BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[setarip_old]

@freax13

Hi!Old movies before Avatar worked great but since then, they get this error message or wont start.For initial ripping of the original disc, are you using the most current version of either AnyDVDHD, MakeMKV, or DVDFab Passkey?

[freax13]

I tried like 3 new movies to fit them in a single layer disc, one of them is alice in wonderland. I have a PS3. The weird thing is that only has happend with recently released movies, and they dont work in some players, so I asumed that maybe should have been some files corrupted or some kind of new protection on the discs because before Avatar there wasnt any problem with any player I tried.

[jdobbs]

Where has "Alice In Wonderland" been released? If you're not using an original disc -- that's probably the problem.

[jangai]

Hi all!
Strange problem with a "full BD RB to BD 25" backup for Sherlock Holmes 2009 and usual BD-RB settings (v 0.33.09) :
Final BDMV is only 16 Go rather than usual 22 Go and some parts of the movie are ultra pixelled with 50 to 70 kb/s bitrate rather the ordinary 7 to 10 Mb/s...
(movie stream is cutted in many 1 to 2 Go parts and some parts are "very small" into rebuild stuff...)

If I turn back to BD-RB V 0.33.02 with same settings : everything is in order with a 22 Go output and trivial bitrates... ?????

[snakeman]

Tell me which file or files you need to take a look at. So you can see, I have it working. :)


snakeman

PM me when you have a chance

Just to confirm a few things. I did use goBD util to get my BD5s Full Backups to work with my PS3 (I Gen 60 gig model).



snakeman

[jdobbs]

Hi all!
Strange problem with a "full BD RB to BD 25" backup for Sherlock Holmes 2009 and usual BD-RB settings (v 0.33.09) :
Final BDMV is only 16 Go rather than usual 22 Go and some parts of the movie are ultra pixelled with 50 to 70 kb/s bitrate rather the ordinary 7 to 10 Mb/s...
(movie stream is cutted in many 1 to 2 Go parts and some parts are "very small" into rebuild stuff...)

If I turn back to BD-RB V 0.33.02 with same settings : everything is in order with a 22 Go output and trivial bitrates... ????? There have been no changes in the bitrate calculation in a long, long time. Try it again with v0.33.09. But first, reinstall the support utilities from the first page of this thread, as what you are describing sometimes points to a CODEC issue. My encodings are sizing correctly.

[Edit] I'm running "Sherlock Holmes" now, just to be sure.

[deank]

It could be related to the x264 version included in both versions of BD RB. I had similar issues some time ago, when x264 is parsed --bitrate 5000 (for example), the final raw file has a bitrate of ~300-400kbps, resulting in huge macroblocks and artifacts.

It turned out that the build used was fprofiled/compiled for specific CPU architecture.

Strangely enough the problem manifested itself only with certain sources... I had no explanation about that, so I switched to another x264 build.

[Capsbackup]

Just had my first successful full backup to BD5 for a Universal title, It's Complicated. :)
Audio works and subtitles are selectable as well!
Almost gave up trying full movie backups to BD5/9 media, especially with Universal titles. They have always been able to back up succesfully, and work fine on PowerDVD and TMT3, but never able to hear the audio or select the subtitles while watching on my Sony S360 standalone.
I'm not sure what has changed, if anything, but this is an encouraging result!
Thanks for all your time and effort jdobbs. :D

[jdobbs]

Just had my first successful full backup to BD5 for a Universal title, It's Complicated. :)
Audio works and subtitles are selectable as well!
Almost gave up trying full movie backups to BD5/9 media, especially with Universal titles. They have always been able to back up succesfully, and work fine on PowerDVD and TMT3, but never able to hear the audio or select the subtitles while watching on my Sony S360 standalone.
I'm not sure what has changed, if anything, but this is an encouraging result!
Thanks for all your time and effort jdobbs. :D Interesting. Has there been a firmware upgrade to the S360 recently?

[jdobbs]

I was wondering if anyone else has been successful with Sin City D1, I have tried both of the two playlists for Movie only and the audio is correct but on some parts you get the correct video and on others you get video and the 'Cine-Explore' PIP stuff. I can't seem to get the right combination of the .m2ts files with either playlist. Did anyone else figure this out? I just did "Sin City" again last night and then watched it this morning. No issues. Have you done any "tweaking" of your setup?

[jdobbs]

It could be related to the x264 version included in both versions of BD RB. I had similar issues some time ago, when x264 is parsed --bitrate 5000 (for example), the final raw file has a bitrate of ~300-400kbps, resulting in huge macroblocks and artifacts.

It turned out that the build used was fprofiled/compiled for specific CPU architecture.

Strangely enough the problem manifested itself only with certain sources... I had no explanation about that, so I switched to another x264 build. If that were it, though, you would expect it to act that way for everyone (unless the poster is using a non-standard version of X264 with BD-RB).

@jangai

Are you using the version of X264 that is included in the ZIP file?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Hi!Interesting. Has there been a firmware upgrade to the S360 recently?I have a pristine 360, not connected to the Internet, with no firmware updates since acquisition - and I've used BD-RB to make properly performing full disc backups of the following Universal releases:

The Fourth Kind (Made 3/16/10)

Love Happens (Made 2/02/10)

[Capsbackup]

Interesting. Has there been a firmware upgrade to the S360 recently?

My S360 has never had a firmware upgrade. I have checked several times just to be sure, but it always says it is up to date. I will check to see what firmware it has and report back.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Hi!I have a pristine 360, not connected to the Internet, with no firmware updates since acquisition - and I've used BD-RB to make properly performing full disc backups of the following Universal releases:

The Fourth Kind (Made 3/16/10)

Love Happens (Made 2/02/10) I've personally never had issues with Universal titles except (if I recall properly) when there was PiP on one that I tried. That one would work if the same output was written to a BD-RE, but the sound disappeared on BD-9.

[jdobbs]

My S360 has never had a firmware upgrade. I have checked several times just to be sure, but it always says it is up to date. I will check to see what firmware it has and report back. I looked at mine and it is using ".007", which seems to be the latest. But it looks like that one has been out since the summer of 2009.

[Capsbackup]

I've personally never had issues with Universal titles except (if I recall properly) when there was PiP on one that I tried. That one would work if the same output was written to a BD-RE, but the sound disappeared on BD-9.

I have experienced this too! :confused:
Unfortunately, DVD media behaves differently than BD media, so there is no reliability for full backups to DVD media. I do test with DVD+RW media, but for DVD9 size, testing to BD-RE does not mean success with DVD+R DL media.

[Capsbackup]

I looked at mine and it is using ".007", which seems to be the latest. But it looks like that one has been out since the summer of 2009.

Same here too, 11.1.007. This is the same firmware it came with upon purchase.

[jdobbs]

Hi all!
Strange problem with a "full BD RB to BD 25" backup for Sherlock Holmes 2009 and usual BD-RB settings (v 0.33.09) :
Final BDMV is only 16 Go rather than usual 22 Go and some parts of the movie are ultra pixelled with 50 to 70 kb/s bitrate rather the ordinary 7 to 10 Mb/s...
(movie stream is cutted in many 1 to 2 Go parts and some parts are "very small" into rebuild stuff...)

If I turn back to BD-RB V 0.33.02 with same settings : everything is in order with a 22 Go output and trivial bitrates... ????? Just wanted to give you an update. I encoded "Sherlock Holmes" and got the same thing. Weird. For example, on 00007.MT2S, BD-RB's log says to encode at over 20Mbs and to create an output file that is 320MB -- but the file is 13MB and extremely blocky. I'll do some more testing to see what's is going on.

Thanks for the report.

[Edit] Looks like it is more trouble from FFMS. If I force the demuxer to LAVF is appears to work properly. Ugghh.. I sure have gotten a lot of headaches trying to fix the dropped frames issue...

[raspi2]

hey jdobbs. Maybe you have answered this question and maybe not, but 419 pages worth of posts is too much to read through. Any chance in a future version that you may be able to make the re-encode not include the black bars on the top and bottom? I believe that it is currently encoding the wasted area of the frames and causing less bitrate to be utilized. If I am totally wrong, or if this is already in your thoughts, then great.

Thanks,

raspi2

[jdobbs]

hey jdobbs. Maybe you have answered this question and maybe not, but 419 pages worth of posts is too much to read through. Any chance in a future version that you may be able to make the re-encode not include the black bars on the top and bottom? I believe that it is currently encoding the wasted area of the frames and causing less bitrate to be utilized. If I am totally wrong, or if this is already in your thoughts, then great.

Thanks,

raspi2 If you're talking about Blu-Ray, there's no choice. It only supports 16:9 and 4:3 -- which means that any other movie size requires the borders. The original discs live with the same rules.

For ALTERNATE output I guess it would be okay -- but it probably won't happen for a while.

[raspi2]

okay, so for BD-25, doing a LanczosResize is not possible, after cropping the source, but on the Alternate Movie Output, it would be? Thanks again.

[jdobbs]

okay, so for BD-25, doing a LanczosResize is not possible, after cropping the source, but on the Alternate Movie Output, it would be? Thanks again. I guess I misunderstood what you were getting at. As long as you crop/resize it to 4:3 or 16:9 you can get rid of the borders -- but of course you'll lose picture on the right and left.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs @capsbackup so there is no reliability for full backups to DVD media.The successful Universal full disc backups I referred to were both on DVD9s...

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs @capsbackup The successful Universal full disc backups I referred to were both on DVD9s... It's reliable for me. As far as I can remember, there was only one disc that had the audio issue for me.

[raspi2]

I guess I misunderstood what you were getting at. As long as you crop/resize it to 4:3 or 16:9 you can get rid of the borders -- but of course you'll lose picture on the right and left.

Sort of, but not trying to get rid of the borders. When I encode tv that has borders on the sides, such as a PDTV show on a HD channel, I can crop the left and right black bars, but return the resolution back to normal in the .avs file so the black bars show back up during playback, otherwise it would be stretched and that would be no good. The good thing about this is that you are not wasting bitrate on the black bars during the encoding sequence.

Make sense?

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs @capsbackup The successful Universal full disc backups I referred to were both on DVD9s...

It's reliable for me. As far as I can remember, there was only one disc that had the audio issue for me.

My first tests were with a Sony BX1 back in the beginning of BD-RB. Same backups that the audio and subtitles would not work on DVD media would work if burned to BD-RE. DVD media discs would play fine though with software players. Even brought the disc that would not play on my BX1 to the local Best Buy and tested it on a Sony S301, and then it played perfectly! It did not play on the other brands available at that time though.
I have now successfully done approx. 10 full backups to BD5/9 media, that play on both my BX1 and S360, but only one has been a Universal title.
Perhaps I will test some of these past unsuccessful movies again, just to see if there has been a change of luck. :p
With the long list of bug fixes and improvements to BD-RB, as well as updates and fixes to .x264, it is probably time to try! :cool:

[Sharc]

Sort of, but not trying to get rid of the borders. When I encode tv that has borders on the sides, such as a PDTV show on a HD channel, I can crop the left and right black bars, but return the resolution back to normal in the .avs file so the black bars show back up during playback, otherwise it would be stretched and that would be no good. The good thing about this is that you are not wasting bitrate on the black bars during the encoding sequence.

Make sense?
Not sure if I fully understand your question, but for blu-ray compliance (= purpose of BD-RB) one needs to encode black borders unless the original active picture is already at 4:3 or 16:9. So yes you could crop any existing borders off, but you have to add them back again in your .avs for blu-ray compatible encoding. You need not worry about wasted bits because x264 encodes the black borders very very efficiently, hardly wasting any bits.

The only purpose of removing (cropping) and adding back the borders would be when the borders in the original are 'noisy' (speckles), or if one wants to produce a fully mod16 compliant structure for the active picture as well as for the borders. However mod16 compliant encoding has actually lost its significance with x264, because x264 even encodes non-mod16 borders very very efficiently.

[k-c-ksum]

doing a back-up of cloverfield using quick encode for extras with QUICK_CRF=25 added to the ini file but its still doing 2 pass encoding. is bdrb maybe mistaking them for a part of the feature?

[jangai]

@jangai

Are you using the version of X264 that is included in the ZIP file?
Yes, for each release, I unzip all your stuff and I just insert my BDREBUILDER.INI file into BD-RB folder and.. go

Today I'll just try an other src bkp (Cloverfield) with last release and report you...

[dreamk]

I'm one of those people who bought PS3 long time ago mainly for watching blurays, and games were just added bonus.

So now with this problem not able to play full movie backups with our PS3 is pretty annoying.

So what you Jdobbs think about idea that WE PS3 owners here in forum donate you (extra) money just that you could buy yourself PS3 for testing machine and try to figure out that way what is problem with PS3 playback issues?

I quess we need about $250. Me myself are currently unemployed, but still could throw $20 in the hat for the cause and its still cheaper and simpler than alternative about buying new standalone bluray player.

How this works?
-If Jdobbs agrees, you just use donate link in jDobbs posts and
donate amount you like and wrote him note that its for PS3 fund or similar like that, thats all.

Thoughts, comments about this idea?

I know this in not best thread to discuss this, but if there is interest in this, me or someone have to make new forum thread for this subject.

[deank]

So now with this problem not able to play full movie backups with our PS3 is pretty annoying.

I don't remember seeing anyone to report not being able to play full-backups burned to BD25 or BD50 (or patched non-Java BD5/BD9).

If you get an error when you insert the disc (which you were able to play before), Google (http://www.google.bg/search?q=error+80029906)for the error code. In most cases with heavily used PS3, the blue 'laser' wears off and needs a replacement, but it has nothing to do with playing backups - usually some game discs refuse to load, too.

Dean

[jdobbs]

Sort of, but not trying to get rid of the borders. When I encode tv that has borders on the sides, such as a PDTV show on a HD channel, I can crop the left and right black bars, but return the resolution back to normal in the .avs file so the black bars show back up during playback, otherwise it would be stretched and that would be no good. The good thing about this is that you are not wasting bitrate on the black bars during the encoding sequence.

Make sense? Not really. You're not wasting bitrate on black bars -- but you are removing part of the original picture. You can't add back the bars after encoding. The AVS comes before you encode.

[dreamk]

I don't remember seeing anyone to report not being able to play full-backups burned to BD25 or BD50 (or patched non-Java BD5/BD9).

If you get an error when you insert the disc (which you were able to play before), Google (http://www.google.bg/search?q=error+80029906)for the error code. In most cases with heavily used PS3, the blue 'laser' wears off and needs a replacement, but it has nothing to do with playing backups - usually some game discs refuse to load, too.

Dean

Sorry i dont remember excatly but i think someone has reported BD25 full movie backups dont working in his PS3 and answers were just those PS3 new firmware etc...

And me myself just noticed this, this spring i was doing movie only BD25 pretty much every time so havent seen it before but now some reason try full movie mode (Armageddon disc) and it dit not worked tryed 2 different BD-RE (Verbatims),
also i try 2 different BD-rebuilder versions because that time i though it was some bug in program... same result invalid disc and error code in PS3.

So i then googled error codes and get answers what you suggest above that bluray laser is getting old.

But in my case i dont think it is reason, my PS3 is never used heavily, just havent been time before, and bluray drive even less...
also because original blurays work fine and movie only BD25 backups works fine, plus bluray disc game what i tested... i quess it is unlikely faulty drive causing this.

Also that time when i googled this i remember someone reporting this to jDobbs and it was just BD25 and full backup mode not working, so thats why i did not report same thing myself back then.

[jdobbs]

Sorry i dont remember excatly but i think someone has reported BD25 full movie backups dont working in his PS3 and answers were just those PS3 new firmware etc...

And me myself just noticed this, this spring i was doing movie only BD25 pretty much every time so havent seen it before but now some reason try full movie mode (Armageddon disc) and it dit not worked tryed 2 different BD-RE (Verbatims),
also i try 2 different BD-rebuilder versions because that time i though it was some bug in program... same result invalid disc and error code in PS3.

So i then googled error codes and get answers what you suggest above that bluray laser is getting old.

But in my case i dont think it is reason, my PS3 is never used heavily, just havent been time before, and bluray drive even less...
also because original blurays work fine and movie only BD25 backups works fine, plus bluray disc game what i tested... i quess it is unlikely faulty drive causing this.

Also that time when i googled this i remember someone reporting this to jDobbs and it was just BD25 and full backup mode not working, so thats why i did not report same thing myself back then. I am very confident that if you can't play back BD-25 backups -- it is something other than BD-RB. When the backup works with every other type of player on the planet -- the issue is with the one that isn't working.

[jdobbs]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to a new release of BD-RB (v0.34.01). Changes for this update:- Changed the secondary intermediate file so it follows
the same rules as primary. Now the intermediate will
be .264 except when MKV_INTERMEDIATE is set. This is
necessitated by changes to X264, and should correct
issues experienced with secondary video on PS3 and
other players that might be sensitive to it.
- Added "Remove OUTPUT folder" in the SETUP dialog. If
selected, the output folder will be deleted after a
successful burn (with ImgBurn).
- Created a workaround for an issue with X264's internal
FFMS decoding that could result in extremely blocky
output on multi-part features as a result of confused
bitrate interpretation. BD-RB no longer uses FFMS for
multi-part features, it now uses X264's internal LAVF
demuxing.
- Updated the included version of X264.EXE to the
latest release (r1613).
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.

[dreamk]

I am very confident that if you can't play back BD-25 backups -- it is something other than BD-RB. When the backup works with every other type of player on the planet -- the issue is with the one that isn't working.


Sorry you missing my point or did not understand correctly my bad european english.

I mean when i first time encountered this invalid disc thing in my PS3 / full movie backup disc i did not know what is happening so i try different things like two different BD-RE discs
and two different BD-Rebuilder versions with slightly different quality settings and so on... I dont blame BD-RB about this.

[Capsbackup]

Tried another Universal title, The Scorpion King, full movie backup to BD5, with BD-RBV03309, with the same results as before, when the movie starts there is no audio heard and the subtitles are not selectable from the remote or menu. :(
The picture quality is excellent though! :rolleyes:
If I select display with the remote, it says 1080/24, but does not display an audio present like a normal working backup. ( DD 5.1, etc...)
It does play the audio perfectly when using TMT3 on my PC, so even the Sony S360 cannot work properly on BD5 media with this title. :eek:

[jdobbs]

Tried another Universal title, The Scorpion King, full movie backup to BD5, with BD-RBV03309, with the same results as before, when the movie starts there is no audio heard and the subtitles are not selectable from the remote or menu. :(
The picture quality is excellent though! :rolleyes:
If I select display with the remote, it says 1080/24, but does not display an audio present like a normal working backup. ( DD 5.1, etc...)
It does play the audio perfectly when using TMT3 on my PC, so even the Sony S360 cannot work properly on BD5 media with this title. :eek: Hmmm... there's just gotta' be a way to get around this. What is different about the Universal titles?

[Capsbackup]

Hmmm... there's just gotta' be a way to get around this. What is different about the Universal titles?

I really don't know, but there must be something!
The other one I have that has not worked is U571. This one and Scorpion King are original BD-25, with PiP, which I have disabled since the secondary audio is DTS Express, and both behave the same way.
I was going to try U571 with your new release, though it probably won't make a difference, just to see if the results are consistent with Scorpion King.

[EDIT]
Just checked and the structure of both of these discs are identical, VC1, U-Control for PiP, DTS HD, DTS Express Secondary audio, main motion menu, etc...

[santito]

the new version (34.01) has something change that might improve the compatibility with the ps3?

[grampaking]

First of all, this is an amazing program for BD backup, the best out there. The only thing I seem to have trouble with (and I've searched the forums and elsewhere for clues, without success) are movies with forced subs (Avatar, District 9, 2012, etc.). It doesn't seem that BD Rebuilder has the capability yet to program these into the finished backup. Subtitles either have to be "on" or "off", with no consideration for scenes with non-English dialog necessitating subtitles. I know others have taken the extra steps to rip the subtitles with other programs, convert them, and then fit them back in, but I was hoping for an easier solution from within BD Rebuilder if possible.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs @capsbackup

Just as a point of information - In mid-April, I had done a DVD9 full disc version of "U571". Although the burned disc exhibits the same problems described by "Capsbackup" when played on the SONY BDP-S360, that same burned disc plays perfectly under PowerDVD v.7.3xxx.

[worknstiff]

First of all, this is an amazing program for BD backup, the best out there. The only thing I seem to have trouble with (and I've searched the forums and elsewhere for clues, without success) are movies with forced subs (Avatar, District 9, 2012, etc.). It doesn't seem that BD Rebuilder has the capability yet to program these into the finished backup. Subtitles either have to be "on" or "off", with no consideration for scenes with non-English dialog necessitating subtitles. I know others have taken the extra steps to rip the subtitles with other programs, convert them, and then fit them back in, but I was hoping for an easier solution from within BD Rebuilder if possible.


I have had no problems with (forced subs) doing movie only backups. All you have to do is be sure you leave --ALL-- the ENG subs (if you want eng subs to be shown) in the backup and it will still show them even with subs turned off.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs @capsbackup

Just as a point of information - In mid-April, I had done a DVD9 full disc version of "U571". Although the burned disc exhibits the same problems described by "Capsbackup" when played on the SONY BDP-S360, that same burned disc plays perfectly under PowerDVD v.7.3xxx.

Interesting that I also have PowerDVD 7.3, and when I just tried to play the disc with it, it will not work. Will not even load the menu, just sits there with a black screen, but appears to be playing, but shows nothing and will not advance.
When I load the image with Virtual Clone, and then try to play the movie, it will then start and proceed to the menu, but when I select play, PowerDVD just shuts down!
Both the disc and the loaded image play perfectly with TMT3 though. :confused:

[jdobbs]

the new version (34.01) has something change that might improve the compatibility with the ps3? Please read the CHANGES... if you don't see PS3 mentioned -- then probably not.

I think the more appropriate goal would be for the PS3 to change. I could spend the rest of my life trying to work around Sony's mistakes in firmware. As has been mentioned, it once worked (firmware 2.50). Full (BD-25) backups should work now.

I have to be honest, my primary focus is on real players -- not computers or games that pretend to be players. That's where the majority of users are and the only place I can reliably believe that bugs are truly bugs. Also, since I don't own a PS3, I have no way of testing it anyway.

[jdobbs]

First of all, this is an amazing program for BD backup, the best out there. The only thing I seem to have trouble with (and I've searched the forums and elsewhere for clues, without success) are movies with forced subs (Avatar, District 9, 2012, etc.). It doesn't seem that BD Rebuilder has the capability yet to program these into the finished backup. Subtitles either have to be "on" or "off", with no consideration for scenes with non-English dialog necessitating subtitles. I know others have taken the extra steps to rip the subtitles with other programs, convert them, and then fit them back in, but I was hoping for an easier solution from within BD Rebuilder if possible. If they were "forced" in the original -- they will also be forced in the backup -- as long as you keep them. The only exception would be if you are resizing.

I recommend keeping all subs on most discs.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs @capsbackup

Just as a point of information - In mid-April, I had done a DVD9 full disc version of "U571". Although the burned disc exhibits the same problems described by "Capsbackup" when played on the SONY BDP-S360, that same burned disc plays perfectly under PowerDVD v.7.3xxx. I have no doubt the bug is in the firmware of the player. The question is whether I can find a workaround.

[chompy]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems that it's impossible to select an "alternate movie only" if the alternate option are within the same playlist.

I've found some movies where the main playlist has three different possible m2ts files at the beginning (opening credits in three different languages) and then one big m2ts for the remainder movie and it seems that right now it's impossible to choose any of the alternate beginnings (as you can you per playlist, but not inside it, and then you always get the first optional beginning).

Greetings

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs The question is whether I can find a workaround.Admirable as that may be, in light of the fact that new Universal releases appear NOT to any longer have this problem, I'd suggest that you hold off on doing that unless/until it's established that the problem(s) with earlier Universal releases show up again in future releases...

[gamete]

might explain the options

Alternate movie - only Playlists

other movies - only output


thanks