BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[chudm]

dont know what else to do, i tried to search for vc-1 ** problems but the search option didnt let me do anything with those "words"

i think i found the problem, its seems that i forgot to save the original value data with of CLSid, so im screwed :P

should i do a system repair, or reinstall windows? thx for any suggestion!

[klas]

One of the two DTS audio is not compressed to Ac3. How can I get BD rebuilder recompress it?

thanks

klas

[Sophocles]

dont know what else to do, i tried to search for vc-1 ** problems but the search option didnt let me do anything with those "words"

VC-1 is not a Windows search option it's a setting in FFDSHOW's "Decoder configuration." Go to windows start>>Programs>>FFDSHOW>>Video Decoder Configuration, and you will find a reference to VC-1 among the available options.

[Capsbackup]

Where can I find the correct settings for FFDSHOW? I found some recommended correction in these threads but still no progress. Can someone list what they should be? Thanks for helping

-Mariachidude

I have XP Pro w/SP3, and my settings, which have always worked and never given this error are:
WMP 11 is installed.
FFDSHOW Video decoder config: H.264/AVC = libavcodec. MPEG2 = libmpeg2 codec. VC-1 = disabled.
I think I remember reading that Coraline may have a 3D version on the disc? If so, maybe it is just a problem disc.
Can you backup any other discs without this error message?

[mariachidude]

I have XP Pro w/SP3, and my settings, which have always worked and never given this error are:
WMP 11 is installed.
FFDSHOW Video decoder config: H.264/AVC = libavcodec. MPEG2 = libmpeg2 codec. VC-1 = disabled.
I think I remember reading that Coraline may have a 3D version on the disc? If so, maybe it is just a problem disc.
Can you backup any other discs without this error message?

Nope. I get this message on EVERY disc I try to back up. I have Windows XP 64 bit and WMP 9 installed. Should I try installing WMP 11?

I have uninstalled any codec packs and required programs for BD Rebuilder, rebooted, and reinstalled the BD Rebuilder programs.

I get the errors 20 seconds into the whole process so I am still trying to figure out what the problem is. I truly appreciate your help. Thanks

-Mariachidude

[chudm]

VC-1 is not a Windows search option it's a setting in FFDSHOW's "Decoder configuration." Go to windows start>>Programs>>FFDSHOW>>Video Decoder Configuration, and you will find a reference to VC-1 among the available options.

no no i meant, search in this thread hahaha :)

[chudm]

i dont know what else to do? should i reinstall windows?

[Capsbackup]

Nope. I get this message on EVERY disc I try to back up. I have Windows XP 64 bit and WMP 9 installed. Should I try installing WMP 11?

I have uninstalled any codec packs and required programs for BD Rebuilder, rebooted, and reinstalled the BD Rebuilder programs.

I get the errors 20 seconds into the whole process so I am still trying to figure out what the problem is. I truly appreciate your help. Thanks

-Mariachidude

WMP 11 works for me. Can't hurt.
Do you have these errors on all BluRays : AVC, VC-1 and MPEG2 ?
If you don't have WMP 11 installed, I think you need ffdshow set to wmv9, for VC-1 decoding.
I do not have 64bit OS, so I'm not sure if there are different setup/settings.

[martythebrit]

How are you trying to rip it? I always just insert the disc (on an AnyDVD-enabled drive), create a folder on my hard drive, and then use MS Explorer to copy the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders.

I've done this, same thing. The error is always on one of the MTS files at different points. This is the only disk that's given me trouble in recent memory and I'm about done with it now. I will just have to be careful with the originals.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
I have now experienced " Audio and/or PGS size too large. Probable oversize. Continue? "
It happened on a BD-25 backup of District 9, Region A, on pass 1 of the main title, VID_00011, which is a MPEG4 (AVC) 1080P, 23.976fps, 23,360.85 MB.
I selected the option to continue, and it's started running again on pass one of this title. I will update the results as they develop.
Does not appear to be anything special about this movie:

[18:47:36] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 42.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
There are 14 subtitles also, which are all selected to keep as well, but I doubt that has any effect.

EDIT:
It completed, but running only 1 pass of a 2 pass selection for the main title.
And the error message did not lie either, finished at 29.8GB, and there was not a "CERTIFICATE" folder created in the new backup. Strange! :confused:
The main title is 13.2GB, all extras( 179 files) are 16.6GB.

EDIT 2:
I just realized that when ANYDVD rips all the files off the disc, for this one there is 4.99GB of extra files: example-PS3_GAME=2.95GB, PS3_UPDATE=256MB, SNP=1.78GB.
Doing the math, it is no wonder BD-RB oversized. 29.8GB - 4.99GB = 24.81GB.
Just a guess, but this might be why the error was thrown, if BD-RB saw the extra content and factored it in to the size calculation before it started the last and main title.
I will remove the extra content from the ripped folder and try a full backup again with the same settings and report back. :)

[chudm]

@jdobbs;
I have now experienced " Audio and/or PGS size too large. Probable oversize. Continue? "
It happened on a BD-25 backup of District 9, Region A, on pass 1 of the main title, VID_00011, which is a MPEG4 (AVC) 1080P, 23.976fps, 23,360.85 MB.
I selected the option to continue, and it's started running again on pass one of this title. I will update the results as they develop.
Does not appear to be anything special about this movie:

[18:47:36] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 42.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
There are 14 subtitles also, which are all selected to keep as well, but I doubt that has any effect.

EDIT:
It completed, but running only 1 pass of a 2 pass selection for the main title.
And the error message did not lie either, finished at 29.8GB, and there was not a "CERTIFICATE" folder created in the new backup. Strange! :confused:
The main title is 13.2GB, all extras( 179 files) are 16.6GB.

EDIT 2:
I just realized that when ANYDVD rips all the files off the disc, for this one there is 4.99GB of extra files: example-PS3_GAME=2.95GB, PS3_UPDATE=256MB, SNP=1.78GB.
Doing the math, it is no wonder BD-RB oversized. 29.8GB - 4.99GB = 24.81GB.
Just a guess, but this might be why the error was thrown, if BD-RB saw the extra content and factored it in to the size calculation before it started the last and main title.
I will remove the extra content from the ripped folder and try a full backup again with the same settings and report back. :)

underworld 3 has those folder too man and everything fit perfect on a bd25 (after using bdrebuilder)

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
I have now experienced " Audio and/or PGS size too large. Probable oversize. Continue? "
It happened on a BD-25 backup of District 9, Region A, on pass 1 of the main title, VID_00011, which is a MPEG4 (AVC) 1080P, 23.976fps, 23,360.85 MB.
I selected the option to continue, and it's started running again on pass one of this title. I will update the results as they develop.
Does not appear to be anything special about this movie:

[18:47:36] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 42.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
There are 14 subtitles also, which are all selected to keep as well, but I doubt that has any effect.

EDIT:
It completed, but running only 1 pass of a 2 pass selection for the main title.
And the error message did not lie either, finished at 29.8GB, and there was not a "CERTIFICATE" folder created in the new backup. Strange! :confused:
The main title is 13.2GB, all extras( 179 files) are 16.6GB.

EDIT 2:
I just realized that when ANYDVD rips all the files off the disc, for this one there is 4.99GB of extra files: example-PS3_GAME=2.95GB, PS3_UPDATE=256MB, SNP=1.78GB.
Doing the math, it is no wonder BD-RB oversized. 29.8GB - 4.99GB = 24.81GB.
Just a guess, but this might be why the error was thrown, if BD-RB saw the extra content and factored it in to the size calculation before it started the last and main title.
I will remove the extra content from the ripped folder and try a full backup again with the same settings and report back. :) BD-RB should factor in all the "extra" stuff (in order to make a complete backup) -- but I'll check and be sure.

At least now I have a US version I can try to repeat it with.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
It did not give me the error message this time, continuing like normal, on pass 1 of 2, but the main title, VID_00011 will only get 2132kbps!! That does not seem correct, or at least too much was allocated to the extras to leave this low a bitrate for the main feature. I chose full backup, Quicker Encode for Extras, and High Quality (Default).

[07:06:24] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 37.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640

- [08:20:02] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [08:32:54] Reencoding: VID_00011 (48 of 48)
- [08:32:55] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 161,496 frames
- Bitrate: 2,132 Kbs
- [08:32:55] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 2

Something I have never encountered before! Usually the main feature has triple that amount or more. It will be interesting to see how the quality turns out.
I do not think this will be a very good quality backup however, and most likely I will have to try something different to achieve a better bitrate for the main feature. :confused:

EDIT:
Some info from the original disc:
180 total .M2TS files = 37.0GB; 179 extras/.M2TS = 14.2GB; main .M2TS, 00011.M2TS = 22.8GB

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
It did not give me the error message this time, continuing like normal, on pass 1 of 2, but the main title, VID_00011 will only get 2132kbps!! That does not seem correct, or at least too much was allocated to the extras to leave this low a bitrate for the main feature. I chose full backup, Quicker Encode for Extras, and High Quality (Default).

[07:06:24] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 37.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640

- [08:20:02] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [08:32:54] Reencoding: VID_00011 (48 of 48)
- [08:32:55] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 161,496 frames
- Bitrate: 2,132 Kbs
- [08:32:55] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 2

Something I have never encountered before! Usually the main feature has triple that amount or more. It will be interesting to see how the quality turns out.
I do not think this will be a very good quality backup however, and most likely I will have to try something different to achieve a better bitrate for the main feature. :confused:

EDIT:
Some info from the original disc:
180 total .M2TS files = 37.0GB; 179 extras/.M2TS = 14.2GB; main .M2TS, 00011.M2TS = 22.8GBLook in your WORKFILES folder. I'll bet there are some extremely large audio or PGS files (that were demuxed) in there.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Looking at the original discs individual .M2TS file size and BD-RB's reencoded .M2ts file size, BD-RB has created larger file sizes than the original ones on several of it's reencoded .M2TS files.
Example:
Original 05024.m2ts = 857,862KB Backup = 1,104,302KB
Original 05025.m2ts = 1,181,696KB Backup = 2,935,890KB
Original 05026.m2ts = 1,083,828KB Backup = 1,496,046KB
Original 05029.m2ts = 1,456,824KB Backup = 1,958,802KB
Original 05030.m2ts = 1,126,314KB Backup = 1,658,844KB

These are all extras, the main feature is still encoding.
I hope this may help shed some light on to what may be going on. :confused:

EDIT:
The largest audio track is the DTS HD Master for the main feature = 3.10GB, and two AC3 DD = 359MB and 154MB, respectively.
No other audio track is larger than 22.7MB out of all the extras; all extra audio combined = 169MB for 46 files.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
Looking at the original discs individual .M2TS file size and BD-RB's reencoded .M2ts file size, BD-RB has created larger file sizes than the original ones on several of it's reencoded .M2TS files.
Example:
Original 05024.m2ts = 857,862KB Backup = 1,104,302KB
Original 05025.m2ts = 1,181,696KB Backup = 2,935,890KB
Original 05026.m2ts = 1,083,828KB Backup = 1,496,046KB
Original 05029.m2ts = 1,456,824KB Backup = 1,958,802KB
Original 05030.m2ts = 1,126,314KB Backup = 1,658,844KB

These are all extras, the main feature is still encoding.
I hope this may help shed some light on to what may be going on. :confused:They're all pretty small (for BD), though. Do you have "Quick Encode for Extras" selected? That could make them larger if the new CRF is finer than the original.

[Capsbackup]

They're all pretty small (for BD), though. Do you have "Quick Encode for Extras" selected? That could make them larger if the new CRF is finer than the original.

Yes, quick encode for extras is selected.
Perhaps I will try a new backup without quick encode for extras. Maybe it will size the extras smaller?

[jdobbs]

Yes, quick encode for extras is selected.
Perhaps I will try a new backup without quick encode for extras. Maybe it will size the extras smaller? It almost certainly would... but I don't think it will be enough to make a significant dent in the bitrate for the feature. You never know, though.

[Capsbackup]

It almost certainly would... but I don't think it will be enough to make a significant dent in the bitrate for the feature. You never know, though.

Backup finished successfully, 22.6GB for final size. However, the main feature is only 6.01GB, and with a DTS HD Master audio of 3.10GB, and two other audio tracks within this same .m2ts that equal 513MB, 14 subtitle tracks that are 220MB, it left less than 2.4GB for the video.
Needless to say, video quality is not good.
So all of the original discs extras equal 14.2GB.
All BD-RB's extras equal 16.6GB.
Proportional reduction of extras were lost on this disc.
This could be a good title for you to check out personally.
I am unaware of what else I can do to make this backup deliver more bitrate to the main feature and reduce the extras to allow this. :confused:

[jdobbs]

Backup finished successfully, 22.6GB for final size. However, the main feature is only 6.01GB, and with a DTS HD Master audio of 3.10GB, and two other audio tracks within this same .m2ts that equal 513MB, 14 subtitle tracks that are 220MB, it left less than 2.4GB for the video.
Needless to say, video quality is not good.
So all of the original discs extras equal 14.2GB.
All BD-RB's extras equal 16.6GB.
Proportional reduction of extras were lost on this disc.
This could be a good title for you to check out personally.
I am unaware of what else I can do to make this backup deliver more bitrate to the main feature and reduce the extras to allow this. :confused:Just my opinion, but wasting 3GB on an audio track to keep HD audio that double-blind tests prove isn't recognizable to the human ear just seems a little over the edge.

If you have six gig for video and 3.5 gig for audio... Where is the rest of the 22GB?

[Capsbackup]

Just my opinion, but wasting 3GB on an audio track to keep HD audio that double-blind tests prove isn't recognizable to the human ear just seems a little over the edge.

If you have six gig for video and 3.5 gig for audio... Where is the rest of the 22GB?

I do not disagree.:p
The idea that BD-RB's extras are 2.4GB larger than the originals does bring about some concern though, which is why I reported it.
I would prefer the extras to be closer to half the original discs extras, and most of my backups are. If applied here, that would equal 7.1GB extras, leaving 15.5GB for the main feature, and the 3.6GB of audio files is not so big and can still leave plenty of room for the video.
I know my ears cannot tell the difference between the HD audio and the DD 5.1 audio, ( my eyes just see the receiver say DTS HD Master vs DD :cool: ) but I don't think that is the problem here. For some reason, BD-RB did not allocate the bitrates proportionally as it has in the past for me.
Side note: running a full backup WITHOUT "Quicker Encode for Extras" now, and this is the log:

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[12:56:47] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 37.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:56:47] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:56:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [13:08:52] Reencoding: VID_00011 (1 of 48)
- [13:08:52] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 161,496 frames
- Bitrate: 11,062 Kbs
- [13:08:52] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 2

I will let you know how it finishes, but initially this looks much more promising!:)

[Race Guy]

I know my ears cannot tell the difference between the HD audio and the DD 5.1 audio, ( my eyes just see the receiver say DTS HD Master vs DD :cool: )

Buy yourself a copy of "Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scott's", Caps and/or jdobbs, turn it up to "11" & then let me know if you can "hear a difference" on the "MA" track!!!:)

[Chiamos]

Buy yourself a copy of "Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scott's", Caps and/or jdobbs, turn it up to "11" & then let me know if you can "hear a difference" on the "MA" track!!!:)

I'm totally with Race Guy on this one all the way and 7.1 uncompressed via analog is a near match too. :)

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Success with District 9, the 2 pass without "Quicker Encodes For Extras" came out perfect. :)
Of course, this should not really come as a suprise though. :p
All extras came out 9.35GB with an average bitrate of over 7800kbs, and the main feature was 12.8GB and had 11,062kbs.
The time difference to make a full backup is quite longer though, at just over 12 hours, but the accuracy is right on.:cool:
I use to use this setting all the time, then switched because of the speed increase.
I am rethinking this now!;)

[GaPony]

Buy yourself a copy of "Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scott's", Caps and/or jdobbs, turn it up to "11" & then let me know if you can "hear a difference" on the "MA" track!!!:)

Now you've provided a single example of where a DTS-MA track may be preferred. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to provide the 1000's of cases where it makes little to no difference.

This has been an ongoing debate since DTS first hit the scene. There are thousands of articles to support both sides of the argument. Fortunately, you have a choice and can pick whichever audio format you prefer, where both exist.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
Success with District 9, the 2 pass without "Quicker Encodes For Extras" came out perfect. :)
Of course, this should not really come as a suprise though. :p
All extras came out 9.35GB with an average bitrate of over 7800kbs, and the main feature was 12.8GB and had 11,062kbs.
The time difference to make a full backup is quite longer though, at just over 12 hours, but the accuracy is right on.:cool:
I use to use this setting all the time, then switched because of the speed increase.
I am rethinking this now!;)It's my fault. I adjusted the CRF values last version and forgot to put it in the CHANGES. I figured it wouldn't hurt since extras usually only take up a small amount of space. But, as your case shows, that's not always the case and it can become a problem. I'll adjust them back down.

[Race Guy]

Now you've provided a single example of where a DTS-MA track may be preferred. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to provide the 1000's of cases where it makes little to no difference.

This has been an ongoing debate since DTS first hit the scene. There are thousands of articles to support both sides of the argument. Fortunately, you have a choice and can pick whichever audio format you prefer, where both exist.

I could do a list too. It's NOT just "DTS", it's lossless in general, LPCM 5.1, Dolby THD. It's the difference between a DVD-Audio/SACD & an mp3. With lossless you're "at" the mixing desk.

To make a blanket statement like "there's no difference" don't-a-make-a-no-sense!!!

On a "pre digital recording" flick, I'd agree that a lossless track could get the boot, but on a modern, big bux flick, and ESPECIALLY a concert, the diff is HUGE lossless vs lossy.

Here's example #2: Give "Roy Orbison Black & White Night" a spin.

[Sharc]

It's my fault. I adjusted the CRF values last version and forgot to put it in the CHANGES. I figured it wouldn't hurt since extras usually only take up a small amount of space. But, as your case shows, that's not always the case and it can become a problem. I'll adjust them back down.
Just a note: It's very convenient to set the crf for the Extras cusomized in the config file under [Options], e.g.:
QUICK_CRF=27
For crf>25 I usually also set
QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1

[jdobbs]

I could do a list too. It's NOT just "DTS", it's lossless in general, LPCM 5.1, Dolby THD. It's the difference between a DVD-Audio/SACD & an mp3. With lossless you're "at" the mixing desk.

To make a blanket statement like "there's no difference" don't-a-make-a-no-sense!!!

On a "pre digital recording" flick, I'd agree that a lossless track could get the boot, but on a modern, big bux flick, and ESPECIALLY a concert, the diff is HUGE lossless vs lossy.

Here's example #2: Give "Roy Orbison Black & White Night" a spin.I can just say that I believe in science and engineering. So I completely disregard anything that people "say" they can hear and I listen to the double blind tests done in controlled environments. The fact is that people "think" they can hear the difference -- but when they don't know whether its HD or standard audio tracks, they can't tell the difference! People report being abducted by aliens too -- but people are completely unreliable as a mechanism for reporting anything. It's a simple matter of the limitations of human hearing.

[laserfan]

But don't discs typically have other tracks on them which are just plain DIFFERENT from the "lossless" track--so people compare and choose the lossless, but they've compared oranges to apples. In any case it's easy to decide that for all future decisions I will always choose MA/HD over any other.

But it seems we've gotten sidetracked from Capsbackup's issue, which was "I left 16Gb for video but got only 6".

[ron spencer]

Can you notice a difference? Sure you can, but NOT when you are watching and listening. The average person cannot in this context. When I watch a movie, I notice no difference between any of the lossless stuff or simple AC3, nobody I know can. HOWEVER, if I listen to a DVD-A, when I am only listening (and others as well), then yes, I can easily hear the difference. The human brain has too much to do to notice a difference when using the auditory and visual senses at the same time.

[RB Newbie]

After doing a successful rebuild of an MPEG 2 encoded BR, my second and third attempts failed on VC-1 encoded discs. The failure was at the start of the encode.
I'm running XP Pro SP3 with WMP 10. Installing WMP 11 wasn't an attractive option as WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) is something I try to avoid due to hassles when changing my hardware configuration. I managed to get the Microsoft VC-1 codecs from MSDN here "Windows Media Format 11 SDK";
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bb190309.aspx

I found the link to the MSDN download here;
http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-112634.html

Before loading the VC-1 codecs, I cleaned my system of a couple of codec packs I'd added in the past along with a couple of video programs including AVItoDVD. After loading the VC-1 codecs I can play m2ts files from the 3 BD discs in WMP 10. BD Rebuilder also runs successfully in one pass encoder mode.

My problem is I only have one pass CRF and ABR choices in the encoder menu. No two pass choice is shown. I have uninstalled avisynth, ffdshow, Matroska Splitter, deleting the BDR installaion directory and then re-installed all recommended versions (avisyth 2.57, ffdshow 3133, Haali Media Splitter 1.9.42.1, BDR 3105) and configured ffdshow mpeg2 to libavcodec. The successful rebuild of the VC-1 encoded BD (Earth Disc1 BBC version Region 1) was done with ffdshow VC-1=disabled but changing it has no effect on the encoder options in BDR.

I noticed that there was no 2 pass choice in the encoder settings while working on the rebuild failures before loading the VC-1 codecs from MSDN and unless I've lost my mind, it was there when I did my initial rebuild of the mpeg 2 encoded BD.

Any help would be deeply appreciated. When I noticed the 2 pass encoder choice missing, I figured I'd resolve my VC-1 issues first and it would probably be something easy to find but I've run out of things to try. I can post the BDR ini file but I haven't modified anything (except the ffdshow settings mentioned).

[Capsbackup]

Just select, under encoder settings, "High Quality(Default)" and you will get a 2 pass encode. If you want 2 pass encodes for all files, uncheck "Quicker Encode For Extras" under the Mode tab.

[bole25]

I am having problema with the movie, AMERICAN GANSTER. I tried several times to make the process to make one 25GB (Full backup). But in some part of the movie the quality slow down very hard. This BD movie have the Theater version and the Extended version. In the BD-RB, the aproximate contect is 05:47:23. The audio movie are: Japanese, English (DTS and Stereo), German, Italian and French. Besides this, I make 2 test, with "Quicker" ecode for extras, selected and unselected. The same history... in some parts of the movie the quality is very ugly. When the BR-RB process is finish, the size of the file is 22.1 GB, low than other movies that I did before. What could be the problem?

[writersblock29]

I'm having trouble with Madagascar 2; the main English HD track (converted to 640kbps AC3) and the English commentary track are trying to play at the same time... it sounds as if they are interweaving with each other.

FFdshow and Haali are installed as per the versions linked on the front page of the thread. AVIsynth is version 258, but I had the same issue with the version linked on the front page.

I did make a tweak to the hidden settings; I ran this disk as a one-pass CRF=18, since I planned on placing this backup on my HTPC's hard drives and only wished to whittle away as much space as I could without noticing a quality hit.

I'm posting my logs, which hopefully will help.

BD Rebuilder's setup file:
[Options]
FIXED_CRF=18
MODE=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DTS_REENCODE=1
AC3_REENCODE=1
AC3_640=1
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23450
TARGET_SIZE=23000
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=1
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=D:\BLURAY RIPS\MADAGASCAR_2_NA\
WORKING_PATH=C:\USERS\JEFF\VIDEOS\BD REBUILDER PROJECTS\

Log:
----------------------
[21:21:09] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: MADAGASCAR_2_NA
- Input BD size: 42.31 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:35:33.928]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[21:21:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:21:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00185]
- [21:21:10] Reencoding: VID_00185 (1 of 62)
- [21:21:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00186]
- [21:21:20] Reencoding: VID_00186 (2 of 62)
- [21:21:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00188]
- [21:21:29] Reencoding: VID_00188 (3 of 62)
- [21:21:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00183]
- [21:21:38] Reencoding: VID_00183 (4 of 62)
- [21:21:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00182]
- [21:21:48] Reencoding: VID_00182 (5 of 62)
- [21:21:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00184]
- [21:21:56] Reencoding: VID_00184 (6 of 62)
- [21:22:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00187]
- [21:22:05] Reencoding: VID_00187 (7 of 62)
- [21:22:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00181]
- [21:22:15] Reencoding: VID_00181 (8 of 62)
- [21:22:24] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00157]
- [21:22:26] Reencoding: VID_00157 (9 of 62)
- [21:22:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00161]
- [21:22:39] Reencoding: VID_00161 (10 of 62)
- [21:22:51] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00174]
- [21:22:53] Reencoding: VID_00174 (11 of 62)
- [21:23:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00177]
- [21:23:06] Reencoding: VID_00177 (12 of 62)
- [21:23:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00158]
- [21:23:20] Reencoding: VID_00158 (13 of 62)
- [21:23:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00170]
- [21:23:35] Reencoding: VID_00170 (14 of 62)
- [21:23:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00165]
- [21:23:48] Reencoding: VID_00165 (15 of 62)
- [21:24:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00173]
- [21:24:02] Reencoding: VID_00173 (16 of 62)
- [21:24:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00169]
- [21:24:15] Reencoding: VID_00169 (17 of 62)
- [21:24:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00159]
- [21:24:28] Reencoding: VID_00159 (18 of 62)
- [21:24:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00179]
- [21:24:43] Reencoding: VID_00179 (19 of 62)
- [21:24:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00178]
- [21:24:59] Reencoding: VID_00178 (20 of 62)
- [21:25:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00175]
- [21:25:18] Reencoding: VID_00175 (21 of 62)
- [21:25:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00171]
- [21:25:35] Reencoding: VID_00171 (22 of 62)
- [21:25:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00163]
- [21:25:51] Reencoding: VID_00163 (23 of 62)
- [21:26:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00166]
- [21:26:08] Reencoding: VID_00166 (24 of 62)
- [21:26:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00167]
- [21:26:23] Reencoding: VID_00167 (25 of 62)
- [21:26:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00162]
- [21:26:39] Reencoding: VID_00162 (26 of 62)
- [21:26:54] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00180]
- [21:26:57] Reencoding: VID_00180 (27 of 62)
- [21:27:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00189]
- [21:27:19] Reencoding: VID_00189 (28 of 62)
- [21:27:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00190]
- [21:27:57] Reencoding: VID_00190 (29 of 62)
- [21:28:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00108]
- [21:28:39] Reencoding: VID_00108 (30 of 62)
- [21:29:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00172]
- [21:29:27] Reencoding: VID_00172 (31 of 62)
- [21:30:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00168]
- [21:30:08] Reencoding: VID_00168 (32 of 62)
- [21:30:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00160]
- [21:30:48] Reencoding: VID_00160 (33 of 62)
- [21:31:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00176]
- [21:31:29] Reencoding: VID_00176 (34 of 62)
- [21:32:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00164]
- [21:32:09] Reencoding: VID_00164 (35 of 62)
- [21:32:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00156]
- [21:32:49] Reencoding: VID_00156 (36 of 62)
- [21:33:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00155]
- [21:33:35] Reencoding: VID_00155 (37 of 62)
- [21:34:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00013]
- [21:34:53] Reencoding: VID_00013 (38 of 62)
- [21:35:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00152]
- [21:35:33] Reencoding: VID_00152 (39 of 62)
- [21:36:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00105]
- [21:36:17] Reencoding: VID_00105 (40 of 62)
- [21:37:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00112]
- [21:37:12] Reencoding: VID_00112 (41 of 62)
- [21:38:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00106]
- [21:38:11] Reencoding: VID_00106 (42 of 62)
- [21:39:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00014]
- [21:39:17] Reencoding: VID_00014 (43 of 62)
- [21:40:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00015]
- [21:40:14] Reencoding: VID_00015 (44 of 62)
- [21:41:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00111]
- [21:41:18] Reencoding: VID_00111 (45 of 62)
- [21:42:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00113]
- [21:42:21] Reencoding: VID_00113 (46 of 62)
- [21:43:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00109]
- [21:43:32] Reencoding: VID_00109 (47 of 62)
- [21:44:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00110]
- [21:44:48] Reencoding: VID_00110 (48 of 62)
- [21:45:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00124]
- [21:46:04] Reencoding: VID_00124 (49 of 62)
- [21:47:48] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00150]
- [21:47:54] Reencoding: VID_00150 (50 of 62)
- [21:49:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00151]
- [21:49:57] Reencoding: VID_00151 (51 of 62)
- [21:51:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00012]
- [21:51:35] Reencoding: VID_00012 (52 of 62)
- [21:53:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00016]
- [21:53:37] Reencoding: VID_00016 (53 of 62)
- [21:57:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [21:57:24] Reencoding: VID_00006 (54 of 62)
- [22:01:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00192]
- [22:02:00] Reencoding: VID_00192 (55 of 62)
- [22:04:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00007]
- [22:04:58] Reencoding: VID_00007 (56 of 62)
- [22:12:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009]
- [22:13:04] Reencoding: VID_00009 (57 of 62)
- [22:22:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [22:22:35] Reencoding: VID_00004 (58 of 62)
- [22:32:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
- [22:32:25] Reencoding: VID_00005 (59 of 62)
- [22:45:31] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [22:46:00] Reencoding: VID_00010 (60 of 62)
- [22:52:53] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [22:53:24] Reencoding: VID_00011 (61 of 62)
- [23:00:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [23:08:39] Reencoding: VID_00003 (62 of 62)
- [23:08:39] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
[04:41:04]PHASE ONE complete
[04:41:04]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [04:41:04] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[04:41:35] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[04:41:35]JOB: MADAGASCAR_2_NA finished.

By the way, guys--just so my post isn't all buisness: Happy Holidays! Hope yours is going swell, and you're all enjoying yourselves.

[cwh060]

I get the errors 20 seconds into the whole process so I am still trying to figure out what the problem is. I truly appreciate your help. Thanks

-Mariachidude

I get the exact same thing, I have the correct ffdshow, haali and avisynth. Ripped the Blu Ray twice with Any and still, 20 sec in get the error. I've checked, rechecked the ffdshow settings and still no success.

[10:39:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 38.89 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[10:39:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [10:39:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_05022]
- [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022 (1 of 48)
- [10:39:05] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144 frames
- [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
[10:39:06] - Failed video encode, aborted


I've tried older BDRE version with the same result. I'm stumped.

cwh

[jdobbs]

I get the exact same thing, I have the correct ffdshow, haali and avisynth. Ripped the Blu Ray twice with Any and still, 20 sec in get the error. I've checked, rechecked the ffdshow settings and still no success.

[10:39:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 38.89 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[10:39:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [10:39:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_05022]
- [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022 (1 of 48)
- [10:39:05] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144 frames
- [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
[10:39:06] - Failed video encode, aborted


I've tried older BDRE version with the same result. I'm stumped.

cwhI'll pick it up and try it.

[Capsbackup]

I get the exact same thing, I have the correct ffdshow, haali and avisynth. Ripped the Blu Ray twice with Any and still, 20 sec in get the error. I've checked, rechecked the ffdshow settings and still no success.

[10:39:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 38.89 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[10:39:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [10:39:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_05022]
- [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022 (1 of 48)
- [10:39:05] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144 frames
- [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
[10:39:06] - Failed video encode, aborted


I've tried older BDRE version with the same result. I'm stumped.

cwh

I was able to do a full disc backup to BD-25 of this same movie, Region A.( post # 6422 & 6425 above )
Make sure you only have the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders in your source folder. Interesting that my source file size is less than yours but the time is exactly the same. :confused:
My guess is you don't have something setup correctly or another codec pack is the problem.
Make sure, especially if you updated ffdshow to check your video decoder settings again. :cool:

[cwh060]

Make sure you only have the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders in your source folder. Interesting that my source file size is less than yours but the time is exactly the same. :confused:
My guess is you don't have something setup correctly or another codec pack is the problem.
Make sure, especially if you updated ffdshow to check your video decoder settings again. :cool:

I have both the BDMV and Certificate folders in my source for sure.

Only codec pak I have is ffdshow.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled ffdshow so many times now and still I get the same error.

Maybe a clue - I tried BDRB when no ffdshow was installed and the encode error came up, it's almost like BDRB can't find ffdshow.

Update 1 - I tried a few more things, running ccleaner and cleaning out the registry settings, removing folders etc. Then re-installed ffdshow rev3133, haali, and avsynth 2.7. Looks promissing now, at least it's plowing through the vids at this point.

Update 2 - Well it ran through, it reduced the main VID_00011 from 22G to 4G and 984kbs. I've set it up again with a higher quality setting and two pass encoding. 500% reduction is just a bit too much on the main movie :-)

cwh

[Race Guy]

jdobbs...., could you explain what effects the options on this HIDDENOPTS line will have?

DEINTERLACE=n n = 0/1/2 - 0=Off (not recommended), 1=Standard Mode, 2=Standard without blending

I just did a 1080i TV show & it has that "unwatchable stutter" on slow pans after rebuild. Any suggestions on which of the above "numbers" might help me out?

Thanks & have a Happy New Year!

[writersblock29]

@Jdobbs

Pecking around with the Madagascar rebuild, I'm able to confirm that the two audio tracks I mentioned did encode correctly; Nero Showtime will play back the main movie's .m2ts file, and allow me to select either track. Is there a way I can confirm what went wrong with the mux... somewhere in the work files, perhaps? This title is one that has PIP features (which uses one of the messed-up audio tracks), and I'm wondering if that's what is screwing it up. I've got several titles that also have PIP, and I'd be happy to give them runs to see how they fare. I'm just not sure how to give you anything useful other than the irritating, "It don't work." I'd also like to avoid what is certainly more irritating: "Got it to work... but I'm not sure what I did." :)

[chudm]

ok i couldnt do a full backup to bd25 of ac dc no bull bluray, so i have to choose to compress audio in order to avoid getting a pgs error, but now im having this error:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2757/erroracdc.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/erroracdc.jpg/)

[Capsbackup]

Can you change the sample rate to 48000Hz?

[chudm]

Can you change the sample rate to 48000Hz?

where can i do that? i dont see any option in bdrebuilder to do that! i know why it didnt worked a full backup to bd25 without choosing to compress audio (dts hdma its 8.49 gb, and pcm 5.1 audio track its about 4.5 gb)

[Aratar]

I noticed that on backups, all playlist (mpls) files altered by bd rebuilder are not being copied into the corresponding BACKUP/PLAYLIST destination folder. I don't know if that's intentional and it should not affect any blu-ray player, just for 100% compliance I thought I should mention it.

[ron spencer]

I noticed that on backups, all playlist (mpls) files altered by bd rebuilder are not being copied into the corresponding BACKUP/PLAYLIST destination folder. I don't know if that's intentional and it should not affect any blu-ray player, just for 100% compliance I thought I should mention it.

Mine are....you using old version? I just checked a backup...all in proper folders.

[Priapismic]

Oh, I think I know what Aratar means;
He doesn't understand that only the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders are needed to play the movie in the blu-ray player.

[jdobbs]

Oh, I think I know what Aratar means;
He doesn't understand that only the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders are needed to play the movie in the blu-ray player.

No. He's right. I just checked. When BD RB makes changes to the MPLS files (for reencoded segments), it doesn't copy them to BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST. That won't hurt anything -- but if the primary MPLS is ever damaged (by a deep scratch, for example), there wouldn't be a backup for the player to try. I'll correct that for the next release.

[klas]

It is very frustrating that on the second pass any problem (the computer freezes, the light is gone, .. etc) and have to restart the second run from the start and wait for me another 14 to 16 hours to obtain results .

I know it's a beta program but also facilitate the acceleration of results since it would be much faster it Bd rebuilder create security checkpoints and that second encode them start in the first, second,etc.

Thanks

[setarip_old]

@klas

Hi!

Based on how long it apparently takes your system to perform the conversion and the symptoms you've described, I'd speculate that your system is overheating.l..