BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Lathe]

You beat me to it! :cool:

Heh heh heh... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

[Lathe]

We loves you too! :D
https://s18.postimg.org/82iyfq2bt/im-not-willy-wonka-i-dont-sugar-coat-shit_1.jpg

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/laugh.gif Oh brother... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[gonca]

Hey Lathe
Found the your picture from last week

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9bbf/h74q5e5yh7e6si34g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/h74q5e5yh7e6si3/9322250.jpg)

[gonca]

varekai
We loves you too!

No we don't

@Lathe
Before you remark
See post above

[Lathe]

Hey Lathe
Found the your picture from last week

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9bbf/h74q5e5yh7e6si34g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/h74q5e5yh7e6si3/9322250.jpg)

Don't these guys have jobs, or a life, or something... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[AmigaFuture]

@ Lathe

Some go hunting around the Internet for Kiddie pictures. *Yikes, haha* What do you think?

@ JD

Anyway...

Okay, I'm request some help. How do I get a .wav files to be accepted in place of .dts for multiplexing? Seems I'm missing something. Replace an AC3 with AC3, not a problem. I'm (damn it, that kid in the picture keeps looking at me...I'm really becoming bothered...haha) using .wav made by DVDFab that has you-know-what removed. Challenge is, it's only working in Move Only copies (as they call it). So the BD structure is Movie only. Doesn't work with my BD in Full Backup...yet.

For now, I'm fine with a DTS--ish WAV file without you-know-what. Renaming the .wav to .dts doesn't do it. tsMuxR hangs..and such. Makes sense. I've edited the MUX_00xxx.meta files but those are overwritten each time you want to resume -- so no go. I've modified the AUD_00xxx_xxxx.AVS, but that doesn't get the result (so far). I've replaced the M2TS files, but that just gets a realllllllly slow process that seems to hang.

JD, help?

[varekai]

varekai
No we don't...
Yes WE do!
https://s18.postimg.org/9ozfsvquh/back-at-the-farm.jpg

[MrVideo]

Found the your picture from last week
English not your first language?

[MrVideo]

How do I get a .wav files to be accepted in place of .dts for multiplexing? Seems I'm missing something. Replace an AC3 with AC3, not a problem. I'm using .wav made by DVDFab that has you-know-what removed. Challenge is, it's only working in Move[sic] Only copies (as they call it). So the BD structure is Movie only. Doesn't work with my BD in Full Backup...yet.
I have no idea what you mean by "you-know-what removed." That said, WAV audio files are not Blu-ray compliant. If you are trying to actually get a LPCM audio stream, I have to ask... why? LPCM files are huge. They eat up lots of space. What is wrong with keeping the original DTS audio stream?

[AmigaFuture]

I was having fun about Cinavia. Check here (http://blog.dvdfab.cn/cinavia-protection.html). The copy replaces DTS-HD with a WAV equivalent without the watermark.

I haven't used and forgot about KEEP_HD_LPCM=n. Checking that now...

[MrVideo]

I was having fun about Cinavia.
Oh. Seems that Universal/Lionsgate and Sony have stopped using it. Might be because it has been broken. So, the whole issue with Cinavia going forward might be moot.
The copy replaces DTS-HD with a WAV equivalent without the watermark.
Actually it replaces it with a LPCM audio stream. While LPCM and WAV are both PCM audio, they are not the same. The headers are different. That is why you had me confused, using WAV instead of LPCM.

I suspect that DVDFab can't recode back to DTS-HD/MA because of licensing. Being a commercial product, DTS would want money. LPCM is free. I can't think of a reason why DVDFab can't remux the LPCM stream back into the movie backup. Other than the video would have to be recoded to an even smaller size, in order to keep all of the other audio streams and the special features, etc. By doing the movie only version, the video doesn't have to be shrunk as much.

You can recode the LPCM to DTS with ffmpeg or ffdcaenc (which is supposed to be a little better than ffmpeg). I doubt that you'll hear the difference.

[Ch3vr0n]

Replacing the audio was established YEARS ago, Cinavia is now (believe it or not) nearly 6 years old. and doing that opens up a whole shitload of problematic things.

audio duration must match to the last frame, bitrate must be valid, channels must be valid, codec must be valid,... just a complete nightmare

[Lathe]

Hey Lathe
Found the your picture from last week


English not your first language?
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/images/smilies/laugh_above.gif http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rotflmao.gif

Sorry gonca, couldn't help it... :)

[Lathe]

Yes WE do!
https://s18.postimg.org/9ozfsvquh/back-at-the-farm.jpg

Oh boy... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif Let's not get carried away here... :)

[Lathe]

I have no idea what you mean by "you-know-what removed." That said, WAV audio files are not Blu-ray compliant. If you are trying to actually get a LPCM audio stream, I have to ask... why? LPCM files are huge. They eat up lots of space. What is wrong with keeping the original DTS audio stream?

I was rather curious about this too AF...??? If you use the 'Keep LPCM' that should do it as long as you have the room

[Lathe]

Oh. Seems that Universal/Lionsgate and Sony have stopped using it. Might be because it has been broken. So, the whole issue with Cinavia going forward might be moot.

Man, that sure would be NICE! What a nasty little bugger... Whomever came up with that little gem should be consigned to the same place as dictators who use chemical weapons on their own people.

(well, that MIGHT be overstating it just a bit...)

Seriously though, are they REALLY not using it any more? That would be frigg'n AWESOME! Do you know why in detail they are not using it anymore if that is the case?

[Lathe]

Replacing the audio was established YEARS ago, Cinavia is now (believe it or not) nearly 6 years old. and doing that opens up a whole shitload of problematic things.

audio duration must match to the last frame, bitrate must be valid, channels must be valid, codec must be valid,... just a complete nightmare

What does that mean Ch3vr0n? It sure sounds ominous. I don't quite understand. Does this mean a 'good' thing or a 'bad' thing...?

[MrVideo]

Seriously though, are they REALLY not using it any more? That would be frigg'n AWESOME! Do you know why in detail they are not using it anymore if that is the case?
The latest Universal/Lionsgate and Sony releases that I got my hands on were without Cinavia. As to why, I have no idea, as they have not officially said anything. Nor do I expect them to. They certainly are not going to admit defeat. They still label DVD/Blu-ray/4K releases as being copy protected, knowing full well they aren't. Here's hoping they continue to not use Cinavia.

As a side note, I fixed Sony releases by using the AC3 audio stream from the DVD release. I initially did that with Universal/Lionsgate releases, until they caught on and also started adding Cinavia to their DVD releases.

[MrVideo]

audio duration must match to the last frame, bitrate must be valid, channels must be valid, codec must be valid,... just a complete nightmare
How do you figure? It has not been a nightmare for a lot of people.

[Lathe]

The latest Universal/Lionsgate and Sony releases that I got my hands on were without Cinavia. As to why, I have no idea, as they have not officially said anything. Nor do I expect them to. They certainly are not going to admit defeat. They still label DVD/Blu-ray/4K releases as being copy protected, knowing full well they aren't. Here's hoping they continue to not use Cinavia.

As a side note, I fixed Sony releases by using the AC3 audio stream from the DVD release. I initially did that with Universal/Lionsgate releases, until they caught on and also started adding Cinavia to their DVD releases.

Wow, well, that is just friggin' GREAT that it is gone, hopefully for good! To me that was one of the most insidious encryption creations...

[AmigaFuture]

I should have typed LPCM. Having BD-RB convert the LPCM to AC-3 is pretty good. Sound is very good...and the "new" AC-3 from LPCM replacing the "infected AC-3" to the BD with movie and extras seems to be doing well. I'll check it all soon.

[MrVideo]

Wow, well, that is just friggin' GREAT that it is gone, hopefully for good!
You and me both.
To me that was one of the most insidious encryption creations...
Technically it wasn't any form of encryption. It is more of a watermark.

With our luck, it'll show up again. :devil:

[MrVideo]

I should have typed LPCM. Having BD-RB convert the LPCM to AC-3 is pretty good. Sound is very good...and the "new" AC-3 from LPCM replacing the "infected AC-3" to the BD with movie and extras seems to be doing well. I'll check it all soon.
IMHO, it would be a "little" better if it were re-coded to DTS. It can have a bitrate that is a little more than twice that of AC3. That would allow it to keep more of the "info" that is in Dolby-TrueHD/DTS-MA audio streams. And the program to do it, ffdcaenc, is free. I use it quite a bit.

[Lathe]

IMHO, it would be a "little" better if it were re-coded to DTS. It can have a bitrate that is a little more than twice that of AC3. That would allow it to keep more of the "info" that is in Dolby-TrueHD/DTS-MA audio streams. And the program to do it, ffdcaenc, is free. I use it quite a bit.

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/this.gif

Absolutely! Why setting for 640 (or less) when you can have DTS @ 1536...??? Of course, SOME older films or material it might not matter much, but anything with a decent soundtrack...???

[jdobbs]

Absolutely! Why setting for 640 (or less) when you can have DTS @ 1536...??? Of course, SOME older films or material it might not matter much, but anything with a decent soundtrack...???Because it's a waste. If AC3 at 640Kbs is invisible and indistinguishable from the original LPCM to the human ear -- why do you need a higher bitrate? Save the extra bandwidth so it can be used to improve your video.

[gonca]

Because it's a waste. If AC3 at 640Kbs is invisible and indistinguishable from the original LPCM to the human ear -- why do you need a higher bitrate? Save the extra bandwidth so it can be used to improve your video.

Yep! +1
But that's Lathe, he likes to overly tweak things to the point where they waste time and space.
He seems to have an anal compulsive obsession about these things.
And then there's MrVideo, he knows better

[MrVideo]

And then there's MrVideo, he knows better
While I supposedly know better, I too agree with using DTS for sources that start out with DTS-MA, or Dolby TrueHD. that are converted to LPCM. DTS is just a little better encoder. Use 768k if you want to save on some bitrate.

[Lathe]

Because it's a waste. If AC3 at 640Kbs is invisible and indistinguishable from the original LPCM to the human ear -- why do you need a higher bitrate? Save the extra bandwidth so it can be used to improve your video.

DOHHHHH! Crap! I totally forgot how you feel about that! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

[Lathe]

Yep! +1
But that's Lathe, he likes to overly tweak things to the point where they waste time and space.
He seems to have an anal compulsive obsession about these things.
And then there's MrVideo, he knows better

Oh, the pain, the pain...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/sigh1.gif

[AmigaFuture]

You and me both.

Technically it wasn't any form of encryption. It is more of a watermark.

With our luck, it'll show up again. :devil:

Leave me out of that our statement. I don't accept luck as a truth, I'm not into superstitions. Will there be some other form of "protection"? to attempt to stop pirates and cause challenges for legal owners? Sure...perhaps. Some things repeat in evolution while others stop.

I'm into Eastern medicine, thoughts and activities for the body that bests Western Docs. I still hear sounds a bit better than most I've met. I'll check into ffdcaenc with 768k for fun.

[MrVideo]

Leave me out of that our statement.
Huh?
I don't accept luck as a truth, I'm not into superstitions.
Who said anything about luck being truth? You consider luck a superstition?

[Lathe]

Huh?

Who said anything about luck being truth? You consider luck a superstition?

Ahhhhh.... Now, THIS is interesting.

On one side we have the ever proper, ever precise Mr. Video...

On the other side, we have the Eastern flavoured, philosophical, enigmatic AF...

I think the Universe is just about ready to implode... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[AmigaFuture]

Huh?

I was...in part..having fun with you.

Who said anything about luck being truth? You consider luck a superstition?

Luck, lucky, etc.. are colloquialism. Live the life I've lived and experiences I've had in this life (as well as previous) and...you'll know without a doubt luck doesn't have anything to do with anything (nor is anything preordained). Thus, yes. There is a reason why Science and Churches butt heads. But Quantum brings things together. Luck doesn't fit into anything, except to be a silly phrase to be used as an excuse for deeper understanding--or "general" conversations (Weee!!). But I don't wish to stray too much off topic. Superstitions are funny.. Does a Black Cat crossing your Path really cause bad luck? I have had 3 Black Cats in 30+ years...Uhh, they don't. I'm very aware of my movements and actions through the moments of a day. Depends on your Mind and what You accept/reject. I'm very open but not to "luck/magic". Love to know how and why, which totally removes luck/superstition.

@ Lathe

"I think the Universe is just about ready to implode... " -- Hahahha!! Nice! Yeah, and Armageddon will ever actually BE something real. Funny. More like Multi-Verse.. Wink!

[LowDead]

@jdobbs: Hi! Don't know if you made any progress on UHD backups. Have you successfully encode anything yet? Anyhow, the bad monkey have gotten around to make uhd backups work (currently full disc with all available streams and movie only with ability to remove streams.) I made a backup and have info on working video stream if that can help you... I can also volunteer to test on a standalone Samsung UDP-K8500 when you come closer to working version :D

Have a nice day!

//LD

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\WORK\FullDisc\The Smurfs 2\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 38.7 GiB
Duration : 1 h 53 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 49.0 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mb/s

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : 36
Duration : 1 h 44 min
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : SMPTE ST 2084
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : R: x=0.680000 y=0.320000, G: x=0.265000 y=0.690000, B: x=0.150000 y=0.060000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.329000
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000.0000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1132 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 923 cd/m2

[jdobbs]

I have it working -- and in fact have done a couple backups. But there is still a lot of work to be done in automating the entire process and lots and lots of testing. I'm also sure I will find that there is a lot of tweaking to be done when I try more sources. I also have to consider that the holidays are coming up and which I will be entertaining visitors. I'm guessing I might have a UHD-BD version released by the end of the month -- but more probably it will be some time in January.

My biggest challenge is that I don't have a copy of the updated UHD-BD standard. So I've had to spend a lot of time going through files scanning and/or dumping information that would have been easy to look up. It's also no help that even my fastest processor is performing these encodes at a snail's pace. But I simply can't afford to replace it. I was stretching it by buying a UHD-BD player.

[Ch3vr0n]

There's not just UHD jd. 4K doesnt automatically mean UHD and reverse. Then you also have the "high dynamic range" bonus thing too. and apparently something new "Ultra HD Premium"

[LowDead]

There's not just UHD jd. 4K doesnt automatically mean UHD and reverse. Then you also have the "high dynamic range" bonus thing too. and apparently something new "Ultra HD Premium"

Ultra HD Premium is just a "certificate" that says the media is above a certain quality. Nothing special about that.. HDR is another thing though.

//LD

[jdobbs]

The correct terminology, according to everything I’ve read, when it is applied to BD is UHD-BD. So that’s what I call it as well. That includes HDR, 2160p, 10 bit color, etc. If I find a more definitive term - then I’ll call it that. Trying to call it anything else right now is just symantics.

[abbadon]

Can someone remind me of avisynth scrip or some other way to rotate the video 90 degress before encoding? Couple short cell phone videos i want to burn to dvd

[meadrocks]

Ran Avatar last night 1080p, x265 to a mkv, 21 CRF. Every time a Na'vi language subtitle of the appears on screen the video stutters. Are there any work arounds for this?

[joubel]

Hi!

I have installed the new version to a clean windows 7 64bit, with all the additional software (just like in the readme), after that, it started to "fail re-encode" (+ the old one still can run after the windows re-install, but it fails too now). Most of the time i had to continue 1-2 times to finish, but it can't get through on one BD (Priest 2011 1080p GBR AVC). I'm not compressing, just demuxing unnecessary audio dubs). What should i do to make it work? Do i need to post some log file in the thread?

[gonca]

Can someone remind me of avisynth scrip or some other way to rotate the video 90 degress before encoding? Couple short cell phone videos i want to burn to dvd

look for Rotate plugin

[gonca]

Hi!

I have installed the new version to a clean windows 7 64bit, with all the additional software (just like in the readme), after that, it started to "fail re-encode" (+ the old one still can run after the windows re-install, but it fails too now). Most of the time i had to continue 1-2 times to finish, but it can't get through on one BD (Priest 2011 1080p GBR AVC). I'm not compressing, just demuxing unnecessary audio dubs). What should i do to make it work? Do i need to post some log file in the thread?

Please post the log file

[gonca]

Ran Avatar last night 1080p, x265 to a mkv, 21 CRF. Every time a Na'vi language subtitle of the appears on screen the video stutters. Are there any work arounds for this?

Could be a player issue

[abbadon]

look for Rotate plugin

thanks

[meadrocks]

Could be a player issue

I use kodi as a player on all my TVs, it plays x264 & x265 content with no problems with hundreds of movies output from BD-RB. Also stutters on vlc & mplayer on my ubuntu pc. According to the subtitle db (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nAMVVnmk3vSaUiuFXcN7D0R69FHIP4tfIkTdThTkXEk/edit#gid=20) there are issues with the subtitles with bdsup2sub, not sure if BD-RB uses that util.

[gonca]

Don't think it does, and the issues are frame rate based and shouldn't cause stutters
Are your subtitle hard coded

[joubel]

Please post the log file

Thanks, but it seems the problem is solved by check in the option: use x264/lav filter

[meadrocks]

Don't think it does, and the issues are frame rate based and shouldn't cause stutters
Are your subtitle hard coded

Na'vi translation is part of the main English subtitle track, however is in a different font and tagged as forced.

[gonca]

Try it without the subtitles and see if there any issues at those points