BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Dark Shikari]

???? Is this a dig aimed at me? I'd make more from mowing lawns once a week than I get in donations... and if I can't ask for an occasional buck or two (with no requirement at all) for my effort I'll be happy to dump this whole project and spend an hour or two with my wife.I removed it before you posted because it could have been interpreted that way, but I was referring to the fact that, unlike you, I don't even ask for donations--I'm doing this completely for free, and thus the least people can do is try to make a token effort to help.I can't help you with the crash -- because it has never happened to meThat's why I'm asking for help from the people for which it crashed ;)

Bah, I probably got too worked up. Odds are Avisynth is crashing or similar and it's not even x264's fault. Nobody anywhere outside of this thread has reported crashing issues and I have entire private torrent trackers that use nothing except bleeding-edge x264. The odds that it was mere luck that all the crashes occurred here and nowhere else seems rather low.

I guess if users don't want to help, they can suffer with a slower and older x264 in their BD Rebuilder. I don't have to try to debug it if the users don't want me to.

[drmih]

I can't get my head around some of the people on here who aren't grateful for the effort both of you are putting in. However, with so many people keen to help, and perhaps not as capable with the debugging options as you are, would it be possible to release a version which can be used to obtain the debug information for both programmes automatically.

[Dark Shikari]

I can't get my head around some of the people on here who aren't grateful for the effort both of you are putting in. However, with so many people keen to help, and perhaps not as capable with the debugging options as you are, would it be possible to release a version which can be used to obtain the debug information for both programmes automatically.That could be useful; it is possible to compile x264 in debug mode without turning off optimizations, so you can get full speed while still being able to capture a backtrace in case of a crash.

It seems like unnecessary work for jdobbs though; if someone knows of a specific commandline that causes the crash, surely it is easier for them to debug it themselves (even if it means downloading a few new programs) than for jdobbs to add a rather complicated feature to BD Rebuilder that otherwise isn't really necessary?

[drmih]

but I just believe that as the programme is in beta format the quickest way to develop it is to get as much information as possible and if it's automatically there then you'll get innundated with good data.

[jdobbs]

I would really appreciate it if someone (anyone) who can consistently get the crash would grab the offending command line and run it through the debug build.

BD Rebuilder can't function without X264...

Odds are Avisynth is crashing or similar and it's not even x264's fault.That or one of the two million CODECs that are installed on some systems.

[MR.WaynesWorld]

I have a crash now doing Hancock Movie Only. Where can I get the debug code?

[MikeyBK]

I'm not in any way ignoring you or x264, Dark Shikari... I'd be glad to attempt to follow what you mentioned 'Dropping back 30 revisions is not a solution; giving backtraces of the crashes to the developers is!' ...... the best I could do is attempt this...
gdb x264.exe
set args your arguments to x264 go here
(wait)
(it crashes)
bt
(you post the output of this here)

An attempt at getting me the information I need here would be greatly appreciated.

and as for drmih's assumption that I, or any other members who might post in this thread, aren't grateful.... you can't simply assume that dude.... you don't know what I think.
Had I known that any info from me would help, I'd have done it all along...

Simply had to ask, that's all.......couldn't have imagined any info from me would be of any use..... I'm not a developer of x264, and have to work very hard to earn a living, but I'm still willing to try to attain the info he may need, just unsure where to begin.

[GaPony]

That or one of the two million CODECs that are installed on some systems.

I have a feeling that may be the issue. While I have encountered a few failures, I wouldn't call them crashes. The only codecs I have installed are those that you posted as necessary to run BD-Rebuilder. Perhaps if people first removed all the codecs from their system, ran a registry cleaner and reinstall only those required, they would likely have somewhat better success.

[Capsbackup]

I would like to try and help as well as I can. However, I am not as technical as many of the testers reporting here. So if I am not up to the task I will bow out without offense and read and follow others who report. I would need a more simplified explanation/guide to be able to report this occurence. I have a brand new build of an i7 920, 2.67GHz(no OC), and only installed ffdshow and haali,WMP 11, Anydvdhd.. just the basics. No other codec packs, to my knowledge, are installed. I could not follow the method to be able to report as mentioned above. So if details can be provided, I will share what I can.
Backing up Iron Man, NTSC, fullbackup with BD-RB v1809, I had this .x264 stop happen toward the very end of the backup. I did not pay attention to which .m2ts it happened to, and the backup .x264 did allow for the backup to complete successfully. So if there is something I can provide or do regarding this, I will.

[m1482]

I removed it before you posted because it could have been interpreted that way, but I was referring to the fact that, unlike you, I don't even ask for donations--I'm doing this completely for free, and thus the least people can do is try to make a token effort to help.That's why I'm asking for help from the people for which it crashed ;)

Bah, I probably got too worked up. Odds are Avisynth is crashing or similar and it's not even x264's fault. Nobody anywhere outside of this thread has reported crashing issues and I have entire private torrent trackers that use nothing except bleeding-edge x264. The odds that it was mere luck that all the crashes occurred here and nowhere else seems rather low.

I guess if users don't want to help, they can suffer with a slower and older x264 in their BD Rebuilder. I don't have to try to debug it if the users don't want me to.

Even that I want to help, I am not an expert using the "debug" information.
However, there are some things that solved the crash problem in my computer that I want to share.
First, x264 crashed when it was reencoding mpeg2 source, specially at the end of the encoding.
Second, when I went back to a previous version of x264 (1102) problem was solved.
Third, I unistalled latest versions of FFDSHOW and Haali Muxer and installed K-lite Code Pack 453 (I don't know which version of FFDSHOW is included in the pkg.), then version 1109 of x264 doesn't crash anymore!!!

Maybe the problem is not x264!!!
Conflicts may be from codecs, AviSynth, Haali Muxer, or the conflict between all of them...

[jdobbs]

Just as a point of reference, has anyone found any systems that won't playback when "Strict AVCHD" is checked? My system treats the disc the same with or without it. I'm thinking about making it the default.

[DIVX2009]

Jdobbs,
is not x264 problem, maybe is missing audio codec for lpcm 7.1 and dts true hd.
is possible using bd rebuilder for video only and audio trak remain untached ?...
option copy audio ???...compress only video ???
tks

[jdobbs]

I've answered that numerous times. Trying to blame the audio track for a video encoder crash isn't logical. It looks more like you're trying to bring up that same request again...

Reminder: this is a BUG REPORTING thread, not a "I'm going to make a feature request over-and-over" thread.

[datman]

Stricter AVCHD compliance movie-only was my problem. I did Patton today for and it will play the ISO and I thought I forgot to uncheck the Do not covert dts to ac3 because I have the DTS 1509kbps sound. The only option I had checked in setup was limit one track for each language:confused:

What I did do is change the quality setting from 3 to 2. Last night when I started the encode I thought if 5 is bad 2 must be better than 3. Either way the picture looks great I would say perfect (100%) and with better audio saved to a BD9 size done 8 1/2 hours. Unless you advice otherwize I'm sticking with this setting.

The Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie-only must have been why I kept getting 448 ac3 audio files when I was encoding Independence day.

What does the Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie-only option do? and why would you want to use it?

Other than this? So far everything I encode without the AVCHD checked play in ISO file and nothing (ISO) with it checked.

[Dark Shikari]

If someone wants to help debug the crash but needs help doing so, drop by #x264 on Freenode IRC and I can guide you through it step by step.

[jwgallardo]

Just as a point of reference, has anyone found any systems that won't playback when "Strict AVCHD" is checked? My system treats the disc the same with or without it. I'm thinking about making it the default.

Yes. Denon BD-3800 don't play AVCHD discs and don't recognize them since the loading. I backup using "Movie Only without AVCHD checked".

[jdobbs]

And it works ok on the Denon, I assume?

[GaPony]

No problems on my end (PS3, BD-P2500 & BDP-S550 players) with the "Strict AVCHD" setting, but I think I've seen where it does cause problems for some people. I guess as far as whether to make it the default, it would depend on whether it useful for more people than it hurts. Either way, I think you'll end up needing to provide an option.

[TheOfficeMaven]

...drop by #x264 on Freenode IRC...

Ha! I think you've already lost most folks right there. No wonder they're afraid to try and debug x264. :eek: :D

[jwgallardo]

And it works ok on the Denon, I assume?

Yes. It works perfect now with v0.18.8. Without AVCHD checked.

I agree that leaving the option is the best way. Either checked default or not, but the option to choose.

[Furiousflea]

BUG - I've noticed that BD-Rebuilder has encoded a 2 channel PCM track at 640K AC3 (also a couple of other 2 channel audio tracks that were PCM on the same disc). Causing over size of around 300mb.

I noticed this happen the other day also on another disc

The option to encode AC3 at 640K was set to on in the settings menu, but you shouldn't expect that this would apply to 2 channel audio surely? Just 5.1.

I think it would be a good idea to differentiate between 2.0\5.1 encoding in the settings. So we could chose say 64k\128k for a 2.0 commentry track and 640k for a 5.1 track etc.

192k is overkill really for 2.0 tracks when these are normally just commentry\tracks that aren't very important. I have done a few commentry tracks at 96k and they sound very good - not transparent but by no means bad and they still serve their purpose. Allowing for more bitrate where it's needed.

With a bit more trimming the fat and giving a few more options, reducing extras to 720x480 etc, near transparent full backups on BD9 should be possible for any film.

Oops I've gone off on one there

[jdobbs]

The 640Kbs option shouldn't affect stereo encodes... but I'll go back and check.

[edit] Yep, I just looked... I had mistyped a character when deciding the bitrate based on FORMAT, and the value for stereo was defaulting to 640Kbs when it is set... I'll fix that for the next release.

[jdobbs]

Just did a little surfing and found this ad (http://www.shop4tech.com/item7856.html) -- BD-R for under $5... not bad. And here's another one (http://www.genesysdtp.com/bluray.htm) where you can get Ridata BD-R discs for as little as $4.50 (if you don't mind buying 100) and a 25 pack of inkjet printable Ridata discs for $150. :) Well, looks like I know what I'm doing with those donations I got these last few weeks.

[GaPony]

Just did a little surfing and found this ad (http://www.shop4tech.com/item7856.html) -- BD-R for under $5... not bad. And here's another one (http://www.genesysdtp.com/blu-ray.htm) where you can get Ridata BD-R discs for as little as $4.50 (if you don't mind buying 100).

I just got a couple 25 packs of Ridata 2x BD-R 25 from newegg.com (on sale) for $109.99 ($4.40 each) this past week. They went back up to $115.99 ($4.64) since then. Free Shipping is a plus too.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132059 These are Shiny Silver, unbranded.

They burn very well and I've had no coasters after burning through the first 25. At least you don't have to buy 100 of them.

[jdobbs]

Cool. I'd decided that I wouldn't get serious about BD-R backups until they dropped below $5. I've been testing with the same two BD-REs for a long time now.

Looks like I'm there -- placed an order. :)

[MikeyBK]

Ha! I think you've already lost most folks right there. No wonder they're afraid to try and debug x264. :eek: :D


If I can find my way onto there, 'anyone' can,,,lmao...:p

It's after I get on there and try to follow Dark Shikari's instructions, where I've been somewhat overwhelmed :eek:... but plan to continue attempting what Dark Shikari requires to get some feedback on the crashes... perhaps later tonite or early tomorrow.

[jdobbs]

Many thanks MikeyBK. :thanks: All it takes is somebody who can repeat the problem, and I'm sure we'll find out what is at the root of it. I'll be interested to see what it is.

I'm playing around with resizing to 1280x720p as an active option... you may see something tomorrow.

[hoang]

Frys.com has 15 pk memorex bd-r 4x for $50. Limit 1 per household. See link
http://shop1.frys.com/product/5678681?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[Jake802]

Well, I would like to report I have made my first full disc backup that has worked on both my LG and my PS3. I have noticed one wierd thing though. I made a backup of From Russia With Love and it seems in parts, like there are frames missing. The movie doesn't skip or freeze or anything, but the best way to describe it is like its missing a piece. Thanks JDobbs! Program gets better each time I use it, now to get TrueHD lol!

[mmace]

for those in the UK, I found some printable BD-R 25's for £4 here (no minimum, postage is £5 though): http://www.digitalpromo.co.uk/bluray-media-bluray-printable-media-c-1_27_378.html

[drmih]

Well, I would like to report I have made my first full disc backup that has worked on both my LG and my PS3. I have noticed one wierd thing though. I made a backup of From Russia With Love and it seems in parts, like there are frames missing. The movie doesn't skip or freeze or anything, but the best way to describe it is like its missing a piece. Thanks JDobbs! Program gets better each time I use it, now to get TrueHD lol!

I also did this disc and actually sat down and watched it and there wasn't one flaw that I could detect. I did mine to bd-25 and played it on a Sony S550.

[drmih]

I have had problems with versions .18.8 and .18.9 where Vista reports that 'x264 has stopped working'. The frustrating thing is that Vista waits for you to close this before it continues and it seems that on the retry that it usually is okay. However, as an example I set something going last night, and this morning it was sitting there on 0.5% complete.
This error usually occurs at the end of the encode. I have included the lastcmd for the one I have just found:

"D:\HD-DVD\BD-RBV01809\BD_Rebuilder\tools\x264.exe" "D:\SCRATCH\WORKFILES\VID_00040.AVS" --bitrate 8949 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --vbv-bufsize 25000 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 30000 --filter 0,0 --subme 2 --me dia --bframes 3 --direct auto --weightb --partitions none --trellis 0 --analyse none --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --stats "D:\SCRATCH\WORKFILES\VID_00040.AVS.264.stats" --pass 1 --output NUL

[jdobbs]

This seems to be happening only on certain computers. I've never seen it myself. The X264 version is being debugged. In the meantime, you can use the older version of X264 (r1082) by renaming it in the TOOLS directory. It was included in the 0.18.9 release.

[jdobbs]

I'm currently working on the capability to resize to 720p. Can anyone recommend an easily automated method for converting sup files from 1080p to 720p? A freeware command line based app would be best. I see that SUPREAD can do the conversion but I can't find anything that documents what can and can't be done from the command line.

Alternatively I can write the code myself -- are there any good documents/links on blu-ray SUP file format?

[k-c-ksum]

ot - scan in the uk have some cheap ritek bd-r

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/10x-Cake-box-Ritek-RITE801-25GB-BD-R-2x-Blue-ray-Single-Sided-Printable-600min

almost time to make the leap from dvd9 to bd25

[drmih]

http://www.cvbmedia.co.uk/blu-ray-discs.html

I've used these and the bd-re are only just over £5. The bd-r with free cases are good value. Scan are okay but the carriage is over £7 which is alot if you only want 10 discs.

These are the cheapest in the UK, but the stock is a bit hit and miss:

http://www.optical-disc.co.uk/acatalog/DVD_R_16x.html

[MikeyBK]

This seems to be happening only on certain computers. I've never seen it myself. The X264 version is being debugged. In the meantime, you can use the older version of X264 (r1082) by renaming it in the TOOLS directory. It was included in the 0.18.9 release.

Well I seem to be failing miserably in offering any useful feedback to Dark Shikari:(
I've tried following his instructions and am getting nowhere... I'm obviously doing it all wrong since his instructions seem pretty straightforward.:o

I hope there's others that are also trying to get debugging feedback to Dark Shikari as well, because I'm not sure I can get this done for him, a wee bit overwhelmed here:p

Perhaps you drmih? :cool: lmao

[jdobbs]

Is the problem not reoccurring when you run the debug version?

[Furiousflea]

http://www.cvbmedia.co.uk/blu-ray-discs.html

I've used these and the bd-re are only just over £5. The bd-r with free cases are good value. Scan are okay but the carriage is over £7 which is alot if you only want 10 discs.

These are the cheapest in the UK, but the stock is a bit hit and miss:

http://www.optical-disc.co.uk/acatalog/DVD_R_16x.html

You can get free delivery at scan.co.uk by beciming a member of avforums.com and making a few posts then emailing scan and they will add free delivery for life to your account for orders over £20.

[MikeyBK]

Is the problem not reoccurring when you run the debug version?

No, not with the x264.exe he uploaded to me, but I don't think I'm following his instructions correctly.

[tyte_E_YT]

Is there something wrong with the BD-9? Or do they just not play well in the ps3? Each time I've tried making a dvd9 it skips and stutters in the ps3. On a side note, I have also seen the x264 error in vista, so its not rare at all.

[GaPony]

Is there something wrong with the BD-9? Or do they just not play well in the ps3? Each time I've tried making a dvd9 it skips and stutters in the ps3. On a side note, I have also seen the x264 error in vista, so its not rare at all.

The PS3 won't play a full backup to BD9/BD5. It will play AVCHD (Movie Only) copies to BD9/BD5. There was an issue, as you describe, with some versions after 0.17.13 but it was fixed in version 0.18.08 ( maybe 0.18.07). You do, of course, need to check the option for "Stricter compliance for AVCHD" in setup, unless you want to manually remove unwanted folders in the BDMV folder before burning to disc.

[laserfan]

Well I seem to be failing miserably in offering any useful feedback to Dark Shikari:( ... a wee bit overwhelmed here:p
But you are to be commended for trying! :)

DS could no doubt have become either a Brain Scientist or a Rocket Surgeon ;) but instead he's chosen to write computer software. It seems he sometimes has difficulty communicating at the level of some of us mere mortals...

[Capsbackup]

Perhaps a link to these instructions and/or a simplified guide would bring me in. I am all for helping out here, but I can definitely get lost quite easily without the details. But as I said before, if I am not up to the task or the qualifications, I'm out and I will stand by and read others attempts.

[jdobbs]

I just uploaded v0.19.01 to my server and it can be downloaded through the first post of this thread. The changes are:
- Corrected an error in which audio track of menu
items may not have been updated properly. This
could cause menus to not play audio (especially
for LPCM).
- Enabled PGS (subtitle) removal and wrote code to
handle removal and updating of MPLS files.
Note: If a file is determined to likely be a menu
(small with certain characteristics) subtitles will
not be removed by default (in the streams display).
You can manually remove them -- but only at the
risk of creating possible menu problems.
- Added an option to the SETUP dialog for resizing
1920x1080 sources to 1280x720. This should make
BD-5 backups of many sources more viable.
Note: If a file is determined to likely be a menu
(small with certain characteristics) is will not
be resized.
- Corrected an error in which simple stereo AC3 can
under certain conditions default to 448Kbs or
640Kbs (massive overkill). The rate will now be
correctly set 192Kbs.
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.
Please note that as of today, the conversion to 1280x720 results in issues with subtitles. I'll work on that for the next release.

[Furiousflea]

I just uploaded v0.19.01 to my server and it can be downloaded through the first post of this thread. The changes are:
- Corrected an error in which audio track of menu
items may not have been updated properly. This
could cause menus to not play audio (especially
for LPCM).
- Enabled PGS (subtitle) removal and wrote code to
handle removal and updating of MPLS files.
Note: If a file is determined to likely be a menu
(small with certain characteristics) subtitles will
not be removed by default (in the streams display).
You can manually remove them -- but only at the
risk of creating possible menu problems.
- Added an option to the SETUP dialog for resizing
1920x1080 sources to 1280x720. This should make
BD-5 backups of many sources more viable.
Note: If a file is determined to likely be a menu
(small with certain characteristics) is will not
be resized.
- Corrected an error in which simple stereo AC3 can
under certain conditions default to 448Kbs or
640Kbs (massive overkill). The rate will now be
correctly set 192Kbs.
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.
Please note that as of today, the conversion to 1280x720 results in issues with subtitles. I'll work on that for the next release.

Thanks sounds good, can I assume that the bug with audio\subs not playing or being selectable for the main feature of my "The Matrix" full backup being fixed with this release? (audio\subs work fine on extras)

...Also I know you don't like requests but 720x480 resize for extras onlywould be very handy ;) (as a serperate option - keeping main m2ts at 1920x1080)

[Capsbackup]

Thanks jdobbs for the new version, and for all of your efforts on this program. I will give it a test shortly. Just curious if you tested X-Files 2 or another movie that has a two option of the same movie to select from (extended or theatrical), and if both versions play the audio and subs?

[Furiousflea]

Perhaps a link to these instructions and/or a simplified guide would bring me in. I am all for helping out here, but I can definitely get lost quite easily without the details. But as I said before, if I am not up to the task or the qualifications, I'm out and I will stand by and read others attempts.

I'll work on a simple guide, some time today\tomorrow if I can't be bothered :p

[jdobbs]

Thanks jdobbs for the new version, and for all of your efforts on this program. I will give it a test shortly. Just curious if you tested X-Files 2 or another movie that has a two option of the same movie to select from (extended or theatrical), and if both versions play the audio and subs? Didn't test it. I'll check it out. I ran X_Files_2 on a previous version with no issues as movie-only and full backup... not sure if I've tried the extended edition.

Thanks sounds good, can I assume that the bug with audio\subs not playing or being selectable for the main feature of my "The Matrix" full backup being fixed with this release? (audio\subs work fine on extras)I'm running "The Matrix" right now to see if there are any issues in it. I don't expect any, but you never know.

[ron spencer]

this looks cool...will try the resize for bd-5

I notice you are using lanzcos resize....that is typically used for upsizing, although downsizing will work

spline64resize will give you nicer results when downsizing typically, which is what I use when converting to DVD from HD.

Can you add this as a setup option as it is in AVISynth anyway? It will be slower encode though.