BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Lathe]

Would you expect anything less? Then again, you probably insert those just to see if I will find them. :D

Yeah... I WISH I could take credit for being that clever... Geez dude, if there is a mistake anywhere, YOU will find it! :rolleyes:

[MrVideo]

Through my many years of working with computers and software, I've managed to find things that others have missed in our products and I wasn't even looking. I just can magically find these things, sometimes. :D

[AmigaFuture]

So have I MrVideo, and certainly don't point my finger to luck, coincidences, or magic...though illusionists are prrrrrrrretty cool. :D Lathe, if you really think deeply about it there aren't any mistakes but rather only choices (fully considered or not).

[Lathe]

Lathe, if you really think deeply about it there aren't any mistakes but rather only choices (fully considered or not).

Hmmm... I think you are right... I believe I will 'choose' to give our dear Mr. Video a little working over... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif

[mparade]

Hello,

While BD-RB is importing and "converting the source to a compatible format" what kind of x264 settings are being used? Lossless, right?


Thanks for the help in advance.

[AmigaFuture]

If it were lossless you'd have a much larger file than what is being imported. Lossless means without compression. Otherwise it's lossy. A DivX or XviD becomes much larger, for example. So not lossless.

Update: To be Lossless every frame would have to be packed into a file or as pictures without any compression.

[Lathe]

Hello,

While BD-RB is importing and "converting the source to a compatible format" what kind of x264 settings are being used? Lossless, right?


Thanks for the help in advance.

If I remember correctly, I had asked JD about this too. I believe what he told me is that he uses a CRF of 18. But, I don't know exactly at what settings though...

[mparade]

If it were lossless you'd have a much larger file than what is being imported. Lossless means without compression. Otherwise it's lossy. A DivX or XviD becomes much larger, for example. So not lossless.

Update: To be Lossless every frame would have to be packed into a file or as pictures without any compression.

I made lossless avis (50-60GB each) with Huffyuv codec in 4:2:2 YUY2 format. I just would like to know a bit about what is happening behind the very fast (it takes half an hour for a 70 minutes video) converting to x264 during import. The color space is converted to 4:2:0 YV12 I assume. The resulting structure is ~8GB so some kind of lossy encode is performed. The reencode is unnecessary at this stage because reencoding the imported source will result in a bigger filesize at a CRF value of 16. Those lossless avis are very important to me so my aim is obtaining visually lossless archives with BD-RB.

[Sharc]

@mparade
...I just would like to know a bit about what is happening behind the very fast (it takes half an hour for a 70 minutes video) converting to x264 during import. The color space is converted to 4:2:0 YV12 I assume. The resulting structure is ~8GB so some kind of lossy encode is performed.....
When your source format is accepted by TSMUXER the pseudo-BD structure will be built without re-encoding the video, means you get an exact copy.
When your source format is not accepted by TSMUXER (e.g. DivX) BD-RB will re-encode the video with CRF=18 (default) which is of course not lossless.
Finally, there are few input formats which BD-RB will not recognize and throw an error.
See also the discussion here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1792813&postcount=25466) and around here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794522&postcount=25553) for more details.
Since v0.50.22 (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794806&postcount=25573) BD-RB accepts huffyuv etc. as well as it has been included in that list, but your source will be re-encoded and converted to AVC 4:2:0 with CRF=18 (default) unless you tweak it.

Edit:
In case you convert to 720x576i 4:3 you may watch out for the little --sar bug reported here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173). I trust it will get fixed in the next release....;)

[mparade]

@mparade

When your source format is accepted by TSMUXER the pseudo-BD structure will be built without re-encoding the video, means you get an exact copy.
When your source format is not accepted by TSMUXER (e.g. DivX) BD-RB will re-encode the video with CRF=18 (default) which is of course not lossless.
Finally, there are few input formats which BD-RB will not recognize and throw an error.
See also the discussion here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1792813&postcount=25466) and around here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794522&postcount=25553) for more details.
Since v0.50.22 (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1794806&postcount=25573) BD-RB accepts huffyuv etc. as well as it has been included in that list, but your source will be re-encoded and converted to AVC 4:2:0 with CRF=18 (default) unless you tweak it.

Edit:
In case you convert to 720x576i 4:3 you may watch out for the little --sar bug reported here (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173). I trust it will get fixed in the next release....;)

Thanks! I have only 720x576i 4:3 Huffyuv sources to convert (import) to AVC....I hope I can overwrite the sar bug on the command line for the encode using the command line tweaks.

[jdobbs]

Hello,

While BD-RB is importing and "converting the source to a compatible format" what kind of x264 settings are being used? Lossless, right?


Thanks for the help in advance.The default is a CRF of 18 to limit required space. But you can set it to whatever you like using IMPORT_CONVERT_CRF.

[jdobbs]

You will have to excuse JD... He is a great guy and a frigg'n BRILLIANT designer, but, sadly, do to firing guns and heavy artillery for many years now (he was in a gang and then in special forces) his hearing just isn't quite what it used to be... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gifHah! It has nothing to do with my hearing and everything to do with science and engineering. All these lossless "HD" extensions are sucker plays... meant to get people to spend more money on equipment. Dolby's own testing shows that no human ear can distinguish between the original lossless audio and AC-3 encoded at 640Kbs. The engineers even increase the volume on "HD" channels so people think they can hear a difference. In fact the only thing you get from those "HD" audio tracks is two more channels -- and even that's a sucker play, since those two channels can be interpreted and/or created by a balance of 5.1 audio. But, hey, if you want to believe in snake oil that will cure your arthritis... more power to you. P.T. Barnum would be proud of these new audio encoding standards.

[Lathe]

Hah! It has nothing to do with my hearing and everything to do with science and engineering. All these lossless "HD" extensions are sucker plays... meant to get people to spend more money on equipment. Dolby's own testing shows that no human ear can distinguish between the original lossless audio and AC-3 encoded at 640Kbs. The engineers even increase the volume on "HD" channels so people think they can hear a difference. In fact the only thing you get from those "HD" audio tracks is two more channels -- and even that's a sucker play, since those two channels can be interpreted and/or created by a balance of 5.1 audio. But, hey, if you want to believe in snake oil that will cure your arthritis... more power to you. P.T. Barnum would be proud of these new audio encoding standards.

I notice that you did not DENY that you were in a gang or in Special Forces...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

[jdobbs]

I notice that you did not DENY that you were in a gang or in Special Forces...

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gifWe all have our secrets.

[Ch3vr0n]

maybe he's in a gang of ex-special forces doing all sorts of dangerous and nasty stuff :p

[Lathe]

maybe he's in a gang of ex-special forces doing all sorts of dangerous and nasty stuff :p

Maybe so...

I think this BDRB thing is just a cover... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[AmigaFuture]

It is, Lathe, but...covering What?? Since Samhain (pronounced Sow-en) is close and this is October I'll add an "OOoooOOOooOOohhh..." sound just for you. :D

[AmigaFuture]

Hah! It has nothing to do with my hearing and everything to do with science and engineering. All these lossless "HD" extensions are sucker plays... meant to get people to spend more money on equipment. Dolby's own testing shows that no human ear can distinguish between the original lossless audio and AC-3 encoded at 640Kbs. The engineers even increase the volume on "HD" channels so people think they can hear a difference. In fact the only thing you get from those "HD" audio tracks is two more channels -- and even that's a sucker play, since those two channels can be interpreted and/or created by a balance of 5.1 audio. But, hey, if you want to believe in snake oil that will cure your arthritis... more power to you. P.T. Barnum would be proud of these new audio encoding standards.

What about the Super Humans that can hear stuff that well? The people that defy science. For the most part I very much agree with your comments, especially for average people.

[Blurayhd]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!

[Lathe]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!

So, are you saying that some of the Blu-ray discs that you have burned after using BDRB (going from BD-50 to BD-25) that some of them are now 'bad'...? In other words, for some reason they don't play / copy properly? If so, that is a hard one... I have no idea what would have caused errors on the discs.

You could TRY just simply using ImgBurn to read the disc and then use it to TRY to copy it? I don't know what else to suggest, sorry...

[Sharc]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!
First of, try to play the faulty discs with different hardware, including a standalone player. Do the discs fail with all of these?
If so, the problem is with the disc. You could try to recover the good sectors with e.g. isobuster and see what you get out of it, but I think it's pretty much a lost case.
Otherwise, I am sure you kept the originals in a safe place and you can easily start from scratch.

[jdobbs]

Hi all and hi dear jdobbs, first of all please excuse me because I don´t know where exactly post this question, dear people I have a big problem, (thanks to jdobbs for making possible BD rebuilder!!) So, here is the thing, For years I encoded from bd50 to bd25 a lot of Bluray titles that is very hard to find or get, and family videos too. So, that Bluray disc now some of them have in some sector of the disc illegible and I so need to get back those videos, I need to copy the contain of each bd25 to hard disk so I can burn it again on a new Bluray disc.

But I need to know dear people if you can recommend some application for testing the disc surface and with this application can copy to hard disk. I already tryied with Isobuster, Recovery Toolbox for CD Free, Cdcheck, and the Windows explorer, but some of them get the error and some of that application says the disc is good, so I just get confused

Please any one can recommend some application?

Please I hope don´t broke any rules and have a nice week end!!Interesting. I had that happen on a couple discs recently as well. I'd used cheap media from a questionable manufacturer and they were fine for about 5 years (or more), and then, suddenly they had bad sectors.

First, as Sharc said, it's best to make sure it isn't the drive or player first. That issue is much more common than good discs that go bad.

If it's truly the discs (as it was in my case). you can use ImgBurn to read them to your hard drive. It can be set to ignore the bad sectors, so you will at least get back the usable parts. But the part on the bad sectors is pretty much history.

[worknstiff]

Cheap media from a questionable manufacturer

Ah, another victim of the dreaded CRC errors eh? Just like Optical Quantum did to me. I hold my breathe every time I pull out one of those to play, just glad I have the image on a hard disk too.

[kufo]

Perhaps CDRoller could help. It worked fine for me with some damaged discs.

[jdobbs]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

[Ch3vr0n]

not me

[kufo]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

It´s also fine for me. Which browser do you use?

[MrVideo]

Nope, working for me.

[Lathe]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

Well... maybe you are being Divinely punished for your heretical views about lossless audio... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[jdobbs]

Is anyone else having trouble with this site? Everytime I come here I have to login again -- it doesn't remember me anymore.

It´s also fine for me. Which browser do you use?Chrome

[kufo]

Chrome
I also use chrome. If you run chrome on diffrent devices you could try this:
-Open advanced options in chrome.
-Delete stored password for this account.
-Disaable/enable option STORE PASSWORDS above in general password settings.
-log in at this page an look if store password is shown.
-If yes, mark remember me ( It´s shown for me after logged out).
-If no, enter password in chrome maually.
-Klick of marked note USE FOR ALL DEVICES above the passwords.
This is what I would try.:o

[jdobbs]

I also use chrome. If you run chrome on diffrent devices you could try this:
-Open advanced options in chrome.
-Delete stored password for this account.
-Disaable/enable option STORE PASSWORDS above in general password settings.
-log in at this page an look if store password is shown.
-If yes, mark remember me ( It´s shown for me after logged out).
-If no, enter password in chrome maually.
-Klick of marked note USE FOR ALL DEVICES above the passwords.
This is what I would try.:oI never used Chrome to save the password. I've never had to in the past (and haven't been prompted). All I've ever done before is sign in and say "remember me" --and it did. I've always assumed it is kept in a cookie.

[kufo]

You're right with the cookies, but when saving the password in the website i have this problem too. Saving it in chrome solved my problem.

[jdobbs]

You're right with the cookies, but when saving the password in the website i have this problem too. Saving it in chrome solved my problem.I went into Chrome and cleared all cookies. After logging in one more time it kept it. So I'm guessing that somehow the cookie got corrupted. That's a little scary, I may need to do some scanning on my computer.

[gonca]

So I'm guessing that somehow the cookie got corrupted. That's a little scary

Did Chrome update recently? Possible side effect if it did

[Blurayhd]

you can use ImgBurn to read them to your hard drive. It can be set to ignore the bad sectors, so you will at least get back the usable parts. But the part on the bad sectors is pretty much history.

First of all I want to say thank you all you, and Jdobbs, you know? I just don´t get it if you let me I´ll try to tell you;

As you say, recently it happens to me with a lot of disc that was burn years ago and some present read error etc

As you tell me I just use IMGburn to pas one disc to some hard disc with ISO method, so IMGburn have the option to check the entire disc?

Or just when pass it to hard disc if there´s any errors that minds the disc is good? Can the movie contains error but not the disc?

When I tryied it with ISobuster, get me some error sector, but IMGburn pass it to ISO very good

I wish to know if there is some good program to use to check de read speed of the disc? Some good program that tell me how about the min and max read speed?

Thank you for your pacience guys

I really hope you can recommend some

[Lathe]

That's a little scary, I may need to do some scanning on my computer.

'Just because they're not out to get you, doesn't mean they're not out to get you...'

[zorro101]

I tried to compress a blu-ray 4k, but it goes wrong! :(
Is there a possibility for an update for compatibility with the blu-ray 4k UHD?
thanks
best regards

[staina]

Application x264L - 64.exe me in different parts processing falls, see error dump from window below:


Name events problem: APPCRASH
Name application: x264L-64.exe
Version application: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp application: 569d4b9b
Name incorrect module: x264L-64.exe
Version incorrect module: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp incorrect module: 569d4b9b
Code exception: c000001d
Shift exception: 000000000023370d
Version operating system: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
ID national environment: 1033
Next information 1: 62b9
Next information 2: 62b912cee843efabb3e23eb3c2bcb8
Next information 3: 5dbb
Next information 4: 5dbb00d83bfa0590eeee90fc96153e


Names events problem: BEX64
Name application: x264L-64.exe
Version application: 0.148.2665.0
Clock stamp application: 569d4b9b
Name incorrect module: StackHash_0e6a
Version incorrect module: 0.0.0.0
Clock stamp incorrect module: 00000000
Shift exception: 0000000004c4fb28
Code exception: c0000005
Data exception: 0000000000000008
Version operating system: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
ID national environment: 1033
Next information 1: 0e6a
Next information 2: 0e6a129dfb5d0f7bc9ef3f6f766ce9
Next information 3: b548
Next information 4: b54816bd1dd91a75016123ca0ca639


A little I'm searched and to internet found same version codec X264, but with other size see. link.

http://www.digital-digest.com/software/x264_history.html#471

This codec at processing not once no srasch. It is possible codecs version 2665 compare and give here know in what are other and whether it is possible use and me found codec without reduction in quality output videos?

Yet I'm found out that the at option "Use DirectshowSource frame serving" at two pass uses latest version codec X264 (file X264.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding, but at options "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" uses older versuses older version codec X264 (file X264L - 64.exe) how for frame serving so and for encoding.

Which option is then for quality better?

Thank for answer. Staina

[MrVideo]

I tried to compress a blu-ray 4k, but it goes wrong! :(
Is there a possibility for an update for compatibility with the blu-ray 4k UHD?
To do 4K UHD discs will require a whole new project/product.

[zorro101]

To do 4K UHD discs will require a whole new project/product.

i'm not expert, but i have see the rip and the bd structure is the same.
only change (i think) is the resolution and the video codec (h.265 instead h.264)

[Ch3vr0n]

there's a lot more than that lol. Codec changes, resolution changes, bitrate changes, bitrate limitations, maximum sizes...

[jdobbs]

Application x264L - 64.exe me in different parts processing falls, see error dump from window below...

There is a lengthy discussion as to why X264L was necessary. Please review Rule 1a and use the "search" function.

[jdobbs]

To do 4K UHD discs will require a whole new project/product.I'm looking at it. But with the amount of work involved, it may require a "Pro" version so I can recover costs. Donations have pretty much vanished in the last couple years (explaining the long times between versions). Even if I did a Pro version, though, I'd grandfather anyone who had already donated for BD-RB or DVD-RB or had substantially contributed through bug reports.

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.

No promises though, as I've just started researching it.

[Blurayhd]

Hi guys there´s some application so I´ll can do a full surface disc scan? searching for errors? bad sectors etc? That application can show a map of the surface and sectors? or when I use IMGburn to pass some disc to hard drive if I don´t get any errors that means the disc is good?

Thank you in advance

[jdobbs]

there's a lot more than that lol. Codec changes, resolution changes, bitrate changes, bitrate limitations, maximum sizes...Quite a bit for sure... for example, TSMUXER's output would have to be corrected since it uses different codes, etc...

[MrVideo]

i'm not expert, but i have see the rip and the bd structure is the same.
only change (i think) is the resolution and the video codec (h.265 instead h.264)
While on the surface it may look the same, the authoring of the disc is a little different. There are some differences in the features, which has to be handled by a new authoring program.

In other words, the engine under the hood of a UHD disk is a little different than the engine under the hood of a Blu-ray disk.

[meadrocks]

PM'd you a gift card. Hopefully you can make a new release soon. Enjoy.

[geheim]

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.


Exactly my thoughts, because right now there is no possibility to do this. Shrinking complete UHDs to BD50 etc would be another step afterwards, but being able to convert 4K footage to UHD structure would be amazing!!

Thanks for taking a look at this!

[Mark_Venture]

I'm looking at it. But with the amount of work involved, it may require a "Pro" version so I can recover costs. Donations have pretty much vanished in the last couple years (explaining the long times between versions). Even if I did a Pro version, though, I'd grandfather anyone who had already donated for BD-RB or DVD-RB or had substantially contributed through bug reports.

I think the most useful function would be importing 4K video and authoring it into a UHD BD.

No promises though, as I've just started researching it.Wait...did I miss something? Last I remember it wasn't possible to rip 4K/UHD Bluray discs... is that part solved now?