BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Video Dude]

Yes, is there any update on this please?
I went back in this thread and found this post.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1789021#post1789021

[Lathe]

I went back in this thread and found this post.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1789021#post1789021

Thanks mate! I remember reading that; I was just wondering since JD seemed to be continuing to use the x254L.exe in the new builds, if there was any current update on this issue.

[MrVideo]

Oh crap! I just got another SD video that BDRB wants to VFR. :mad:

It is a complete episode that I just added to the list and now BDRB doesn't like it either.

UPDATE: Version 20 created disc 1 and 5 without any issues.

[MrVideo]

@Sharc:

Just a thought. How about using a previous version that you have installed and see what happens, i.e. will it import the image?

[varekai]

I went back in this thread and found this post.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1789021#post1789021

That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?

[Sharc]

@Sharc:

Just a thought. How about using a previous version that you have installed and see what happens, i.e. will it import the image?
I tried with BDRB.exe v0.50.23 using a background picture which worked before, but same problem. The encoding of the background is just skipped.
And a new surprise: The .LOG gets no longer updated on the HD, and after I deleted it no new .log file was created. I see the log in the GUI tab only. The .INF file is however written to the HD as expected. Weird.
Maybe I have to wait for the next W10 update .....

[MrVideo]

Maybe I have to wait for the next W10 update .....
Oh, therein lies your problem... Win10. :D I'm running BDRB under XP-64. I just recently brought up a Win7 box.

[MrVideo]

Houston, we have another problem:
[06:17:11] Importing: 1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK
- [06:17:20] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
[06:22:08]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
I wanted to see if the Blu-ray player would play the video when authored, so I tried to import it. I have no idea what went wrong because the log does not supply details. It would be nice if the log listed what the source issue was and why it failed to build the BD structure.

The video has DD+. The file name has "DD+5.1", not "DD_5.1".

[varekai]

Houston, we have another problem:
[06:17:11] Importing: 1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK
- [06:17:20] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
[06:22:08]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
I wanted to see if the Blu-ray player would play the video when authored, so I tried to import it. I have no idea what went wrong because the log does not supply details. It would be nice if the log listed what the source issue was and why it failed to build the BD structure.

The video has DD+. The file name has "DD+5.1", not "DD_5.1".
Me thinks that 1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK is a big no-no...

[MrVideo]

Not really. I have the DVDs, but since they have not released the episodes in 1080p, I went to get the files.

[Sharc]

Oh, therein lies your problem... Win10. :D I'm running BDRB under XP-64. I just recently brought up a Win7 box.
Nope, it's not a Win10 issue.
As I had only 1 item (the movie) I had to put in the .ini:
MENU_FORCE_QUICK=1
in order to have the menu created for 1 item only.
Problem solved :)

[MrVideo]

Oh right. Forgot about that, as I set that ages ago. I just also like picking on Win10. :D

[DoctorM]

Those M2TS streams probably have one or more IGS streams in them. By default small files that contain IGS aren't reencoded. That's mainly because TSMUXER doesn't handle IGS streams. BD-RB has the ability to fool TSMUXER and make required changes itself to TSMUXER's output that are associated with IGS. You can make it do that by adding IGS_ENABLE=1 to your INI file. It adds time to the encode and some small risk, so it really isn't worth it unless there's significant space savings.

Just to see what would happen I tried IGS_ENABLE=1 and that didn't bring up the extras.
Yes, there are playlists for these extras and they are accessible from the menu during playback.

Tested another recent WAC disc and found the same issue of the bonus feature not appearing on the streams list.
Curious.

[MrVideo]

Tested another recent WAC disc and found the same issue of the bonus feature not appearing on the streams list.
Curious.
If you look back a few postings you will see that what has happened to you, happened to me, sortof. There were short videos that did not make the streams list. But, they were imported and placed into the BDMV structure. Of the ones that did make it and had two audio streams, the 2nd stream was flagged with a red X (which is a commentary track).

I did not do the Backup portion and just burned the BDMV structure as is, because nothing needed recoding and what was there was going to fit as I was making discs from MKV files.

That said, I'm guessing that if I would have clicked on Backup, those videos missing from the stream list would have been missing from the final result as well as the 2nd audio stream being stripped.

So, this isn't just happening to you, it could have happened to me as well.

[varekai]

Not really. I have the DVDs, but since they have not released the episodes in 1080p, I went to get the files.
I'm afraid you're wrong, this is a BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only forum.
Illegal downloaded material such as the one you mentioned (1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK) is a no-no, period!
You can't really expect to get any assistance on this as it's illegal and preprocessed material, now can you?

[Lathe]

That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?

Yes, this ^

[Lathe]

I'm afraid you're wrong, this is a BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only forum.
Illegal downloaded material such as the one you mentioned (1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK) is a no-no, period!
You can't really expect to get any assistance on this as it's illegal and preprocessed material, now can you?

Oops... Looks like somebody forgot to change the file name... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[varekai]

Yes, this ^
What?

[varekai]

Oops... Looks like somebody forgot to change the file name... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif
Yep, MrVideo into something shady...

[MrVideo]

Yep, MrVideo into something shady...
Not exactly shady. ABC Studios, in their stupid wisdom, has only released DVDs of this series, which I have. But I want better, i.e., 1080p. If they would have released Blu-rays, I would have them instead. It isn't as if this series wasn't popular. ABC Studios is the worst studio for releasing Blu-ray product.

Frankly, it was the last time I bought DVDs from ABC Studios. No Blu-ray release, no purchase.

Still doesn't diminish the point that there is an issue handling DD+. There should be zero manipulation of the audio stream. What comes in, should go out. It isn't as if BDRB users are creating these Blu-rays to sell them. They are for personal use. If it doesn't work, then that is the reason that there should be a DD+ ini option for passthru or recode. My Blu-ray player doesn't deal with the audio streams. It just passes them out to the amp via the HDMI connection, as configured.

[MrVideo]

Based upon conversations in a couple of other threads, eac3to being one of them, this particular DD+ stream is not Blu-ray compliant, as it doesn't have a legacy AC3 core. The paper that I quoted above appears to have been written with only Blu-ray EAC3 being described. Streaming services are using the variant of EAC3 where all of the data is in the substream packets, with 0 data in the legacy AC3 packets.

There are zero programs out there that can convert the EAC3 substreams into AC3 legacy streams.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I noticed that v0.50.24 does now import lossless 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 material from common codecs like Huffyuv, Lagarith, UTVideo correctly (interlaced field parity according your proposed strategy (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1795246&postcount=25594)). Very nice, thank you!
A minor issue: 576i sources are shown as 480i in the Stream Tab of the GUI. They are however correctly converted to mpeg4 576i by the import process and then encoded as 720x576 (with borders) with --sar 10:11, which should be --sar 12:11 for 720x576 4:3, I think.

[DoctorM]

If you look back a few postings you will see that what has happened to you, happened to me, sortof. There were short videos that did not make the streams list. But, they were imported and placed into the BDMV structure. Of the ones that did make it and had two audio streams, the 2nd stream was flagged with a red X (which is a commentary track).

I did not do the Backup portion and just burned the BDMV structure as is, because nothing needed recoding and what was there was going to fit as I was making discs from MKV files.

That said, I'm guessing that if I would have clicked on Backup, those videos missing from the stream list would have been missing from the final result as well as the 2nd audio stream being stripped.

So, this isn't just happening to you, it could have happened to me as well.

I'm not sure what you mean about them being placed in the BDMV structure, but the final disc did have those extras, they were just copied untouched.

(They would probably be VID_00001, VID_00002 and VID_00003.)

[06/29/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[16:58:48] Source: JOE.VERSUS.THE.VOLCANO
- Input BD size: 32.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:58:30.203]
- Target BD size: 23.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
- Output folder: C:\Users\Dr. M\Desktop\
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[16:58:50] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:58:50] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 6)
- [16:58:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:06:30] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 146,904 frames
- Bitrate: 26,487 Kbs
- [17:06:30] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [17:52:23] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [22:46:50] Video Encode complete
- [22:46:50] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [22:46:50] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:55:43] Processing: VID_00004 (2 of 6)
- [22:55:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [22:55:49] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
- [22:55:49] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [22:55:49] Processing audio tracks
- [22:55:49] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:55:52] Processing: VID_00005 (3 of 6)
- [22:55:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
- [22:56:18] Reencoding video [VID_00005]
- [22:56:18] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [22:56:18] Processing audio tracks
- [22:56:18] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:56:32] Blanking: VID_00006 (4 of 6)
- [22:56:32] Blanking: VID_00007 (5 of 6)
- [22:56:32] Processing: VID_00008 (6 of 6)
- [22:56:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00008]
- [22:56:37] Reencoding video [VID_00008]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 264 frames
- Bitrate: 6,621 Kbs
- [22:56:37] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 1 of 2
- [22:56:47] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 2 of 2
- [22:57:02] Video Encode complete
- [22:57:02] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [22:57:02] Multiplexing M2TS
[22:57:06]PHASE ONE complete
[22:57:06]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [22:57:06] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[23:00:59] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[23:00:59] JOB: JOE.VERSUS.THE.VOLCANO finished.

[MrVideo]

I'm not sure what you mean about them being placed in the BDMV structure, but the final disc did have those extras, they were just copied untouched.
After the files are imported, before you click on the Backup button, in the BDRB Working directory, there is an IMPORTS directory. In there you will find your project directory. That contains the Blu-ray structure, consisting of the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories. I burn that to media.
(They would probably be VID_00001, VID_00002 and VID_00003.)
Not in this particular case. The first 6 imported files are the 1080p videos. The files after those are the SD files, some of which show up in the stream list, but all show up in the final result.

I misunderstood, in that I thought if they were missing from the streams list, they would be missing after the Backup stage was completed. All of the files are untouched in the IMPORTS location.

So, ya, it is strange that they are missing from the streams list, yet in both our cases, they are actually there.

[Lathe]

What?

Uh... (cough...) It's like kind of quoted within the post above mate... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by varekai

"That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?"

That's one reason why I always read the new comments on the board and not just in my e'mail notification :)

[Lathe]

Based upon conversations in a couple of other threads, eac3to being one of them, this particular DD+ stream is not Blu-ray compliant, as it doesn't have a legacy AC3 core. The paper that I quoted above appears to have been written with only Blu-ray EAC3 being described. Streaming services are using the variant of EAC3 where all of the data is in the substream packets, with 0 data in the legacy AC3 packets.

There are zero programs out there that can convert the EAC3 substreams into AC3 legacy streams.

I'm probably misunderstanding what you are saying, so if so, please excuse me... But, UsEac3to takes an Eac3 stream and converts it to whatever you want. Oddly, for me anyway, it won't do it from the total MKV stream like it normally does; it throws an error. BUT... if you use MKV Extract first, and extract the Eac3 stream separately and THEN drop it in UsEac3to, then it converts it.

I'm always doing this because some of my, uh, (cough...) 'found' MKVs have Eac3 tracks. So, I always extract them, drop them into UsEac3to and double the bit rate and convert to Ac3.

[Lathe]

Not exactly shady. ABC Studios, in their stupid wisdom, has only released DVDs of this series, which I have. But I want better, i.e., 1080p. If they would have released Blu-rays, I would have them instead. It isn't as if this series wasn't popular. ABC Studios is the worst studio for releasing Blu-ray product.

Frankly, it was the last time I bought DVDs from ABC Studios. No Blu-ray release, no purchase.

Still doesn't diminish the point that there is an issue handling DD+. There should be zero manipulation of the audio stream. What comes in, should go out. It isn't as if BDRB users are creating these Blu-rays to sell them. They are for personal use. If it doesn't work, then that is the reason that there should be a DD+ ini option for passthru or recode. My Blu-ray player doesn't deal with the audio streams. It just passes them out to the amp via the HDMI connection, as configured.

Nice, smooth re-direct, BTW... :D

[varekai]

Uh... (cough...) It's like kind of quoted within the post above mate... :rolleyes:

:confused:

[MrVideo]

I'm probably misunderstanding what you are saying, so if so, please excuse me... But, UsEac3to takes an Eac3 stream and converts it to whatever you want. Oddly, for me anyway, it won't do it from the total MKV stream like it normally does; it throws an error. BUT... if you use MKV Extract first, and extract the Eac3 stream separately and THEN drop it in UsEac3to, then it converts it.
Start reading this thread, starting from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1811178#post1811178
The eac3to program can't deal with the eac3 stream when it is within a MKV file. Once I extracted the EAC3 stream from the MKV file, eac3to had no problem converting it to AC3. Therein lies the problem, it recoded the audio, something I am trying to avoid, as each recode of AC3 adds errors/artifacts to the recoded AC3 stream.

As pointed out in the thread, there is no program out there that can extract the AC3 packets from the EAC3 stream, untouched. The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid.

Please read through the thread. Lots of useful info.

So, while the DD+ streams we are finding are not Blu-ray compliant, they should still be able to be placed onto a Blu-ray and be playable, since it is the amp that is doing the playing of the audio.
I'm always doing this because some of my, uh, (cough...) 'found' MKVs have Eac3 tracks. So, I always extract them, drop them into UsEac3to and double the bit rate and convert to Ac3.
Why convert them? Why not just leave them as EAC3 streams?

[worknstiff]

@ MrVideo; RE: The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid. Why convert them? Why not just leave them as EAC3 streams?

I second that emotion. I just returned home and was trying out the latest, greatest version of BD Rebuilder. I have been having a few hick-ups when using it to recode some MKV's. I have found that in a few cases it is not recognizing that the E-AC3 is actually 5.1 and lists it as stereo when it imports the audio. I wonder how that can even happen? I think if at all possible I would like for it not to re-coded either, especially if you are not outputting into a blue ray format.

PS: thanks for the latest version jdobbs!

[Lathe]

:confused:

Oooookay then... apparently it's time to take Vareki on a little trip out to the woods...


http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Beating a dead horse3.gif

[Lathe]

Start reading this thread, starting from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1811178#post1811178
The eac3to program can't deal with the eac3 stream when it is within a MKV file. Once I extracted the EAC3 stream from the MKV file, eac3to had no problem converting it to AC3. Therein lies the problem, it recoded the audio, something I am trying to avoid, as each recode of AC3 adds errors/artifacts to the recoded AC3 stream.

As pointed out in the thread, there is no program out there that can extract the AC3 packets from the EAC3 stream, untouched. The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid.


Oh, I see... You mean that the AC3 is somehow 'within' the Eac3 file and you want to extract it untouched. I didn't understand that; I also didn't know that that was the way an Eac3 file was constructed.

[MrVideo]

Oh, I see... You mean that the AC3 is somehow 'within' the Eac3 file and you want to extract it untouched. I didn't understand that; I also didn't know that that was the way an Eac3 file was constructed.
EAC3 has an AC3 core packet stream, in which to make it compatible with devices that do not understand EAC3. It also allows for S/PDIF connections between the Blu-ray and amp, where the Blu-ray hardware can extract the core packet stream to send out the S/PDIF connection. That is done in hardware. The core can be extracted by software.

But, the EAC3 files we are running into have all of the 5.1 data placed into the EAC3 subsystem packets, allowing for a high bitrate. But, the main EAC3 packets are left empty. There is no software available, at this time, that can take the EAC3 subsystem packets and convert then to AC3 packets. Since AC3 is 640kbps, or lower, if the EAC3 data was at a bitrate higher than 640kbps, then it have to be recoded to be AC3 compliant.

Frankly, I do not know how anyone can stream from Amazon, or Netflix, and play DD+ audio over a S/PDIF connection.

While I do not blame jdobbs for wanting the DD+ to be Blu-ray compliant, in this case, an option that allows the user to recode DD+, or not, would allow the user to decide. For those of us with HDMI connections to their amps, it is a moot point if the amp was designed with DD+ in mind, as well as Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio.

[varekai]

Oooookay then... apparently it's time to take Vareki on a little trip out to the woods...
:eek:

[Lathe]

:eek:

Good! That is precisely the look I was hoping for... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[Lathe]

EAC3 has an AC3 core packet stream, in which to make it compatible with devices that do not understand EAC3. It also allows for S/PDIF connections between the Blu-ray and amp, where the Blu-ray hardware can extract the core packet stream to send out the S/PDIF connection. That is done in hardware. The core can be extracted by software.

But, the EAC3 files we are running into have all of the 5.1 data placed into the EAC3 subsystem packets, allowing for a high bitrate. But, the main EAC3 packets are left empty. There is no software available, at this time, that can take the EAC3 subsystem packets and convert then to AC3 packets. Since AC3 is 640kbps, or lower, if the EAC3 data was at a bitrate higher than 640kbps, then it have to be recoded to be AC3 compliant.



That is interesting; I sure didn't know that. Is that any way similar how TrueHD has an AC3 core? I know that UsEac3to will convert a TrueHD track that has been muxed in an MKV file, thus with the core removed, by selecting the TrueHD+AC3 output where in this case it DOES put the AC3 core back into the TrueHD stream, therefore making TSMuxer able to remux it back into a BDMV folder properly.

[gonca]

@Lathe
Oooookay then... apparently it's time to take Vareki on a little trip out to the woods...

Take your meds again
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/16fe/zcvai0c2b05s8qs4g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/zcvai0c2b05s8qs/Cat-on-drugs_o_131791.jpg)

[Lathe]

@Lathe


Take your meds again
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/16fe/zcvai0c2b05s8qs4g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/zcvai0c2b05s8qs/Cat-on-drugs_o_131791.jpg)

Now, listen, that night I had a few drinks...

[MrVideo]

That is interesting; I sure didn't know that. Is that any way similar how TrueHD has an AC3 core? I know that UsEac3to will convert a TrueHD track that has been muxed in an MKV file, thus with the core removed, by selecting the TrueHD+AC3 output where in this case it DOES put the AC3 core back into the TrueHD stream, therefore making TSMuxer able to remux it back into a BDMV folder properly.
I didn't know all this until recently either. It took postings by those who know over in the EAC3TO thread to get me up-to-speed.

I've not dug into TrueHD, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing doesn't hold true there as well. As far a BDRB is concerned, in order to be Blu-ray compliant, both TrueHD and DTS-MA would have to have their cores so that the core can be sent out the S/PDIF port.

To tell the truth, any MKV file that I have seen that has TrueHD, or DTS-MA, I don't know if the core was there, or not. I do my viewing via HDMI.

I just did a test with the file that has EAC3, no core, and a file that has AC3. I played both on my computer that has a S/PDIF fiber cable to the amp, via VLC. The EAC3 file showed up as "All Channel Stereo." So, VLC converted it to a PCM format. The true AC3 video played and appeared on the amp as "Dolby Digital."

[Lathe]

I didn't know all this until recently either. It took postings by those who know over in the EAC3TO thread to get me up-to-speed.

I've not dug into TrueHD, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing doesn't hold true there as well. As far a BDRB is concerned, in order to be Blu-ray compliant, both TrueHD and DTS-MA would have to have their cores so that the core can be sent out the S/PDIF port.

To tell the truth, any MKV file that I have seen that has TrueHD, or DTS-MA, I don't know if the core was there, or not. I do my viewing via HDMI.

I just did a test with the file that has EAC3, no core, and a file that has AC3. I played both on my computer that has a S/PDIF fiber cable to the amp, via VLC. The EAC3 file showed up as "All Channel Stereo." So, VLC converted it to a PCM format. The true AC3 video played and appeared on the amp as "Dolby Digital."

Yeah, pretty much all of the MKV files that have DTS-MA DO have the DTS core in them and they always play. However ALL of the MKV files that have a TrueHD track ALWAYS have the AC3 core stripped out. Thus the need to have UsEac3to put it back in. That is, to make it BD compliant and for my OPPO to see it and play it properly.

[gonca]

Yeah, pretty much all of the MKV files that have DTS-MA DO have the DTS core in them and they always play. However ALL of the MKV files that have a TrueHD track ALWAYS have the AC3 core stripped out. Thus the need to have UsEac3to put it back in. That is, to make it BD compliant and for my OPPO to see it and play it properly.

MKVMerge can't mux a TrueHD track as is
It has to seperate it into its components, one HD track and one core track

[Lathe]

MKVMerge can't mux a TrueHD track as is
It has to seperate it into its components, one HD track and one core track

Ah... Didn't know why...

[gonca]

Load any mpls with TrueHD into MKVMerge and look at the track listings. There will be one extra track listed, it separates the HD from the core

[MrVideo]

That is, to make it BD compliant and for my OPPO to see it and play it properly.
Interesting. Don't you have the Oppo set to just pass the selected audio stream to your amp?

[Lathe]

Load any mpls with TrueHD into MKVMerge and look at the track listings. There will be one extra track listed, it separates the HD from the core

Yeah, now that you mention it, I think that I have seen that...

[Lathe]

Interesting. Don't you have the Oppo set to just pass the selected audio stream to your amp?

I can't remember the exact setting. Yes, ALL audio goes to my amp. I have an older amp, so I can't remember exactly how that is set. I think it does have one digital input, but I can't remember how the OPPO is set. I know there are different ways you can do it, but I don't remember how I have it set. I'll hafta look at the setup menu to remind me.

Like I've mentioned a few months ago, my OPPO SEES the Dolby+ track and when I tried to play I think it was an MKV file with an Eac3 audio track on it, that was the first time I saw that on the OPPO's screen. BUT... I couldn't hear it. So, it likely has something to do with what you are saying as to how it is set up with the amp.

I know there are different ways you can tell the OPPO how to process the HD audio signal. Something like passing through the actual digital signal or running it through the DAC's, something like that...

[MrVideo]

I can't remember the exact setting. Yes, ALL audio goes to my amp. I have an older amp, so I can't remember exactly how that is set. I think it does have one digital input, but I can't remember how the OPPO is set. I know there are different ways you can do it, but I don't remember how I have it set. I'll hafta look at the setup menu to remind me.
OK, then by the sounds of it, you do not have an HDMI connection, but either a S/PDIF or coax cable.
Like I've mentioned a few months ago, my OPPO SEES the Dolby+ track and when I tried to play I think it was an MKV file with an Eac3 audio track on it, that was the first time I saw that on the OPPO's screen. BUT... I couldn't hear it. So, it likely has something to do with what you are saying as to how it is set up with the amp.
Yep, the Oppo has to send the core down the S/PDIF/coax to the amp as that digital connection will only handle the core bitrates. The EAC3 in the MKV had no core, so the Oppo could do nothing with the audio.
I know there are different ways you can tell the OPPO how to process the HD audio signal. Something like passing through the actual digital signal or running it through the DAC's, something like that...
Passthru should only work with a HDMI connection. So, for you and BDRB, if you make a Blu-ray disc, any HD audio (EAC3, or better) will require the core so that your Oppo can get the audio to the amp.

Otherwise, you need a new amp. :D

[Lathe]

OK, then by the sounds of it, you do not have an HDMI connection, but either a S/PDIF or coax cable.

Yep, the Oppo has to send the core down the S/PDIF/coax to the amp as that digital connection will only handle the core bitrates. The EAC3 in the MKV had no core, so the Oppo could do nothing with the audio.

Passthru should only work with a HDMI connection. So, for you and BDRB, if you make a Blu-ray disc, any HD audio (EAC3, or better) will require the core so that your Oppo can get the audio to the amp.

Otherwise, you need a new amp. :D

Oh yeah, now I see why I couldn't hear anything. Thanks for explaining that. It's a very good, but pretty old amp. So, other than that one kind of funny looking square digital input, everything else is through analog outs I think. 6 separate sets of short cables for the 5.1 and one older Randall Audiophile interconnect from the CD out when I use headphones at night.

[jdobbs]

Why convert themBecause it isn't compliant

[jdobbs]

EAC3 has an AC3 core packet stream, in which to make it compatible with devices that do not understand EAC3. It also allows for S/PDIF connections between the Blu-ray and amp, where the Blu-ray hardware can extract the core packet stream to send out the S/PDIF connection. That is done in hardware. The core can be extracted by software.

But, the EAC3 files we are running into have all of the 5.1 data placed into the EAC3 subsystem packets, allowing for a high bitrate. But, the main EAC3 packets are left empty. There is no software available, at this time, that can take the EAC3 subsystem packets and convert then to AC3 packets. Since AC3 is 640kbps, or lower, if the EAC3 data was at a bitrate higher than 640kbps, then it have to be recoded to be AC3 compliant.

Frankly, I do not know how anyone can stream from Amazon, or Netflix, and play DD+ audio over a S/PDIF connection.

While I do not blame jdobbs for wanting the DD+ to be Blu-ray compliant, in this case, an option that allows the user to recode DD+, or not, would allow the user to decide. For those of us with HDMI connections to their amps, it is a moot point if the amp was designed with DD+ in mind, as well as Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio.Sorry... but allowing a non-compliant stream into a BD that BD-RB creates is just asking for trouble. I'm not going there.