BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[AmigaFuture]

I have it, but have no reason to do anything with the content.

One does not IVTC and de-interlace at the same time. It is one or the other. If you de-interlace, you can't IVTC and if you IVTC, there is nothing to de-interlace.

I got it without the repeat. I thought that to be so. :-)

UPDATE: I took the first chapter of the pilot and ran it through my script to IVTC it and recode to H.264 (720x480p23.976 16:9). I used 4Mbps, 2-pass. The result looked really good, considering the 6Mbps MPEG-2 source.

I did have an issue in that the encoder doesn't seem to like 480i video (MPEG-2 or H.264), as it results in a green bar at the bottom of the image. But, as a test, I resized the video to 1020x1080 before recoding and the same green bar is there. The upscaled video looked damn good, again considering the source. So, it isn't the encoder, but the filter that does the IVTC work. Yep, it was the AVS filter set that I used. I changed to a different one and all was well.

Bottom line, I had no trouble doing IVTC to 23.976 and recoding to H.264.

I'm not using a special script, but rather the normal stuff from BD-RB. From ripped DVD it's being imported as 16:9 which it should be. But the PSEUDO file created after import plays choppy. I haven't looked into why yet.
Once processed by way of High Speed BD25 rerender, the resolution remains but the IVTC leaves some clues that it wasn't completely done. I can see remaining effects in the pipes above the door as the Camera moves around the people at the table. Then, later 1 hour and 21 minutes in through the next minute, I can see more effects on the wings of the ship. These are some sample of not being "smooth". I agree that it LOOKS pretty good, and I know I'm being a bit picky..haha! But there should be a way to make a totally clean video, correct?
When I use the option to upscale to 1280x720 it looks very good, but also still leaves some effects.


When I use VideoReDo (TVSuite) 5.3.80.....and join the VOBs from IFO and save (MPG) without editing, but adjust the Display to 720x480 and 16:9, the PSEUDO BD file's resolution is kept after import . When I process it as a BD25 with High Speed 2 pass, it's fitted into a 1920x1080 (640:297) 23.976fps display. With same IVTC results. Hmmm... Upscaling is not enabled.

[MrVideo]

Once processed by way of High Speed BD25 rerender, the resolution remains but the IVTC leaves some clues that it wasn't completely done. I can see remaining effects in the pipes above the door as the Camera moves around the people at the table.
Yes, I saw some of that as well. You aren't going to be able to fix that, as it looks like issues with the original encoding. This is one of those that use pulldown flags. But, it seems that the 23.976 video that is on the disc has issues. When I run it through VideoReDo, the pulldown flags are removed and we are left with 2:3 pulldown interlaced video. When that is IVTC'd, the issues are still there.

[MrVideo]

When I use VideoReDo (TVSuite) 5.3.80.....and join the VOBs from IFO and save (MPG) without editing, but adjust the Display to 720x480 and 16:9, the PSEUDO BD file's resolution is kept after import .
BTW, you don't join the VOBs with VRD. You select the title and then run the QuickStreamFix option and output to your wrapper of choice. If you go to MKV, you'll get all of the chapter marks, 720x480 and 16:9.

[AmigaFuture]

Yes, I saw some of that as well. You aren't going to be able to fix that, as it looks like issues with the original encoding. This is one of those that use pulldown flags. But, it seems that the 23.976 video that is on the disc has issues. When I run it through VideoReDo, the pulldown flags are removed and we are left with 2:3 pulldown interlaced video. When that is IVTC'd, the issues are still there.

I wasn't sure exactly what was doing on. I'm still having challenges understanding Interlaced and hard interlaced but this reply makes sense to me.

BTW, you don't join the VOBs with VRD. You select the title and then run the QuickStreamFix option and output to your wrapper of choice. If you go to MKV, you'll get all of the chapter marks, 720x480 and 16:9.

You are able to select just VOBs, but correct that if you drag the IFO file onto it then it'll present a list to pick from. You don't "have" to do a QuickSream Fix. I've been playing around with more ideas than I've typed attempting to get a greater result.

I'm a bit anal (watch it, Lathe!!!! Muhaha!) when it comes to video. I've come across some 480i's like from the BDs of "Back to the Future" where I have to just accept "interlacing is part of it..and it won't look any better if you continue to mess with it" so if I leave the Interlace alone and just let it rerender it looks close to what the original is.
I think it was you that I typed, something about just let the T.V. or the player handle it. That's been challenging for ME to accept but I'm doing...in some cases.

Agreed about MKV. I love chapters. I do appreciate that MKV allows a lot of stuff to be retained so that processors like BD-RB is able to process them well; most of the time. I will note that HandBrake, if you leave all filters off and change the framerate to Peak Framerate and Framerate(FPS) you can get an alllllmost totally clean video. Every once in a while some "interlaced" is left. Which is currently more clean than what BD-RB does. But, eh... I much prefer the quality of BD-RB.

Anyway, I agree about the Source not being the best. I know I'm nuts, miuh-muh-ha-ha-haha, but it's good to know someone else has noticed it all.

For the last bit of fun, I'll check the MKV output from VRD. Otherwise I'm done with this project. Glad to know it's not a BUG with all the hidden options I was checking.

[MrVideo]

I wasn't sure exactly what was doing on. I'm still having challenges understanding Interlaced and hard interlaced but this reply makes sense to me.[quote]
Interlaced and hard interlaced get misused a lot. Where I come from, i.e., years of dealing with video, there are only two forms: interlaced and progressive. If the video has two fields, it is interlaced, pure and simple. What screws up people is the content of those fields. When 24 fps (23.976) progressive is converted to 29.97 interlaced video, it is either 2:3 pulldown or repeat frame. Call it hard interlaced, or whatever, but interlaced is interlaced. What blurs things is man DVD videos will contain progressive video, but that can't be placed on the old interlaced TVs. So the video is flagged with pulldown flags so that when the DVD player outputs the video over the analog outputs, it is 2:3 pulldown interlaced. It is very possible that the newer Blu-ray players will keep the 23.976 frame rate when playing the video over the HDMI outputs. No need to interlace it, since the monitor must be able to play 23.976 480p video. It can be enough to make your hair turn grey. Oh wait... mine is. :D

[quote]You are able to select just VOBs, but correct that if you drag the IFO file onto it then it'll present a list to pick from. You don't "have" to do a QuickSream Fix.
Ah, this is where you are making more work for yourself. Under the main VRD menu there is the option to select a title from a DVD. That will show you all the titles on the DVD and the length of each one. In this case, the first 1.5 hr title is the pilot. You then do the default QSF on the title. I've run into trouble if you don't. When it is done, you open the result in VRD and there is the complete pilot with chapters. I believe that you'll even get chapters with TS output, if you have VRD configured to create chapter output files.

If you step through the video, you will notice that VRD is skipping frame numbers and that the output looks like it is progressive. That is because VRD is honoring the pulldown flags and displaying the video as though it were progressive (which it really is). But, if you recode it within VRD, you'll get 29.97fps interlaced video. If you step through that, you'll see the 2:3 pulldown pattern.

So, if you use the VRD main menu option to extract a title from a DVD, you should then be able to present that MKV file to BDRB. BDRB should then be able to handle the video correctly.

I do not know what your ultimate goal is.

[Lathe]

I do not know what your ultimate goal is.

To rule the world, obviously... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[jdobbs]

I've been playing around with BD Rebuilder and importing MKV files I've created myself with MakeMKV from my various discs. I've been trying some movie only MKVs, but am not having much success. Here's an example:

[12/26/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.25
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 60.33GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[12/26/17] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[19:16:59] Importing MKV: ELF
- Preparing MKV for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[21:02:30]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
----------------------

There isn't much to go on in the log. Any ideas as to what I can check or try? Thanks!If it's not too large, maybe you can send me the MKV and I can see what's going on.

[jdobbs]

You folks with iVTC issues, there are a couple different ways to do iVTC... generally if you aren't satisfied with the result, try changing IVTC_METHOD (see HIDDENOPTS). Sometimes one method works better than the other.

[AmigaFuture]

To rule the world, obviously... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

Nuhhaaah--haaaahhaaaa.., but Microsoft, Apple and Samsung/Google do.

@ JD

I've been playing around more with IVTC_METHOD recently...to understand it better. Appreciate the tip though. I _was_ still under the impression than Deinterlace and iVTC could both be used at the same time. Silly me.

They probably Can, if the decoder does iVTC first and THEN deinterlace and then compressed..?? Again, I'm _still_ learning.

@ MrVideo

Okay, I think I understand..now that 3:2 pulldown is Interlaced in this episode. Once you get the interlaced out of the way, then use iVTC. Hmm..I'll check that. It means rerendering it twice, but I'll check the results.
I understand, better, perhaps now. I'll mess around some more. That description of "hard interlace" makes more sense to me than other stuff that's more complicated that I've read.

My objective (Lathe...hahaha) is to combine all the Stargate SG-1 DVDs into Seasonal BDs and have them be totally progressive or as close as possible. OR...just have them look GOOD so a family member is able to watch them from a list. Also including Subtitles from DVD's CC.

[MrVideo]

I _was_ still under the impression than Deinterlace and iVTC could both be used at the same time. Silly me.

They probably Can, if the decoder does iVTC first and THEN deinterlace and then compressed..??
No, they can't. As previously posted, with 2:3 video (480i or 1080i), you need to IVTC it so that the 2:3 pulldown is removed, converting the interlaced 29.97 video to progressive 23.976 video. The IVTC process ends up removing the interlacing by default.

If you de-interlace 2:3 pulldown interlaced video, you still end up with 29.97 video, but the 2:3 pulldown is destroyed in the process. Therefore there is nothing to IVTC.

IMHO, de-interlacing should only be used on video that is sourced from a video camera. Many people do not like the staircase/combing effect caused by rapid motion, as in sports. But, de-interlacing said video results in spatial time being lowered from 59.94 fields/sec to 29.97 frames/sec. But, that is a whole separate discussion.
Okay, I think I understand..now that 3:2 pulldown is Interlaced in this episode. Once you get the interlaced out of the way, then use iVTC.
Nope, see above about the IVTC process.

[Thor263]

Thor263
Try running your MKV thru MKVToolNIX and then try to import the result

Ooo...I forgot about trying that. MKVToolNIX did appear to make some changes as the file size was a bit smaller, but it still doesn't work with Rebuilder.

[Thor263]

If it's not too large, maybe you can send me the MKV and I can see what's going on.

Well...it's about 18GB. I think I've got a way to share it though...I'll let you know.

[jdobbs]

Well...it's about 18GB. I think I've got a way to share it though...I'll let you know.Yeah... that's probably too big.

[Lathe]

Yeah... that's probably too big.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...

[Ch3vr0n]

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

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[Lathe]

Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

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Okay, okay... don't rub it in... :o

So ONE day I hung around the institute for the Blind... Big deal...

[gonca]

Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk

Don't you mean he would be down a nickle

[Lathe]

Don't you mean he would be down a nickle

All right, all right...!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Suspicious Cat.gif

[gonca]

All right, all right...!

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/Suspicious Cat.gif

Let me guess
The cat is neutered
That's why he looks pi$$ed

[gonca]

Thor263
Try remuxing into a mkv with the video and audio only to test
Try to import this

[AmigaFuture]

No, they can't. As previously posted, with 2:3 video (480i or 1080i), you need to IVTC it so that the 2:3 pulldown is removed, converting the interlaced 29.97 video to progressive 23.976 video. The IVTC process ends up removing the interlacing by default.

Yeah, I got it... I was still thinking while typing.

If you de-interlace 2:3 pulldown interlaced video, you still end up with 29.97 video, but the 2:3 pulldown is destroyed in the process. Therefore there is nothing to IVTC.

Yup. Okay. I was figuring that as well in my last post. VRD changes flags, and doing that is better than destroying the pulldown data. Then I considered that JDobbs is already well aware of all of this stuff, so ~IF~ iVTC and then deinterlace could be done at the same time, or visa versa,, he'd already have BD-RB doing it. So.. Yeah, I get it. One or the other. That now is cemented. :-D

IMHO, de-interlacing should only be used on video that is sourced from a video camera. Many people do not like the staircase/combing effect caused by rapid motion, as in sports. But, de-interlacing said video results in spatial time being lowered from 59.94 fields/sec to 29.97 frames/sec. But, that is a whole separate discussion.

I've read and heard others type and say the same thing about sources that ~know~ what's happening.

IVTC_METHOD=0 causes the green lines with this video and not changing any other deinterlacing settings (default). I removed METHOD from my settings and replaced with IVTC_TELECIDE=0 and that did a great job! There are some "combed" frames but, and seem to be right at the scene change places..and 1 frame that goes by very qickly, so not a big deal. Looks really good at the start of the video and where the ship is and other spots, all smooth. Everything seems smooth except for those single frames. Best output so far...and I've noticed.

I'm still checking.

[AmigaFuture]

Then you'd have a massive 1 nickel. :-D

NICE!! Haw, haw!!

[AmigaFuture]

Let me guess
The cat is neutered
That's why he looks pi$$ed

Where I'm from that's called breaking it. We don't soften it with "neutered", like problems are still problems not issues. :)

[AmigaFuture]

MrVideo & JD:

IVTC_480i=1 is doing a great so far but it still leaves some repeat frames. IVTC_TELECIDE=0 does a great job also, but leaves some "combed" frames. Frames with some lines in them. If IVTC_480i and IVTC_TELECIDE would work together, then it would be a great match probably. :-)

I use Media Player Classic: Home Cinema x64 for almost all playback desires, including .m2ts.. With Space (Pause) and CTRL+Right/Left Arrows you get great stepping through frames.

[Lathe]

Let me guess
The cat is neutered
That's why he looks pi$$ed

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[MrVideo]

IVTC_480i=1 is doing a great so far but it still leaves some repeat frames. IVTC_TELECIDE=0 does a great job also, but leaves some "combed" frames.
I do not know what AVISynth filters jdobbs uses, so I can't comment on the results.

[Thor263]

Thor263
Try remuxing into a mkv with the video and audio only to test
Try to import this

Thanks for the suggestion -- I remuxed with just the video and audio but unfortunately it errors out.

I then remembered that MakeMKV gives the option to not select the core audio with TrueHD when making the MKV and that's what I had done with Elf. Wondering if that was the problem, I reran MakeMKV on another movie (Wonder Woman) this time keeping the core DD audio with TrueHD audio. But importing that MKV into Rebuilder still errors out in the same way. Hmm...has me stumped.

Wonder Woman Mediainfo:
General
Unique ID : 94179604944481923328649044234372096176 (0x46DA55068ECAB6181051CC82FD43A0B0)
Complete name : /Volumes/500GB/Rip/Wonder Woman.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 25.4 GiB
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.8 Mb/s
Movie name : Wonder Woman
Encoded date : UTC 2017-12-29 01:18:03
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.10.8 darwin(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.10.8 (1.3.5/1.4.7) darwin(x64-release)
Original source medium : Blu-ray

Video
ID : 1
ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 30.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.421
Stream size : 20.7 GiB (81%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : Atmos / TrueHD
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 279 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 7 509 kb/s
Channel(s) : Object Based / 8 channels
Channel positions : Object Based / Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : / 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 4.22 GiB (17%)
Title : Surround 7.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 453 MiB (2%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 4
ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 31.4 kb/s
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Stream size : 31.5 MiB (0%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
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Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 22.7 kb/s
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Stream size : 22.8 MiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

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Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 25.9 kb/s
Count of elements : 3174
Stream size : 26.0 MiB (0%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #4
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Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 27.1 kb/s
Count of elements : 3200
Stream size : 27.2 MiB (0%)
Language : Portuguese
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #5
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Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
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Stream size : 459 KiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #6
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Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
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Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #7
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Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
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Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 01
00:10:26.917 : en:Chapter 02
00:23:12.557 : en:Chapter 03
00:33:10.738 : en:Chapter 04
00:43:55.132 : en:Chapter 05
00:54:25.553 : en:Chapter 06
01:07:38.262 : en:Chapter 07
01:22:30.195 : en:Chapter 08
01:34:02.845 : en:Chapter 09
01:45:37.998 : en:Chapter 10
01:57:43.765 : en:Chapter 11
02:10:41.416 : en:Chapter 12

[Lathe]

Thanks for the suggestion -- I remuxed with just the video and audio but unfortunately it errors out.

I then remembered that MakeMKV gives the option to not select the core audio with TrueHD when making the MKV and that's what I had done with Elf. Wondering if that was the problem, I reran MakeMKV on another movie (Wonder Woman) this time keeping the core DD audio with TrueHD audio. But importing that MKV into Rebuilder still errors out in the same way. Hmm...has me stumped.

Wonder Woman Mediainfo:
General
Unique ID : 94179604944481923328649044234372096176 (0x46DA55068ECAB6181051CC82FD43A0B0)
Complete name : /Volumes/500GB/Rip/Wonder Woman.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 25.4 GiB
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.8 Mb/s
Movie name : Wonder Woman
Encoded date : UTC 2017-12-29 01:18:03
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.10.8 darwin(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.10.8 (1.3.5/1.4.7) darwin(x64-release)
Original source medium : Blu-ray

Video
ID : 1
ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 30.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.421
Stream size : 20.7 GiB (81%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : Atmos / TrueHD
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 279 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 7 509 kb/s
Channel(s) : Object Based / 8 channels
Channel positions : Object Based / Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : / 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 4.22 GiB (17%)
Title : Surround 7.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2 h 21 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 453 MiB (2%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
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ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
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Bit rate : 31.4 kb/s
Count of elements : 3654
Stream size : 31.5 MiB (0%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
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Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate : 22.7 kb/s
Count of elements : 2924
Stream size : 22.8 MiB (0%)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
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Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
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Bit rate : 25.9 kb/s
Count of elements : 3174
Stream size : 26.0 MiB (0%)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #4
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I don't know if this is the issue, but remember that TrueHD streams that have been muxed into an MKV file LACK the core, thus TSMuxer's inability to handle it. ANY MKV that has a TrueHD audio stream needs the core put back in. Using Eac3to or with a nice GUI like I use UsEac3to, just drop the MKV file in, select the 'True' stream. For output, select the TrueHD+AC3 output and 'Run CMD Line' and it will put the AC3 core back in. Then take THAT rendered audio file and mux it with the video and remove the 'empty' original TrueHD stream, and you should be fine then importing it into BDRB.

[AmigaFuture]

"Then take THAT rendered audio file..." -- That doesn't come across as rerendered. That comes across as rejoined. Rerendering is a reconstruction. ;-)

[Lathe]

"Then take THAT rendered audio file..." -- That doesn't come across as rerendered. That comes across as rejoined. Rerendering is a reconstruction. ;-)

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[Thor263]

I don't know if this is the issue, but remember that TrueHD streams that have been muxed into an MKV file LACK the core, thus TSMuxer's inability to handle it. ANY MKV that has a TrueHD audio stream needs the core put back in. Using Eac3to or with a nice GUI like I use UsEac3to, just drop the MKV file in, select the 'True' stream. For output, select the TrueHD+AC3 output and 'Run CMD Line' and it will put the AC3 core back in. Then take THAT rendered audio file and mux it with the video and remove the 'empty' original TrueHD stream, and you should be fine then importing it into BDRB.

Thanks! One question -- what are you using to remux the new TrueHD+AC3 stream back in? Looks like MKVToolnix breaks it apart again.

[Lathe]

Thanks! One question -- what are you using to remux the new TrueHD+AC3 stream back in? Looks like MKVToolnix breaks it apart again.

Oh, sorry, I made a brief reference to it, but I didn't state it clearly. You use TSMuxer to remux the new TrueHD+AC3 stream back with the video stream. You would choose the output of TSMuxer to be BDMV folder, which will result in the standard BDMV / CERT folders, which you can import into BDRB normally.

[Blurayhd]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?

[Lathe]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?

If you are looking for a real 'Tool', why don't you check with gonca...?

[AmigaFuture]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?

Other than your eyes (maybe a magnifier?) and the kind of light being used as well as cleaning solution if needed... BD ripper and BD-RB for rerendering will inform you if you have a bad rip; which doesn't mean the BD is defective--just not read correctly. Possible Lens in Optical Drive needs to be cleaned. If either or both fail then possible. Do you have challenges or problems seeing scratches or scuffs on BDs? I hardly ever use sarcasm, and none is used here. :D

[Blurayhd]

If you are looking for a real 'Tool', why don't you check with gonca...?

@amigafuture (thank you) and dear lathe what is gonca? I can´t find...

[gonca]

You can use eac3to to check the mpls files on the disk. It will report any issues
P.S.
Just ignore Lathe, he is just our special mascot :devil:

[AmigaFuture]

Possible BD-RB Bug? Using Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1 after ripped, and not using any processing tools like VideoReDo, importing DVD and selecting the first selection (Pilot).

[12:53:56] Importing DVD: STARGATE_SG-1_-_SEASON_1_DVD_1
- Processing DVD title [1 of 3 ]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [2 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Processing DVD title [3 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
[12:55:56] DVD import completed successfully.

Going into the Stream directory and playing M2TS it plays a little jerky. It's at 29.97ftps and there wasn't any rerendering done so..I'm confused as to why. I burn it to BD-RE..it plays the same way.

When I click Backup it's making a change. From imported:
"Video: MPEG2 Video 720x480 (16:9) 29.97fps [V: mpeg2 main, yuv420p, 720x480]"...

to rerendered:

"Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 (20:11) 23.976fps [V: h264 main L4.1, yuv420p, 720x480]".

Hmm..the only thing I'm seeing that would cause the imported to be "jerky" and the rerendered not be is (16:9) and (20:11)..as well as the frame rates and other stuff removed. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of guessing. But since the DVD plays without actual noticing of any "jerky" stuff...that's why I'm wondering about a bug.

[Blurayhd]

You can use eac3to to check the mpls files on the disk. It will report any issues
P.S.
Just ignore Lathe, he is just our special mascot :devil:

Thank you my dear but and please excuse me but I just don´t know how to do that with eac3to?

I mean, could you maybe how to check the Bluray disc with eac3to?

I´m really appreciat it if you can help me

[gonca]

Browse to the root of the mounted ISO or extracted movie folder, and run:
eac3to
in a CMD prompt

Then run
eac3to #) [where # is the playlist number from step 1]
this will give details about the file

Now run
eac3to.exe" "G:" 1) 1: "W:\TEMP\Chapters_1.txt" 2: "W:\TEMP\Video_2.*" 3: "W:\TEMP\Audio_3_English.thd" 15: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_15_English.sup" 31: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_31_English.sup" 33: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_33_English.sup" -progressnumbers -LOG="W:\TEMP\LOGS\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"

Change numbers and extensions to suit, along with paths
LOG folder must exist before you start

OR
you can use one of the eac3to GUIs

[Blurayhd]

Browse to the root of the mounted ISO or extracted movie folder, and run:
eac3to
in a CMD prompt

Then run
eac3to #) [where # is the playlist number from step 1]
this will give details about the file

Now run
eac3to.exe" "G:" 1) 1: "W:\TEMP\Chapters_1.txt" 2: "W:\TEMP\Video_2.*" 3: "W:\TEMP\Audio_3_English.thd" 15: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_15_English.sup" 31: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_31_English.sup" 33: "W:\TEMP\Subtitles_33_English.sup" -progressnumbers -LOG="W:\TEMP\LOGS\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"

Change numbers and extensions to suit, along with paths
LOG folder must exist before you start

OR
you can use one of the eac3to GUIs

Thank you Gonca, I use the gui for pass from DTS to AC3 and I don´t know another function on this program, if you just can tell me(with the gui) how to do this I´ll really appreciate it

[gonca]

If you are using HdBrStreamExtractor_0.9,
simply point to the blu ray, select an output folder
and click on extract.
There will be a log file created. If it doesn't show any errors then that mpls should be good

[MrVideo]

Hi all, I like to say happy new year to all of you and ask you for some tool for scan every Bluray disc surface so I´ll can see if there´s some surface problem, could you recommend?
So simple. Just use ImgBurn to create an ISO copy of the disc to your HDD. If there are any issues, ImgBurn will complain about the sectors it is having reading. It will complain at the start about the disc being copy protected. Ignore that, since all you want to do it read all of the sectors on the disc. When done, just delete the ISO file.

[Lathe]

P.S.
Just ignore Lathe, he is just our special mascot :devil:

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

[MrVideo]

"Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 (20:11) 23.976fps [V: h264 main L4.1, yuv420p, 720x480]".

Hmm..the only thing I'm seeing that would cause the imported to be "jerky" and the rerendered not be is (16:9) and (20:11)..as well as the frame rates and other stuff removed. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of guessing. But since the DVD plays without actual noticing of any "jerky" stuff...that's why I'm wondering about a bug.
20:11 is the same as 16:9 for the non-square pixel 720x480 video. Actually, the math that I came up with for 16:9 720x480 video is 32:27. The formula is DAR/SAR = WIDTH/HEIGHT where DAR = Display Aspect Ratio and SAR = Sample Aspect Ratio. 20:11 is 1.8181... while 32:27 is 1.185185. Not sure how jdobbs came up with 20:11. SAR is determined by: SAR = DAR * (HEIGHT/WIDTH).

As for the first run being jerky, that surprises me, since you are playing the raw video from the DVD. What are you using for the playback device?

[AmigaFuture]

I used Media Player Classic: Home Cinema, as I typed before, as well as PowerDVD 12 and burned the Import from DVD to BD to a BD-RW and then my LG Blu-ray Player. All 3 showed the same jerky.

Since you also have the DVD, have you not noticed that?

[MrVideo]

I used Media Player Classic: Home Cinema, as I typed before, as well as PowerDVD 12 and burned the Import from DVD to BD to a BD-RW and then my LG Blu-ray Player. All 3 showed the same jerky.
Forgot what you typed before.
Since you also have the DVD, have you not noticed that?
I played what I recoded to 23.976 with VLC on the computer. The 29.97 that VRD recoded didn't have an issue, but I think I only played it within VRD. But, I did step thru a lot of it with VRD and there was the normal 2:3 pulldown video. No weird frames.

[MrVideo]

My objective is to combine all the Stargate SG-1 DVDs into Seasonal BDs and have them be totally progressive or as close as possible.
I seriously doubt that you will get a single season of SG-1 to fit on a single BD disc. You'd have to get each episode down to about 1GB. If you used 50GB media, then 2GB each. You are going to be cutting it close.

[gonca]

http://lathe-of-heaven.com/bananadance.gif

When I said special, I meant it in an Olympic way

[jdobbs]

Possible BD-RB Bug? Using Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1 after ripped, and not using any processing tools like VideoReDo, importing DVD and selecting the first selection (Pilot).

[12:53:56] Importing DVD: STARGATE_SG-1_-_SEASON_1_DVD_1
- Processing DVD title [1 of 3 ]
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
- Processing DVD title [2 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Processing DVD title [3 of 3 ]
- Not kept, per user setting...
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
[12:55:56] DVD import completed successfully.

Going into the Stream directory and playing M2TS it plays a little jerky. It's at 29.97ftps and there wasn't any rerendering done so..I'm confused as to why. I burn it to BD-RE..it plays the same way.

When I click Backup it's making a change. From imported:
"Video: MPEG2 Video 720x480 (16:9) 29.97fps [V: mpeg2 main, yuv420p, 720x480]"...

to rerendered:

"Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 (20:11) 23.976fps [V: h264 main L4.1, yuv420p, 720x480]".

Hmm..the only thing I'm seeing that would cause the imported to be "jerky" and the rerendered not be is (16:9) and (20:11)..as well as the frame rates and other stuff removed. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of guessing. But since the DVD plays without actual noticing of any "jerky" stuff...that's why I'm wondering about a bug.Look for "IMPORT_DVD_IVTC=1" in your INI file.