BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

Can you post your settings (the contents of the BDREBUILDER.INI file)?

Note this in your log, it's probably the root of the problem:

- Resize: 1080p to 720p enabled
- Convert: 1280x720, 50.000fps, 21,882 frames

[Weirdo]

Can you post your settings (the contents of the BDREBUILDER.INI file)?
Oh ok, sorry. I now see in the preview that the 1080p/24 files do not display video speed issues (with the same LAV/YADIF setting enabled) but the audio goes out of sync. The 1080i/25 ones are worse, as described.

[Options]
ENABLE_TEST=1
VERSION=0.50.0.23
FORCE_ENCODE=1
FIXED_CRF=19
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=1
ONEPASS_ENCODING=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=1
RESIZE_1440=0
RESIZE_720=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
IGNORE_3D=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
WIDE_PERCENT=100
WIDE_OFFSET=1
DTS_REENCODE=1
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AUDIO_DRC=0
DECODER=0
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
NEROAAC=0
SUPTITLE=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=7000
MINIMIZE_TO_TRAY=1
TARGET_SIZE=4469
PGSTOSRT=0
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=11
ALTCRF=19
ALT_TARGET=1024
ALT_CRF_TARGET=1024
ALTMETHOD=0
ALTAUTOCROP=0
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=
WORKING_PATH=

[bebopper]

I've not posted before, but recently experiencing some issues, all 1080i source related (both 23.97 & 29.97fps content). This started happening with v0.50.19, which prompted a switch to v0.50.23 but with same results. The output video is 1920x2160i, fps is unchanged, but audio is then out of sync with video (audio plays faster, I think). I'm using all suggested ffdshow settings. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

My BD-RB settings are as follows:
VERSION=0.50.0.23
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
RESIZE_720=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
IGNORE_3D=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=1
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AUDIO_DRC=0
DECODER=4
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
NEROAAC=0
SUPTITLE=0
PGSTOSRT=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SHUTDOWN_SLEEP=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=4574
TARGET_SIZE=26550
AUTO_BURN=0

[thekiller]

1. Please post the contents of your ALTERNATE.TXT file so I can see if it's entered correctly.
2. Are any other encodes working?
3. As gonca suggested, please post INSPECT results.

hello, thank you for the reponse

# The options below show up in the Alternate Output Dialog
# Settings:
# caption=Text to show on alternate selection list
# vEncoder=Video encoder, 0=x264 (default), 1=x265, 2=HC Encoder (MPEG-2)
# Note: A cType of 3 or 4 (see below) forces MPEG-2 via HCEncoder
# vBitrate=Bitrate to use for two-pass video encoding, * = variable (DVD only)
# aBitrate=Bitrate to use for audio encoding, * = automatic (constant quality encode, not allowed for iPod & iPad)
# aType=Output Audio Type, 0=AC3, 1=AAC (Note: Audio bitrate less than 384Kbs implies stereo downmix)
# 2=[Intact audio -- MKV & MP4 only]
# vFormat=Video Format: 0=320x240/180, 1= 480x360/270, 2= 640x480/360, 3= 1024x768/576,
# 4= 1280x720, 5= 1920x1080, 6= 720x480/576, 7= No Resizing, 8=Intact
# vKeyint=Video GOP size (interval): Default=24, "Auto" = 10x framerate (MKV & MP4 only)
# cType= Container/limits type, 0=iPod (mp4), 1=MKV, 2=iPad (mp4), 3=DVD-5, 4=DVD-9, 5=MP4 6=iPad 2+ (MP4)

[00001]
caption=DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
vBitrate=*
aBitrate=*
aType=0
vFormat=6
cType=3
[00002]
caption=DVD-9, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
vBitrate=*
aBitrate=*
aType=0
vFormat=6
cType=4
[00003]
caption=iPod MP4, 640x480/360, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=583
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=2
cType=0
[00004]
caption=iPod MP4, 480x360/270, 112Kbs AAC
vBitrate=421
aBitrate=112
aType=1
vFormat=1
cType=0
[00005]
caption=iPod MP4, 320x240/180, 64Kbs AAC
vBitrate=281
aBitrate=96
aType=1
vFormat=0
cType=0
[00006]
caption=MKV Container, 720x480/576, 128Kbs AC3
vBitrate=872
aBitrate=128
aType=0
vFormat=6
cType=1
[00007]
caption=MKV Container, 1280x720, 192Kbs AC3
vBitrate=1230
aBitrate=192
aType=0
vFormat=4
cType=1
[00008]
caption=MKV Container, 1280x720, 448Kbs DD5.1
vBitrate=1230
aBitrate=448
aType=0
vFormat=4
cType=1
[00009]
caption=MKV Container, 1920x1080, 192Kbs AC3
vBitrate=1941
aBitrate=192
aType=0
vFormat=5
cType=1
[00010]
caption=MKV Container, 1920x1080, 640Kbs DD5.1
vBitrate=1941
aBitrate=640
aType=0
vFormat=5
cType=1
[00011]
caption=MKV Container, 1920x1080, Intact Audio
vBitrate=3000
aBitrate=0
aType=2
vFormat=5
cType=1
[00012]
caption=iPad MP4 HD, 1280x720, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=1500
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=4
cType=2
[00013]
caption=iPad MP4 HD, 1024x768/576, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=1009
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=3
cType=2
[00014]
caption=iPad MP4 SD, 640x480/360, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=583
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=2
cType=2
[00015]
caption=iPad MP4 SD, 480x360/270, 112Kbs AAC
vBitrate=421
aBitrate=112
aType=1
vFormat=1
cType=2
[00016]
caption=iPad MP4 SD, 720x480/576, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=872
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=6
cType=2
[00017]
caption=MKV Container, 1920x1080, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=3000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=5
cType=1
[00018]
caption=MKV Container, 1280x720, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=4
cType=1
[00019]
caption=MP4 Container, 1920x1080, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=3000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=5
vKeyint=Auto
cType=5
[00020]
caption=MP4 Container, 1280x720, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=4
vKeyint=Auto
cType=5
[00021]
caption=MP4 Container, NO_RESIZE, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=7
vKeyint=Auto
cType=5
[00022]
caption=MKV Container, NO_RESIZE, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=7
vKeyint=Auto
cType=1
[00023]
caption=iPad 2+/iPhone 4s+, 1920x1080, 160Kbs AAC
vBitrate=3000
aBitrate=160
aType=1
vFormat=5
cType=6
[00024]
caption=iPad 2+/iPhone 4s+, 1280x720, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=4
cType=6
[00025]
caption=iPad 2+/iPhone 4s+, 720x480/576, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=872
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=6
cType=6
[00026]
caption=MP4, Intact Video, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=8
vKeyint=Auto
cType=5
[00027]
caption=MKV, Intact Video, AutoGOP, Auto-AAC
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=8
vKeyint=Auto
cType=1
[00028]
caption=MKV, Intact Video, Intact Audio
aType=2
vFormat=8
cType=1
[00029]
caption=MP4, Intact Video, Intact Audio
aType=2
vFormat=8
cType=5
[00030]
caption=MKV Container, 720x480/576, Intact Audio
vBitrate=872
aType=2
vFormat=6
cType=1
[00031]
caption=MP4 Container, Full-SBS (3D), Intact Audio
vBitrate=4000
aType=2
vFormat=7
cType=5
[00032]
caption=MKV Container, Full-SBS (3D), Intact Audio
vBitrate=4000
aType=2
vFormat=7
cType=1
[00033]
caption=MKV Container, HEVC 1920x1080, Auto-AAC
vEncoder=1
vBitrate=2000
vKeyint=Auto
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=5
cType=1
[00034]
caption=MKV Container, HEVC 1280x720, Auto-AAC
vEncoder=1
vBitrate=1300
vKeyint=Auto
aBitrate=*
aType=1
vFormat=4
cType=1
[00035]
caption=MKV Container, HEVC Full-SBS 3D,Auto-AAC
vEncoder=1
vBitrate=2000
vKeyint=Auto
aType=1
aBitrate=*
vFormat=7
cType=1
[00036]
caption=MKV Container, HEVC Half-SBS 3D, Intact Audio
vEncoder=1
vBitrate=2000
vKeyint=Auto
aType=2
vFormat=5
cType=1
[00037]
caption=MKV Container, NO_RESIZE, AutoGOP, Auto-AC3
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=0
vFormat=7
vKeyint=Auto
cType=1
[00038]
caption=MP4 Container, NO_RESIZE, AutoGOP, Auto-AC3
vBitrate=2000
aBitrate=*
aType=0
vFormat=7
vKeyint=Auto
cType=5
[00039]
caption=MKV Container, HEVC 1920x1080, 448Kbs DD5.1
vEncoder=1
vBitrate=2000
vKeyint=Auto
aBitrate=448
aType=0
vFormat=5
cType=1


INSPECT -->

[02/20/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.23
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Working Path Free Space: 3*242,76GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[02/20/17] Systems Settings Check complete


On the other hand it takes me by default not the video bonn of the film, it takes me a long version!

[jdobbs]

I've not posted before, but recently experiencing some issues, all 1080i source related (both 23.97 & 29.97fps content). This started happening with v0.50.19, which prompted a switch to v0.50.23 but with same results. The output video is 1920x2160i, fps is unchanged, but audio is then out of sync with video (audio plays faster, I think). I'm using all suggested ffdshow settings. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.1. 1920x2160i ? Is it a 3D source? If so, how could it have been interlaced?
2. Audio plays faster? I don't see how that is even possible -- it is never adjusted.

[bebopper]

1. 1920x2160i ? Is it a 3D source? If so, how could it have been interlaced?
2. Audio plays faster? I don't see how that is even possible -- it is never adjusted.

1. Not a 3D source; titles I'm having trouble with are nature documentaries from BBC or (US) PBS Nature. I really don't know how the output becomes interlaced (goes from 1920x1080i 16:9, verified with BDInfo, VLC player etc, to 1920x2160i 8:9). As you can see from my settings, I use almost all default settings except choosing a custom target size and whether to convert DTS to DD. I've tried turning deinterlacer off, but output is exactly the same.

2. By audio playing faster, I mean relative to the video image, after BD-RB processing. The audio becomes out of sync with video very quickly when starting from the beginning.

I just noticed there is the "IVTC with 3:2 pulldown" option in setup menu, which I've not tried before, should I try it to see what the output looks like? Thanks.

[jdobbs]

1. Not a 3D source; titles I'm having trouble with are nature documentaries from BBC or (US) PBS Nature. I really don't know how the output becomes interlaced (goes from 1920x1080i 16:9, verified with BDInfo, VLC player etc, to 1920x2160i 8:9). As you can see from my settings, I use almost all default settings except choosing a custom target size and whether to convert DTS to DD. I've tried turning deinterlacer off, but output is exactly the same.

2. By audio playing faster, I mean relative to the video image, after BD-RB processing. The audio becomes out of sync with video very quickly when starting from the beginning.

I just noticed there is the "IVTC with 3:2 pulldown" option in setup menu, which I've not tried before, should I try it to see what the output looks like? Thanks.I'm definitely confused. BD-RB hasn't even an option to possibly output 1920x2160i.

Are you using a Blu-Ray disc as your source, or are you importing first?

[bebopper]

I'm definitely confused. BD-RB hasn't even an option to possibly output 1920x2160i.

Are you using a Blu-Ray disc as your source, or are you importing first?

I've tried processing from a ripped BD image to HDD and from a main movie only BD file structure extracted from ripped BD image (using clownBD), but not direct from BD. In both cases I've tried, the results are the same.

So, I misspoke in my earlier post. The BD-RB processed video playback is faster than the audio, not the other way around. Sorry.

And, thinking about it more, the IVTC with 3:2 pulldown option won't help since I'm not looking to convert into a "film". Apologize for the brain fart. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

I've tried processing from a ripped BD image to HDD and from a main movie only BD file structure extracted from ripped BD image (using clownBD), but not direct from BD. In both cases I've tried, the results are the same.

So, I misspoke in my earlier post. The BD-RB processed video playback is faster than the audio, not the other way around. Sorry.

And, thinking about it more, the IVTC with 3:2 pulldown option won't help since I'm not looking to convert into a "film". Apologize for the brain fart. Thanks.This one is weird. Can you post the log?

[bebopper]

This one is weird. Can you post the log?

Ok, here are 2 logs: (1) used BD-RB on just the main movie, (2) used BD-RB on blu-ray disk image:

----------------------
[02/05/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[21:56:10] Source: SUPER_HUMMINGBIRDS_PCM
- Input BD size: 13.04 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:52:59.209]
- Target BD size: 4.58 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMSource
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[21:56:10] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:56:10] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [21:56:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [21:58:30] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 95,281 frames
- Bitrate: 10,749 Kbs
- [21:58:30] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [22:29:47] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [23:43:09] Video Encode complete
- [23:43:09] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [23:43:26] Multiplexing M2TS
[23:44:11]PHASE ONE complete
[23:44:11]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [23:44:11] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[23:44:11] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- Computer SLEEP initiated.
[06:11:41] JOB: SUPER_HUMMINGBIRDS_DTS-CORE finished.
----------------------
[02/06/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[06:30:12] Source: SUPER_HUMMINGBIRDS
- Input BD size: 14.18 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:54:09.421]
- Target BD size: 4.53 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMSource
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[06:30:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [06:30:12] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 5)
- [06:30:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [06:30:20] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,382 frames
- Bitrate: 10,762 Kbs
- [06:30:20] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:30:52] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:32:07] Video Encode complete
- [06:32:07] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Keeping original audio
- [06:32:07] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:32:12] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 5)
- [06:32:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [06:32:15] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 217 frames
- Bitrate: 632 Kbs
- [06:32:15] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:32:17] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:32:19] Video Encode complete
- [06:32:19] Processing audio tracks
- [06:32:19] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:32:23] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 5)
- [06:32:23] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [06:32:27] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 225 frames
- Bitrate: 7,998 Kbs
- [06:32:27] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:32:32] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:32:42] Video Encode complete
- [06:32:42] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [06:32:42] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:32:46] Processing: VID_00003 (4 of 5)
- [06:32:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [06:32:50] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 225 frames
- Bitrate: 9,086 Kbs
- [06:32:50] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:32:55] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:33:05] Video Encode complete
- [06:33:05] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [06:33:06] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:33:09] Processing: VID_00004 (5 of 5)
- [06:33:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [06:35:31] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 95,282 frames
- Bitrate: 10,394 Kbs
- [06:35:31] Reencoding: VID_00004, Pass 1 of 2
- [07:07:29] Reencoding: VID_00004, Pass 2 of 2
- [08:20:37] Video Encode complete
- [08:20:37] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [08:20:56] Multiplexing M2TS
[08:22:08]PHASE ONE complete
[08:22:08]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [08:22:08] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[08:22:08] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- Computer SLEEP initiated.
[08:34:25] JOB: SUPER_HUMMINGBIRDS finished.

Thanks very much for your help.

[jdobbs]

- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMSource1. Have you tried using a different decoder than FRIMSource? I'd like to see if that is related to the issue. I'd suggest using LAV filters. It seems to be likely more than coincidence that FRIMSource is used most often for 3D encoding (such as O/U) -- and your output is doubling the horizontal size.

2. Are you using the version of FRIM that is included with BD-RB, or have you "upgraded"?

[colinhunt]

Only for movie-only backups. But, as I said, it's likely something other than in-mux -- since that is a standard backup that is also present on commercial discs. I suspect you are blaming the wrong problem.
That's certainly possible. What do you think is behind my PS4 playing those inmux-titles in 2D only?

I'd like to test SSIF output, even if it's for movie-only backup. What hidden options do I need to set for that? Thank you!

[marco421]

this is a new issue. on the last 2 movies I decoded (inferno and Jason bourne) the sound quit due to cineavia. the bd-rb version I used was 50.23. unfortunately, I don't remember if I've gotten a playable movie using that version. I know that version 50.21 works ok. how do I get around being bitten by cineavia or do I just go back to an older version?

[gonca]

how do I get around being bitten by cineavia

BD_RB doesn't deal with Cinavia, never has.

Get a player that doesn't enforce Cinavia

[jdobbs]

this is a new issue. on the last 2 movies I decoded (inferno and Jason bourne) the sound quit due to cineavia. the bd-rb version I used was 50.23. unfortunately, I don't remember if I've gotten a playable movie using that version. I know that version 50.21 works ok. how do I get around being bitten by cineavia or do I just go back to an older version?BD-RB can't attempt to defeat any type of protection mechanism -- otherwise it would be illegal in the U.S. and would get shut down.

There is software out there that can remove cinavia -- but mechanisms for defeating copyright protection isn't the purpose of this thread, so it's better to discuss it elsewhere.

[bebopper]

1. Have you tried using a different decoder than FRIMSource? I'd like to see if that is related to the issue. I'd suggest using LAV filters. It seems to be likely more than coincidence that FRIMSource is used most often for 3D encoding (such as O/U) -- and your output is doubling the horizontal size.

2. Are you using the version of FRIM that is included with BD-RB, or have you "upgraded"?

No, I've just been using whatever BD-RB's default setup is (i.e. no upgrading). I'll be happy to try with LAV filters. To do so, is it simply de-selecting "use FRIMSource for frame serving" option and selecting "Use x264's internal LAVF for frame serving" in BD-RB's setup? If some other change required, I'll need a pointer as to how to make that selection/change. Thanks.

[gonca]

No, I've just been using whatever BD-RB's default setup is (i.e. no upgrading). I'll be happy to try with LAV filters. To do so, is it simply de-selecting "use FRIMSource for frame serving" option and selecting "Use x264's internal LAVF for frame serving" in BD-RB's setup? If some other change required, I'll need a pointer as to how to make that selection/change. Thanks.

Select use DirectShowSource
Frim isn't the "Default"

[bebopper]

Select use DirectShowSource
Frim isn't the "Default"

Thank you, gonca. If FRIMSource is not the BD-RB default, I don't know how I ended up with that selected....

[jdobbs]

Thank you, gonca. If FRIMSource is not the BD-RB default, I don't know how I ended up with that selected....If you didn't install LAV Filters or FFDSHOW it might have ended up there.

I wasn't talking about LAVF in X264 (although that would be fine to test as well). I was talking about LAV Filters. See the first post of this thread for instructions on how to install.

[Lathe]

this is a new issue. on the last 2 movies I decoded (inferno and Jason bourne) the sound quit due to cineavia. the bd-rb version I used was 50.23. unfortunately, I don't remember if I've gotten a playable movie using that version. I know that version 50.21 works ok. how do I get around being bitten by cineavia or do I just go back to an older version?

I have an older OPPO BDP-83 that is still considered one of the finest Blu-ray players if you don't need streaming or 3D. It is Pre-Cinavia. I don't remember when OPPO had to begin implementing Cinavia in their players. You can get my model and others all over the place, eBay, etc. They still really hold their value...

[MrVideo]

I don't remember when OPPO had to begin implementing Cinavia in their players.
All Blu-ray players that were built in Feb 2012, and after, were required to have Cinavia detection.

[bebopper]

If you didn't install LAV Filters or FFDSHOW it might have ended up there.

I wasn't talking about LAVF in X264 (although that would be fine to test as well). I was talking about LAV Filters. See the first post of this thread for instructions on how to install.

I did indeed install both LAV filters and FFDSHOW from the start, so still not sure how I ended up with FRIMSource selected. In any case, the good news is in switching frame serving choice to DirectshowSource, post processed videos are now as they should be (though still interlaced; I thought the x264 encoder turns into progressive?; will need to check previous logs with interlaced source to confirm). Thank you jdobbs and gonca for your help in getting this resolved.

[jdobbs]

I did indeed install both LAV filters and FFDSHOW from the start, so still not sure how I ended up with FRIMSource selected. In any case, the good news is in switching frame serving choice to DirectshowSource, post processed videos are now as they should be (though still interlaced; I thought the x264 encoder turns into progressive?; will need to check previous logs with interlaced source to confirm). Thank you jdobbs and gonca for your help in getting this resolved.They won't be made progressive unless you have selected "Use DEINTERLACER on interlaced sources" from the SETUP menu. The default is to keep them in their original format.

Glad it fixed it for you -- but there is obviously a problem in the way I'm using FRIMSource() -- so I still have a bug to fix.

[bebopper]

They won't be made progressive unless you have selected "Use DEINTERLACER on interlaced sources" from the SETUP menu. The default is to keep them in their original format.


Thanks, jdobbs for the explanation. One option I always have selected is "use DEINTERLACER", which explains why I thought all interlaced videos post processing are progressive.... except for this latest Hummingbird one. Not a big issue, and I'm not asking for more cycles to be spent on this, especially since you already FRIMSource() to address. Again, thanks very much for your help.

[MrVideo]

Thanks, jdobbs for the explanation. One option I always have selected is "use DEINTERLACER" ...
Why do you want to de-interlace 1080i material that is sourced from video cameras? If the 1080i material is from a 23.976 source, then it needs to be IVTC'd, not de-interlaced.

The reason for not de-interlacing 1080i raw video is that you remove 1/2 of the time spatial information. Instead of objects moving at 59.94 times per second, they are now moving at 29.97 times per second. You also compromise some of the vertical resolution as well. The software has to combine two field images into a single frame. If the images are drastically different, it becomes a WAG as to what the new image should look like. The software has gotten better in this regard, but losing 1/2 of time spatial info is a downer.

Just my opinion. :D

[jdobbs]

Why do you want to de-interlace 1080i material that is sourced from video cameras? If the 1080i material is from a 23.976 source, then it needs to be IVTC'd, not de-interlaced.

The reason for not de-interlacing 1080i raw video is that you remove 1/2 of the time spatial information. Instead of objects moving at 59.94 times per second, they are now moving at 29.97 times per second. You also compromise some of the vertical resolution as well. The software has to combine two field images into a single frame. If the images are drastically different, it becomes a WAG as to what the new image should look like. The software has gotten better in this regard, but losing 1/2 of time spatial info is a downer.

Just my opinion. :DAgreed. The only time I can see a good reason is if you are playing it back on a device that can't handle actual interlaced sources (like a computer w/monitor). Of course a computer/monitor will most likely have the ability to deinterlace at playback.

[thekiller]

hello, thank you for the reponse

# The options below show up in the Alternate Output Dialog
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INSPECT -->

[02/20/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.23
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Working Path Free Space: 3*242,76GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[02/20/17] Systems Settings Check complete


On the other hand it takes me by default not the video bonn of the film, it takes me a long version!

For this to happen I first converted:
Caption = MKV, Intact Video, Intact Audio
AType = 2
VFormat = 8
CType = 1

And then I reconvert to hevc

Caption = MKV Container, HEVC No Resizing, Intact Audio
VEncoder = 1
VBitrate = 2000
VKeyint = Auto
AType = 2
VFormat = 7
CType = 1

And I have no more

thank

[gonca]

Just wondering
Why do you convert twice?
Why not convert the first time to
MKV Container, HEVC No Resizing, Intact Audio

Or use the source to convert to both formats

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I have an older OPPO BDP-83 that is still considered one of the finest Blu-ray players if you don't need streaming or 3D. It is Pre-Cinavia. I don't remember when OPPO had to begin implementing Cinavia in their players. You can get my model and others all over the place, eBay, etc. They still really hold their value...

Not meaning to sidetrack this thread but in reply to this:

The Oppo BDP-8x and BDP-9x players were free of Cinavia. Beginning with the BDP-10x players and onward Cinavia has been manditorily implemented.

[thekiller]

Just wondering
Why do you convert twice?
Why not convert the first time to


Or use the source to convert to both formats

The first is the bluray in x264 and after I re import the mkv obtained in bdrebuilder and I do a reencoding in hevc

[HWK]

The first is the bluray in x264 and after I re import the mkv obtained in bdrebuilder and I do a reencoding in hevc

You can go from Blu-ray to hevc directly. Yes it will output mkv file.

[thekiller]

Not most of the time it works but not on some

[HWK]

Not most of the time it works but not on some

Can you share example which doesn't work.

[HWK]

@ Jdobbs for alternate output can I request option to have ability to downconvert DTS-HD to DTS.
Currently it only accept ac3, aac, and intact. I was think to add third option dts-hd to dts

[jdobbs]

Not most of the time it works but not on someIt works every time I've tried it -- and I'm pretty sure I've tried it more than anyone else on the planet.

[HWK]

@ Jdobbs for alternate output can I request option to have ability to downconvert DTS-HD to DTS.
Currently it only accept ac3, aac, and intact. I was think to add third option dts-hd to dts

Never mind I found it.

[thekiller]

Can you share example which doesn't work.

rebelle and the Magnificient seven

[jdobbs]

Never mind I found it.Yeah. You just have to uncheck "Keep HD Audio" in the SETUP dialog.

[thekiller]

It works every time I've tried it -- and I'm pretty sure I've tried it more than anyone else on the planet.

I did not say that it did not work all the time but on some movies at home I am obliged to do in x264 at first and then redo from x264 to hevc. By cons I just try the automatic cropping and it cuts me part of the video has the vertical

[jdobbs]

rebelle and the Magnificient sevenI'll test it on "The Magnificent Seven" later today -- but I'm pretty sure it will work. I assume you are talking about the 2016 version.

[raul124]

hi everyone, what's the different between x264 and HEVC?

[jfcarbel]

What is the default AC3 encoder used in BD Rebuilder and can and should it be replaced with something else for highest AQ?

I could only find only and older FAQ that mentioned it used Aften and that encoder had some quality issues.

[jdobbs]

What is the default AC3 encoder used in BD Rebuilder and can and should it be replaced with something else for highest AQ?

I could only find only and older FAQ that mentioned it used Aften and that encoder had some quality issues.The default is Aften. There's always someone who will say something negative about anything. I can only say that IMHO the version of Aften included with BD-RB is a very good AC3 encoder and rivals commercial encoders. The only valid criticism would be that it hasn't been in development for a long while. If someone would point out a better AC3 encoder that is either free or very inexpensive and readily available -- it wouldn't be that hard to implement an alternative.

The funny thing is that I've read comments about other options (that people say are better) that actually use the Aften library as their engine.

[thekiller]

I'll test it on "The Magnificent Seven" later today -- but I'm pretty sure it will work. I assume you are talking about the 2016 version.

Yes version 2016 with cinavia encryption

[MrVideo]

If someone would point out a better AC3 encoder that is either free or very inexpensive and readily available -- it wouldn't be that hard to implement an alternative.
I personally also use aften. It is a relatively quick encoder. That said, ffmpeg will do AC3 and well as EAC3.

[MrVideo]

Yes version 2016 with cinavia encryption
Just to clarify, Cinavia is not any kind of encryption. It is a watermark.

[jdobbs]

Just to clarify, Cinavia is not any kind of encryption. It is a watermark.Yeah, it would be better to call it "copyright protection". Or more accurately: "A way to make you pay for something, but not really be able to use it the way you want".

[LowDead]

Update to the AVCHD problem... By chance I tried today full backup BD5 with Java menus in the old Sony, and guess what... it worked! :)

I haven't checked yet, but is it done "the old way" when Java menus is located on the disc?

[jdobbs]

Update to the AVCHD problem... By chance I tried today full backup BD5 with Java menus in the old Sony, and guess what... it worked! :)

I haven't checked yet, but is it done "the old way" when Java menus is located on the disc?Yeah. My old Sony would play full backups with Java too. It was much better back before Sony "fixed" all their players.

Yes. It is done the "old way" when there is Java. There isn't a choice, since it can't do a legal AVCHD disc. It's simply a full BD backup. Just a warning, though -- there are fewer and fewer players these days that will play those kinds of discs.

[jfcarbel]

The default is Aften. There's always someone who will say something negative about anything. I can only say that IMHO the version of Aften included with BD-RB is a very good AC3 encoder and rivals commercial encoders. The only valid criticism would be that it hasn't been in development for a long while. If someone would point out a better AC3 encoder that is either free or very inexpensive and readily available -- it wouldn't be that hard to implement an alternative.

The funny thing is that I've read comments about other options (that people say are better) that actually use the Aften library as their engine.

Thanks, great to know, was just asking, don't have an opinion myself.