BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[tekmobile]

Ive been using BD-RB since the early 0.19.0x versions without any problems but the 2 latest discs i have tried both fail with the same error at the same point rebuilding the structure on 2 different computers with sufficiant free space

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[06:58:23] BD Rebuilder v0.20.05 (beta)
- Source: KINGDOM_OF_CRYSTAL_SKULL
- Input BD size: 39.54 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:02:32.386]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
[06:58:27] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [06:58:27] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00009]
- [08:15:31] Reencoding: VID_00009 (1 of 1)
[08:41:31]PHASE ONE complete
[08:41:31]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [08:41:31] Rebuilding BD file Structure
- [08:42:14] DoEncoding() 00005 3
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Any ideas ive tried everything i can think of

[PONIENTE]

Was that your problem

I´ve begun again the conversion. I´ll wait to know that is correct.

Thanks

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Hi!

Since my pre-BD_RB procedures are different than those of most members, I'll first describe them and will then describe the anomaly:

Procedures:

1) Rip the movie title only of a BluRay using "MakeMKV" (rather than "AnyDVD"). This results in a single .MKV representing the entire movie.

2) Use tsMuxer to convert the .MKV to a proper BluRay package, including chapter points set at every 5 minutes (I've used many versions, dating back to v.1.8.4 - and this has had no bearing on the problem)

3) Process the BluRay "package" with BD_RB (In addition to all of the requisite folders and files in the "package", the "Stream" folder contains only one .M2TS file - which is the movie only)

Problem:

1) If I select "Movie only" in BD-RB, chaptering behaves properly

2) If I select "Full movie" in BD_RB, ALL of the first 14 chapters point to the beginning of the movie! - And, as a totally unacceptable consequence, the chapter selection stops short of the end of the movie by (I believe) 70 minutes.

Additionally, when using software playback, seeking on the time line presents the same behavior.

3) On the other hand, if allowed to play from the start, without attempting to select chapters (or move along the time line), the movie will play properly, from start to finish.

Based on the above, I'm fairly certain that this anomalous behavior is the result of an inconsistency between the two BD_RB processing modes ("Full movie" and Movie only").

Please advise.

BTW - I'm fully aware that "Don't do that" is an easy solution, but I believe it may be important to get at the root cause of this behavior ;>}

[mouw]

2) If I select "Full movie" in BD_RB, ALL of the first 14 chapters point to the beginning of the movie! - And, as a totally unacceptable consequence, the chapter selection stops short of the end of the movie by (I believe) 70 minutes.

have u tried FixCLPI (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145092) on the BD_Rebuilder output??

[tekmobile]

Procedures:

1) Rip the movie title only of a BluRay using "MakeMKV" (rather than "AnyDVD"). This results in a single .MKV representing the entire movie.

2) Use tsMuxer to convert the .MKV to a proper BluRay package, including chapter points set at every 5 minutes (I've used many versions, dating back to v.1.8.4 - and this has had no bearing on the problem)

3) Process the BluRay "package" with BD_RB (In addition to all of the requisite folders and files in the "package", the "Stream" folder contains only one .M2TS file - which is the movie only)

Whats the point of doing things that way apart from having 5 min chapters opposed to letting BD-RB do either a Full or Movie ONLY backup that work

[setarip_old]

@tekmobile

Based on your partial quote of my post, I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking - nor does what you're asking appear to be a solution to the behavior I've described...

[setarip_old]

@mouw

Hi!have u tried FixCLPI on the BD_Rebuilder output??No I haven't - because I'm fairly certain that I'd read that, based on changes to BD_RB (and, I believe, tsMuxer), it was no longer relevant.

If I'm wrong about the change to BD-RB, please correct me ;>}

And again, I know how to avoid this problem (By simply select "Movie only" in BD_RB). Beta testing is intended to root out bugs in the program - and that is the sole purpose of my post ;>}

[tekmobile]

@tekmobile

Based on your partial quote of my post, I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking - nor does what you're asking appear to be a solution to the behavior I've described...

I quoted the wrong part


Procedures:

1) Rip the movie title only of a BluRay using "MakeMKV" (rather than "AnyDVD"). This results in a single .MKV representing the entire movie.

2) Use tsMuxer to convert the .MKV to a proper BluRay package, including chapter points set at every 5 minutes (I've used many versions, dating back to v.1.8.4 - and this has had no bearing on the problem)

3) Process the BluRay "package" with BD_RB (In addition to all of the requisite folders and files in the "package", the "Stream" folder contains only one .M2TS file - which is the movie only)


Do you have any reason for doing it this way because there are no issues if you use a direct BD rip and I believe the issue is arising from the extra processing by TsMuxer which is not needed

[ds9delta]

@mouw

Hi!No I haven't - because I'm fairly certain that I'd read that, based on changes to BD_RB (and, I believe, tsMuxer), it was no longer relevant.

If I'm wrong about the change to BD-RB, please correct me ;>}

And again, I know how to avoid this problem (By simply select "Movie only" in BD_RB). Beta testing is intended to root out bugs in the program - and that is the sole purpose of my post ;>}

BDRB Will NOT Work Correctly On Any Source Besides Blu-Ray (Sometimes HD-DVD) Becuase It Is NOT Designed To.. This Is An Old Argument Mentioned About 2 Months Ago I Believe jdobbs Stated That BDRB Is Designed As A BACK-UP TOOL ONLY Which Means You Are Expected To Own The Original Blu-Ray\HD-DVD (As The Case Maybe) And Using Anydvd Or Similar Converting The ORIGINAL M2TS Streams To A Movie Only Or Full Disc Back-up. I'm Sorry But What You Say In Regards To Input Of MKV Is NOT A Bug... We Are Working On This Project NOT To Support Illegal Downloads Etc... But To Back-Up What We Own. I Apologise If This Offends You That Is Not Intended It's Just That You Are One Of Many To Mention MKV. And Again My Apologies.

[Furiousflea]

BDRB Will NOT Work Correctly On Any Source Besides Blu-Ray (Sometimes HD-DVD) Becuase It Is NOT Designed To.. This Is An Old Argument Mentioned About 2 Months Ago I Believe jdobbs Stated That BDRB Is Designed As A BACK-UP TOOL ONLY Which Means You Are Expected To Own The Original Blu-Ray\HD-DVD (As The Case Maybe) And Using Anydvd Or Similar Converting The ORIGINAL M2TS Streams To A Movie Only Or Full Disc Back-up. I'm Sorry But What You Say In Regards To Input Of MKV Is NOT A Bug... We Are Working On This Project NOT To Support Illegal Downloads Etc... But To Back-Up What We Own. I Apologise If This Offends You That Is Not Intended It's Just That You Are One Of Many To Mention MKV. And Again My Apologies.

Was about to post that....minus the caps at the start of every word ;)

Forget the illegal download tomfoolery this guy is a doom9 veteran and doubt that he's up to that not that I judge on that sort of rubbish. But the point is that it COULD be tsmuxer at fault and at this stage jdobbs is looking more into problems from clean rips...

just my thoughts :o

[setarip_old]

@ds9delta

Please re-read my post carefully - the source material IS always an original BluRay disc (Starts with a BluRay disc, feeds BD_RB a valid BluRay disc "package") and works PERFECTLY under BD_RB (with the exception that I've posted about).

Forgive me for smiling, but I find it humorous that someone would be lecturing me about illegal downloads. If you familiarize yourself with my many posting at the Doom9 Forums (and elsewhere) , you'd become aware that I am one of the most vocal critics (sometimes to the dismay of mods) of illegal downloads ;>}

BTW - It sounds like you are not aware that there is a program NAMED "MakeMKV" that, in some ways, is similar to "AnyDVD" regarding ripping of ORIGINAL BluRays, HD-DVDs, and standard DVDs...

[setarip_old]

@tekmobile

Thanks for clarifying your question:Do you have any reason for doing it this wayYes - Because, for personal reasons, I choose not to purchase "AnyDVD"...

I believe the issue is arising from the extra processing by TsMuxer which is not neededI don't believe that's the cause of this behavior - Because as I said, using the identical procedures, it doesn't create any problem if I simply set BD_RB to "Movie only"

[kaiman]

Problem with Vicky Cristina Barcelona, i have made several movies but with this i have a problem, its a rare bluray because it features a PCM 3.0 soundtrack, its the only available sound, all went ok, but when i play the backup you cant hear the dialogue only the music and sound effects

Any ideas? Its the bluray from USA and i used v0.20.05 beta

[mouw]

@mouw

Hi!No I haven't - because I'm fairly certain that I'd read that, based on changes to BD_RB (and, I believe, tsMuxer), it was no longer relevant.
If I'm wrong about the change to BD-RB, please correct me ;>}

YES--- we both KNOW & READ what's supposed to BE
and i don't use FixCLIP anymore because of tsMuxeR v.35b
but then again U aren't doing things eXactly like the REST of us
which is Y i gave u the link.....CLIP files do affect CHAPTER jumps

try [COLOR="Red"]CLOWN's FixCLIP GUI (http://clownbd.techxt.com/Downloads/fixCLPI%20GUI%20v0.02b.exe)(only takes 10sec)

[Furiousflea]

Problem with Vicky Cristina Barcelona, i have made several movies but with this i have a problem, its a rare bluray because it features a PCM 3.0 soundtrack, its the only available sound, all went ok, but when i play the backup you cant hear the dialogue only the music and sound effects

Any ideas? Its the bluray from USA and i used v0.20.05 beta

BDRB is still encoding LPCM to AC3 even when you select to keep HD audio intact. I expect next release jdobbs will correct this.

It looks like BDRB doesn't support AC3 with 3 channels, I'm not even sure it is a valid audio type for AC3. So, it is encoding it as 2 channel stereo AC3, leaving out the centre audio track.

It's a simple fix and I'm sure jdobbs will see to it.

[datman]

Hi Guys,

I wanted to thank jdobbs for the new “keep HD audio” for BD-25 targets. It has worked pretty well. I have had some problems I will try to post them articulately. They may have nothing to do with the HD audio or BDRB.

I have had several audio sync problems, the audio lags behind by a few seconds. The titles I can think of are “Hunt for the red October”, “the secret life of bees”, both of these may be from bad discs or firmware updates and “Transformers”. I had to rip the secret life of bees on my other computer and my hunt for the red October would not rip at all. I originally archived it using tsmuxer off the disc. I got another copy and it is ripping right now. I have had a few discs that anydvd won’t rip and tsmuxer would.


I have also had a few gremlins where the video stopped somewhere during the film and the audio keeps going. These I have re-encoded the film again and it works. I have no info on why this happens or if it is from BDRB.

All my encodes are off fresh rips, except when it won’t rip then I use another tool to get it on the HDD.

I don’t think my logs are necessary as I’m just posting issues but can post them if needed.

[pan07]

BDRB is still encoding LPCM to AC3 even when you select to keep HD audio intact. I expect next release jdobbs will correct this.

It looks like BDRB doesn't support AC3 with 3 channels, I'm not even sure it is a valid audio type for AC3. So, it is encoding it as 2 channel stereo AC3, leaving out the centre audio track.

It's a simple fix and I'm sure jdobbs will see to it.

ffs how is jdobbs gonna fix lpcm please?this is a limitation of tsmuxer is it not?even someone of my very limited knowlege new this as soon as it was introduced to bdrebuider,please correct me if i am wrong

[Furiousflea]

ffs how is jdobbs gonna fix lpcm please?this is a limitation of tsmuxer is it not?even someone of my very limited knowlege new this as soon as it was introduced to bdrebuider,please correct me if i am wrong

lol, you are wrong ;) sortof.

with version 0.20.04 jdobbs added the option to keep HD audio but he hadn't actually tested it and although he'd done the code to keep the HD audio in the clipi\playlist files, he hadn't set BDRB to not encode all audio at the end of the video encoding. So you'd be left with AC3 audio no matter what\a corrupted encode etc. This was fixed for 0.20.04 but only for DTS-Master Audio, this was because the version of tsmuxer that is included is an old one that can't correctly mux TrueHD audio, This is correctable by swppaing the versions of tsmuxer with a new one.

The only problem left is with LPCM audio, it looks like jdobbs left LPCM audio the same as version 0.20.03, so it still re-encodes to AC3 at the end. I have no idea if the other clpi\playlist etc files are getting updated to reference the LPCM of they aren't being touched either as I haven't checked.

There could well be another issue AFTER he has changed the code to not re-encode the LPCM, I don't know but I do remember there being some problem importing wav files into TSmuxer.

I suspect there will be a 0.20.05 release that will support LPCM, we will find that the only change is the encoding of the LPCM not happening at the end and there will be a bug with tsmuxer not importing the audio correctly. I or someone else will post here to say as much and then by 0.20.06 it will be fixed. I believe someone has a tool that can be used to import wav audio properly into tsmuxer...saw it in someoens signature a few days ago...

...We don't know basically, what the score is but currently LPCM audio will NOT be retained no matter what you do and it's best to wait for jdobbs on this as he only added HD audio support a few days ago :)

Patience is a virtue :D

[Furiousflea]

Hi Guys,

I wanted to thank jdobbs for the new “keep HD audio” for BD-25 targets. It has worked pretty well. I have had some problems I will try to post them articulately. They may have nothing to do with the HD audio or BDRB.

I have had several audio sync problems, the audio lags behind by a few seconds. The titles I can think of are “Hunt for the red October”, “the secret life of bees”, both of these may be from bad discs or firmware updates and “Transformers”. I had to rip the secret life of bees on my other computer and my hunt for the red October would not rip at all. I originally archived it using tsmuxer off the disc. I got another copy and it is ripping right now. I have had a few discs that anydvd won’t rip and tsmuxer would.


I have also had a few gremlins where the video stopped somewhere during the film (it sounds like this is because you are making bad rips from your statement below) and the audio keeps going. These I have re-encoded the film again and it works. I have no info on why this happens or if it is from BDRB.

All my encodes are off fresh rips, except when it won’t rip then I use another tool to get it on the HDD. <-This makes no sense:scared:

I don’t think my logs are necessary as I’m just posting issues but can post them if needed.


There are some contradictions and oddities in your post, please explain? tsmuxer can't rip copy protected blurays...or any for that matter.???

[pan07]

i have replaced the txmuser flea and aware that the latest doesnt support lpcm how am i wrong,ihave succesfully backed up 5 blu-rays with true-hd and dtsmaster audio.
lpcm will not be corrected till tsmuxer supports it am i wrong?

[Furiousflea]

i have replaced the txmuser flea and aware that the latest doesnt support lpcm how am i wrong,ihave succesfully backed up 5 blu-rays with true-hd and dtsmaster audio.
lpcm will not be corrected till tsmuxer supports it am i wrong?

That's why I said "sortof" ;)

What I meant was that even if the tsmuxer included with BDRB does work. It still wouldn't be churning out LPCM discs because there are 2 problems. The first one being the code needed to properly process LPCM tracks isn't even correct.

I'm not too sure about the problem with tsmuxer and LPCM audio I'd only read it in a couple of posts, but you seem pretty sure of yourself so that's abit of a bummer :(

I wasn't critisizing you :) just making light of there being 2 problems in my usual childish manner...still a kid inside.:o

[Furiousflea]

i have replaced the txmuser flea and aware that the latest doesnt support lpcm how am i wrong,ihave succesfully backed up 5 blu-rays with true-hd and dtsmaster audio.
lpcm will not be corrected till tsmuxer supports it am i wrong?

Could this help with handling LPCM...

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=138417&highlight=lpcm

That was the thread I saw the other day that had me thinking.

[setarip_old]

@mouw

Although I appreciate your suggestion (and reasoning), I have no interest in repairing these specific files for, as I said in another post here:

I know how to avoid this problem (By simply select "Movie only" in BD_RB). Beta testing is intended to root out bugs in the program - and that is the sole purpose of my post ;>}

[datman]

There are some contradictions and oddities in your post, please explain? tsmuxer can't rip copy protected blurays...or any for that matter.???

Glad to hope I can word this correctly. I assume it is known that anydvd is also running. I have had some of my] movies that had glitches and some are known glitches I read others have had. Either with anydvd or their drives firmware. If anydvd won't rip to image because of a read error I try ripping to folder. If that won't work I run tsmuxer from the disc and for some reason that usually works and if that won't work I use tsremux. As a matter of fact before BDRB I never even ripped many movies I ran tsmuxer from the disc. All I ever want on my archive is the movie only. I don't care about all that other sh*t they put on there.

Funny my copy of red october fails at 7% done and the new copy fails at 94% I'm thinking my drive is failing or anydvd has a bug that was not a problem before. But other movies work fine

edit; I'm now running an old version of anydvd if that works than it's an anydvd bug if not it may be my drive

[datman]

Glad to hope I can word this correctly. I assume it is known that anydvd is also running. I have had some of my] movies that had glitches and some are known glitches I read others have had. Either with anydvd or their drives firmware. If anydvd won't rip to image because of a read error I try ripping to folder. If that won't work I run tsmuxer from the disc and for some reason that usually works and if that won't work I use tsremux. As a matter of fact before BDRB I never even ripped many movies I ran tsmuxer from the disc. All I ever want on my archive is the movie only. I don't care about all that other sh*t they put on there.

Funny my copy of red october fails at 7% done and the new copy fails at 94% I'm thinking my drive is failing or anydvd has a bug that was not a problem before. But other movies work fine

edit; I'm now running an old version of anydvd if that works than it's an anydvd bug if not it may be my drive


anyhow the issue at hand is why on some films even fresh rips the audio is out of sync and why myself and at least one other member has had these video stopping errors. That require another encode

[pan07]

no worries flea i come on here to learn ,just thought the lpcm bug was common knowlege and jdobbs stated any problems with hd audio was a limatation with ts muxer, so shouldnt be reported on here.

[Furiousflea]

Glad to hope I can word this correctly. I assume it is known that anydvd is also running. I have had some of my] movies that had glitches and some are known glitches I read others have had. Either with anydvd or their drives firmware. If anydvd won't rip to image because of a read error I try ripping to folder. If that won't work I run tsmuxer from the disc and for some reason that usually works and if that won't work I use tsremux. As a matter of fact before BDRB I never even ripped many movies I ran tsmuxer from the disc. All I ever want on my archive is the movie only. I don't care about all that other sh*t they put on there.

Funny my copy of red october fails at 7% done and the new copy fails at 94% I'm thinking my drive is failing or anydvd has a bug that was not a problem before. But other movies work fine

edit; I'm now running an old version of anydvd if that works than it's an anydvd bug if not it may be my drive

The trouble is that you shouldn't be getting these errors. To make sure it IS just a glitch (personally I don't think it is, I think there's something wrong on your end, but just to prove it).

1. Try leaving the LATEST version of AnyDVD HD running in the background, put the disc in the drive and let it read it etc. Until it stops flashing it's little "disc reading" bubble in the system tray. Then go into AnyDVD HD settings and make sure it hasn't encountered an error with the disc in the log for the drive.

2. Turn AnyDVD HD off and exit

3. Rip the disc with Imgburn, it will give you a warning but just ignore it.

4. Run "Verify" mode in imgburn using your disc image against the original disc to compare (this will test your computer memory, if there is a difference, you need new memory)

4. Install "Virtual CloneDrive" (free virtual drive software from slysoft)

5. Mount the image

6. Start AnyDVD HD again and rip from the VirtualCloneDrive to a folder.

7. WORK WITH THE OUTPUT FROM HERE


(I give you these steps because I suspect you have either dodgy discs, incompatibilty with protection not being stripped, faulty memory, or bad sectors on your hard drive).

I have NEVER had a problem with the kind of behaviour you are describing, in terms of just the ripping of the disc with AnyDVD HD if it is kept up to date. I have never had it full stop and I have ripped well over 70 discs.

What you are describing is classical..."something is wrong with something on your computer". Going the sneaky way around it to get an "OK" from the computer doesn't mean it is "OK".


Good luck :)

Do not work with Tsmuxer directly with your bluray drive using AnyDVD HD in the background
Do not work with ANYTHING AT ALL other than a RAW folder that has been ripped.

AnyDVD HD may make things "transparent" but it cannot make your copy protected bluray act 100% as a normal one, what you're doing is just inviting a problem.

[Furiousflea]

no worries flea i come on here to learn ,just thought the lpcm bug was common knowlege and jdobbs stated any problems with hd audio was a limatation with ts muxer, so shouldnt be reported on here.

Have a read back the last 5-10 pages of this thread and you'll see the level jdobbs is up against ;)

Thank god I'm not him!

[datman]

Good luck :)

.

Thanks for the encouragement and the little guide to test my system.

The weird thing is I have 2 computers with BD drives and both will not rip either copy of hunt for the red October but with secret life of bees the laptop worked
:confused:

[vcarter]

@jdobbs

with BD RB 0.20.05

in setup,because i wanted to keep dts i've only checked "do not convert dts to ac3".

i had this audio;DTS 1.5 mbps and now i got AC3 448 kbs

here's the ini

DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=1
AC3_640=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0

if i only got one audio track "do not convert dts to ac3" has priority on the other options, isn't it?

so if there's DTS_REENCODE=0,you can't also have AC3_REENCODE=1

if i got the solution,can i use the files in "workfiles"?

thanx

[deank]

1) Rip the movie title only of a BluRay using "MakeMKV" (rather than "AnyDVD"). This results in a single .MKV representing the entire movie.

2) Use tsMuxer to convert the .MKV to a proper BluRay package, including chapter points set at every 5 minutes (I've used many versions, dating back to v.1.8.4 - and this has had no bearing on the problem)

Problem:

1) If I select "Movie only" in BD-RB, chaptering behaves properly


If you use makeMKV then you get a movie-only MKV, right? No menu/extras...

The normal thing you would do is to use Movie-Only in BD-RB - and as it is expected - it works okay for you.

Why do you need the "Full backup" mode? It will make BD-RB do many other things that are not required (as searching for menus/extras/processing mpls/clpi files in other fashion...) which may not work in your case.

There is nothing that BD-RB will do in "Full backup mode" to improve your original 'movie-only' - there is nothing to improve.

Or may be I miss something.

Dean

edit: it is possible that BD-RB doesn't read the chapter marks from tsmuxer's output and it causes you to have 14 pointing to the beginning and other not following the movie at all.

edit2: Also be advised that in movie-only mode BD-RB creates AVCHD styled index.bdmv but in Full-mode it will keep your BD-styled tsmuxer's index.

[tekmobile]

Error during audio encoding using aften full CMD window output
Title was AC/DC - No Bull


C:\Users\Public\rbtest\BD_Rebuilder>"C:\Users\Public\rbtest\BD_Rebuilder\tools\w
avi.exe" "C:\USERS\PUBLIC\RBTEST\WORKFILES\AUD_00000_4352.AVS" - | "C:\Users\P
ublic\rbtest\BD_Rebuilder\tools\aften.exe" -v 1 -b 192 -readtoeof 1 - "C:\USERS\
PUBLIC\RBTEST\WORKFILES\AUD_00000_4352.AC3"

Aften: A/52 audio encoder
Version SVN
(c) 2006-2007 Justin Ruggles, Prakash Punnoor, et al.

Found PCM audio: 2 channels, 96000 Hz, 16 bits, 7414.415000 seconds.
Writing WAV file...
input format: Microsoft WAVE Signed 16-bit little-endian 96000 Hz stereo
output format: 96000 Hz stereo (2/0)

invalid sample rate
error initializing encoder
Error: Could not write to the standard output.


I suspect this to be due to the 96K sample rate

[dtshdma]

Not doing too well today. I have done The Devil Wears Prada and everything was fine and I burned a bd-9. I played it on a standalone and thought I might have a disc fault as about half way throught the film the pictures freezes but the audio continues. I checked the image on the hard disc and that was the same, but as expected the original and rip were fine. Me too.The same error exactly. I don't remember what version I used, 0203 probably, but I'm not sure. I'll retry with the latest beta.

I have same problem......BD-RB version is 20.05.
Please help us!!!!!!!!!!!! What`s wrong???

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!Why do you need the "Full backup" mode?I don't NEED the full backup mode.

As I've posted several times in this thread, I have become aware of the differing playback behavior (regarding chapters and timeline) resulting from using the two different compression modes on the same source material - and consider to to be a bug, so I am reporting this anomalous/inconsistent behavior to "jdobbs".

edit2: Also be advised that in movie-only mode BD-RB creates AVCHD styled index.bdmv but in Full-mode it will keep your BD-styled tsmuxer's index.Perhaps this is the reason for the differing results. However, my question (perhaps a bit naive) would then be - Why would it be necessary to deal with chaptering in the different ways for the two different modes, as you've suggested?

[Furiousflea]

Bad news to report here....

I assumed wrongly that the full disc backups I had done, only removing foreign audio tracks would play without problems but it looks like there's some incorrect mapping of channels going on using 0.20.05.

300 - Plays fine with proper main audio. But If I select commentry I get "english audio descritive", but if you select "english audio descriptive" you get the proper main TrueHD track.

Godfather Part III - Plays the commentry track when you first play the film, if you select the commentry track you then get the TrueHD english track so they are incorrectly swapped. You also then miss the forced subtitles so you can't enjoy the film because if you get the commentry subtitles with the TrueHD track.

Resident Evil Extinction - Plays the main TrueHD track fine, but when you select the commentry you get the "english audio descriptive" track. If you select the "english audio descritive" track you get the main TrueHD track (commentry is unselectable)

Incorrect mapping of channels for about 1\3 of discs :(


This was out of 9 BD-Rs I burnt. The rest play perfectly with all tracks and menu selections correct...

Iron Man
Rent
Bladerunner
Godfather Part I
Quantum Of Solace
28 Weeks Later

All worked perfectly.


EDIT

I have editited this because I mentioned that DTSMA was playing as DTS but it actually isn't.

...Sorry for the confusion, me being the douchebag that I am. I'd selected "mix" instead of "direct" in my settings for my bluray player, for some reason this has the effect of causing DTSMA to output as DTS. It has no effect on TrueHD though...Strangely. (Sony BDP-S550)


The swapping of enabled streams seems abit weird though and definately a bug

[Furiousflea]

@deank

Hi!I don't NEED the full backup mode.

As I've posted several times in this thread, I have become aware of the differing playback behavior (regarding chapters and timeline) resulting from using the two different compression modes on the same source material - and consider to to be a bug, so I am reporting this anomalous/inconsistent behavior to "jdobbs".

Perhaps this is the reason for the differing results. However, my question (perhaps a bit naive) would then be - Why would it be necessary to deal with chaptering in the different ways for the two different modes, as you've suggested?

Come to think of it I had a similar problem where if I had a "movie only" that is to say there was only 1 m2ts that I had created using tsmuxer containing the main movie. If I selected full disc mode I would get weird things going on...trouble is it was a while ago and I can't remember exactly what went wrong.

But it can't really be considered a bug if it only happens if you have a movie only in the first place. Maybe its normal, until it actually causes a problem for a full disc it's surely irrelevent?

[setarip_old]

@Furiousflea

Hi!Maybe its normal, until it actually causes a problem for a full disc it's surely irrelevent?It's not irrelevant that a program allows you to do something that yields flawed results.

In this instance, we are referring to only two possible choices ("Movie only" or "Full disc"). I'm fairly certain that it would be a trivial thing for "jdobbs" to add a check to see if all requisite files/folders for a true "Full disc" are present in the source material - and generate an informational error message, requiring the user to select the proper mode...

[datman]

Not doing too well today. I have done The Devil Wears Prada and everything was fine and I burned a bd-9. I played it on a standalone and thought I might have a disc fault as about half way throught the film the pictures freezes but the audio continues. I checked the image on the hard disc and that was the same, but as expected the original and rip were fine.

I have same problem......BD-RB version is 20.05.
Please help us!!!!!!!!!!!! What`s wrong???

this is one of the problems I have had. I am not burning to a disc at all (yet) but when I played from folder with pdvd 3319a on a few encodes at some point the picture freezes and the audio keeps going. This is a gremlin and when I re-encoded again it worked fine. I have noticed that on the failed encodes the speed became much faster during the encode. So if normally it takes 8 hours and you get one done in less than 6 it may be because of this error and perhaps the video freezing accouts for the increase in speed.

[DaMacFunkin]

where is the option that changes the minimum file size of which files are encoded, or do you have to add it in the ini, and if so what is the correct string?

[deank]

...my question ... would then be - Why would it be necessary to deal with chaptering in the different ways for the two different modes, as you've suggested?

I guess with movie-only BD-RB tells tsmuxer to create chapters (at 5mins points) and in Full-backup BD-RB tries to find the original ones from mpls files and recreate them in the final output (where may the problem lie - as a small bug :) ). It is strange that no one else reported such issue or people simply don't use chapters ;)

[tekmobile]

where is the option that changes the minimum file size of which files are encoded, or do you have to add it in the ini, and if so what is the correct string?

You have to add it yourself

MIN_M2TS_SIZE=300

just change the number to one that you want for example the one above would be 300MB

[mhammer]

I can confirm that you have to disable 24p playback on the Panasonic DMP-BD35 to successfully play a movie only BD-25 done with BD-RB. With 24p there is only sound and no picture.
(Using newest Tsmuxer and BD-RB)

Are there any solutions?

[tekmobile]

I guess with movie-only BD-RB tells tsmuxer to create chapters (at 5mins points) and in Full-backup BD-RB tries to find the original ones from mpls files and recreate them in the final output (where may the problem lie - as a small bug :) ). It is strange that no one else reported such issue or people simply don't use chapters ;)

I believe that BD-RB uses the same chaptering technique for both modes by getting them from the origanal MPLS

[deank]

Well, I believe not, but it's jdobbs that will tell us for sure. I somehow doubt that he keeps chapters from the original movies in movie-only mode, but I may be wrong. When he comes back, he'll let us know.

@setarip_old:
It's strange to put jdobbs's name in quotes. Also - a properly set input should NOT require SPECIAL recognition as "movie only" or "full" - it is simply impossible... One m2ts or not - it doesn't make a source suitable for movie-only!

I believe that there is something wrong with tsmuxer's output you used for "full backup" input and I won't blame BD-RB for that.

[Furiousflea]

What are people doing for movies with more than 1 m2ts for the main feature...Or multiple (e.g films like Wall-E)?

Since BDRB is reducing the bitrate for all m2ts other than the largets, unless the other m2ts are also very large. In the case of Wall-E this will force a lower bitrate for all m2ts except the largest, since it has LOADS of m2ts that make up the main move and not just 2 as is the case with many blurays.

Also, is seemless branching working? For titles like King Kong Directors cut etc.

Many thanx :)

[Capsbackup]

BD-RB does keep the original chapters from the movie in "movie only" mode, I can confirm to the several I have made, burned and tested. I have noticed that they don't seem to be exactly timed properly on playback with powerdvd, but start slightly before the perhaps correct point.( a short glimpse of the scene before the chapter change). I just figured this was powerdvd though, since I don't believe I noticed this on my Sony BDP-BX1. But I can't remember ever checking this that closely on the Sony, since it was close enough I guess, and I don't really jump thru chapters anyway.

[tekmobile]

What are people doing for movies with more than 1 m2ts for the main feature...Or multiple (e.g films like Wall-E)?

Since BDRB is reducing the bitrate for all m2ts other than the largets, unless the other m2ts are also very large. In the case of Wall-E this will force a lower bitrate for all m2ts except the largest, since it has LOADS of m2ts that make up the main move and not just 2 as is the case with many blurays.

Also, is seemless branching working? For titles like King Kong Directors cut etc.

Many thanx :)


I think BD-RB processes every m2ts in the main mpls the same regardless of its size even if its below the the MIN_M2TS value ill have to check up on it I dont have WALL-E to try that title though

[Furiousflea]

I think BD-RB processes every m2ts in the main mpls the same regardless of its size even if its below the the MIN_M2TS value ill have to check up on it I dont have WALL-E to try that title though

Don't think it does, dunno if you remember but couple of days ago you answered a question of mine where I was doing the bluray "Rent" where some m2ts were under a certain size and not being encoded wheras some were (they belonged to the same mpls).

Having said that, they belonged to more than one mpls. Their own individual one and a "play all". They would have played fine on their own but not if you selected the "play all" option.

?

Cheers :)

[deank]

What are people doing for movies with more than 1 m2ts for the main feature...
@Furiousflea: Well... I'd say this is one of the weirdest messages you posted for the last month... :D Either my english needs some schooling :) or you're saying and asking something that I can't figure out :)

[tekmobile]

Don't think it does, dunno if you remember but couple of days ago you answered a question of mine where I was doing the bluray "Rent" where some m2ts were under a certain size and not being encoded wheras some were (they belonged to the same mpls).

Having said that, they belonged to more than one mpls. Their own individual one and a "play all". They would have played fine on their own but not if you selected the "play all" option.

?

Cheers :)

Yes I remember but them files on rent were in the extras which I dont think it does MPLS checking which can be concidered a bug.
I was just refering to the main movie MPLS as in seamless branched discs where I think it does MPLS checking