BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Ch3vr0n]

Seems like BDRB still blanks menu's (like i said on a previous post) See image

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4748/bdrbmenublank.png

[jdobbs]

For catalog titles its more common then you think, they generally just port over the DVD extras content and throw its MPEG-2 into an m2ts container.

That would be a nice feature if you can add the check, then it makes it possible to create a true DVD bonus disk from the extras on Bluray. Exactly what I said. The feature is rarely MPEG-2. Extras aren't features -- and it's extremely rare that anyone wants to make a movie-only disc of an extra. If there are more than one extra (unless linked somehow) you'd only get one of them.

[jdobbs]

Seems like BDRB still blanks menu's (like i said on a previous post) See image

There is no 100% perfect way to identify a menu, this is especially true (but not unique to) discs that use BD-J (like[I] I said in a previous post). That's why I waited so long to add the editing feature and still have it hidden except to advanced users who frequent this beta thread. BD-Rebuilder just weighs several indicators and makes a best-guess. It does a pretty good job, but I'm not sure there will ever be a way to make the selection perfect.

[allright]

Okay, did it again, my system is set up to only keep English and danish audio, and keep all subs.

All old jobs deleted incl. inf file.

Window before start:
http://s9.postimage.org/h2khnt74v/bd2.jpg

inf file:
[Status]
LABEL=PROJ424
VERSION=v0.39.04 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=31078788759
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=29259270144
TARGET_SIZE=24956108800
REDUCTION=.79074392734791
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=dan;eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=-1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=4
[00001]
AUDIO=10100010100
PGS=1111111111111111111111111
VIDEO2=351078663.865546
V2MBRATE=7000
M2TS_TARGET=21249872037
RATE=24017

LOG:
[18:40:34] BD Rebuilder v0.39.04 (beta)
- Source: PROJ424
- Input BD size: 28,94 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:49:54.879]
- Target BD size: 23,24 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[18:40:35] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:40:35] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 18)
- [18:40:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [18:58:09] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- [18:58:09] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 126.216 frames
- Bitrate: 24.017 Kbs
- [19:02:41] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [20:05:42] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [21:13:14] Video Encode complete
- [21:13:14] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (nor): Keeping original audio
- Track 4354 (dan): Keeping original audio
- Track 4355 (swe): Keeping original audio
- Track 4356 (fin): Keeping original audio
- Track 4357 (isl): Keeping original audio
- Track 4358 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4359 (nor): Keeping original audio
- Track 4360 (dan): Keeping original audio
- Track 4361 (swe): Keeping original audio
- Track 4362 (fin): Keeping original audio
- [21:13:14] Multiplexing M2TS
- Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00001.meta
- Pes packet len too large ( >100Mb). Bad stream or invalid codec speciffed.
[21:14:40] - Failed to build structure, aborted

So the audio is not selected, but it seems it tries to do something anyhow?

Regards
JJ

I can assure you that if it processed all the languages -- they were all selected. You may not think so -- but they were. An important note to remember is that if you resume a job, the original audio selections from the time the job was first started are used (not any changes you may have made in the interim). This is necessary to prevent wild sizing errors due to mid-stream changes. Another possibility is if the stream isn't an original and/or the stream languages aren't properly marked or are set to undetermined ("und"). In that case they are assumed to be the default language. That means they could be kept when that language was selected.

[Ch3vr0n]

Fair enough, was just pointing it out :), i figure that the way to determine if a disc uses java or not is if the JAR directory is empty or not? Well if that's true then Cowboys ain't empty and uses Java. I know its still a test feature and doesnt always work like it should (selects streams to blank that should and reverse), wich is why i preview every selected stream. If you need a few files to diagnose this i'd be happy to help, the menu VID_00000 is only 312kb in size. I'd be happy to send it along with any related files.

I can tell you that the new audio check routine you added it 39.04 is working. See log snippet.

- [21:09:43] Reencoding video [VID_00255]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 9.524 frames
- Bitrate: 9.317 Kbs
- [21:09:43] Reencoding: VID_00255, Pass 1 of 2
- [21:15:03] Reencoding: VID_00255, Pass 2 of 2
- [21:20:36] Video Encode complete
- [21:20:36] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [21:20:36] Multiplexing M2TS

[jdobbs]

Fair enough, was just pointing it out :), i figure that the way to determine if a disc uses java or not is if the JAR directory is empty or not? Well if that's true then Cowboys ain't empty and uses Java. I know its still a test feature and doesnt always work like it should (selects streams to blank that should and reverse), wich is why i preview every selected stream. If you need a few files to diagnose this i'd be happy to help, the menu VID_00000 is only 312kb in size. I'd be happy to send it along with any related files.

I can tell you that the new audio check routine you added it 39.04 is working. See log snippet.

- [21:09:43] Reencoding video [VID_00255]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 9.524 frames
- Bitrate: 9.317 Kbs
- [21:09:43] Reencoding: VID_00255, Pass 1 of 2
- [21:15:03] Reencoding: VID_00255, Pass 2 of 2
- [21:20:36] Video Encode complete
- [21:20:36] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [21:20:36] Multiplexing M2TS But, as I pointed out, you also can't be 100% sure even if there isn't BD-J.

[jdobbs]

Okay, did it again, my system is set up to only keep English and danish audio, and keep all subs.

All old jobs deleted incl. inf file.

Window before start:
[Image]

inf file:
[Status]
LABEL=PROJ424
VERSION=v0.39.04 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=31078788759
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=29259270144
TARGET_SIZE=24956108800
REDUCTION=.79074392734791
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=dan;eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=-1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=4
[00001]
AUDIO=10100010100
PGS=1111111111111111111111111
VIDEO2=351078663.865546
V2MBRATE=7000
M2TS_TARGET=21249872037
RATE=24017

LOG:
[18:40:34] BD Rebuilder v0.39.04 (beta)
- Source: PROJ424
- Input BD size: 28,94 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:49:54.879]
- Target BD size: 23,24 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[18:40:35] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:40:35] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 18)
- [18:40:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [18:58:09] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- [18:58:09] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 126.216 frames
- Bitrate: 24.017 Kbs
- [19:02:41] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [20:05:42] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [21:13:14] Video Encode complete
- [21:13:14] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (nor): Keeping original audio
- Track 4354 (dan): Keeping original audio
- Track 4355 (swe): Keeping original audio
- Track 4356 (fin): Keeping original audio
- Track 4357 (isl): Keeping original audio
- Track 4358 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4359 (nor): Keeping original audio
- Track 4360 (dan): Keeping original audio
- Track 4361 (swe): Keeping original audio
- Track 4362 (fin): Keeping original audio
- [21:13:14] Multiplexing M2TS
- Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00001.meta
- Pes packet len too large ( >100Mb). Bad stream or invalid codec speciffed.
[21:14:40] - Failed to build structure, aborted

So the audio is not selected, but it seems it tries to do something anyhow?

Regards
JJ It's possible that the message is being printed in error. I'll check. But I don't think so -- I use it every day and have never had a non-selected audio listed.

It can't be truly keeping them -- because they aren't even extracted if not selected.


[Edit]

I found it. It's working correctly, but is printing the message for all tracks when it shouldn't. It's because you have "KEEP_HD_AUDIO" selected (I never keep HD audio personally). I've fixed it for the next release.

[allright]

It's possible that the message is being printed in error. I'll check. But I don't think so -- I use it every day and have never had a non-selected audio listed.

It can't be truly keeping them -- because they aren't even extracted if not selected.


[Edit]

I found it. It's working correctly, but is printing the message for all tracks when it shouldn't. It's because you have "KEEP_HD_AUDIO" selected (I never keep HD audio personally). I've fixed it for the next release.

Good to hear, any idea what could be causing the error that BD-R stops with?

[setarip_old]

@Ch3vr0n

Hi! i figure that the way to determine if a disc uses java or not is if the JAR directory is empty or not?As an alternative method, if the disc initializes by displaying some type of active "loading" image display (growing bars, rotating circle, an image being gradually filled, etc.), I'm fairly certain that this too is indicative of Java being implemented on the particular disc...

[jdobbs]

Good to hear, any idea what could be causing the error that BD-R stops with?That's pretty much always a corrupt source (probably an audio track). But (if I recall correctly) I may be able to create a workaround. I seem to recall that on some sources (not all) you can get past that error if you demux the video separately from the audio.

[Ch3vr0n]

@Jdobbs: i can confirm the "bug" in that original audio being kept message. Just had it too. - [21:31:15] Reencoding video [VID_00800]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 194.929 frames
- Bitrate: 11.701 Kbs
- [21:31:15] Reencoding: VID_00800, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:35:15] Reencoding: VID_00800, Pass 2 of 2
- [01:56:01] Video Encode complete
- [01:56:01] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (deu): Keeping original audio
- Track 4354 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4355 (spa): Keeping original audio
- Track 4356 (fra): Keeping original audio
- Track 4357 (ita): Keeping original audio
- Track 4358 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [01:56:01] Multiplexing M2TS

Looking forward to the next release. Especially for that custom "finished tune" hidden command :)

[ftb32]

I've experienced this as well with at least 3 releases on my JVC XV-BP1, Rise of the Planet of the Apes (39.03) black and timer stuck at 0:00, The Crow (39.02) black and timer stuck at 0:00, and Cars 2 (39.02) shows the Disney castle and the timer counts but it does not progress, and hitting any keys are blocked. These 3 movies play fine in the PS3.

These were BD25 Full movie backups, and I did Cars 2 twice to verify. It doesn't happen on all backups though as I've had others that work fine like Season of the Witch (39.03).

Reason I didn't report it is I thought the JVC was starting to fail, but after reading others are experiencing it, now know that's not the case.

One other thing I would like to mention is Imgburn updated to 2.5.6.0 around the time I started experiencing this as well, so maybe it's the culprit. I'll downgrade imgburn to 2.5.5.0 and see if that changes anything.

Edit: Downgraded Imgburn to 2.5.5.0, recreated and burned the iso and still experiencing the same issue, so Imgburn is not the cause.

Edit2: Also confirmed ISO is playing fine in TotalMedia Theatre 5 so it looks like it may just be stand alones that are affected.

Update: Just ran the same rip through dvdfab and am experiencing the same issue, so it appears bd rebuilder is not the issue, wish I had a 50gb bdrw to test the original image on, oh well. :)

I have the same problem with this titles.jejeje..

[drmih]

I have the same problem with this titles.jejeje..

It might depend on whether you also have the same source:

"Update: Just ran the same rip through dvdfab and am experiencing the same issue, so it appears bd rebuilder is not the issue, wish I had a 50gb bdrw to test the original image on, oh well."

It looks to me like rippn might not have ripped it from the original disc himself!

[had-z]

It's possible that the message is being printed in error. I'll check. But I don't think so -- I use it every day and have never had a non-selected audio listed.

It can't be truly keeping them -- because they aren't even extracted if not selected.


[Edit]

I found it. It's working correctly, but is printing the message for all tracks when it shouldn't. It's because you have "KEEP_HD_AUDIO" selected (I never keep HD audio personally). I've fixed it for the next release.

I do HP7-2 and found the same issue with the message of keeping audios that you don't want (but i doubt if necessary to report it, because the rebuild is 100 % fine, only keeps the audios marked in the setup), if count for something i use KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0 always.

Related to this i always asking me why in the ps3 the removed audios are selectable/displayed? is not posible to completely remove the tag of these audios?

Thanks!

[jdobbs]

I do HP7-2 and found the same issue with the message of keeping audios that you don't want (but i doubt if necessary to report it, because the rebuild is 100 % fine, only keeps the audios marked in the setup), if count for something i use KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0 always.

Related to this i always asking me why in the ps3 the removed audios are selectable/displayed? is not posible to completely remove the tag of these audios?

Thanks! It'll do it on every disc that has "Keep HD Audio" selected. But it's just a cosmetic thing -- no impact on the encode.

It's not a good idea to remove the tags. If you did you'd also have to recreate the menu images, buttons, selection commands etc... that's virtually impossible -- and it still wouldn't fix any BD-J selection mechanisms. So instead, I've pointed any removed audio references to the first of the ones that were kept.

[[SLiM]D12]

thx jdobbs. Your guidance lead me to the AC3 file that BD-RB was remuxxing and i just replaced that with the non cinavia infected one and it worked out well.

I know a long time ago you suggested i do that, but for whatever reason, i could never get it to work. This time it did.

Thanks again!

[Rich86]

D12;1542440']Quick question for ya. I've done a few Cinavia titles, and taken the DVD AC3 and just muxed into the MT2S file that BD-RB had created.

Keep in mind that it is highly possible and likely that the DVD audio track is also corrupted with cinavia . . .

[[SLiM]D12]

Keep in mind that it is highly possible and likely that the DVD audio track is also corrupted with cinavia . . .

Nope.

Lately, for whatever reason, the DVD titles aren't coming out with Cinavia. They were doing it for a while, but quite a few DVD's released in 2011 don't have it.

I always test on bd-re first and let it play for 30+ and if there's no cinavia error, i'm good. I've recently done 30 minutes or Less and Friends with Benefits this way. Both worked fine.

If you check here, you'll see what I mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

[allright]

That's pretty much always a corrupt source (probably an audio track). But (if I recall correctly) I may be able to create a workaround. I seem to recall that on some sources (not all) you can get past that error if you demux the video separately from the audio.

Okay, tried to turn off different streams, and when i tried without the ENG DTS-HD BD-R finished without errors, but the image was oversized 25.576.472.576 :-(

Will try to change to custom size.

//JJ

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Both v.39.03 and 39.04 show the same information under the "Stream" tab regarding the original "Planet of the Apes" (1968). The actual primary movie M2TS is 00055.M2TS approximately 27Gb:

1) If BD-25 is selected, the "Stream" tab lists VID00081 through VID00150

2) If BD-9 is selected, the "Stream" tab lists the "full shot" of VID00012 through VID00150

I'll attempt to do a 25Gb FULL DISC backup to see if it's actually limited to only the listed items. Result with v.39.04 as well as with v.39.03 is that it cannot be done! Error message, "Target too small to continue" Ok. I fixed this one. It was an odd set of circumstances in which BD Rebuilder thought the feature was a menu. It got even more confused when it found another stream that was longer (one of the extras). I've added code to prioritize how it determines features a little better.

[omegaman7]

I have the same problem with this titles.jejeje..

Have you tried a movie only backup, for sheets and giggles ;)

I have found with at least 90% of my backups (As of late), my Samsung 1590 says it can't play the disc. Unfortunately, I've done multiple firmware upgrades. What's funny is, it will play old backups fine(The Other Guys) for instance. But if I burn movie only, everything seems fine so far. I recently acquired an LG BD640, and will do even more testing. I generally use Verbatim LTH discs, and Taiyo Yuden 4X LTH discs. The Taiyo Yuden discs, the Samsung seems to like. What a shame BD-R can't be booktyped to BD-Rom :(

[Ch3vr0n]

Have you ever come to think it was the DISCS your using? LTH discs (Low to High) have a very small amount of players compatible with LTH discs, the brand doesnt matter. Those types of discs use an organic dye and not all players know how to deal with that. Try the standard type of Verbatim's (NON LTH) and BD-R's can be booktyped just fine. Mine are. It just depends if your burner supports booktype setting and the program use. I use IMGBurn for all my blu-ray burns and it marks em as BD-Rom everytime

[omegaman7]

I did not make that statement lightly. You're just gonna have to trust me. As I said, the samsung likes the taiyo yudens. Is that really so surprising? Taiyo Yuden is nothing short of epic...
I am very aware of the LTH issues :p As I said, movie only as of late, seems to bypass the problems I'm encountering. But I'm not done testing.

Sorry Jdobbs. I'll stop this :S

[setarip_old]

Ok. I fixed this one. It was an odd set of circumstances in which BD Rebuilder thought the feature was a menu. It got even more confused when it found another stream that was longer (one of the extras). I've added code to prioritize how it determines features a little better.
Good to hear that you've resolved it - and that it was just as you'd speculated ;>}

The monkeys await the fix in the next version!

[Sharc]

@jdobbs

I tried the new filter prefix r: in movie-only mode using CRF prediction. Source is 1080p. I select resize to 720p.
Resizing is ok, but the extra filter is neither inserted in the temp.avs (used for prediction) nor in the feature avs (in my case VID_00017.AVS)
My filter:
F:P:r:Sharpen(0.15)
(+"Save Changes")

Did I miss something?

[omegaman7]

I had problems with "Full backups" multiple titles, playing back on my Samsung 1590(Cars 2 was among them). My new LG BD640(with stock firmware) plays literally everything I throw at it! Files on USB, virtually every BD-R disc type I have :) Cars 2 seems to play perfectly. Verbatim LTH, Taiyo Yuden LTH, Ritek BD-R, CMC MAG media, etc. I'll be hard pressed to find something it can't play. Best part so far, seems to be that it does not support cinavia detection. I watched "The Other Guys" for 30 Minutes without the detection. Score!

My only guess is Samsung released a firmware crippling future burns? I strongly recommend the LG player. It's near silent, and aesthetically pleasing. And more to the point, it supports a multitude of BD-R media.

It should be noted, I only ever use anydvd HD for decrypting purposes.

I figured this relevant, since a few of us have had problems with modern backups. I'll probably never update the LG, unless it's absolutely vital!

[tplat]

I had problems with "Full backups" multiple titles, playing back on my Samsung 1590(Cars 2 was among them). My new LG BD640(with stock firmware) plays literally everything I throw at it! Files on USB, virtually every BD-R disc type I have :) Cars 2 seems to play perfectly. Verbatim LTH, Taiyo Yuden LTH, Ritek BD-R, CMC MAG media, etc. I'll be hard pressed to find something it can't play. Best part so far, seems to be that it does not support cinavia detection. I watched "The Other Guys" for 30 Minutes without the detection. Score!

My only guess is Samsung released a firmware crippling future burns? I strongly recommend the LG player. It's near silent, and aesthetically pleasing. And more to the point, it supports a multitude of BD-R media.

It should be noted, I only ever use anydvd HD for decrypting purposes.

I figured this relevant, since a few of us have had problems with modern backups. I'll probably never update the LG, unless it's absolutely vital!

Like mentioned you might want to start looking at your media. I have backed up movies on both Ritek and Ridata BD`s about a year ago and some will play and some wont now also from what I was told is that LTH media isnt real BD R media, its made on the same machines as regular blank dvd`s. Its not made on actual BD R machines made specificly to manufacture BD R media. Up untill a month or so ago I never had a BD fail to burn or complete the burning phase untill I got some new Ridata BD R media that was on sale on newegg.com, sofar out of a 15 pack I have had 2 failed burns, using other media like Optical Quantum, Memorex and one other brand I have had no failed burns or playback problems. Ritek and Ridata are made by the same company just sold under two different names.

[omegaman7]

I keep up on tech news :p I'm well aware of LTH specifications. The samsung is nothing more than a paperweight now. Congratulations samsung. You disappointed me. I suppose it was one of the earlier players though. I've been playing with burnable DVD media since 2003. I'm also well aware of good vs bad brands.

[jdobbs]

I had problems with "Full backups" multiple titles, playing back on my Samsung 1590(Cars 2 was among them). My new LG BD640(with stock firmware) plays literally everything I throw at it! Files on USB, virtually every BD-R disc type I have :) Cars 2 seems to play perfectly. Verbatim LTH, Taiyo Yuden LTH, Ritek BD-R, CMC MAG media, etc. I'll be hard pressed to find something it can't play. Best part so far, seems to be that it does not support cinavia detection. I watched "The Other Guys" for 30 Minutes without the detection. Score!

My only guess is Samsung released a firmware crippling future burns? I strongly recommend the LG player. It's near silent, and aesthetically pleasing. And more to the point, it supports a multitude of BD-R media.

It should be noted, I only ever use anydvd HD for decrypting purposes.

I figured this relevant, since a few of us have had problems with modern backups. I'll probably never update the LG, unless it's absolutely vital! Does it support full backups to BD-5/9?

[omegaman7]

It supports AVCHD discs :) Though when I go that route, I only keep the main title. So that I preserve as much of the quality as possible ;)

[jdobbs]

It supports AVCHD discs :) Though when I go that route, I only keep the main title. So that I preserve as much of the quality as possible ;) But does it support full backups to BD-9 in BD format -- meaning it also supports BD-J (on BD-9)? I typically only do movie-only as well when I write to DVD+-R, but I was just wondering for the sake of compatibility.

[omegaman7]

I can test it for your sake if you wish. So what you'd like me to do, is back up fully to BD-9. I'll leave the Strict AVCHD checked, since it only applies to movie only backups anyway.
Is there a particular title you'd recommend, or just pick one LOL!?

[jdobbs]

I can test it for your sake if you wish. So what you'd like me to do, is back up fully to BD-9. I'll leave the Strict AVCHD checked, since it only applies to movie only backups anyway.
Is there a particular title you'd recommend, or just pick one LOL!? Any disc that has BD-J. Almost any player that supports AVCHD will play a full-backup disc that uses HDMV for its menus -- but there are relatively few that will support BD-J. I'd like to add to the thread that lists them if the LG supports it as well.

[omegaman7]

Very well. According to Wiki, "Batman Begins" utilizes BD-J. And most importantly, it's already on my drive :) I'll begin the encode around 4:00 today. So I won't know til either tonight, or early morning. Stay tuned ;)

[omegaman7]

Any disc that has BD-J. Almost any player that supports AVCHD will play a full-backup disc that uses HDMV for its menus -- but there are relatively few that will support BD-J. I'd like to add to the thread that lists them if the LG supports it as well.

I made a full backup of Batman Begins to BD-9. The results are unusual to me :p

Apparently I've found one of the few things the LG BD640 cannot do. It won't play A full backup BD disc, on BD-9. At least as far BD-J is concerned. It tried to load the disc, called it a blu-ray disc, but then a triangle with exclamation point came up. To which it ejected the disc.
Although the Samsung BD-P1590 WILL play back the disc. I found that quite surprising. Throughout the time I've had the Samsung, it's been rather picky.
Might I also add, it's rather impressive! The backup that is. The main title (including two audio tracks) takes a mere 4.28Gb. The extras were also agreeable quality. Everything appears to be in sync. No errors to report.

The disc in question is a Verbatim +R DL, made in singapore. One of the best, if not the best Dual layers one can buy. I burned it at 4x with a trusted NEC chipped optiarc.

[jdobbs]

I made a full backup of Batman Begins to BD-9. The results are unusual to me :p

Apparently I've found one of the few things the LG BD640 cannot do. It won't play A full backup BD disc, on BD-9. At least as far BD-J is concerned. It tried to load the disc, called it a blu-ray disc, but then a triangle with exclamation point came up. To which it ejected the disc.
Although the Samsung BD-P1590 WILL play back the disc. I found that quite surprising. Throughout the time I've had the Samsung, it's been rather picky.
Might I also add, it's rather impressive! The backup that is. The main title (including two audio tracks) takes a mere 4.28Gb. The extras were also agreeable quality. Everything appears to be in sync. No errors to report.

The disc in question is a Verbatim +R DL, made in singapore. One of the best, if not the best Dual layers one can buy. I burned it at 4x with a trusted NEC chipped optiarc. Thanks for the test.

It's really not that big a deal anyway. Now that BD-25's have dropped to sub-$1 prices, it's really not that big a deal anymore.

[Capsbackup]

Thanks for the test.

It's really not that big a deal anyway. Now that BD-25's have dropped to sub-$1 prices, it's really not that big a deal anymore.

True, that BD-25's have become reasonably priced. However, more of a concern for me is the numerous (200+) fullbackups to BD5/9 media that work perfectly on my present Sony's BDP-BX1 and S360, that may not work when it is time to replace one or both of these players. :(
I would have thought, rather hoped, that compatibility would get better as the Blu-ray players evolved, but maybe that was a pipe dream! :devil:

[jdobbs]

True, that BD-25's have become reasonably priced. However, more of a concern for me is the numerous (200+) fullbackups to BD5/9 media that work perfectly on my present Sony's BDP-BX1 and S360, that may not work when it is time to replace one or both of these players. :(
I would have thought, rather hoped, that compatibility would get better as the Blu-ray players evolved, but maybe that was a pipe dream! :devil: Just keep them on BD-9 for now, and when BD-R gets real cheap in a year or two (25 cents or so), just copy the image from the BD-9 to BD-R. That way you don't have to do any reencoding. You'll waste the extra space, but who cares as long as the quality is good!

[omegaman7]

True, that BD-25's have become reasonably priced. However, more of a concern for me is the numerous (200+) fullbackups to BD5/9 media that work perfectly on my present Sony's BDP-BX1 and S360, that may not work when it is time to replace one or both of these players. :(
I would have thought, rather hoped, that compatibility would get better as the Blu-ray players evolved, but maybe that was a pipe dream! :devil:

That is a reasonable concern. But Jdobbs makes a valuable point.

I only burned a handful of AVCHD discs using Ripbot, before using Bd Rebuilder. When I began using BD-R media, the typical price was $2.50 - 4.00 USD per disc. It's come down quickly if you ask me. The Burners are dropping quickly too. SPeaking of which, I'm gonna nead a new one before too long :S

You're welcome :) I love testing things.

[JJB]

That is a reasonable concern. But Jdobbs makes a valuable point.

I only burned a handful of AVCHD discs using Ripbot, before using Bd Rebuilder. When I began using BD-R media, the typical price was $2.50 - 4.00 USD per disc. It's come down quickly if you ask me. The Burners are dropping quickly too. SPeaking of which, I'm gonna nead a new one before too long :S

You're welcome :) I love testing things.

I have used MultiAVCHD to add the 3 Toy Story movies on BD-5 to a BD-25 with menus, of course they were movie only so that's not much help if you want to keep all extras and menus.

Plays great.

[SquallMX]

I just encoded Kung Fu Panda 2, everything is OK, but the VBV values for the main movie are not compilant, I keep the (huge) Lossless track so rebuilder compensates lowering the vbv_maxrate to "25370" but the vbv_bufsize is still "30000", acording to this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154533) thread vbv_bufsize should never be higher than vbv_maxrate:

Maximum allowed buffer, buffer size is in relation with maxrate. Since STD Buffer Delay for Blu-Ray allows maximum 1 second. This mean to divide buffer with maxrate and see if result is less or equal to 1, if not, buffer is need to be reduced to lower value that meet 1 second STD. For BD media, maximum settings is allowed (30000), but if not meet STD Buffer Delay, then need to be reduced to lower value. For DVD media there is no maximum in Blu-Ray specification, but is strongly recommended that use less or equal to 15000, and again need to meet STD delay of 1 second.

For example:

--vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 is allowed
--vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 30000 is allowed
--vbv-bufsize 15000 --vbv-maxrate 30000 is allowed
--vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 15000 is not allowed (delay is greater than 1 second)

Basicly vbv-bufsize should newer been greater than vbv-maxrate, that is whole point.

:helpful:

[jdobbs]

I just encoded Kung Fu Panda 2, everything is OK, but the VBV values for the main movie are not compilant, I keep the (huge) Lossless track so rebuilder compensates lowering the vbv_maxrate to "25370" but the vbv_bufsize is still "30000", acording to this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154533) thread vbv_bufsize should never be higher than vbv_maxrate:



:helpful:

BD-RB should never create more than a 1 second buffer. It could be I didn't compensate properly when a huge audio track lowers the maximum bitrate. I'll check it out.

[sonate]

It's not a stretch that MY system shows an incompatibility with one version of aften yet is not necessarily out of whack or set up incorrectly.

When using inspect.exe, it will show the newest version of aften.exe included in the BD reb download to be correct. However archiving the one you included and using this version downloaded here, an older version yet labeled .008, the AC3 encoding works fine.

http://www.softpedia.com/dyn-postdownload.php?p=65101&t=4&i=1

267KB Date Mod 1/19/2008........ does not work
236KB " 9/10/2007.........does work

OK, so after all the misunderstandings and whatever, this is what it boiled down to.

[jdobbs]

It's not a stretch that MY system shows an incompatibility with one version of aften yet is not necessarily out of whack or set up incorrectly.

When using inspect.exe, it will show the newest version of aften.exe included in the BD reb download to be correct. However archiving the one you included and using this version downloaded here, an older version yet labeled .008, the AC3 encoding works fine.

http://www.softpedia.com/dyn-postdownload.php?p=65101&t=4&i=1

267KB Date Mod 1/19/2008........ does not work
236KB " 9/10/2007.........does work

OK, so after all the misunderstandings and whatever, this is what it boiled down to. What kind of processor does your system use? Is it an exceptionally old one?

[manolito]

While I am not familiar with BD-RB at all, I do know some things about Aften (from Nick's AC3 plugin for DVD2SVCD).

Basically you had the choice between binaries compiled by Kurtnoise or by Wisodev. Wisodev's binaries mostly did not detect CPU capabilities correctly (maybe they did not even try), and this always caused crashes on my P3 Coppermine (MMX + SSE, but no SSE2).

Since Aften is not actively developped any more (according to JRuggles), my advice is to use the latest version from Kurtnoise, and this happens to be v. 0.0.8 from Sept 2007.


Cheers
manolito

[sonate]

What kind of processor does your system use? Is it an exceptionally old one?

Soon after I first brought up this issue, I asked the same question about system requirements. Not getting a response, I gave you all the hardware specs.

It is an Intel P4 HT 3.2 gb with 2 gb dual channel ram.
And that was more or less the same specs of 4 of the other systems I tried it on.
edited to add, If it helps, they were 478 pin Northwood and Prescott architecture.

The other system was a quad core intel 2 to 3 years old with the same failure.

Strange, now it works on all of them with the revised aften.exe

[jdobbs]

Soon after I first brought up this issue, I asked the same question about system requirements. Not getting a response, I gave you all the hardware specs.

It is an Intel P4 HT 3.2 gb with 2 gb dual channel ram.
And that was more or less the same specs of 4 of the other systems I tried it on.

The other system was a quad core intel with the same failure.

Strange, now it works on all of them with the revised aften.exe

True-to-form you can't answer a simple question without a commentary. I'll just let someone else help you. You are historically way too difficult to deal with and are keeping your reputation well intact.

[Ch3vr0n]

@Jdobbs: think i've found a minor interface bug. Reproducing is rather simple i think. Have DTS-E processing enabled, load a disc and double click on the disc title. The flag "edit mode" should now appear on the main window but the edit mode itself isnt activated (like it shouldn't). It's just that the message appears when it shouldn't, that's all. You can swap back & forth between full backup & edit mode, the "flag" stays displayed in both while it probably should only be displayed in the actual edit mode

[Sicilian]

Please forgive me if this issue has already been addressed.


The first title that had this problem was Fellowship of the Ring. What happens is that at some point the video freezes at a certain frame, but the audio continues. I checked the original video (ripped with AnyDVD), and it plays all the way through without freezing. I have tried full-disc, and movie only encodes, but the video freezes at the same frame every time. I figured it was a bad rip, so I borrowed a friends disc. The video freezes at exactly the same frame!

This has now been happening more frequently. Other titles with the same problem are Skyline, Transformers 3, Thor, Matrix, to a few off hand.

Please help!!!

[sonate]

True-to-form you can't answer a simple question without a commentary. I'll just let someone else help you. You are historically way too difficult to deal with and are keeping your reputation well intact.

I'm sorry for the commentary it was just an FYI. Is the reason because I have an exceptionally old processor? I'm not so sure it needs anyone's help since it works very well now. But I would like to make the suggestion to those who experience the same problem on a similar system to try the older version of Aften.exe

Sorry that our communication for whatever reason has to be so strained. Thank you anyway.