BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[AmigaFuture]

An update. I'm using BD-RB to convert some BD-RB made Alternative MKVs and converting the AC-3's to AAC's while keeping video intact. I'll report soon if those are have the same "choppy" sound soon with my LG player.

After reading the updated thread, this "bug?" may have been corrected for the next release.


With respect to Canada, it's pretty Awesome. They have an awesome band that's not in a hurry, though their name suggests differently, that makes brilliant music and lyrics.

[gonca]

I love Canada and [most of] its people.

I know what you mean.

[gonca]

Peter Ustinov used to say the Toronto was like NY City but run by the Swiss. Now he'd probably say it was "under new management" ;)

Talking about our mayor are you. Why should the US have all the political comedians? ;)

[gonca]

As I said, I'm really confident that the menus follow the BD standard. Nothing is impossible -- but I was very careful in the way they are structured. So if the text, editor, or the content has issues I'm not that surprised -- because there is a lot of new code there, but if something can't play it I strongly suspect the player.

Hardware player --- no problem
PD 11 + 13 --- no problem
TMT --- problem

Money is on the issue being in TMT

Sorry for the previous OTs

[gonca]

An update. I'm using BD-RB to convert some BD-RB made Alternative MKVs and converting the AC-3's to AAC's while keeping video intact. I'll report soon if those are have the same "choppy" sound soon with my LG player.

After reading the updated thread, this "bug?" may have been corrected for the next release.


With respect to Canada, it's pretty Awesome. They have an awesome band that's not in a hurry, though their name suggests differently, that makes brilliant music and lyrics.

Rush is a pretty decent rock band.

[RobertM]

Talking about our mayor are you. Why should the US have all the political comedians? ;)

Actually, I previously thought that it was a toss-up between your Mayor and our Mayor in the 'Most Embarrassing Canadian Mayor' contest (we're just a couple of hours down the 401 from you guys). But your guy is well in the lead now. Congrats!

Bit OT though, so I'll stop now. ;)

[Snarko]

Nothing changed there from previous versions. I think you may be missing something, but I'd need more information.

When using the new import/basic menu & authoring function to import various MakeMKV-created files from various DVDs (or, just the AnyDVD rip of the whole disc) and upsizing to 720p (to get around the 480p24p and AR limitations the Blu-ray specs have), it always uses Spline16Resize in the avs script, ignoring the setting in the .ini. Seems to happen regardless of IVTC, DGDecNV, etc.

[gonca]

When using the new import/basic menu & authoring function to import various MakeMKV-created files from various DVDs (or, just the AnyDVD rip of the whole disc) and upsizing to 720p (to get around the 480p24p and AR limitations the Blu-ray specs have), it always uses Spline16Resize in the avs script, ignoring the setting in the .ini. Seems to happen regardless of IVTC, DGDecNV, etc.

Presently doing a season of a show on DVD
Resizing to 1080
Output to BD
LanczosResize selected in INI and it is being used according to the avisynth script
post your ini

[AmigaFuture]

Rush is a pretty decent rock band.

They're not really a rock or progressive rock band, but pretty decent? No worries. I'm having fun with you. I don't care at all what RNR Hall Of Fame says.


Anyway, to BD-RB... Ahhh!! I nailed it! Importing something from an iPad (2) or iPhone (5) from any Mode other than Movie-Only Backup with the new Quick-Play results in an interesting audio "jerking". To get around it, I have to FIRST Select Movie-Only Backup and Alternately output with Intact Video and have audio converted to AC-3 in MKV.

Edit: It's the Importing causing it..not Quick-Play.

Workaround: Which bypasses the AAC to AC-3 from the Quick-Play Import. Once they're converted and in MKV container that way, select whatever mode other than Movie-Only Backup and it seems Quick-Play is handling the Imported files without the "jerky" sound AND the Playlist Playing and accepting Editing well. Standalone player..I haven't used PDID 12 for these tests.

I went back to 44.06 as well as the newest version (45.03) to check on the Importing feature. Hmm...I didn't test Import well enough before.

I hope this helps, JD.

[Kerry56]

Used four dvds to make a new blu ray compilation through the Quick Play import in version 45.03. The menu will not play in PowerDVD 12, WinDVD 11, TMT 5 or TMT 6.

The individual m2ts files play ok in most players, including VLC, but the Arcsoft players don't do well with them even on an individual basis. Playback is jerky with them.

[jdobbs]

Used four dvds to make a new blu ray compilation through the Quick Play import in version 45.03. The menu will not play in PowerDVD 12, WinDVD 11, TMT 5 or TMT 6.

The individual m2ts files play ok in most players, including VLC, but the Arcsoft players don't do well with them even on an individual basis. Playback is jerky with them. I'd start looking at settings etc. I've done a LOT of discs in testing and they all play fine.

[Kerry56]

Here is the log file:

[19:30:41] Importing DVD: BOURNE_TETRALOGY
- Processing DVD title [1 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [2 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [3 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [4 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[19:45:51] DVD import completed successfully.
----------------------
[11/12/13] BD Rebuilder v0.45.03 (beta)
[19:50:11] Source: BOURNE_TETRALOGY
- Input BD size: 17.82 GB
- Approximate total content: [07:57:10.718]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quick-Play Reauthoring mode enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), CRF
- Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:50:11] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:50:11] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 4)
- [19:50:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [19:53:23] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- [19:53:23] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:53:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [19:53:23] Multiplexing M2TS
- [19:54:34] Processing: VID_00002 (2 of 4)
- [19:54:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [19:57:41] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- [19:57:41] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:57:41] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [19:57:41] Multiplexing M2TS
- [19:58:38] Processing: VID_00003 (3 of 4)
- [19:58:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [20:01:34] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
- [20:01:34] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [20:01:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [20:01:34] Multiplexing M2TS
- [20:02:32] Processing: VID_00004 (4 of 4)
- [20:02:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [20:05:45] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
- [20:05:45] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [20:05:45] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [20:05:45] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:06:38]PHASE ONE complete
[20:06:38]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [20:06:38] Rebuilding BD file Structure
- [20:06:38] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[20:06:44] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:06:44] JOB: BOURNE_TETRALOGY finished.

There is no re-encoding going on, just re-authoring to blu ray and building the menu.

All of the various players on my computer can play commercial blu ray, and blu ray created by Adobe Encore, Easy BD Lite or DVD2BD Express with no issues. I've done this same compilation before, using AVStoDVD to build an oversized dvd, then authored to blu ray in DVD2BD, and that one works fine.

[Sharc]

Will deselecting an item in the Quick-Play menu editor only remove the menu button, or will it also exclude (remove) the corresponding video file(s) from the authoring process?

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
When I open a Quick-Play authored BD (ROM) in BD-RB via "Browse" I can go to the Menu Editor and make changes to the Quick menu.
When I now press "Save and Continue" it looks as if my changes became effective and I can proceed with "Backup" without a warning. Because the modified titles.inf cannot be written to the ROM (as I understand it the modified titles.inf is not saved to anywhere in this case?) I suggest that there should be an error message or a hint that one has to IMPORT the BD ROM in order to make any changes to the menu.
Maybe this is just too obvious or I have missed something, but if something can go wrong it will ....

[jdobbs]

Will deselecting an item in the Quick-Play menu editor only remove the menu button, or will it also exclude (remove) the corresponding video file(s) from the authoring process? It removes it from the authoring process completely.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
When I open a Quick-Play authored BD (ROM) in BD-RB via "Browse" I can go to the Menu Editor and make changes to the Quick menu.
When I now press "Save and Continue" it looks as if my changes became effective and I can proceed with "Backup" without a warning. Because the modified titles.inf cannot be written to the ROM (as I understand it the modified titles.inf is not saved to anywhere in this case?) I suggest that there should be an error message or a hint that one has to IMPORT the BD ROM in order to make any changes to the menu.
Maybe this is just too obvious or I have missed something, but if something can go wrong it will .... Because BD-RB can't write to the ROM the changes aren't saved. But they are kept in local memory and are used if you run the job before closing & reopening BD-RB. So if you edit, and then run immediately it should be ok.

I should probably give a warning, or possibly save the titles.inf file in the working folder until a new title is selected.

[jdobbs]

Here is the log file:

[19:30:41] Importing DVD: BOURNE_TETRALOGY
- Processing DVD title [1 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [2 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [3 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [4 of 4]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[19:45:51] DVD import completed successfully.
----------------------
[11/12/13] BD Rebuilder v0.45.03 (beta)
[19:50:11] Source: BOURNE_TETRALOGY
- Input BD size: 17.82 GB
- Approximate total content: [07:57:10.718]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quick-Play Reauthoring mode enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), CRF
- Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:50:11] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:50:11] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 4)
- [19:50:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [19:53:23] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- [19:53:23] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:53:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [19:53:23] Multiplexing M2TS
- [19:54:34] Processing: VID_00002 (2 of 4)
- [19:54:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [19:57:41] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- [19:57:41] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [19:57:41] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [19:57:41] Multiplexing M2TS
- [19:58:38] Processing: VID_00003 (3 of 4)
- [19:58:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [20:01:34] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
- [20:01:34] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [20:01:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [20:01:34] Multiplexing M2TS
- [20:02:32] Processing: VID_00004 (4 of 4)
- [20:02:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [20:05:45] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
- [20:05:45] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [20:05:45] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [20:05:45] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:06:38]PHASE ONE complete
[20:06:38]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [20:06:38] Rebuilding BD file Structure
- [20:06:38] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[20:06:44] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:06:44] JOB: BOURNE_TETRALOGY finished.

There is no re-encoding going on, just re-authoring to blu ray and building the menu.

All of the various players on my computer can play commercial blu ray, and blu ray created by Adobe Encore, Easy BD Lite or DVD2BD Express with no issues. I've done this same compilation before, using AVStoDVD to build an oversized dvd, then authored to blu ray in DVD2BD, and that one works fine. I've tested it in PowerDVD and four different brands of standalone players with no issues. Have you tried it on a standalone player? Software players just aren't a good test because they are so notorious for bugs. That's why I generally don't accept bug reports from software players. But, I do know the menu works with PowerDVD -- which is why I suggested that there may be something with your settings or the source. Can you run INSPECT and post the results?

One thing I know for sure is that the DVD source can't be MPEG-1 (because it isn't supported in BD). But MPEG-1 based DVDs are exceptionally rare -- and usually not commercial.

I'm not familiar with BOURNE_TETRALOGY. Is it just the BOURNE DVDs combined? If it's not too expensive I'll see if I can find it.

[Kerry56]

Bourne Tetralogy is my term for the four Bourne movies...The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy, The Bourne Ultimatum and The Bourne Legacy. You won't find the complete set sold commercially under that name.

All four movies are bog standard mpeg2/ac3. All of the original files play in any player you want to try them in. All were ripped using AnyDVD HD.

Here is the Inspect snapshot you wanted:
13853

I have not burned this to a disc to try in a stand alone player, but I use an HTPC rather than a blu ray player and getting access to one is a problem.

[jdobbs]

I have those on BD but now DVD. I don't want to have to buy all of them, but I'll pick up one or two of them and give it a try later today. If I'm luck I might find the older ones on the discount rack.

Did you try it more than once?

What happens when you try to play it? Nothing? Blank screen? Backdrop w/no titles? Titles w/no action?


@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

[Sharc]

Because BD-RB can't write to the ROM the changes aren't saved. But they are kept in local memory and are used if you run the job before closing & reopening BD-RB. So if you edit, and then run immediately it should be ok.
.....

Good to know, thanks. This is convenient.
Now it seems that the disk is getting fully reencoded even though it already fits the target and I only made changes to the Quick menu. I would assume that most of the .m2ts files could simply be copied (?). Is it because the files are no longer available in the WORKFILES folder?

[jdobbs]

Good to know, thanks. This is convenient.
Now it seems that the disk is getting fully reencoded even though it already fits the target and I only made changes to the Quick menu. I would assume that most of the .m2ts files could simply be copied (?). Is it because the files are no longer available in the WORKFILES folder? It's probably because it is multi-part and the one or more of the component files are referenced in another playlist.

That's something I have to work on.

[Sharc]

It's probably because it is multi-part and the one or more of the component files are referenced in another playlist.

That's something I have to work on.
I see. It is more complicated than I thought.
So for the time being when I see that it is getting re-encoded it is probably better to start from scratch, since the re-encoding of already encoded material will have a slightly negative impact on the final quality.

[Capsbackup]

I have not burned this to a disc to try in a stand alone player, but I use an HTPC rather than a blu ray player and getting access to one is a problem.

Unfortunately, HTPC and software players are not good options when playing back BD-RB created backups. :(
I like testing on software players before burning to disc, but using the quick play menu creation in BD-RB appears to not be very compatible for this for me too! :devil:

And I am not really interested in buying anymore software players! ;)

[jdobbs]

Unfortunately, HTPC and software players are not good options when playing back BD-RB created backups. :(
I like testing on software players before burning to disc, but using the quick play menu creation in BD-RB appears to not be very compatible for this for me too! :devil:

And I am not really interested in buying anymore software players! ;) My opinion is similar, but I would amend this to say "Unfortunately, HTPC and software players are not good options." and leave it at that. I could probably buy one of those packages and put workarounds into BD-RB to make it work with them... but I shouldn't have to.

If someone points out issues with a commercial standalone player, then I usually assume BD-RB has a problem.

[jdobbs]

I see. It is more complicated than I thought.
So for the time being when I see that it is getting re-encoded it is probably better to start from scratch, since the re-encoding of already encoded material will have a slightly negative impact on the final quality.I'm trying to figure out a way to scan for size across all references without adding an inordinate amount of time to the scan -- but that's difficult on sources that have a couple of hundred M2TS files that are referenced in a couple of hundred MPLSs. In the meantime BD-RB just says "Trying to investigate all these iterations is just too much work, the odds are good that I have to reencode -- so do it."

If you IMPORT rather than do a Quick-Play backup you'll never have cross referenced playlists -- but, you also lose multiple angles, language directed playlists, etc.

[Sharc]

@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?
Not with the menus as such (unless I messed something up with intermediate threshold changes).
However, I do experience random freeze during playback. It is not reproducible frame-accurate, and it depends on the playback sequence and switching sequence between chapters.
I suspected a bad burn, however it happens on 2 disks and I never had such effects before, so a bad burn seems a bit unlikely but I wouldn't totally exclude it.
I do my backups on BD9 rather than BD25, and I am not sure if my standalone (SONY BDP-S360) has issues in general with blu-ray structure with menus on BD9. I never had problems with Movie Only backups, and those few which I have done with "Movie and Menu" were normally ok with very few exceptions.
I need to do more tests, so just in case someone else has experienced occasional freezing as well ....

[jdobbs]

Not with the menus as such (unless I messed something up with intermediate threshold changes).
However, I do experience random freeze during playback. It is not reproducible frame-accurate, and it depends on the playback sequence and switching sequence between chapters.
I suspected a bad burn, however it happens on 2 disks and I never had such effects before, so a bad burn seems a bit unlikely but I wouldn't totally exclude it.
I do my backups on BD9 rather than BD25, and I am not sure if my standalone (SONY BDP-S360) has issues in general with blu-ray structure with menus on BD9. I never had problems with Movie Only backups, and those few which I have done with "Movie and Menu" were normally ok with very few exceptions.
I need to do more tests, so just in case someone else has experienced occasional freezing as well .... A random freeze during playback sounds more like media issues. Also, all muxing is done by TSMUXER (whether movie-only or full backup) and it does it exactly the same way in Quick-Play as it does with movie-only or full backup. So if there was an issue it wouldn't be related to Quick-Play or the menus.

My BDP-S360 does a pretty good job with BD-9 -- the only issue I remember having is with backups containing DTS Express on secondary tracks.

Hmm... I just remembered something though. When I use an original BD disc's video for a menu backdrop, I keep it intact. That could be an issue for a BD-5/9 because of the bitrate... I'd better look at that.

[Sharc]

A random freeze during playback sounds more like media issues. Also, all muxing is done by TSMUXER (whether movie-only or full backup) and it does it exactly the same way in Quick-Play as it does with movie-only or full backup. So if there was an issue it wouldn't be related to Quick-Play or the menus.

My BDP-S360 does a pretty good job with BD-9 -- the only issue I remember having is with backups containing DTS Express on secondary tracks.
My thoughts. The medium is definitely a candidate, or burner or reader (standalone) approaching end of life.
Good to know that S360 is fine with BD-9.

[setarip_old]

Using BD-RB v.0.44.16.

Trying to make a BD9 (including only English streams) of Disc 1 of "Man of Steel". Smallest size I'm able to create is 10.8Gb.

Are there any hidden or other default settings that need to be selected or deselected to allow for further compression?

[Kerry56]

I have those on BD but now DVD. I don't want to have to buy all of them, but I'll pick up one or two of them and give it a try later today. If I'm luck I might find the older ones on the discount rack.

Did you try it more than once?

What happens when you try to play it? Nothing? Blank screen? Backdrop w/no titles? Titles w/no action?


@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

The blu ray movie output using the Quick play menu does different things in different software players. In the Arcsoft programs, the players try to start but hang up, and I have to use Ctl Alt Del to shut them down. There is no sign of the menu, just a blank screen. WinDVD and PowerDVD simply say that it is incompatible media.

I have tried recompiling it, but no change in the way the software players work with it. I also tried making an ISO with ImgBurn and mounting that, but again, there is no difference in the way the players react.

I'll try again using blu ray sources and see if there are any differences in the behavior of the software players.

[Sharc]

.....
Hmm... I just remembered something though. When I use an original BD disc's video for a menu backdrop, I keep it intact. That could be an issue for a BD-5/9 because of the bitrate... I'd better look at that.
Good point indeed!
I just checked the bitrate of the menu video with DGIndexNV: it indicates a Bitrate(max) of 30.873Mbps, and an average of 18.144 Mbps. This looks indeed too high for BD5/9. Means probably that the menu video has to be compressed.

Actually the freezing in my case depends from where during the menu playback I switch to the movie. Wouldn't this be an indication of a bitrate or buffer problem?

[g00g]

As my backup order is always the same (first Movie Only backup von DVD-RB and afterwards Import to BD-RB) I checked all previous done Imports to BD-RB and all backups are OK but the latest ones (starts with BD-RB Version 0.44.17).

Tested BD-RB Version 0.45.03 with several DVDs. Actually any video- and audio-stream of the tested DVDs has been in sync but one. The only difference I could figure out is, that the one not working has primary and secondary subtitles and a primary subtitle is activated at start.

[AmigaFuture]

@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

All of my tests, so far, have shown the Quick-Play menu on my LG BD590 fine. I've not done enough to possibly get more than 1 page, but that's coming.

[jdobbs]

Using BD-RB v.0.44.16.

Trying to make a BD9 (including only English streams) of Disc 1 of "Man of Steel". Smallest size I'm able to create is 10.8Gb.

Are there any hidden or other default settings that need to be selected or deselected to allow for further compression? Is it possible the audio is the limiting factor? There really shouldn't be any other limitation.

Why v0.44.16 rather than a current version?

[jdobbs]

All of my tests, so far, have shown the Quick-Play menu on my LG BD590 fine. I've not done enough to possibly get more than 1 page, but that's coming.It never does more than 1 page. It will do up to 64 items (all on one page). If it gets higher than than that, it skips the menu. I figured that even if the items only average 15 minutes long, 64 items would still represent 16 hours of video.

At some point in the future I plan to add multi-page capability along with the use of selectable graphic button images rather than text.

[AmigaFuture]

@ JDobbs

Thank you for that info. I won't have BD-RB import enough to cause that then. Also, nice to know about future plans.

Merely curious, I know you're really focused on the Quick-Play displaying/functioning well.. So I don't expect any real focus, these days, on my MOV Import posts. Just want to know if you saw them..? Thank you.

[Sharc]

Using BD-RB v.0.44.16.

Trying to make a BD9 (including only English streams) of Disc 1 of "Man of Steel". Smallest size I'm able to create is 10.8Gb.

Are there any hidden or other default settings that need to be selected or deselected to allow for further compression?
I did MAN OF STEEL on BD9 without problems as Movie Only with 2 x AC3/640 + 2 x SUP. I resized to 1440x1080, High Quality (Default), One Pass CRF, and the resulting crf became 21.9.

[jdobbs]

@ JDobbs

Thank you for that info. I won't have BD-RB import enough to cause that then. Also, nice to know about future plans.

Merely curious, I know you're really focused on the Quick-Play displaying/functioning well.. So I don't expect any real focus, these days, on my MOV Import posts. Just want to know if you saw them..? Thank you. Yes, I saw it. What is the source of those MOV files? I've done quite a few videos that I recorded on my iPhone in testing and I didn't see anything odd about the result. The audio is PCM from the source -- but that should convert fine to AC3. If it is 44.1K sampled it needs to be converted to 48K samples -- but that's no big deal.

As for the Quicktime player -- ugghh, I couldn't imagine a poorer performing player for the PC. I don't think I've ever used it without stutter or problems of some type.

Maybe you could forward a short example that has issues?

[Kerry56]

More testing done. Thinking there might be some incompatibilities between PowerDVD 12 and Windows 8.1, I downloaded the trial version of PowerDVD 13. The Bourne blu ray movie works in this player as it should, with the first play being the menu. All the titles seem to work, as well as the chapters.

I made a second test movie, this time making a 50gb blu ray and using the movies Blade Runner and Moon as input. The originals are blu ray source. This second movie plays in both Arcsoft TMT 5 and PowerDVD 13, but the menu doesn't show up. It simply starts with the first title in both those players. It is possible to select the other title from within TMT 5, and it is possible to access the menu in PowerDVD 13 once it starts playing the first title.

So playback in the major software players is a bit hit or miss.

[gonca]

I have those on BD but now DVD. I don't want to have to buy all of them, but I'll pick up one or two of them and give it a try later today. If I'm luck I might find the older ones on the discount rack.

Did you try it more than once?

What happens when you try to play it? Nothing? Blank screen? Backdrop w/no titles? Titles w/no action?


@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

I have 3 out 4 on DVD as well. If you want I can run a test encode for you. Just tell me what settings,or a copy of an ini, to use

[AmigaFuture]

Yes, I saw it. What is the source of those MOV files? I've done quite a few videos that I recorded on my iPhone in testing and I didn't see anything odd about the result. The audio is PCM from the source -- but that should convert fine to AC3. If it is 44.1K sampled it needs to be converted to 48K samples -- but that's no big deal.

As for the Quicktime player -- ugghh, I couldn't imagine a poorer performing player for the PC. I don't think I've ever used it without stutter or problems of some type.

Maybe you could forward a short example that has issues?

Source's are iPad 2; Windows Media Player Classic shows this:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 29.97fps 10418kbps [Video]
Audio: AAC 44100Hz mono 63kbps [Audio]

For one of the files. The video and audio play well with my LG Player when burned to a BD-RE DL as a data disk or USB flash drive. AFTER each file file has been converted to MKV from MOV with BD-RB's Alternate Output with AC-3.

When Importing the MKV's the audio plays as should with my LG player. When Imported (before converting to MKV) from MOV and burned, there's an interesting audio "stutter" effect. I'll get some video ready for you and email...

I don't use QuickTime as a Player or editor (not even close to my preferred choice). All QuickTime extensions are assigned to Media Player Classic: Home Cinema (64-bit). Or I use VLC. I have QuickTime installed for use with iTunes an M4V - MP4 files for use with iDevices, you get the idea.

[setarip_old]

@Sharc

Thanks for your response, however, (Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been) although I too had no problem making a movie only BD9 of "The Man of Steel", the problem arose when trying to make a FULL DISC copy.

Any thoughts and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated ;>}

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs Why v0.44.16 rather than a current version?I've been occupied with personal matters and have not been able to devote much time to my favorite hobby, BD-RB ;>}


Is it possible the audio is the limiting factor? Yes - What can I do to adjust the audio, while using v.0.44.16?

[jdobbs]

More testing done. Thinking there might be some incompatibilities between PowerDVD 12 and Windows 8.1, I downloaded the trial version of PowerDVD 13. The Bourne blu ray movie works in this player as it should, with the first play being the menu. All the titles seem to work, as well as the chapters.

I made a second test movie, this time making a 50gb blu ray and using the movies Blade Runner and Moon as input. The originals are blu ray source. This second movie plays in both Arcsoft TMT 5 and PowerDVD 13, but the menu doesn't show up. It simply starts with the first title in both those players. It is possible to select the other title from within TMT 5, and it is possible to access the menu in PowerDVD 13 once it starts playing the first title.

So playback in the major software players is a bit hit or miss. If there is only one title there will be no menu? If there are fewer than 3 titles it starts on the first title and you have to choose MENU from the remote to see it (although that's changing in the next release).

[Sharc]

Yes - What can I do to adjust the audio, while using v.0.44.16?
Did you choose to re-encode the audio track to AC3 (448kbps), or did you leave the audio intact?

[andref4]

@ jdobbs

found a bug by creating 3d (mkv).

if automatically crop black borders is enabled, enconding wont start and process stops.
if automatically crop black borders is disabled, encoding process works fine.

would be nice if you can fix this in upcoming bd rebuilder version.

many thx and kind regards from germany
andref4

[jdobbs]

Source's are iPad 2; Windows Media Player Classic shows this:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 29.97fps 10418kbps [Video]
Audio: AAC 44100Hz mono 63kbps [Audio]

For one of the files. The video and audio play well with my LG Player when burned to a BD-RE DL as a data disk or USB flash drive. AFTER each file file has been converted to MKV from MOV with BD-RB's Alternate Output with AC-3.

When Importing the MKV's the audio plays as should with my LG player. When Imported (before converting to MKV) from MOV and burned, there's an interesting audio "stutter" effect. I'll get some video ready for you and email...

I don't use QuickTime as a Player or editor (not even close to my preferred choice). All QuickTime extensions are assigned to Media Player Classic: Home Cinema (64-bit). Or I use VLC. I have QuickTime installed for use with iTunes an M4V - MP4 files for use with iDevices, you get the idea. It turns out that the issue exists because the video was 1280x720 @ 29.97fps -- which is an illegal BD format. During video imports BD-RB is supposed to catch that kind of thing and make adjustments. It missed that one. I've added code so that the input is resized (during reencode) to 1920x1080@29.97 (which is a legal format). The other option would have been to change the frame rate to 59.94fps -- but I think that would be a less optimal solution.

[jdobbs]

@ jdobbs

found a bug by creating 3d (mkv).

if automatically crop black borders is enabled, enconding wont start and process stops.
if automatically crop black borders is disabled, encoding process works fine.

would be nice if you can fix this in upcoming bd rebuilder version.

many thx and kind regards from germany
andref4I tested it. There's really nothing I can do other than preventing the use of autocropping with 3D. The AutoCrop function causes an access violation when the source is 3D. I have no idea why, but I suspect it is related to DirectshowMVCSource() -- since I know it can generate that same error when its path doesn't contain a certain character sequence. Both DirectshowMVCSource() and AutoCrop() are developed by a 3d party.

You may be able to do the crop manually with a filter. But it gets complicated keeping the aspect ratio right, since ALTERNATE output is set to a fixed height & width based on the ALTERNATE.TXT settings. It's not impossible, but you'd need to create a custom output format (actually you'd have to do that even if AutoCrop worked).

[HWK]

I tested it. There's really nothing I can do other than preventing the use of autocropping with 3D. The AutoCrop function causes an access violation when the source is 3D. I have no idea why, but I suspect it is related to DirectshowMVCSource() -- since I know it can generate that same error when its path doesn't contain a certain character sequence. Both DirectshowMVCSource() and AutoCrop() are developed by a 3d party.

You may be able to do the crop manually with a filter. But it gets complicated keeping the aspect ratio right, since ALTERNATE output is set to a fixed height & width based on the ALTERNATE.TXT settings. It's not impossible, but you'd need to create a custom output format (actually you'd have to do that even if AutoCrop worked).

Just my two cents, I have used directshowmvcsource with autocrop in past and it didn't cause any problem or lead to unexpected behavior for me. However I created monoscopic frame for further processing.

[setarip_old]

@Sharc Did you choose to re-encode the audio track to AC3 (448kbps), or did you leave the audio intact?I did NOT choose to re-encode the audio track to .AC3 - Because, if I remember correctly, if making a BD9, BD-RB AUTOMATICALLY re-encodes HD audio to .AC3 (640kbps)...