BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[MB2]

@jdobbs

Hi! Unless I've misinterpreted that thread, doesn't it provide the means for turning on an ENTIRE subtitle stream and not just the true "Forced Subpics" that may exist as flagged items within a full subtitle stream (If BluRay handles this in the same fashion as standard DVDs)?

Im not sure about all blu-rays, but for Inglorious Basterds it actually has another subtitle track for English (and 3 other languages) that just comes on when non english bits are on.

Ive yet to check Taken.

[jdobbs]

Im not sure about all blu-rays, but for Inglorious Basterds it actually has another subtitle track for English (and 3 other languages) that just comes on when non english bits are on.

Ive yet to check Taken. From what I've seen that seems to be how they all work. If there was, for example, an English subtitle that comes on only when another language is spoken (in the English audio track) -- it would be a separate PGS from the "all-inclusive" English one.

[chompy]

From what I've seen that seems to be how they all work. If there was, for example, an English subtitle that comes on only when another language is spoken (in the English audio track) -- it would be a separate PGS from the "all-inclusive" English one.

Nope, I've seen some subtitles that have a forced flag (if I don't remember bad Angels & Demons is one of them), so as DVDs, you can select a subtitle, but not activate it and when a forced flag is read, then they become visible.

If the forced subs are in another track, there is a small app (Correct BD or something similar) in which for JMBD you can select the audio and subpicture track that will start when you play the movie.

[jdobbs]

Nope, I've seen some subtitles that have a forced flag (if I don't remember bad Angels & Demons is one of them), so as DVDs, you can select a subtitle, but not activate it and when a forced flag is read, then they become visible.

If the forced subs are in another track, there is a small app (Correct BD or something similar) in which for JMBD you can select the audio and subpicture track that will start when you play the movie. Maybe I don't understand - but I guess I don't get the connection. We're talking about defaulting subs to "on" for movie-only here (so you don't have to turn them on at start-up). So all you'd have to do is turn that one on by default via the patch (e.g. Inglorious Basterds -- the one that only contains English subtitles that are displayed when German is spoken in the English audio track).

[blusky]

@blusky;
Since you have mentioned: I would like to suggest a different approach.
If you use ANYDVD HD, can you try to rip the disc to hard drive folder, not an image, and run BD-RB all over again ( I know, it can take a long time :rolleyes: )
I, and many others, use this method, and have not experienced this issue before. This will also remove one potential software conflict, Daemon Tools, from the backup. :cool:

Thanks for your responce Capsbackup.
I am starting the rebuild all over again using the suggestion that Jdobbs suggested witch was deselecting "Do not reencode AC3". I assume this then leaves the AC3 file in its original size??
Anyway It should be finished encodeing somtime late tonight. I will post reply and then try your suggestion of not using an image but just using the folder where it was ripped to. Did not know that I could do it that way. I'll keep trying till I get it write. lol.... :thanks:

[jrnorman]

Originally Posted by jrnorman
I installed BD-Rebuilder from this site and installed it exactly according to your instructions and I have had no problems encoding and rebuilding to BD-5s and BD-25s. I am using ImgBurn and all the DVD-Rs and BD-25s I burned play perfectly with no problem so far.

I did burn two BD-RE 25s (one Optical Quantum and one Verbatim) and neither will play on my Panasonic BMP-605. I get the error “Cannot read. Please Check the Disk” for a BD-5 file set (as a test - no reason to do this for real) and also for a BD-25 file set. My thought was to use the BD-RE to test different options without wasting a BD-R. The BD-REs will load and read for a while but about the time the menu or movie would come up is when the error message is displayed.

According to the manual, both BD-R and BD-RE are supported by the DMP-605 as BD-V. The only difference I can see is that the BD-R needs Version 2 of the BD-R format and BD-RE needs Version 3 of the BD-RE format.


Are you burning from within BD-RB (from the FILE menu or automatic burning)? If not, please try it.

Did just that and with no reported errors on the whole process and ImgBurn verified the disk but it still will not play on the DMP-605. Same exact error. I then burned a BD-25 from the same files and it plays perfectly. I don't know if it is the player or the burner but I don't have access to another of either one.

[Priapismic]

You mean the Panasonic DMP-BD605?
Try updating the firmware on your player.

[woodman]

Sizing is hit-or-miss with CRF. Sounds like a bad burn...

Thanks, will try again

[jrnorman]

You mean the Panasonic DMP-BD605?
Try updating the firmware on your player.

That was done too!

[chompy]

Maybe I don't understand - but I guess I don't get the connection. We're talking about defaulting subs to "on" for movie-only here (so you don't have to turn them on at start-up). So all you'd have to do is turn that one on by default via the patch (e.g. Inglorious Basterds -- the one that only contains English subtitles that are displayed when German is spoken in the English audio track).

Yep, that was what I tried to said, but my english is not good enough, with Correct BD you can easily specify the default audio and subpicture tracks.

[9020V]

I've been playing with this software and have some issues/questions:

I am going exclusively from BD50 -> BS25 in full-disc mode.

(1) How do you know if HD audio is retained? If you don't check "keep HD audio," but the HD audio track is the only one selected (while the others are x'ed out), does that mean it is converting the HD audio track to AC3 640 kbps?

(2) SIZES!!! How big is the HD audio track? How much space are the extras going to take up? How much compression is the main picture going to suffer? I can't find answers to any of this. I would really like to know how much everything is being compressed. Preferably, I would like to compress the extras the most while compressing the main picture the least.

(3) How much is picture quality going to suffer by keeping the HD audio track? On average, can you compare the file sizes for AC3, DTS, TrueHD, and DTS-MA tracks? I know PCM is around 16GB based on your other posts, but can you give me an idea of how large the other types are on blu-ray?

(4) If I keep a HD audio track, should I also keep an AC3 track on the disc? Or will most players decode HD audio? For example, I have a PS3. Suppose I want to output sound over toslink to a HT system (which can't carry HD audio), and I have a disc with only 1 audio track, which is an HD track. Will the PS3 decode the HD audio into something that is compressed and can travel over toslink, or will I get no sound at all? In other words, does the PS3 only output AC3 or DTS over toslink or will it reprocess HD audio to travel over toslink? It shouldn't be an issue as I use HDMI to my TV, but I don't know if my TV decodes HD audio. Furthermore, I am confused if the PS3 actually sends HD audio over HDMI (something about bitstreaming?).

(5) From your experience, how much a difference in picture quality can you tell when compressing a full 50GB blu-ray movie (totally full with HD audio and extras) down to 25GB? That is compressing it to half its original size!

(6) When setting the size, I was using Target: BD-25, but that always left about 1.4 GB free and only filled up 94% of the disc! Is there a reason you are reserving so much empty space on the disc? I manually set the target size to 23866MB, and it still left 400MB free on the disc. These results seem to be repeatable. I would like to use every last bit on the disc if possible unless there is a reason to have a buffer of used real estate at the disc edge.

Otherwise everything has been working amazing. I just need this information in order to better use the program. Thanks!!

[Capsbackup]

So many questions in a bug reports only thread! :p
(1) How do you know if HD audio is retained?
Check out BDInfo. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Others/File-CD-DVD-Catalog/BDInfo.shtml
(2) SIZES!!! How big is the HD audio track?
Will vary. Try and rip several full discs and keep several audio tracks, both HD types and DD 640kbps. Then just go into the folder you have selected for the output and view with Windows Explorer to see the different file sizes for the different types of audio.
(3) How much is picture quality going to suffer by keeping the HD audio track?
Hardly noticeable unless there is a lot of extras. Check the total time for the full backup with BD-RB before starting, if less than 4 hrs, you should be good.
(4) If I keep a HD audio track, should I also keep an AC3 track on the disc?
Not necessarily, there are many original Blu-Rays produced that only have an HD audio track.
(5) From your experience, how much a difference in picture quality can you tell when compressing a full 50GB blu-ray movie (totally full with HD audio and extras) down to 25GB? That is compressing it to half its original size!
X264 is quite an amazing encoder, so your eyes will have to be the judge.
(6) When setting the size, I was using Target: BD-25, but that always left about 1.4 GB free and only filled up 94% of the disc! Is there a reason you are reserving so much empty space on the disc? I manually set the target size to 23866MB, and it still left 400MB free on the disc. These results seem to be repeatable. I would like to use every last bit on the disc if possible unless there is a reason to have a buffer of used real estate at the disc edge.
This is quite normal, with 2 pass encoding being more accurate than the other options. If you oversize, it can take a long time to redo. It is also generally better to not burn to the outer edge of the disc, but everyone has there own opinion on this subject, with the belief that the quality will be higher if the disc is filled.:rolleyes:

[9020V]

How do you pick out the audio files in the folder? What are the extensions? Are you talking about before you encode with BD rebuilder or after? I looked in the folder of a completed BDR project and it appeared the audio and video were combined into a single large file.

[Capsbackup]

The individual files, be it .ac3, .dts, .wav, .pcm, etc will be in there as well, for the ones you selected to keep, only if you uncheck Remove workfiles folder after rebuild.
Before you start a backup, BD-RB will have the time of all to be encoded listed.

[robinsj]

Is there a way that this would leave the main movie file alone without any encoding, and just encode the extras?

[Capsbackup]

Is there a way that this would leave the main movie file alone without any encoding, and just encode the extras?

I'm not exactly sure how this option works, but from the change log:
- Added a new hidden parameter. "FORCE_NOENCODE=1" will
tell BD Rebuilder to keep the origina video intact, no
matter what size. Note that if you have "FORCE_ENCODE"
set as well, encoding will take precedence.
Maybe give it a try and report your findings. :)

[blusky]

Ok jdobbs, I selected "Do not reencode AC3". I think I will start again from the beginning and see what happens. I'll post back. Thank you very much for your help.

jdobbs,
I did as you suggested and selected ,"do not reincode AC3."

Here is the log file:
-----------------------
[13:52:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.06 (beta)
- Source: GRAN_TORINO
- Input BD size: 27.67 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:56:34.779]
- Target BD size: 4.27 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[13:52:02] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [13:52:02] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [14:10:35] Reencoding: VID_00004 (1 of 1)
- [14:10:35] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 167,707 frames
- Bitrate: 3,845 Kbs
- [14:10:35] Reencoding: VID_00004, Pass 1 of 2
- [22:53:03] Reencoding: VID_00004, Pass 2 of 2
- [20:25:08] Video Encode complete
- [20:25:09] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [20:25:09] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:27:09]PHASE ONE complete
[20:27:09]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [20:27:09] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[20:29:30] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:29:30]JOB: GRAN_TORINO finished.


Here is the setup info:
[Status]
LABEL=GRAN_TORINO
VERSION=v0.31.06 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=29708101632
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=29708101632
TARGET_SIZE=4581228544
REDUCTION=.154208054110914
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=1
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00004]
AUDIO=10000
PGS=11110000
M2TS_TARGET=4581228544
RATE=3845
NSIZE=3554168832
FLINK=0
MLINK=0


Looks like it worked!

Just to make sure I understand , by selecting "Do not reencode AC3" it left the audio file in the original size. How can I find the size of the AC3 audio to see what kind of an impact it will have on video quality since I only have 4.27GB for video and audio??

Next I will try Capsbackup suggestion of not using Daemon tools and just reincode form the hard drive. I assume it will be a little slower this way??

Thanks for all the help. Greatly appreciated.:thanks:

[Capsbackup]

There will be a .ac3 file in the WORKFILES folder, if you did not select to Remove WORKFILES folder in setup. Something like "AUD_00004_4352.ac3".
A recent movie only rebuild for me has a 408MB ac3 for a 1:39:15 movie. It's corresponding core .dts file is 963MB, which is less than the original .dts hd master, which could be 2GB or more.
It is a matter of personal preference, but low action movies up to 2 hrs long should be great quality with one ac3 up to 640 kbps on a BD5 disc. I have done longer ones to BD5, and could not see a difference either. :)

[raspi2]

hi, i know this isn't a bug, but I was wondering what people do when they are backing up tv shows from a bluray and don't want to do the whole disc? I was thinking a size of 4000 MB per show based on 45 minutes, but is there a way to do multiple files in one folder? I haven't messed with the Batch encoding yet, but thought this may work. My example is Season 2, Disc 1 of Mad Men. It has five episodes on it and I wanted to do something similar to a Movie-Only encode. I know my resulting project size would be ~ 20GB, but that is fine.

Thanks for any input,

raspi2

[MB2]

Ref the forced subtitles, "Taken" has just 4 subtitle tracks. Only 1 of English - so maybe there is some sort of flag thing going on?!?! Doing a full disc of "Taken" is the only way the flag appears? A movie only version, run thru Clown BD for instance, keeps the english subs on all the time, when choosing forced at the beginning.

[jwjohnson]

I found with "Da Vinci Code" that I had to include the english subs for them to show up when actors are speaking French/German but did not activate them in any way. If you choose them when playing movie (only works with full backup) you get them on all the time. I think forcing them in BD-RB does the same thing. I don't know if all movies work that way. This was a BD-25 Movie Only backup.

[meadrocks]

Somehow my Hellboy disk has gone bad. Anydvd errors out in the streams dir when I try & copy all of the dir. I did copy the 00032.m2ts file off the disk, which was 32 Gig, I assume it is the movie. What other files do I need in order to do a movie only backup of the disk?

[chompy]

I found with "Da Vinci Code" that I had to include the english subs for them to show up when actors are speaking French/German but did not activate them in any way. If you choose them when playing movie (only works with full backup) you get them on all the time. I think forcing them in BD-RB does the same thing. I don't know if all movies work that way. This was a BD-25 Movie Only backup.

I also get the forced subtitles working as it should be in movie only rips placing the subtitle track that contains them the first without enabling this track, then only subtitles with forced flag are displayed.

[Yauncle]

Hi

I've successfully rebuild a blu-ray on my laptop, using the fastest and lowest quality settings. It took 9 hours.
Now I want to try a rebuild for the *same* movie on my desktop, and I get the following error:
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
- FFDSHOW Revision: (3133)
[10:49:42] - Failed video encode, aborted
It can't really be a problem with the source as it worked on my laptop. So I tried copying the LASTCMD.TXT to a cmd and got the following error:
avs [error]: DirectShowSource: couldn't create filter graph:
CoInitialize has not been called.
(Q:\STARGATE BD25\WORKFILES\VID_00232.AVS, line 2)
x264 [error]: could not open input file `Q:\STARGATE BD25\WORKFILES\VID_00232.AVS'
STARGATE BD25 is the working folder.
I use all the packages you recommended.
I also tried reinstalling everything, so I'm out of ideas.
EDIT: Ah, using Windows 7 x64.
EDIT2: VID_00232.AVS opens fine in Virtualdubmod, so I suppose Avisynth is not the issue here.
I'd try other x264 builds but I don't know which are compatible with BD Rebuilder.

[9020V]

you oversize, it can take a long time to redo. It is also generally better to not burn to the outer edge of the disc, but everyone has there own opinion on this subject, with the belief that the quality will be higher if the disc is filled.:rolleyes:

Time is not a concern. Why is it not good to burn to the outer edges? 1.4GB seems like a HUGE buffer of unused space. I could almost put an HD audio track in there.

[jdobbs]

Time is not a concern. Why is it not good to burn to the outer edges? 1.4GB seems like a HUGE buffer of unused space. I could almost put an HD audio track in there. The outer edges are suspect on even the high-quality discs. I've been told it's a result of the manufacturing process -- but that's about all I can say except it has been proven true in my experience.

Yes, 1.4GB is a lot... and I'm increasing it a little at a time. The point is that the minimal improvement you get doesn't justify the significant risk involved in having to reaccomplish a 16 hour encode becase it is too big. In my testing I'm seeing variations of as much at 700MB in size with the same target settings for a BD-25 depending upon the source. So when someone decides to increase it very much at all -- they shouldn't be surprised when they hit the odd disc that suddenly doesn't fit... all I can say is "don't come crying to me, I warned you".

[robinsj]

I'm not exactly sure how this option works, but from the change log:

Maybe give it a try and report your findings. :)

Well this is a start, it didn't encode anything. But is there an option that i could use to where it only encodes the extras, and leaves the main movie alone except for the audio and such that I select for it to delete?

[setarip_old]

@Yauncle

Hi!

I noticed that "Stargate" is one of the few MPEG-2 BluRay discs I've come across. Therefore, I'd suggest that in the settings for FFDShow, you should make certain that MPEG-2 is set to anything other than "Disabled"...

[blusky]

Success!
I was finally able to backup my movie to a BD5 disk using BD Rebuilder with the help of Jdobbs and Capsbackup.
Wow, I was really impressed with the quality of the video. I have a Sony 40" XBR lcd tv and I could not tell the difference between original disk and the bd5 backup.The audio was perfectly synked to the video.

Jdobbs, you were not kidding when you said that X264 encoder was the best. Thanks for writing such a great program.

Thanks Jdobbs and Capsbackup for all your help. Capsbackup I will try your method next to see if I can get the aften.exe to work. :thanks::)

[Yauncle]

setarip_old, that's not the problem.
The first thing it warned me about is to set MPEG2 to libavcodec, so I did that, and it still didn't work.
Also, I tried Star Wars The Clone Wars The Movie, and it gave the same error.

[tacky187]

Has anyone successful backed up The Sixth Sense? I've backed up over 25 discs so far without a single glitch, but The Sixth Sense hangs on me. I have it set to quick rip extras. I've tried several times and it always gets to 95-98% of VID_00016 and just hangs. The app responds and moves, but it's like x264 just flat out quit for some reason. Any thoughts?

EDIT: I'll post my settings after the current disc is done processing.

[jdobbs]

Success!
I was finally able to backup my movie to a BD5 disk using BD Rebuilder with the help of Jdobbs and Capsbackup.
Wow, I was really impressed with the quality of the video. I have a Sony 40" XBR lcd tv and I could not tell the difference between original disk and the bd5 backup.The audio was perfectly synked to the video.

Jdobbs, you were not kidding when you said that X264 encoder was the best. Thanks for writing such a great program.

Thanks Jdobbs and Capsbackup for all your help. Capsbackup I will try your method next to see if I can get the aften.exe to work. :thanks::)Thanks. But the real credit goes to Dark Shikari and the others who have worked so hard on X264...

[mouw]

Also I notice that if MODE=1 in ini (movie only) it says 'selected source is not BD format' if I change back to full movie it loads the same content just fine. Vista 64 bit OS.

Illegal Source: Selected Source is not BD format

same thing happens 4me w/ Gimme Shelter
normally i have MODE=0 Movie Only as Default
when i change MODE=1 FULL over in INI file
Gimme Shelter loads fine -- NO Illegal Source ERRmsg

Vista-64 == BDrebuilder 31.06

[Willobee]

@Tacky 187

I made a full disc backup of the sixth sense to a BD25 using quick encode for extras and kept HD audio. The encoding process worked and the disc palys fine. It sounds like you may have a bad rip.

[DaMacFunkin]

Ref the forced subtitles, "Taken" has just 4 subtitle tracks. Only 1 of English - so maybe there is some sort of flag thing going on?!?! Doing a full disc of "Taken" is the only way the flag appears? A movie only version, run thru Clown BD for instance, keeps the english subs on all the time, when choosing forced at the beginning.

Havn't posted here for a while, but a long time ago i posted that there was no english forced sub title stream for the french speaking parts on this Title, there is on the dvd, but not on the blu-ray, and it is percieved that it is an authoring error / oversight, it is something that was discussed at length and confirmed in another movie specific forum.

[jdobbs]

Hi

I've successfully rebuild a blu-ray on my laptop, using the fastest and lowest quality settings. It took 9 hours.
Now I want to try a rebuild for the *same* movie on my desktop, and I get the following error:
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
- FFDSHOW Revision: (3133)
[10:49:42] - Failed video encode, aborted
It can't really be a problem with the source as it worked on my laptop. So I tried copying the LASTCMD.TXT to a cmd and got the following error:
avs [error]: DirectShowSource: couldn't create filter graph:
CoInitialize has not been called.
(Q:\STARGATE BD25\WORKFILES\VID_00232.AVS, line 2)
x264 [error]: could not open input file `Q:\STARGATE BD25\WORKFILES\VID_00232.AVS'
STARGATE BD25 is the working folder.
I use all the packages you recommended.
I also tried reinstalling everything, so I'm out of ideas.
EDIT: Ah, using Windows 7 x64.
EDIT2: VID_00232.AVS opens fine in Virtualdubmod, so I suppose Avisynth is not the issue here.
I'd try other x264 builds but I don't know which are compatible with BD Rebuilder. Are you using:

1. The FFDSHOW, AVISYNTH, and HAALI builds that are in the first post of this thread?

2. The version of X264 that was shipped with BD-RB?

[DVDIT]

The outer edges are suspect on even the high-quality discs. I've been told it's a result of the manufacturing process -- but that's about all I can say except it has been proven true in my experience.

Yes, 1.4GB is a lot... and I'm increasing it a little at a time. The point is that the minimal improvement you get doesn't justify the significant risk involved in having to reaccomplish a 16 hour encode becase it is too big. In my testing I'm seeing variations of as much at 700MB in size with the same target settings for a BD-25 depending upon the source. So when someone decides to increase it very much at all -- they shouldn't be surprised when they hit the odd disc that suddenly doesn't fit... all I can say is "don't come crying to me, I warned you".

jdobbs,

I have used custom size 23450 MB for BD-25 and 8152 MB for BD-9 backups and so far I have not encountered any problem. However, I want to avoid any potential problem later on. So, should I refrain from using these custom sizes and just use the default BR-25 and BD-9 option instead ?

[jdobbs]

jdobbs,

I have used custom size 23450 MB for BD-25 and 8152 MB for BD-9 backups and so far I have not encountered any problem. However, I want to avoid any potential problem later on. So, should I refrain from using these custom sizes and just use the default BR-25 and BD-9 option instead ? You're probably ok with that size. The default setting for BD-25 within BD-RB has been 23000 -- but I've recently changed it to 23400 for v0.21.07. The 23000 setting was giving me output that averaged around 21.8 - 21.9GB (~23,489,500,000 bytes), but the variation could be pretty large. A fully packed BD-R should be about 23866kb (23.3GB).

I'll how the new size works out -- if I get a lot of oversizing reports (I don't expect to), I'll back it back down.

[DVDIT]

You're probably ok with that size. The default setting for BD-25 within BD-RB has been 23000 -- but I've recently changed it to 23400 for v0.21.07. The 23000 setting was giving me output that averaged around 21.8 - 21.9GB (~23,489,500,000 bytes), but the variation could be pretty large.

Thanks. I don't remember the exact size but on my last backup, I noticed the output was 25,150,xxx,xxx. In Imgburn, I saw the output size was bigger than the disc space available, but burn went fine. I will pay close attention to the output size on my next backup.

[jdobbs]

Thanks. I don't remember the exact size but on my last backup, I noticed the output was 25,150,xxx,xxx. In Imgburn, I saw the output size was bigger than the disc space available, but burn went fine. I will pay close attention to the output size on my next backup.Hmmm... then it may be too large.

[PurpleMan]

@jdobbs:

Hey :)

As you know, I'm a pretty active beta-tester, I've used most versions of BD-RB up until now and also reported quite a few bugs which you eventually fixed. I wanted to ask for your opinion on a few things:

1) When using PROCESS_SECONDARY=0 to remove PiP, I've noticed you are not removing reference to the secondary tracks from MPLS files. Are you sure this is the right approach? You're leaving references to non-existing video (0x1B00) and audio (0x1A00) tracks. I noticed that PowerDVD 9, for instance, has problems with that causing it to crash when starting to play the bad title (I have verified that the missing tracks were indeed the cause).

2) When having a DD+ secondary audio track, you mux it using tsMuxer as a regular audio track (mapping to a track number like 0x110X instead of 0x1A0X). While you do update the MPLS accordingly, my testing showed that TotalMedia Theatre 3 in some cases does not like that and causes it to play the video choppy (I have verified that this was indeed the cause).

While I do realize these are software players, we must not ignore the fact that both these player play every single original disc I have ever given them, but they do fail on certain backups from various causes (like the abovementioned). If we want to strive for 100% compatibility, I think these issues need to be addressed. Just my 2 cents. What do you think?

[Priapismic]

I believe this may be a bug in BD-Rebuilder;

When browsing the internet with BD-Rebuilder chugging along happily, someone may call which activates Net Waiting.
Net Waiting will minimize all windows and show it's GUI offering various choices. No matter what choice I make (usually I accept the call), I will be unable to restore BD_Rebuilder's GUI. It will continue working - and finish the task, but, cannot be maximized back to it's former state to view it's progress or make choices.

It is still working but the maximize toggle is inactive, as is restore. Curiously, it gets minimized to the desktop, not the taskbar from whence it came.
It is the only program I have ever seen do this.
Anyway, thanks for a great program!

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs:

Hey :)

As you know, I'm a pretty active beta-tester, I've used most versions of BD-RB up until now and also reported quite a few bugs which you eventually fixed. I wanted to ask for your opinion on a few things:

1) When using PROCESS_SECONDARY=0 to remove PiP, I've noticed you are not removing reference to the secondary tracks from MPLS files. Are you sure this is the right approach? You're leaving references to non-existing video (0x1B00) and audio (0x1A00) tracks. I noticed that PowerDVD 9, for instance, has problems with that causing it to crash when starting to play the bad title (I have verified that the missing tracks were indeed the cause).

2) When having a DD+ secondary audio track, you mux it using tsMuxer as a regular audio track (mapping to a track number like 0x110X instead of 0x1A0X). While you do update the MPLS accordingly, my testing showed that TotalMedia Theatre 3 in some cases does not like that and causes it to play the video choppy (I have verified that this was indeed the cause).

While I do realize these are software players, we must not ignore the fact that both these player play every single original disc I have ever given them, but they do fail on certain backups from various causes (like the abovementioned). If we want to strive for 100% compatibility, I think these issues need to be addressed. Just my 2 cents. What do you think?1) I worry that if I remove them, it may cause more problems because of the possibility of commands referencing them. Maybe I'll remap them to something else.

2) The problem is that TSMUXER doesn't allow you to choose the stream number -- it assigns them based upon the order thay are presented. I can pretty easlily scan the M2TS and change the PID back to what is normally used for secondaries -- but it takes forever... let me think about it.

[jdobbs]

I believe this may be a bug in BD-Rebuilder;

When browsing the internet with BD-Rebuilder chugging along happily, someone may call which activates Net Waiting.
Net Waiting will minimize all windows and show it's GUI offering various choices. No matter what choice I make (usually I accept the call), I will be unable to restore BD_Rebuilder's GUI. It will continue working - and finish the task, but, cannot be maximized back to it's former state to view it's progress or make choices.

As you can see from the attached image it is still working but the maximize toggle is inactive, as is restore. Curiously, it gets minimized to the desktop, not the taskbar from whence it came.
It is the only program I have ever seen do this.
Anyway, thanks for a great program!
Sounds more like a bug in Net Waiting to me...

[PurpleMan]

1) I worry that if I remove them, it may cause more problems because of the possibility of commands referencing them. Maybe I'll remap them to something else.

2) The problem is that TSMUXER doesn't allow you to choose the stream number -- it assigns them based upon the order thay are presented. I can pretty easlily scan the M2TS and change the PID back to what is normally used for secondaries -- but it takes forever... let me think about it.

1) I agree. Maybe a good solution would be replacing the secondary video track with a black video of the same length (easily generated using an avisynth script) and encoding it at a very minimal bitrate. Same idea could be applied to audio. That way we save the space but still keep compliance.

2) I know about TSMUXER's limitation. I definitely think you should at least offer an option to scan the m2ts and change the PID to match the original. Sure, it will take some more time (not *that* much much, actually), but at least you'll get an output more closely matching the source.

Edit: Also, do you know of any software that can alter the PID's of an M2TS? (So I can do some testings of my own).

[Yauncle]

Are you using:

1. The FFDSHOW, AVISYNTH, and HAALI builds that are in the first post of this thread?

2. The version of X264 that was shipped with BD-RB?

Yes, I am. I also reinstalled all of them at least twice.

[DVDIT]

I watched part of backup of "Taken" and no English subtitle when other language is spoken. Don't understand what they are talking about. I didn't know of this problem when I did my backup to BD-9. Is there anyway to force the subtitles to come on automatically when other language other than Engish is spoken?

[DVDIT]

I also get the forced subtitles working as it should be in movie only rips placing the subtitle track that contains them the first without enabling this track, then only subtitles with forced flag are displayed.

Can you elaborate a bit more. I am a bit confused and don't really understand what you did to overcome the issue. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

1) I agree. Maybe a good solution would be replacing the secondary video track with a black video of the same length (easily generated using an avisynth script) and encoding it at a very minimal bitrate. Same idea could be applied to audio. That way we save the space but still keep compliance.

2) I know about TSMUXER's limitation. I definitely think you should at least offer an option to scan the m2ts and change the PID to match the original. Sure, it will take some more time (not *that* much much, actually), but at least you'll get an output more closely matching the source.

Edit: Also, do you know of any software that can alter the PID's of an M2TS? (So I can do some testings of my own). I wrote my own for testing I've done in the past... I'll dig around and see if I can find it. I'm not sure that it would help, though, because you'll also have to change all the references in the MPLS -- and that's not as simple as you may think, as they are referenced directly and indirectly in several places.

[shabana]

HI I GOT COUPLE OF ASIAN FILMS SOME HAD NO PROBLEM WITH BD REBUILDER BUT SOME HAVE ERROr CAN SOME ONE HELP ME PLEASE THESE DISCS WERE MADE IN TAWIAN I GET THIS ERROR 01/26/10 [18:41:54] SourceCheck() 00006 2501