BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[omegaman7]

Major, I guess I figured I already posted about immortals audio track. Post 21482 (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1696097&postcount=21482):
"(The postman) VC-1 streams, TRUE HD audio 640Kbps
(IMMORTALS) AVC streams\ DTS-HD XLL 1509Kbps MA\Core"
I suppose I should make every reference possible. That way everyone concerned, has a reference point ;)

[MajorEvent]

Major, I guess I figured I already posted about immortals audio track. Post 21482 (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1696097&postcount=21482):
"(The postman) VC-1 streams, TRUE HD audio 640Kbps
(IMMORTALS) AVC streams\ DTS-HD XLL 1509Kbps MA\Core"
I suppose I should make every reference possible. That way everyone concerned, has a reference point ;)

I saw what you said about Immortals but when you say things like "same/similar" in reference to Se7en then it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. You know, is it the same or isn't it? That's all I'm asking...and I don't know if you were really clear about it yet even? Se7en has DTS-HD XLL, I'm guessing? See that word, "guessing"? ;)

Sorry to be a pill about the details.

[omegaman7]

I saw what you said about Immortals but when you say things like "same/similar" in reference to Se7en then it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. You know, is it the same or isn't it? That's all I'm asking...and I don't know if you were really clear about it yet even? Se7en has DTS-HD XLL, I'm guessing? See that word "guessing" ;)

Sorry to be a pill about the details.

You're not a pill. I totally understand what you're getting at. I said same/similar, because I didn't wanna say identical. I tend to hex things when i'm too confident lol :S While I've been encoding for some time, I'm certainly no expert. Not by a long shot. According to Mediainfo, they're identical.
I'll try to be more specific in the future. So as to not confuse, or leave things open for interpretation ;)

[MajorEvent]

You're not a pill. I totally understand what you're getting at. I said same/similar, because I didn't wanna say identical. I tend to hex things when i'm too confident lol :S While I've been encoding for some time, I'm certainly no expert. Not by a long shot. According to Mediainfo, they're identical.
I'll try to be more specific in the future. So as to not confuse, or leave things open for interpretation ;)

No problem! If you want to say "Mediainfo reports..." then your word is as good as gold for me. :)

[gonca]

@jdobbs
If you want I can uninstall TMT and PDVD and see if that makes a difference.
Let me know

[omegaman7]

@jdobbs
If you want I can uninstall TMT and PDVD and see if that makes a difference.
Let me know

I had TMT installed on my previous windows install. Currently, only MPC-HC is installed for my viewing pleasure lol.

[gonca]

Doesn't seem to be a TMT or PDVD issue

[omegaman7]

Doesn't seem to be a TMT or PDVD issue

I'm highly doubting that as well.

[jdobbs]

I'm leaning that way myself MajorEvent. Another VC-1 source(SE7EN) has completed, and audio is perfectly within sync. But I find it hard to believe JDobbs only tested VC-1 sources. AVC is an extremely common source.

SE7EN has same/similar audio format as IMMORTALS.Most of my tests were AVC, not VC-1. What it makes me believe is that some other AVC CODEC is interfering on your system.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Is it possible a bug?:

After selecting "Alternate Movie-Only Output" mode and deselecting "Output BD or AVCHD Compliant Structure" and choosing any of the mkv containers and getting the encode to complete the lastcmd still includes several command line options (limitations) relating to a BD compliant structure (e.g. --bluray-compat --ref 4).There's nothing wrong with that.

[jdobbs]

I'm leaning that way myself MajorEvent. Another VC-1 source(SE7EN) has completed, and audio is perfectly within sync. But I find it hard to believe JDobbs only tested VC-1 sources. AVC is an extremely common source.

SE7EN has same/similar audio format as IMMORTALS.Just as a clarifier... what kind of video card do each of you have? Is hardware acceleration shown as "enabled" in the LAV video configuration dialog?

[gonca]

GTX 680
Hardware acceleration set to none

[gonca]

This might be a dumb question but I feel I should ask.
For playback I use JRiver which has an earlier version of LAV. I also installed LAV 0.63 for Dolby Atmos decoding.

Omegaman7 has MPC-HC, which has LAV in its install. Could this be the issue. Multiple versions of LAV on a system.

[MajorEvent]

GTX 670 here, HW acceleration has been both on and off over the numerous re-encodes done so far. I haven't noticed a difference.

No old versions of LavFilters that I know of.

[jdobbs]

This might be a dumb question but I feel I should ask.
For playback I use JRiver which has an earlier version of LAV. I also installed LAV 0.63 for Dolby Atmos decoding.

Omegaman7 has MPC-HC, which has LAV in its install. Could this be the issue. Multiple versions of LAV on a system. Not sure about JRiver -- but I have HPC-HC installed and it doesn't seem to affect it at all.

[jdobbs]

I'm leaning that way myself MajorEvent. Another VC-1 source(SE7EN) has completed, and audio is perfectly within sync. But I find it hard to believe JDobbs only tested VC-1 sources. AVC is an extremely common source.

SE7EN has same/similar audio format as IMMORTALS.This is interesting... and makes me feel I'm getting closer. If I go into the LAVFilter's video configuration and uncheck AVC (disabling LAV for AVC decoding) -- the output using whatever codec is there -- is out of sync by about a second or more.

This makes me think that in your cases whatever AVC decoder is there by default (before LAVFilters installation) with Win7/8 is being used rather than LAV... perhaps it isn't being overridden in your install. That might have something to do with the Win7 default settings -- which had to be manually set by BD-RB when using FFDSHOW -- maybe they need to be forced for LAV also???

Can you check and make sure AVC decoding is checked under formats in the video configuration?

[jdobbs]

Could one of you out-of-sync guys look at your registry see what value you have set for these keys:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\DirectShow\Preferrred\{31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\DirectShow\Preferred\{31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}

This is the AVC preferred CODEC.

[Mark_Venture]

Not to derail your LAVFilter discussions, but any idea why Alt Movie Only to MKV (1920x1080 intact Audio) backups are now taking longer than before?

On 09/05/14 Using v0.47.07 (beta) Source: 34255889_PRESTIGE_NA_00011
- Input BD size: 30.75 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:10:29.822]
Started at 13:44:44 ended at 15:46:17 (2hrs 2 min)

On 09/30/14 using v0.47.07 (beta) Source: IMAX_HUBBLE_BD80_00100
- Input BD size: 9.67 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:43:58.635]
Started at 18:06:20 and completed at 18:56:15 (about 50 minutes)

on 10/06/14 using v0.49.02 (beta) Source: IMAX_HUBBLE_BD80_00100
- Input BD size: 9.67 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:43:58.635]
Started at 11:27:14 and completed at 12:26:37 (about 59 minutes)

Today, using v0.49.04 (beta) Source: THE_MONUMENTS_MEN_00001
- Input BD size: 26.13 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:58:23.095]
Started at 11:32:41 and completed at 15:55:06 (about 4hs 20 min).

[jdobbs]

Nothing has changed in that area -- except a newer version of X264. Are you sure the quality setting is the same on both runs? I corrected some code that decided what setting to use when "Automatic" was chosen. The older version would have been more likely to use a faster/lower quality setting in that case -- when it really didn't apply to ALTERNATE encodes (based upon target BD size). It also makes a huge difference if your computer is being used for other tasks at the time of the encode -- as "IDLE" is the default priority for encodes and other processes would likely have a higher priority.

[gonca]

Those are the two registry keys I have

[gonca]

I don't know if this is relevant but I just dragged an AVC m2ts into GraphStudio and it tells me that the video decoder is Microsoft DTV-DVD

[MajorEvent]

could one of you out-of-sync guys look at your registry see what value you have set for these keys:

Hkey_local_machine\software\microsoft\directshow\preferrred\{31435641-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71}
hkey_local_machine\software\wow6432node\microsoft\directshow\preferred\{31435641-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71}

this is the avc preferred codec.

{212690fb-83e5-4526-8fd7-74478b7939cd}
{212690fb-83e5-4526-8fd7-74478b7939cd}

which refers to the Microsoft DTV-DVD codec.


Can you check and make sure AVC decoding is checked under formats in the video configuration?

it is selected (h264).

[MajorEvent]

I think I hear the gears turning inside jdobbs head...I can somehow feel a fix in the works and LAVFilters making a comeback to BD-Rebuilder. ;D

[gonca]

I just took ownership of the audio and video decoder dlls so I could rename them, and now GraphStudio shows LAV for both audio and video. I'll run a quick test

[gonca]

Houston, we have sync!!!
The issue is now corrected on my system.

[MajorEvent]

Houston, we have sync!!!
The issue is now corrected on my system.

Excellent. With that confirmation, jdobbs knows he's on the right track now and I'm sure he'll be able to implement a fix soon and bring back LAVFilters. I bet he hates having to re-edit the first page so soon again :D

[gonca]

MajorEvent
Just rename the audio and video decoders as stated here http://www.makeyoutubevideo.com/disablemicrosoftdtvdvdvideodecoder.html and re install LAV. Check with GraphStudio

[MajorEvent]

MajorEvent
Just rename the audio and video decoders as stated here http://www.makeyoutubevideo.com/disablemicrosoftdtvdvdvideodecoder.html and re install LAV. Check with GraphStudio

Thanks for the link. That's really good of you. :) I grabbed a copy of graphstudio that I'll install later. I don't have any real pending re-encodes right now so for the moment I'll wait for a BD-Rebuilder update (I swear I can hear the gears turning in jdobbs head...I think he's working on it right now. ;) )

[Sharc]

I don't know if this is relevant but I just dragged an AVC m2ts into GraphStudio and it tells me that the video decoder is Microsoft DTV-DVD
I don't have the out-of-sync problem, but still:
Using Graphstudionext (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/GraphStudio) on an .m2ts source:
32-bit: connects to LAV video {EE30215D-164F-4A92-A4EB-9D4C13390F9F} and LAV audio
64-bit: connects to DTV-DVD {212690FB-83E5-4526-8FD7-74478B7939CD} and LAV audio

@jdobbs:
The registry values for the preferred codecs
{96B9D0ED-8D13-4171-A983-B84D88D627BE}
{04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}

My OS is Windows 7/64bit

[nevcairiel]

There are also tools to override the preferred filter without entirely breaking it by disabling it on a file level, ie this: http://www.codecguide.com/windows7_preferred_filter_tweaker.htm

I've pondered before if I should make the LAV installer set its decoders as the preferred decoders, however it may break stuff in some applications, which is why I didn't do that (ie. TV playback in WMC usually breaks), and most competent players have their own functions to prefer filters over the Microsoft ones.

[Sharc]

Thanks for chiming in!
Yes, the filter tweak works. I feel we are getting close to the solution now.
And thanks for LAV :thanks:

[jdobbs]

There are also tools to override the preferred filter without entirely breaking it by disabling it on a file level, ie this: http://www.codecguide.com/windows7_preferred_filter_tweaker.htm

I've pondered before if I should make the LAV installer set its decoders as the preferred decoders, however it may break stuff in some applications, which is why I didn't do that (ie. TV playback in WMC usually breaks), and most competent players have their own functions to prefer filters over the Microsoft ones.When BD-RB sets the registry entries (the first time it runs) for FFDSHOW -- it does exactly the same thing as that tool. But currently it doesn't do it for LAVFilters, mainly because it wasn't necessary on my system.

I'm guessing that may be the key. I'll see if I can create a new installer for LAVFilters that sets the values -- and see if it works to fix the issue on MajorEvent's system (since he hasn't modified it yet).

[MajorEvent]

and see if it works to fix the issue on MajorEvent's system (since he hasn't modified it yet).

Yep, my systems still pristinely messed up so I'm happy to test any changes. :D


32-bit: connects to LAV video {EE30215D-164F-4A92-A4EB-9D4C13390F9F} and LAV audio
64-bit: connects to DTV-DVD {212690FB-83E5-4526-8FD7-74478B7939CD} and LAV audio...,My OS is Windows 7/64bit

I'm rocking Windows 7 x64 Pro SP1. Seeing your result I wouldn't be surprised if the problem is limited to 64 bit systems or even Windows 7 x64. Was there anyone with Windows 8 or 8.1 x64 (or Windows 10 x64 TP ;)) who had the problem?

@nevcairiel: Thank you for checking in on our problem. I had a feeling you would and you should know it's appreciated. :thanks:

[jdobbs]

There are also tools to override the preferred filter without entirely breaking it by disabling it on a file level, ie this: http://www.codecguide.com/windows7_preferred_filter_tweaker.htm

I've pondered before if I should make the LAV installer set its decoders as the preferred decoders, however it may break stuff in some applications, which is why I didn't do that (ie. TV playback in WMC usually breaks), and most competent players have their own functions to prefer filters over the Microsoft ones.Can you create a special installer that sets the preferred settings (at least for AVC, VC-1 and MPEG-2)? I tried modifying the .iss file to force the change, but it didn't work. I don't think I'm familiar enough with Inno installer to do it correctly. I put the entries in "[Registry]" section and even used the "Permissions" parameter -- but it didn't change the values.

If not I can modify BD-RB to manually change the preferred settings at startup (like I do for FFDSHOW) -- but that way is kind of a cludge since I have to ask the user to run BD-RB as Administrator the first time it is run.

[Edit] Never mind. I got the customized installer working...

[omegaman7]

Sounds like you got this figured out. So you won't need anything else at the time being ;)

[Mark_Venture]

Nothing has changed in that area -- except a newer version of X264. Are you sure the quality setting is the same on both runs? I corrected some code that decided what setting to use when "Automatic" was chosen. The older version would have been more likely to use a faster/lower quality setting in that case -- when it really didn't apply to ALTERNATE encodes (based upon target BD size). It also makes a huge difference if your computer is being used for other tasks at the time of the encode -- as "IDLE" is the default priority for encodes and other processes would likely have a higher priority.
I always change to Normal priority, and usually just walk away from the PC as BD Rebuilder runs, so other than background windows tasks, BD Rebuilder is the only thing running.

Two ini file changes I just noticed.. ENCODE_QUALITY=2 (when it was running slow) vs ENCODE_QUALITY=0 (when it was fast). And ONEPASS_ENCODING=0 (when it was slow) vs ONEPASS_ENCODING=2 (when fast).

Based on a thread discussing on ENCODE_QUALITY=X (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165326), I'm thinking that is the difference. Its possible I missed settings -> Encoder -> Auto Quality, and maybe the default HQ was selected instead? (I'm guessing because when I look at the ini with AUTO Quality, the value is 0, when HQ is selected, the value is 2, and 2 is supposed to be slower).

[jdobbs]

I always change to Normal priority, and usually just walk away from the PC as BD Rebuilder runs, so other than background windows tasks, BD Rebuilder is the only thing running.

Two ini file changes I just noticed.. ENCODE_QUALITY=2 (when it was running slow) vs ENCODE_QUALITY=0 (when it was fast). And ONEPASS_ENCODING=0 (when it was slow) vs ONEPASS_ENCODING=2 (when fast).

Based on a thread discussing on ENCODE_QUALITY=X (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165326), I'm thinking that is the difference. Its possible I missed settings -> Encoder -> Auto Quality, and maybe the default HQ was selected instead? (I'm guessing because when I look at the ini with AUTO Quality, the value is 0, when HQ is selected, the value is 2, and 2 is supposed to be slower).The way it works now is:

1. If you have selected a specific quality setting -- it is used.
2, If you have selected "Automatic" then "High Quality (Default)" is used

That's because automatic quality only applies to encodes that have a target selected (BD-5, BD-9, BD-25, BD-50, or custom).

A setting of "2" translates as "High Quality (Default)" and would definitely be slower than "0" which is "Good (Very Fast)" -- but it would also usually result in a smaller file (while maintaining the same quality) in CRF mode.

As for ONPASS_ENCODING -- it doesn't apply to ALTERNATE encodes but it would make a huge difference on a standard movie-only backup.

BTW, if you aren't doing something else on the computer, IDLE and NORMAL priority would likely result in the same time. Priority only matters when processes are competing for resources.

[Glarioo]

Just as a clarifier... what kind of video card do each of you have? Is hardware acceleration shown as "enabled" in the LAV video configuration dialog?

Hardware acceleration = none.
Using an old ATI Radeon HD5670 videocard.
AVC decoding is selected (h264).
Windows 7 x64 Pro SP1 is installed.

[Glarioo]

It seems there's a solution coming for LAV out of sync.

Run "Hachi" last night and it was perfectly in sync using LAV filters (0.62.0).
Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080. Audio: DTS-HD High-Res audio.
Output: MKV Container, 1920x1080, 640Kbs DD5.1.

[jdobbs]

@MajorEvent

Please download and install LAVFilters using this customized installer (http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/LAVFilters-0.63-BDRB.exe) that sets the preferred entry in the registry, and let me know if it solves the out-of-sync issue. I'd appreciate it if you can let me know as soon as possible.

Thanks.

[omegaman7]

@MajorEvent

Please download and install LAVFilters using this customized installer (http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/LAVFilters-0.63-BDRB.exe) that sets the preferred entry in the registry, and let me know if it solves the out-of-sync issue. I'd appreciate it if you can let me know as soon as possible.

Thanks.

I downloaded\installed it as well. Won't know til after work though :p

But I see that Bd rebuilder once again, said it had to make a change to the registry for FFDshow. I suspect you intended that though?

[jdobbs]

I downloaded\installed it as well. Won't know til after work though :p

But I see that Bd rebuilder once again, said it had to make a change to the registry for FFDshow. I suspect you intended that though?Hold up that job.

It only does that if there are indications in the registry that FFDSHOW is installed. If FFDSHOW is installed then it will override the setting that was just made by the installer -- and FFDSHOW will be used rather than LAV. I made BD-RB use FFDSHOW if it is installed -- but I will likely change that later, assuming LAV proves to work properly.

Uninstall FFDSHOW/HAALI and then install from the download again, and then LAV would be set as the default.

[Samson777]

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[MajorEvent]

@MajorEvent

Please download and install LAVFilters using this customized installer (http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/LAVFilters-0.63-BDRB.exe) that sets the preferred entry in the registry, and let me know if it solves the out-of-sync issue. I'd appreciate it if you can let me know as soon as possible.

Thanks.

Just starting now...results coming soon

[jdobbs]

@Samson777

You set "Quick Encode for Extras" -- which does a single pass CRF encode. When you do that the size could get larger or smaller -- it depends on what it takes to get constant quality. You can do one of two things:

1. Uncheck "Quick Encode for Extras". Then the Extras and Main Feature will get space proportional to their original size.
2. Change the CRF value used for quick encodes in the Config/INI file (see QUICK_CRF in HIDDENOPTS.TXT). The default for BD-25 is 20, if you change it to, say, 25, the extras will take less space and have a lower quality. Higher values will do it even more. The maximum is 50 -- but it looks terrible.

[omegaman7]

Ok JD, thanks for the quick reply :)

[Samson777]

0o.........10

[jdobbs]

If you uncheck "Quicker Encode for Extras" then QUICK_CRF will have no effect at all. If you want to raise the QUICK_CRF value and make the extras smaller, you have to have it checked.

The output size is always going to be the same... it has to be so it can fit on the target you've selected (BD-5, BD-9, BD-25, or BD-50). If you keep fewer audio tracks, then it will save the space required for audio -- and the extra space will be used to improve the video quality. You'll see the bitrate used for video increase. It can be fairly small, though, depending upon the type of audio you removed -- video generally needs a lot more bandwidth than audio.

[MajorEvent]

Hold up that job.

It only does that if there are indications in the registry that FFDSHOW is installed. If FFDSHOW is installed then it will override the setting that was just made by the installer -- and FFDSHOW will be used rather than LAV. I made BD-RB use FFDSHOW if it is installed -- but I will likely change that later, assuming LAV proves to work properly.

Uninstall FFDSHOW/HAALI and then install from the download again, and then LAV would be set as the default.

Glad I saw this as I had ffdshow and haali installed with LAVFilters 0.62 on top.

Removed ffdshow, haali, and LAVFilters 0.62. Reboot. Installed LAVFilters 0.63-BDRB flavor. Running re-encode on Non-Stop MPEG4 (AVC) DTS-HD XLL. Takes about an hour for High Speed Option (BD25+) 2-pass. Re-encode is running now. Graphstudio still reports Microsoft DTV-DVD for video of the Non-Stop movie file 00023.m2ts.

Speaking of how long it takes :), I am looking forward to the new Haswell-e CPU's. I hear there will be a $300 range 6-core and, of course, some pricier 8 cores all with higher clocks too. I noticed a big difference going from my older quad core, i7-920, to the i7-3930 six core (water cooled overclock to 4.2 GHz also). I'm drooling over those 8-cores.

[jdobbs]

Graphstudio still reports Microsoft DTV-DVD for video of the Non-Stop movie file 00023.m2ts.Hmmm.... how can that be?

Can you look at this registry entry and report its value (this assumes you are on a 64bit system):

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\DirectShow\Preferred\{31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}

If the LAV installer I created worked properly it should say "{EE30215D-164F-4A92-A4EB-9D4C13390F9F}"