BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Lathe]

Hello jdobbs! Do not think, I would not be patient .... :rolleyes: I just wanted to ask if there is something new in the 4K project. The last information was that the video and audio were out of sync. Are you on the track of the mistake?
When I read in other forums, I see that everyone is struggling with similar problems.
Either there is no menu, or the program freezes. No good news. I firmly believe that you can do it!:thanks:

Yeah, you better kiss up to the Boss if you know what's good for you... His hearing may be shot because of all the tours in 'Nam (or was it WWII...?) but his reach is formidable, he knows people...

(Oh... I just realized that the people he knows are us... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/ehh.gif )

[kufo]

Yeah, you better kiss up to the Boss if you know what's good for you... His hearing may be shot because of all the tours in 'Nam (or was it WWII...?) but his reach is formidable, he knows people...

(Oh... I just realized that the people he knows are us... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/ehh.gif )

You're probably a true connoisseur I'm very impressed. :rolleyes:Or do you want to saw something on the chair of the boss ...:cool:

[Lathe]

you're probably a true connoisseur i'm very impressed. :rolleyes:or do you want to saw something on the chair of the boss ...:cool: .


:)

[jdobbs]

Hello jdobbs! Do not think, I would not be patient .... :rolleyes: I just wanted to ask if there is something new in the 4K project. The last information was that the video and audio were out of sync. Are you on the track of the mistake?
When I read in other forums, I see that everyone is struggling with similar problems.
Either there is no menu, or the program freezes. No good news. I firmly believe that you can do it!:thanks:The first instance of that issue was fixed. But then I found another sync problem. That one was fixed (but only kinda'). I've found that I can't get TSMUXER to properly mux an X265 stream that has closed GOPs. When it does, it is way out of sync. So I used open GOPs... unfortunately, though, something happens that causes the video to start/stop at about halfway through the movie when I use that stream. If you mux just the video it plays back fine -- but for some reason it doesn't work properly when I keep the audio too. Interestingly, the original stream muxes and plays fine with or without audio when muxed by TSMUXER. So it has something to do with the new stream created by X265... it could be a setting, but I've been going through virtually every possible iteration of settings with X265 and haven't found a magic bullet yet.

Honestly I've been close to tearing my hair out a few times... I guess I need to find another HEVC encoder just to see if it is TSMUXER, or X265, or the settings that is/are at fault. But since the orginal stream seems to work fine, I suspect X265 or its settings to be the issue (or at least it's interaction with TSMUXER).

[kufo]

The first instance of that issue was fixed. But then I found another sync problem. That one was fixed (but only kinda'). I've found that I can't get TSMUXER to properly mux an X265 stream that has closed GOPs. When it does, it is way out of sync. So I used open GOPs... unfortunately, though, something happens that causes the video to start/stop at about halfway through the movie when I use that stream. If you mux just the video it plays back fine -- but for some reason it doesn't work properly when I keep the audio too. Interestingly, the original stream muxes and plays fine with or without audio when muxed by TSMUXER. So it has something to do with the new stream created by X265... it could be a setting, but I've been going through virtually every possible iteration of settings with X265 and haven't found a magic bullet yet.

Honestly I've been close to tearing my hair out a few times... I guess I need to find another HEVC encoder just to see if it is TSMUXER, or X265, or the settings that is/are at fault. But since the orginal stream seems to work fine, I suspect X265 or its settings to be the issue (or at least it's interaction with TSMUXER).

Hello jdobbs! Thank you for your prompt reply. I had already thought of X265 because I still had the X264 error in the back of my mind. You may remember it. I had X264 from an old BD Rebuilder version inserted and the error was gone. Maybe an older version of X265 is better compatible with TSMUXER?
It would be worth a try, I think.

[thecrowler]

Hi jdobbs, first of all, thanks for BD Rebuilder.
I've read that you're considering a version of BD Rebuilder that can handle 4K UHD Blu-Rays.
Hope not to go OT with the following question.
Since in BD Rebuilder Beta v0.50.25 it's possible to import individual files (for example, ".mkv") and then create a bd-structure (and vice versa), I can imagine that, in the next version, it will also be possible to import mkv files with h265 video stream, and to convert the video stream to x264.
This is already possible usin' other softwares, of course, but I noticed a problem with the color space management (h265 "BT.2020" 10-bit vs x264 "BT.709" 8-bit).
In particular, when encoding to x264 8-bit, colors are completely different from the source colors (h265), they look "washed out".
This happens even if the hardware is natively made to manage h265 BT.2020, 10-bit (Monitor 4k and GPU of recent generation).
Who does not own a 4k hardware/monitor, generally, adopt some kind of software solutions to correct the display color problem.
But, when encoding, those wrong colors become the native colors of the new file, and that's the problem.
Have you found any way to correctly convert the BT.2020 10-bit color spaces (Blu-Ray UHD) into BT.709 8-bit (Blu-Ray video compliant standard)?
Kind regards. :)

[kufo]

Has anyone ever noticed if there is a difference in 4K processing when reading from a mounted ISO? More specifically, are there any differences between reading a disc and a mounted file in terms of image and sound synchronization? Probably the question can only be answered by jdobbs.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs, first of all, thanks for BD Rebuilder.
I've read that you're considering a version of BD Rebuilder that can handle 4K UHD Blu-Rays.
Hope not to go OT with the following question.
Since in BD Rebuilder Beta v0.50.25 it's possible to import individual files (for example, ".mkv") and then create a bd-structure (and vice versa), I can imagine that, in the next version, it will also be possible to import mkv files with h265 video stream, and to convert the video stream to x264.
This is already possible usin' other softwares, of course, but I noticed a problem with the color space management (h265 "BT.2020" 10-bit vs x264 "BT.709" 8-bit).
In particular, when encoding to x264 8-bit, colors are completely different from the source colors (h265), they look "washed out".
This happens even if the hardware is natively made to manage h265 BT.2020, 10-bit (Monitor 4k and GPU of recent generation).
Who does not own a 4k hardware/monitor, generally, adopt some kind of software solutions to correct the display color problem.
But, when encoding, those wrong colors become the native colors of the new file, and that's the problem.
Have you found any way to correctly convert the BT.2020 10-bit color spaces (Blu-Ray UHD) into BT.709 8-bit (Blu-Ray video compliant standard)?
Kind regards. :)HEVC encodes stay 10 bit even for BT.709. Below is a table from BD-ROM_Part3_V3.1_WhitePaper_160729 that can be downloaded online. I haven't given much thought to the conversion to AVC -- as it would be stepping backwards for no apparent reason (unless you wanted to downgrade to 1280p or 480/576 for some reason or are trying to convert for a non-UHD player).

[sneaker_ger]

Problem is HDR. Non-UHD Blu-Ray players need SDR so you need to tonemap. Methods are discussed in other parts of the forum, it's not a trivial topic:
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1827927
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174415
https://github.com/ifb/vapoursynth-tonemap

(That said, not all UHD Blu-Rays have to be HDR.)

[Sharc]

.... and more discussions are ongoing here:
http://rationalqm.us/board/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=617&start=60

[thecrowler]

Problem is HDR. Non-UHD Blu-Ray players need SDR so you need to tonemap. Methods are discussed in other parts of the forum, it's not a trivial topic:
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1827927
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174415
https://github.com/ifb/vapoursynth-tonemap

(That said, not all UHD Blu-Rays have to be HDR.)

@sneaker_ger
Thank you for your answer.
I had read the discussion in the first link you mentioned a few days ago, and that's why I asked @jdobbs what was the solution found in the next beta release of BD Rebuilder.
What I have understood is that "tonemapping" is a manual, temporary solution and, in my judgment, wrong, because it is not based on a standard of conversion between different color profiles nor on a universal algorithm.
In theory, the tonemapping should be applied frame-by-frame, or some scene will always present wrong colors.
Thanks and kind regards.

[thecrowler]

I haven't given much thought to the conversion to AVC -- as it would be stepping backwards for no apparent reason (unless you wanted to downgrade to 1280p or 480/576 for some reason or are trying to convert for a non-UHD player).

@jdobbs
Thanks for your answer.
If I can afford to give you a suggestion, the reason, not apparent, to "step backwards", is the current situation.
The hardware needed for UHD content playback and/or store is too expensive and so will be for a long time.
The availability of UHD video streams is current, instead.
A software that can only store a Blu-Ray UHD structure, perhaps reducing the size of the video/audio tracks to conform to the standard dimensions of a BD-R(L), will be usefull just for fews.
Even actual solutions like Kodi-based hardware will have no benefit at all: they may use an HEVC/x265 .mkv/mp4 file, not a Blu-ray UHD compliant structure.
Talking about standard AVC Blu-Rays, the actual main goal of a software like BD Rebuilder beta, is to retain a BD structure and shrink it (burn, maybe): it's not just a software for simple conversions, like many others.
But a software solution that allows, in the same way, to manage the UHD Blu-Rays without being able to convert it to AVC standards (actual Blu-Ray structure), this one, seems to me rather useless, at least today.
It will be in the (next?) future, of course.
Kind regards.

[drmih]

@jdobbs
Thanks for your answer.
If I can afford to give you a suggestion, the reason, not apparent, to "step backwards", is the current situation.
The hardware needed for UHD content playback and/or store is too expensive and so will be for a long time.
The availability of UHD video streams is current, instead.
A software that can only store a Blu-Ray UHD structure, perhaps reducing the size of the video/audio tracks to conform to the standard dimensions of a BD-R(L), will be usefull just for fews.
Even actual solutions like Kodi-based hardware will have no benefit at all: they may use an HEVC/x265 .mkv/mp4 file, not a Blu-ray UHD compliant structure.
Talking about standard AVC Blu-Rays, the actual main goal of a software like BD Rebuilder beta, is to retain a BD structure and shrink it (burn, maybe): it's not just a software for simple conversions, like many others.
But a software solution that allows, in the same way, to manage the UHD Blu-Rays without being able to convert it to AVC standards (actual Blu-Ray structure), this one, seems to me rather useless, at least today.
It will be in the (next?) future, of course.
Kind regards.
An Xbox One S is a uhd player, and many modern tvs support 4k, so not that rare.

[thecrowler]

An Xbox One S is a uhd player, and many modern tvs support 4k, so not that rare.

@drmih
Yes man, and how are you gonna use a UHD Blu-Ray structure on a ($250/300) Xbox One S?
Are you gonna burn it with a UHD compliant Blu-Ray burner, that costs like your Xbox ($248.52) on a compliant UHD BD-R/RL disc, that doens't even exist?
Can u handle a full UHD Blu-Ray structure from within your Xbox HDD, or from an external USB drive, if u don't wanna/cannot burn it?
Is that "burner+Xbox One S" cheap enough and "not that rare", from your personal point of view (and, in general, is it)?
And what about 4k TVs, maybe you know one that is able to manage a full UHD Blu-Ray structure?
Or, perhaps, are they only able to read HEVC/x265 MKV/M2TS/MP4/AVI containers?
For both Xbox One S and 4k TVs, as I already wrote in my previous post, u should use an HEVC/x265 .mkv/m2ts/mp4 file, not a full UHD Blu-Ray structure, 'cause it's unsupported and so, useless...
And a simple conversion to x265 MKV or M2TS containers (that is not what BD Rebuilder is made for) can be done using any other simple software out there, like MeGUI, MakeMKV, Handbrake and so on.
So, what's the point of your answer? What does this have to do with my question?
Have u carefully read what I wrote?

[jdobbs]

A lot of incorrect assumptions there.

Are you gonna burn it with a UHD compliant Blu-Ray burner, that costs like your Xbox ($248.52) on a compliant UHD BD-R/RL disc, that doens't even exist?
Is that "burner+Xbox One S" cheap enough and "not that rare", from your personal point of view (and, in general, is it)?1. You just play it.
2. You don't need a UHD burner... BD-50 is 100% UHD compliant and discs are under $1.
3. Yes... you can burn to BD-50
4. Players are reasonably priced (under $200). Otherwise a poor person like me wouldn't have one for testing.
For both Xbox One S and 4k TVs, as I already wrote in my previous post, u should use an HEVC/x265 .mkv/m2ts/mp4 file, not a full UHD Blu-Ray structure, 'cause it's unsupported and so, useless...5. Completely incorrect -- and BD Rebuilder certainly is made for creating MKV etc... it's one of its most useful features and it does it automatically from a BD format (including combining multipart sources and letting you choose angles).

Unsupported? Where does that come from?

[thecrowler]

A lot of incorrect assumptions there.


1. You just play it.
2. You don't need a UHD burner... BD-50 is 100% UHD compliant and discs are under $1.
3. Yes... you can burn to BD-50
4. Players are reasonably priced (under $200). Otherwise a poor person like me wouldn't have one for testing.
5. Completely incorrect -- and BD Rebuilder certainly is made for creating MKV etc... it's one of its most useful features and it does it automatically from a BD format (including combining multipart sources and letting you choose angles).

Unsupported? Where does that come from?

"A lot of incorrect assumptions there": well, let's see.

1. "You just play it": well, how? I could only play it on a disk, if this were possible (and it's not), but neither from consolle HDD, nor from an external USB disk.
If u're assuming it's possible, "Xbox One S" manuals are online, please, prove your point, 'cause it's not mentioned anywere.
2. "BD-50 is 100% UHD compliant": this is an "incorrect assumption", 'cause readability will depend from player's hardware/firmware, like BD9 and BD5. NOT a standard, in any case.
You're confusing recordable media standards (BD-50 or BD-RL) and content standards (UHD compliant).
BD-R/RL/XL are BD recordable standards: no specifications are even been published for recordable medias with UHD content, atm, and you're assuming they are "compliant"?
The only published specifications are for UHD-BD.
The hardware of BD-XL compatible burners should read UHD-discs, if the FW allow it: but I'm talking about few XL burners, not about standalone players.
If u wish, find and read some other threads over the Internet, like I did. For example, related to UHD-BD and BD-R media standards:

https://club.myce.com/t/difference-between-bd-xl-and-uhd-blu-ray/399431/16

3. "Yes... you can burn to BD-50": burning on BD-R/RL/XL and reading it on a standalone player (or console), well, it's a different kind of story.
Some standalone players will (hopefully) play UHD BD folder structure, made usin' BD Rebuilder and burned on a BD-R/RL: some others, simply will NOT (and they are priced under $200).
I'm neither a beta-tester nor a software developer, I won't risk $200 for no guarantees.
I also doubt a console will ever play a UHD Blu-Ray structure burned on a BD-R/RL media.
Again, prove your point.
Last but not least, 4k TVs do not handle UHD Blu-Ray folders (structure), at all: if u find that hardware specific on a single TV manual or from any other source, let me know, I'll buy it.
Again, it's not mentioned anywhere, and despite that, you're saying the opposite, so it's up to you to prove that you're not speculating.
4. "Players are reasonably priced (under $200). Otherwise a poor person like me wouldn't have one for testing": I'm poorer than you, apparently. "I'm not a software developer" and points number "2" and "3", are my answers.
Riassuming: 4k TVs are not a choise, consoles won't play UHD content on BD-R medias, standalone players are priced under $200 and gave no guarantees at all (maybe in a future).
That's where "unsupported? Where does that come from?" comes from, and that's why a "step backwards" to AVC as option is needed, in my opinion.
5. "Completely incorrect -- and BD Rebuilder certainly is made for creating MKV ": I believe you're gonna sell BD Rebuilder, after the beta stage.
Considering all the free/commercial software for creating/ripping MKV/M2TS out there, if u believe that "it's one of its most useful features", well, good luck: as a potential customer, I can't say anything else.

[drmih]

Well you seem clueless but I'll answer. I have both an Xbox One S and a Panasonic 900 (so both ends of the UHD market). Both obviously play original disks perfectly and very impressive on a 4K tv with HDR. I have also ripped ISO images (and I believe there are currently 250 to 300 which have been done by others) and then used DVDFab (or CloneBD) to compress them to bd-50, or even bd-25. Any bd burner will do them (bd-25 are about 25p and bd-50 £1) and the compressed versions (actually many uhd disks will fit on bd-50 anyway once foreign languages are removed) play fine on both, with it nearly impossible to tell the difference between bd-66 compressed to bd-50.

[thecrowler]

Well you seem clueless but I'll answer. I have both an Xbox One S and a Panasonic 900 (so both ends of the UHD market). Both obviously play original disks perfectly and very impressive on a 4K tv with HDR. I have also ripped ISO images (and I believe there are currently 250 to 300 which have been done by others) and then used DVDFab (or CloneBD) to compress them to bd-50, or even bd-25. Any bd burner will do them (bd-25 are about 25p and bd-50 £1) and the compressed versions (actually many uhd disks will fit on bd-50 anyway once foreign languages are removed) play fine on both, with it nearly impossible to tell the difference between bd-66 compressed to bd-50.

Well, for sure, you are a big rude, instead, and I will not even answer you.

[jdobbs]

@thecrowler

You are completely wrong on virtually every point you made. Unfortunately it seems you are too uninformed to even carry on a discussion about this issue. I'm not going to waste my time any longer. Writing extremely long posts is the first sign that you are attempting to defend an indefensible position. Example:like BD9 and BD5. NOT a standard, in any case.Wrong... wrong... wrong... any UHD player is required by the standard to support this format. It is completely different from BD-5/9. If you were as informed as you pretend you'd know that. Maybe you should download some of the available free information (like "BD-ROM_Part3_V3.1_WhitePaper_160729") before you start making incorrect statements (especially with an attitude of authority).

Now here is where I stop this ridiculous waste of time: You are instructed (by me -- the moderator) to stop this discussion because it is off topic. Any more posts on this subject will result in strikes and possible loss of privileges on this site.

[MrVideo]

Well, for sure, you are a big rude, instead, and I will not even answer you.
There was absolutely nothing rude in drmih's posting.

[MrVideo]

It is completely different from BD-5/9.
BD5 and BD9 are different from BD-5 and BD-9? Damn, to me the only difference was a poster's use of the dash, or no dash. Color me confused. :o

UPDATE: I can't find any difference between the two (https://www.videosolo.com/tutorials/blu-ray-discs-type.html). It is interesting that UHD players are required to play them, while BD players are not (my Samsung won't).

According to wiki: As of March 2011, BD9 was removed as an official BD-ROM disc. (http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/White_Paper_General_3rd_Dec%202012_20121210.pdf)

[Lathe]

BD5 and BD9 are different from BD-5 and BD-9? Damn, to me the only difference was a poster's use of the dash, or no dash. Color me confused. :o

. :rolleyes:

[MrVideo]

. :rolleyes:
I get the feeling that I misunderstood jdobbs post. :(

[jdobbs]

Please... let’s move on. Let’s try and stick to bug reports and observations about BD-RB, ok?

[AmigaFuture]

Right-O... JD, I know you've been busy..but I am curious if you looked into the rerenderers and were able to reproduce what I posted. Not in a hurry.

[Imperial Zeppelin]

Anyone else have A/V sync issues w/The Last Jedi??? It seems that the soundtracks lags a good second behind the video. I got a good, clean AnyDVD to ISO in that that ISO plays fine, but the BD-Rebuilder ISO has the lag.

Advice appreciated!!

[kufo]

@Imperial Zeppelin
The bug is not to look at BD Rebuilder. There is a problem with shrinking the file and a high quality sound track, e.g. Dolby athmos.
I have this problem with the UHD Deepwater Horizon. There is the delay about 3 seconds. Try to convert the soundtrack to AC3 5.1.
That could fix the problem already.

[Imperial Zeppelin]

@Imperial Zeppelin
The bug is not to look at BD Rebuilder. There is a problem with shrinking the file and a high quality sound track, e.g. Dolby athmos.
I have this problem with the UHD Deepwater Horizon. There is the delay about 3 seconds. Try to convert the soundtrack to AC3 5.1.
That could fix the problem already.

Thanks kufo, I tried again with ALL audio options unchecked in BD Rebuilder and there still was a delay, but not as much as before.

Any other ideas folks???

[slvrsrfr]

There are many discs where the M2TS sequencing doesn't match the order. BD Rebuilder does analysis to determine and present episodes in the proper order wherever it can -- such as using "Play All" playlist ordering, or the order they are found in navigation command lists. It does similar analysis on DVD imports. No algorithm is perfect -- but it does pretty well.

Episodes don't have to be in a single M2TS for BD-RB, it constructs them into one when it imports.

That certainly isn't true with a BD-RB import (as opposed to a traditional "rip"). You have to create a new menu, new playlists, and even reconstruct the M2TS when they are segmented. It's even more true when importing from DVD to BD format. BD-RB also can combine multiple discs into a single structure.


I've imported 4 DVDs of season 1 of Jessica Jones to BD, but the 13 episodes are sequenced out of order from how they were on the DVDs. For example, the 2nd episode on the menu after importing is actually the third one from the DVD. Can this still be an issue? I found the post above, but didn't come across a newer post that might have indicated how to resolve this

Any suggestions appreciated.

[gonca]

.... and more discussions are ongoing here:
http://rationalqm.us/board/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=617&start=60

Some good advancements made so far

[jdobbs]

I've imported 4 DVDs of season 1 of Jessica Jones to BD, but the 13 episodes are sequenced out of order from how they were on the DVDs. For example, the 2nd episode on the menu after importing is actually the third one from the DVD. Can this still be an issue? I found the post above, but didn't come across a newer post that might have indicated how to resolve this

Any suggestions appreciated.It all depends on the authoring. The best that BD-RB can do is make a best guess as to the ordering. Some discs have no rhyme or reason as to the order -- and in those cases it's up to you to reorder them (from the import menu).

The only way to get around this would be for me to write an interpreter for the instruction sequence in the DVD -- and that is way beyond what I'd intended in the import function.

What I do in this instance is look at the times for the episodes on the original, and then compare them to those on the import menu. I then reorder them from the menu if they are out of sequence.

[slvrsrfr]

It all depends on the authoring. The best that BD-RB can do is make a best guess as to the ordering. Some discs have no rhyme or reason as to the order -- and in those cases it's up to you to reorder them (from the import menu).

The only way to get around this would be for me to write an interpreter for the instruction sequence in the DVD -- and that is way beyond what I'd intended in the import function.

OK, thanks for the quick response - I wasn't sure if I need to change a setting or do something else.

What I do in this instance is look at the times for the episodes on the original, and then compare them to those on the import menu. I then reorder them from the menu if they are out of sequence.

Great suggestion - I'll keep an eye on that going forward. I appreciate the feedback.

[Ch3vr0n]

@jdobbs previously i was using software base mode to do my 3D processing. I've just enabled the iGPU (6700k) on my system to see if hardware encoding (quicksync) makes any difference. Do i need to set any options in the ini file to go from sw to hw?

which settings do you recommend on a 6700k? Software enc/dec, software enc, hw dec? Hardware enc/software dec? Hw enc & dec? How do you force hw?

FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0

results in good decode but failed encode, so does 0/1. Removing both starts encoding but at 12FPS, i don't think it's doing hardware based encoding

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs previously i was using software base mode to do my 3D processing. I've just enabled the iGPU (6700k) on my system to see if hardware encoding (quicksync) makes any difference. Do i need to set any options in the ini file to go from sw to hw?

which settings do you recommend on a 6700k? Software enc/dec, software enc, hw dec? Hardware enc/software dec? Hw enc & dec? How do you force hw?

FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0

results in good decode but failed encode, so does 0/1. Removing both starts encoding but at 12FPS, i don't think it's doing hardware based encodingI don't have experience with the 6700k, so I'm not sure I can be of much help. But make sure you download the latest drivers -- as that seems to be the most common issue that causes failed encodes. I ran into the same thing with my i5-based laptop a while back -- and the driver update solved it.

[Ch3vr0n]

I did, it's just 'stuck' after demuxing for a few seconds. Then aborts. Any hidden options? Did multiple reboots, no success yet

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[kufo]

@Ch3vr0n
I did my experiments and went the same way. I have the I7 4790K and I'm stuck with 12fps. HW DECODE / ENCODE with frim would certainly run much faster. If I find out something new, I will report this here.
Perhaps there has to be a new entry in the hidden options text like FRIM_HW_DECODE=1 and FRRIM_HW_ENCODE=1.
@jdobbs
Would that be possible?

[gonca]

From HIDDENOPTS.txt

FRIM_SW_DECODE=n n = 0/1 - if set to 1 (default), FRIMDecode uses software decoding, 0 uses automatic detection
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=n n = 0/1 - if set to 1 (default), FRIMEncode uses software encoding, 0 uses automatic detection

FRIM_HW_DECODE=1 and FRRIM_HW_ENCODE=0.

[Ch3vr0n]

From HIDDENOPTS.txtWeird, I did a search on 'frim' in hisdenopts and it only found the sw ones. To do HW on both, I set those 2 to '1'?

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[gonca]

Weird, I did a search on 'frim' in hisdenopts and it only found the sw ones. To do HW on both, I set those 2 to '1'?

Sent from my Nexus 7 with Tapatalk
The post was in reply to the one prior to yours
To force HW use FRIM_xxx=0, if it detects the iGPU it will use hardware

[Ch3vr0n]

Well this is just weird

FRIM_HW_ENC=0 => 12FPS approx, HW_ENC=0: 8FPS :p

[gonca]

Well this is just weird

FRIM_HW_ENC=0 => 12FPS approx, HW_ENC=0: 8FPS :p

Try
FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0

[jdobbs]

Well this is just weird

FRIM_HW_ENC=0 => 12FPS approx, HW_ENC=0: 8FPS :pThere are no FRIM_HW settings. It's just FRIM_SW_DECODE and FRIM_SW_ENCODE. Setting them to 0 implies HW (automatic detection).

All the settings do is change the FRIM command line to/from "-sw" and "-hw". For it to work, the system has to be configured to support HW encoding and have the proper drivers. That's about it. BD-RB's involvement in that process is minimal.

Is there a bios setting for the gpu maybe?

I'm using FRIM v1.25 by default in BD-RB. If you can't get it to work, maybe try downloading a newer FRIM version (with the DLLS). Beware, though, I'm not sure what changes have been made of if it will even work.

[Ch3vr0n]

the bios iGPU has been enabled yes, CloneBD for example detects QuickSync (where it previously didn't). Ah well, guess i need more tinkering. Latest intel drivers are installed, if you can point me to the place to grab frim i'll take a look

** edit ** found them on https://www.videohelp.com/software/FRIM

updated to 1.27

FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0

results in what i earlier said a "pause" of 10-15sec when encoding is about to start and then "failed"

DECODE=0 and ENCODE=1 = fail
DECODE=1 and ENCODE=0 = fail

removing BOTH entries, encoding starts at the "normal" 10-12FPS

i'm outta idea's. Even did multiple googles and they all say something like "connect to VGA" for the iGPU at some point. Problem: there's no such option in windows 10

[worknstiff]

@ Ch3vr0n: RE: i'm outta idea's.

I have the same 6700K and I get BD_Rebuilder FRIM running at 88 FPS by using this in my config.ini file.

Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.24
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENABLE_TEST=1
BLANK_THRESHOLD=0
MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=03
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=5
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=0
TARGET_SIZE=24350
FORCE_ENCODE=0
FRIM_SW_DECODE=1
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0
PRIORITY_CLASS=2
...

Also intel has a pretty good program on their website to automatically find updated drivers for your motherboard and CPU at ( https://downloadcenter.intel.com/ ) and click on "Get Started" to download the Intel® Driver & Support Assistant (Intel® DSA) program. It will check all your intel stuff. I use it occasionally but I uninstall it after I use it to keep it from running every startup.

Hope this helps.

[gonca]

Could it be an A/V issue since HW encoding requires access to the drivers, or maybe set FRIM to run as Administrator for a test

[Ch3vr0n]

Tried 1/0, fails to start encoding. Decodes fine. No idea what the PRIORITY one is but can't find it in hiddenopts. You've got a GPU installed too like i do (GTX 1080)? Already running latest drivers. That's the first thing i did after enabling the igpu in the bios. Setting SW_DECODE to 1 and leaving the other one out works too, but at the "normal" software FPS.

No overclocking is going on btw.

[worknstiff]

RE: No idea what the PRIORITY one is?
I think it's under "Setting" and "Encoder Settings", where you can choose "Normal, Idle, or High". I have mine set at High.

RE: No overclocking is going on btw.
I have mine overclocked with a 47 multiplier all cores btw.

Have you looked under device manager to see if you have a second "greyed" out monitor listed? I think you have to hook up and run the monitor on the integrated graphics connector at least once for it to enable Quicksync, or at least that's what I had to do with my old 2600K.

[Ch3vr0n]

No greyed out ones listed. Just 2 standard "General PnP-Display". But i believe you're wrong on the last part. Elby's CloneBD can utilise QuickSync just fine (hw decoding and encoding) WITHOUT any display hooked up to the onboard hdmi.

[CraigWally]

Anyone else have A/V sync issues w/The Last Jedi??? It seems that the soundtracks lags a good second behind the video. I got a good, clean AnyDVD to ISO in that that ISO plays fine, but the BD-Rebuilder ISO has the lag.

Advice appreciated!!

No, mine just works fine. Tested on standalone too

[jdobbs]

Anyone else have A/V sync issues w/The Last Jedi??? It seems that the soundtracks lags a good second behind the video. I got a good, clean AnyDVD to ISO in that that ISO plays fine, but the BD-Rebuilder ISO has the lag.

Advice appreciated!!I recommend you uninstall and reinstall the LAV filters or FFDSHOW (or both depending on what you have installed). Make sure they are ONLY the versions listed in the first post of this thread. Sometimes other software installs can override them and cause sync issues. Other versions can also cause sync issues.