BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[dianasta]

@dianasta;
I have backed up the Region A, NTSC version of this movie as well as a few others that experienced the same thing with PowerDVD. However, after burning to BD-RE and testing on my stand alone Sony BDP-BX1, all have played back perfectly. So I believe it is a software/PowerDVD issue and not a BD-RB bug. So, unfortunately, if your only playback is thru the PC, your out of luck. However, if you have a stand alone, try burning to BD-RE and test that method.

That is interesting.... thanks Capsbackup. I'm wondering what it could be wrong with PowerDVD :)

Regards.

[dianasta]

@dianasta

Hi!

Perhaps a little patience is required ;>}

I've found that with SOME full backups on disc, it can take PowerDVD (I use v.7.3 with NO updates)as long as three minutes to get past the point you've described.

Hi,
After 20 minutes the screen was still blank, in my case....

[Furiousflea]

Using the 0.25.01 beta...doing "The Matrix"...

Can't select the AC3+ track to include in the output, it's got the red cross and double clicking it does nothing? I've set the ini option to enable secondary video track processing?

Cheers,

[jdobbs]

Trying to do the Dr Who BR and get following:

[12:39:16] BD Rebuilder v0.24.02 (beta)
- Source: DRWHO_PLANETOFTHEDEAD
- Input BD size: 29.64 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:09:28.859]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- RESIZE 1080p to 720p enabled
- Target too small. Encode stopped.

Was doing down to 25 gig size, any thoughts??? That means the combined size of all the audio and subtitle tracks you have decided to keep do not leave any room for the video. This is one of the dangers you face in attempting to keep too much HD audio, it can be huge. A good bet would be that the disc has LPCM tracks.

[drmih]

Using the 0.25.01 beta...doing "The Matrix"...

Can't select the AC3+ track to include in the output, it's got the red cross and double clicking it does nothing? I've set the ini option to enable secondary video track processing?

Cheers,

I made that mistake - don't go by changes.txt as at the last minute he disabled it, as mentioned in the post where he put the link. I think the version that he mentions working is his internal one which is the next due for release.

[jdobbs]

Using the 0.25.01 beta...doing "The Matrix"...

Can't select the AC3+ track to include in the output, it's got the red cross and double clicking it does nothing? I've set the ini option to enable secondary video track processing?

Cheers,Sorry about that. It is disabled in 0.25.01. I added the note to the posting in the forum -- but forgot to add it to the CHANGES.TXT file. I wanted to do some more testing before releasing it.

[drmih]

That means the combined size of all the audio and subtitle tracks you have decided to keep do not leave any room for the video. This is one of the dangers you face in attempting to keep too much HD audio, it can be huge. A good bet would be that the disc has LPCM tracks.

I'd be suprised as I think the disc contains a 60 mins HD film and a 60 min SD documentary. Given that he's only trying to save 7 GB in 30 GB you'd think it would be okay.

[Mediogre]

@dianasta;
I have backed up the Region A, NTSC version of this movie as well as a few others that experienced the same thing with PowerDVD. However, after burning to BD-RE and testing on my stand alone Sony BDP-BX1, all have played back perfectly. So I believe it is a software/PowerDVD issue and not a BD-RB bug. So, unfortunately, if your only playback is thru the PC, your out of luck. However, if you have a stand alone, try burning to BD-RE and test that method.

I have seen this blank main movie several times in PowerDVD. For one, I burned it to disc and it did play fine on a Sony bdp-s360. However it exhibited the same blank screen when played on a Panasonic dmp-bd60k. So it's not just a PowerDVD issue.

Maybe both PowerDVD and Panasonic have the same bug, but I would think it's more likely that there is a nuance in BD-RB that causes it, especially since it's still in beta. Sorry I can't be more specific.

[Capsbackup]

I have seen this blank main movie several times in PowerDVD. For one, I burned it to disc and it did play fine on a Sony bdp-s360. However it exhibited the same blank screen when played on a Panasonic dmp-bd60k. So it's not just a PowerDVD issue.

Maybe both PowerDVD and Panasonic have the same bug, but I would think it's more likely that there is a nuance in BD-RB that causes it, especially since it's still in beta. Sorry I can't be more specific.

That's good to know, my only experience regarding this issue has been with PowerDVD and my Sony BDP-BX1. I guess I assumed it was not an issue on a stand alone, but it looks like I'm mistaken. Thanks for your input. Maybe more needs to be looked into regarding that, or the other players just are not as compatible as the Sony.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

I must be doing something wrong, because this is really mystifying!

I just used v.25.01 to do a "movie-only" conversion of "Good Luck Chuck - Unrated" (U.S.). Instead of the target size of 4581228544 bytes, the final file size was 2289106944 - exactly one-half (to 4 decimal places) the target size!

What's equally mystifying is that, despite the excessive compression, the resultant file (to these admittedly weak old eyes) appears to be quite good - the backgrounds are better on this one (extremely minimal blockiness and pixel-shifting).

This is the .INF file:[Status]
LABEL=GOODLUCKCHUCK
VERSION=v0.25.01 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=24368818176
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=24368818176
TARGET_SIZE=4581228544
REDUCTION=.187995515864282
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=1
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00000]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=4581228544
NSIZE=1741074432
FLINK=0
MLINK=0

And here's the log:[11:34:38] BD Rebuilder v0.25.01 (beta)
- Source: GOODLUCKCHUCK
- Input BD size: 22.70 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:41:18.112]
- Target BD size: 4.27 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[11:34:38] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:34:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [11:43:38] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- Analyzing complexity using 5.0% sample.
- Selected CRF value of 31.02 for encode.
[17:32:43]PHASE ONE complete
[17:32:43]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:32:43] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[17:34:24] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[17:34:24]JOB: GOODLUCKCHUCK finished.

And here's the .INI file:[Options]
RESIZE=0
MODE=1
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
CRF_ENCODING=1
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
TRELLIS=1
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DTS_REENCODE=1
AC3_REENCODE=1
AC3_640=1
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23450
TARGET_SIZE=4369
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=C:\BD_WORKC\
SOURCE_PATH=E:\GOODLUCKCHUCK\

and finally, the "LastCMD.txt" file"C:\BD_RB2501Test\BD_Rebuilder\tools\x264.exe" "C:\BD_WORKC\WORKFILES\VID_00000.AVS" --crf 31.02 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --fps 24000/1001 --aud --vbv-bufsize 14500 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --filter 0,0 --subme 7 --me umh --ref 3 --bframes 3 --direct auto --8x8dct --weightb --trellis 1 --psy-rd 1.0:0.2 --aq-strength 0.8 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --stats "C:\BD_WORKC\WORKFILES\VID_00000.AVS.MKV.stats" --pass 1 --output "C:\BD_WORKC\WORKFILES\VID_00000.AVS.MKV"

Please advise.

[Furiousflea]

Sorry about that. It is disabled in 0.25.01. I added the note to the posting in the forum -- but forgot to add it to the CHANGES.TXT file. I wanted to do some more testing before releasing it.

Cheers for the heads up :)

[Chiamos]

or play it with totalmedia theater 3 (it can plays avchd and blurays from hard disc too!) all the bd-rs i had burned works perfect on my pc with that piece of software... but some of those bd-rs (like the foo fighters one, refused to play ok on my ps3)

Hi chudm.
I'm really with you there. as TMT 3 does all that and more, and especially a nice plugin to playback BD with VMC. :)

Long time use here with PowerDVD, and 7.3 is the version that still plays fine, but some of those Black screens and other issues just might not occur with TMT 3.;)

[Tongariro]

Did you try to do the movie from scratch with 0.25.1? I ask because I added some code that should reduce the likelihood of a stream that fails.

Setting the MIN size shouldn't have the affect you mentioned, because any smaller stream that is a component within a larger stream that is being encoded will not be excluded from encoding (no matter what MIN setting you choose).

I just finished and its still not working.
I do see the FBI warning and another Text but then every thing freezes.:(

BTW I did it in CRF mode and the size was 16.8G.

Just to remind you the Original movie works the extended version isn't.

:thanks:

[GaPony]

Maybe you should give it a shot, using BDRB's default settings... that may help pinpoint where things went wrong.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs

I must be doing something wrong, because this is really mystifying!

I just used v.25.01 to do a "movie-only" conversion of "Good Luck Chuck - Unrated" (U.S.). Instead of the target size of 4581228544 bytes, the final file size was 2289106944 - exactly one-half (to 4 decimal places) the target size!

Looks to me as if the crf (31.02) has been estimated for a full disk backup rather than movie only. At this high crf the quality has certainly suffered, however as you say it is amazing how much compression x264 can apply and still producing an acceptable result.
Maybe we should wait for jdobb's next release with improved crf estimation algorithm. The exactly one-half target size is an interesting observation though.

[scissors]

Looks to me as if the crf (31.02) has been estimated for a full disk backup rather than movie only. At this high crf the quality has certainly suffered, however as you say it is amazing how much compression x264 can apply and still producing an acceptable result.
Maybe we should wait for jdobb's next release with improved crf estimation algorithm. The exactly one-half target size is an interesting observation though.

I'm experiencing the same - Pearl Harbour. Set for dvd9 67% done. The mkv in the workfiles is 2gig

[isoss]

with what version was that? v25.01?

evrey version till v24.02 the latest version i dont have

[Kakashi Sensei]

Just did a 1 pass quick Encode for BD25 of a custom Empire Strikes back BD I found ;)

came out to 21.6GB - Burning to BD-RE now to check quality.

[Sharc]

BD-RB v0.25.01(beta), 2-pass: When the BD Rebulder window looses focus to another application and should receive focus later, the response is ..... (not responding). The extraction or encoding processes however continue in the background.

[chudm]

Just did a 1 pass quick Encode for BD25 of a custom Empire Strikes back BD I found ;)

came out to 21.6GB - Burning to BD-RE now to check quality.

for me 1 pass quick encode works great :D

[jdobbs]

BD-RB v0.25.01(beta), 2-pass: When the BD Rebulder window looses focus to another application and should receive focus later, the response is ..... (not responding). The extraction or encoding processes however continue in the background.At what point? Encoding? Muxing? Copying files?

[Sharc]

During Encoding. (Not sure if I had the same during extracting as well). It regained focus once a phase (e.g. 1st pass) terminated.

Btw, the extraction of audio and sups with downsizing to 720 work in the current encode. Difference is that the the original audio tracks now are 1 x True_HD and 1 x ac3, while in the previous case which failed the original audio were 2 x DTS-HD (post#3782).

Added:
Finally, I am happy to inform that the encode terminated successfuly - despite of the hickup reported above. All ok.

[daberti]

No way I can get to right results with latest beta if I resize to 720p from 1080p. Calculated bitrate is less than half of what it should be for a 8.5GB disc.

[DarknessUK]

If the original was under 30 Gb and you're perhaps dropping a language or re-encoding one, then it'll just about fit on a bd-r. Is there any reason why your resizing?

Am new to all this and the first few goes I have had, have worked fine. The only changes I made was to drop down to 720P video.

Am not sure how to drop a language - is that selected when I rip or when I use BD R?

[DarknessUK]

That means the combined size of all the audio and subtitle tracks you have decided to keep do not leave any room for the video. This is one of the dangers you face in attempting to keep too much HD audio, it can be huge. A good bet would be that the disc has LPCM tracks.

So when can I drop doundtracks?
Do I have to do it when I rip, or when I use BD R?

[Furiousflea]

So when can I drop doundtracks?
Do I have to do it when I rip, or when I use BD R?

In the main window, it has a list of video\audio streams just double click the audio tracks to alternate between keeping\removing them.

Alternatively, in the options menu just select the languages you want to keep then each time you load a BD folder into BDRB it will automatically put a cross by the ones that aren't in your language and they won't be backed up.

So you rip your FULL disc, then load that into BDRB and the removal happens during the backup.

Then burn the resulting folder.

[picman1]

Hi,

I am a new user of this tool to see if I can create files that will stream to the PS3. I have blu-ray files that are AVC video and 2 tracks one is LPCM 5.1/7.1 and the other is a 5.1 AC3. If I have a Blu-ray structure that has an AVC video will that file get copied over as is? Also, I have a DTS-HD lossless audio track that I want to convert to LPCM for one audio track and also get the AC3 core as the other audio track. Can this tool create a .TS or . M2TS file with the copied AVC video and the LPCM and AC3 aufio tracks?

I tried another tool ripbot but it only does one audio track. Thanks for your help.

[daberti]

One stupid question: 0.25.1 is out yet here at 1st page is still mentioned an older version. Where could I find a link to the most updated version, please and thanks?

[tekmobile]

One stupid question: 0.25.1 is out yet here at 1st page is still mentioned an older version. Where could I find a link to the most updated version, please and thanks?

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[tekmobile]

Hi,

I am a new user of this tool to see if I can create files that will stream to the PS3. I have blu-ray files that are AVC video and 2 tracks one is LPCM 5.1/7.1 and the other is a 5.1 AC3. If I have a Blu-ray structure that has an AVC video will that file get copied over as is? Also, I have a DTS-HD lossless audio track that I want to convert to LPCM for one audio track and also get the AC3 core as the other audio track. Can this tool create a .TS or . M2TS file with the copied AVC video and the LPCM and AC3 aufio tracks?

I tried another tool ripbot but it only does one audio track. Thanks for your help.

It won't convert DTS-HD MA to LPCM

[saphire199]

I don't know if this helps or not, but I tried running death race thru again after last error report (- Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00293.meta
- This is not an EBML file (id=0/440786851
[21:01:40] - Failed to build structure, aborted.) This time it made it to clip 62 and I got the GUI error. As the GUI error happened right before it started encoding clip 62, I restarted BDRB and did the rest of the movie, no problem. I burned it to BD-RE and it played - but no sound cuz I had set BDRB to keep the HD audio for BD25, which I guess my receiver can't decode. So I tried another run thru BDRB, the whole movie went thru with no problem (changing the one setting re: HD audio). Reason I am letting you know is 1st run got an error, second run got an error, third run (without HD audio) ran thru without a hitch.

Saphire199

[chudm]

I don't know if this helps or not, but I tried running death race thru again after last error report (- Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00293.meta
- This is not an EBML file (id=0/440786851
[21:01:40] - Failed to build structure, aborted.) This time it made it to clip 62 and I got the GUI error. As the GUI error happened right before it started encoding clip 62, I restarted BDRB and did the rest of the movie, no problem. I burned it to BD-RE and it played - but no sound cuz I had set BDRB to keep the HD audio for BD25, which I guess my receiver can't decode. So I tried another run thru BDRB, the whole movie went thru with no problem (changing the one setting re: HD audio). Reason I am letting you know is 1st run got an error, second run got an error, third run (without HD audio) ran thru without a hitch.

Saphire199

i did yesterday death race region a, and keep hd audio, all extras ... and never got an error man, did it with high speed encoding for bd-25, and tellis algorithm for better quality, and was done the encoding of the whole bd in 5 hours :)

[Category 5]

Just did G Torino with fast encode to BD25 and it only took 2hr and 20min! It looks good so far. I am now doing a long encode to make a comparison, but from 14 hours to 2.33 hours? WOAH!

Still can't get Step Brothers backed up. What a pain that one is.

[Furiousflea]

One stupid question: 0.25.1 is out yet here at 1st page is still mentioned an older version. Where could I find a link to the most updated version, please and thanks?

It's because 0.25.01 is a test version that potentially has a lot of bugs and jdobbs doesn't want any old goon trying it out. :)

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs and/or anyone who has successfully backed up Die Hard 2 Die Harder to BD-25, keeping DTS HD Master Audio.
I have completed backing up the Die Hard movies to BD-25, full movie, keep HD audio. Disc 1, (Die Hard), disc 3 ( With A Vengeance) and disc 4 ( Live Free or Die Hard), have turned out absolutely perfect, all with DTS HD Master audio kept, and look and sound great. Disc 2, Die Hard 2 Die Harder has been interesting, to say the least.
I have now tried with BD-RBV02302, BD-RBV02402, and BD-RBV02501, and all experience the same results.
The full movie backup, keeping the DTS HD Master Audio, plays only with silence on my Sony BDP-BX1, no audio heard. Also, my receiver only says stereo when the movie plays and there is only silence. When I play the other three movies, the receiver says DTS HD Master, and audio is heard.
So I try a movie only backup to BD-25, and also keep the HD audio, and now it plays normal, audio is heard, and the receiver says DTS HD Master.
Why BD-RB will work in movie only mode but not in full backup for this movie is a mystery.
I have backed up about 25 blu-rays to full movie, BD-25, keeping HD Audio, and never experienced this before.
(The audio plays and is heard on the computer with PowerDVD 7.3 and MPC for the full movie back up, just not on the stand alone.)
Though I can't say for sure this is a bug with BD-RB, the conclusion that a movie only works when a full backup will not does leave a question.

[jdobbs]

Man, trying to predict the size of a CRF encode is tough. I've been trying everything to get an accurate prediction. I gather the quants, I weigh them based on value, I adjust everything based upon complexity information in the stats file...

I just can't seem to get an accurate prediction. It's usually in the neighborhood, but still has occasional "WTF?" results.

[chudm]

Man, trying to predict the size of a CRF encode is tough. I've been trying everything to get an accurate prediction. I gather the quants, I weigh them based on value, I adjust everything based upon complexity information in the stats file...

I just can't seem to get an accurate prediction. It's usually in the neighborhood, but still has occasional "WTF?" results.
i suppose you are right man, i mean a movie wont be 100% of the time full action, so the bitrate required for every scene can change! so if the first minutes of the movie taken to stimate the bitrate or quality needed, have too many actions scenes, then later its a pretty "slow" movie without action scenes, the bitrate will be "low" and the final size will be small, but still the file will have good quality... am i right?

[saphire199]

Furious, you posted this in a thread
"the small m2ts it's because it's only 1 frame long and avisynth won't accept it. You can get around that error by setting the minimum m2ts size to encode at 150mb"

Just wanted to know where you are adjusting this, where do you adjust the minimum m2ts size? And I apologize this is not a bug, but was in this thread to begin with.

saphire199

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Although you've indicated nothing to the contrary regarding my two previous posts, I just thought I'd ask to make certain:

We ARE supposed to be able to use the "One-pass (Experimental") option for "movie-only", aren't we?

[DarknessUK]

In the main window, it has a list of video\audio streams just double click the audio tracks to alternate between keeping\removing them.

Alternatively, in the options menu just select the languages you want to keep then each time you load a BD folder into BDRB it will automatically put a cross by the ones that aren't in your language and they won't be backed up.

So you rip your FULL disc, then load that into BDRB and the removal happens during the backup.

Then burn the resulting folder.

Thanks for the tips.
I went into SETUP and checked that ENGLISH was the only language selkected, and made sure it was the only sub-title there too.

When I look in the STREAM window, it shows 12 sections, titled VID_xxxxxxx and inside each one is an audio section titled AUD_001, AC3, Stereo, English

There is also a subtitle folder under each.

So, I cannot see any HD audio formats in there to un-select.

[Sharc]

Man, trying to predict the size of a CRF encode is tough.....
Confirmed. I have been experimenting myself. Indeed the sensisitivity ("gain") of 'delta file size' vs 'delta crf' can change a lot from source to source. I remember an example where a change in crf from 21.6 to 21.5 stepped up the file size unexpectedly, while for another source a change from 22 to 21 made the file size to increase by few % only.
That's why I think if any prediction method produces something like 80%+ of the target size in reasonable time, we should be happy.

[Sharc]

i suppose you are right man, i mean a movie wont be 100% of the time full action, so the bitrate required for every scene can change! so if the first minutes of the movie taken to stimate the bitrate or quality needed, have too many actions scenes, then later its a pretty "slow" movie without action scenes, the bitrate will be "low" and the final size will be small, but still the file will have good quality... am i right?
Yes, but the 5% of the movie which jdobbs uses as a sample are taken as snippets from the whole movie in order to get a good 'impression' of the character of the movie. This should avoid that just some action or static scenes dominate the crf estimtion. So that's not really an issue I assume. The problem is mainly the very complex and highly non-linear dependency of the file size on the crf (for a given set of encoding parameters)

[MikeyBK]

I haven't been able to use 0.25.01 because Avira is going absolutely ballistic detecting the TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen trojan, and although it is probably a false positive and poses low risk, it still contiuously comes up with the warning over and over again.... I can't set Avira to ignore it.

Any ideas JD? what could Avira be detecting as suspicious script over and over again?

[zeon]

amazing work jdobbs just like to say congrats 14hours down to 3-4 awesome piece of kit.

[daberti]

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Huge thanks :)

In the change log it is mentioned...
"Added a "HIGH-SPEED" option to the "SETTINGS/ENCODER
SETTINGS" menu. It is visible/recommended for BD-25
encoding only. The quality on BD-5/9 will suffer
greatly if this option is used (via hidden setting).
When used with one-pass CRF mode on BD-25 it can
result in a very fast yet excellent quality backup
of most discs."

Thus, if I understand well: it can be used with or without single pass encoding. Am I right?

[tekmobile]

Huge thanks :)

In the change log it is mentioned...
"Added a "HIGH-SPEED" option to the "SETTINGS/ENCODER
SETTINGS" menu. It is visible/recommended for BD-25
encoding only. The quality on BD-5/9 will suffer
greatly if this option is used (via hidden setting).
When used with one-pass CRF mode on BD-25 it can
result in a very fast yet excellent quality backup
of most discs."

Thus, if I understand well: it can be used with or without single pass encoding. Am I right?

Yes you can use it with or without

I still use the normal 2 pass at high quality

[Sharc]

On BD9 the Extras are encoded with crf in the range of 25 ... 30. While the picture quality is still quite ok for the Extras in my opinion, I noticed sometimes an annoying GOP pumping. It looks as if this pumping can be reduced by reducing ipratio and pbratio, like --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.2.
It's not a bug, but perhaps something to be considered for future BD-RB release. Maybe more tests are needed?

[daberti]

Yes you can use it with or without

I still use the normal 2 pass at high quality

Thanks. Then I could also use (via hidden option) on a 11GB film only backup at 720p, single pass, without any appreciable quality loss (taken normal double-pass 720p encoding as reference). I guess.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Although you've indicated nothing to the contrary regarding my two previous posts, I just thought I'd ask to make certain:

We ARE supposed to be able to use the "One-pass (Experimental") option for "movie-only", aren't we? Yes. It should work with movie-only.

[jdobbs]

On BD9 the Extras are encoded with crf in the range of 25 ... 30. While the picture quality is still quite ok for the Extras in my opinion, I noticed sometimes an annoying GOP pumping. It looks as if this pumping can be reduced by reducing ipratio and pbratio, like --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.2.
It's not a bug, but perhaps something to be considered for future BD-RB release. Maybe more tests are needed? Interesting. I notice that on a recently encoded disc too. A pulsing that matched the GOP timing. I wonder if some recent change in X264 brought that on. I hadn't noticed it before.