thinking if Bd rebuilder, in some how can create a fully Bluray with maybe simply menus just for playing each movie?

All I want to do is put on one disc all the seven movies or maybe fourth or less, per disc but can I do that? could you tell me how?

Thank you in advance!!

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs and hi dear people I have seven 1080p MKVs movies, that I like to pass it to Bluray but the size of this movies is almost 5gb, 8gb, and I was thinking if Bd rebuilder, in some how can create a fully Bluray with maybe simply menus just for playing each movie?

All I want to do is put on one disc all the seven movies or maybe fourth or less, per disc but can I do that? could you tell me how?

Thank you in advance!!1. Put the files into a folder together and name the folder (the name you want for your BD).
2. Use the IMPORT function from the FILE menu.
3. Choose the files you want to import.
4. Edit the popup list to give each the name you want on the menu.
5. Import. This will create a pseudo-BD to use for input.
6. Choose an output size -- and run a full backup.

You will end up with a BD structure that can be burned to a disc that matches your selected output size.

There are other options you can use, such as choosing a background, background sound, fonts, colors, etc.

[MrVideo]

I like to pass it to Bluray but the size of this movies is almost 5gb, 8gb
Is that a total of 8GB, or 5-8GB for each movie? You do know that you can only get about 23.5GB on a disc (unless you use 50GB media), so you can't fit all seven on a disc and keep the original size/bitrate.

The instructions will depend upon you wanting to really keep them on a single 25GB disc, or spread them over two discs.

[staina]

The quality would be the same. The encoding speed might change. As I've said before, the X264L was added because changes in X264 (last year, I think) showed a noticable slowdown when using internal decoders. So I kept an older version (X264L) to avoid the slowdown. By the way -- clicking on your link results in a "file not found" error.

Here new link:

http://www.digital-digest.com/software/x264_history.html#471

[Blurayhd]

1. Put the files into a folder together and name the folder (the name you want for your BD).
2. Use the IMPORT function from the FILE menu.
3. Choose the files you want to import.
4. Edit the popup list to give each the name you want on the menu.
5. Import. This will create a pseudo-BD to use for input.
6. Choose an output size -- and run a full backup.

You will end up with a BD structure that can be burned to a disc that matches your selected output size.

There are other options you can use, such as choosing a background, background sound, fonts, colors, etc.

Thank you very much jdobbs for that, I´ll tell you as soon I can doo it

[Blurayhd]

Is that a total of 8GB, or 5-8GB for each movie? You do know that you can only get about 23.5GB on a disc (unless you use 50GB media), so you can't fit all seven on a disc and keep the original size/bitrate.

The instructions will depend upon you wanting to really keep them on a single 25GB disc, or spread them over two discs.

Thank so much to you too and I already know about it, I´ll give a try because I really don´t want to loss this movies but I don´t wnat to use seven disc

Thank you again

[MrVideo]

Thank so much to you too and I already know about it, I´ll give a try because I really don´t want to loss this movies but I don´t wnat to use seven disc
The most discs that you would use is 2. The total size of those 7 videos is 35-56GB. So, by splitting those up in the right sized combinations, you can fit them onto 2 discs, without recoding to make them smaller. Getting those videos onto 1 disc, IMHO, will greatly reduce the video quality.

When you follow jdobb's steps, you can then stop at #5 and burn the BD structure that is created.

[jdobbs]

When you follow jdobb's steps, you can then stop at #5 and burn the BD structure that is created.Very, very bad idea. The chance that the MKV files meet blu-ray standards is virtually zero. They pretty much always have to be reencoded.

[MrVideo]

Very, very bad idea. The chance that the MKV files meet blu-ray standards is virtually zero. They pretty much always have to be reencoded.
I totally disagree with your totally zero statement. I do it all the time. My BD player has no issue. I'm not talking about MKV files that I've encoded, but MKV files that I get elsewhere.

That is also why you do test burns on RW media, so that you can make sure that it does play all the files and that the menu structure meets your needs.

[Sharc]

Very, very bad idea. The chance that the MKV files meet blu-ray standards is virtually zero. They pretty much always have to be reencoded.
Absolutely. Typically mkv files have stripped the borders off, hence not even the resolution is blu-ray compliant. Plus number of non-compliant ref frames, GOP size, b-adapt etc. etc. Normally all far from blu-ray compliancy.

[Sharc]

..... I do it all the time. My BD player has no issue......
Sorry, but that doesn t prove anything.

[Lathe]

Absolutely. Typically mkv files have stripped the borders off, hence not even the resolution is blu-ray compliant. Plus number of non-compliant ref frames, GOP size, b-adapt etc. etc. Normally all far from blu-ray compliancy.

Yeah, I have to chime in that that is my experience too. MOSTLY the cropped borders. Now, with my OPPO I CAN sort of get away with throwing certain AR's into a BDMV folder. If it is an 1.85 or a 1.66 ratio, I can adjust the zoom / AR on my telly and it will look alright (I basically change it from the default 16x9 to 4x3) But, if it is the more common 2.35 or 2.4 it doesn't, it gets stretched.

And, I do always have to check ref & B frames first just in case I want to do that. Even at that, there are times when even playing the MKV file on my OPPO chokes it, and in looking at the encoding parameters, I still can't tell why...

[MrVideo]

Sorry, but that doesn t prove anything.
Yes, it does. It disproves the "virtually zero" and having to "always" recode. I don't.

Not all posters of MKV videos crop the image. My Samsung will just zoom the video to fit the 1920x1080 image area. What doesn't work are those people who try to save a few bits/sec by cropping 960 video to 1920x960. That doesn't play correctly, as the Samsung will vertically stretch it to 1080.

[jdobbs]

I totally disagree with your totally zero statement. I do it all the time. My BD player has no issue. I'm not talking about MKV files that I've encoded, but MKV files that I get elsewhere.

That is also why you do test burns on RW media, so that you can make sure that it does play all the files and that the menu structure meets your needs.I really don't care if you disagree. You are totally wrong. But, hey, if you want to pretend to be an expert despite my advice -- go ahead. But when you move on to a different player and it stops working, just remember what I said.Absolutely. Typically mkv files have stripped the borders off, hence not even the resolution is blu-ray compliant. Plus number of non-compliant ref frames, GOP size, b-adapt etc. etc. Normally all far from blu-ray compliancy.Agreed 100%

[MrVideo]

I really don't care if you disagree. You are totally wrong. But, hey, if you want to pretend to be an expert despite my advice -- go ahead. But when you move on to a different player and it stops working, just remember what I said.
I am not wrong. It can work and does work. I've loaned a couple of these authored discs to a friend, who has a totally different BD player and they worked for him. Today's players are very forgiving, because they play so many other files. It stands to reason that they would play authored discs with video files that may not be 100% compliant. So what. If I pulled out the old Sony player, they might not work. Don't care. It didn't play a lot of other stuff either.

I just played one of the discs in my pre-Cinavia (over 5 yrs old) Samsung and it played the disc just fine. Could be luck. Don't know, don't care.

The point is that if it works for you, go for it. Whenever you can NOT recode, the better off the video file is, as encoding errors are introduced with each recode. Especially with the lower bitrates that come with many files.

Have I run across some videos that didn't work? Yes. Those were recoded. But, they are very few are far between.

If it ever happens that the disc won't play in a different player, then redo it and recode. Since the videos on the disc weren't recoded previously for the disc, they won't have gone through a double-recoding to make another disc.

The thing about BD specs is that the players have to play discs that meet those specs. Doesn't mean they can't play discs that don't. Seems that many players will play pretty much anything.

[jdobbs]

I am not wrong. It can work and does work. I've loaned a couple of these authored discs to a friend, who has a totally different BD player and they worked for him. Today's players are very forgiving, because they play so many other files. It stands to reason that they would play authored discs with video files that may not be 100% compliant. So what. If I pulled out the old Sony player, they might not work. Don't care. It didn't play a lot of other stuff either.

I just played one of the discs in my pre-Cinavia (over 5 yrs old) Samsung and it played the disc just fine. Could be luck. Don't know, don't care.

The point is that if it works for you, go for it. Whenever you can NOT recode, the better off the video file is, as encoding errors are introduced with each recode. Especially with the lower bitrates that come with many files.

Have I run across some videos that didn't work? Yes. Those were recoded. But, they are very few are far between.

If it ever happens that the disc won't play in a different player, then redo it and recode. Since the videos on the disc weren't recoded previously for the disc, they won't have gone through a double-recoding to make another disc.

The thing about BD specs is that the players have to play discs that meet those specs. Doesn't mean they can't play discs that don't. Seems that many players will play pretty much anything.That's just about the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Standards are there for a reason -- and have to be followed whether you, me, or anyone else likes it. Players are built to play discs that meet the blu-ray standard. Dumb-ass luck isn't the same thing as "right". Get over yourself and accept the fact that you are wrong. I know you hate being wrong -- but when you make up silly reasons like this rather than accept it -- you simply lose all credibility.:rolleyes:

[Ch3vr0n]

I'm with jdobbs on this one. Just because it plays because the player is "configured" to be less strict when it comes to playing files doesn't mean the files are up to the standard which the player should be ENFORCING instead of being less strict.

[MrVideo]

I'm with jdobbs on this one. Just because it plays because the player is "configured" to be less strict when it comes to playing files doesn't mean the files are up to the standard which the player should be ENFORCING instead of being less strict.
No reason to enforce. If the only thing the BD player did was to play CDs, authored DVDs and authored BDs, then I can understand that. But, they play pretty much everything under the sun and even stream from YouTube, Netflix, etc. Because of that, the player has to have hardware chipsets that will play pretty much any MPEG-2/MPEG-4 file thrown at it, Because that hardware is already there, by default, playback of BDs results in a broader spectrum of allowable videos.

You and jdobbs may consider that to be wrong, but that is the state of the world when it comes to players. Because of that, I take advantage of it. Doesn't mean that others can't either. Doesn't make me wrong for using the ability of the device.

[MrVideo]

That's just about the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Standards are there for a reason -- and have to be followed whether you, me, or anyone else likes it.
For someone who has to author discs that will play on ANY BD player, that is true. But, for those of us who can think outside of the box and use the features that the player has, it is another story. I like using the capabilities of the devices that I have.

[jdobbs]

For someone who has to author discs that will play on ANY BD player, that is true. But, for those of us who can think outside of the box and use the features that the player has, it is another story. I like using the capabilities of the devices that I have.OMG! Give it up. Violating standards isn't "thinking outside the box". Gee... maybe I'll make a yard 33 inches for my own personal usage. Sound stupid? That's because it is. With every response you dig yourself deeper into the "maybe I'm speaking goofy" category.

Standards are the only thing that separates order from chaos in science and engineering. Chaos is not "thinking outside the box". It's just chaos.

[MrVideo]

Nope. You should give up trying to convince me what I am doing is so wrong.

We can certainly agree to disagree.

Added: You seem to be completely missing the point. The Samsung player, as are most BD/DVD/CD players these days, are not just BD/DVD/CD players. They are MEDIA players. With the "media" coming in all shapes and forms. Because of that, it can, and does more. And I take advantage of that.

I can put those same MKV files on a BD-ROM and the Samsung will play them as if I had them on a flash drive. It is just nice to have a menu wrapped around those files, with a nice image background.

[AmigaFuture]

For someone who has to author discs that will play on ANY BD player, that is true. But, for those of us who can think outside of the box and use the features that the player has, it is another story. I like using the capabilities of the devices that I have.

You're missing the Bigger Picture.. That's what Sharc, JD, are commenting about. Those "Extra features" like YouTube and Netflix programs, don't have ANYthing to do with the Standards of playing BD. My older LG BD Player has the abilities to play MKV files also but that's outside the BD Standard specs. I'm very glad it does, it's an added bonus. Plays from USB, Data DVD and Data BD, but but doesn't have to do with BD standards. How a BD is played IS then referencing the standard.
From what I understand, the ability to play MKV files on a disc or USB..it's using different software than BD specific. Which is why JD really is so "anal" (Ahhh..pun from before) about not supporting (much) outside of the BD Specifications and is pretty ridged about Does It Play Correctly From disc??!?

This seems to be what you were missing. I hope it's helpful. Outside the Box is a form of thinking, of allowing yourself not to become ridged in Beliefs (long held patterns of thought) that CAN change from unhealthy to healthy are better awareness. It's not a Hardware related statement; nor BD related topic.

[MrVideo]

This seems to be what you were missing.
No, I'm not missing that point, and said so in an above posting.

The "final" output from BDRB needs to fit the spec so that it will play on "every" BD player. And no, the player doesn't have to switch to a mode that will only play discs that meet the spec, otherwise it would refuse to play the discs that I've created. It doesn't.

The intermediate BDMV file layout that BDRB produces meets the spec for menu playback, so that the BD player will read and display the menu. The MPEG-2/MPEG-4 video files may not meet the BD spec, but they must meet the MPEG-2/MPEG-4 spec, which allows the player to play those files.

Let's make another example. You purchased Adobe Photoshop in order to create background images for BDRB. Adobe writes that you need, at a minimum, a certain processor type and speed. A minumum amount of RAM, minimum video display resolution and a minimum amount of HDD space in which to load the program and be able to work with images. That doesn't stop you from having a computer with capabilities that are many times better than the spec. Does that mean when you run Photoshop you only run on a computer with the minumum specs? Nope. Same thing with a BD player. It meets the minimum specs to play authored discs, but doesn't stop it from playing BD discs with non-BD spec MPEG-2/MPEG-4 videos because the player can.

It is my responsibility to determine if the player can play the intermediate BDMV file structures that BDRB produces.

I'm pleased that the BD players that I have can play the BDRB intermediate BDMV file structures. That way I can have discs with menus, without having to recode the videos and degrade the quality of the video files.

[AmigaFuture]

I understand your reasoning and example. My older LG BD Player also plays outside of the Specs. Short example, I don't have to name the BD "THIS_IS_THE_NAME". I'm able to call it "This Is The Name" or "this is the name". But I prefer better grammar and punctuation; however I don't use punctuation within a BD name. So, you're meaning "tHIS is tHE nAME" is outside of BD specs but it still plays. I concur. I also really like that. BUT...JD, with BD-RB, is being strict to the Guidelines of BD. That's his point. YOU understand those, at least in part, as well as I do, in part, but many Do Not. His communication and program are aimed at those who Don't...and quotes Specific to avoid a LOT of possible headaches. Get it? :D

[Lathe]

C'mon, let me at 'im JD... Let me at 'im... Just give me 5 minutes with him man...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif

[jdobbs]

Some people just won't admit when they are wrong. This guy is one of them. It's a character flaw, and we're not going to solve it here. Just remember this discussion the next time he is giving someone advice... take it with a grain of salt.

[gonca]

Some people just won't admit when they are wrong. This guy is one of them. It's a character flaw, and we're not going to solve it here. Just remember this discussion the next time he is giving someone advice... take it with a grain of salt.

You talking about Lathe?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[MrVideo]

Some people just won't admit when they are wrong.
Look in the mirror. Obviously I'm not wrong if it works.

If I were to tell someone to do this, or that, and that it works, but really doesn't... then I would be wrong. But to tell someone that the process can work, because it does, doesn't make me wrong.

I must be seeing things when I watch the result of doing what I suggested. It never hurts to try. If it doesn't work for you, at least you can say you gave it a go.

[jdobbs]

Sure, sure... You prove the point with every post. Blah, blah, blah, silly ass statement, blah, blah, blah. Get over yourself.

I actually know what I'm talking about. You... not so much.

"Gee... it works sometimes, so it must be right" :eek: That's not how a professional engineer thinks.

[MrVideo]

You are totally missing the point. The BD specs, as stated many a time, are the minimum specs that a BD player must adhere to. Nothing stops them from going further, as pretty much every BD player on the market does. Try and tell a BD manufacturer that their BD player is not adhering to the BD specs. They will all tell you that they are.

If I were to use BDRB to produce a BD disc that I would end up selling to the general public and I ended up using the temporary BDMV file structure, then you would be very correct in that the BD disc might not be compliant and should not be sold.

But, I am not doing that. I am taking full advantage of what the BD player can do and creating a BD disc for me, myself and I. Therefore, it can be anything that the BD player that I own will accept. That does not make me wrong regarding what I posted a while ago that got all of this started. You said that it can't be - zero. Well, tell that to my BD player. It is perfectly happy playing the "can never happen" and "zero chance" disc.

I will continue to create discs that I supposedly shouldn't be able to, and play them in my BD player, that shouldn't be able to do so. I will continue to suggest to users to give it a try with their players, in order to avoid a recoding that will potentially degrade the quality of the video.

[Lathe]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Some people just won't admit when they are wrong. This guy is one of them. It's a character flaw, and we're not going to solve it here. Just remember this discussion the next time he is giving someone advice... take it with a grain of salt.

You talking about Lathe?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

[jdobbs]

You are totally missing the point. The BD specs, as stated many a time, are the minimum specs that a BD player must adhere to. Nothing stops them from going further, as pretty much every BD player on the market does. Try and tell a BD manufacturer that their BD player is not adhering to the BD specs. They will all tell you that they are.

If I were to use BDRB to produce a BD disc that I would end up selling to the general public and I ended up using the temporary BDMV file structure, then you would be very correct in that the BD disc might not be compliant and should not be sold.

But, I am not doing that. I am taking full advantage of what the BD player can do and creating a BD disc for me, myself and I. Therefore, it can be anything that the BD player that I own will accept. That does not make me wrong regarding what I posted a while ago that got all of this started. You said that it can't be - zero. Well, tell that to my BD player. It is perfectly happy playing the "can never happen" and "zero chance" disc.

I will continue to create discs that I supposedly shouldn't be able to, and play them in my BD player, that shouldn't be able to do so. I will continue to suggest to users to give it a try with their players, in order to avoid a recoding that will potentially degrade the quality of the video.Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I know it's easy to get off point when you're grasping at straws to defend yourself, but let me remind you of the real issue. It's not what you personally do. I really don't give a rat's ass what you do. It's when you come in and advise others to ignore the standards (required for discs to work) in direct contradiction to the correct advice I gave them.

Next time I give advice to someone -- how about you simply stay out of it. You are telling people to do something that is COMPLETELY WRONG. Leave the advice to the knowledgable, ok. You obviously aren't.

Now this is where the moderator comes in. This thread isn't about you trying to defend your bad advice, and it's obvious you aren't going to stop coming up with silly reasons why you weren't wrong. The thread is about Rebuilder, the software I created. As a moderator I'm telling you to stop posting on this subject now -- or you will receive a strike. In addition, I will remove any posts you continue to make on this subject.

[Lathe]

I'm just finishing up The Avengers television episodes and I'm currently encoding disc 9 of the last season, and I notice that under the settings tab the encoding choices are 'live' and are not greyed out. In other words, it LOOKS like if I wanted to do so, I could change 'High' to 'Fast' mid-encode.

The reason why I wondered this is because I have it set using 'High' 1 pass CRF and it uses pretty decent values for the episodes. But, since it is an episode disc, I cannot really set it for a 'faster encode of extras' due to there being several episodes. However, if the encoding of all the main episodes is already done and it is just doing the rest of the 'extras', could I in mid-encode, just change the setting to 'Fast' for BDRB then to do the rest of the extras 'faster' Is that possible, or recommended, or will it somehow screw up the current disc or reset the whole thing or whatever...?

[Lathe]

Oh, and in using 1 pass CRF, I notice something that I hadn't before that BDRB occasionally does a 'performing size correcting 2nd pass' Never noticed that before...

[AmigaFuture]

My acquaintance, you're not the only one. I noticed the Encoding Speeds thing a while ago, but kept thinking "I'll check that soon." Which I still haven't done. Once the encode I have happening is done I'll check that (Giggling about the comment I _just_ typed).

Since you're using an episode BD, have you noticed the "Current Progress" changes to reflect the actual progress and current render progress? I was borrowed a friends' BD set and thought I would check some stuff since I don't have much in the way of episodes stuff. I noticed that, what about you, Lathe? I don't have "Quick Encode" set.

[Lathe]

My acquaintance, you're not the only one. I noticed the Encoding Speeds thing a while ago, but kept thinking "I'll check that soon." Which I still haven't done. Once the encode I have happening is done I'll check that (Giggling about the comment I _just_ typed).

Since you're using an episode BD, have you noticed the "Current Progress" changes to reflect the actual progress and current render progress? I was borrowed a friends' BD set and thought I would check some stuff since I don't have much in the way of episodes stuff. I noticed that, what about you, Lathe? I don't have "Quick Encode" set.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but since in an episode disk where you have multiple 'main' files, I don't think that there is a way to use 'faster encode for extras', because if you did, BDRB would simply choose the largest episode file, make IT the 'main' file, and then use a faster encode on everything else, including the other episodes.

I had just noticed with doing this last Avengers disc, that the settings were still 'live', which surprised me. Normally, I THOUGHT they were all greyed out while encoding was taking place. So, I was curious if you could change the encoder setting (High, Fast, etc.,) on the fly WHILE it was encoding one of the files...

[jdobbs]

Oh, and in using 1 pass CRF, I notice something that I hadn't before that BDRB occasionally does a 'performing size correcting 2nd pass' Never noticed that before...The best you can do with CRF is an estimate of the output size. Sometimes it is off. When the output is too large, a second pass has to be done in order to make sure it will fit on the target. This isn't something new -- BD-RB has had that feature for a long time. It just isn't used very often (since the estimation passes are usually pretty accurate).

[Lathe]

The best you can do with CRF is an estimate of the output size. Sometimes it is off. When the output is too large, a second pass has to be done in order to make sure it will fit on the target. This isn't something new -- BD-RB has had that feature for a long time. It just isn't used very often (since the estimation passes are usually pretty accurate).

Okidoke, thanks JD!

Uh... No comment about what I asked about changing the settings 'on the fly' since they are not greyed out...??? I honestly would really appreciate knowing what I can and can't do at that point in relation to what I asked specifically above, especially with regard to episode discs after the main encoding of the episodes is done, but it is still working on the actual Xtras.

Thank you!

[AmigaFuture]

Lathe,

Here's our answer...

[11/06/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.25
[11:16:05] Source: GAMEOFTHRONES_S1_D2_(FULL_DISK_PROCESSED)_NOW_TESTING_ONFLY_ENCODE_CHANGE
- Input BD size: 9.86 GB
- Approximate total content: [04:37:15.614]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: High Quality (Default), CRF
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:16:06] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:16:06] Blanking: VID_00002 (1 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Blanking: VID_00003 (2 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Blanking: VID_00004 (3 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Processing: VID_01016 (4 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01016]
- [11:16:13] Reencoding video [VID_01016]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,901 frames
- [11:16:13] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 11.00 30.50 16.55 20.55 19.50 [19.77]
- [11:16:34] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [11:18:17] Video Encode complete
- [11:18:17] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:18:17] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:18:22] Processing: VID_01017 (5 of 53)
- [11:18:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01017]
- [11:18:29] Reencoding video [VID_01017]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,901 frames
- Bitrate: 13,640 Kbs
- [11:18:29] Reencoding: VID_01017, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:19:05] Reencoding: VID_01017, Pass 2 of 2
- [11:19:26] Video Encode complete
- [11:19:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:19:26] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:19:30] Processing: VID_01033 (6 of 53)
- [11:19:31] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01033]
- [11:19:37] Reencoding video [VID_01033]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,081 frames
- Bitrate: 13,634 Kbs
- [11:19:37] Reencoding: VID_01033, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:19:47] Reencoding: VID_01033, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:19:58] Video Encode complete
- [11:19:58] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:19:58] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:20:03] Processing: VID_01034 (7 of 53)
- [11:20:03] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01034]
- [11:20:09] Reencoding video [VID_01034]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,081 frames
- Bitrate: 13,641 Kbs
- [11:20:09] Reencoding: VID_01034, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:20:20] Video Encode complete
- [11:20:20] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:20:20] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:20:28] Processing: VID_01035 (8 of 53)
- [11:20:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01035]
- [11:20:34] Reencoding video [VID_01035]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,502 Kbs
- [11:20:34] Reencoding: VID_01035, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:21:28] Video Encode complete
- [11:21:28] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:21:29] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:21:33] Processing: VID_01036 (9 of 53)
- [11:21:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01036]
- [11:21:39] Reencoding video [VID_01036]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,260 frames
- Bitrate: 9,306 Kbs
- [11:21:39] Reencoding: VID_01036, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:22:34] Video Encode complete
- [11:22:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:22:35] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:22:39] Processing: VID_01037 (10 of 53)
- [11:22:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01037]
- [11:22:45] Reencoding video [VID_01037]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,260 frames
- Bitrate: 9,309 Kbs
- [11:22:45] Reencoding: VID_01037, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:23:09] Reencoding: VID_01037, Pass 2 of 2
- [11:24:02] Video Encode complete
- [11:24:02] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:24:02] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:24:07] Processing: VID_01038 (11 of 53)
- [11:24:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01038]
- [11:24:13] Reencoding video [VID_01038]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,453 Kbs
- [11:24:13] Reencoding: VID_01038, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:24:35] Reencoding: VID_01038, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:25:31] Video Encode complete
- [11:25:31] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:25:31] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:25:35] Processing: VID_01039 (12 of 53)
- [11:25:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01039]
- [11:25:47] Reencoding video [VID_01039]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- [11:25:47] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 19.20 14.60 18.71 [18.65]
- [11:26:00] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [11:26:54] Video Encode complete
- [11:26:54] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:26:55] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:26:59] Processing: VID_01040 (13 of 53)
- [11:26:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01040]
- [11:27:05] Reencoding video [VID_01040]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- [11:27:05] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 19.21 14.61 18.13 [18.02]
- [11:27:18] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [11:28:16] Video Encode complete
- [11:28:16] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:28:17] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:28:21] Processing: VID_01041 (14 of 53)
- [11:28:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01041]
- [11:28:28] Reencoding video [VID_01041]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,448 Kbs
- [11:28:28] Reencoding: VID_01041, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:29:26] Video Encode complete
- [11:29:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:29:26] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:29:30] Processing: VID_01042 (15 of 53)
- [11:29:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01042]
- [11:29:37] Reencoding video [VID_01042]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,408 frames
- Bitrate: 9,426 Kbs
- [11:29:37] Reencoding: VID_01042, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:30:44] Video Encode complete
- [11:30:44] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:30:44] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:30:49] Processing: VID_01043 (16 of 53)
- [11:30:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01043]
- [11:30:55] Reencoding video [VID_01043]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,485 Kbs
- [11:30:55] Reencoding: VID_01043, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:31:12] Reencoding: VID_01043, Pass 2 of 2


This is a very quick not completed test. Switch AFTER current encode and during multiplexing. Otherwise, are you able to spot the funky whoops?

[Lathe]

Lathe,

Here's our answer...

[11/06/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.25
[11:16:05] Source: GAMEOFTHRONES_S1_D2_(FULL_DISK_PROCESSED)_NOW_TESTING_ONFLY_ENCODE_CHANGE
- Input BD size: 9.86 GB
- Approximate total content: [04:37:15.614]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: High Quality (Default), CRF
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:16:06] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:16:06] Blanking: VID_00002 (1 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Blanking: VID_00003 (2 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Blanking: VID_00004 (3 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Processing: VID_01016 (4 of 53)
- [11:16:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01016]
- [11:16:13] Reencoding video [VID_01016]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,901 frames
- [11:16:13] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 11.00 30.50 16.55 20.55 19.50 [19.77]
- [11:16:34] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [11:18:17] Video Encode complete
- [11:18:17] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:18:17] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:18:22] Processing: VID_01017 (5 of 53)
- [11:18:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01017]
- [11:18:29] Reencoding video [VID_01017]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,901 frames
- Bitrate: 13,640 Kbs
- [11:18:29] Reencoding: VID_01017, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:19:05] Reencoding: VID_01017, Pass 2 of 2
- [11:19:26] Video Encode complete
- [11:19:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:19:26] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:19:30] Processing: VID_01033 (6 of 53)
- [11:19:31] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01033]
- [11:19:37] Reencoding video [VID_01033]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,081 frames
- Bitrate: 13,634 Kbs
- [11:19:37] Reencoding: VID_01033, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:19:47] Reencoding: VID_01033, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:19:58] Video Encode complete
- [11:19:58] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:19:58] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:20:03] Processing: VID_01034 (7 of 53)
- [11:20:03] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01034]
- [11:20:09] Reencoding video [VID_01034]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,081 frames
- Bitrate: 13,641 Kbs
- [11:20:09] Reencoding: VID_01034, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:20:20] Video Encode complete
- [11:20:20] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [11:20:20] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:20:28] Processing: VID_01035 (8 of 53)
- [11:20:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01035]
- [11:20:34] Reencoding video [VID_01035]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,502 Kbs
- [11:20:34] Reencoding: VID_01035, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:21:28] Video Encode complete
- [11:21:28] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:21:29] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:21:33] Processing: VID_01036 (9 of 53)
- [11:21:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01036]
- [11:21:39] Reencoding video [VID_01036]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,260 frames
- Bitrate: 9,306 Kbs
- [11:21:39] Reencoding: VID_01036, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:22:34] Video Encode complete
- [11:22:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:22:35] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:22:39] Processing: VID_01037 (10 of 53)
- [11:22:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01037]
- [11:22:45] Reencoding video [VID_01037]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,260 frames
- Bitrate: 9,309 Kbs
- [11:22:45] Reencoding: VID_01037, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:23:09] Reencoding: VID_01037, Pass 2 of 2
- [11:24:02] Video Encode complete
- [11:24:02] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:24:02] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:24:07] Processing: VID_01038 (11 of 53)
- [11:24:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01038]
- [11:24:13] Reencoding video [VID_01038]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,453 Kbs
- [11:24:13] Reencoding: VID_01038, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:24:35] Reencoding: VID_01038, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:25:31] Video Encode complete
- [11:25:31] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:25:31] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:25:35] Processing: VID_01039 (12 of 53)
- [11:25:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01039]
- [11:25:47] Reencoding video [VID_01039]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- [11:25:47] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 19.20 14.60 18.71 [18.65]
- [11:26:00] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [11:26:54] Video Encode complete
- [11:26:54] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:26:55] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:26:59] Processing: VID_01040 (13 of 53)
- [11:26:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01040]
- [11:27:05] Reencoding video [VID_01040]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- [11:27:05] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 19.21 14.61 18.13 [18.02]
- [11:27:18] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [11:28:16] Video Encode complete
- [11:28:16] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:28:17] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:28:21] Processing: VID_01041 (14 of 53)
- [11:28:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01041]
- [11:28:28] Reencoding video [VID_01041]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,448 Kbs
- [11:28:28] Reencoding: VID_01041, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:29:26] Video Encode complete
- [11:29:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:29:26] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:29:30] Processing: VID_01042 (15 of 53)
- [11:29:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01042]
- [11:29:37] Reencoding video [VID_01042]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,408 frames
- Bitrate: 9,426 Kbs
- [11:29:37] Reencoding: VID_01042, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:30:44] Video Encode complete
- [11:30:44] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [11:30:44] Multiplexing M2TS
- [11:30:49] Processing: VID_01043 (16 of 53)
- [11:30:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_01043]
- [11:30:55] Reencoding video [VID_01043]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,258 frames
- Bitrate: 9,485 Kbs
- [11:30:55] Reencoding: VID_01043, Pass 1 of 2
- [11:31:12] Reencoding: VID_01043, Pass 2 of 2


This is a very quick not completed test. Switch AFTER current encode and during multiplexing. Otherwise, are you able to spot the funky whoops?

Ah, so you DID do it! Great! Thanks kindly for posting that. So then, like you say, wait until the primary CRF encodes are done and as the last episode is multiplexing, THEN switch the encode setting from CRF to, say, Fast ABR, or whatever, right?

[AmigaFuture]

That log is only a "Playing around With"... I don't "wait" for anything, but in the common vernacular, I understand. Hehe. I'd do it as the multiplexing is happening, aye. Remember, I'm NOT currently using "Quicker: Encode for extras". So you'll have to be aware of them yourself. I'll now do a more real...test check with High Speed encoding..and the switch after the last "big" video is multiplexing. Logic of BD-RB suggests this will do very well.

[Lathe]

That log is only a "Playing around With"... I don't "wait" for anything, but in the common vernacular, I understand. Hehe. I'd do it as the multiplexing is happening, aye. Remember, I'm NOT currently using "Quicker: Encode for extras". So you'll have to be aware of them yourself. I'll now do a more real...test check with High Speed encoding..and the switch after the last "big" video is multiplexing. Logic of BD-RB suggests this will do very well.

Very good! I'm really glad that you tested it out. By the time I thought of it, the disc had already gone about 8 hours and I didn't really feel like experimenting on it :)

Thanks again!

[AmigaFuture]

Gratitude profuseness is very humorous to me and not needed. Wink! Appreciate once and let that be. When it's genuine, it's always excepted well the first time. I'm now running a full backup "test"..which should produce a size fitting and good quality result. Unless there's something funky about JD's Logic.. Snickering with smile like the Cheshire Cat.

Update: High Speed and switching to CRF looked good. Also 21GB... For fun, I'm going a "Better" and switching to 1-pass ABR...

[Lathe]

I'm a bit curious... (what else is new... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif)

I inadvertently left my BDRB frame server set to DirectShow because I had been doing The Avengers discs. So, when I went to do a movie like usual, I forgot to change it back to x264's internal one. I notice that with basically the same type / length film, and with all the other settings, including tweaks, exactly the same, for some odd reason the 2nd pass is taking a LOT longer than usual. For a movie if it is fairly good size, I usually set it at 'High' and use the same tweaks that I always do. So, normally using x264's encoder, the 2nd pass generally takes about 8-9 hours. In this case, it is still going and looks like it will take about 13 1/2 hours!

Just really curious as to why that would be...?

Thanks!

[gonca]

DirectShow is 32 bit
x264 internal might be 64 bit, if memory is still good (watch it Lathe)
I notice a fps difference of some 10% between 32 and 64 bit on my system

[Lathe]

DirectShow is 32 bit
x264 internal might be 64 bit, if memory is still good (watch it Lathe)
I notice a fps difference of some 10% between 32 and 64 bit on my system

Ahhhhh, yes, if DS is indeed 32 bit, that very well could be the difference.

Thanks gonca! I KNEW there must be some good reason why you were still here! :D

[gonca]

Thanks gonca! I KNEW there must be some good reason why you were still here! :D

So now we know my reason
What is yours, dear Lathe
P.S.
Like your doll avatar

[Lathe]

So now we know my reason
What is yours, dear Lathe
P.S.
Like your doll avatar

JD specifically pays me to keep an eye on you...

... and the Avatar is Anime, but thanks...

[AmigaFuture]

Heh, gonca got you and I think you missed it!

If JD pays you, then it's not a wonder he's talks about not making enough money, you extortionist! Butt (pun just for you Lathe), JD is a bit smarter than that. So, what's your next story? :D

[Lathe]

Heh, gonca got you and I think you missed it!

If JD pays you, then it's not a wonder he's talks about not making enough money, you extortionist! Butt (pun just for you Lathe), JD is a bit smarter than that. So, what's your next story? :D

As usual, AF, you have run rings around my logic and I am at a total loss... :cool:

[AmigaFuture]

Avatar....Doll....anime; from gonca. Sheesh.

[frank_zappa1]

thank so much this work with avisynth+ ?

[AmigaFuture]

thank so much this work with avisynth+ ?

I think I understand your question. From the first post of this thread that that gives all the details:

1. Download and install AVISYNTH v2.57 or above -- it is free. If you are a DVD-RB user, it is compatible, so no worry. It is required for BD Rebuilder to work. AVISYNTH v2.60 can be downloaded from http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/Avisynth_260.exe or from http://www.avisynth.org.

[gonca]

thank so much this work with avisynth+ ?

No it does not

[LowDead]

No it does not

hmm.. I'm using AviSynth+ it doesn't work with dvd-rb though, so had to install the old one for that..

//LD

[frank_zappa1]

hmm.. I'm using AviSynth+ it doesn't work with dvd-rb though, so had to install the old one for that..

//LD

Why not AVS+ ??? :readrule::readrule::readrule:

[Groucho2004]

:readrule::readrule::readrule:Who is supposed to read which rule?

Why not AVS+ ???AVS+ behaves differently to the "classic" Avisynth in some scenarios and has additional dependencies. I think jdobbs simply wants to exclude another branch of potential bug reports that have nothing to do with his software.

[gonca]

Who is supposed to read which rule?

AVS+ behaves differently to the "classic" Avisynth in some scenarios and has additional dependencies. I think jdobbs simply wants to exclude another branch of potential bug reports that have nothing to do with his software.

All that he needs to do is switch between 32 bit AVS+ and AVS
Only takes a few seconds
Would be nice if BD_RB allowed AVS+, with no bug reports, but such is life

[MrVideo]

Would be nice if BD_RB allowed AVS+, with no bug reports, but such is life
But, would using AVS+ add any value to BDRB? Does AVS provide all of the necessary tools to do what is needed? I believe the answers are no and yes. As pointed out, using AVS+ will more than likely only add the potential for bug reports that are not related to BDRB.

[DoctorM]

Backing up Ladyhawke today (Warner Archive version). This is now the third WAC disc where BD Rebuilder does not recognize the trailer for re-encoding.
It is copied to the final disc untouched, but it does not appear on the stream list so it isn't re-encoded and tracks can't be blanked.

I always keep MIN_M2TS_SIZE & MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS at zero.
Yes I've tried: IGS_ENABLE=1

There is something weird with WAC discs, because I've never seen it happen to any other backups.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

How do I prevent BDRebuilder from recoding to make programming completely fill a BD-R? I have a bunch of TV shows I've recorded onto a DVD-recorder. I am then putting them on my computer HDD as MKV files (so I can change the AR which is set incorrectly by the DVD-recorder), and then I am importing 10 to 12 at a time to make one BD using Quick Play Backup. The files are about 1.7 Gb each so 10 should make a disc about 17 Gb. However, the process takes nearly 2 hours, and I end up with a BD that is 22.3 Gb in size.

I have added FORCE_NOENCODE=1 to my BDRebuilder.ini file. Is there something else I need to do to prevent it recoding? I don't think I care that it completely fills the BD. I just don't want a lot of recoding going on unnecessarily.

TIA.

SMK

[Lathe]

How do I prevent BDRebuilder from recoding to make programming completely fill a BD-R? I have a bunch of TV shows I've recorded onto a DVD-recorder. I am then putting them on my computer HDD as MKV files (so I can change the AR which is set incorrectly by the DVD-recorder), and then I am importing 10 to 12 at a time to make one BD using Quick Play Backup. The files are about 1.7 Gb each so 10 should make a disc about 17 Gb. However, the process takes nearly 2 hours, and I end up with a BD that is 22.3 Gb in size.

I have added FORCE_NOENCODE=1 to my BDRebuilder.ini file. Is there something else I need to do to prevent it recoding? I don't think I care that it completely fills the BD. I just don't want a lot of recoding going on unnecessarily.

TIA.

SMK

I've found that in cases where size is not the issue (I'm talking about Blu-ray files, NOT my personal life, thank you...) usually, it is almost ALWAYS a case where the MKV files are simply not fully compliant with BD specifications. If BDRB notes that, a re-encode will always be done.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

Thanks. I'll search around to see if I can try some other options.

SMK

[musiclover]

Backing up Ladyhawke today (Warner

I always keep MIN_M2TS_SIZE & MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS at zero.
Yes I've tried: IGS_ENABLE=1


What does IGS_ENABLE=1 do? I do not see it described in HIDDENOPTS.TXT

[jdobbs]

What does IGS_ENABLE=1 do? I do not see it described in HIDDENOPTS.TXT It will force streams with IGS be reencoded. It just adds time since TSMUXER doesn't support IGS and BD-RB will have to do some magic to get it muxed. IGS is much more typical in menus than regular video, where they are generally small and BD-RB prefers to leave them intact.

[jdobbs]

How do I prevent BDRebuilder from recoding to make programming completely fill a BD-R? I have a bunch of TV shows I've recorded onto a DVD-recorder. I am then putting them on my computer HDD as MKV files (so I can change the AR which is set incorrectly by the DVD-recorder), and then I am importing 10 to 12 at a time to make one BD using Quick Play Backup. The files are about 1.7 Gb each so 10 should make a disc about 17 Gb. However, the process takes nearly 2 hours, and I end up with a BD that is 22.3 Gb in size.

I have added FORCE_NOENCODE=1 to my BDRebuilder.ini file. Is there something else I need to do to prevent it recoding? I don't think I care that it completely fills the BD. I just don't want a lot of recoding going on unnecessarily.

TIA.

SMKIf the input came from a DVD then it shouldn't need reencoding (unless it is at a resolution lower than 720x480/576). If size isn't an issue -- then just burn the original pseudo-BD structure after the import. The menu created during import is the same menu as you'd get from a follow on "Quick Play Backup". If there is a PSEUDO folder, look in it to see what changes are being made. If it is clear, then just delete the folder (although it won't hurt anything if you don't delete it).

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

If the input came from a DVD then it shouldn't need reencoding (unless it is at a resolution lower than 720x480/576). If size isn't an issue -- then just burn the original pseudo-BD structure after the import. The menu created during import is the same menu as you'd get from a follow on "Quick Play Backup". If there is a PSEUDO folder, look in it to see what changes are being made. If it is clear, then just delete the folder (although it won't hurt anything if you don't delete it).

Thanks for the advice. I will give it a try.

I presume the original pseudo BD structure is located in the "work" folder?

SMK

[jdobbs]

Thanks for the advice. I will give it a try.

I presume the original pseudo BD structure is located in the "work" folder?

SMKYes -- unless you set it elsewhere in the INI file with the "IMPORT_FOLDER=" hidden option.

[Lathe]

Thanks. I'll search around to see if I can try some other options.

SMK

Well, although BDRB natively re-encodes anything that isn't compliant, there may be a hidden option to turn that off. JD or one of the others here can tell you.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

If the input came from a DVD then it shouldn't need reencoding (unless it is at a resolution lower than 720x480/576). If size isn't an issue -- then just burn the original pseudo-BD structure after the import. The menu created during import is the same menu as you'd get from a follow on "Quick Play Backup". If there is a PSEUDO folder, look in it to see what changes are being made. If it is clear, then just delete the folder (although it won't hurt anything if you don't delete it).

I just tried it, and it worked fine. Thanks. This is just what I wanted.

SMK

[jdobbs]

Wow. Have any of you ever tried encoding 2160p video to the 10 bit blu-ray standard with X265? I'm getting 1.22 frames per second. I'm close to making BD-RB work for UHD-BD -- but I don't know if it is worth it when it might take 39 hours for a single pass to encode a two hour movie.

This is on an 8 core AMD FX-8350 running at over 4Ghz. Does anyone else see better results?

[bjones]

jdobbs, I've encountered something I've never seen before, doing Cars 3 the resultant disk is for lack of a better word choppy. It's like a constant consistent stutter of the video ? I thought it might be x264 related so I redid it using FRIM and it's the same result. Then I thought maybe it was some kind of motion processing going on in the TV so I redid basically a direct copy of the original disk to a double layer BD RE and that copy behaved correctly exactly like the original. Also another oddity is that even though I tried to force a no re encode situation by making the target larger than the source it still re encoded things?

Logs attached, is there something I'm missing on getting a playable backup?

[Atak_Snajpera]

This is on an 8 core AMD FX-8350 running at over 4Ghz. Does anyone else see better results?
FX is obsolete. x265 works best on AVX2 cpus (2xFMAC256bit)
http://i.cubeupload.com/KpEjVm.png

Overclocked six core 8700@5GHz is 3 times faster.
http://i.cubeupload.com/tadH6n.png

[Ch3vr0n]

@jdobbs i think the problem here will be your CPU/system A quick google shows that CPU was released in 2012 and x265 was only announced! in 2013 (let alone officially released). The cpu likely just doesn't support it officially. Current generation CPU's and GPU's DO however support it and i doubt those will be 1FPS since they are capable of uhd playback

[jdobbs]

FX is obsolete. x265 works best on AVX2 cpus (2xFMAC256bit)
http://i.cubeupload.com/KpEjVm.pngThat's kinda like saying i5 and i7 are obsolete -- making 90% of the computers being sold obsolete.

Yet the chart shows an FX-8320 running at 12.1fps -- about 10 times faster that I'm getting. The FX-8320 is slower than my processor in every benchmark I can find.

I'm guessing these times aren't using the settings required for UHD-BD or on an 2160p source. If that's the case -- none of these look like they would be up to the task.

[Atak_Snajpera]

If you thought a little bit longer then you would discover that it says FHD aka 1920x1080! Like I said before x265 loves CPUs with real AVX2 (2xFMAC256).
Besides You must have already forgotten times when encoding with x264 was also very painfully slow on 2 core cpus (Core 2 Duo@1.8GHz). People were also waiting a day or two to encode single movie with some decent quality settings.

AMD FX is obsolete. IPC for example is pathetic.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Tsc1ox.png

[jdobbs]

This processor can reencode an entire Blu-Ray disc in under two hours with X264. It's a long way from "obsolete". It does 1080p (FHD) output using X265 at over 17fps (putting it at the top of your first chart). But, hey, let's not let things like FACTS clutter up the conversation.

So, just guessing, an i9 processor might get about 10fps on a UHD-HD 2160p encode. That would translate to about 4.75 hours for a two hour movie (per pass) -- and that's with an $1100 processor (and probably a $4000 computer)! A full backup would likely be twice that long.

The bottom line is that if I add UHD-BD backup capability to BD-RB, everybody is going to complain like hell no matter what processor they have. So I'm reconsidering whether it's worth the remaining effort. At most, for a typical user, it might only be useful for removing or modifying audio tracks to make it fit on a standard blu-ray without reencoding the video.

The testing was with --preset medium. I'll have to see what improvements I get with a lower preset.

[Atak_Snajpera]

The bottom line is that if I add UHD-BD backup capability to BD-RB, everybody is going to complain like hell no matter what processor they have. So I'm reconsidering it.
Just put a warning for those snowflakes and that's it.

[jdobbs]

I'd guess that 90% of the using audience is using processors lower than or slightly better than mine. $4000 computers are for the rich (which I'm not). Anyway, I tested it with --preset superfast and it runs at about 8.5fps, so I can at least test it without having to spend weeks encoding. I'll just keep working on it for now.

Does anyone out there have a reliable command line for X265 that always works for UHD-BD? And please don't suggest using just "--uhd-bd" -- as it results in a blank picture on my Sony UBP-X800 player after being muxed correctly (the muxing works with an original UHD-BD .hevc stream).

[meadrocks]

Is there any reason I can't use x265 ver 2.4 with BD-RB? I like the new enhancement "Lambda tables for 8, 10, and 12-bit encoding revised, resulting in significant enhancement to subjective visual quality.".

[jdobbs]

Is there any reason I can't use x265 ver 2.4 with BD-RB? I like the new enhancement "Lambda tables for 8, 10, and 12-bit encoding revised, resulting in significant enhancement to subjective visual quality.".None that I can think of. Try it and see if it works...

[gonca]

Wow. Have any of you ever tried encoding 2160p video to the 10 bit blu-ray standard with X265? I'm getting 1.22 frames per second. I'm close to making BD-RB work for UHD-BD -- but I don't know if it is worth it when it might take 39 hours for a single pass to encode a two hour movie.

This is on an 8 core AMD FX-8350 running at over 4Ghz. Does anyone else see better results?

Ever considered using HW encoding?
If you post your settings I can try on my system

avs2pipemod\avs2pipemod64.exe" -y4mp W:\TEMP\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3_temp\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3.avs | "C:\Program Files (Portable)\StaxRip\Apps\x265\x265.exe" --crf 18 --profile main10 --output-depth 10 --videoformat component --transfer smpte2084 --range full --hdr --frames 3146 --y4m --output W:\TEMP\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3_temp\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3_out.hevc
With this cmd line I get about 4 fps, kind of slow

[geheim]

I get around 4fps on my Intel i7 with x265 - and I don't care about speed, therefore I really hope you don't decide to drop UHD support, @jdobbs. And speeds will get better with future processors anyway ;)

Perhaps there would be a way to integrate nvenc for NVIDIA GPU's as well?? With this you could increase the speed to more than 100fps - similiar to hw encoding with FRIM. Don't know how much work this would be though.

Anyway thanks for working on this at all :)

[fgm]

Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come"

[Ch3vr0n]

Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come"

forgot something there!

Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come CRASHING WITH BSOD's""

[jdobbs]

I'm starting to wonder if anyone has actually created an HEVC stream with X265 that works on a UHD-BD. Every example I've found online fails.

I can take original streams and remux them to playback perfectly -- but every X265 output I've tried won't play when muxed.

[AmigaFuture]

Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come"

"Make Windows 8 and 10 because Apple is in bed with us, and let's make Windows GUI even worse than 7."

I haven't done much with x265, yet. Plan to...been really busy.

[meadrocks]

None that I can think of. Try it and see if it works...

x265-64.exe version 2.4+14 appears to work just fine, output to a .mkv.

[Monty11]

BD-Rebuilder is a wonderful program - thank you jdobbs! (I've donated.)

I have the StudioCanal blu-ray version of The Third Man (with 21290 on the spine). It has French and Spanish subtitles, but no English subtitles. When I rip the movie to my C drive with MakeMKV and add English subs in an srt file, BD-Rebuilder generates a file where the audio is 2-3 seconds before the video. The audio and video are in sync in the MKV file. If the BD-Rebuilder input is the blu-ray disc (using AnyDVD-HD), the audio and video are in sync - but there are no English subtitles. I get the same results both with and without FFDSHOW, Haali and LAV Filters installed (I followed the 17th October 2017 BDR installation instructions very carefully).

I attach a zip file with the log file and the inf files for the MKV and blu-ray conversions (without FFDSHOW, Haali and LAV). Is there any way to get BDR to make a 25GB blu-ray of this movie that includes subtitles? I'd be grateful for any advice.

[varekai]

BD-Rebuilder is a wonderful program - thank you jdobbs! (I've donated.)
Yes, agreed BD-RB is wonderful! A donation will come from me before Xmas and hopefully from many more.

If your goal is to make a 25GB Blu-ray folder for burning to BD-disc this is what I do when adding ***.srt subs to a BD.
Using tsMuxer, easySUP or goSUP.

easySUP and goSUP can be downloaded from here:
https://www.videohelp.com/software/easySUP
tsMuxer here:
https://www.videohelp.com/software/tsMuxeR

I make my own subtitles for my projects and this workflow is well tested, maybe not the best, maybe akward, but hey, it works for me! :D
...and it's bulletproof!

First find out what fps (MediaInfo) the input video has.
Then use easySUP or goSUP to convert the ***.srt to a ***.sup.
Open your ***.srt file in SUP app.
Set font size, font color and other settings in SUP apps.
Select the correct fps.
You need to do some testing before you have what you want.
When the settings are done hit "Save eSS" to save project file.
This ***.ess file you can load for a another project.
(I have saved more than 50 different settings, fontsize, color, style, position, bold etc.
So convenient and timesaving to just load when making a new project.)
--> Make shure you selected the correct fps before converting. <--
Then let SUP apps to their magic, you now have a ***.sup file.

Open tsMuxer and point to the correct video stream by selecting corresponding ***mpls from your BD title.
Now you can deselect things from your source file if needed.
In tsMuxer click "add" button and point to the newly created ***.sup.
Again check that video and ***.sup has the same fps, set language name.
Move ***.sup upward to where you want it to be displayed, below video and audio.
Leave all other settings as they are.
Select output to "Blu-ray folder".
Let tsMuxer do it's magic.
Play and check you newly created BD title so that video, audio and subs are in sync.

(Maybe BD-RB supports importing ***.sup files? I haven't tested that.)

Then fire up BD-RB and let it do it's magic to make a 25GB BD folder.

About Mr. Deans SUP software there is a bug in easySUP where the ***.sup fps sometimes misses.
So I use goSUP on these ones. A bit of hit and miss but I'll always get it right in the end.

On a sidenote:
I've tried using BD-RB with latest version of LAVFilters 0.70.2 and all seems to work perfectly.
No issues on the 5 or 6 projects I used so far with it.
I only do movie-only so no menus involved.
Remember, no bugreports when using BD-RB with other helper apps versions than jdobbs recommend.

[Blurayhd]

Hi all, hi dear jdobbs I need to tell you this because is about Bd rebuilder and I really hope not break any rules, I need to encode some BD50 to BD25 with Bd rebuilder and I need to move from here one place to another, and I have to use mi laptop and because that I so need to know if can I do it that several times of encoding progress without any problems like problems with hardware, motherboard, memory... you know. If this helps my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 with i5 7th gen and 8gb ddr4 and the hot air come out on the back

I so need to know this guys and if I do wrong asking this here I really sorry I dont have any bad intention

Have a nice day

[jdobbs]

Hi all, hi dear jdobbs I need to tell you this because is about Bd rebuilder and I really hope not break any rules, I need to encode some BD50 to BD25 with Bd rebuilder and I need to move from here one place to another, and I have to use mi laptop and because that I so need to know if can I do it that several times of encoding progress without any problems like problems with hardware, motherboard, memory... you know. If this helps my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 with i5 7th gen and 8gb ddr4 and the hot air come out on the back

I so need to know this guys and if I do wrong asking this here I really sorry I dont have any bad intention

Have a nice dayIt's certainly fine to ask here -- but, unfortunately (and I apologize), I don't understand what you are asking.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

I had asked a couple of weeks ago about copying DVDs to a BD without having BDR re-encode. Let me explain my workflow. I am copying something from D* with a Pioneer DVD Recorder. Unfortunately, it sets the wrong AR flag when recording, 4:3 when it should be 16:9. So I've been copying these to my computer using MakeMKV and then using MKVToolNix to change the flag, which also gives me a chance to number and title each MKV correctly. I then import them in to BDR and can put about half a season of one hour shows on one BD.

They will already fit onto a BD, so JDobbs suggested that I just use the pseudo BD structure of the import and burn the disc. When I tried it on some DVDs I had already on my computer, it appeared to work fine. When I tried it with these shows, though, I found that the resulting un re-encoded m2ts files now were back to a 4:3 AR. If I go through the re-encoding process, they are correct again at 16:9. So something is happening both when importing them and then re encoding them to change the AR.

Now re-encoding these is not a big deal. The quality is acceptable, and I'm not sure I'm seeing a big change from the originals, but I would like to avoid this step. So, does anyone know why this is happening? Or, is there a program I can use to change the AR flag on the m2ts files back to 16:9 and burn them without re-encoding?

TIA.

SMK

[varekai]

Or, is there a program I can use to change the AR flag on the m2ts files back to 16:9 and burn them without re-encoding?

TIA.
SMK
If you are talking about DVD copies from a recordable unit I used this DVDPatcher 1.06
https://www.videohelp.com/software/DVDPatcher

I used to have, ages ago, a Sony RDR-HX 160GB from which I burned recordings to a DVD-RW and then copied back to my PC for editing with menus and stuff.
Aspect ratio was mostly wrong from Sony but DVDPatcher 1.06 worked just fine.

[Blurayhd]

It's certainly fine to ask here -- but, unfortunately (and I apologize), I don't understand what you are asking.

I need to encode with Bd rebuilder some movies that take as we know several time, so I need to use my laptop to encode but I am worry about if my laptop can do it whitout any problems?

Because that, my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 i5 7th gen with 8gbddr4 and I dont know if I use the laptop for encode could be some hardware problem? My laptop take off the hot air by the back

Hope you understand dear jdobbs?

[Ch3vr0n]

laptop should work just fine, just won't be as fast as a desktop can do it that's all

[AmigaFuture]

Hi all, hi dear jdobbs I need to tell you this because is about Bd rebuilder and I really hope not break any rules, I need to encode some BD50 to BD25 with Bd rebuilder and I need to move from here one place to another, and I have to use mi laptop and because that I so need to know if can I do it that several times of encoding progress without any problems like problems with hardware, motherboard, memory... you know. If this helps my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 with i5 7th gen and 8gb ddr4 and the hot air come out on the back

I so need to know this guys and if I do wrong asking this here I really sorry I dont have any bad intention

Have a nice day

When move/copy the BD-RB folders used to a different computer just be sure the source and working paths matches. In INI or Project files. I've done this before from my Notebook to Desktop and visa versa at times.

[jdobbs]

I had asked a couple of weeks ago about copying DVDs to a BD without having BDR re-encode. Let me explain my workflow. I am copying something from D* with a Pioneer DVD Recorder. Unfortunately, it sets the wrong AR flag when recording, 4:3 when it should be 16:9. So I've been copying these to my computer using MakeMKV and then using MKVToolNix to change the flag, which also gives me a chance to number and title each MKV correctly. I then import them in to BDR and can put about half a season of one hour shows on one BD.

They will already fit onto a BD, so JDobbs suggested that I just use the pseudo BD structure of the import and burn the disc. When I tried it on some DVDs I had already on my computer, it appeared to work fine. When I tried it with these shows, though, I found that the resulting un re-encoded m2ts files now were back to a 4:3 AR. If I go through the re-encoding process, they are correct again at 16:9. So something is happening both when importing them and then re encoding them to change the AR.

Now re-encoding these is not a big deal. The quality is acceptable, and I'm not sure I'm seeing a big change from the originals, but I would like to avoid this step. So, does anyone know why this is happening? Or, is there a program I can use to change the AR flag on the m2ts files back to 16:9 and burn them without re-encoding?

TIA.

SMKWhen BD-RB imports an MKV, it uses the aspect ratio reported by MEDIAINFO. That ratio is taken from the stream -- so I don't see how the import could be the cause.

[jdobbs]

I need to encode with Bd rebuilder some movies that take as we know several time, so I need to use my laptop to encode but I am worry about if my laptop can do it whitout any problems?

Because that, my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 i5 7th gen with 8gbddr4 and I dont know if I use the laptop for encode could be some hardware problem? My laptop take off the hot air by the back

Hope you understand dear jdobbs?I can think of no reason there would be a problem with your laptop as long as you have plenty of storage space. The i5 won't be incredibly fast, but it should be adequate.

[Lathe]

I make my own subtitles for my projects and this workflow is well tested, maybe not the best, maybe akward, but hey, it works for me! :D
...and it's bulletproof!

Well, you're awkward, probably should be bulletproof, and most definitely should be tested (for numerous things...) but, hey, we all still love ya! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[Blurayhd]

I can think of no reason there would be a problem with your laptop as long as you have plenty of storage space. The i5 won't be incredibly fast, but it should be adequate.

I appreciate your comment, you know, I asked here because I like to know what people here can say about it. I asked on others places and other people says they dont recommend laptop for this (this is way I preffer your recomendation)

[Monty11]

varekai, thank you for your detailed response - but BD-RB 'Import MKV' accepts .srt subs, either as a separate file or muxed into the MKV file.

I am asking jdobbs if it is a bug that BD-RB produces a 2-3 second delay in the video when the input is an MKV file (made from the original Third Man blu-ray with MakeMKV); the sync problem occurs with or without FFDSHOW-Haali-LAV, and with or without adding an English .srt file. There is no sync problem if BD-RB reads the original blu-ray directly (using AnyDVD-HD), but then I cannot add English subtitles. My previous post included the .log and .inf files. I ran BD-RB as an Administrator in Windows-7 64-bit.

[jdobbs]

varekai, thank you for your detailed response - but BD-RB 'Import MKV' accepts .srt subs, either as a separate file or muxed into the MKV file.

I am asking jdobbs if it is a bug that BD-RB produces a 2-3 second delay in the video when the input is an MKV file (made from the original Third Man blu-ray with MakeMKV); the sync problem occurs with or without FFDSHOW-Haali-LAV, and with or without adding an English .srt file. There is no sync problem if BD-RB reads the original blu-ray directly (using AnyDVD-HD), but then I cannot add English subtitles. My previous post included the .log and .inf files. I ran BD-RB as an Administrator in Windows-7 64-bit.BD-RB uses the audio delay reported by MEDIAINFO when importing an MKV. It's possible it is reporting it incorrectly or it is incorrectly muxed (not sure). I've had that happen to me before at least once.

I know it isn't a problem in 99.9% of MKV files -- as I import them in testing all the time.

[Monty11]

Thanks, jdobbs. How do I find the audio delay reported by MEDIAINFO, please? It is not listed in the standard MEDIAINFO text report.

[jdobbs]

Thanks, jdobbs. How do I find the audio delay reported by MEDIAINFO, please? It is not listed in the standard MEDIAINFO text report.From the command prompt, first set yourself to the folder holding the mkv, then type in:

path\to\bd_rebuilder\tools\mediainfo.exe mkvfilename.mkv


Replace "path\to" and "mkvfilename" with your path/name. If it's not listed, I have to would assume MEDIAINFO didn't report a difference. I believe it is called "Delay relative to video". If it isn't there, BD-RB has no other method by which it adjusts the audio stream, unless your settings are telling it to change the frame rate. Outside of that possibility, I'd have to assume the source is corrupt.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

When BD-RB imports an MKV, it uses the aspect ratio reported by MEDIAINFO. That ratio is taken from the stream -- so I don't see how the import could be the cause.

I understand and appreciate that, but how do they magically return to 16:9 AR when BD Rebuilder re encodes them?

SMK

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

Also, I just downloaded a version of MediaINFO to use in Windows. When I load the original file, it tells me the file is 720*480 (16:9). When I load a file from the "imports" folder in BD, it says it is 720*480 (4:3).

I don't know what is responsible for this change.

SMK

[AmigaFuture]

@ Lathe

Though my logic eludes you at times... How has the changing of encoding quality gone for Series BDs? Or have you checked, yet?

[Lathe]

@ Lathe

Though my logic alludes you at times... How has the changing of encoding quality gone for Series BDs? Or have you checked, yet?

Did I ever actually say that you had any logic...? :)

Hey, thanks for asking. Yeah, it all turned out really well. Most episodes encoded around a CRF of about 18 or so, with a few lower and a couple higher. Looked really good though!

Oh, in the spirit of our Dear Mr. Video, I think that's 'eludes'... :D

[AmigaFuture]

Did I ever actually say that you had any logic...? :)

Hey, thanks for asking. Yeah, it all turned out really well. Most episodes encoded around a CRF of about 18 or so, with a few lower and a couple higher. Looked really good though!

Oh, in the spirit of our Dear Mr. Video, I think that's 'eludes'... :D

JDobbs and I are in the same boat, we both finger blundered some recently. But you only caught mine, neener, neener!! N'Yuk, N'Yuk!

Since it all turned out well did it all turn it in before you got to it? Hmm..

[Lathe]

JDobbs and I are in the same boat, we both finger blundered some recently. But you only caught mine, neener, neener!! N'Yuk, N'Yuk!

Since it all turned out well did it all turn it in before you got to it? Hmm..

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/tsk.gif

[Sharc]

@jdobbs

Just curious: Will this --sar bug (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173) possibly be fixed in the next release? It's still there in the current release, it seems ...
Any thoughts?

[MrVideo]

Oh, in the spirit of our Dear Mr. Video, I think that's 'eludes'... :D
You beat me to it! :cool:

[varekai]

Well, you're awkward, probably should be bulletproof, and most definitely should be tested (for numerous things...) but, hey, we all still love ya! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif
We loves you too! :D
https://s18.postimg.org/82iyfq2bt/im-not-willy-wonka-i-dont-sugar-coat-shit_1.jpg

[Lathe]

You beat me to it! :cool:

Heh heh heh... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

[Lathe]

We loves you too! :D
https://s18.postimg.org/82iyfq2bt/im-not-willy-wonka-i-dont-sugar-coat-shit_1.jpg

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/laugh.gif Oh brother... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[gonca]

Hey Lathe
Found the your picture from last week

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9bbf/h74q5e5yh7e6si34g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/h74q5e5yh7e6si3/9322250.jpg)

[gonca]

varekai
We loves you too!

No we don't

@Lathe
Before you remark
See post above

[Lathe]

Hey Lathe
Found the your picture from last week

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9bbf/h74q5e5yh7e6si34g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/h74q5e5yh7e6si3/9322250.jpg)

Don't these guys have jobs, or a life, or something... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[AmigaFuture]

@ Lathe

Some go hunting around the Internet for Kiddie pictures. *Yikes, haha* What do you think?

@ JD

Anyway...

Okay, I'm request some help. How do I get a .wav files to be accepted in place of .dts for multiplexing? Seems I'm missing something. Replace an AC3 with AC3, not a problem. I'm (damn it, that kid in the picture keeps looking at me...I'm really becoming bothered...haha) using .wav made by DVDFab that has you-know-what removed. Challenge is, it's only working in Move Only copies (as they call it). So the BD structure is Movie only. Doesn't work with my BD in Full Backup...yet.

For now, I'm fine with a DTS--ish WAV file without you-know-what. Renaming the .wav to .dts doesn't do it. tsMuxR hangs..and such. Makes sense. I've edited the MUX_00xxx.meta files but those are overwritten each time you want to resume -- so no go. I've modified the AUD_00xxx_xxxx.AVS, but that doesn't get the result (so far). I've replaced the M2TS files, but that just gets a realllllllly slow process that seems to hang.

JD, help?

[varekai]

varekai
No we don't...
Yes WE do!
https://s18.postimg.org/9ozfsvquh/back-at-the-farm.jpg

[MrVideo]

Found the your picture from last week
English not your first language?

[MrVideo]

How do I get a .wav files to be accepted in place of .dts for multiplexing? Seems I'm missing something. Replace an AC3 with AC3, not a problem. I'm using .wav made by DVDFab that has you-know-what removed. Challenge is, it's only working in Move[sic] Only copies (as they call it). So the BD structure is Movie only. Doesn't work with my BD in Full Backup...yet.
I have no idea what you mean by "you-know-what removed." That said, WAV audio files are not Blu-ray compliant. If you are trying to actually get a LPCM audio stream, I have to ask... why? LPCM files are huge. They eat up lots of space. What is wrong with keeping the original DTS audio stream?

[AmigaFuture]

I was having fun about Cinavia. Check here (http://blog.dvdfab.cn/cinavia-protection.html). The copy replaces DTS-HD with a WAV equivalent without the watermark.

I haven't used and forgot about KEEP_HD_LPCM=n. Checking that now...

[MrVideo]

I was having fun about Cinavia.
Oh. Seems that Universal/Lionsgate and Sony have stopped using it. Might be because it has been broken. So, the whole issue with Cinavia going forward might be moot.
The copy replaces DTS-HD with a WAV equivalent without the watermark.
Actually it replaces it with a LPCM audio stream. While LPCM and WAV are both PCM audio, they are not the same. The headers are different. That is why you had me confused, using WAV instead of LPCM.

I suspect that DVDFab can't recode back to DTS-HD/MA because of licensing. Being a commercial product, DTS would want money. LPCM is free. I can't think of a reason why DVDFab can't remux the LPCM stream back into the movie backup. Other than the video would have to be recoded to an even smaller size, in order to keep all of the other audio streams and the special features, etc. By doing the movie only version, the video doesn't have to be shrunk as much.

You can recode the LPCM to DTS with ffmpeg or ffdcaenc (which is supposed to be a little better than ffmpeg). I doubt that you'll hear the difference.

[Ch3vr0n]

Replacing the audio was established YEARS ago, Cinavia is now (believe it or not) nearly 6 years old. and doing that opens up a whole shitload of problematic things.

audio duration must match to the last frame, bitrate must be valid, channels must be valid, codec must be valid,... just a complete nightmare

[Lathe]

Hey Lathe
Found the your picture from last week


English not your first language?
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/laugh_above.gif http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rotflmao.gif

Sorry gonca, couldn't help it... :)

[Lathe]

Yes WE do!
https://s18.postimg.org/9ozfsvquh/back-at-the-farm.jpg

Oh boy... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif Let's not get carried away here... :)

[Lathe]

I have no idea what you mean by "you-know-what removed." That said, WAV audio files are not Blu-ray compliant. If you are trying to actually get a LPCM audio stream, I have to ask... why? LPCM files are huge. They eat up lots of space. What is wrong with keeping the original DTS audio stream?

I was rather curious about this too AF...??? If you use the 'Keep LPCM' that should do it as long as you have the room

[Lathe]

Oh. Seems that Universal/Lionsgate and Sony have stopped using it. Might be because it has been broken. So, the whole issue with Cinavia going forward might be moot.

Man, that sure would be NICE! What a nasty little bugger... Whomever came up with that little gem should be consigned to the same place as dictators who use chemical weapons on their own people.

(well, that MIGHT be overstating it just a bit...)

Seriously though, are they REALLY not using it any more? That would be frigg'n AWESOME! Do you know why in detail they are not using it anymore if that is the case?

[Lathe]

Replacing the audio was established YEARS ago, Cinavia is now (believe it or not) nearly 6 years old. and doing that opens up a whole shitload of problematic things.

audio duration must match to the last frame, bitrate must be valid, channels must be valid, codec must be valid,... just a complete nightmare

What does that mean Ch3vr0n? It sure sounds ominous. I don't quite understand. Does this mean a 'good' thing or a 'bad' thing...?

[MrVideo]

Seriously though, are they REALLY not using it any more? That would be frigg'n AWESOME! Do you know why in detail they are not using it anymore if that is the case?
The latest Universal/Lionsgate and Sony releases that I got my hands on were without Cinavia. As to why, I have no idea, as they have not officially said anything. Nor do I expect them to. They certainly are not going to admit defeat. They still label DVD/Blu-ray/4K releases as being copy protected, knowing full well they aren't. Here's hoping they continue to not use Cinavia.

As a side note, I fixed Sony releases by using the AC3 audio stream from the DVD release. I initially did that with Universal/Lionsgate releases, until they caught on and also started adding Cinavia to their DVD releases.

[MrVideo]

audio duration must match to the last frame, bitrate must be valid, channels must be valid, codec must be valid,... just a complete nightmare
How do you figure? It has not been a nightmare for a lot of people.

[Lathe]

The latest Universal/Lionsgate and Sony releases that I got my hands on were without Cinavia. As to why, I have no idea, as they have not officially said anything. Nor do I expect them to. They certainly are not going to admit defeat. They still label DVD/Blu-ray/4K releases as being copy protected, knowing full well they aren't. Here's hoping they continue to not use Cinavia.

As a side note, I fixed Sony releases by using the AC3 audio stream from the DVD release. I initially did that with Universal/Lionsgate releases, until they caught on and also started adding Cinavia to their DVD releases.

Wow, well, that is just friggin' GREAT that it is gone, hopefully for good! To me that was one of the most insidious encryption creations...

[AmigaFuture]

I should have typed LPCM. Having BD-RB convert the LPCM to AC-3 is pretty good. Sound is very good...and the "new" AC-3 from LPCM replacing the "infected AC-3" to the BD with movie and extras seems to be doing well. I'll check it all soon.

[MrVideo]

Wow, well, that is just friggin' GREAT that it is gone, hopefully for good!
You and me both.
To me that was one of the most insidious encryption creations...
Technically it wasn't any form of encryption. It is more of a watermark.

With our luck, it'll show up again. :devil:

[MrVideo]

I should have typed LPCM. Having BD-RB convert the LPCM to AC-3 is pretty good. Sound is very good...and the "new" AC-3 from LPCM replacing the "infected AC-3" to the BD with movie and extras seems to be doing well. I'll check it all soon.
IMHO, it would be a "little" better if it were re-coded to DTS. It can have a bitrate that is a little more than twice that of AC3. That would allow it to keep more of the "info" that is in Dolby-TrueHD/DTS-MA audio streams. And the program to do it, ffdcaenc, is free. I use it quite a bit.

[Lathe]

IMHO, it would be a "little" better if it were re-coded to DTS. It can have a bitrate that is a little more than twice that of AC3. That would allow it to keep more of the "info" that is in Dolby-TrueHD/DTS-MA audio streams. And the program to do it, ffdcaenc, is free. I use it quite a bit.

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/this.gif

Absolutely! Why setting for 640 (or less) when you can have DTS @ 1536...??? Of course, SOME older films or material it might not matter much, but anything with a decent soundtrack...???

[jdobbs]

Absolutely! Why setting for 640 (or less) when you can have DTS @ 1536...??? Of course, SOME older films or material it might not matter much, but anything with a decent soundtrack...???Because it's a waste. If AC3 at 640Kbs is invisible and indistinguishable from the original LPCM to the human ear -- why do you need a higher bitrate? Save the extra bandwidth so it can be used to improve your video.

[gonca]

Because it's a waste. If AC3 at 640Kbs is invisible and indistinguishable from the original LPCM to the human ear -- why do you need a higher bitrate? Save the extra bandwidth so it can be used to improve your video.

Yep! +1
But that's Lathe, he likes to overly tweak things to the point where they waste time and space.
He seems to have an anal compulsive obsession about these things.
And then there's MrVideo, he knows better

[MrVideo]

And then there's MrVideo, he knows better
While I supposedly know better, I too agree with using DTS for sources that start out with DTS-MA, or Dolby TrueHD. that are converted to LPCM. DTS is just a little better encoder. Use 768k if you want to save on some bitrate.

[Lathe]

Because it's a waste. If AC3 at 640Kbs is invisible and indistinguishable from the original LPCM to the human ear -- why do you need a higher bitrate? Save the extra bandwidth so it can be used to improve your video.

DOHHHHH! Crap! I totally forgot how you feel about that! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

[Lathe]

Yep! +1
But that's Lathe, he likes to overly tweak things to the point where they waste time and space.
He seems to have an anal compulsive obsession about these things.
And then there's MrVideo, he knows better

Oh, the pain, the pain...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/sigh1.gif

[AmigaFuture]

You and me both.

Technically it wasn't any form of encryption. It is more of a watermark.

With our luck, it'll show up again. :devil:

Leave me out of that our statement. I don't accept luck as a truth, I'm not into superstitions. Will there be some other form of "protection"? to attempt to stop pirates and cause challenges for legal owners? Sure...perhaps. Some things repeat in evolution while others stop.

I'm into Eastern medicine, thoughts and activities for the body that bests Western Docs. I still hear sounds a bit better than most I've met. I'll check into ffdcaenc with 768k for fun.

[MrVideo]

Leave me out of that our statement.
Huh?
I don't accept luck as a truth, I'm not into superstitions.
Who said anything about luck being truth? You consider luck a superstition?

[Lathe]

Huh?

Who said anything about luck being truth? You consider luck a superstition?

Ahhhhh.... Now, THIS is interesting.

On one side we have the ever proper, ever precise Mr. Video...

On the other side, we have the Eastern flavoured, philosophical, enigmatic AF...

I think the Universe is just about ready to implode... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[AmigaFuture]

Huh?

I was...in part..having fun with you.

Who said anything about luck being truth? You consider luck a superstition?

Luck, lucky, etc.. are colloquialism. Live the life I've lived and experiences I've had in this life (as well as previous) and...you'll know without a doubt luck doesn't have anything to do with anything (nor is anything preordained). Thus, yes. There is a reason why Science and Churches butt heads. But Quantum brings things together. Luck doesn't fit into anything, except to be a silly phrase to be used as an excuse for deeper understanding--or "general" conversations (Weee!!). But I don't wish to stray too much off topic. Superstitions are funny.. Does a Black Cat crossing your Path really cause bad luck? I have had 3 Black Cats in 30+ years...Uhh, they don't. I'm very aware of my movements and actions through the moments of a day. Depends on your Mind and what You accept/reject. I'm very open but not to "luck/magic". Love to know how and why, which totally removes luck/superstition.

@ Lathe

"I think the Universe is just about ready to implode... " -- Hahahha!! Nice! Yeah, and Armageddon will ever actually BE something real. Funny. More like Multi-Verse.. Wink!

[LowDead]

@jdobbs: Hi! Don't know if you made any progress on UHD backups. Have you successfully encode anything yet? Anyhow, the bad monkey have gotten around to make uhd backups work (currently full disc with all available streams and movie only with ability to remove streams.) I made a backup and have info on working video stream if that can help you... I can also volunteer to test on a standalone Samsung UDP-K8500 when you come closer to working version :D

Have a nice day!

//LD

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\WORK\FullDisc\The Smurfs 2\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 38.7 GiB
Duration : 1 h 53 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 49.0 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mb/s

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : 36
Duration : 1 h 44 min
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : SMPTE ST 2084
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : R: x=0.680000 y=0.320000, G: x=0.265000 y=0.690000, B: x=0.150000 y=0.060000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.329000
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000.0000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1132 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 923 cd/m2

[jdobbs]

I have it working -- and in fact have done a couple backups. But there is still a lot of work to be done in automating the entire process and lots and lots of testing. I'm also sure I will find that there is a lot of tweaking to be done when I try more sources. I also have to consider that the holidays are coming up and which I will be entertaining visitors. I'm guessing I might have a UHD-BD version released by the end of the month -- but more probably it will be some time in January.

My biggest challenge is that I don't have a copy of the updated UHD-BD standard. So I've had to spend a lot of time going through files scanning and/or dumping information that would have been easy to look up. It's also no help that even my fastest processor is performing these encodes at a snail's pace. But I simply can't afford to replace it. I was stretching it by buying a UHD-BD player.

[Ch3vr0n]

There's not just UHD jd. 4K doesnt automatically mean UHD and reverse. Then you also have the "high dynamic range" bonus thing too. and apparently something new "Ultra HD Premium"

[LowDead]

There's not just UHD jd. 4K doesnt automatically mean UHD and reverse. Then you also have the "high dynamic range" bonus thing too. and apparently something new "Ultra HD Premium"

Ultra HD Premium is just a "certificate" that says the media is above a certain quality. Nothing special about that.. HDR is another thing though.

//LD

[jdobbs]

The correct terminology, according to everything I’ve read, when it is applied to BD is UHD-BD. So that’s what I call it as well. That includes HDR, 2160p, 10 bit color, etc. If I find a more definitive term - then I’ll call it that. Trying to call it anything else right now is just symantics.

[abbadon]

Can someone remind me of avisynth scrip or some other way to rotate the video 90 degress before encoding? Couple short cell phone videos i want to burn to dvd

[meadrocks]

Ran Avatar last night 1080p, x265 to a mkv, 21 CRF. Every time a Na'vi language subtitle of the appears on screen the video stutters. Are there any work arounds for this?

[joubel]

Hi!

I have installed the new version to a clean windows 7 64bit, with all the additional software (just like in the readme), after that, it started to "fail re-encode" (+ the old one still can run after the windows re-install, but it fails too now). Most of the time i had to continue 1-2 times to finish, but it can't get through on one BD (Priest 2011 1080p GBR AVC). I'm not compressing, just demuxing unnecessary audio dubs). What should i do to make it work? Do i need to post some log file in the thread?

[gonca]

Can someone remind me of avisynth scrip or some other way to rotate the video 90 degress before encoding? Couple short cell phone videos i want to burn to dvd

look for Rotate plugin

[gonca]

Hi!

I have installed the new version to a clean windows 7 64bit, with all the additional software (just like in the readme), after that, it started to "fail re-encode" (+ the old one still can run after the windows re-install, but it fails too now). Most of the time i had to continue 1-2 times to finish, but it can't get through on one BD (Priest 2011 1080p GBR AVC). I'm not compressing, just demuxing unnecessary audio dubs). What should i do to make it work? Do i need to post some log file in the thread?

Please post the log file

[gonca]

Ran Avatar last night 1080p, x265 to a mkv, 21 CRF. Every time a Na'vi language subtitle of the appears on screen the video stutters. Are there any work arounds for this?

Could be a player issue

[abbadon]

look for Rotate plugin

thanks

[meadrocks]

Could be a player issue

I use kodi as a player on all my TVs, it plays x264 & x265 content with no problems with hundreds of movies output from BD-RB. Also stutters on vlc & mplayer on my ubuntu pc. According to the subtitle db (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nAMVVnmk3vSaUiuFXcN7D0R69FHIP4tfIkTdThTkXEk/edit#gid=20) there are issues with the subtitles with bdsup2sub, not sure if BD-RB uses that util.

[gonca]

Don't think it does, and the issues are frame rate based and shouldn't cause stutters
Are your subtitle hard coded

[joubel]

Please post the log file

Thanks, but it seems the problem is solved by check in the option: use x264/lav filter

[meadrocks]

Don't think it does, and the issues are frame rate based and shouldn't cause stutters
Are your subtitle hard coded

Na'vi translation is part of the main English subtitle track, however is in a different font and tagged as forced.

[gonca]

Try it without the subtitles and see if there any issues at those points

[Lathe]

Try it without the subtitles and see if there any issues at those points

I'm sorry... but, did anyone ask you...?

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/laugh2.gif

[Video Dude]

I have it working -- and in fact have done a couple backups. But there is still a lot of work to be done in automating the entire process and lots and lots of testing. I'm also sure I will find that there is a lot of tweaking to be done when I try more sources. I also have to consider that the holidays are coming up and which I will be entertaining visitors. I'm guessing I might have a UHD-BD version released by the end of the month -- but more probably it will be some time in January.


Will a standalone 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player accept and play UHD backup discs that are on BD-R 50 discs?

[MrVideo]

Will a standalone 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player accept and play UHD backup discs that are on BD-R 50 discs?
That is a damn good question, which might be vendor specific.

For example, my Samsung BD players will not accept BD authored material on DVD media.

[drmih]

I have used dvdfab to compress the same source to bd-50 and bd-25 and both play on an Xbox One S and a Panasonic standalone. However, a Playstation 4 Pro, which supports hdr / uhd (albeit with only a blu ray drive) tries but hangs on a black screen.

[Ch3vr0n]

what does that have to do with bdrb, this isn't a dvdfab problem thread

[drmih]

what does that have to do with bdrb, this isn't a dvdfab problem thread

Why don't you spend more time reading the two posts above mine than being a pillock!

[jdobbs]

Will a standalone 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player accept and play UHD backup discs that are on BD-R 50 discs?4K on BD-50 is part of the standard -- so yes. My Sony standalone also plays 4K on BD-25 -- and I suspect most do.

[Lathe]

Why don't you spend more time reading the two posts above mine than being a pillock!http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/laugh_above.gif

[LowDead]

Will a standalone 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player accept and play UHD backup discs that are on BD-R 50 discs?

My Samsung UBD-K8500 have no problem at all with UHD on BD50. Haven't tried BD25 but I don't see why not. What I want to know if anyone of the standalone players accepts BDXL..

//LD

[jdobbs]

My Samsung UBD-K8500 have no problem at all with UHD on BD50. Haven't tried BD25 but I don't see why not. What I want to know if anyone of the standalone players accepts BDXL..

//LDI suspect UHD on BD-25 will work on every player... as BD-50 is included in the specification, and I don't think players distinguish between BD-25/50 (except capacity, of course). BD-25 plays perfectly on my Sony UBP-X800. Since the spec increased the maximum bitrate on BD for UHD-BD, I'm thinking UHD-BD discs always spin at 2x too, but that's just a guess.

[ocean]

My Samsung UBD-K8500 have no problem at all with UHD on BD50. Haven't tried BD25 but I don't see why not. What I want to know if anyone of the standalone players accepts BDXL..

//LD

Maybe oppo 203 with jailbreak firmware support BD-XL, others standalone i do not know.

@jdobbs

For UHD projects, the disk types are:
BD_50_LTR: this output will 50GB, double layer disc with a maximum allowable bitrate multiplex of 64 Mbps
BD_50_DTR: this output will 50GB, double layer disc with a maximum allowable bitrate multiplex of 81.7 Mbps
BD_66_LTR :: This will produce a 66IT, double layer disc with a maximum allowable bitrate multiplex of 81.7 Mbps
BD_66_DTR: this output will a 66IT, double layer disc with a maximum allowable bitrate multiplex of 109 Mbps
BD_66_HTR: this output will a 66IT, double layer disc with maximum allowed bitrate up to 109 Mbps in the LTR area and 127.9 Mbps in the HTR zone
BD_100_LTR: this output will a 100GB, triple layer disc with a maximum allowable bitrate multiplex of 81.7 Mbps
BD_100_DTR: this output will a 100GB, triple layer disc with a maximum allowable bitrate multiplex of 109 Mbps
BD_100_HTR: this output will a 100GB, triple layer disc with maximum allowed bitrate of up to 109 Mbps in the LTR area and 127.9 Mbps in the HTR zone.

[jdobbs]

My Samsung UBD-K8500 have no problem at all with UHD on BD50. Haven't tried BD25 but I don't see why not. What I want to know if anyone of the standalone players accepts BDXL..

//LDI have a BD-XL burner and BD-XL rewritable disc -- I'll give it a try. I can say for sure, though, that my BD-XL drive won't read a standard UHD-BD disc.

[jdobbs]

@ocean -- Thanks. Yeah, I got that and some other good information related to the specification from the "White Paper Blu-ray Disc Read-Only Format (Ultra HD Blu-ray) Audio Visual Application Format Specifications for BD-ROM Version 3.1" which is publicly available for download.

[ocean]

Thank you for everything you did for all of us, if necessary, I have a compatible system full Blu-Ray UHD: Mainboard ASRock Z270, CPU Kaby Lake I7 7700 iGPU 630, drive Pioneeer BDR-S11J-BK and LG BH16NS55, Samsung UBD-K8500, Xbox ONE X.

[LowDead]

I have a BD-XL burner and BD-XL rewritable disc -- I'll give it a try. I can say for sure, though, that my BD-XL drive won't read a standard UHD-BD disc.

Thanks.. And maybe I should say that I tried BDXL on the Samsung but it didn't work.

//LD

[jdobbs]

I'm still working on the UHD-BD capability in BD-RB -- but I thought some of you might find this post (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175120) interesting in the meantime.

Merry Christmas!

[Acerjen]

Merry Christmas to you too, Jdobbs.

Quick question on UHD-BD...when re-encoding video streams to fit onto a BD-25 or BD-50, do you lose HDR or is it somehow retained? Thanks.

Later,
Acerjen

[jdobbs]

Merry Christmas to you too, Jdobbs.

Quick question on UHD-BD...when re-encoding video streams to fit onto a BD-25 or BD-50, do you lose HDR or is it somehow retained? Thanks.

Later,
AcerjenThat would depend upon what you are using to serve the frames. But, yes, you can retain it when reencoding with X265.

[sneaker_ger]

Do you mean x265? x264 cannot set master display information AFAIK.

[jdobbs]

Do you mean x265? x264 cannot set master display information AFAIK.Yep. My mistake. I corrected it.

[Acerjen]

That would depend upon what you are using to serve the frames. But, yes, you can retain it when reencoding with X265.

Which frame server will allow you to retain the HDR info? And will you make it the default frame server for re-encoding UHD-BD?

[jdobbs]

Which frame server will allow you to retain the HDR info? And will you make it the default frame server for re-encoding UHD-BD?FFMPEG apparently allows it... and it will be used by BD-RB for UHD-BD encodings.

[laserfan]

I'm still working on the UHD-BD capability in BD-RB -- but I thought some of you might find this post (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175120) interesting in the meantime.

Merry Christmas!

Yikes TSM2UHD???

I recall when BD-RB was just a gleam in your eye, what, eight? nine? years ago? and here you (still) are approaching 10 million views of this thread.

Congrats, Merry Christmas, and may you find some Amazon Wish List goodies under your tree!

[jdobbs]

Yikes TSM2UHD???

I recall when BD-RB was just a gleam in your eye, what, eight? nine? years ago? and here you (still) are approaching 10 million views of this thread.

Congrats, Merry Christmas, and may you find some Amazon Wish List goodies under your tree!Hard to believe it was that long ago, isn't it? I'm still hoping to earn the "longest software in beta" award.

[soneca]

I remember until today when Mr. Jerry Dobbs decided to release the first version of BD Rebuilder in 2008 for us more or less at that time, time flies, I was only testing after several versions because it was still "nailed" to DVD-Rebuilder and had not yet purchased a blu-ray driver. Although I participate little, I am always following this thread.

Merry Christmas to all!

[varekai]

Yep! DVD-Rebuilder was/is a great software and BD-RB is one-of-a-kind!
Happy holidays jdobbs!

[jdobbs]

Happy Holidays to all of you.

[Sharc]

Quick-play reauthoring mode with attempt to find the original background for BD import/Quick-play.
All went fine until:-
- Building menu structure .... ¨
seemed to last forever, until I noticed that the full feature was about to be copied as menu backdrop.

Inspecting the clip 00000.m2ts which most probably should have been used for the menu backdrop with media info:
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : K:\BD Movies\BD LOTR_RETURN_OF_THE_KING\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
CompleteName_Last : K:\BD Movies\BD LOTR_RETURN_OF_THE_KING\BDMV\STREAM\00029.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video

I wonder whether the blue line was the culprit? (I have never seen the "CompleteName_Last" before.)

Anyway, I eventually remuxed with a static menu backdrop picture and all went fine.

Happy Holidays!

[jdobbs]

Quick-play reauthoring mode with attempt to find the original background for BD import/Quick-play.
All went fine until:-
- Building menu structure .... ¨
seemed to last forever, until I noticed that the full feature was about to be copied as menu backdrop.

Inspecting the clip 00000.m2ts which most probably should have been used for the menu backdrop with media info:
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : K:\BD Movies\BD LOTR_RETURN_OF_THE_KING\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
CompleteName_Last : K:\BD Movies\BD LOTR_RETURN_OF_THE_KING\BDMV\STREAM\00029.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video

I wonder whether the blue line was the culprit? (I have never seen the "CompleteName_Last" before.)

Anyway, I eventually remuxed with a static menu backdrop picture and all went fine.

Happy Holidays!Now that's interesting.

[Lathe]

Quick-play reauthoring mode with attempt to find the original background for BD import/Quick-play.
All went fine until:-
- Building menu structure .... ¨
seemed to last forever, until I noticed that the full feature was about to be copied as menu backdrop.

Inspecting the clip 00000.m2ts which most probably should have been used for the menu backdrop with media info:
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : K:\BD Movies\BD LOTR_RETURN_OF_THE_KING\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
CompleteName_Last : K:\BD Movies\BD LOTR_RETURN_OF_THE_KING\BDMV\STREAM\00029.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video

I wonder whether the blue line was the culprit? (I have never seen the "CompleteName_Last" before.)

Anyway, I eventually remuxed with a static menu backdrop picture and all went fine.

Happy Holidays!

Well, that WOULD save you one click if the movie were playing as the menu background...

[MrVideo]

Happy Holidays to ALL! :cool:

[Sharc]

Well, that WOULD save you one click if the movie were playing as the menu background...
Sharp reasoning! Bravo!

[duftopia]

Happy Holidays to ALL! :cool:

May your Beta bdrebuilder years last another 2 decades, and your forum live on forever in the library of congress :logfile:

[Lathe]

Sharp reasoning! Bravo!

Thanks! I must admit that I've learned a LOT from all you guys here... I really owe all I am and all I know to all of you! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[MrVideo]

Thanks! I must admit that I've learned a LOT from all you guys here... I really owe all I am and all I know to all of you! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif
I feel sorry for your school teachers. How did you ever graduate high school? :D

[Lathe]

I feel sorry for your school teachers. How did you ever graduate high school? :D


... and who says that I even WENT to high school...? http://lathe-of-heaven.com/neo.gif

[MrVideo]

... and who says that I even WENT to high school...?
There is that.

[gonca]

Thanks! I must admit that I've learned a LOT from all you guys here... I really owe all I am and all I know to all of you!
And after 10 seconds you must have fallen asleep

... and who says that I even WENT to high school...?
We didn't even accuse you of seeing the inside of a kindergarten room

[Lathe]

We didn't even accuse you of seeing the inside of a kindergarten room

Well, I just might see them more often now than you think, but, I don't really think it's necessary to get into that right now... :cool:

[jdobbs]

Well, I just might see them more often now than you think, but, I don't really think it's necessary to get into that right now... :cool:
That comment might be taken as a little scary...

[Lathe]

That comment might be taken as a little scary...

No, no, noooooo..... No NO! Not at all... Nah... Nope! Move along...
Nothing at all to see here... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[AmigaFuture]

Does anyone have Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1?

Are you able to get the Pilot episode to look GOOD with IVTC or Deinterlace OR both? As well as not ignore the 16:9 during import OR okay after Import but not durring BD-25 Rerender (that's the objective with the rest of the episodes)? A little frustrated, I'll post more soon..

[MrVideo]

Does anyone have Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1?
I have it, but have no reason to do anything with the content.
Are you able to get the Pilot episode to look GOOD with IVTC or Deinterlace OR both?
One does not IVTC and de-interlace at the same time. It is one or the other. If you de-interlace, you can't IVTC and if you IVTC, there is nothing to de-interlace.

UPDATE: I took the first chapter of the pilot and ran it through my script to IVTC it and recode to H.264 (720x480p23.976 16:9). I used 4Mbps, 2-pass. The result looked really good, considering the 6Mbps MPEG-2 source.

I did have an issue in that the encoder doesn't seem to like 480i video (MPEG-2 or H.264), as it results in a green bar at the bottom of the image. But, as a test, I resized the video to 1020x1080 before recoding and the same green bar is there. The upscaled video looked damn good, again considering the source. So, it isn't the encoder, but the filter that does the IVTC work. Yep, it was the AVS filter set that I used. I changed to a different one and all was well.

Bottom line, I had no trouble doing IVTC to 23.976 and recoding to H.264.

[Thor263]

I've been playing around with BD Rebuilder and importing MKV files I've created myself with MakeMKV from my various discs. I've been trying some movie only MKVs, but am not having much success. Here's an example:

[12/26/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.25
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 60.33GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[12/26/17] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[19:16:59] Importing MKV: ELF
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[21:02:30]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
----------------------

There isn't much to go on in the log. Any ideas as to what I can check or try? Thanks!

[MrVideo]

I've been playing around with BD Rebuilder and importing MKV files I've created myself with MakeMKV from my various discs. I've been trying some movie only MKVs, but am not having much success.

There isn't much to go on in the log. Any ideas as to what I can check or try? Thanks!
Post the mediainfo output from one of your MKV files.

[duftopia]

I seriously Slept through High School, that is the picture they posted in the year book. I woke up in college, was amazed that there was actually something to be taught in the American School system. I look back on those de-population days and now think, GOD I can't wait to graduate from this....

Happy New Year (to smart eguys!), I'm 54 my brain is jello now!
DTroot!
Duf

[Lathe]

I seriously Slept through High School, that is the picture they posted in the year book. I woke up in college, was amazed that there was actually something to be taught in the American School system. I look back on those de-population days and now think, GOD I can't wait to graduate from this....

Happy New Year (to smart eguys!), I'm 54 my brain is jello now!
DTroot!
Duf

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/thumbsup.gif

[Thor263]

Post the mediainfo output from one of your MKV files.

Sure...

General
Unique ID : 41011939381608869408184187379477506722 (0x1EDA9CBA01D2DD16311208AC025DEAA2)
Complete name : /Volumes/Backups/Rip/Elf.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 16.9 GiB
Duration : 1 h 36 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.1 Mb/s
Movie name : elf
Encoded date : UTC 2017-12-17 17:30:48
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.10.8 darwin(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.10.8 (1.3.5/1.4.7) darwin(x64-release)
Original source medium : Blu-ray

Video
ID : 1
ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : VC-1
Format profile : Advanced@L3
Codec ID : V_MS/VFW/FOURCC / WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1 h 36 min
Bit rate : 22.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.442
Stream size : 14.8 GiB (88%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
ID in the original source medium : 4353 (0x1101)
Format : TrueHD
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 1 h 36 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 512 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 2 970 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 1.02 GiB (6%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 3
ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 30 min
Bit rate : 409 kb/s
Count of elements : 13409
Stream size : 265 MiB (2%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 5
ID in the original source medium : 4609 (0x1201)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 30 min
Bit rate : 446 kb/s
Count of elements : 13090
Stream size : 289 MiB (2%)
Language : German
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 7
ID in the original source medium : 4610 (0x1202)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 36 min
Bit rate : 356 kb/s
Count of elements : 12785
Stream size : 245 MiB (1%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #4
ID : 9
ID in the original source medium : 4611 (0x1203)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 29 min
Bit rate : 139 kb/s
Count of elements : 4362
Stream size : 88.6 MiB (1%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #5
ID : 11
ID in the original source medium : 4612 (0x1204)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 29 min
Bit rate : 164 kb/s
Count of elements : 4364
Stream size : 105 MiB (1%)
Language : German
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #6
ID : 13
ID in the original source medium : 4613 (0x1205)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 29 min
Bit rate : 157 kb/s
Count of elements : 4362
Stream size : 100 MiB (1%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 01
00:03:45.934 : en:Chapter 02
00:08:59.247 : en:Chapter 03
00:14:42.423 : en:Chapter 04
00:21:44.511 : en:Chapter 05
00:25:20.810 : en:Chapter 06
00:33:31.551 : en:Chapter 07
00:38:17.837 : en:Chapter 08
00:42:48.607 : en:Chapter 09
00:51:21.286 : en:Chapter 10
00:57:59.809 : en:Chapter 11
01:05:09.071 : en:Chapter 12
01:07:14.905 : en:Chapter 13
01:12:01.275 : en:Chapter 14
01:17:48.372 : en:Chapter 15
01:25:31.876 : en:Chapter 16
01:31:12.175 : en:Chapter 17

[MrVideo]

Looks like the boss, jdobbs, is going to have to chime in on this one. I was thinking it was an audio issue, but that shouldn't be it. I've suggested that more info regarding errors be placed in the log, to help with problems like this.

[gonca]

Thor263
Try running your MKV thru MKVToolNIX and then try to import the result

[AmigaFuture]

I have it, but have no reason to do anything with the content.

One does not IVTC and de-interlace at the same time. It is one or the other. If you de-interlace, you can't IVTC and if you IVTC, there is nothing to de-interlace.

I got it without the repeat. I thought that to be so. :-)

UPDATE: I took the first chapter of the pilot and ran it through my script to IVTC it and recode to H.264 (720x480p23.976 16:9). I used 4Mbps, 2-pass. The result looked really good, considering the 6Mbps MPEG-2 source.

I did have an issue in that the encoder doesn't seem to like 480i video (MPEG-2 or H.264), as it results in a green bar at the bottom of the image. But, as a test, I resized the video to 1020x1080 before recoding and the same green bar is there. The upscaled video looked damn good, again considering the source. So, it isn't the encoder, but the filter that does the IVTC work. Yep, it was the AVS filter set that I used. I changed to a different one and all was well.

Bottom line, I had no trouble doing IVTC to 23.976 and recoding to H.264.

I'm not using a special script, but rather the normal stuff from BD-RB. From ripped DVD it's being imported as 16:9 which it should be. But the PSEUDO file created after import plays choppy. I haven't looked into why yet.
Once processed by way of High Speed BD25 rerender, the resolution remains but the IVTC leaves some clues that it wasn't completely done. I can see remaining effects in the pipes above the door as the Camera moves around the people at the table. Then, later 1 hour and 21 minutes in through the next minute, I can see more effects on the wings of the ship. These are some sample of not being "smooth". I agree that it LOOKS pretty good, and I know I'm being a bit picky..haha! But there should be a way to make a totally clean video, correct?
When I use the option to upscale to 1280x720 it looks very good, but also still leaves some effects.


When I use VideoReDo (TVSuite) 5.3.80.....and join the VOBs from IFO and save (MPG) without editing, but adjust the Display to 720x480 and 16:9, the PSEUDO BD file's resolution is kept after import . When I process it as a BD25 with High Speed 2 pass, it's fitted into a 1920x1080 (640:297) 23.976fps display. With same IVTC results. Hmmm... Upscaling is not enabled.

[MrVideo]

Once processed by way of High Speed BD25 rerender, the resolution remains but the IVTC leaves some clues that it wasn't completely done. I can see remaining effects in the pipes above the door as the Camera moves around the people at the table.
Yes, I saw some of that as well. You aren't going to be able to fix that, as it looks like issues with the original encoding. This is one of those that use pulldown flags. But, it seems that the 23.976 video that is on the disc has issues. When I run it through VideoReDo, the pulldown flags are removed and we are left with 2:3 pulldown interlaced video. When that is IVTC'd, the issues are still there.

[MrVideo]

When I use VideoReDo (TVSuite) 5.3.80.....and join the VOBs from IFO and save (MPG) without editing, but adjust the Display to 720x480 and 16:9, the PSEUDO BD file's resolution is kept after import .
BTW, you don't join the VOBs with VRD. You select the title and then run the QuickStreamFix option and output to your wrapper of choice. If you go to MKV, you'll get all of the chapter marks, 720x480 and 16:9.

[AmigaFuture]

Yes, I saw some of that as well. You aren't going to be able to fix that, as it looks like issues with the original encoding. This is one of those that use pulldown flags. But, it seems that the 23.976 video that is on the disc has issues. When I run it through VideoReDo, the pulldown flags are removed and we are left with 2:3 pulldown interlaced video. When that is IVTC'd, the issues are still there.

I wasn't sure exactly what was doing on. I'm still having challenges understanding Interlaced and hard interlaced but this reply makes sense to me.

BTW, you don't join the VOBs with VRD. You select the title and then run the QuickStreamFix option and output to your wrapper of choice. If you go to MKV, you'll get all of the chapter marks, 720x480 and 16:9.

You are able to select just VOBs, but correct that if you drag the IFO file onto it then it'll present a list to pick from. You don't "have" to do a QuickSream Fix. I've been playing around with more ideas than I've typed attempting to get a greater result.

I'm a bit anal (watch it, Lathe!!!! Muhaha!) when it comes to video. I've come across some 480i's like from the BDs of "Back to the Future" where I have to just accept "interlacing is part of it..and it won't look any better if you continue to mess with it" so if I leave the Interlace alone and just let it rerender it looks close to what the original is.
I think it was you that I typed, something about just let the T.V. or the player handle it. That's been challenging for ME to accept but I'm doing...in some cases.

Agreed about MKV. I love chapters. I do appreciate that MKV allows a lot of stuff to be retained so that processors like BD-RB is able to process them well; most of the time. I will note that HandBrake, if you leave all filters off and change the framerate to Peak Framerate and Framerate(FPS) you can get an alllllmost totally clean video. Every once in a while some "interlaced" is left. Which is currently more clean than what BD-RB does. But, eh... I much prefer the quality of BD-RB.

Anyway, I agree about the Source not being the best. I know I'm nuts, miuh-muh-ha-ha-haha, but it's good to know someone else has noticed it all.

For the last bit of fun, I'll check the MKV output from VRD. Otherwise I'm done with this project. Glad to know it's not a BUG with all the hidden options I was checking.

[MrVideo]

I wasn't sure exactly what was doing on. I'm still having challenges understanding Interlaced and hard interlaced but this reply makes sense to me.[quote]
Interlaced and hard interlaced get misused a lot. Where I come from, i.e., years of dealing with video, there are only two forms: interlaced and progressive. If the video has two fields, it is interlaced, pure and simple. What screws up people is the content of those fields. When 24 fps (23.976) progressive is converted to 29.97 interlaced video, it is either 2:3 pulldown or repeat frame. Call it hard interlaced, or whatever, but interlaced is interlaced. What blurs things is man DVD videos will contain progressive video, but that can't be placed on the old interlaced TVs. So the video is flagged with pulldown flags so that when the DVD player outputs the video over the analog outputs, it is 2:3 pulldown interlaced. It is very possible that the newer Blu-ray players will keep the 23.976 frame rate when playing the video over the HDMI outputs. No need to interlace it, since the monitor must be able to play 23.976 480p video. It can be enough to make your hair turn grey. Oh wait... mine is. :D

[quote]You are able to select just VOBs, but correct that if you drag the IFO file onto it then it'll present a list to pick from. You don't "have" to do a QuickSream Fix.
Ah, this is where you are making more work for yourself. Under the main VRD menu there is the option to select a title from a DVD. That will show you all the titles on the DVD and the length of each one. In this case, the first 1.5 hr title is the pilot. You then do the default QSF on the title. I've run into trouble if you don't. When it is done, you open the result in VRD and there is the complete pilot with chapters. I believe that you'll even get chapters with TS output, if you have VRD configured to create chapter output files.

If you step through the video, you will notice that VRD is skipping frame numbers and that the output looks like it is progressive. That is because VRD is honoring the pulldown flags and displaying the video as though it were progressive (which it really is). But, if you recode it within VRD, you'll get 29.97fps interlaced video. If you step through that, you'll see the 2:3 pulldown pattern.

So, if you use the VRD main menu option to extract a title from a DVD, you should then be able to present that MKV file to BDRB. BDRB should then be able to handle the video correctly.

I do not know what your ultimate goal is.

[Lathe]

I do not know what your ultimate goal is.

To rule the world, obviously... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[jdobbs]

I've been playing around with BD Rebuilder and importing MKV files I've created myself with MakeMKV from my various discs. I've been trying some movie only MKVs, but am not having much success. Here's an example:

[12/26/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.25
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 60.33GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[12/26/17] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[19:16:59] Importing MKV: ELF
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[21:02:30]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
----------------------

There isn't much to go on in the log. Any ideas as to what I can check or try? Thanks!If it's not too large, maybe you can send me the MKV and I can see what's going on.

[jdobbs]

You folks with iVTC issues, there are a couple different ways to do iVTC... generally if you aren't satisfied with the result, try changing IVTC_METHOD (see HIDDENOPTS). Sometimes one method works better than the other.

[AmigaFuture]

To rule the world, obviously... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

Nuhhaaah--haaaahhaaaa.., but Microsoft, Apple and Samsung/Google do.

@ JD

I've been playing around more with IVTC_METHOD recently...to understand it better. Appreciate the tip though. I _was_ still under the impression than Deinterlace and iVTC could both be used at the same time. Silly me.

They probably Can, if the decoder does iVTC first and THEN deinterlace and then compressed..?? Again, I'm _still_ learning.

@ MrVideo

Okay, I think I understand..now that 3:2 pulldown is Interlaced in this episode. Once you get the interlaced out of the way, then use iVTC. Hmm..I'll check that. It means rerendering it twice, but I'll check the results.
I understand, better, perhaps now. I'll mess around some more. That description of "hard interlace" makes more sense to me than other stuff that's more complicated that I've read.

My objective (Lathe...hahaha) is to combine all the Stargate SG-1 DVDs into Seasonal BDs and have them be totally progressive or as close as possible. OR...just have them look GOOD so a family member is able to watch them from a list. Also including Subtitles from DVD's CC.

[MrVideo]

I _was_ still under the impression than Deinterlace and iVTC could both be used at the same time. Silly me.

They probably Can, if the decoder does iVTC first and THEN deinterlace and then compressed..??
No, they can't. As previously posted, with 2:3 video (480i or 1080i), you need to IVTC it so that the 2:3 pulldown is removed, converting the interlaced 29.97 video to progressive 23.976 video. The IVTC process ends up removing the interlacing by default.

If you de-interlace 2:3 pulldown interlaced video, you still end up with 29.97 video, but the 2:3 pulldown is destroyed in the process. Therefore there is nothing to IVTC.

IMHO, de-interlacing should only be used on video that is sourced from a video camera. Many people do not like the staircase/combing effect caused by rapid motion, as in sports. But, de-interlacing said video results in spatial time being lowered from 59.94 fields/sec to 29.97 frames/sec. But, that is a whole separate discussion.
Okay, I think I understand..now that 3:2 pulldown is Interlaced in this episode. Once you get the interlaced out of the way, then use iVTC.
Nope, see above about the IVTC process.

[Thor263]

Thor263
Try running your MKV thru MKVToolNIX and then try to import the result

Ooo...I forgot about trying that. MKVToolNIX did appear to make some changes as the file size was a bit smaller, but it still doesn't work with Rebuilder.

[Thor263]

If it's not too large, maybe you can send me the MKV and I can see what's going on.

Well...it's about 18GB. I think I've got a way to share it though...I'll let you know.

[jdobbs]

Well...it's about 18GB. I think I've got a way to share it though...I'll let you know.Yeah... that's probably too big.

[Lathe]

Yeah... that's probably too big.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...

[Ch3vr0n]

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk

[Lathe]

Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk

Okay, okay... don't rub it in... :o

So ONE day I hung around the institute for the Blind... Big deal...

[gonca]

Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk

Don't you mean he would be down a nickle

[Lathe]

Don't you mean he would be down a nickle

All right, all right...!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Suspicious Cat.gif

[gonca]

All right, all right...!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Suspicious Cat.gif

Let me guess
The cat is neutered
That's why he looks pi$$ed

[gonca]

Thor263
Try remuxing into a mkv with the video and audio only to test
Try to import this

[AmigaFuture]

No, they can't. As previously posted, with 2:3 video (480i or 1080i), you need to IVTC it so that the 2:3 pulldown is removed, converting the interlaced 29.97 video to progressive 23.976 video. The IVTC process ends up removing the interlacing by default.

Yeah, I got it... I was still thinking while typing.

If you de-interlace 2:3 pulldown interlaced video, you still end up with 29.97 video, but the 2:3 pulldown is destroyed in the process. Therefore there is nothing to IVTC.

Yup. Okay. I was figuring that as well in my last post. VRD changes flags, and doing that is better than destroying the pulldown data. Then I considered that JDobbs is already well aware of all of this stuff, so ~IF~ iVTC and then deinterlace could be done at the same time, or visa versa,, he'd already have BD-RB doing it. So.. Yeah, I get it. One or the other. That now is cemented. :-D

IMHO, de-interlacing should only be used on video that is sourced from a video camera. Many people do not like the staircase/combing effect caused by rapid motion, as in sports. But, de-interlacing said video results in spatial time being lowered from 59.94 fields/sec to 29.97 frames/sec. But, that is a whole separate discussion.

I've read and heard others type and say the same thing about sources that ~know~ what's happening.

IVTC_METHOD=0 causes the green lines with this video and not changing any other deinterlacing settings (default). I removed METHOD from my settings and replaced with IVTC_TELECIDE=0 and that did a great job! There are some "combed" frames but, and seem to be right at the scene change places..and 1 frame that goes by very qickly, so not a big deal. Looks really good at the start of the video and where the ship is and other spots, all smooth. Everything seems smooth except for those single frames. Best output so far...and I've noticed.

I'm still checking.

[AmigaFuture]

Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

NICE!! Haw, haw!!

[AmigaFuture]

Let me guess
The cat is neutered
That's why he looks pi$$ed

Where I'm from that's called breaking it. We don't soften it with "neutered", like problems are still problems not issues. :)

[AmigaFuture]

MrVideo & JD:

IVTC_480i=1 is doing a great so far but it still leaves some repeat frames. IVTC_TELECIDE=0 does a great job also, but leaves some "combed" frames. Frames with some lines in them. If IVTC_480i and IVTC_TELECIDE would work together, then it would be a great match probably. :-)

I use Media Player Classic: Home Cinema x64 for almost all playback desires, including .m2ts.. With Space (Pause) and CTRL+Right/Left Arrows you get great stepping through frames.

[Lathe]

Let me guess
The cat is neutered
That's why he looks pi$$ed

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[MrVideo]

IVTC_480i=1 is doing a great so far but it still leaves some repeat frames. IVTC_TELECIDE=0 does a great job also, but leaves some "combed" frames.
I do not know what AVISynth filters jdobbs uses, so I can't comment on the results.

[Thor263]

Thor263
Try remuxing into a mkv with the video and audio only to test
Try to import this

Thanks for the suggestion -- I remuxed with just the video and audio but unfortunately it errors out.

I then remembered that MakeMKV gives the option to not select the core audio with TrueHD when making the MKV and that's what I had done with Elf. Wondering if that was the problem, I reran MakeMKV on another movie (Wonder Woman) this time keeping the core DD audio with TrueHD audio. But importing that MKV into Rebuilder still errors out in the same way. Hmm...has me stumped.

Wonder Woman Mediainfo:
General
Unique ID : 94179604944481923328649044234372096176 (0x46DA55068ECAB6181051CC82FD43A0B0)
Complete name : /Volumes/500GB/Rip/Wonder Woman.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 25.4 GiB
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.8 Mb/s
Movie name : Wonder Woman
Encoded date : UTC 2017-12-29 01:18:03
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.10.8 darwin(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.10.8 (1.3.5/1.4.7) darwin(x64-release)
Original source medium : Blu-ray

Video
ID : 1
ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 30.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.421
Stream size : 20.7 GiB (81%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : Atmos / TrueHD
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 279 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 7 509 kb/s
Channel(s) : Object Based / 8 channels
Channel positions : Object Based / Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : / 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 4.22 GiB (17%)
Title : Surround 7.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 453 MiB (2%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 4
ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 31.4 kb/s
Count of elements : 3654
Stream size : 31.5 MiB (0%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 6
ID in the original source medium : 4609 (0x1201)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 22.7 kb/s
Count of elements : 2924
Stream size : 22.8 MiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 8
ID in the original source medium : 4610 (0x1202)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 25.9 kb/s
Count of elements : 3174
Stream size : 26.0 MiB (0%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #4
ID : 10
ID in the original source medium : 4611 (0x1203)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 27.1 kb/s
Count of elements : 3200
Stream size : 27.2 MiB (0%)
Language : Portuguese
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #5
ID : 12
ID in the original source medium : 4612 (0x1204)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 19 min
Bit rate : 448 b/s
Count of elements : 50
Stream size : 459 KiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #6
ID : 14
ID in the original source medium : 4613 (0x1205)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 19 min
Bit rate : 287 b/s
Count of elements : 36
Stream size : 295 KiB (0%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #7
ID : 16
ID in the original source medium : 4614 (0x1206)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 19 min
Bit rate : 367 b/s
Count of elements : 42
Stream size : 376 KiB (0%)
Language : Portuguese
Default : No
Forced : No

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[Lathe]

Thanks for the suggestion -- I remuxed with just the video and audio but unfortunately it errors out.

I then remembered that MakeMKV gives the option to not select the core audio with TrueHD when making the MKV and that's what I had done with Elf. Wondering if that was the problem, I reran MakeMKV on another movie (Wonder Woman) this time keeping the core DD audio with TrueHD audio. But importing that MKV into Rebuilder still errors out in the same way. Hmm...has me stumped.

Wonder Woman Mediainfo:
General
Unique ID : 94179604944481923328649044234372096176 (0x46DA55068ECAB6181051CC82FD43A0B0)
Complete name : /Volumes/500GB/Rip/Wonder Woman.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 25.4 GiB
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.8 Mb/s
Movie name : Wonder Woman
Encoded date : UTC 2017-12-29 01:18:03
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.10.8 darwin(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.10.8 (1.3.5/1.4.7) darwin(x64-release)
Original source medium : Blu-ray

Video
ID : 1
ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 30.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.421
Stream size : 20.7 GiB (81%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : Atmos / TrueHD
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 279 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 7 509 kb/s
Channel(s) : Object Based / 8 channels
Channel positions : Object Based / Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : / 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 4.22 GiB (17%)
Title : Surround 7.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 453 MiB (2%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 4
ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 31.4 kb/s
Count of elements : 3654
Stream size : 31.5 MiB (0%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 6
ID in the original source medium : 4609 (0x1201)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 22.7 kb/s
Count of elements : 2924
Stream size : 22.8 MiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 8
ID in the original source medium : 4610 (0x1202)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 25.9 kb/s
Count of elements : 3174
Stream size : 26.0 MiB (0%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #4
ID : 10
ID in the original source medium : 4611 (0x1203)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 27.1 kb/s
Count of elements : 3200
Stream size : 27.2 MiB (0%)
Language : Portuguese
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #5
ID : 12
ID in the original source medium : 4612 (0x1204)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 19 min
Bit rate : 448 b/s
Count of elements : 50
Stream size : 459 KiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #6
ID : 14
ID in the original source medium : 4613 (0x1205)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 19 min
Bit rate : 287 b/s
Count of elements : 36
Stream size : 295 KiB (0%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #7
ID : 16
ID in the original source medium : 4614 (0x1206)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 19 min
Bit rate : 367 b/s
Count of elements : 42
Stream size : 376 KiB (0%)
Language : Portuguese
Default : No
Forced : No

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I don't know if this is the issue, but remember that TrueHD streams that have been muxed into an MKV file LACK the core, thus TSMuxer's inability to handle it. ANY MKV that has a TrueHD audio stream needs the core put back in. Using Eac3to or with a nice GUI like I use UsEac3to, just drop the MKV file in, select the 'True' stream. For output, select the TrueHD+AC3 output and 'Run CMD Line' and it will put the AC3 core back in. Then take THAT rendered audio file and mux it with the video and remove the 'empty' original TrueHD stream, and you should be fine then importing it into BDRB.

[AmigaFuture]

"Then take THAT rendered audio file..." -- That doesn't come across as rerendered. That comes across as rejoined. Rerendering is a reconstruction. ;-)

[Lathe]

"Then take THAT rendered audio file..." -- That doesn't come across as rerendered. That comes across as rejoined. Rerendering is a reconstruction. ;-)

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif

[Thor263]

I don't know if this is the issue, but remember that TrueHD streams that have been muxed into an MKV file LACK the core, thus TSMuxer's inability to handle it. ANY MKV that has a TrueHD audio stream needs the core put back in. Using Eac3to or with a nice GUI like I use UsEac3to, just drop the MKV file in, select the 'True' stream. For output, select the TrueHD+AC3 output and 'Run CMD Line' and it will put the AC3 core back in. Then take THAT rendered audio file and mux it with the video and remove the 'empty' original TrueHD stream, and you should be fine then importing it into BDRB.

Thanks! One question -- what are you using to remux the new TrueHD+AC3 stream back in? Looks like MKVToolnix breaks it apart again.

[Lathe]

Thanks! One question -- what are you using to remux the new TrueHD+AC3 stream back in? Looks like MKVToolnix breaks it apart again.

Oh, sorry, I made a brief reference to it, but I didn't state it clearly. You use TSMuxer to remux the new TrueHD+AC3 stream back with the video stream. You would choose the output of TSMuxer to be BDMV folder, which will result in the standard BDMV / CERT folders, which you can import into BDRB normally.

[Blurayhd]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?

[Lathe]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?

If you are looking for a real 'Tool', why don't you check with gonca...?

[AmigaFuture]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?

Other than your eyes (maybe a magnifier?) and the kind of light being used as well as cleaning solution if needed... BD ripper and BD-RB for rerendering will inform you if you have a bad rip; which doesn't mean the BD is defective--just not read correctly. Possible Lens in Optical Drive needs to be cleaned. If either or both fail then possible. Do you have challenges or problems seeing scratches or scuffs on BDs? I hardly ever use sarcasm, and none is used here. :D

[Blurayhd]

If you are looking for a real 'Tool', why don't you check with gonca...?

@amigafuture (thank you) and dear lathe what is gonca? I can´t find...

[gonca]

You can use eac3to to check the mpls files on the disk. It will report any issues
P.S.
Just ignore Lathe, he is just our special mascot :devil:

[AmigaFuture]

Possible BD-RB Bug? Using Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1 after ripped, and not using any processing tools like VideoReDo, importing DVD and selecting the first selection (Pilot).

[12:53:56] Importing DVD: STARGATE_SG-1_-_SEASON_1_DVD_1
- Processing DVD title [1 of 3 ]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [2 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Processing DVD title [3 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
[12:55:56] DVD import completed successfully.

Going into the Stream directory and playing M2TS it plays a little jerky. It's at 29.97ftps and there wasn't any rerendering done so..I'm confused as to why. I burn it to BD-RE..it plays the same way.

When I click Backup it's making a change. From imported:
"Video: MPEG2 Video 720x480 (16:9) 29.97fps [V: mpeg2 main, yuv420p, 720x480]"...

to rerendered:

"Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 (20:11) 23.976fps [V: h264 main L4.1, yuv420p, 720x480]".

Hmm..the only thing I'm seeing that would cause the imported to be "jerky" and the rerendered not be is (16:9) and (20:11)..as well as the frame rates and other stuff removed. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of guessing. But since the DVD plays without actual noticing of any "jerky" stuff...that's why I'm wondering about a bug.

[Blurayhd]

You can use eac3to to check the mpls files on the disk. It will report any issues
P.S.
Just ignore Lathe, he is just our special mascot :devil:

Thank you my dear but and please excuse me but I just don´t know how to do that with eac3to?

I mean, could you maybe how to check the Bluray disc with eac3to?

I´m really appreciat it if you can help me

[gonca]

Browse to the root of the mounted ISO or extracted movie folder, and run:
eac3to
in a CMD prompt

Then run
eac3to #) [where # is the playlist number from step 1]
this will give details about the file

Now run
eac3to.exe" "G:" 1) 1: "W:\TEMP\Chapters_1.txt" 2: "W:\TEMP\Video_2.*" 3: "W:\TEMP\Audio_3_English.thd" 15: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_15_English.sup" 31: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_31_English.sup" 33: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_33_English.sup" -progressnumbers -LOG="W:\TEMP\LOGS\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"

Change numbers and extensions to suit, along with paths
LOG folder must exist before you start

OR
you can use one of the eac3to GUIs

[Blurayhd]

Browse to the root of the mounted ISO or extracted movie folder, and run:
eac3to
in a CMD prompt

Then run
eac3to #) [where # is the playlist number from step 1]
this will give details about the file

Now run
eac3to.exe" "G:" 1) 1: "W:\TEMP\Chapters_1.txt" 2: "W:\TEMP\Video_2.*" 3: "W:\TEMP\Audio_3_English.thd" 15: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_15_English.sup" 31: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_31_English.sup" 33: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_33_English.sup" -progressnumbers -LOG="W:\TEMP\LOGS\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"

Change numbers and extensions to suit, along with paths
LOG folder must exist before you start

OR
you can use one of the eac3to GUIs

Thank you Gonca, I use the gui for pass from DTS to AC3 and I don´t know another function on this program, if you just can tell me(with the gui) how to do this I´ll really appreciate it

[gonca]

If you are using HdBrStreamExtractor_0.9,
simply point to the blu ray, select an output folder
and click on extract.
There will be a log file created. If it doesn't show any errors then that mpls should be good

[MrVideo]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?
So simple. Just use ImgBurn to create an ISO copy of the disc to your HDD. If there are any issues, ImgBurn will complain about the sectors it is having reading. It will complain at the start about the disc being copy protected. Ignore that, since all you want to do it read all of the sectors on the disc. When done, just delete the ISO file.

[Lathe]

P.S.
Just ignore Lathe, he is just our special mascot :devil:

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

[MrVideo]

"Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 (20:11) 23.976fps [V: h264 main L4.1, yuv420p, 720x480]".

Hmm..the only thing I'm seeing that would cause the imported to be "jerky" and the rerendered not be is (16:9) and (20:11)..as well as the frame rates and other stuff removed. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of guessing. But since the DVD plays without actual noticing of any "jerky" stuff...that's why I'm wondering about a bug.
20:11 is the same as 16:9 for the non-square pixel 720x480 video. Actually, the math that I came up with for 16:9 720x480 video is 32:27. The formula is DAR/SAR = WIDTH/HEIGHT where DAR = Display Aspect Ratio and SAR = Sample Aspect Ratio. 20:11 is 1.8181... while 32:27 is 1.185185. Not sure how jdobbs came up with 20:11. SAR is determined by: SAR = DAR * (HEIGHT/WIDTH).

As for the first run being jerky, that surprises me, since you are playing the raw video from the DVD. What are you using for the playback device?

[AmigaFuture]

I used Media Player Classic: Home Cinema, as I typed before, as well as PowerDVD 12 and burned the Import from DVD to BD to a BD-RW and then my LG Blu-ray Player. All 3 showed the same jerky.

Since you also have the DVD, have you not noticed that?

[MrVideo]

I used Media Player Classic: Home Cinema, as I typed before, as well as PowerDVD 12 and burned the Import from DVD to BD to a BD-RW and then my LG Blu-ray Player. All 3 showed the same jerky.
Forgot what you typed before.
Since you also have the DVD, have you not noticed that?
I played what I recoded to 23.976 with VLC on the computer. The 29.97 that VRD recoded didn't have an issue, but I think I only played it within VRD. But, I did step thru a lot of it with VRD and there was the normal 2:3 pulldown video. No weird frames.

[MrVideo]

My objective is to combine all the Stargate SG-1 DVDs into Seasonal BDs and have them be totally progressive or as close as possible.
I seriously doubt that you will get a single season of SG-1 to fit on a single BD disc. You'd have to get each episode down to about 1GB. If you used 50GB media, then 2GB each. You are going to be cutting it close.

[gonca]

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

When I said special, I meant it in an Olympic way

[jdobbs]

Possible BD-RB Bug? Using Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1 after ripped, and not using any processing tools like VideoReDo, importing DVD and selecting the first selection (Pilot).

[12:53:56] Importing DVD: STARGATE_SG-1_-_SEASON_1_DVD_1
- Processing DVD title [1 of 3 ]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [2 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Processing DVD title [3 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
[12:55:56] DVD import completed successfully.

Going into the Stream directory and playing M2TS it plays a little jerky. It's at 29.97ftps and there wasn't any rerendering done so..I'm confused as to why. I burn it to BD-RE..it plays the same way.

When I click Backup it's making a change. From imported:
"Video: MPEG2 Video 720x480 (16:9) 29.97fps [V: mpeg2 main, yuv420p, 720x480]"...

to rerendered:

"Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 (20:11) 23.976fps [V: h264 main L4.1, yuv420p, 720x480]".

Hmm..the only thing I'm seeing that would cause the imported to be "jerky" and the rerendered not be is (16:9) and (20:11)..as well as the frame rates and other stuff removed. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of guessing. But since the DVD plays without actual noticing of any "jerky" stuff...that's why I'm wondering about a bug.Look for "IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=1" in your INI file.

[jdobbs]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?Read the disc to an image with IMGBURN. If there are any disc errors, they will be shown. You'll even be notified for any rereads (when the disc is marginal).

(Note: Just noticed that MrVideo had already made this suggestion)

[jdobbs]

20:11 is the same as 16:9 for the non-square pixel 720x480 video. Actually, the math that I came up with for 16:9 720x480 video is 32:27. The formula is DAR/SAR = WIDTH/HEIGHT where DAR = Display Aspect Ratio and SAR = Sample Aspect Ratio. 20:11 is 1.8181... while 32:27 is 1.185185. Not sure how jdobbs came up with 20:11. SAR is determined by: SAR = DAR * (HEIGHT/WIDTH).

As for the first run being jerky, that surprises me, since you are playing the raw video from the DVD. What are you using for the playback device?It's an import. The video aspect remains unchanged from the original encode. So jdobbs didn't come up with anything.

[AmigaFuture]

Forgot what you typed before.

It's okay, I was reminding you as you reminded me. Not any worries.

I played what I recoded to 23.976 with VLC on the computer. The 29.97 that VRD recoded didn't have an issue, but I think I only played it within VRD. But, I did step thru a lot of it with VRD and there was the normal 2:3 pulldown video. No weird frames.

I didn't use VRD in the last attempt I replied with; BD-RB was used (DVD imported direct). If I use VRD and then import .TS or .PRG then BD-RB rencodes with a the side "smooshed" in during an import reencode. It's resized to 720...I think it was. I didn't document what I was doing this time. Actually the "smooshed in" means it converted to 4:3 rather than keeping 16:9 (None of the resize options in Setup are enabled). But for now I wanted to continue the Season 1 import and check the rest of the episodes. Then I was going to come back to the problems with Episode 1.

[AmigaFuture]

Look for "IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=1" in your INI file.

OOOOOhh, a new toy! HA! It's not in my INI, nor the Hidden Options. However, am checking with it now.

[Blurayhd]

Read the disc to an image with IMGBURN. If there are any disc errors, they will be shown. You'll even be notified for any rereads (when the disc is marginal).

(Note: Just noticed that MrVideo had already made this suggestion)

Thank you and thank you to @Mrvideo and just for get it clear, you mean I have to generate one ISO from the disc?

And second this is the same that way if I use for example dvdisaster or VSO inspector?

[Lathe]

When I said special, I meant it in an Olympic way

Heh... horrible, just horrible... http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/unhunh.gif

[MrVideo]

It's an import. The video aspect remains unchanged from the original encode. So jdobbs didn't come up with anything.
I thought of that later. Strange number.

[MrVideo]

Thank you and thank you to @Mrvideo and just for get it clear, you mean I have to generate one ISO from the disc?
Yes, you would run ImgBurn on each disc. That will produce an ISO file, which you would delete after the copy was completed. If there are errors, you won't end up with an ISO file. IIRC, you'll get the option to delete the partial ISO when you cancel the job.
And second this is the same that way if I use for example dvdisaster or VSO inspector?
No idea, as I do not use either of those.

[MrVideo]

I didn't use VRD in the last attempt I replied with; BD-RB was used (DVD imported direct). If I use VRD and then import .TS or .PRG then BD-RB rencodes with a the side "smooshed" in during an import reencode. It's resized to 720...I think it was. I didn't document what I was doing this time. Actually the "smooshed in" means it converted to 4:3 rather than keeping 16:9 (None of the resize options in Setup are enabled). But for now I wanted to continue the Season 1 import and check the rest of the episodes. Then I was going to come back to the problems with Episode 1.
You are just having so much fun with this project. :D How many bottles of rum have you gone through at this point (and I don't mean mixed with any cola)?

[Lathe]

You are just having so much fun with this project. :D How many bottles of rum have you gone through at this point (and I don't mean mixed with any cola)?

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/this.gif

This makes my UK Avengers series CRF disc encodes look like a breeze...

[AmigaFuture]

MrVideo:

I haven't drank Rum in many years. I'm not really a fan of harder liqueur and that kind of out-of-control (and I've been there). But my preference WAS Captain Morgan Spiced Rum (OOhh, Baby!!). I also drank that without Cola, I stopped drinking soda about 15 years ago. I don't drink Caffeine, I don't enjoy the "jacked" feeling from it. HOWEVER, Ale's are cool... Hehe! Details are fun. At the cost, sometimes of Obsessiveness, haha! Then the girlfriends loves to cause distractions, perhaps that's also why? Wink!

Video & audio have always been a passion for me, even back to the days of Amiga..when it was the pioneer machine and OS for what we have now. Plus it's a lot of fun attempting to help JDobbs improve stuff when possible, if possible this fantastic front end-program. I have a lot of fun with many things... Including watching Little Lathe do his dancing.

Lathe,

Maybe I'm clueless here...but, that graphic belongs to some alcohol drink? Or am I missing something? Or are you showing which finger goes...ummm, errrrr..I'd rather not type the rest..... and then you view the encodes differently!?!

[Lathe]

MrVideo:

Lathe,

Maybe I'm clueless here...but, that graphic belongs to some alcohol drink? Or am I missing something? Or are you showing which finger goes...ummm, errrrr..I'd rather not type the rest..... and then you view the encodes differently!?!

Nooooo... Heh... you are just TOO analytical my friend. Just a dramatic way to show agreement with the statement above... :)

[MrVideo]

But my preference WAS Captain Morgan Spiced Rum
I have a bowling teammate friend who loves his Captain Morgan. I'm a Bacardi fan (with cola). In my service days, I drank a lot on the weekends. :D

Back on topic... how did the unknown hidden setting work out?

Maybe all of this is the fault of the 1/1/18 Super/Wolf Full moon that will occur @ 9.24pm ET.

[Lathe]

I have a bowling teammate friend who loves his Captain Morgan. I'm a Bacardi fan (with cola). In my service days, I drank a lot on the weekends. :D

Back on topic... how did the unknown hidden setting work out?

Maybe all of this is the fault of the 1/1/18 Super/Wolf Full moon that will occur @ 9.24pm ET.

Heh... I was going to correct you guys, but I hadn't realized that Captain Morgan made this...

YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY !!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/woot.gif

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rum.jpg

[MrVideo]

Heh... I was going to correct you guys,
Correct us regarding what? There was no incorrect information.

[Lathe]

Correct us regarding what? There was no incorrect information.

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

[AmigaFuture]

Nooooo... Heh... you are just TOO analytical my friend. Just a dramatic way to show agreement with the statement above... :)

Haha...haha. Seems so though here, but in person is where all my humor shines best. Pure text is not the best way to deliver non-analytical stuff. Unless your name is Dan Brown, Steven King, etc, etc. Sooo...PPptttthhh!! Now THAT's analytical to the extreme. Muhaha!

MrVideo: No, it's the doom's day zealots that are getting ready to prophecy yet again that the world will end...soon, as they've done for over 200+ years >>again<< that I laugh at. I'm good with all the howling of the people who think they're changing into something because of the moon. I'll stay INSIDE for that. Ha!

I haven't noticed much of a difference with IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=1/0 yet. But today hasn't been a lot of testing...

[AmigaFuture]

Correct us regarding what? There was no incorrect information.

I will admit...I echo this question. Ohh, I bet it was the name of the drink he's meaning...

[Lathe]

I will admit...I echo this question. Ohh, I bet it was the name of the drink he's meaning...

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss... :rolleyes:

And, THAT, ladies & gentlemen, is a perfect example of the difference in the way people think. The 'linear & methodical' guy missed my meaning. But, the more 'out of the box' person understood... :)

Actually, even though it's just nonsense, my meaning was sort of lateral. In other words, I was going to 'correct' both of you in saying, 'No, Parrot Bay rum is the best', but then (when I saw the picture) I realized that Captain Morgan was the one who made Parrot Bay...

And now, I believe it is time to cue the fruit!

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/pineapple.gifhttp://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/bounce.gifhttp://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/pineapple.gif

[AmigaFuture]

So far IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=1 allows DVD import of Pilot and another episode I noticed having repeat frames left in. The imported DVD episodes are still "jittery" and the rerendered are fine except for repeat frames in some spots. IVTC is active in Setup and Deinterlace is not.

IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=0 Same...

[AmigaFuture]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss... :rolleyes:

And, THAT, ladies & gentlemen, is a perfect example of the difference in the way people think. The 'linear & methodical' guy missed my meaning. But, the more 'out of the box' person understood... :)

Linear is good for video editing, sound editing, but not for thinking and emotions, Lathe. Which is okay..because No one has ALL the answers (not even people who Celebrate "Christmas"). Outside the box is yet another Mental Trap, like the elder "Glass 1/2 full or empty?" thinking. But I do appreciate the added "adjustment" from analytical seemingly Only statement, muhaha!

Actually, even though it's just nonsense, my meaning was sort of lateral. In other words, I was going to 'correct' both of you in saying, 'No, Parrot Bay rum is the best', but then (when I saw the picture) I realized that Captain Morgan was the one who made Parrot Bay...

*Hic* Thhaanks ffoorr...yeahhh...buddddy, y-y-y-you know...that...that....that, ya, that xplen----ation.
(I've never been that person, but I sure have experienced them in my life..haha!)

And now, I believe it is time to cue the fruit!

I enjoyed the other SOOOO much more! That Moonwalk was sweet!

[Lathe]

linear is good for video editing, sound editing, but not for thinking and emotions, lathe. Which is okay..because no one has all the answers (not even people who celebrate "christmas"). Outside the box is yet another mental trap, like the elder "glass 1/2 full or empty?" thinking. But i do appreciate the added "adjustment" from analytical seemingly only statement, muhaha!



*hic* thhaanks ffoorr...yeahhh...buddddy, y-y-y-you know...that...that....that, ya, that xplen----ation.
(i've never been that person, but i sure have experienced them in my life..haha!)



i enjoyed the other soooo much more! That moonwalk was sweet!

. :)

[MrVideo]

In other words, I was going to 'correct' both of you in saying, 'No, Parrot Bay rum is the best', but then (when I saw the picture) I realized that Captain Morgan was the one who made Parrot Bay...
Never heard of Parrot Bay rum, until now. :cool:

[MrVideo]

So far IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=1 allows DVD import of Pilot and another episode I noticed having repeat frames left in.
I do not think that you are going to be able to perfectly clean this up, because I really believe that the original MPEG-2 files are not the best encoding possible.

[Lathe]

Never heard of Parrot Bay rum, until now. :cool:

Dude, it is AWESOME! Coconut Rum! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/thumbsup.gif

[MrVideo]

Dude, it is AWESOME! Coconut Rum! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/thumbsup.gif
I do not like coconuts. :devil:

[Lathe]

I do not like coconuts. :devil:

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

It doesn't really taste like coconuts, it just gives it a nice, sweet, buttery taste and texture, almost like a dessert...

[AmigaFuture]

Lathe: The dessert is gritty and sandy. ;-) I love Coconuts but I'm not really into buttery flavors. MAYBE I'll get a bottle since it has been so long and have some...check it.

MrVideo: After looking at the Source a bit more...I think it can be cleaned better but seems to me it would require a bit of by-hand-processing. Which is why it's seen as Hybrid... I'm curious what AutoGK would do with it? It's been a long time since I've used that. As I played the Source I could really see the repeat frames. Seems girlfriend has wondered about that for a while also but just accepted it as "annoying".

BD-RB has done very well with it. Maybe I'll run see about running it through VRD and remove the repeat frames myself? Shouldn't really cause any noticeable out of sync with CC/SRT... For now, I think I'm done unless a new way shows itself.

[MrVideo]

After looking at the Source a bit more...I think it can be cleaned better but seems to me it would require a bit of by-hand-processing.
I do not think you can. The AVISynth filters I used are the best at finding the 2:3 pulldown stuff and removing it. It seems that these videos are not as good as they should be.

What would really be great is if they re-released all of the SG-1 seasons on Blu-ray. But, I'm not holding my breath.

[AmigaFuture]

Something is funky..other than the version # which was discussed a while ago. To the 20-somethings...# = number sign, not Hashtag. The original meaning.

Continuing on...

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.24
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
MULTIPROCESS=3
ENABLE_TEST=1
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=P:\OUTPUT\
SOURCE_PATH=P:\OUTPUT\IMPORTS\STARGATE_SG-1_DVD_SEASONS_1_MKVS_FROM_BD-RB\


Now, import the MKV files that are 720x480 and have SRT's.

Select the MKV's to be imported... A menu shows, "Save and Continue".

Then converting SRT to SUP or anything else does not show...even in the GUI where steps are displays away from progress.

[21:31:45] Importing: STARGATE_SG-1_DVD_SEASONS_1_MKVS_FROM_BD-RB
- [21:32:59] Importing video file: (1 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:34:39] Importing video file: (2 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:35:32] Importing video file: (3 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:36:25] Importing video file: (4 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:37:09] Importing video file: (5 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:37:52] Importing video file: (6 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:38:36] Importing video file: (7 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:39:21] Importing video file: (8 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:40:04] Importing video file: (9 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:40:48] Importing video file: (10 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:41:32] Importing video file: (11 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:42:13] Importing video file: (12 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:42:56] Importing video file: (13 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:43:40] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[21:43:46] Video import completed successfully.


The resulting BD should play fine, and SRT's should be converted to SUP ready for display. Not the case. The burned BD-25 didn't display any of the subtitles, even when attempted through remote. Nor though PowerDVD 12. However, navigate to imported Stream (.M2TS)... PGS is possible to enable and displays (Using previously mentioned player).

Maybe I missed something...rechecking...

[Lathe]

Something is funky..other than the version # which was discussed a while ago. To the 20-somethings...# = number sign, not Hashtag. The original meaning.

Continuing on...

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.24
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
MULTIPROCESS=3
ENABLE_TEST=1
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=P:\OUTPUT\
SOURCE_PATH=P:\OUTPUT\IMPORTS\STARGATE_SG-1_DVD_SEASONS_1_MKVS_FROM_BD-RB\


Now, import the MKV files that are 720x480 and have SRT's.

Select the MKV's to be imported... A menu shows, "Save and Continue".

Then converting SRT to SUP or anything else does not show...even in the GUI where steps are displays away from progress.

[21:31:45] Importing: STARGATE_SG-1_DVD_SEASONS_1_MKVS_FROM_BD-RB
- [21:32:59] Importing video file: (1 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:34:39] Importing video file: (2 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:35:32] Importing video file: (3 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:36:25] Importing video file: (4 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:37:09] Importing video file: (5 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:37:52] Importing video file: (6 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:38:36] Importing video file: (7 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:39:21] Importing video file: (8 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:40:04] Importing video file: (9 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:40:48] Importing video file: (10 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:41:32] Importing video file: (11 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:42:13] Importing video file: (12 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:42:56] Importing video file: (13 of 13)
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [21:43:40] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[21:43:46] Video import completed successfully.


The resulting BD should play fine, and SRT's should be converted to SUP ready for display. Not the case. The burned BD-25 didn't display any of the subtitles, even when attempted through remote. Nor though PowerDVD 12. However, navigate to imported Stream (.M2TS)... PGS is possible to enable and displays (Using previously mentioned player).

Maybe I missed something...rechecking...

I believe that you can leave the SRT's alone. BD's will play them as far as I know if they are muxed into the BDMV folder...

[AmigaFuture]

Huh? Leave them alone?? BD-RB converts the SRT's to SUP. The SUP is Multiplexed into the M2TS... The Subtitle is disabled, but I'm able to enable it with BD Player and PowerDVD 12 but...they aren't showing. That's why I'm confused. But..they are enable-able with by other Software player when I double click on the M2TS file. So I renamed the BD-RB INI file, and went with Stock thiinking okay I'll start free and let the defaults do their thing. I'll look at it more soon.

[jdobbs]

I believe that you can leave the SRT's alone. BD's will play them as far as I know if they are muxed into the BDMV folder...You normally convert them to PGS. That happens automatically when they are muxed with TSMUXER. While in theory the standard supports text subtitles, it isn't SRT and it has to be stored out-of-mux -- and frankly I've never actually seen one on a commercial disc. It also says they use "vector-based fonts". That pretty much expresses the extent of my experience with them.

[Lathe]

You normally convert them to PGS. That happens automatically when they are muxed with TSMUXER. While in theory the standard supports text subtitles, it isn't SRT and it has to be stored out-of-mux -- and frankly I've never actually seen one on a commercial disc. It also says they use vector-based fonts. That pretty much expresses the extent of my experience with them.

Oh yeah, that's what I meant... PGS... It always LOOKS like those are interchangeable. What I meant primarily is that I THINK that you don't have to convert them to SUP pictures, which takes time, etc. The natural conversion then to PGS should play just fine.

THAT is what I meant :)

[AmigaFuture]

Opps, yeah, I meant PGS also. Doh!

I went back to the previous version 0.53.23 and after the MKVs are imported the Subtitles are displaying after being activated with PowerDVD and logically this should work with my BD Player, so, for follow through...I'll burn the BD and check that.

[AmigaFuture]

Hmmm... I think the reasons for the "off-ness" is here..

0.23... They display correctly. I'm thinking it's the differences in -video-width-. The program player (MPC-HC) compensates for it but PowerDVD and LG BG Player don't. Even though the Subtitles show in the list as they should. So, they're displaying off screen...in 0.24...correct?

MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:05:37.754;00:09:15.437;00:11:37.645;00:16:23.532;00:22:23.625;00:26:32.106;00:28:24.451;00:34:34.989;00:38:20.780;00:41:24.364;00:44:50.336;00:48:35.661;00:50:58.304;00:54:22.842;00:59:55.675;01:04:31.284;01:07:47.612;01:10:05.583;01:13:37.296;01:20:13.358;01:26:45.449;01:32:55.019;01:35:43.453;01:36:57.228 --vbv-len=500 --start-time=27000000
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC,"P:\OUTPUT\TEMPIMPORT\Stargate SG-1 - Season 1 DVD 1 EP1 - Pilot.track_1.264", fps=23.976, insertSEI, contSPS
A_AC3,"P:\OUTPUT\TEMPIMPORT\Stargate SG-1 - Season 1 DVD 1 EP1 - Pilot.track_2.AC3", timeshift= 14ms, lang=eng
S_TEXT/UTF8,"P:\OUTPUT\TEMPIMPORT\Stargate SG-1 - Season 1 DVD 1 EP1 - Pilot.track_3.SRT", font-name=Arial, font-size=24, font-color=0x00ffffff, bottom-offset=24, font-border=2, text-align=center, fps=23.976, video-width=720, video-height=480, lang=eng


0.24 (25)...

MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:05:37.754;00:09:15.437;00:11:37.645;00:16:23.532;00:22:23.625;00:26:32.106;00:28:24.451;00:34:34.989;00:38:20.780;00:41:24.364;00:44:50.336;00:48:35.661;00:50:58.304;00:54:22.842;00:59:55.675;01:04:31.284;01:07:47.612;01:10:05.583;01:13:37.296;01:20:13.358;01:26:45.449;01:32:55.019;01:35:43.453;01:36:57.228 --vbv-len=500 --start-time=27000000
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC,"P:\OUTPUT\TEMPIMPORT\Stargate SG-1 - Season 1 DVD 1 EP1 - Pilot.track_1.264", fps=23.976, insertSEI, contSPS
A_AC3,"P:\OUTPUT\TEMPIMPORT\Stargate SG-1 - Season 1 DVD 1 EP1 - Pilot.track_2.AC3", timeshift= 14ms, lang=eng
S_TEXT/UTF8,"P:\OUTPUT\TEMPIMPORT\Stargate SG-1 - Season 1 DVD 1 EP1 - Pilot.track_3.SRT", font-name=Arial, font-size=43, font-color=0x00ffffff, bottom-offset=24, font-border=2, text-align=center, fps=23.976, video-width=1280, video-height=720, lang=eng

[Blurayhd]

Hi guys I have an MKV movie that contains audio languages and subtitles and I like to pass it to a Bluray disc, I tryied to import this mkv but BD rebuilder does but just dont recognize the subtitles tracks, I tryied too with TS muxer but when add the mkv file just the same, I get an error with subtitles tracks that are (each one) idx and sub this mkv is an original remux from bluray

All I need to do is put this subtitles

Help please?

Thank you in advance!!

Sorry for the double post!!

[Blurayhd]

Hi guys I have an MKV movie that contains audio languages and subtitles and I like to pass it to a Bluray disc, I tryied to import this mkv but BD rebuilder does but just dont recognize the subtitles tracks, I tryied too with TS muxer but when add the mkv file just the same, I get an error with subtitles tracks that are (each one) idx and sub, this mkv is an original remux from bluray

All I need to do is put this subtitles

Help please?

Thank you in advance!!

[sneaker_ger]

idx/sub is the format coming from DVD. Probably converted via BDSup2sub because some players play the DVD subtitles but not the BD ones. BDSup2sub can also convert back from DVD to BD format.

[Blurayhd]

idx/sub is the format coming from DVD. Probably converted via BDSup2sub because some players play the DVD subtitles but not the BD ones. BDSup2sub can also convert back from DVD to BD format.

Thank you so you say I can convert those files again in bluray format so I´ll add this subtitles without problems?

Dear Sneaker I´m trying to convert but I just dont know how to do it, if you dont mind could you tell me about? (thank you very much)

[AmigaFuture]

Hi guys I have an MKV movie that contains audio languages and subtitles and I like to pass it to a Bluray disc, I tryied to import this mkv but BD rebuilder does but just dont recognize the subtitles tracks, I tryied too with TS muxer but when add the mkv file just the same, I get an error with subtitles tracks that are (each one) idx and sub this mkv is an original remux from bluray!

This is what I was doing, tried to get the SRT files to be used as PGS (Subtitles) but it seems something's off with newest BD-RB. That's why I posted the info before your post. It's related. To help you it's "tried". :-) I'm sure JDobbs will chime in soon. BD-RB is recognizing them, it looks like an introduced bug from a version lower.

[Lathe]

Hi guys I have an MKV movie that contains audio languages and subtitles and I like to pass it to a Bluray disc, I tryied to import this mkv but BD rebuilder does but just dont recognize the subtitles tracks, I tryied too with TS muxer but when add the mkv file just the same, I get an error with subtitles tracks that are (each one) idx and sub, this mkv is an original remux from bluray

All I need to do is put this subtitles

Help please?

Thank you in advance!!

Yes, as SG said, you will have to convert them to SRT at least (which I GUESS will then be converted to PGS as I learned :)) You can use really easy, free programs like Subtitle Workshop or Subtitle Edit.

[gonca]

Yes, as SG said, you will have to convert them to SRT at least (which I GUESS will then be converted to PGS as I learned :)) You can use really easy, free programs like Subtitle Workshop or Subtitle Edit.

Or since the file is a MKV
extract the subtitle
Use BDsup2sub to convert to a BD PGS
remux back into the MKV

Lay of the coconut rum Lathe

[AmigaFuture]

gonca, you forgot the *hic* part after the "of". ;-)

[Lathe]

Or since the file is a MKV
extract the subtitle
Use BDsup2sub to convert to a BD PGS
remux back into the MKV

Lay of the coconut rum Lathe

Yeah... or, you can extract the subtitle and use far EASIER programs to convert it to SRT / PGS too wee wee boy...! :cool:

[Blurayhd]

To help you it's "tried". :-

Thank you very much AmigaFuture, my English is not my first language and not perfect and I really want to thank you because you´re help me

So, no more "tryied" now is "tried"

[Blurayhd]

idx/sub is the format coming from DVD. Probably converted via BDSup2sub because some players play the DVD subtitles but not the BD ones. BDSup2sub can also convert back from DVD to BD format.


Thank you Sneaker, I tried this tool and add and just perfect the only think is I donpt know why the subtitle size appears more big than normal on screen

[AmigaFuture]

Thank you very much AmigaFuture, my English is not my first language and not perfect and I really want to thank you because you´re help me

So, no more "tryied" now is "tried"

I realized all of that. :D Happy to help.

[Blurayhd]

I think I find a tool that we can make a "image backup" of all our Bluray disc and in case of any damage on the disc, we can restore all (?) In a fact the tool is DVDisaster and I find the following;

How to use Dvdisaster?
First place the disk in the unit, and when you open the program click on READ.

This part of the process can take a long time, everything will depend on the size of the disc and of the degree of deterioration that it has, so it is advisable to have patience.

At the end of this process, we go to the CREATE option.

This option will be responsible for making the ISO image of the disk data, with SCAN only reading the disk but not creating the ISO.

Through the graphics we will follow the development of the whole process and to end up in FIX, which will try to recover the damaged sectors, so we will arrive at VERIFY, with which we will obtain the final result of the whole process and everything that Dvdisaster could save.


Is this that I telling you about? or I´m wrong? Or there´s some another tool for this?

ps: I think this is the best idea because eventually we lost the Blura y disc or get the surface damague etc

So, what do you think?

I wish you the best guys

[kufo]

Hello! Wanted to ask, what about the UHD support in BD rebuilder? Since there are now some decrypted UHD movies, the topic is interesting. Although there is the possibility to edit his files, but the shrinking of the complete movie with selected languages /audio is not yet possible. Is there something new in this topic?

[KaraokeAmerica]

Hello! Wanted to ask, what about the UHD support in BD rebuilder? Since there are now some decrypted UHD movies, the topic is interesting. Although there is the possibility to edit his files, but the shrinking of the complete movie with selected languages /audio is not yet possible. Is there something new in this topic?

Frankly, I haven't used BDRB much yet, but this comment is interesting.

What would be the advantage to "shrinking" a UHD? Isn't the point of a UHD to have the maximum possible resolution?

By shrinking it do you mean retaining that 4K resolution, but re-encoding to a smaller file size somehow?

<<< newbie.....

[jdobbs]

Hello! Wanted to ask, what about the UHD support in BD rebuilder? Since there are now some decrypted UHD movies, the topic is interesting. Although there is the possibility to edit his files, but the shrinking of the complete movie with selected languages /audio is not yet possible. Is there something new in this topic? A test version will be available probably some time this month. I've started on it, but haven't gotten it to a point where it is ready for testing.

[jdobbs]

Frankly, I haven't used BDRB much yet, but this comment is interesting.

What would be the advantage to "shrinking" a UHD? Isn't the point of a UHD to have the maximum possible resolution?

By shrinking it do you mean retaining that 4K resolution, but re-encoding to a smaller file size somehow?

<<< newbie.....Yes. The main reason is to make it fit on a BD-50 or BD-25. Original discs use a lot more bitrate than is needed for 4K... just like they did with BD. The idea is to use readily available inexpensive media for a backup.

[Blurayhd]

I think I find a tool that we can make a "image backup" of all our Bluray disc and in case of any damage on the disc, we can restore all (?) In a fact the tool is DVDisaster and I find the following;



Is this that I telling you about? or I´m wrong? Or there´s some another tool for this?

ps: I think this is the best idea because eventually we lost the Blura y disc or get the surface damague etc

So, what do you think?

I wish you the best guys

Hi Jdobbs, you told me IMGburn does the same hink that I describe on DVDisaster? I mean, a small backup image copy of the entire Bluray so if any part is illegible or broken you can restore that part. Just like winrar with rar01 and rev files?

If you dont mind could you tell me how to do that? Obviously maybe I´m wrong

[Blurayhd]

Yes. The main reason is to make it fit on a BD-50 or BD-25. Original discs use a lot more bitrate than is needed for 4K... just like they did with BD. The idea is to use readily available inexpensive media for a backup.

if I get it you are talking about to fit a 4k movie on a BD25?

Theres some movies with some languages that are I wish to keep so if I get it, you´ll start soon with a new build BD rebuilder that can recognize that languages so we can choose to keep?

really? I use Bd rebuilder with close eyes but, if you say, dear Jdobbs, that 4k resolution can be untouch on a BD25 I´m on it

[jdobbs]

I really don't know anything about DVDisaster so I can't say what it can and can't do. I just said IMGBURN has the ability to do image backups. If you want to discuss DVDisaster more, I would suggest you open a thread in another topic area -- as it isn't related to BD Rebuilder in any way. if you say, dear Jdobbs, that 4k resolution can be untouch on a BD25 I´m on itNot likely. The maximum bitrate was increased on BD-66 and BD-100 discs beyond what can be used for a BD-25/50. So reencoding is almost always required. I've found a few extras that can be kept intact but that's about it.

[MrVideo]

Hi Jdobbs, you told me IMGburn does the same hink that I describe on DVDisaster? I mean, a small backup image copy of the entire Bluray so if any part is illegible or broken you can restore that part. Just like winrar with rar01 and rev files?
No, it can't. No program can "fix" a CD/DVD/Blu-ray disc. There is no repair data. There is simple CRCC, but, if there are too many missing bits, that sector is gone for good.

As jdobbs suggests, if you want to continue this discussion, search Doom9 for topics on this very thing.

[kufo]

Thanks for your quick reply jdobbs! Im glad to hear that. At the moment there is only one way to make it fit on a BD DL: Take the main movie. When burning to a BD DL it works on my xBox one s with shuttering sequences all the time.
That related to the bitrate wich can' t be shown on this media. Shrinking whould force a lower bitrate, I think and with this no shuttering while playback.

[m.rup]

Hi, when I try to process Blu Ray LOTR Extended Edition Return of the King disc 2, region B, I get an error:

Error Condition
BD Master Toolkit experienced an error 2603 [21:55:52] ScanDirectory()
00006 2603

When I confirm the message, I get:

Error Condition
BD Master Toolkit experienced an error 2705 [21:55:52] BuildTreeList()
00009 2705

This happens with the original disc as well as with a replacement disc.

Some times, when clicking around after the first errors, also this happens:

Error Condition
BD Master Toolkit experienced an error 2501 [22:03:49] SourceCheck()
00055 2501

When I confirm the message, I get:

Illegal Source
Selected source is not BD format.

The discs have been ripped with AnyDVD 8.2.1.0.
Both discs are playable in my Panasonic BD player and can be processed by MultiAVCHD.

All other discs of LOTR are handled well.

Any ideas what's going on?

Edit: BD Rebuilder, v0.50.25 Windows 7 Ultimate 64

[gonca]

Can you post the Inspect results and generated log

[Lathe]

Can you post the Inspect results and generated log

You seem to have an unhealthy fascination with 'generated logs'...

I'm kinda worried about you... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

[m.rup]

Here is the result of Inspect:

- [23:07:53] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
- [23:07:55] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
[01.15.18] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.25
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 337,86GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[01.15.18] Systems Settings Check complete

And Errorlog.txt:

01.15.18 [21:26:36] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [21:26:39] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
01.15.18 [21:55:52] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [21:57:47] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
01.15.18 [22:03:49] SourceCheck() 00055 2501
01.15.18 [22:10:08] SourceCheck() 00055 2501
01.15.18 [22:11:56] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [22:12:07] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
01.15.18 [23:07:53] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [23:07:55] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705

[gonca]

You seem to have an unhealthy fascination with 'generated logs'...

I'm kinda worried about you... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

And you seem to have an overwhelming fascination with me, now that is sick

[gonca]

Here is the result of Inspect:

- [23:07:53] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
- [23:07:55] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
[01.15.18] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.25
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 337,86GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[01.15.18] Systems Settings Check complete

And Errorlog.txt:

01.15.18 [21:26:36] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [21:26:39] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
01.15.18 [21:55:52] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [21:57:47] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
01.15.18 [22:03:49] SourceCheck() 00055 2501
01.15.18 [22:10:08] SourceCheck() 00055 2501
01.15.18 [22:11:56] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [22:12:07] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705
01.15.18 [23:07:53] ScanDirectory() 00006 2603
01.15.18 [23:07:55] BuildTreeList() 00009 2705

You will have to wait until jdobbs answers
But it might be a bad source

[Lathe]

And you seem to have an overwhelming fascination with me, now that is sick

Good point! :cool:

[jdobbs]

Hi, when I try to process Blu Ray LOTR Extended Edition Return of the King disc 2, region B, I get an error:

Error Condition
BD Master Toolkit experienced an error 2603 [21:55:52] ScanDirectory()
00006 2603
...
Any ideas what's going on?

Edit: BD Rebuilder, v0.50.25 Windows 7 Ultimate 64
You're getting an overflow error -- meaning that some variable is being assigned a value that is too large for it when an attempt is made to scan the disc's directory. The rest of the symptoms are just the result of the scan failure. The question is: Where and how I get the overflow, and, unfortunately, I can't really tell (very easily) without having access to that particular disc.

[AmigaFuture]

Good point! :cool:

Does this mean less Trump-like humor now? Or do we have to put guards around gonca and lower gonca? Haa.....haaa...


Anyway...

JD: TiVo H.264 videos edited .TS files and then SRT added to MKV files are producing BD's with Subtitles that play collectly with PowerDVD 12 and LG BD Player. It's DVD's as previously commented about that the CC ripped subs aren't..

[Lathe]

do we have to put guards around gonca and lower gonca? Haa.....haaa...



I don't think gonca can get much lower...

[Blurayhd]

I have a problem, my copy of The Mummy (1999) one of my favorites, when I tried to watch any Bluray device (computer, Bluray player) can´t read the disc. So I get the movie in MKV but in UFHD with English audio and some subtitles and I so need to pass it to Full HD 1920x1080.... Bd rebuilder can do the job I´m right? How? I´m very worry about it

I hope you can help me, have a nice day

[Yordan5]

This issue with the movie was also mentioned in its 4K review on blu-ray.com. Although the reviewer mentioned it was due to scratches.

[kufo]

I have a problem, my copy of The Mummy (1999) one of my favorites, when I tried to watch any Bluray device (computer, Bluray player) can´t read the disc. So I get the movie in MKV but in UFHD with English audio and some subtitles and I so need to pass it to Full HD 1920x1080.... Bd rebuilder can do the job I´m right? How? I´m very worry about it

I hope you can help me, have a nice day
There is no chance to convert an UHD file to Full HD with BDrebuilder.
Jdobbs promised an UHD update fpor BDrebuilder, later this month.
With this this update the job can be done, I think.
Also look at #26953 on previous page.

[gonca]

I don't think gonca can get much lower...

You are a cyber stalker plain and simple
You need some stronger meds, or a life

[LowDead]

There is no chance to convert an UHD file to Full HD with BDrebuilder.
Jdobbs promised an UHD update fpor BDrebuilder, later this month.
With this this update the job can be done, I think.
Also look at #26953 on previous page.

Promised is a big word.. It will come when the time is right :)

//LD

[Blurayhd]

There is no chance to convert an UHD file to Full HD with BDrebuilder.
Jdobbs promised an UHD update fpor BDrebuilder, later this month.
With this this update the job can be done, I think.
Also look at #26953 on previous page.

Thank you for answer me, so the import option (that you can add MKVs..) doesn´t works anyway?

[Lathe]

You are a cyber stalker plain and simple
You need some stronger meds, or a life

Stronger meds isn't a bad idea...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/shroom.gif

[jdobbs]

Thank you for answer me, so the import option (that you can add MKVs..) doesn´t works anyway?When I release it for test you will be able to import a 2160p MKV.

[kufo]

When I release it for test you will be able to import a 2160p MKV.

Thanks, that shows me that I was right.

[Blurayhd]

When I release it for test you will be able to import a 2160p MKV.

Thank you Jdobbs

[Blurayhd]

Hi guys, Hi Jdobbs first I really hope posting in the right section

I was creating an image from a Bluray disc and the ISO image was created just fine but imgburn in the process gave me this error and I don´t know if the ISO (considering that error) is successfully created (just like imgburn indicates) or that imagen can be damage or something?

This is the log

I 14:31:56 Operation Started!
I 14:31:56 Source Device: [0:0:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH16NS40 1.02 (R:) (USB)
I 14:31:56 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: RITEK-BR2-000)
I 14:31:56 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 2x; 4x; 6x; 7x; 10x; 12x
I 14:31:56 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x
I 14:31:56 Source Media Sectors: 11.826.176
I 14:31:56 Source Media Size: 24.220.008.448 bytes
I 14:31:56 Source Media Volume Identifier: 0853_30012013
I 14:31:56 Source Media Volume Set Identifier: 510909B8
I 14:31:56 Source Media Implementation Identifier: FoxBurner
I 14:31:56 Source Media File System(s): UDF (1.02)
I 14:31:57 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / 8x
I 14:31:57 Destination File: H:\BD\0853_30012013.ISO
I 14:31:57 Destination Free Space: 64.713.154.560 Bytes (63.196.440,00 KiB) (61.715,27 MiB) (60,27 GiB)
I 14:31:57 Destination File System: NTFS
I 14:31:57 File Splitting: Auto
I 14:31:58 Read Speed - Effective: 5x - 12x
I 14:32:02 Reading Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11826175)
I 14:32:02 Reading Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11826175)
W 14:42:11 Failed to Read Sectors 11471296 - 11471327 - Reason: Logical Block Address out of Range
W 14:42:11 Found end of Disc! - Sector: 11471296
I 14:42:12 Exporting Graph Data...
I 14:42:12 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Gamer\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH16NS40_1.02_DOMINGO-21-DE-ENERO-DE-2018_14-31_RITEK-BR2-000.ibg
I 14:42:12 Export Successfully Completed!
I 14:42:12 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:15
I 14:42:12 Average Read Rate: 37.305 KiB/s (8.5x) - Maximum Read Rate: 52.529 KiB/s (12.0x)


Thank you for your time and pacience

[Ch3vr0n]

That has absolutely nothing to do with bd-rebuilder. You're getting a burn error and the reason is your cheap crappy ritek blanks you're using. Get better quality like verbatim bd-r's. That iso also wasn't created with bdrb I'm pretty sure. Unless I'm mistaking 'foxburner' application identifier is used by elby's CloneBD. But that's besides the point. Your problem is the blank discs.

Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk

[MrVideo]

I'm confused by the MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR setting, as it appears to do nothing.

When I set MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR to "0xA7A7A7", in order to have a gray active text, the non-active text is not the value of MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR. It is a little (very little) darker value of MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR, resulting in one not being able to see a difference in the active/non-active colors (unless one changes the selection and then it is barely visible).

I set MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR=green and that resulted in no green non-active text.

How do I set the non-active text so that the difference can be seen? Maybe a MENU_NONACTIVE_COLOR setting? If set to "", then the BDRB default value is used.

By having a MENU_NONACTIVE_COLOR setting, then the menu can have three colors: non-active, active and selected (default white).

[jdobbs]

I'm confused by the MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR setting, as it appears to do nothing.

When I set MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR to "0xA7A7A7", in order to have a gray active text, the non-active text is not the value of MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR. It is a little (very little) darker value of MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR, resulting in one not being able to see a difference in the active/non-active colors (unless one changes the selection and then it is barely visible).

I set MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR=green and that resulted in no green non-active text.

How do I set the non-active text so that the difference can be seen? Maybe a MENU_NONACTIVE_COLOR setting? If set to "", then the BDRB default value is used.

By having a MENU_NONACTIVE_COLOR setting, then the menu can have three colors: non-active, active and selected (default white).MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR just lets you define a color that can be used outside of the defaults (RED, GREEN, etc). Then you could use it with either MENU_ACTIVE or MENU_INACTIVE. It's a "left over" capability that is just supported for later compatibility. For example you could set:

MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR=0x40FF30
MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR=CUSTOM

Of course you could get the same thing by just using:

MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR=0x40FF30

Note: There is a setting called MENU_INACTIVE_COLOR.

[jdobbs]

That has absolutely nothing to do with bd-rebuilder. You're getting a burn error and the reason is your cheap crappy ritek blanks you're using. Get better quality like verbatim bd-r's. That iso also wasn't created with bdrb I'm pretty sure. Unless I'm mistaking 'foxburner' application identifier is used by elby's CloneBD. But that's besides the point. Your problem is the blank discs.

Sent from my Nexus 6P with TapatalkIt looks to me like the original burning software tried to write past the end of the disc... just guessing, though. The error was:

Failed to Read Sectors 11471296 - 11471327 - Reason: Logical Block Address out of Range

That read reached beyond the last sector written:

Found end of Disc! - Sector: 11471296

So, at a minimum, it is trying to read something that isn't there -- I tend to believe the burning software was at fault.

With that said... it has absolutely nothing to do with BD Rebuilder. It might be a good question for the IMGBURN forum (http://forum.imgburn.com/)

[MrVideo]

MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR just lets you define a color that can be used outside of the defaults (RED, GREEN, etc). Then you could use it with either MENU_ACTIVE or MENU_INACTIVE. It's a "left over" capability that is just supported for later compatibility. For example you could set:

MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR=0x40FF30
MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR=CUSTOM
Ah OK. Now it is clear. Thanks for the info.
Note: There is a setting called MENU_INACTIVE_COLOR.
Oh crap, there it is. Don't know how I missed that. Must be the added year to my birth. :(

[Rich86]

That has absolutely nothing to do with bd-rebuilder. You're getting a burn error and the reason is your cheap crappy ritek blanks you're using. Get better quality like verbatim bd-r's. That iso also wasn't created with bdrb I'm pretty sure. Unless I'm mistaking 'foxburner' application identifier is used by elby's CloneBD. But that's besides the point. Your problem is the blank discs.

Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk

I've been using ritek blanks" (4x BD-Rs) for a number of years with 100% success and multi-year testing afterwards demonstrating they still play perfectly. Ritek had a period when recordable DVDs were not reliable, but that has nothing to do with their current BD-Rs. My current "goto" BD burner drives are all LGs (internally installed full-size drive plus a slim/portable drive mounted in a portable USB case).- they have performed flawlessly!

[Blurayhd]

When I release it for test you will be able to import a 2160p MKV.

Hi guys hi Jdobbs

Since we comment on this topic UFHD and talking about this, and just out of curiosity if I download a movie in UFHD and then pass it with the next version of bd rebuilder to Full HD, there is a possibility in the final result (considering the source is an ufhd), the fhd quality result could be better than if I do the same from a bd50 fhd to BD25?

I really hope you can undestand it thankyou jdobbs for do it

[MrVideo]

Since we comment on this topic UFHD ...
What is UFHD?

[kufo]

What is UFHD?

I think it should be UHD :o
Just an F tooo much :D

[Blurayhd]

I think it should be UHD :o
Just an F tooo much :D

Sorry for that

[jdobbs]

Just an F tooo much :DI often do that in conversations.

[kufo]

Sorry for that


No need to say sorry -I considered it funny, thats all:rolleyes:

[Lathe]

I often do that in conversations.

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Wagging2.gif

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
Just a friendly reminder (I know it's not on your current priority list...): Any chance that the --sar bug which I reported here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173) will perhaps be fixed in an upcoming release?
My point is that imported 720x576i 4:3 footage should be encoded with --sar 12:11 rather than 10:11. Depending on the playback scenario the wrong --sar can produce a distorted picture which is a pity because all the rest is just perfect :)
Thank you.

[AmigaFuture]

I often do that in conversations.

Funnnny! I've noticed your cunning linguistic ability, and wouldn't peg you has every other sentence F-er. My girlfriend is pretty skilled that way also, but Whhhhhew, she can produce some Fing tones if someone is really overboard to get a point across to them to stop. She usually receives some surprising looks because she's pretty creative and a looker....and does a lot with winks and slight expressions.

Orrrrr...were you meaning F from the other end, while engaged in conversations? ;-)

[Lathe]

Funnnny! I've noticed your cunning linguistic ability, and wouldn't peg you has every other sentence F-er. My girlfriend is pretty skilled that way also, but Whhhhhew, she can produce some Fing tones if someone is really overboard to get a point across to them to stop. She usually receives some surprising looks because she's pretty creative and a looker....and does a lot with winks and slight expressions.

Orrrrr...were you meaning F from the other end, while engaged in conversations? ;-)

AF... you honestly think WAY too much... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[ggtop]

Hi jdobbs,

I just ran into a small issue backing up Star Wars (Epidsode 5) into MP4 container. BDRB created a file with forced subs for ENG and hardcoded them. My setting is SUPTITLE=1 of course and
FORCED_SUB_LANG=deu;ger;
DEU and GER had no forced subs, but a ENG commentary stream had some. They were extracted to a 9999 file.
Disabling SUPTITLE for that title did the trick.

If you need some more info please let me know.

ggtop

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs,

I just ran into a small issue backing up Star Wars (Epidsode 5) into MP4 container. BDRB created a file with forced subs for ENG and hardcoded them. My setting is SUPTITLE=1 of course and
FORCED_SUB_LANG=deu;ger;
DEU and GER had no forced subs, but a ENG commentary stream had some. They were extracted to a 9999 file.
Disabling SUPTITLE for that title did the trick.

If you need some more info please let me know.

ggtopInteresting that there weren't any forced subtitles in the German track. The language being spoken at the time wasn't German was it? I'll change it so that when you have a forced subtitle language selected it won't default to the English forced subs when there aren't any others. It would be annoying to have hardcoded subtitles in a language other than your own native language.

[ggtop]

I'll change it so that when you have a forced subtitle language selected it won't default to the English forced subs when there aren't any others. It would be annoying to have hardcoded subtitles in a language other than your own native language.

Thank you very much. If you want me test some some combinations let me know. I currently have quite a large number of discs I want to encode to MP4.

Interesting that there weren't any forced subtitles in the German track. The language being spoken at the time wasn't German was it?

No, the subtitle stream in question is an additional commentary stream with just the names of the persons currently speaking in the director's comments audio stream. Saw that on other discs as well.

That brings me to a request: As the anylysis of the correct subtitle stream can be done only after extraction would it be possible to add a (hidden) option to stop BDRB from starting the first video Encoding segment? Background: As long as the first video segment hasn't been encoded successfullly I still have the chance to enable a subtitle stream and to turn it on if the subtitles aren't flagged as forced and then to continue...
Right now I wait for the extraction/indexing to be completed and press "Abort" for subtitle analyzing.
50% of my discs do not have forced subtitles. They have a stream of their own without flags.

EDIT: Such an option would only be useful (for me) in non batch mode.

ggtop

[AmigaFuture]

AF... you honestly think WAY too much... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

Ohh, Mr. Mascot, Mr. Guru?

Any time someone tells me I think too much (or meditate too much)...my alarms begin to chime a warning towards that person. ;-)

[Lathe]

Ohh, Mr. Mascot, Mr. Guru?

Any time someone tells me I think too much (or meditate too much)...my alarms begin to chime a warning towards that person. ;-)

Uh huh... Uh... it's called 'Irony' mate :D