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jdobbs
12th November 2017, 16:14
What does IGS_ENABLE=1 do? I do not see it described in HIDDENOPTS.TXT It will force streams with IGS be reencoded. It just adds time since TSMUXER doesn't support IGS and BD-RB will have to do some magic to get it muxed. IGS is much more typical in menus than regular video, where they are generally small and BD-RB prefers to leave them intact.

jdobbs
12th November 2017, 16:24
How do I prevent BDRebuilder from recoding to make programming completely fill a BD-R? I have a bunch of TV shows I've recorded onto a DVD-recorder. I am then putting them on my computer HDD as MKV files (so I can change the AR which is set incorrectly by the DVD-recorder), and then I am importing 10 to 12 at a time to make one BD using Quick Play Backup. The files are about 1.7 Gb each so 10 should make a disc about 17 Gb. However, the process takes nearly 2 hours, and I end up with a BD that is 22.3 Gb in size.

I have added FORCE_NOENCODE=1 to my BDRebuilder.ini file. Is there something else I need to do to prevent it recoding? I don't think I care that it completely fills the BD. I just don't want a lot of recoding going on unnecessarily.

TIA.

SMKIf the input came from a DVD then it shouldn't need reencoding (unless it is at a resolution lower than 720x480/576). If size isn't an issue -- then just burn the original pseudo-BD structure after the import. The menu created during import is the same menu as you'd get from a follow on "Quick Play Backup". If there is a PSEUDO folder, look in it to see what changes are being made. If it is clear, then just delete the folder (although it won't hurt anything if you don't delete it).

RoyGBiv-inRI
13th November 2017, 00:27
If the input came from a DVD then it shouldn't need reencoding (unless it is at a resolution lower than 720x480/576). If size isn't an issue -- then just burn the original pseudo-BD structure after the import. The menu created during import is the same menu as you'd get from a follow on "Quick Play Backup". If there is a PSEUDO folder, look in it to see what changes are being made. If it is clear, then just delete the folder (although it won't hurt anything if you don't delete it).

Thanks for the advice. I will give it a try.

I presume the original pseudo BD structure is located in the "work" folder?

SMK

jdobbs
13th November 2017, 00:46
Thanks for the advice. I will give it a try.

I presume the original pseudo BD structure is located in the "work" folder?

SMKYes -- unless you set it elsewhere in the INI file with the "IMPORT_FOLDER=" hidden option.

Lathe
13th November 2017, 01:55
Thanks. I'll search around to see if I can try some other options.

SMK

Well, although BDRB natively re-encodes anything that isn't compliant, there may be a hidden option to turn that off. JD or one of the others here can tell you.

RoyGBiv-inRI
13th November 2017, 15:44
If the input came from a DVD then it shouldn't need reencoding (unless it is at a resolution lower than 720x480/576). If size isn't an issue -- then just burn the original pseudo-BD structure after the import. The menu created during import is the same menu as you'd get from a follow on "Quick Play Backup". If there is a PSEUDO folder, look in it to see what changes are being made. If it is clear, then just delete the folder (although it won't hurt anything if you don't delete it).

I just tried it, and it worked fine. Thanks. This is just what I wanted.

SMK

jdobbs
16th November 2017, 16:10
Wow. Have any of you ever tried encoding 2160p video to the 10 bit blu-ray standard with X265? I'm getting 1.22 frames per second. I'm close to making BD-RB work for UHD-BD -- but I don't know if it is worth it when it might take 39 hours for a single pass to encode a two hour movie.

This is on an 8 core AMD FX-8350 running at over 4Ghz. Does anyone else see better results?

bjones
16th November 2017, 18:35
jdobbs, I've encountered something I've never seen before, doing Cars 3 the resultant disk is for lack of a better word choppy. It's like a constant consistent stutter of the video ? I thought it might be x264 related so I redid it using FRIM and it's the same result. Then I thought maybe it was some kind of motion processing going on in the TV so I redid basically a direct copy of the original disk to a double layer BD RE and that copy behaved correctly exactly like the original. Also another oddity is that even though I tried to force a no re encode situation by making the target larger than the source it still re encoded things?

Logs attached, is there something I'm missing on getting a playable backup?

Atak_Snajpera
16th November 2017, 18:55
This is on an 8 core AMD FX-8350 running at over 4Ghz. Does anyone else see better results?
FX is obsolete. x265 works best on AVX2 cpus (2xFMAC256bit)
http://i.cubeupload.com/KpEjVm.png

Overclocked six core 8700@5GHz is 3 times faster.
http://i.cubeupload.com/tadH6n.png

Ch3vr0n
16th November 2017, 18:55
@jdobbs i think the problem here will be your CPU/system A quick google shows that CPU was released in 2012 and x265 was only announced! in 2013 (let alone officially released). The cpu likely just doesn't support it officially. Current generation CPU's and GPU's DO however support it and i doubt those will be 1FPS since they are capable of uhd playback

jdobbs
16th November 2017, 19:22
FX is obsolete. x265 works best on AVX2 cpus (2xFMAC256bit)
http://i.cubeupload.com/KpEjVm.pngThat's kinda like saying i5 and i7 are obsolete -- making 90% of the computers being sold obsolete.

Yet the chart shows an FX-8320 running at 12.1fps -- about 10 times faster that I'm getting. The FX-8320 is slower than my processor in every benchmark I can find.

I'm guessing these times aren't using the settings required for UHD-BD or on an 2160p source. If that's the case -- none of these look like they would be up to the task.

Atak_Snajpera
16th November 2017, 19:53
If you thought a little bit longer then you would discover that it says FHD aka 1920x1080! Like I said before x265 loves CPUs with real AVX2 (2xFMAC256).
Besides You must have already forgotten times when encoding with x264 was also very painfully slow on 2 core cpus (Core 2 Duo@1.8GHz). People were also waiting a day or two to encode single movie with some decent quality settings.

AMD FX is obsolete. IPC for example is pathetic.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Tsc1ox.png

jdobbs
16th November 2017, 20:07
This processor can reencode an entire Blu-Ray disc in under two hours with X264. It's a long way from "obsolete". It does 1080p (FHD) output using X265 at over 17fps (putting it at the top of your first chart). But, hey, let's not let things like FACTS clutter up the conversation.

So, just guessing, an i9 processor might get about 10fps on a UHD-HD 2160p encode. That would translate to about 4.75 hours for a two hour movie (per pass) -- and that's with an $1100 processor (and probably a $4000 computer)! A full backup would likely be twice that long.

The bottom line is that if I add UHD-BD backup capability to BD-RB, everybody is going to complain like hell no matter what processor they have. So I'm reconsidering whether it's worth the remaining effort. At most, for a typical user, it might only be useful for removing or modifying audio tracks to make it fit on a standard blu-ray without reencoding the video.

The testing was with --preset medium. I'll have to see what improvements I get with a lower preset.

Atak_Snajpera
16th November 2017, 20:15
The bottom line is that if I add UHD-BD backup capability to BD-RB, everybody is going to complain like hell no matter what processor they have. So I'm reconsidering it.
Just put a warning for those snowflakes and that's it.

jdobbs
16th November 2017, 20:43
I'd guess that 90% of the using audience is using processors lower than or slightly better than mine. $4000 computers are for the rich (which I'm not). Anyway, I tested it with --preset superfast and it runs at about 8.5fps, so I can at least test it without having to spend weeks encoding. I'll just keep working on it for now.

Does anyone out there have a reliable command line for X265 that always works for UHD-BD? And please don't suggest using just "--uhd-bd" -- as it results in a blank picture on my Sony UBP-X800 player after being muxed correctly (the muxing works with an original UHD-BD .hevc stream).

meadrocks
16th November 2017, 21:32
Is there any reason I can't use x265 ver 2.4 with BD-RB? I like the new enhancement "Lambda tables for 8, 10, and 12-bit encoding revised, resulting in significant enhancement to subjective visual quality.".

jdobbs
16th November 2017, 21:47
Is there any reason I can't use x265 ver 2.4 with BD-RB? I like the new enhancement "Lambda tables for 8, 10, and 12-bit encoding revised, resulting in significant enhancement to subjective visual quality.".None that I can think of. Try it and see if it works...

gonca
16th November 2017, 22:46
Wow. Have any of you ever tried encoding 2160p video to the 10 bit blu-ray standard with X265? I'm getting 1.22 frames per second. I'm close to making BD-RB work for UHD-BD -- but I don't know if it is worth it when it might take 39 hours for a single pass to encode a two hour movie.

This is on an 8 core AMD FX-8350 running at over 4Ghz. Does anyone else see better results?

Ever considered using HW encoding?
If you post your settings I can try on my system

avs2pipemod\avs2pipemod64.exe" -y4mp W:\TEMP\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3_temp\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3.avs | "C:\Program Files (Portable)\StaxRip\Apps\x265\x265.exe" --crf 18 --profile main10 --output-depth 10 --videoformat component --transfer smpte2084 --range full --hdr --frames 3146 --y4m --output W:\TEMP\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3_temp\Philips_Ultra-HD_Beach_Life_supershop-demo-3_out.hevc
With this cmd line I get about 4 fps, kind of slow

geheim
17th November 2017, 11:29
I get around 4fps on my Intel i7 with x265 - and I don't care about speed, therefore I really hope you don't decide to drop UHD support, @jdobbs. And speeds will get better with future processors anyway ;)

Perhaps there would be a way to integrate nvenc for NVIDIA GPU's as well?? With this you could increase the speed to more than 100fps - similiar to hw encoding with FRIM. Don't know how much work this would be though.

Anyway thanks for working on this at all :)

fgm
17th November 2017, 13:53
Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come"

Ch3vr0n
17th November 2017, 18:36
Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come"

forgot something there!

Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come CRASHING WITH BSOD's""

jdobbs
17th November 2017, 18:41
I'm starting to wonder if anyone has actually created an HEVC stream with X265 that works on a UHD-BD. Every example I've found online fails.

I can take original streams and remux them to playback perfectly -- but every X265 output I've tried won't play when muxed.

AmigaFuture
18th November 2017, 00:05
Just follow Microsoft's credo... "build it and computer power will come"

"Make Windows 8 and 10 because Apple is in bed with us, and let's make Windows GUI even worse than 7."

I haven't done much with x265, yet. Plan to...been really busy.

meadrocks
18th November 2017, 09:05
None that I can think of. Try it and see if it works...

x265-64.exe version 2.4+14 appears to work just fine, output to a .mkv.

Monty11
25th November 2017, 07:10
BD-Rebuilder is a wonderful program - thank you jdobbs! (I've donated.)

I have the StudioCanal blu-ray version of The Third Man (with 21290 on the spine). It has French and Spanish subtitles, but no English subtitles. When I rip the movie to my C drive with MakeMKV and add English subs in an srt file, BD-Rebuilder generates a file where the audio is 2-3 seconds before the video. The audio and video are in sync in the MKV file. If the BD-Rebuilder input is the blu-ray disc (using AnyDVD-HD), the audio and video are in sync - but there are no English subtitles. I get the same results both with and without FFDSHOW, Haali and LAV Filters installed (I followed the 17th October 2017 BDR installation instructions very carefully).

I attach a zip file with the log file and the inf files for the MKV and blu-ray conversions (without FFDSHOW, Haali and LAV). Is there any way to get BDR to make a 25GB blu-ray of this movie that includes subtitles? I'd be grateful for any advice.

varekai
25th November 2017, 12:38
BD-Rebuilder is a wonderful program - thank you jdobbs! (I've donated.)
Yes, agreed BD-RB is wonderful! A donation will come from me before Xmas and hopefully from many more.

If your goal is to make a 25GB Blu-ray folder for burning to BD-disc this is what I do when adding ***.srt subs to a BD.
Using tsMuxer, easySUP or goSUP.

easySUP and goSUP can be downloaded from here:
https://www.videohelp.com/software/easySUP
tsMuxer here:
https://www.videohelp.com/software/tsMuxeR

I make my own subtitles for my projects and this workflow is well tested, maybe not the best, maybe akward, but hey, it works for me! :D
...and it's bulletproof!

First find out what fps (MediaInfo) the input video has.
Then use easySUP or goSUP to convert the ***.srt to a ***.sup.
Open your ***.srt file in SUP app.
Set font size, font color and other settings in SUP apps.
Select the correct fps.
You need to do some testing before you have what you want.
When the settings are done hit "Save eSS" to save project file.
This ***.ess file you can load for a another project.
(I have saved more than 50 different settings, fontsize, color, style, position, bold etc.
So convenient and timesaving to just load when making a new project.)
--> Make shure you selected the correct fps before converting. <--
Then let SUP apps to their magic, you now have a ***.sup file.

Open tsMuxer and point to the correct video stream by selecting corresponding ***mpls from your BD title.
Now you can deselect things from your source file if needed.
In tsMuxer click "add" button and point to the newly created ***.sup.
Again check that video and ***.sup has the same fps, set language name.
Move ***.sup upward to where you want it to be displayed, below video and audio.
Leave all other settings as they are.
Select output to "Blu-ray folder".
Let tsMuxer do it's magic.
Play and check you newly created BD title so that video, audio and subs are in sync.

(Maybe BD-RB supports importing ***.sup files? I haven't tested that.)

Then fire up BD-RB and let it do it's magic to make a 25GB BD folder.

About Mr. Deans SUP software there is a bug in easySUP where the ***.sup fps sometimes misses.
So I use goSUP on these ones. A bit of hit and miss but I'll always get it right in the end.

On a sidenote:
I've tried using BD-RB with latest version of LAVFilters 0.70.2 and all seems to work perfectly.
No issues on the 5 or 6 projects I used so far with it.
I only do movie-only so no menus involved.
Remember, no bugreports when using BD-RB with other helper apps versions than jdobbs recommend.

Blurayhd
25th November 2017, 15:50
Hi all, hi dear jdobbs I need to tell you this because is about Bd rebuilder and I really hope not break any rules, I need to encode some BD50 to BD25 with Bd rebuilder and I need to move from here one place to another, and I have to use mi laptop and because that I so need to know if can I do it that several times of encoding progress without any problems like problems with hardware, motherboard, memory... you know. If this helps my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 with i5 7th gen and 8gb ddr4 and the hot air come out on the back

I so need to know this guys and if I do wrong asking this here I really sorry I dont have any bad intention

Have a nice day

jdobbs
25th November 2017, 16:36
Hi all, hi dear jdobbs I need to tell you this because is about Bd rebuilder and I really hope not break any rules, I need to encode some BD50 to BD25 with Bd rebuilder and I need to move from here one place to another, and I have to use mi laptop and because that I so need to know if can I do it that several times of encoding progress without any problems like problems with hardware, motherboard, memory... you know. If this helps my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 with i5 7th gen and 8gb ddr4 and the hot air come out on the back

I so need to know this guys and if I do wrong asking this here I really sorry I dont have any bad intention

Have a nice dayIt's certainly fine to ask here -- but, unfortunately (and I apologize), I don't understand what you are asking.

RoyGBiv-inRI
25th November 2017, 16:52
I had asked a couple of weeks ago about copying DVDs to a BD without having BDR re-encode. Let me explain my workflow. I am copying something from D* with a Pioneer DVD Recorder. Unfortunately, it sets the wrong AR flag when recording, 4:3 when it should be 16:9. So I've been copying these to my computer using MakeMKV and then using MKVToolNix to change the flag, which also gives me a chance to number and title each MKV correctly. I then import them in to BDR and can put about half a season of one hour shows on one BD.

They will already fit onto a BD, so JDobbs suggested that I just use the pseudo BD structure of the import and burn the disc. When I tried it on some DVDs I had already on my computer, it appeared to work fine. When I tried it with these shows, though, I found that the resulting un re-encoded m2ts files now were back to a 4:3 AR. If I go through the re-encoding process, they are correct again at 16:9. So something is happening both when importing them and then re encoding them to change the AR.

Now re-encoding these is not a big deal. The quality is acceptable, and I'm not sure I'm seeing a big change from the originals, but I would like to avoid this step. So, does anyone know why this is happening? Or, is there a program I can use to change the AR flag on the m2ts files back to 16:9 and burn them without re-encoding?

TIA.

SMK

varekai
25th November 2017, 17:24
Or, is there a program I can use to change the AR flag on the m2ts files back to 16:9 and burn them without re-encoding?

TIA.
SMK
If you are talking about DVD copies from a recordable unit I used this DVDPatcher 1.06
https://www.videohelp.com/software/DVDPatcher

I used to have, ages ago, a Sony RDR-HX 160GB from which I burned recordings to a DVD-RW and then copied back to my PC for editing with menus and stuff.
Aspect ratio was mostly wrong from Sony but DVDPatcher 1.06 worked just fine.

Blurayhd
25th November 2017, 18:00
It's certainly fine to ask here -- but, unfortunately (and I apologize), I don't understand what you are asking.

I need to encode with Bd rebuilder some movies that take as we know several time, so I need to use my laptop to encode but I am worry about if my laptop can do it whitout any problems?

Because that, my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 i5 7th gen with 8gbddr4 and I dont know if I use the laptop for encode could be some hardware problem? My laptop take off the hot air by the back

Hope you understand dear jdobbs?

Ch3vr0n
25th November 2017, 18:17
laptop should work just fine, just won't be as fast as a desktop can do it that's all

AmigaFuture
25th November 2017, 18:47
Hi all, hi dear jdobbs I need to tell you this because is about Bd rebuilder and I really hope not break any rules, I need to encode some BD50 to BD25 with Bd rebuilder and I need to move from here one place to another, and I have to use mi laptop and because that I so need to know if can I do it that several times of encoding progress without any problems like problems with hardware, motherboard, memory... you know. If this helps my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 with i5 7th gen and 8gb ddr4 and the hot air come out on the back

I so need to know this guys and if I do wrong asking this here I really sorry I dont have any bad intention

Have a nice day

When move/copy the BD-RB folders used to a different computer just be sure the source and working paths matches. In INI or Project files. I've done this before from my Notebook to Desktop and visa versa at times.

jdobbs
25th November 2017, 19:48
I had asked a couple of weeks ago about copying DVDs to a BD without having BDR re-encode. Let me explain my workflow. I am copying something from D* with a Pioneer DVD Recorder. Unfortunately, it sets the wrong AR flag when recording, 4:3 when it should be 16:9. So I've been copying these to my computer using MakeMKV and then using MKVToolNix to change the flag, which also gives me a chance to number and title each MKV correctly. I then import them in to BDR and can put about half a season of one hour shows on one BD.

They will already fit onto a BD, so JDobbs suggested that I just use the pseudo BD structure of the import and burn the disc. When I tried it on some DVDs I had already on my computer, it appeared to work fine. When I tried it with these shows, though, I found that the resulting un re-encoded m2ts files now were back to a 4:3 AR. If I go through the re-encoding process, they are correct again at 16:9. So something is happening both when importing them and then re encoding them to change the AR.

Now re-encoding these is not a big deal. The quality is acceptable, and I'm not sure I'm seeing a big change from the originals, but I would like to avoid this step. So, does anyone know why this is happening? Or, is there a program I can use to change the AR flag on the m2ts files back to 16:9 and burn them without re-encoding?

TIA.

SMKWhen BD-RB imports an MKV, it uses the aspect ratio reported by MEDIAINFO. That ratio is taken from the stream -- so I don't see how the import could be the cause.

jdobbs
25th November 2017, 19:52
I need to encode with Bd rebuilder some movies that take as we know several time, so I need to use my laptop to encode but I am worry about if my laptop can do it whitout any problems?

Because that, my laptop is Dell inspiron 17 series 5000 i5 7th gen with 8gbddr4 and I dont know if I use the laptop for encode could be some hardware problem? My laptop take off the hot air by the back

Hope you understand dear jdobbs?I can think of no reason there would be a problem with your laptop as long as you have plenty of storage space. The i5 won't be incredibly fast, but it should be adequate.

Lathe
25th November 2017, 23:54
I make my own subtitles for my projects and this workflow is well tested, maybe not the best, maybe akward, but hey, it works for me! :D
...and it's bulletproof!

Well, you're awkward, probably should be bulletproof, and most definitely should be tested (for numerous things...) but, hey, we all still love ya! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

Blurayhd
26th November 2017, 02:54
I can think of no reason there would be a problem with your laptop as long as you have plenty of storage space. The i5 won't be incredibly fast, but it should be adequate.

I appreciate your comment, you know, I asked here because I like to know what people here can say about it. I asked on others places and other people says they dont recommend laptop for this (this is way I preffer your recomendation)

Monty11
26th November 2017, 03:05
varekai, thank you for your detailed response - but BD-RB 'Import MKV' accepts .srt subs, either as a separate file or muxed into the MKV file.

I am asking jdobbs if it is a bug that BD-RB produces a 2-3 second delay in the video when the input is an MKV file (made from the original Third Man blu-ray with MakeMKV); the sync problem occurs with or without FFDSHOW-Haali-LAV, and with or without adding an English .srt file. There is no sync problem if BD-RB reads the original blu-ray directly (using AnyDVD-HD), but then I cannot add English subtitles. My previous post included the .log and .inf files. I ran BD-RB as an Administrator in Windows-7 64-bit.

jdobbs
26th November 2017, 04:01
varekai, thank you for your detailed response - but BD-RB 'Import MKV' accepts .srt subs, either as a separate file or muxed into the MKV file.

I am asking jdobbs if it is a bug that BD-RB produces a 2-3 second delay in the video when the input is an MKV file (made from the original Third Man blu-ray with MakeMKV); the sync problem occurs with or without FFDSHOW-Haali-LAV, and with or without adding an English .srt file. There is no sync problem if BD-RB reads the original blu-ray directly (using AnyDVD-HD), but then I cannot add English subtitles. My previous post included the .log and .inf files. I ran BD-RB as an Administrator in Windows-7 64-bit.BD-RB uses the audio delay reported by MEDIAINFO when importing an MKV. It's possible it is reporting it incorrectly or it is incorrectly muxed (not sure). I've had that happen to me before at least once.

I know it isn't a problem in 99.9% of MKV files -- as I import them in testing all the time.

Monty11
26th November 2017, 10:57
Thanks, jdobbs. How do I find the audio delay reported by MEDIAINFO, please? It is not listed in the standard MEDIAINFO text report.

jdobbs
26th November 2017, 15:20
Thanks, jdobbs. How do I find the audio delay reported by MEDIAINFO, please? It is not listed in the standard MEDIAINFO text report.From the command prompt, first set yourself to the folder holding the mkv, then type in:

path\to\bd_rebuilder\tools\mediainfo.exe mkvfilename.mkv


Replace "path\to" and "mkvfilename" with your path/name. If it's not listed, I have to would assume MEDIAINFO didn't report a difference. I believe it is called "Delay relative to video". If it isn't there, BD-RB has no other method by which it adjusts the audio stream, unless your settings are telling it to change the frame rate. Outside of that possibility, I'd have to assume the source is corrupt.

RoyGBiv-inRI
26th November 2017, 17:53
When BD-RB imports an MKV, it uses the aspect ratio reported by MEDIAINFO. That ratio is taken from the stream -- so I don't see how the import could be the cause.

I understand and appreciate that, but how do they magically return to 16:9 AR when BD Rebuilder re encodes them?

SMK

RoyGBiv-inRI
26th November 2017, 18:01
Also, I just downloaded a version of MediaINFO to use in Windows. When I load the original file, it tells me the file is 720*480 (16:9). When I load a file from the "imports" folder in BD, it says it is 720*480 (4:3).

I don't know what is responsible for this change.

SMK

AmigaFuture
27th November 2017, 05:02
@ Lathe

Though my logic eludes you at times... How has the changing of encoding quality gone for Series BDs? Or have you checked, yet?

Lathe
27th November 2017, 05:19
@ Lathe

Though my logic alludes you at times... How has the changing of encoding quality gone for Series BDs? Or have you checked, yet?

Did I ever actually say that you had any logic...? :)

Hey, thanks for asking. Yeah, it all turned out really well. Most episodes encoded around a CRF of about 18 or so, with a few lower and a couple higher. Looked really good though!

Oh, in the spirit of our Dear Mr. Video, I think that's 'eludes'... :D

AmigaFuture
27th November 2017, 05:39
Did I ever actually say that you had any logic...? :)

Hey, thanks for asking. Yeah, it all turned out really well. Most episodes encoded around a CRF of about 18 or so, with a few lower and a couple higher. Looked really good though!

Oh, in the spirit of our Dear Mr. Video, I think that's 'eludes'... :D

JDobbs and I are in the same boat, we both finger blundered some recently. But you only caught mine, neener, neener!! N'Yuk, N'Yuk!

Since it all turned out well did it all turn it in before you got to it? Hmm..

Lathe
27th November 2017, 06:33
JDobbs and I are in the same boat, we both finger blundered some recently. But you only caught mine, neener, neener!! N'Yuk, N'Yuk!

Since it all turned out well did it all turn it in before you got to it? Hmm..

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/tsk.gif

Sharc
27th November 2017, 16:05
@jdobbs

Just curious: Will this --sar bug (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1811223&postcount=26173) possibly be fixed in the next release? It's still there in the current release, it seems ...
Any thoughts?

MrVideo
27th November 2017, 16:15
Oh, in the spirit of our Dear Mr. Video, I think that's 'eludes'... :D
You beat me to it! :cool:

varekai
27th November 2017, 20:02
Well, you're awkward, probably should be bulletproof, and most definitely should be tested (for numerous things...) but, hey, we all still love ya! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif
We loves you too! :D
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