BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[RobertM]

Ran into minor issues with a movie only backup of "From Up on Poppy Hill".

First, and least significantly, the film is about 1.1/2hr long, but the rebuilt m2ts file reports as about 3hrs with both VLC and WinExplorer. Doesn't cause significant playback issues, other than knowing where you are in the film.

More importantly, the subs are out of sync - in a specific way...

The playlist comprises 4 parts, as follows:
Part 1: 0:03:05 Intro credits, including subs.
Part 2: 1:24:15 Main body, including subs.
Part 3: 0:04:09 Closing credits, with subs at the very end.
Part 4: 0:00:00 Don't know what this is.

Adding those up, the total expected playlength should be about 1:31:29, while the reported length of the rebuilt file is 2:58:32.

In the rebuild m2ts file, the subs play fine for the first part (up to 03:05), but all subs in the second part are delayed by the very same 3 minutes and 5 sec. I suspect that the subs in part 3 might be delayed by by about 1:24:15, and that's why the total playlength gets extended so much.

The original rip is not too large, so there was no video encode required to fit a BD-25 (I set it to BD-50 to make SURE it wouldn't try to encode). I usually re-encode the audio to AC3, so I tried this again without re-encoding the audio; so no video or audio re-encode: the same delay is evident.

I then tried manually using tsMuxeR to simply join the 4 parts together into a new BD structure. Playlength is now reported as 01:31:29, as hoped, and the subs are all in sync.

I do recall seeing an issue like this in the past, where the reported playlength was about twice what was expected. I never associated that with the subs before, and didn't really worry about it, but now I think that perhaps there's something here that JD might want to investigate.

Here's the log, with an "inspect report" included at the end.


[07/11/14] BD Rebuilder v0.47.06 (beta)
[09:38:41] Source: FROM_UP_ON_POPPY_HILL_00020
- Input BD size: 16.56 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:31:30.776]
- Target BD size: 46.26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[09:38:42] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:38:42] Processing: VID_00023 (1 of 4)
- [09:38:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00023]
- [09:41:36] Reencoding video [VID_00023]
- [09:41:36] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [09:41:36] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [09:43:42] Processing: VID_00024 (2 of 4)
- [09:43:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00024]
- [09:46:37] Reencoding video [VID_00024]
- [09:46:37] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [09:46:37] Processing: VID_00025 (3 of 4)
- [09:46:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00025]
- [09:46:50] Reencoding video [VID_00025]
- [09:46:50] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [09:46:50] Processing: VID_00037 (4 of 4)
- [09:46:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00037]
- [09:46:54] Reencoding video [VID_00037]
- [09:46:54] Keeping original video (no reencode)
[09:46:54]PHASE ONE complete
[09:46:54]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [09:46:54] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[09:54:25] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[09:54:25] JOB: FROM_UP_ON_POPPY_HILL finished.
[07/11/14] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.47.06 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 215.64GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: 1.9.42.1, Ok
- FFDSHOW: 4422, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[07/11/14] Systems Settings Check complete

[mmick]

Also just want to ask your opinion about developing your own using Intel® Media SDK 2014. You already do good job coding BD-RB maybe you can give this a try.

I would very nice because he can have more control over the process, and improve the code whenever he wants. Of course that doesn´t stop him from talking with Pistachio from the other app to give some tips over possible issues (as Pistachio also had them, and in some part solved them) ;)

I think it is very good because most pcs have Quicksync-capable chips now (except AMD ones of course), and AFAIK it is must faster than OpenCL running on (most) AMD/NVIDIA GPUs. Correct me if I´m wrong.

[HWK]

I agree I am already using Media SDK 1.9 instead of 1.8 which is shipped with BD-RB and so far things are good. I am hoping it won't produce corrupted stream.

Also choosing highest quality in BD-RB, cause 70 avg usage during encode not bad.

[mmick]

Also choosing highest quality in BD-RB, cause 70 avg usage during encode not bad.

70 fps is fantastic, though on BD RB (using FRIM) at "same setting" (which on the command line can be that they are different settings, but I don´t know)) I get only around 50% of BD2AVCHD´s speed (using MVCenc)

I hope you guys make an 3D MVC (and also a substitute for x264?) Quicksync encoder, very light and fast, that can make BD RB the top of the mountain on BD reencoding. :D

[Sharc]

... I hope you guys make an 3D MVC (and also a substitute for x264?) Quicksync encoder, very light and fast, that can make BD RB the top of the mountain on BD reencoding. :D
Has BD-RB not always been there? :D
(Sometimes I wonder how long the still goggles-based 3D wave will last...)

[mmick]

(Sometimes I wonder how long the still goggles-based 3D wave will last...)

The only issue I have with 3D glasses is that my Samsung-offered glasses (SSG-5100GB/ZA) do not allow to close them in a small piece (like normal glasses).

Other than that, active 3D on my Samsung 6500 series is fantastic, and the batteries last long enough. Pitty my movie rental shop (in Germany) doesn´t have too many latest 3D movies, my previous store (in Portugal) had A LOT more 3D movies!

The best I can still buy, but in Germany there aren´t that many 3D versions unfortunately, and some must be UK import. :cool: In Portugal we use the "international" version with (also) PT subtitles; in Germany >90% are "germany localised versions" where they make basic versions with german/italian/russian/turkish languages... :mad:

[HWK]

70 fps is fantastic, though on BD RB (using FRIM) at "same setting" (which on the command line can be that they are different settings, but I don´t know)) I get only around 50% of BD2AVCHD´s speed (using MVCenc)

I hope you guys make an 3D MVC (and also a substitute for x264?) Quicksync encoder, very light and fast, that can make BD RB the top of the mountain on BD reencoding. :D

I was not refering to 70 fps, rather cpu usage. Frim quality=3 was used.

[mmick]

I was not refering to 70 fps, rather cpu usage. Frim quality=3 was used.

:p sorry, I was reading on my smartphone and I misread :D

With MVCenc I have an avg of 10% CPU but the FAN starts kicking as possibly the Quicksync circuit is doing overtime :D With FRIM my CPU tops 50%.

[gamete]

is it possible to have a setup of BD rebuilder for WIN7 64bit ??
thank you


ps sorry for my bad english

[Ch3vr0n]

what do you mean. BD runs just fine on a 64bit OS. There is no setup. Just unpack the zip file, place it somewhere and you're done

[gamete]

what do you mean. BD runs just fine on a 64bit OS. There is no setup. Just unpack the zip file, place it somewhere and you're done

setup of the option in the bd rebuilder

like...a


"use x264's internal LAVF for frame serving"

on or off with seven64bit and 4 core ??







it would take a FAQ section to indicate which option to select who win64 bit and who is not and for those who have 2 or 4 core, and how to set ffdshow with seven or win8 with 1 or more core

[Ch3vr0n]

that setting has no effect on the running of bdrb but of x264. It tells x264 whether or not to use ffdshow for image frameserving or its own internal frameserver. It has no impact on BDRB running a 32bit or 64bit OS. That's purely ur own choice. Same for FFDshow, 32bit or 64 doesn't matter. U set ffdshow up with w7 or w8 just like any other OS. U follow instructions in 1st post and ur done.

[gamete]

that setting has no effect on the running of bdrb but of x264. It tells x264 whether or not to use ffdshow for image frameserving or its own internal frameserver. It has no impact on BDRB running a 32bit or 64bit OS. That's purely ur own choice. Same for FFDshow, 32bit or 64 doesn't matter. U set ffdshow up with w7 or w8 just like any other OS. U follow instructions in 1st post and ur done.



jdobbs one year ago says me on "use x264's internal LAVF" with more cores

maybe my mistake

[HWK]

Just want to add x264 is very efficient when it comes to cpu usage. Even if you are using ffdshow it will still drive cpu to 100% in second pass or when doing single pass encode.

Only time this will not happen if it is waiting for input, or have very powerful cpu, I am talking about 24 cores or up xeon or similar, or doing analysis of stream for second pass.

[gamete]

i have


win7 64bit
4 core at 3.2ghz intel
6 gb RAM

i used
always bd25
two pass
high quality
normal priority
mpeg2 LIBAVCODEC
VC1 wm9
uncompressed all supported
"....and make sure MPEG2 decoding is enabled " NOT FOUND in the option of FFDSHOW . I SET LIBAVCODEC

and http://s13.imagestime.com/out.php/i961460_Nuovaimmaginebitmap3.jpg

is it ok ?

[Ch3vr0n]

then you're not following instructions. MPEG2 decoding is found in the video decoder part of ffdshow

[gamete]

then you're not following instructions. MPEG2 decoding is found in the video decoder part of ffdshow

exactly

but i have..... http://s13.imagestime.com/out.php/i961463_4.jpg

[gamete]

i have this file IMAX.Hubble.3D.mkv

is ti possible to convert in 2d with bdrebuilder ?

[HWK]

Mpeg2 decoding is enabled and your setting is fine. Basically it means ffdshow will use libavcodec to decode Mpeg2 stream and it should be that way.

[HWK]

i have this file IMAX.Hubble.3D.ITA.ENG.AC3.DTS.1080p.H.SBS.BluRay.x264-JG73.mkv

is ti possible to convert in 2d with bdrebuilder ?

We don't talk about torrents download over here. Buy it then we can help. :readrule:

[gamete]

We don't talk about torrents download over here. Buy it then we can help. :readrule:

but bdrebuilder accept mkv like an input !!!

[HWK]

but bdrebuilder accept mkv like an input !!!

Indeed it does and it also accept many other formats. However doom9 policy is to not offer help with downloads or the ones you don't own.

[Ch3vr0n]

exactly

but i have..... http://s13.imagestime.com/out.php/i961463_4.jpg

enabled means set the codec, so set it to libavcodec and we indeed can't help you any further. I've never seen a retail disc turned into an mkv legally with a volume label like IMAX.Hubble.3D.ITA.ENG.AC3.DTS.1080p.H.SBS.BluRay.x264-JG73.mkv

thats clearnly an illegal download. Sorry, my help for you on this matter is over

[Mark_Venture]

Not sure this is a bug, maybe more of a question?

I'm trying to back up Pirates of the Caribbean the curse of the black pearl bluray as Alt Movie Only - Intact Audio. I play my backups via my LG BD390 and LG BD570 bluray players (no DLNA, just stream from windows file share)

When playing the bluray itself the player, my Pioneer Elite VSX-21 shows DTS. The audio sounds much better, more spacial or deep, compared to the DD5.1 track (which sounds flat). When backing up, I'd like to keep that primary audio track in the MKV backup.

Unfortunately, when playing the MKV, the bluray player says "No Supported Audio Codec" and wont play the file.

Opening the MKV with Media Info I see the following...
Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Codec ID : A_PCM/INT/LIT
Duration : 2h 23mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Delay relative to video : 30ms
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
compared to my back up of Die Hard 2 which has the following for audio, and plays fine...
Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 3mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 2ms
Stream size : 1.30 GiB (17%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Is there anyway to backup Pirates to MKV, and get the DTS audio working?

If its not possible with BD-Rebuilder, is there another way?

(NOTE: backup to DVD-25 works fine, and plays fine. So while it is OK with that type of audio on a Bluray, its not ok for a streaming MKV.)

[HWK]

what setting you are using for alternate output?

[Mark_Venture]

what setting you are using for alternate output?I've always used...

MKV Container 1920x1080, Intact Audio

I tried "MKV Container 1920x1080, 192K AC3" but that gave me stereo output.

[mmick]

gamete:

I don´t know in Italy, but at least in most countries it is a crime to download movies.
Nevertheless, one thing is a backup (even via online) from something you own/paid for (Blu-ray,DVD, legit online buy on a format some device of yours doesn´t play), another is a pirated movie.

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, this thread may contain answer to your question

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170315 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170315)

Also just want to ask your opinion about developing your own using Intel® Media SDK 2014. You already do good job coding BD-RB maybe you can give this a try.1. I read that thread, but didn't see it.

2. I've thought about that. But I hate to repeat what has already been done in freeware. I may need to do it, though.

[jdobbs]

exactly

but i have..... http://s13.imagestime.com/out.php/i961463_4.jpg"Enabled" means selecting something other than "disabled".

[jdobbs]

but bdrebuilder accept mkv like an input !!!MKV does not imply an illegal download. There are lots of MKV files that aren't illegal downloads. For example -- one that you created yourself as a backup of a disc that you own...

The Doom9 forum rules specifically forbid this kind of discussion -- and continuing in the discussion may result in a strike.

[jdobbs]

I've always used...

MKV Container 1920x1080, Intact Audio

I tried "MKV Container 1920x1080, 192K AC3" but that gave me stereo output.If the output is PCM, and you've selected "Intact Audio" ... then the source is PCM.

[jdobbs]

@HWK, IVaN_000 and others

Ok, I'm confused. I got back from my trip last night -- and my Region A copy of "The Lego Movie" was waiting on my doorstep. I loaded it and... there's nothing unusual about it. The SSIF exists, and so do the two contributing M2TS files. The main playlist is 00098. The two M2TS files (00042.M2TS and 00065.M2TS) are sized appropriately (so combined they are equal to 00042.SSIF).

What gives? Is there more than one version of the release? There is only one listed anywhere I look. I sure hope the reports are against the actual commercial discs and not something that has been modified...

[jdobbs]

that setting has no effect on the running of bdrb but of x264. It tells x264 whether or not to use ffdshow for image frameserving or its own internal frameserver. It has no impact on BDRB running a 32bit or 64bit OS. That's purely ur own choice. Same for FFDshow, 32bit or 64 doesn't matter. U set ffdshow up with w7 or w8 just like any other OS. U follow instructions in 1st post and ur done.jdobbs one year ago says me on "use x264's internal LAVF" with more cores

maybe my mistakeIf you use that setting, and there is no other overriding parameter that forces another type of frame-serving, and you are on a 64 bit operating system; BD-RB will use the 64 bit version of X264 for the encode.

There is no special version or setup.

[SuLyMaN]

Sorry for the OT but the ss gamete posted is priceless :D
emule, utorrent, bittorent, jdownloader 2 and his "IMAX.Hubble.3D.mkv" legit file of a 3D bluray he owns. You guys are too hard on him.

[HWK]

@HWK, IVaN_000 and others

Ok, I'm confused. I got back from my trip last night -- and my Region A copy of "The Lego Movie" was waiting on my doorstep. I loaded it and... there's nothing unusual about it. The SSIF exists, and so do the two contributing M2TS files. The main playlist is 00098. The two M2TS files (00042.M2TS and 00065.M2TS) are sized appropriately (so combined they are equal to 00042.SSIF).

What gives? Is there more than one version of the release? There is only one listed anywhere I look. I sure hope the reports are against the actual commercial discs and not something that has been modified...

Jdobbs, most likely there is more than one version and no I am not using modified release version of disc. Does you version say "include bonus 3D movie" because mine doesn't.

Also want to add I also import movies outside of US and Canada as well, not all movies I have are from these regions.

[Mark_Venture]

If the output is PCM, and you've selected "Intact Audio" ... then the source is PCM.
Thank you. Understood, but I guess what I'm asking is... Is there a way, maybe an option, to have BD-Rebuilder convert the DTS inside the PCM to to DTS that isn't?

Like encode the PCM DTS in Pirates, to the DTS in the format used on say Die Hard 2 which works in the MKV?

If not possible in BD-Rebuilder, is it possible to do outside? (hopefully an "easy" way?)

[HWK]

Thank you. Understood, but I guess what I'm asking is... Is there a way, maybe an option, to have BD-Rebuilder convert the DTS inside the PCM to to DTS that isn't?

Like encode the PCM DTS in Pirates, to the DTS in the format used on say Die Hard 2 which works in the MKV?

If not possible in BD-Rebuilder, is it possible to do outside? (hopefully an "easy" way?)

In order to convert to DTS you will need to run through DTS encoder. Which is not included with BD-RB.

In other movies most likely audio was DTS-HD and it was downscale to DTS or contain dts and pcm track and during backup kept DTS.

It is certainly possible but not easy outside of BD-RB but will require encode which is not free and last time I check it was 1,495 USD.

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, most likely there is more than one version and no I am not using modified release version of disc. Does you version say "include bonus 3D movie" because mine doesn't.

Also want to add I also import movies outside of US and Canada as well, not all movies I have are from these regions.This (http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Movie-Everything-UltraViolet-Minifigure/dp/B00J11U4J6/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1405463623&sr=1-1&keywords=lego+movie+3d) is the one I got. I got that one because I believe someone in the thread mentioned this as the one having issues. At the time it was the only 3D version I found. It appears now, though, that there is another (cheaper) one.

[HWK]

This (http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Movie-Everything-UltraViolet-Minifigure/dp/B00J11U4J6/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1405463623&sr=1-1&keywords=lego+movie+3d) is the one I got. I got that one because I believe someone in the thread mentioned this as the one having issues. At the time it was the only 3D version I found. It appears now, though, that there is another (cheaper) one.

I can confirm mine is different, mine does not have in writing "Include Bonus 3D Movie" on cover.

[HWK]

2. I've thought about that. But I hate to repeat what has already been done in freeware. I may need to do it, though.

Intel have added some new feature in main SDK compare to one which was used to compile FRIM maybe worth a try.

[Blackwalker]

hi jdobbs,
sorry for my english :)

i use this fantastic program for a long time!
Now is a lot that i didnt read the forum and i have one question,
which is the difference in these options:

alternative decoding options
- Use X264's internal LAVF for frame serving
- Use DGDecNC for frame serving
- Use FRIMSource for frame serving

i have a I7 920 socket 1366, mobo sabertooth, 6gb ram, 500gb ssd

thanks :)

ps: there is somewhere a complete guide of this programa and for all the options (also the one in the ini file)?

[jdobbs]

hi jdobbs,
sorry for my english :)

i use this fantastic program for a long time!
Now is a lot that i didnt read the forum and i have one question,
which is the difference in these options:

alternative decoding options
- Use X264's internal LAVF for frame serving
- Use DGDecNC for frame serving
- Use FRIMSource for frame serving

i have a I7 920 socket 1366, mobo sabertooth, 6gb ram, 500gb ssd

thanks :)

ps: there is somewhere a complete guide of this programa and for all the options (also the one in the ini file)?They are just different ways that frames from the original video source can be fed to the X264 encoder.

If none of them are checked (the default), the frames will be sent via DirectShowSource(). This uses a standard Windows interface that, via AVISYNTH, decodes the video and presents it to the encoder.

- Use X264's internal LAVF for frame serving
X264 has an internal decoder called LAVF. When selected this tells BD-RB to, whenever possible, use LAVF. The disadvantage is that, since AVISYNTH is not used, no filters or other special features can be used.

- Use DGDecNV for frame serving
DGDecNV is an AVISYNTH decoding filter written by Neuron2. It requires a compatible Nvidia video card. Since it uses the video card for some of its functions it can be faster than other methods. It also has the advantage of frame-accurate seeking, which makes multiprocessing more efficient. DGDecNV is not free, it can be purchase for $15 from Neuron2.net. This is the one I use on my video computer.

- Use FRIMSource for frame serving
FRIMSource is an freeware AVISYNTH decoding filter written by videofan3d. It uses the Intel SDK, and is meant primarily for those users who have an intel-based video card that support Quick-Sync -- although it will work without it. If the video card exists and is enabled it can speed up decoding speeds significantly.

A guide is on my to-do list, and has been for a long time. I've just never gotten around to it.

[Mark_Venture]

In order to convert to DTS you will need to run through DTS encoder. Which is not included with BD-RB.

In other movies most likely audio was DTS-HD and it was downscale to DTS or contain dts and pcm track and during backup kept DTS.

It is certainly possible but not easy outside of BD-RB but will require encode which is not free and last time I check it was 1,495 USD.Cool. Thanks for the response.

I have the DVD's of the movies too, their DTS is fine when converted to MKV, so I'll try and pull that audio track out and merge it with the video BD Rebuilder created. I just have to match up that audio to this video since they are slightly off.

[Blackwalker]

They are just different ways that frames from the original video source can be fed to the X264 encoder.

If none of them are checked (the default), the frames will be sent via DirectShowSource(). This uses a standard Windows interface that, via AVISYNTH, decodes the video and presents it to the encoder.

- Use X264's internal LAVF for frame serving
X264 has an internal decoder called LAVF. When selected this tells BD-RB to, whenever possible, use LAVF. The disadvantage is that, since AVISYNTH is not used, no filters or other special features can be used.

- Use DGDecNV for frame serving
DGDecNV is an AVISYNTH decoding filter written by Neuron2. It requires a compatible Nvidia video card. Since it uses the video card for some of its functions it can be faster than other methods. It also has the advantage of frame-accurate seeking, which makes multiprocessing more efficient. DGDecNV is not free, it can be purchase for $15 from Neuron2.net. This is the one I use on my video computer.

- Use FRIMSource for frame serving
FRIMSource is an freeware AVISYNTH decoding filter written by videofan3d. It uses the Intel SDK, and is meant primarily for those users who have an intel-based video card that support Quick-Sync -- although it will work without it. If the video card exists and is enabled it can speed up decoding speeds significantly.

A guide is on my to-do list, and has been for a long time. I've just never gotten around to it.

thanks a lot jdobbs for your complete and nice answer :)
My config is:
I7 920 socket 1366, mobo sabertooth, 6gb ram, 500gb ssd

so i think i'll check DGDecNV for frame serving!!
i Always used LAVF with good result, not so fast, but good.
But i want the best, so i'll check DGDecNV for $15 i can do it!

thanks again!!!

[HWK]

thanks a lot jdobbs for your complete and nice answer :)
My config is:
I7 920 socket 1366, mobo sabertooth, 6gb ram, 500gb ssd

so i think i'll check DGDecNV for frame serving!!
i Always used LAVF with good result, not so fast, but good.
But i want the best, so i'll check DGDecNV for $15 i can do it!

thanks again!!!

Nice choice, I use it as well and one of best thing about it is it allows encoder to make best of target size.

[RobertM]

But i want the best, so i'll check DGDecNV for $15 i can do it!

I don't thing JD was saying that DGDecNV yields a higher quality encode, but that it is better a breaking up the source file and, therefore, more efficient in allocating resources during the encoding process. In other words, you buy DGDecNV for faster encode speed, not for better video quality.

[SuLyMaN]

Any thing like DGenNV for AMD GPU?

[jdobbs]

Any thing like DGenNV for AMD GPU?Not to my knowledge.

[mmick]

Any thing like DGenNV for AMD GPU?

Since AMD has the worse drivers, since AMD sold me an E-450 that "has UVD3 with 3D MVC hardware support" which does not, since AMD has lousy CPUs... I left AMD for a while.

[jdobbs]

I'm not thrilled with their GPUs -- but I am very pleased with AMD's CPUs. You get a lot of performance for a lot less money than Intel. If money or price/performance ratio isn't important, then Intel is ok. Also, can you imagine what Intel would be charging for their CPUs if AMD didn't exist as a competitor?