BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[tebasuna51]

I don't think I understand the issue with the post.... why was it hidden, and why would it require approval?
Read this https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=183045 or https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=183047

[CraigWally]

OK here's an issue I would like some help with
I have a Blu-Ray (30GB) with 4 audio tracks (all Eng) : Music
192-24 PCM Stereo
48-24 PCM Stereo
192-24 DTS HD-MA 5.1
48-24 Dolby Atmos
Now if I choose to keep HD Audio, it can't shrink enough to fit a BD25
If I re-encode to AC3 I get a 8GB disc
What I would like to do is some where inbetween, say, keep 1 of the HD tracks and re-encode the other 3
How would I go about this?
TIA

Wally

[SeeMoreDigital]

OK here's an issue I would like some help with
I have a Blu-Ray (30GB) with 4 audio tracks (all Eng) : Music
192-24 PCM Stereo
48-24 PCM Stereo
192-24 DTS HD-MA 5.1
48-24 Dolby Atmos
Now if I choose to keep HD Audio, it can't shrink enough to fit a BD25
If I re-encode to AC3 I get a 8GB disc
What I would like to do is some where inbetween, say, keep 1 of the HD tracks and re-encode the other 3
How would I go about this?
TIA

Wally
Out of interest...What disc is this?

[CraigWally]

Out of interest...What disc is this?

John Lennon Plastic Ono Band

[musiclover]

@CraigWally
If you delete the 48-24 PCM Stereo stream it all will fit on a 25GB disc. This stream has little value anyway when you also have the 192-24 PCM Stereo stream.

[SeeMoreDigital]

John Lennon Plastic Ono Band
Hmmm... I don't think I have any Blu-ray audio discs with multi-channel DTS-HD MA audio encoded at 192KHz/24-bit. I do have some encoded with Dolby TrueHD and PCM though...

[CraigWally]

@CraigWally
If you delete the 48-24 PCM Stereo stream it all will fit on a 25GB disc. This stream has little value anyway when you also have the 192-24 PCM Stereo stream.

Thanks - that worked

[user404]

Thanks jdobbs,

So I tried the link. I used the 32 bit version of nvencc. No joy, same error. I took the nvencc version from 61.21, and put it in the 61.22 folder, and it works.

So, I'm guessing that those of us using windows 8.1, are pretty much out of luck on this?

What are my options really?

My daily driver is fedora linux, but I did compile ffmpeg a few years ago to be able to take advantage of some features I wanted specifically for my htpc, but I don't have that VM that I used to cross compile any longer.

I guess another option is to use the older version of nvencc, but the encode seemed to have some artifact issues compared to the cpu encode I did of the same movie.

Lastly, I suppose, I would be forced to use the cpu for encoding otherwise right?

Anything I'm not looking at? Any options I'm not seeing? I suppose I could ask on github, but honestly, most devs now are into removing support of older systems, for a myriad of reasons.

Thanks again, and hopefully the admins get this posting thing resolved so I don't have to go through the approval process to post anything any longer.

Lastly, I suppose, I would be forced to use the cpu for encoding otherwise right?

Anything I'm not looking at? Any options I'm not seeing? I suppose I could ask on github


Well... NVENCC was updated to version 5.20 in that release, so I guess there could be some compile issue (although I haven't had any other reports of issues). In looking up the reported error, this is what I got:cudaErrorUnsupportedPtxVersion = 222

This indicates that the provided PTX was compiled with an
unsupported toolchain. The most common reason for this, is
the PTX was generated by a compiler newer than what is
supported by the CUDA driver and PTX JIT compiler.

There have been updates to NVENCC since then. As a test, I'd recommend user404 try downloading the newest NVENCC version from this link. (https://github.com/rigaya/NVEnc/releases/tag/5.35) But be warned, I haven't tested that release.

I don't think I understand the issue with the post.... why was it hidden, and why would it require approval?

[user404]

Good news,
I realized although it isn't listed, the windows 7 and windows 8 driver for the 1660 are essentially the same. Although Windows update won't go past a really old version for 8.1, you can manually update. Of course I'm still stuck on API 11 though, but it is something. So now, I have nvidia 471 driver installed.

After I updated, I reran 61.22 with the latest nvencc (the one provided on the link since it was already in place). This failed, but I got a different and strange error. So, I looked up and ran the last command. After playing around a bit, I discovered that if I removed --avs, it not only ran, but it was smoking my GPU, pegging it at 90% for a majority of the encode while leaving my cpu pretty low, between 15 and 30% usage.

I went back to playing with the BDRB settings. Once I unselect "use X264's internal LAVF for frame serving" and choose "Use directShowSource for frameserving" it worked, BDRB 61.22 would correctly run and status. The backup started and completed.

However, After seeing how when I run it manually, it pegs my GPU to >90%, I don't think this was correctly using my GPU. In fact, most of the time running from the BDRB GUI the CPU was pegged at 100% and my GPU was around 30-40%.

I then went back to the original nvencc and files that go with 61.22 natively, and everything was the same. As long as my decoding frame server stayed on DirectShowSource it worked fine. However, the CPU usage was high for the entire encode, and GPU usage was very low, so I'm wondering if it is actually using my GPU. Plus, to be honest, on the encodes I was doing previously, I had a lot of artifacts while using "nvencc" on v61.21. The newest one looked really good, which makes me believe it might be doing a CPU encode.
Anyone have any ideas?

[jdobbs]

@user404

When encoding, there are times when you have to use AVISYNTH to modify the source in order to make it compliant (--avs). There are also some settings available in SETUP that require it. When I implemented NVENCC I added checks so that whenever possible it would use the GPU to perform those functions (eliminating the AVISYNTH requirement). But AVISYNTH is very powerful, and sometimes there is no choice except to use it (performing functions that aren't available on the GPU). When that is the case, you'll see the GPU usage drop and the CPU usage go up.

If I read your posts correctly, it looks like you're running BD-RB on a VM under Linux, is that right? If so, I have to say that running software that works closely with hardware (like NVENCC) can run into issues when implemented on a virtual machine. That makes compatibility a little hard to ensure, and very difficult to debug. You never know when an issue is related to the software or the VM environment. If you're not running it on a VM, then ignore this paragraph.

[musiclover]

I think I remember a time when right clicking on a subtitle in the stream window of BDRB would turn the subtitle ON by default. Is it correct to assume that this function has been removed? I, for one, am not able to get it working.

[Lowpro]

I think I remember a time when right clicking on a subtitle in the stream window of BDRB would turn the subtitle ON by default. Is it correct to assume that this function has been removed? I, for one, am not able to get it working.I remember a time when this was possible as well. I'm thinking that perhaps the feature is only available under certain conditions. Not sure. That being said, I just use BDedit after the fact to turn a given subtitle on by default if need be. I also have a nifty little program I downloaded called "Set Default BD Tracks" which works with "movie only" streams created via tsMuxer. It provides for setting the default audio track and default subtitle track including whether you want the given title to play once or play repeatedly.

[user404]

I'm running BDRB on windows 8.1 not in/on a VM.

I have a gigabyte motherboard, the GEFORCE1660, and an i5 chip. This is setup as a HTPC however, the case is relatively small so the cooling isn't very good. Primarily because everything is so tight, I bought the 1660 to offload all the heavy lifting from the CPU to the GPU which I've got liquid cooled and when I use the GPU for tasks, it generally keeps the heat down more than when I use the CPU. It has kept the heat low for things like Plex, Jellyfin and xsplit/twitch.

My workstation and my laptop are both linux, thats what I use at work so I'm most familiar with it. I do run VM's in the workstation, maybe the confusion is that I said I have cross compiled software, in particular ffmpeg and a few others on a Linux VM for my windows 8.1 HTPC. I did this specifically because many devs are leaving behind win 7/8 in favor of only toolchains or compilers that work on Win10.



@user404

When encoding, there are times when you have to use AVISYNTH to modify the source in order to make it compliant (--avs). There are also some settings available in SETUP that require it. When I implemented NVENCC I added checks so that whenever possible it would use the GPU to perform those functions (eliminating the AVISYNTH requirement). But AVISYNTH is very powerful, and sometimes there is no choice except to use it (performing functions that aren't available on the GPU). When that is the case, you'll see the GPU usage drop and the CPU usage go up.

If I read your posts correctly, it looks like you're running BD-RB on a VM under Linux, is that right? If so, I have to say that running software that works closely with hardware (like NVENCC) can run into issues when implemented on a virtual machine. That makes compatibility a little hard to ensure, and very difficult to debug. You never know when an issue is related to the software or the VM environment. If you're not running it on a VM, then ignore this paragraph.

[DoctorM]

I think I remember a time when right clicking on a subtitle in the stream window of BDRB would turn the subtitle ON by default. Is it correct to assume that this function has been removed? I, for one, am not able to get it working.

You might be thinking of DVD Rebuilder.

[jdobbs]

I think I remember a time when right clicking on a subtitle in the stream window of BDRB would turn the subtitle ON by default. Is it correct to assume that this function has been removed? I, for one, am not able to get it working.I just tried it. Before you start your job you right-click on a subtitle in the stream list and a popup menu appears. You then select "Turn subtitle on". After you do so, "[TURNED ON]" will appear next to the subtitle in the list.

But it is transient. If you exit BD-RB and reopen it -- you will have to select it again. On the other hand, turning it on and adding it to the BATCH list will hold the setting.

Did the popup menu not appear when you tried it?

[musiclover]

@jdobbs
I tried it on different blu-rays but the popup menu does not appear. Will I have to make changes to the ini file?

Edit
Oh, I see now. It only works in movie-only mode. And I wanted to use it for a series blu-ray in full-backup mode.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
I tried it on different blu-rays but the popup menu does not appear. Will I have to make changes to the ini file?

Edit
Oh, I see now. It only works in movie-only mode. And I wanted to use it for a series blu-ray in full-backup mode.Yeah, I should have mentioned that. You can't do it on a full backup because it would require BD-RB to modify the code of the original. Interpreting the code stream, following all the alternative paths, and making modifications to each would be a pretty significant programming project.

[Lowpro]

On a related note...
If you turn a subtitle track on by default using BDedit keep in mind that if multiple playlists are involved that change may carry over to the next playlist when playing the resulting Blu-ray. As such, you may need to update each playlist telling each whether you want a subtitle track turned on by default or not. At least that's what I've observed anyway. An example of this would be a TV series authored to Blu-ray where only certain episodes contain forced subtitles, the forced subtitles in each case being their own subtitle track. If you only want those subtitle tracks turned on by default you also need to set the playlists without a forced subtitle track to not have any subtitle tracks turned on by default.

[musiclover]

On a related note...
If you turn a subtitle track on by default using BDedit keep in mind that if multiple playlists are involved that change may carry over to the next playlist when playing the resulting Blu-ray. As such, you may need to update each playlist telling each whether you want a subtitle track turned on by default or not. At least that's what I've observed anyway. An example of this would be a TV series authored to Blu-ray where only certain episodes contain forced subtitles, the forced subtitles in each case being their own subtitle track. If you only want those subtitle tracks turned on by default you also need to set the playlists without a forced subtitle track to not have any subtitle tracks turned on by default.
Is there a manual for turning subtitles on by default in the playlists using BDedit?

[gonca]

Do Quick_Play menus work with hevc, or am I messing up again?

[Lowpro]

Is there a manual for turning subtitles on by default in the playlists using BDedit?I worked up a quick tutorial here (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1948959#post1948959). Enjoy!

[musiclover]

I worked up a quick tutorial here (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1948959#post1948959). Enjoy!

Thank you Lowpro, that was very illuminating.
It's a shame there are not more of these manuals for BDedit. I find it a very difficult program to use and understand.

[jdobbs]

Do Quick_Play menus work with hevc, or am I messing up again?Yes. The menu itself is not HEVC, but it works with HEVC content.

[gonca]

Works fine
The software player seems to have issues but a burnt disc worked flawlessly

[Lowpro]

Works fine
The software player seems to have issues but a burnt disc worked flawlesslyNot sure what you are encountering with your software based Blu-ray player, but at times with PowerDVD 18 I'm not able to navigate a given Blu-ray menu with my keyboard initially and it's not specific to QP menus. It happens with retail Blu-ray's as well. Minimizing PowerDVD, then maximizing it again always resolves the issue.

[Lathe]

Oooooookay... well, I guess I need to make another $100 donation or something in order to get my question answered...

[Lowpro]

Oooooookay... well, I guess I need to make another $100 donation or something in order to get my question answered...I accept Paypal. Once the funds clear I'll answer your question. Thanks!

[abogard]

Hello. I have a disc that comes with the theatrical version and the director's cut of a movie; however when I try to re-encode to a BD25 I only get the theatrical version files to show for re-encoding. There is a different playlist for each version and each of them has a set of different m2ts files to accomplish their goal, however BDRB is not displaying the files of the second playlist (director's cut) and they are not being processed. Since some of the files are shared between versions and I like to remove HD audio the result is a movie that suddenly skips sound because it changes from regular DTS to DTS-MA and then back. I really don't know if I made sense, but if I did I'd really appreciate any help. By the way I do have the MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0 and MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 settings on.

[spotswood]

Hello. I have a disc that comes with the theatrical version and the director's cut of a movie; however when I try to re-encode to a BD25 I only get the theatrical version files to show for re-encoding. There is a different playlist for each version and each of them has a set of different m2ts files to accomplish their goal, however BDRB is not displaying the files of the second playlist (director's cut) and they are not being processed. Since some of the files are shared between versions and I like to remove HD audio the result is a movie that suddenly skips sound because it changes from regular DTS to DTS-MA and then back. I really don't know if I made sense, but if I did I'd really appreciate any help. By the way I do have the MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0 and MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 settings on.Are you doing a full disc or movie-only backup? If movie-only choose Mode from the top menu and then "Other Movie-Only Playlist". The Directors cut should be the longer playlist, choose that one. BDRB should then show and process only that playlist. I do this all the time and it works great. Good luck!

[spotswood]

I think I remember a time when right clicking on a subtitle in the stream window of BDRB would turn the subtitle ON by default. Is it correct to assume that this function has been removed? I, for one, am not able to get it working.You can also do this with MKVToolNix @ https://www.fosshub.com/MKVToolNix.html. Once you have your movie loaded you can highlight each subtitle track and then flag each as either default, forced, hearing impaired, commentary track etc. Works great. This of course implies you are backing up to .mkv. Have fun!

[abogard]

Are you doing a full disc or movie-only backup? If movie-only choose Mode from the top menu and then "Other Movie-Only Playlist". The Directors cut should be the longer playlist, choose that one. BDRB should then show and process only that playlist. I do this all the time and it works great. Good luck!

Thank you. Yes, the problem is that I want a Full Disc backup. I did find that option you're talking about but it only works with movie-only.

By the way, I don't know if anybody knew but DGDecNV is now free to use, all DRM has been removed. Just in case somebody didn't know.

[musiclover]

By the way, I don't know if anybody knew but DGDecNV is now free to use, all DRM has been removed. Just in case somebody didn't know.

Maybe jdobbs can bundle DGDecNV with BD Rebuilder.

[Lathe]

I accept Paypal. Once the funds clear I'll answer your question. Thanks!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLW47a84nAl-5BvQPE0GyHfHSoYrP2lNiqDmOoDugv07yqaUjA2TeiCwyWpv43ane83ZgYw54H0jJPX6VzsizhWjaBpiFop17NMR6PwcfOm7XwAh4Z5iXfooufIZqB6NIil05NRvkOx3zzbvih2zbCvHoA=s18-no?authuser=0

[DoctorM]

Thank you. Yes, the problem is that I want a Full Disc backup. I did find that option you're talking about but it only works with movie-only.

By the way, I don't know if anybody knew but DGDecNV is now free to use, all DRM has been removed. Just in case somebody didn't know.

Didn't know that. Thanks. Still need to use the x32 version with BD-RB though, right? In my experience X264's internal server was faster because it uses an x64 pipe.

[MrVideo]

Yes. The menu itself is not HEVC, but it works with HEVC content.
If I am reading this correctly, when building your own UHD BD discs, the menu backgrounds are still 1080p and not 2160p.

If that is the case, that will cause an issue with many displays/projectors. The projector that I have will upconvert all 1080p video (non-3D) to 2160p. There is a time delay associated with doing that when coming from 1080p source or going back to 1080p source.

The 4K UHD BD player that I have can be set to upconvert all video (non 3D) to 2160p. At this point in time, I do not know what the delay is going back and forth between 1080p and 2160p.

What I am trying to hint at is that it would be great if the menus are also 2160p, On the list of things to do?

[MrVideo]

Added feature suggestion.

In a nutshell: The ability to save the Quick-Play Menu Title Editor information.

Many a time I've had to redo a disc as I'm testing things out or just plain screwed up. That means redoing the job from scratch. Frankly, it sucks.

By adding an option on that dialog screen to save the contents so that it can be reloaded, would be perfect. The info can be saved in the same EPR file format. That way, after BDRB is started, the open project option would load and because it had play menu info, it would go directly to that dialog box. There would be a new option on the dialog that would allow for adding additional file(s).

If a user wanted a clean slate, after initially setting up a project, before any files are imported, the project can be saved with a name that indicated that it was a template.

Thanks for considering this improvement.

[jdobbs]

Oooooookay... well, I guess I need to make another $100 donation or something in order to get my question answered...What question is that?

[videoh]

What question is that? This one?

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1948032#post1948032

[jdobbs]

Okay, now that the compulsive silliness is outta the way... :)

I am currently reencoding a Blu-ray that is about 31 Gigs. Since it is a bit bigger than most, I'm using Default 2 Pass with some x264 tweaks that I normally use in a case like this.

Since you, JD, had said that the difference in the x264-64.exe and the x264L-64.exe is the non 'L' is the current version or an updated version that will run better with the DirectShow frame server as opposed to the internal LAV one. So, I switched to using the DirectShow figuring I'm using the newest, fasted version of x264, right?

However, I checked my TM during the first pass, and it is showing just the x264.exe being used and NOT the x264-64.exe...??? Why? I am not currently using any Avisynth. Why is BDRB using the NON-64 version?

Thanks!If you have selected DirectShowSource as your frame server... you are using AVISYNTH. That is unless you are using NVENC... but under certain circumstances even that uses AVISYNTH.

When you run the job, look at LASTCMD.TXT in the BD-RB folder. It will show you the exact command line used for the last encode.

[MrVideo]

DD+ is allowed on Blu-ray discs:

https://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/dolby-digital-plus-faq.pdf

https://professional.dolby.com/globalassets/dolby-digital-plus/dolby-digital-plus-audio-coding-tech-paper.pdf

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/home-video-blu-ray-disc-players-recorders/bdp-bx2/articles/00029663

Since DD+ has a DD AC-3 core, it passes the audio requirement, like Dolby TrueHD, which has an AC-3 core.

Am I missing something or is something being left out in these papers?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Since DD+ has a DD AC-3 core, it passes the audio requirement, like Dolby TrueHD, which has an AC-3 core.

DD+ with an AC3 core is a mandatory requirement for Blu-ray spec compliant muxes. But it's not mandatory for HD DVD disc spec muxes or for DVB-T/S/C broadcasting.

EDIT: Currently (as far as I know), no 'freeware' encoder is able to generate DD+ audio streams with an AC3 core - not even an empty core...

[MrVideo]

Well, that takes care of that.

[Richard1485]

EDIT: Currently (as far as I know), no 'freeware' encoder is able to generate DD+ audio streams with an AC3 core - not even an empty core...
What's interesting is that if you encode to eac3@640kbps with a recent build of ffmpeg (for example, the one from Hybrid), tsMuxeR reads the result as Bitrate: 640Kbps core 0Kbps and will mux it to a BD structure, which plays in mpv. (You can even demux the stream with the "Downconvert E-AC3 to AC3" option, though the resulting file is, of course, empty.) But the BD structure doesn't have a playlist, because the stream isn't technically BD compliant. Maybe it's possible to make a playlist that will fool a stand-alone player.

[raul124]

One question, a while back before UHD-Rebuilder. I was able to take a Bluray disk and turn it into a regular DVD-5 with BD-rebuilder to play it in my car video console. Does anyone remember the process to accomplish this?

[Sharc]

One question, a while back before UHD-Rebuilder. I was able to take a Bluray disk and turn it into a regular DVD-5 with BD-rebuilder to play it in my car video console. Does anyone remember the process to accomplish this?
Long time ago.... hard to remember, but try
Mode->Movie-Only backup->Alternate Movie-Only Output->DVD-5 (first item in the list)

I didn't really try though.

[jdobbs]

Long time ago.... hard to remember, but try
Mode->Movie-Only backup->Alternate Movie-Only Output->DVD-5 (first item in the list)

I didn't really try though.Yep. Exactly how you do it.

[MrVideo]

Full Backup mode set, but it seems to have done movie-only backup.

I set BDRB to do a full backup of a UHD disc, only keeping the ENG audio and sub-titles, but that isn't what happened. There are 91 M2TS files, yet only the movie M2TS was there in the backup. No menu file, none of the support M2TS files, etc.

Is there something that I set wrong?

Edit: Oh, and when I import the BD, it brings up the Quick Play menu editor.
Also, in case it helps with debugging, I renamed the INI file because I modified it for doing Blu-ray building of individual files. So, when BDRB was started, a new INI was created. I then reset some paths and selected NVENC for encoding.

Edit2: I take that back, it seems to be Quick Play mode.

[BuddTX]

Hi JDobbs and everyone!

I have a question, while I wait for the Nvidia GeForce RTX 30 series to become available again, and affordable, I have a GTX 1050 TI, that does not support "B-Frames".

Is there any function within BDRebuilder that could somehow "make up" for not supporting B-Frames?

Maybe like forcing a two pass scan or something similar. I seem to have good results with NVENC encoding, I make sure I am using recent NVidia drivers, and a recent version of the NVEncC.exe executable.

Of course I am not asking to somehow magically enable a function that my hardware is unable to do. I am asking what options I might be able to enable within BDRebuilder to make sure that my quality is as good and as small as it can be, at a given CQM, with my current graphics card.

Thank you Jdobbs and everyone for giving my question some attention!

[Lathe]

This one?

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1948032#post1948032

Thank you kindly mate https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUdo7LZu3joap0i76EqB-JBZx9J7tKHX8g0VtQx7afIZ_ZVcwwkpcZenPCEueF0NWy9JC6lEyAVZBKSKupEWHWAttAJ6TDqtIturTeXPU1WPkYteWaf6sgDQ3UG-AeE3dmenjXsR7PQhITRFvSwiAnZsA=w25-h28-no?authuser=0

[Lathe]

If you have selected DirectShowSource as your frame server... you are using AVISYNTH. That is unless you are using NVENC... but under certain circumstances even that uses AVISYNTH.

When you run the job, look at LASTCMD.TXT in the BD-RB folder. It will show you the exact command line used for the last encode.

Thanks.

So, it looks like my choices are either to use DirectShow and it uses the more recent but NON-64 .exe, or I select internal LAV and that uses the really old L64 .exe. I guess that's it... I wonder which one's faster...