BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Ch3vr0n]

try a real player like PowerDVD or Arcsoft Totalmedia Theatre. Nero aint nothin but crappy bloatware

[colinhunt]

jdobbs,
The author of tsMuxeR has recently posted on the forum about updating the program to add 3D support.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168539
Perhaps you might be interested to contact the author to fix any bugs you may have found while working with tsMuxeR. It might help you in developing BD-RB.
Seconded. Quite a few issues I've discovered in BD-RB are caused by tsMuxeR.

[AmigaFuture]

JDobbs does pretty well with getting around those challenges also. When we report them, do our best to make them repeatable and or he notices them. For tsMuxeR to evolve would probably ripple over to BD-RB.

@ Ch3vr0n
I noticed the different between transcoding and rerendering, that was a major point to me.

[yankeefan]

Has anyone had problems with the sound being off when you try to compress a movie? Had it happen to a few lately after many successful uses. The movie starts out fine then about quarter of the way the sound is off by a five seconds. And the last one a scene repeated, strange stuff.

[Ch3vr0n]

about that sound, bdrb doesn't change the sound volume. Check the original or your playback device. about that scene stuff, not a bdrb issue either. BDRB just recodes what's it being fed. That repeated scene is an indication of an improper decryption.

ooh and looks like the 3D support of tsmuxer is really getting into the dev stages now http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168539

[yankeefan]

With the sound being off the original is fine just after using bdrb the sound is delayed. Doesn't happen all the time. Happened on three movies around the same time.

I try again and see what happens I updated my decrypter.

Thanks

[HomeDepot4]

With the sound being off the original is fine just after using bdrb the sound is delayed. Doesn't happen all the time. Happened on three movies around the same time.

I try again and see what happens I updated my decrypter.

Thanks

This has been happening to me, I posted earlier about Die Hard V.... The rip is fine, I have checked that with a media streamer...

[DoctorM]

I was reading that adding "AUDIO_DIRECTSHOW=0" prevents ffdshow's mixer from changing the number of channels during recoding.
I don't see it by default in my .INI file. Is that now hardcoded into BD RB or does it still need to be added?
Is there a drawback to using that option?

Edit: And a quick question, what bitrate will be used for a mono source? Is it treated the same as stereo?

[jdobbs]

I was reading that adding "AUDIO_DIRECTSHOW=0" prevents ffdshow's mixer from changing the number of channels during recoding.
I don't see it by default in my .INI file. Is that now hardcoded into BD RB or does it still need to be added?
Is there a drawback to using that option?

Edit: And a quick question, what bitrate will be used for a mono source? Is it treated the same as stereo???? Don't know where you got that.

BD-RB always turns off the mixer when it encodes audio -- and then sets it back to its original value afterward.

A mono audio channel defaults to 112Kbs when reencoding to AC-3.

[DoctorM]

??? Don't know where you got that.

BD-RB always turns off the mixer when it encodes audio -- and then sets it back to its original value afterward.

A mono audio channel defaults to 112Kbs when reencoding to AC-3.

I just did a search on this thread... thanks for the info.

I was hoping to turn the mono track to stereo by adding audio=GetChannel(audio,1,1) to the audio script while the video was encoding.

I assume BDRB checks the number of channels and picks the bitrates while preparing. In which case I'll get 112Kbs stereo... which wouldn't be good.

[tn jim]

I had a backup copy of "The Fifth Element" freeze the video on playback about two thirds of the way thru the movie, the audio continued on just fine.

This is my fourth movie backup, the first three played back just fine.

I verified that the original plays back fine. I am using a licensed version of AnyDVD HD, ImgBurn and the latest Beta version on BD-RB. I am using Verbatim-R #97339 BD 25GB blanks. The backup burn did not indicate that there were any problems. The burn made it to about 1/4" of the edge of the disc.

I got the same freeze results on both my PS3 and Oppo83 BD players with the latest firmware.

I did not keep any logs created during the backup process.

What is my likely problem?

Thank you!

[RobertM]

I had a backup copy of "The Fifth Element" freeze the video on playback about two thirds of the way thru the movie, the audio continued on just fine.

I've had this type of thing happen a few times. In each case the trouble was a bad rip. The original LOOKED fine, on casual inspection, but when I looked at the exact place where the freeze happened there was a glitch in the video. This glitch could make it through for playback, but it hung the video re-encode process.

After your rebuild completed did you take a look at the new, rebuilt files before you burned them? I always do that now, so that I can spot this type of problem before I spend a blank BD-R on them.

[DoctorM]

Cosmetic bug: Working with a directory of "D:\My Downloads\Incoming\MoveTitle\BDMV".
BD Rebuilder shows only "D:\My" in the "Source Path:" line.

Doesn't interfere with operation though.

[jdobbs]

I had a backup copy of "The Fifth Element" freeze the video on playback about two thirds of the way thru the movie, the audio continued on just fine.

This is my fourth movie backup, the first three played back just fine.

I verified that the original plays back fine. I am using a licensed version of AnyDVD HD, ImgBurn and the latest Beta version on BD-RB. I am using Verbatim-R #97339 BD 25GB blanks. The backup burn did not indicate that there were any problems. The burn made it to about 1/4" of the edge of the disc.

I got the same freeze results on both my PS3 and Oppo83 BD players with the latest firmware.

I did not keep any logs created during the backup process.

What is my likely problem?

Thank you!It sounds like a bad burn, but it could be a bad rip as well ( a s RobertM mentioned). The chance that it is BD-RB is very slim.

[tn jim]

After your rebuild completed did you take a look at the new, rebuilt files before you burned them? I always do that now, so that I can spot this type of problem before I spend a blank BD-R on them.

What exactly am I looking for in the rebuilt files that you refer to?

Thank you!

[jdobbs]

I just did a search on this thread... thanks for the info.

I was hoping to turn the mono track to stereo by adding audio=GetChannel(audio,1,1) to the audio script while the video was encoding.

I assume BDRB checks the number of channels and picks the bitrates while preparing. In which case I'll get 112Kbs stereo... which wouldn't be good.
It would sound the same anyway.

Just as a note, you can add AVISYNTH lines to the audio AVS using the filter editor and the "a:" prefix.

[RobertM]

What exactly am I looking for in the rebuilt files that you refer to?

Thank you!

When this problem has happened to me it was because of a bad rip. When BD-RB rebuilt the files the video encoder couldn't get past the glitch in the incoming data, so it lost its reference to the next frame data, and the video file became blank, or stuck, after the glitch while the audio continued.

So take a look at your new back-up disc and take note of the exact time where the video freezes. You'll want to explore this spot on both your original rip and your BD-RB rebuild files.

Play your original rip file and move to that spot in the film. Watch very closely to see if there is any hiccup in the playback at that spot. It could be a brief scrabbling of pixels, or a shudder in the motion, or something like that. If you detect any non-smoothness in the playback then a bad rip is almost certainly the culprit.

If you didn't detect a bad rip then repeat the process by inspecting the BD-RB rebuild file. If you detect a problem in this file, but not in the original rip, then it could be something has interfered with the rebuild process. This would be quite unusual, but possible nevertheless. Could be a power surge, hint of upcoming HDD failure, etc. If you don't detect a glitch in the rebuild file then your problem is most likely a bad burn.

So:
1. If there is a glitch in the rip then -> re-rip.
2. If there is a glitch in the rebuild then -> run BD-RB again.
3. If there is no glitch in the rebuild then -> burn another disc.

To check for this type of problem I now simply play back the rebuild files on my computer to make sure that there is video and in-synch audio at 3 positions in the stream; at the start, middle and end. If the video and audio are OK at all 3 positions in the rebuild then I will burn the disc.

[DoctorM]

It would sound the same anyway.

Just as a note, you can add AVISYNTH lines to the audio AVS using the filter editor and the "a:" prefix.

Where is the filter editor in BD RB? I'm now thinking of trying other changes. Does "v:" let you adjust the video as well then?

[jdobbs]

Where is the filter editor in BD RB? I'm now thinking of trying other changes. Does "v:" let you adjust the video as well then?It is in the SETUP dialog.

All settings that don't use the "a:" are assumed to be video. Some other prefixes:

i: means apply only to interlaced sources
p: means apply only to progressive sources
f: means apply only to the feature
e: means apply only to extras

The default of no prefix at all means apply it to all sources

They can be used together, for example:

f:a:Amplify(audio,1.25)

would mean to increase audio by 25% for the feature only.

[DoctorM]

OOOhhh. Click 'Use AVS Filters during encoding." and it pops open a new window. Sneaky.

Btw, I ran into something weird today. I got a generic Aften error (experienced a problem, had to close). After I clicked 'okay' it looked like rebuilder reattempted the encoding again. Everything seems to have turned out okay, but I still don't know what happened.
- [12:48:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (pol): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [13:29:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (pol): Reencoding audio to AC3...

I assume it's a thing for x264 to soften the image (and grain) to achieve lower bitrates (since I don't see any noise reducers in the script or options). My grainy test encoding to BD9 was scrubbed of almost all grain. I guess there are limits.

[jdobbs]

OOOhhh. Click 'Use AVS Filters during encoding." and it pops open a new window. Sneaky.

Btw, I ran into something weird today. I got a generic Aften error (experienced a problem, had to close). After I clicked 'okay' it looked like rebuilder reattempted the encoding again. Everything seems to have turned out okay, but I still don't know what happened.
- [12:48:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (pol): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [13:29:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (pol): Reencoding audio to AC3...

I assume it's a thing for x264 to soften the image (and grain) to achieve lower bitrates (since I don't see any noise reducers in the script or options). My grainy test encoding to BD9 was scrubbed of almost all grain. I guess there are limits.If the audio encode fails, BD-RB will attempt to reencode once. If it made it through with no errors -- then you should be ok.

x264 doesn't generally soften the image unless you have filters set to do that. But if you are outputting to a dramatically smaller size it may be possible.

[omegaman7]

"tn jim" Might I recommend getting a new reading drive, for ripping your discs. I had a few problems with a Lite-on iHES108(2). I still use it for scanning discs, or playing discs in real time, but I no longer trust it for burning or ripping. I may be retiring my oldest LG drive soon too. It recently completed ripping a disc, that had read errors. I was able to successfully rebuild it, but there were artifacts in the video stream. I'm not even sure I trust it with pristine condition discs.

[Yordan5]

jdobbs, It is probably a long shot however, once Roman has released a stable version of TsMuxeR with 3D muxing capabilities, would you consider incorporating this in BD RB?

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, It is probably a long shot however, once Roman has released a stable version of TsMuxeR with 3D muxing capabilities, would you consider incorporating this in BD RB?Yes, of course.

The problem is that there currently isn't a freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

Trying to download 44.16 and every time I click on it, I get an error message "server not found."

Is there an issue with your server, JDobbs?

SMK

[sytyguy]

I just download it with no problems.

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

Just tried again (using Mozilla Firefox), and I got the same "server not found" error, but when I clicked on "try again," it then asked me if I wanted to open it or save it.

Strange, but I've got it.

SMK

[tn jim]

I've had this type of thing happen a few times. In each case the trouble was a bad rip. The original LOOKED fine, on casual inspection, but when I looked at the exact place where the freeze happened there was a glitch in the video. This glitch could make it through for playback, but it hung the video re-encode process.

After your rebuild completed did you take a look at the new, rebuilt files before you burned them? I always do that now, so that I can spot this type of problem before I spend a blank BD-R on them.

So far I've only had the one bad burn out of 21 and I am looking at the log files now. Maybe I had a flaky blank BD?

Than you!

[jdobbs]

Just tried again (using Mozilla Firefox), and I got the same "server not found" error, but when I clicked on "try again," it then asked me if I wanted to open it or save it.

Strange, but I've got it.

SMKI just tested it and it works for me. The download website is hosted at GODADDY. I've never had any issues.

[thebuff]

Hi, wondered if someone could help?

I've been using this great software for a couple of years now and all has been working great. However, my two latest rips are getting an error;

[09/09/13] BD Rebuilder v0.44.16 (beta)
[09:48:18] Source: THE_PAPERBOY_00000
- Input BD size: 21.32 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:46:43.271]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[09:48:18] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:48:18] Processing: VID_00017 (1 of 1)
- [09:48:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00017]
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Bitstream exception Unknown exception. It does not have to be! Plase contact the application support team for more information.
[09:48:21] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted

The only recent changes to my system was the installation of AnyDVD which I have now uninstalled. I have also uninstalled & reinstalled ffdshow, haali and avisynth as per the first post and my inspect log is as follows;

- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- AVISYNTH Version: [2.5.8.0], Ok
- HAALI Splitter: [1.9.42.1], Ok
- FFDSHOW: [4504], Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.44.0.16, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok

From what I've read in other posts, the only possibility I can see is that they were bad rips, but it just seems strange that both were, unless the installation of AnyDVD affected DVDFab in anyway.

Any help would be appreciated?

[thebuff]

To answer my own question - I've just tried another disc and it worked absolutely fine, which lead me to believe that it was a bad rip - will try those ones from scratch.

[AmigaFuture]

@thebuff

AnyDVD (HD) is very good. If the rip fails once, or more...check/clean the disks. If that fails, perhaps your optical drive needs the same....or replacement. I clean my drives often and rarely let the laser heads clunk/slam. Sure indicators of...challenges or....problems. Awareness of disk health before insertion helps much more than anything (family, friends, yourself..). Like a physical matter... Haha! Anyway... Glad to know you discovered it.

[omegaman7]

Indeed. I use an air can to blow off ALL discs before they go in a drive. And I carefully visually inspect them for fingerprints, and/or scratches. Scratches usually aren't the problem though. It's oils and/or dirt in a deep crevice.

[dfsooner]

Yes, of course.

The problem is that there currently isn't a freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.

Just for grins I checked out the newest beta of txMuxer to see if it supports IGS. It does not. This shortcoming and the problem with MIN_M2TS_SIZE not working correctly continues to give me problems with titles authored with TMPGenc Authoring Works.

[DoctorM]

I'm a bit confused, BDRB is demuxing the audio and video to .dts and .264 files in the WORKFILES folder.
It then generates a VID_00001.avs script that uses DirectShowSource on the original .M2TS file instead.

I assume the use of DSS is a fall back, but the System Inspection comes out Ok across the board.
What sort of things should I look for as causing this? What is the normal indexer that BDRB is supposed to be using?

[jdobbs]

I'm a bit confused, BDRB is demuxing the audio and video to .dts and .264 files in the WORKFILES folder.
It then generates a VID_00001.avs script that uses DirectShowSource on the original .M2TS file instead.

I assume the use of DSS is a fall back, but the System Inspection comes out Ok across the board.
What sort of things should I look for as causing this? What is the normal indexer that BDRB is supposed to be using? That's how it is supposed to work. The .264 (.MPV, VC1) is used only in the event reencoding isn't necessary, otherwise it is removed after the demux. For reencoding an AVS is preferable, because it can include filters etc. You can also access an M2TS more fluidly (it can be very tedious attempting to access a video stream outside a container).

An "indexer" is only used if you have DGDecNV installed on your system. But even in that case the original M2TS is used as the source within an AVS.

[DoctorM]

Okay, a lot of people seem to beat up the 'directshowsource' method of accessing AVC content. I expected something like ffmpegsource2.
Cool to know nothing went wrong.

[jdobbs]

Okay, a lot of people seem to beat up the 'directshowsource' method of accessing AVC content. I expected something like ffmpegsource2.
Cool to know nothing went wrong.FFMPEGSOURCE2 has problems, especially with VC-1 sources (interlacing, for example) unless it has changed recently (it's been a few months since I've tested it).

In my opinion AVISYNTH with DGDecNV is by far the best method for frame serving. DirectshowSource() would be my choice for second-best (unless frame accuracy in seeking was required, and it isn't in BD-RB)

[g00g]

Recently I tried to backup a BD with a AC3+ stream. The backup process "Movie Only" just ran fine but the video and audio streams of the backup were out of sync.

Is AC3+ supported?

Furthermore I tried to backup a BD using DGDecNV. In my case the backup process failed right after reencode the first video file and complete audio file. The encode failed message in the log is followed by the output of the inspect tool which in my case showed OK in any part. No other error messages could be found.

Did I miss something here? Any additional hidden option to set?

[Racer]

Sorry for asking this again, but could actually anybody try the Intel QuickSync accelerated FFDShow decoder. Please let me know if this works:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162442

Right now I'm using DGDecNV with a GT520. Is it actually possible that the picture quality gets a little worse with DGDecNV than using the ffdshow software decoder?

[jdobbs]

Recently I tried to backup a BD with a AC3+ stream. The backup process "Movie Only" just ran fine but the video and audio streams of the backup were out of sync.

Is AC3+ supported?

Furthermore I tried to backup a BD using DGDecNV. In my case the backup process failed right after reencode the first video file and complete audio file. The encode failed message in the log is followed by the output of the inspect tool which in my case showed OK in any part. No other error messages could be found.

Did I miss something here? Any additional hidden option to set?You've definitely missed something. I've done well over 3,000 backups in testing -- most with DGDecNV and have never had a single issue related to it.

[jdobbs]

Sorry for asking this again, but could actually anybody try the Intel QuickSync accelerated FFDShow decoder. Please let me know if this works:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162442

Right now I'm using DGDecNV with a GT520. Is it actually possible that the picture quality gets a little worse with DGDecNV than using the ffdshow software decoder? No. I don't see how that would be possible.

[laserfan]

I don't use BD-RB often, but today I tried making for Argo (US) a full Movie & Menus backup with the Edit Mode on. Was very fast, and worked quite well for the movie itself (especially the forced subtitles), but the disc has a full-length Secondary Video (popup) track, and I wonder about a couple things:

1. Up-front in the Edit mode, there was no way to De-select the Sec Video track, a 480p PIP
2. At the same time, there was also no way to Select the DTS Express stereo audio

So the result allows the playback of the PIP video, but there is no audio to accompany it.

Another odd thing is that this disc has many, many audio and subtitle tracks, and I opted to include only the Eng audio & subtitles (all of them), but at least with my Arcsoft TMT software player there is no way to quickly ID which of these tracks has been retained to select, because Every track is now listed as English. I suppose on my standalone players it would require that I cycle thru all 7 of the audiotracks and 16 of the subtitle tracks until I get to where I want to be. CORRECTION: My standalone player has no trouble identifying the blanked audio/sub tracks as whatever non-English they were--this problem strictly owes to Arcsoft TMT.

This is no big deal but the popup vid is a couple of GB in size (wasted, for lack of audio) which took some time for the program to deal with so I have to ask about it. If there's no way to keep/mux the DTS Express audio, shouldn't I be able de-select the secondary video. Has anyone else here tried backing-up this disc?

[jdobbs]

I don't use BD-RB often, but today I tried making for Argo (US) a full Movie & Menus backup with the Edit Mode on. Was very fast, and worked quite well for the movie itself (especially the forced subtitles), but the disc has a full-length Secondary Video (popup) track, and I wonder about a couple things:

1. Up-front in the Edit mode, there was no way to De-select the Sec Video track, a 480p PIP
2. At the same time, there was also no way to Select the DTS Express stereo audio

So the result allows the playback of the PIP video, but there is no audio to accompany it.

Another odd thing is that this disc has many, many audio and subtitle tracks, and I opted to include only the Eng audio & subtitles (all of them), but at least with my Arcsoft TMT software player there is no way to quickly ID which of these tracks has been retained to select, because Every track is now listed as English. I suppose on my standalone players it would require that I cycle thru all 7 of the audiotracks and 16 of the subtitle tracks until I get to where I want to be.

This is no big deal but the popup vid is a couple of GB in size (wasted, for lack of audio) which took some time for the program to deal with so I have to ask about it. If there's no way to keep/mux the DTS Express audio, shouldn't I be able de-select the secondary video. Has anyone else here tried backing-up this disc?Look up DTSX_ENABLE in the HIDDENOPTS.TXT file.

You can't remove the secondary video track, because that would be modifying the original authoring (which would cause issues in a full backup). You could probably blank it, though. I can't remember if I enabled that.

[laserfan]

Look up DTSX_ENABLE in the HIDDENOPTS.TXT file.

You can't remove the secondary video track, because that would be modifying the original authoring (which would cause issues in a full backup). You could probably blank it, though. I can't remember if I enabled that.

Thanks jdobbs, I'll check-out DTSX_ENABLE. Sorry I didn't use the proper term--yes I was trying to Blank the secondary vid, but couldn't make it have a red X. But I'll surely leave it in place if I can get some audio with it.

:)

[laserfan]

Hey if I want to quit BD-RB and assert DTSX_ENABLE and re-run my job so that it extracts the DTS Express audio, can I do that without starting-over from scratch, which otherwise would include the re-encode of video?

Or maybe I could just extract the DTSX audiotrack using tsMuxeR GUI and then tweak the .meta file myself and re-mux?

:confused:

[jdobbs]

Hey if I want to quit BD-RB and assert DTSX_ENABLE and re-run my job so that it extracts the DTS Express audio, can I do that without starting-over from scratch, which otherwise would include the re-encode of video?

Or maybe I could just extract the DTSX audiotrack using tsMuxeR GUI and then tweak the .meta file myself and re-mux?

:confused:No. You'll have to start from scratch.

TSMUXER won't recognize it. (Unless the new alpha has changed that). BD-RB has to demux/remux it manually itself.

[laserfan]

No. You'll have to start from scratch.

TSMUXER won't recognize it. (Unless the new alpha has changed that). BD-RB has to demux/remux it manually itself.

Wowza. I didn't know yr software performed this magic--I thought we were all [totally, utterly] at the mercy of Roman/tsMuxeR for all we do.

Thanks for the quick response. As an aside, I was amazed at how quickly BD-RB made a backup of this disc for me, which included re-encoding the whole movie to fit a BD-25 disc. A coupla hours I think. My own 2-step x264 encodes take overnight!

Thank you.

[thetorrentlord]

Been using this for a couple of years and with this version(44.16) the last 3 all fail at the first video file encode after just a few min. Inspect show OK on all items. Installed all xtras exactly as the instructions say. So am going to try with 44.15. Update to follow.

[hoju3508]

@thetorrentlord, post log files.