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jdobbs
31st May 2010, 02:15
@jdobbs
So, based on what you and "deank" now say (Changing copy protection flag of no benefit) is there a valid purpose/benefit for beta testing in using v.34.02? Yes. It is the latest and the only one I will support. It also will correct issues related to other ripping packages.
For example:I would just like to thank everyone involved with the workaround for the ps3 problem. I have tried a recent backup that would not play before but now plays perfectly after another burn with the new settings.:thanks:
setarip_old
31st May 2010, 04:04
@jdobbs
Thanks for clarifying ;>}
Rob_G
31st May 2010, 08:46
Ok, I finally narrowed down the cause for pass 2 encoding failures. X264 cannot read the stats file if it's not on 'local' disk! If you are running virtualbox (example) as I am and your work area is on a mapped drive, a 2 pass encode will fail at the beginning of pass 2.
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64
x264 [error]: ratecontrol_init: can't open stats file
x264 [error]: x264_encoder_open failed
I moved the stats file to the C: drive and executed the last command from lastcmd.txt, except the path for the stats file was modified accordingly. It worked - finally!
Rob
deank
31st May 2010, 10:15
Yes. It is the latest and the only one I will support. It also will correct issues related to other ripping packages.
The author of DVDfab replied, so it will be okay...
Hi Dean,
Thank you very much for the link.
DVDFab 7 will remove the copy protection flag, but old version of DVDFab
(maybe 6?) does not remove it.
Best Regards,
Fengtao
jdobbs
31st May 2010, 19:00
Ok, I finally narrowed down the cause for pass 2 encoding failures. X264 cannot read the stats file if it's not on 'local' disk! If you are running virtualbox (example) as I am and your work area is on a mapped drive, a 2 pass encode will fail at the beginning of pass 2.
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64
x264 [error]: ratecontrol_init: can't open stats file
x264 [error]: x264_encoder_open failed
I moved the stats file to the C: drive and executed the last command from lastcmd.txt, except the path for the stats file was modified accordingly. It worked - finally!
Rob I'd have to guess that the error is with the virtual drive software rather than X264. I'm sure that simple system calls to the O/S are made for opening and closing files... Sometimes you will find that these types of software have delays (due to cache flushes etc.) in closing even though they return control to the program. Then when the program attempts to reopen -- the file appears to still be in use. Just guessing -- but I've seen it before (especially with antivirus software that does realtime scanning). I remember having to modify a program to delay reopening a file for a half a second before because of A/V delays.
eTiMaGo
31st May 2010, 19:13
An additional note to the PS3/copy protection bug, on my trusty old Sony S350, previews, warnings, menu videos would just be black... they would play through, and I would see the menu graphical elements, but no video.
After re-burning a couple movies with that ImgBurn setting, they play like a charm!
Sooo... Thanks DVDFab, you were an interesting experiment but I'll stick with AnyDVD :D
deank
31st May 2010, 19:51
I guess LIGHTNINGUK should default this option to [x] :)
santito
31st May 2010, 22:37
i have a bluray that the bdrebuilder detect it as.. 24fps
is there any way that my NTSC console will play it after compressed?
24 is the most used speed you will find on BD so dont worry.
jdobbs
1st June 2010, 00:10
i have a bluray that the bdrebuilder detect it as.. 24fps
is there any way that my NTSC console will play it after compressed? If the original plays at that speed, why wouldn't a copy?
santito
1st June 2010, 02:21
i was under the impression that blurays was 23.976
well the case is that i already did the compression and didnt work
jdobbs
1st June 2010, 03:17
i was under the impression that blurays was 23.976
well the case is that i already did the compression and didnt workIt typically is 23.976fps -- but 24fps is also a legal blu-ray framerate. Here is info from "The Authoritative Blu-Ray FAQ" (http://www.hughsnews.ca/faqs/authoritative-blu-ray-disc-bd-faq):
kcfong2
1st June 2010, 11:48
Hi Jdobbs,
I've been using your BD Rebuilder for a few months now. My BD player is a PS3 fat 80gb.
My typical archive process is to use use your product to extract MOVIE ONLY and size it to BD25. I use highest quality, 2-pass, and extract only one ENG subtitle and one ENG language track. I do NOT convert any of the audio (I keep the HD track intact).
With 2012 and now Avatar, I have been experiencing skipping. There may be other titles, but I don't watch my backups often... 2012 and Avatar happen to be the two I've watched recently using my archive copy. I thought this was related to my PS3, possibly overheating, but, in researching the various blogs and threads, it appears that it may be related to what BD Rebuilder is doing. If I play back a complete, uncompressed copy of the movie (using a 50gb BD-R), I do not get skipping issues.
The skipping generally occurs significantly into the movie (with Avatar, it was around the 1:39 mark, with 2012, I can't recall, but it was about 2/3rds through the movie). The symptom is skipping... as though the disc were dirty or scratched. It will randomly jump to other portions of the movie, and sometimes restart play from the beginning. Again, playback of an uncompressed copy on 50GB BDR plays fine..
At the moment, I am trying the following alternative: Use CLOWNBD to extract movie only, use RIPBOT264 to compress to 23gb and then use TSMUXER to remux the DTS Master back in (ripbot264 converts audio to linear pcm which I don't like because of the size). As I am still demuxing/muxing at this very moment (about 4 hours to go), I cannot tell you if the problem is replicated... my suspicion is that all will be well.
I report this to you only because I saw in a thread that back in 2008/2009 you identified and corrected a PS3 skipping issue... I am wondering if this "bug" was reintroduced.
I unfortunately do not have a BDRebuilder log for you (I've deleted the directory)... I can get one for you by going through the process again, but would only do it if you need it (as it takes 7-8 hours to run).
Hope this is enough for you to start with. Let me know if you need more.
Thanks.
-Kevin.
I experienced a severe undersizing with latest 34.02 when trying a BD5 conversion.
The resulting m2ts was only 1.54gb WITH two AC3 files.
[02:58:57] BD Rebuilder v0.34.02 (beta)
- Source: GREMLINS
- Input BD size: 21,40 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:46:15.702]
- Target BD size: 4,27 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[02:58:58] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [02:58:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [03:11:12] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [03:11:12] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 152.864 frames
- [03:11:12] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 24,59 [37,29]
- [03:13:46] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [05:04:06] Video Encode complete
- [05:04:06] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [05:07:17] Multiplexing M2TS
[05:08:12]PHASE ONE complete
[05:08:12]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [05:08:12] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[05:09:33] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[05:09:33]JOB: GREMLINS finished.
[Status]
LABEL=GREMLINS
VERSION=v0.34.02 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=22982430720
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=22982430720
TARGET_SIZE=4581228544
REDUCTION=.199336118960353
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=deu;eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=1
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00000]
AUDIO=01000100000
PGS=110001110110111101
M2TS_TARGET=4581228544
NSIZE=584982528
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
jdobbs
1st June 2010, 13:53
Hi Jdobbs,
I've been using your BD Rebuilder for a few months now. My BD player is a PS3 fat 80gb.
My typical archive process is to use use your product to extract MOVIE ONLY and size it to BD25. I use highest quality, 2-pass, and extract only one ENG subtitle and one ENG language track. I do NOT convert any of the audio (I keep the HD track intact).
With 2012 and now Avatar, I have been experiencing skipping. There may be other titles, but I don't watch my backups often... 2012 and Avatar happen to be the two I've watched recently using my archive copy. I thought this was related to my PS3, possibly overheating, but, in researching the various blogs and threads, it appears that it may be related to what BD Rebuilder is doing. If I play back a complete, uncompressed copy of the movie (using a 50gb BD-R), I do not get skipping issues.
The skipping generally occurs significantly into the movie (with Avatar, it was around the 1:39 mark, with 2012, I can't recall, but it was about 2/3rds through the movie). The symptom is skipping... as though the disc were dirty or scratched. It will randomly jump to other portions of the movie, and sometimes restart play from the beginning. Again, playback of an uncompressed copy on 50GB BDR plays fine..
At the moment, I am trying the following alternative: Use CLOWNBD to extract movie only, use RIPBOT264 to compress to 23gb and then use TSMUXER to remux the DTS Master back in (ripbot264 converts audio to linear pcm which I don't like because of the size). As I am still demuxing/muxing at this very moment (about 4 hours to go), I cannot tell you if the problem is replicated... my suspicion is that all will be well.
I report this to you only because I saw in a thread that back in 2008/2009 you identified and corrected a PS3 skipping issue... I am wondering if this "bug" was reintroduced.
I unfortunately do not have a BDRebuilder log for you (I've deleted the directory)... I can get one for you by going through the process again, but would only do it if you need it (as it takes 7-8 hours to run).
Hope this is enough for you to start with. Let me know if you need more.
Thanks.
-Kevin. The symptom you are describing sounds more like a media problem than anything related to the rebuild. It would be very difficult for BD-RB to create a "skip". But I'll take a look.
jdobbs
1st June 2010, 13:55
I experienced a severe undersizing with latest 34.02 when trying a BD5 conversion.
The resulting m2ts was only 1.54gb WITH two AC3 files.
[02:58:57] BD Rebuilder v0.34.02 (beta)
- Source: GREMLINS
- Input BD size: 21,40 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:46:15.702]
- Target BD size: 4,27 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[02:58:58] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [02:58:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [03:11:12] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [03:11:12] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 152.864 frames
- [03:11:12] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 24,59 [37,29]
- [03:13:46] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- [05:04:06] Video Encode complete
- [05:04:06] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [05:07:17] Multiplexing M2TS
[05:08:12]PHASE ONE complete
[05:08:12]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [05:08:12] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[05:09:33] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[05:09:33]JOB: GREMLINS finished.
The CRF is very high. That's the problem with CRF prediction. Sometimes the sample just isn't representative of the whole. It seems a little odd too, to hit the CRF in only the second iteration when there is that much difference (24.59 -> 37.29).
chudm
1st June 2010, 17:22
ok this is not an "issue" or a bug.. i made a bluray on adobe premiere.. but im having a problem converting it to bd5, its a very short clip that premiere did on the structure, but i get this:
[11:43:50] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:43:50] Reencoding: VID_00001 (2 of 10)
- [11:43:50] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1280x720
- Rate/Length: 59,940fps, 24 frames
- [11:43:50] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.34.02 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
[11:43:51] - Failed video encode, aborted
is there any way to skip it and replace it with the original or something? cause the overall progress its at 90% and i want to compress the other videos!
Sorry if you have to delete this jdobbs, but i dont know where else to ask :rolleyes:
worknstiff
2nd June 2010, 01:13
It must be a really short clip, only 24 Frames made even shorter by the extremely fast rate ( Rate/Length: 59,940fps, 24 frames ) Anyway why reencode such a short clip?
chudm
2nd June 2010, 01:20
It must be a really short clip, only 24 Frames made even shorter by the extremely fast rate ( Rate/Length: 59,940fps, 24 frames ) Anyway why reencode such a short clip?
yeap really short, but it was created by adobe encore.. and i want a full backup to bd5, but keep having the same problem, i was wondering is there any way to skip that clip or something?
Hi jdobbs
First of all thanks for such a great program, I canīt really tell the difference between the original and the copy.
I recently did Avatar leaving all the audios at the highest quality and with two passes.
Then I burned it with Imgburn at 4x, when I play it on the pc with powerdvd works fine, but when I try to play it on the ps3 on a 50' Plasma sometimes I get some strange horizontal like transparent lines on the top of the screen, the lines are 6 cm height and cover all the screen horizontaly, the lines do not appear always on the same time, because i rewind and play the same part again and the lines disappear, but then again appear at any time of the movie.
When I play the original movie, I donīt have this problem.
Thanks for your help
gamete
2nd June 2010, 06:58
how do i set up the second pass?
if with one pass my pc work 20 hours , with 2 passes works 40 hours?:helpful:
raspi2
2nd June 2010, 18:00
no, the first pass runs much faster and the whole encode should be about the same amount of time. Under Settings, Encoder Settings, uncheck the One Pass options and it will run at two pass.
gamete
2nd June 2010, 18:14
no, the first pass runs much faster and the whole encode should be about the same amount of time. Under Settings, Encoder Settings, uncheck the One Pass options and it will run at two pass.
thanks
have you seen improvements by the second pass?
raspi2
2nd June 2010, 19:49
honestly, i have never done a One Pass encode. Basically the difference is that if you do a first pass encode, it averages out your bitrate for every frame so you may be applying too much bitrate in some scenes and not enough in others. When you do a two-pass, the first pass basically analyzes the frames and determines what bitrate should be used for each scene, although the average bitrate remains the same throughout the whole movie. I believe the two-pass method is the best, but then again, as I said, I don't do one pass encodes just because i have always done multi pass encodes with tv shows using vdub and dvds using cce. Hope this helps.
kcfong2
2nd June 2010, 22:33
The symptom you are describing sounds more like a media problem than anything related to the rebuild. It would be very difficult for BD-RB to create a "skip". But I'll take a look.
I have an update for you. This is a really bizarre issue, and I think part of it is related to a faulty PS3, but I do think that BDR is playing a role. Here are my latest findings/tests:
I have three PS3's. A "newer" 160gb (two laser) (call it unit A), and an older 60 and 40gb unit (single lasers) (call them Unit B and C).
I ripped Avatar with Anydvd, and then used your latest BDR to resize it to a BD25, using highest quality, 2-pass, and extracting only one english audio and subtitle track.
This BD25 copy plays up to about the 1:41 mark and then starts skipping on my Unit A. Just an FYI, a rip of 2012 did the same thing. At first, I thought it was faulty media, a scratch or finger print. I burned another copy to a BD-RW, and it too did the same skipping. Strange thing is, it doesn't always occur at exactly the same timespot, but generally 1/2-2/3rds the way into the video.
Then, as I described in my earlier post, I decided to rip the movie with ClownBD, and compress it using RipBot264. After doing this, and burning it to a BD25, I played it in Unit A, and guess what... it worked. I then played the BDR copy, and again, after about 1 hour, 41min, it started skipping again (on both the BD25 and BD-RW).
So, I then played the "suspect" discs in Unit B and C, and they played perfectly! So, I suspect that my Unit A is a faulty and am sending it in to Sony for repair.
However, as I stated earlier, I am suspecting that SOMETHING is resulting from BD Rebuilder as well... because why would the ClownBD/RipBot264 routine result in a disc that DOES play with no skipping?
So I don't have an answer, and I *do* think it is related to my PS3, but what difference is there between the BDR and ClownBD/RipBot burns that makes the latter work, and BDR not? For what it's worth, I threw the 00000.m2ts files from BDR and Clown into TSMUXER to see what the video track was like, and both are identical (they both use profile 4.1, etc).
Go figure.
I hope this helps.
-Kevin.
gamete
3rd June 2010, 06:06
honestly, i have never done a One Pass encode. Basically the difference is that if you do a first pass encode, it averages out your bitrate for every frame so you may be applying too much bitrate in some scenes and not enough in others. When you do a two-pass, the first pass basically analyzes the frames and determines what bitrate should be used for each scene, although the average bitrate remains the same throughout the whole movie. I believe the two-pass method is the best, but then again, as I said, I don't do one pass encodes just because i have always done multi pass encodes with tv shows using vdub and dvds using cce. Hope this helps.
thanks
but how long it takes the first step?
snakeman
3rd June 2010, 12:26
I had to use mp4box version 4.6,dev. The supplied version was crashing in Windows 7 32bit pro. I know this sounds like a feature request, but can adding the ac3 audio track for appletv compliance become a possibility? :)
Great app.
snakeman
raspi2
3rd June 2010, 13:15
thanks
but how long it takes the first step?
Well, it will all depend upon your processor speed, but I would say, around average, it should take about 40 - 45% of your total time, maybe even a little less. So in my case, a 1 hr 45 min movie takes about 20 hrs, I would say it is split between 8 and 12 hrs.
humphammer
3rd June 2010, 15:35
Well, it will all depend upon your processor speed, but I would say, around average, it should take about 40 - 45% of your total time, maybe even a little less. So in my case, a 1 hr 45 min movie takes about 20 hrs, I would say it is split between 8 and 12 hrs.
WOW....20 hours to make a back-up seems long to me....it has never taken more than 4 to 5 hours from start to finish for any back up I have made including the 3 hour Lord of the Rings movies. I use the normal priority high speed BD-25 encode settings, and everything is done in one pass. I use Verbatim BD-25 media, have never had one to skip or glitch in any way, and I can tell absolutely no difference in the original and the back ups in either picture or sound quality, and that is with an 82 inch TV and a 7.1 surround sound system. I honestly do not see how the two pass high quality settings would make my back ups any better. If those options are needed to make a high quality DVD-5 or DVD-9 I will gladly trade 15 extra hours for the $2.00 difference in price per disc.
jdobbs
3rd June 2010, 16:01
WOW....20 hours to make a back-up seems long to me....it has never taken more than 4 to 5 hours from start to finish for any back up I have made including the 3 hour Lord of the Rings movies. I use the normal priority high speed BD-25 encode settings, and everything is done in one pass. I use Verbatim BD-25 media, have never had one to skip or glitch in any way, and I can tell absolutely no difference in the original and the back ups in either picture or sound quality, and that is with an 82 inch TV and a 7.1 surround sound system. I honestly do not see how the two pass high quality settings would make my back ups any better. If those options are needed to make a high quality DVD-5 or DVD-9 I will gladly trade 15 extra hours for the $2.00 difference in price per disc. Seems long to me too. My BD-25 backups take about 3-4 hours and BD-5 (High Quality) is usually 10 hours or so. I'm using a low-end, older quad processor (Phenom 9500). I've heard that newer processors (like and i7) can do complete High Quality backups to BD-25 in 4 hours or less.
Kampfwurstwasser
3rd June 2010, 16:46
Well, i do only BD25 full disc backups with high quality 2 pass setting and my i7 920 @ 3.2ghz takes about 6-7h to complete, i guess 1 pass will be ready in under 4h.
jdobbs
3rd June 2010, 16:49
Well, i do only BD25 full disc backups with high quality 2 pass setting and my i7 920 @ 3.2ghz takes about 6-7h to complete, i guess 1 pass will be ready in under 4h. Hmm... I must have misunderstood.
Kampfwurstwasser
3rd June 2010, 17:03
Hm i have quick extras disabled and full Backup enabled.
But when running the 1st pass not all 8 cores/threads are under full load.
I guess the decoder is slower than x264.
WOW....20 hours to make a back-up seems long to me....it has never taken more than 4 to 5 hours from start to finish for any back up I have made including the 3 hour Lord of the Rings movies. I use the normal priority high speed BD-25 encode settings, and everything is done in one pass. I use Verbatim BD-25 media, have never had one to skip or glitch in any way, and I can tell absolutely no difference in the original and the back ups in either picture or sound quality, and that is with an 82 inch TV and a 7.1 surround sound system. I honestly do not see how the two pass high quality settings would make my back ups any better. If those options are needed to make a high quality DVD-5 or DVD-9 I will gladly trade 15 extra hours for the $2.00 difference in price per disc.
I have even had cases of movie only BD25 conversion were i could the difference when high speed was used as opposed to two pass high or highest quality so please stay away from generalization.
It may be fine for some titles but definitely not all or most of them.
humphammer
3rd June 2010, 19:09
I have even had cases of movie only BD25 conversion were i could the difference when high speed was used as opposed to two pass high or highest quality so please stay away from generalization.
It may be fine for some titles but definitely not all or most of them.
I always do movie only for back-ups....I tested all three Lord of the Rings movies, which were all in the three hour range, as well as Apocalypto, and most recently The Wolfman....I have the originals loaded in a Sony 400 disc Blu-Ray changer, and put the back-ups in a PS3....all I have to do is change the inputs on my surround sound processor to switch both picture and sound from one source to the other....I have a Mitsubishi 82 inch DLP 1080P HDTV, and a 7.1 surround processor powered by a Denon processor....I have stopped the movies at different places and switched from one to the other, and neither me nor my guests have been able to tell any difference what-so-ever....that is all I can go by, and you may be correct I may run into a difference down the road, but in the movies backed up so far I would challenge you to tell me is it original, or Verbatim.
humphammer
3rd June 2010, 19:23
Seems long to me too. My BD-25 backups take about 3-4 hours and BD-5 (High Quality) is usually 10 hours or so. I'm using a low-end, older quad processor (Phenom 9500). I've heard that newer processors (like and i7) can do complete High Quality backups to BD-25 in 4 hours or less.
I have a fairly new Dell system with a i7 processor, and a Matshita burner...it is very fast.
jdobbs
3rd June 2010, 19:23
I always do movie only for back-ups....I tested all three Lord of the Rings movies, which were all in the three hour range, as well as Apocalypto, and most recently The Wolfman....I have the originals loaded in a Sony 400 disc Blu-Ray changer, and put the back-ups in a PS3....all I have to do is change the inputs on my surround sound processor to switch both picture and sound from one source to the other....I have a Mitsubishi 82 inch DLP 1080P HDTV, and a 7.1 surround processor powered by a Denon processor....I have stopped the movies at different places and switched from one to the other, and neither me nor my guests have been able to tell any difference what-so-ever....that is all I can go by, and you may be correct I may run into a difference down the road, but in the movies backed up so far I would challenge you to tell me is it original, or Verbatim.My experience is the same.
raspi2
3rd June 2010, 20:55
WOW....20 hours to make a back-up seems long to me....it has never taken more than 4 to 5 hours from start to finish for any back up I have made including the 3 hour Lord of the Rings movies. I use the normal priority high speed BD-25 encode settings, and everything is done in one pass. I use Verbatim BD-25 media, have never had one to skip or glitch in any way, and I can tell absolutely no difference in the original and the back ups in either picture or sound quality, and that is with an 82 inch TV and a 7.1 surround sound system. I honestly do not see how the two pass high quality settings would make my back ups any better. If those options are needed to make a high quality DVD-5 or DVD-9 I will gladly trade 15 extra hours for the $2.00 difference in price per disc.
Forgot to tell you that I am doing BD-9 backups, which is more compression. Probably why it takes longer.
....that is all I can go by, and you may be correct I may run into a difference down the road, but in the movies backed up so far I would challenge you to tell me is it original, or Verbatim.
I agree with you that certain titles done with very fast settings cannot be distinguished from an original - thanx to all the hard work jdobbs put into bd rb and others for creating encoder, muxer and the like.
But the questions is not: can i/you pick 5 or 10 spots within a certain title that look identical.
The question is: do i spot flaw while watching?
And my answers is: i did with SOME titles when using high speed but did NOT with the very same movie when doing a 2 pass high or highest quality conversion later on.
At this point a cannot present any proof as the conversions in questions were of course deleted but i may do some testruns some time and post my findings.
raspi2
3rd June 2010, 21:02
jdobbs, here is a copy of my log for a BD-9. As you can see, it is actually 26 hrs. I have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ and 1.9 Ghz, 960 MB of RAM. Do you think it should be running faster or is this about right?
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[16:34:39] BD Rebuilder v0.33.05 (beta)
- Source: DISC1
- Input BD size: 20.55 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:57:36.014]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=448
[16:34:39] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:34:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:20:30] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [17:20:30] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 169,175 frames
- Bitrate: 8,493 Kbs
- [17:20:31] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:49:32] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [17:38:57] Video Encode complete
- [17:38:57] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [17:40:59] Multiplexing M2TS
[17:57:25]PHASE ONE complete
[17:57:25]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:57:25] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[18:14:26] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[18:14:26]JOB: DISC1 finished.
x264 needs a powerful cpu so a 24h conversion is not too uncommon with a processor like yours, raspi2.
Of course it also makes a massive difference if you use high speed encoding for BD-25 output or a 2 pass high or highest quality conversion.
x264 will run with very different settings and take way less time.
jdobbs
3rd June 2010, 21:49
jdobbs, here is a copy of my log for a BD-9. As you can see, it is actually 26 hrs. I have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ and 1.9 Ghz, 960 MB of RAM. Do you think it should be running faster or is this about right?
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[16:34:39] BD Rebuilder v0.33.05 (beta)
- Source: DISC1
- Input BD size: 20.55 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:57:36.014]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=448
[16:34:39] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:34:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:20:30] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [17:20:30] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 169,175 frames
- Bitrate: 8,493 Kbs
- [17:20:31] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:49:32] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [17:38:57] Video Encode complete
- [17:38:57] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [17:40:59] Multiplexing M2TS
[17:57:25]PHASE ONE complete
[17:57:25]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:57:25] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[18:14:26] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[18:14:26]JOB: DISC1 finished. I guess I can see that for a Dual Core running at 1.9Ghz. My Phenom system runs at 2.21Ghz -- and it has four cores. Since video processing is so CPU intensive, it makes sense that my system would a little better than twice as fast as yours. I also have 4GB of RAM. The memory probably wouldn't normally make that much difference -- but 960MB is a pretty low. I'm currently running X264 on my computer and it has allocated 875MB to that process alone.
raspi2
3rd June 2010, 21:59
yeah, i run Normal Priority and High Quality (Default)
snakeman
3rd June 2010, 22:52
I had to use mp4box version 4.6,dev. The supplied version was crashing in Windows 7 32bit pro. I know this sounds like a feature request, but can adding the ac3 audio track for appletv compliance become a possibility? :)
Great app.
snakeman
Currently using handbrake 0.9.4, it seems fine, but I have to reencode again.
Cheers:
snakeman
Race Guy
4th June 2010, 00:22
jdobbs, here is a copy of my log for a BD-9. As you can see, it is actually 26 hrs. I have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ and 1.9 Ghz, 960 MB of RAM. Do you think it should be running faster or is this about right?
It's all about cores. x264 is multi threaded, so the more the merrier!
I had an Athlon X2 5000+ "Black" that was slightly OC'd to like 2.8GHz with 4GB of RAM & XP Pro 32. On a full backup to 25, that setup would give me about 3 to 4 fps at "HQ".
I then had the MoBo die while under warranty, so while it was out for repair, I checked out which Athlon Phenom Quads would fit that board. I found a "NIB" 9750 Quad that runs at 2.4GHz on fleaBay for $70.
I popped that in & now I get frame rates in the 7 to 10 area with a 20% slower CPU clock speed.
From what I've seen, the higher the bitrate you're encoding the slower x264 runs. So for the same content & quality setting a BU to 9 at 8000k completes MUCH faster than a BU to 25 at 24000k.
How do you get "960MB of RAM", raspi? It goes 256, 512, 1024, 2048MB.
DGenerateKane
4th June 2010, 00:40
Any tips on getting a BD-RE to burn? I just got a Sony BD-RE and found that while it burned fine with IMGBurn with the same settings as my BD-R's, it is not recognized in either my PS3 or my BD-ROM drive, just my BD-R drive recognizes it correctly.
jdobbs
4th June 2010, 01:18
Currently using handbrake 0.9.4, it seems fine, but I have to reencode again.
Cheers:
snakeman I'm using the supplied MP4BOX on Windows 7 32 bit -- no problems.
DarWun
4th June 2010, 01:20
Any tips on getting a BD-RE to burn? I just got a Sony BD-RE and found that while it burned fine with IMGBurn with the same settings as my BD-R's, it is not recognized in either my PS3 or my BD-ROM drive, just my BD-R drive recognizes it correctly.
I believe BD-REs that are version 2.0 or greater will play back in the PS3. The PS3 will not recognize version 1.0 BD-RE disks.
Capsbackup
4th June 2010, 01:34
Any tips on getting a BD-RE to burn? I just got a Sony BD-RE and found that while it burned fine with IMGBurn with the same settings as my BD-R's, it is not recognized in either my PS3 or my BD-ROM drive, just my BD-R drive recognizes it correctly.
Did you do a full format with IMGBurn first? This needs to be done only once, which will take quite some time, ( 90-115 minutes ) then it should burn at 2x, and you can do a quick erase before your next usage.
bassnut
4th June 2010, 02:07
Well of the 3 systems I have used BD Rebuilder on .....
Sys 1 - AMD Athlon X25200+ @ 2.8GHZ with 4 gig PC400 ram Vista Ultimate 64 would take me about 24 to 28 Hrs when I first started to use BD Rebuilder about 10 months ago. Processor pegged 100% all the way.
Sys 2 - AMD PhenomX4 940 @ 3.2GHZ 4 GIG DDR2 1066 Ram Vista Ultimate 64 would take about 12 Hrs about 8 months ago ..... could shave off an easy hour by over clocking it to 3.7GHZ. Processor wouild run about 90% on first pass and peg at 100% for second pass.
SYS 3 - AMD PhenomX4 965 @ 3.2GHZ DDR3 1600 Ram Windows 7 Pro 64 takes about 5 hours with Auto Settings and I can shave off about 1.5 Hrs with it over clocked to 3.9GHZ and about 6 hrs with High quality settings. Processor wouild run about 90% on first pass and peg at 100% for second pass. Depending on the movie I get about 75fps first pass and about 15 -21 fps Second pass the odd movie would get down to about 12 fps but not too often.
The Processor does make a big diference.
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