BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[MrVideo]

But it's only happening to you, which makes me think the problem isn't in BD-RB. I use menu creation under Win10 almost every day in my quest to move all my DVD series discs to BD. It has never happened to me once. Trying to fix something that I can't repeat is almost impossible.
Apples and oranges. Things have changed between Win7 and Win10. Hell, obviously something changed between XP and Win7. Plus, am I the only one doing two menus under Win7-64?
A race issue is probably a good guess. I could probably put a hidden variable in that creates a "wait" state between menus. But that's likely little more than howling at the moon without a better idea of the cause.
Sometimes howling at the moon works. Taking stabs at guesses sometimes manages to fix things without really knowing why. Been there, done that.
I encode each of the menus separately because the plan is to, at some point, enable the ability to use a different menu background for each page. It only takes a few minutes. It's another of those "wish list" items that has been around for a while.
I wondered if that is what you were working up to. Thought... still working toward that goal is to do what I suggest. If the user only has one background, use it for all of the other menus, only encoding again when you have more backgrounds. It is a stab to see if it fixes the issue. Long shot, I know, but worth a try.
I did, by the way, add the ability to use motion video rather than a fixed picture as the background to the next release. That's one item crossed off the list.
I definitely will give this a go. I await the release.

[MrVideo]

Here is another strange one, which has happened before the mobo was replaced.

In order to save discs, I decided to put as many files onto a disc as possible. For this particular series, that worked out to 8 files. For the last disc of three, that also included special features. But the first 8 were placed on the first menu page.

After a reboot, I can get thru four discs without issues, including a disc where two menus were created. But, on the fifth disc, and any thereafter, the following happens:
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[08:48:31] Importing: CASTLE-S5
- [08:48:40] Importing video file: (1 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:49:58] Importing video file: (2 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:51:10] Importing video file: (3 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:52:34] Importing video file: (4 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:54:06] Importing video file: (5 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:55:35] Importing video file: (6 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:57:06] Importing video file: (7 of 14)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
[08:58:29]ERROR: Removing compression. Aborted.
There is nothing wrong with said video file. It makes no difference which disc I attempt to assemble, when it gets to the 7th video, this error happens.

Unfortunately BDRB does not report what the source issue is. Something is building up with each run of BDRB. I guess 7 is not a lucky number. :(

Update: This is new. Right after a reboot, first run of BDRB and the above happened. :mad:

Another update: I think I know what this one is. Once I know for sure, I'll post.

[Blurayhd]

In BD Rebuilder, go under Settings -> Setup... and un-check the box for "Keep HD audio for BD25/Alt intact"

Then re-run the job. The new output will have the non-HD audio, only core.

Thank you very much for that I just try it and works!! but maybe this will sound stupid but I need to ask, when I select that option so BD rebuilder eill convert DTS HD MA 5gb to DTS core 1.6gb, when BD rebuilder is doing his encoding job at the same time Bd rebuilder is encoding DTS MA to DTS core.... so in theory Bd rebuilder take the size of DTS MA and assing this for video?

[Lathe]

so in theory Bd rebuilder take the size of DTS MA and assing this for video?

Well, sometimes BDRB does indeed give us a good assing. But, I believe in humble reflection, most of us would honestly admit that we deserve it...

[gonca]

@Blurayhd
BDRB will use the space saved on the audio for the video

@Lathe
Well, sometimes BDRB does indeed give us a good assing
And you deserve every bit of it

[Blurayhd]

Hi all, I disable on Bdrebuilder all others languages that I dont need or like on disc, I keep just English and Spanish, ok so far but I notice the following if I use BDinfo just appears the tracks that I keep but if I play the disc on my pc desktop or try to watch on tv, the audio/subtitles tracks that I disable on BD rebuilder still appears and that is very upset, there´s some tool that I can use for eliminate that obsolet tracks?

Thank you in advance!!

[gonca]

Hi all, I disable on Bdrebuilder all others languages that I dont need or like on disc, I keep just English and Spanish, ok so far but I notice the following if I use BDinfo just appears the tracks that I keep but if I play the disc on my pc desktop or try to watch on tv, the audio/subtitles tracks that I disable on BD rebuilder still appears and that is very upset, there´s some tool that I can use for eliminate that obsolet tracks?

Thank you in advance!!
Don't think you have to worry
BDRD re-points those selections to the remaining tracks
If you select them you will get the tracks that you chose to keep

P.S.
Ignore Lathe
He's mentally malformed (he's weird in the head)

[Ch3vr0n]

Correct. Bdrb repoints them to one of the remaining tracks. It has to (same with any other cloning tool) because of it doesn't the bluray structure is 'broken' and the player could lock up or simply refuse/abort playback.

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[Blurayhd]

Don't think you have to worry
BDRD re-points those selections to the remaining tracks
If you select them you will get the tracks that you chose to keep


Yes I knew that but honestly? if I choose to keep English and Spanish and when I´m watching and with remote control I select English and next I like Spanish I have to select French, Portuguese... and finally Spanish

but I see now what do you mean, if I get it, is no matter the French, Portuguese... or whatever , when I select the next language from English, I´ll get in this case the Spanish , because I keep it, I´m right?

And Gonca, I´m curious, I wish to ask you and of course all people here, how many of us when encode BD50 to BD25 choice to keep the menu? or just choose to start the movie?

And if you font mind and let me ask too, how many choose BD25 and how many choose MKV? I mean, speaking about that movies that you like to preserve because I like to see again every time you like, so how do you do that? what kind of media you prefer? or choose (I dont know what word is correct)

Thank you again

[Blurayhd]

Correct. Bdrb repoints them to one of the remaining tracks. It has to (same with any other cloning tool) because of it doesn't the bluray structure is 'broken' and the player could lock up or simply refuse/abort playback.

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Thank you ch3vron, same that I just answer to Gonca, and about that you sayng if I get it, the registry languages have to be there because the structure?

[Ch3vr0n]

If by registry you mean visible in the menu (and selectable), then yes. Perfectly normal. Bdrb can't alter the menu artwork or make them disappear from the remote language option. They just get pointed to one off the remaining tracks to keep the menu structure intact to prevent problems with navigation.

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[Lathe]

Yes I knew that but honestly? if I choose to keep English and Spanish and when I´m watching and with remote control I select English and next I like Spanish I have to select French, Portuguese... and finally Spanish

but I see now what do you mean, if I get it, is no matter the French, Portuguese... or whatever , when I select the next language from English, I´ll get in this case the Spanish , because I keep it, I´m right?

And Gonca, I´m curious, I wish to ask you and of course all people here, how many of us when encode BD50 to BD25 choice to keep the menu? or just choose to start the movie?

And if you font mind and let me ask too, how many choose BD25 and how many choose MKV? I mean, speaking about that movies that you like to preserve because I like to see again every time you like, so how do you do that? what kind of media you prefer? or choose (I dont know what word is correct)

Thank you again

Just a humble suggestion... It's probably not a good idea when asking gonca something to use so many complex and compound sentences. It would be better I think to use simple one-syllable words, if possible, perhaps incorporating some of the pictograms that he is used to...

[AmigaFuture]

Lathe
Go up the stairs, and out the door.
Its time to get out of mothers basement, get some fresh air.
I am assuming that they didn't chain you down in the basement in order to hide you, and your hideous physical deformities
P.S.
When out in public, don't be peeking below the stall walls
Its not a good way to get a date, but you might get a chocolate surprise

@ MrVideo

You want to field this one??

@ gonca

Dude!! Have you NOT seen The Goonies!?!? There's a reason he's there...and here, and other places Online only. Not that I'm freaked by any "differences" in people, but...today, plenty are.

[AmigaFuture]

Sigh... :rolleyes: Let's just ignore all the science, eh? If a human being can't identify a difference (as all the studies prove) -- then what, exactly, does "lossy" mean or matter?

BD-RB will not reencode the core and will extract it if it matches your settings. Extracting the core is a simple thing to do with TSMUXER.

Have I dated you before? NO?? Ohh, nope...not my gender. Then what is it? Oohhh, I know. You come across like my Girlfriend. Heh. Actually the discussion between You and MrVideo does. To be fair, I'm a cross between you and he. She, however, loves to play with me when I become too (hands over mouth) technical...but also knows I don't _really_ care about the _old use_ of science. It's too static and doesn't bend very well to true evolution of Evvvvvverything. But the conversations here (tapping on screen) and...HERE are innnnteresting, haha!

[Rich86]

Thanks for all your investigation.
Sticking with "Ready Player One" - I only kept the english audio (chose the 1st DTS-MA track & set it as the default) and 1st english subtitles. I believe it works fine if I do not include any subtitles, but I would have to test that again as it has been a while. I am out of town all this coming week, but will test using "Ready Player One" more when I am back home the week following & post with the correct setting log(s). I wonder why these work ok in multiAVCHD? It must not use mplex?

I had some time today to experiment more with converting my "Ready Player One" BD to DVD and to no one's surprise I am sure, it behaves exactly as JDobbs said it does - on my system also. Choosing the 1st audio track (an english Dolby TrueHD track) fails in mplex, regardless of subtitles chosen or not. Choosing the 2nd audio track (an english DTS track) works fine. So I assume there is something about the english Dolby TrueHD audio track that mplex chokes on.:thanks:

[mparade]

Is it recommended to run multiple instances of BD-RB when processor utilization is too low? I have a 16-core system and only UHD encoding seems to be saturating all the cores (2 encodes run in parallel).
Is multi-processing working with x265 as well as with x264?

Thanks for your support.

[MrVideo]

@ MrVideo

You want to field this one??

Nope!

[mparade]

Does anyone have some experience with "automatic cropping of black borders" feature in case of alternate output? Is it reliable enough by now?
Is automatic down-mixing to stereo being also performed when using AAC output and the default ALTAUTOAUDIO parameter (40) on a source track that is 5.1?
Is AUDIO_AMPLIFY parameter being performed just on down-mixed tracks or all that are contained in the project?

Thank you for the help in advance.

[MrVideo]

I like my background menus to have season info and disc number. Easily accomplished with the static background JPEG.

How is this going to be accomplished with motion menus? Thanks for any info regarding the upcoming feature.

[MrVideo]

The reason I'm asking about motion menus is that I need to know if I should stop working on the project using static menu backgrounds and start working on motion menu backgrounds. Obviously I (and anyone else who is going to want to do this) need to know how to do the background text for motion menus.

Thanks

[jdobbs]

The reason I'm asking about motion menus is that I need to know if I should stop working on the project using static menu backgrounds and start working on motion menu backgrounds. Obviously I (and anyone else who is going to want to do this) need to know how to do the background text for motion menus.

ThanksAll that is happening is that the JPEG can be replaced by a video of your choice (MKV, M2TS, or MP4). The foreground menus work exactly the same. How it becomes a video or the content of the video would be up to the person authoring. You still choose the audio independently (but I may change that so it is included in the selected MKV/M2TS/MP4). It's especially useful when you have several motion video menu backgrounds available on in imported blu-ray and you want to use something other than the default. But you can also find a particular video you think would look good and use that. Just a warning... it has to be 16:9 and will always be resized to 1920x1080 (just like the JPEG).

[MrVideo]

I only do 1920x1080. What happens when the video finishes playing? Is the last video frame frozen?

I'm guessing that it will be a freeze-frame situation. That means in order to have personal text added to the background, I will have to encode a few frames of a still image with the text and add it to the end of the video. Is my assumption correct?

[jdobbs]

I only do 1920x1080. What happens when the video finishes playing? Is the last video frame frozen?

I'm guessing that it will be a freeze-frame situation. That means in order to have personal text added to the background, I will have to encode a few frames of a still image with the text and add it to the end of the video. Is my assumption correct?Yes, the last frame is frozen. I will probably add the ability to create a loop... but not before the next release.

[MrVideo]

Yes, the last frame is frozen. I will probably add the ability to create a loop... but not before the next release.
Thanks for the update. I personally wouldn't use the loop feature as that would not allow for any personal background text. One would have to use a video editing program like Adobe Premiere, or Final Cut Pro, to add text to the motion video. Neither of which are currently in my budget. :D

[Sharc]

Thanks for the update. I personally wouldn't use the loop feature as that would not allow for any personal background text. One would have to use a video editing program like Adobe Premiere, or Final Cut Pro, to add text to the motion video. Neither of which are currently in my budget. :D
Can't you add your text via avisynth subtitle?
http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Subtitle

[MrVideo]

Can't you add your text via avisynth subtitle?
http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Subtitle
Thanks for the suggestion. Didn't know about that one. This I can afford.

Will have to use it more than once if I have multiple lines of text in different areas. The referenced link doesn't say that I can't use it more than once. But, neither does it say that I can. :D

Added note: The advantage of encoding a still image to a very short video is that it can then be appended to the end of the motion video, which means that the original motion video is not sent through a recoding process. I have a script set up to quickly create the short video, though there is currently an issue with getting the FPS right (separate thread opened for this issue).

Six of one, half dozen of the other?

Oh, and I'm ready for motion menus. :D

[sieve]

Using 0.50.25. Have been for a while. Worked great. No problems.
To my surprise, the last couple (3 for sure, maybe more) movies I copied (all U.S.) have resulted in an audio track that lags the video. I haven't changed any settings in the encoding process and I don't have anything exotic in the processing. I typically select to keep only the highest quality English audio track. I always use highest quality double pass very slow processing method and shrink to burn onto a 25gb bd disc.

I did a search of the forum here and didn't find any obvious leads or ideas. Can anyone help? Is it possible that one of the associated packages got corrupted somehow?

Thanks in advance!

[MrVideo]

Run the M2TS file through the MediaInfo program that comes with BDRB, in CLI mode, to see if it reports a delay of the audio. I've had issues with it reporting an audio delay with some MKV files.

[musiclover]

Re-installing LAVFilters-0.65 corrected it for me

[sieve]

Re-installing LAVFilters-0.65 corrected it for me

I wish that would have worked. Alas, no.

[sieve]

Run the M2TS file through the MediaInfo program that comes with BDRB, in CLI mode, to see if it reports a delay of the audio. I've had issues with it reporting an audio delay with some MKV files.

This must be operator error, but how do I run it?

I tried running the program directly from the directory, both as admin and not. It brought up a black window, then almost instantly disappeared.

I tried opening the main M2TS file via "open with" mediainfo, and the black window opened, I could see it accumulating many lines of text, but that closed quickly also.

[MrVideo]

Open a Command Prompt window and enter the commands there. I suggest "cd"ing to the location of the M2TS file and then entering the long path to the mediainfo program.

[sieve]

Open a Command Prompt window and enter the commands there. I suggest "cd"ing to the location of the M2TS file and then entering the long path to the mediainfo program.

OK, Thanks! Since I've never run the program, I naively assumed it would be a GUI. I wasn't even thinking that CLI would mean command line interface.

[sieve]

I didn't get around to learning the codes for or running MediaInfo, although I think I might do that sometime.

Anyway, the problem seems to be solved now.

Strangely, it took two tries of uninstalling/reinstalling BDR and all related programs to get things back to normal. I don't know why the first time didn't work but the second did, even though it was the same procedure steps and downloaded items.

Thanks for the assistance!

[ChuckUFarley]

Has anyone found issues with the Quick-Play menus in the most recent build?
I used BD-RB for the first time in a long time last week, and the final disc was unplayable. All the files were right and the new menu appeared to be present, but the disc would start to spin up then freeze my player.

I know that's vague, and I'm going to do more testing, probably rolling back a version, but I was curious if this was something anyone else had come across.
Edit: A clean install of v.0.50.25 seems to have fixed the problem. I'll still have to do a test burn, but things look better.

Now I have another question. In the past I was told if I wanted to build a BD with the movie untouched, but the bonus features compressed to fill whatever extra space was left, use: FORCE_NOENCODE=1 with "Quicker Encode for Extras". That doesn't seems to work. NoEncode seems to override the Quicker Encode.
How should those settings correctly work together?

[MrVideo]

Are you trying to take a BD50 disc and transfer the contents to a BD25 disc and do so without recoding the main feature? The odds are pretty slim that the main feature will even fit a BD25 disc. Even if the main feature did fit, there sure wouldn't be much room left for the special features. I'd hate to see the horrible bitrate required to get anything to fit.

[Lathe]

Has anyone found issues with the Quick-Play menus in the most recent build?
I used BD-RB for the first time in a long time last week, and the final disc was unplayable. All the files were right and the new menu appeared to be present, but the disc would start to spin up then freeze my player.

I know that's vague, and I'm going to do more testing, probably rolling back a version, but I was curious if this was something anyone else had come across.
Edit: A clean install of v.0.50.25 seems to have fixed the problem. I'll still have to do a test burn, but things look better.

Now I have another question. In the past I was told if I wanted to build a BD with the movie untouched, but the bonus features compressed to fill whatever extra space was left, use: FORCE_NOENCODE=1 with "Quicker Encode for Extras". That doesn't seems to work. NoEncode seems to override the Quicker Encode.
How should those settings correctly work together?

Well, it kinda depends on what exactly you are trying to do. For example, what Mr. Video mentions above could be one thing that you could do. Personally, what I do IF the main feature WILL fit easily on a BD25 (which sounds like what you mean, but I'm not totally sure...) I, myself, just put the movie only on a BD25, and if I really want the extras, media is SO affordable these days, I would simply just do another 'encode' with just the menus and Xtras and put it on another disc. That way you have no re-encoding, no wait time, and it's about 50 cents a disc (20 if you can fit the Xtras on a DVD [BD5] :))

However, if you instead wish to put the movie and the Xtras on one disc AND, if I understand you correctly, the movie will fit by itself on a BD25 (with whatever audio trax you want) I'm not quite sure how you JUST compress the Xtras to fit into the remainder on the disc. x264 is so efficient, that unless you have pretty high powered or huge Xtras, you should be able to figure some bitrate out just to do the Xtras and add them to the movie disc. Unless BDRB somehow 'knows' intuitively that if the movie fits uncompressed and you choose 'Fast encode for Xtras' that it just needs to compress the Xtras only. I'm just not quite sure how it works it, sorry...

[ChuckUFarley]

There are many movies on BD50 discs that the movie, stripped of unneeded audio tracks, can fit on a BD25 with a few GB to spare. If there aren't many extras, they can usually be compressed to fit in that remaining space.
In the past I would do this crazy thing where I would create 2 new discs. One stripped, but uncompressed and the second stripped with a custom size matching the remaining space, blanking the movie. I then manually copy the movie into the compressed disc's folders including PLAYLISTs and CLIPINFs. It works well, but takes some juggling.

It's also why the other method someone previously suggested (NO_ENCODE/Quicker Encode for Extras) is a great solution... if it actually worked. It might have in a previous version.

Btw, as an update, the burned QUICKPLAY disc from the fresh install still freezes my Sony BD player. I'll try an older version of BD RB next and a different movie, just to see if there is something hinky with Mummy 3. (Although no errors or problems are shown in the log.)

Edit:
1) v0.50.24 - No luck with Mummy 3/quickplay burned disc again.
2) v0.50.25 - Tested a different BD (Indiscreet) with quickplay. Burned disc plays fine.
3) v0.50.25 - Mummy 3 again, unchecked "Attempt to find original background/menu" options. Burned disc freezes in player.

Zuh? I'm ready to write this off as an unsolvable mystery.

[Blurayhd]

Hi all, I have my Bluray disc that the movie is in 3D and I need to make a backup but in 2D, so I need to know, BD rebuilder can encode the 3D movie to 2d movie? how to do that? Thank you in advance!!!

[Lathe]

Hi all, I have my Bluray disc that the movie is in 3D and I need to make a backup but in 2D, so I need to know, BD rebuilder can encode the 3D movie to 2d movie? how to do that? Thank you in advance!!!

I believe there is a setting in the 'Setup' settings where you check the box for 'Process 3D video to 2D backups' I use that one also...

[Ch3vr0n]

that setting will only convert the 3D movie to 2D. However, what it does NOT fix is the java code on the disc. Most 3D discs's java code still checks for full 3D capable equipment where the disc is inserted (checking for 3D player and 3D capable screen), if that's not found the disc still won't play. Regardless of the fact if the movie has been converted to 2D or not (if your doing 3D BD to 2D BD disc backup)

[jdobbs]

Correct. The only way to reliably do it is to do a movie-only backup or quick-play backup.

[Video Dude]

I believe there is a setting in the 'Setup' settings where you check the box for 'Process 3D video to 2D backups' I use that one also...

Really useful feature. There are some 3D blu-rays that are Open Matte, while the standard Blu-ray version is the cropped 2.35:1. I don't have a 3D TV, but I do want the extra video real estate of the movie.

[Ch3vr0n]

any news on a new release JD? been a while :) 1 more month and it'll be a year since the last release :(

[Blurayhd]

Correct. The only way to reliably do it is to do a movie-only backup or quick-play backup.

Thank all of you for helping me, so, if I encode the backup in only movie or quick play so I´ll can do it without problems

[Lathe]

Thank all of you for helping me, so, if I encode the backup in only movie or quick play so I´ll can do it without problems

Well... it kinda depends on what ELSE you happen to be doing at the time...








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[jdobbs]

any news on a new release JD? been a while :) 1 more month and it'll be a year since the last release :(Yeah... the failure of reliable UHD backups has held it back. After a while I just threw up my hands and said "I'm tired of this". Frankly I think the problem is in X265, or at least my inability to find a set of X265 settings that work. I can do a no-reencode backup that muxes and plays fine on my Sony... but any time I reencode, there is a problem. If I find a setting that fixes that problem -- an new one results.

I may just release it and say "UHD at your own risk".

[MrVideo]

However, what it does NOT fix is the java code on the disc. Most 3D discs's java code still checks for full 3D capable equipment where the disc is inserted (checking for 3D player and 3D capable screen), if that's not found the disc still won't play.
So, put the original into your system and see if it will play, or if you get the warning that you do not have a 3D system.

[Ch3vr0n]

Why are you quoting me, i'm not the one asking the question. For the record my PC is fully 3D capable (screen, and optical drive or the standalone hooked up to the screen).

[Ch3vr0n]

Yeah... the failure of reliable UHD backups has held it back. After a while I just threw up my hands and said "I'm tired of this". Frankly I think the problem is in X265, or at least my inability to find a set of X265 settings that work. I can do a no-reencode backup that muxes and plays fine on my Sony... but any time I reencode, there is a problem. If I find a setting that fixes that problem -- an new one results.

I may just release it and say "UHD at your own risk".

I'm not in it for the UHD, i'm in it for that switch you'd ask with the SEI data fix or something to potentially fix the 3D artifact glitching in software players for 3D disc backups made by BDRB