BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I went for One-Pass (crf) Encoding.
The segment was not even really small: 202 MB in the original / reencoded to 63 MB. So it has been reencoded, but not resized to 720p. There's other critera involved as well. It's normal -- and needs to be there. Were the other segment(s) that were encoded at 1080p in the same boat?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Regarding HD-DVD:Nothing has changed at all except the adding of "--slices 4" to all command lines. Could that be it?
I'm afraid I have no way of knowing, so I'll ask the "other party"

Other than that, it uses the settings I was asked to use...By the way, the custom feature hasn't changed either. Did that include/require "a specific line for "ENCODE_QUALITY=6 and, possibly, "FORCE_ENCODE=1"?

If you can tell me what you want the settings to be I can set them.If the other party is willing to determine and provide the necessary settings, I'd greatly appreciate that ;>}

[Brian5970]

anybody having trouble re-encoding with windows 7 64? I had this working good w/ vista ultimate 64. Then I upgraded to 7 64 ultimate and the bd-rebuilder extracts the video fine, but when it goes to re-encode it hangs-up, retries 3 times and closes. I've been going over my ffdshow setting and matroska, AVIsynth and I think they're all set right. Just wondering if anyone else has this problem.

[whytellyou]

anybody having trouble re-encoding with windows 7 64? I had this working good w/ vista ultimate 64. Then I upgraded to 7 64 ultimate and the bd-rebuilder extracts the video fine, but when it goes to re-encode it hangs-up, retries 3 times and closes. I've been going over my ffdshow setting and matroska, AVIsynth and I think they're all set right. Just wondering if anyone else has this problem.

From the first page.....
BD Rebuilder has NOT BEEN MODIFIED/TESTED FOR USE ON WINDOWS 7. If you run into issues with Windows 7, please don't post bug reports. It will be updated, but not until the final version of Windows 7 is released in October 2009.

[deank]

[Color=Blue]@jdobbs

Regarding HD-DVD:
I'm afraid I have no way of knowing, so I'll ask the "other party"


@setarip: I emailed you but your email account seems to be suspended.


Level 4.0 = slices 0
Level 4.1 = slices 4

I guess using slices is not compatible with HD-DVD / hdddvdmux.

A suggestion would be to use NO slices if HDDVD-compliant option is used in BDRB's ini.

[jdobbs]

anybody having trouble re-encoding with windows 7 64? I had this working good w/ vista ultimate 64. Then I upgraded to 7 64 ultimate and the bd-rebuilder extracts the video fine, but when it goes to re-encode it hangs-up, retries 3 times and closes. I've been going over my ffdshow setting and matroska, AVIsynth and I think they're all set right. Just wondering if anyone else has this problem.Go back through the thread. Win7 needs some registry tweaking to work... unfortunately this kind of thing is the price you pay when you decide to upgrade to a new version of a Microsoft product before it is actually released.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
v0.29.05. Movie Gladiator. Resize to 720p. Full backup.
Main feature is split into many .m2ts. Some of these are still not resized to 720p but stick to the original 1080p.
In one case, instead of starting a crf prediction the log just indicates "Reencoding: ....Pass 1 of 1". In the second case the crf prediction runs normally but the encode remains at 1080.
Any thoughts?I just tried Gladiator and it seems to work correctly. I also went back through the code and can't find anything that could make it stay 1080p -- did you do any kind of external processing?

Can you tell me which M2TSs were showing oddness?

[Sharc]

I just tried Gladiator and it seems to work correctly. I also went back through the code and can't find anything that could make it stay 1080p -- did you do any kind of external processing?

Can you tell me which M2TSs were showing oddness?
No, I didn't do any preprocessing.
Files showing the oddness (re-encoded but not resized):
00002.m2ts (Studio intro)
00125.m2ts (Segment of the main feature). In addition, all audio (DTS) and sups were kept and muxed intact for this segment, instead of being selected and re-encoded to ac3 for audio. It is noted that the 00125.m2ts belongs to the playlist for the "extended version". It is not used for the "theatre version".

[drjake]

I have pinned down where my problems with the movie only backup of Coraline stem from. I actually used TSMuxer and TSMuxer GUI to create BD-25 files out of the m2ts file created by BD Rebuilder and created a working backup. Thus, it appears that something is going wrong in the rebuild phase. Note that I successfully did movie-only backups in the past with earlier versions of BD-Rebuilder but can't pinpoint when it would have stopped working for me. I do know that the various .28 and .29 versions are not working in making movie-only backups for me. Note that the TSMUXER created files include the following folders that were not created with BD-Rebuilder for Coraline: Auxdata, BDJO, JAR and Meta.

I do not know if this is a bug or if somehow I have jumbled my installation of the support programs. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I tried again with Coraline forcing a reencode to see if it had something to do with the VC-1. It still will not play in any standalone nor in Windvd. As soon as you press play it immediately stops and shows "Stop" on the screen. This is the only BD that has not worked for me. Here are my log file and ini files:

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[10:53:51] BD Rebuilder v0.29.04 (beta)
- Source: CORALINE
- Input BD size: 19.28 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:40:36.238]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[10:53:51] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [10:53:51] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [11:28:56] Reencoding: VID_00010 (1 of 1)
[11:37:46]PHASE ONE complete
[11:37:46]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [11:37:46] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[11:58:21] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[11:58:21]JOB: CORALINE finished.


[Options]
RESIZE=0
MODE=1
TARGET_SIZE=23000
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=
TRELLIS=1
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=1
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=1
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23450
FORCE_ENCODE=1
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=C:\CORALINE\CORALINE\
WORKING_PATH=C:\TEMP\

Anybody have any ideas what is going on here.

[Capsbackup]

@drjake;
The latest version is BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta).
Looking at your posted log, there is not a reencoding taking place, since the original is less than BD-25 size. If you want to reencode this movie, try setting the size to BD-9 or BD-5. Movie only will look great for BD-5, but your choice if you want BD-9.
All BD-RB is doing with your current settings is demuxing/remuxing and rebuilding, all still with the original codec. (VC-1?)
Depending on if you have selected Strict Compliance for movie only AVCHD, Auxdata, BDJO, JAR and Meta will either be present or not.
Or:
With tsMuxeR GUI, either select AVCHD or BluRay. The files will be there or not accordingly.

[drjake]

I understand that there is not a re-encoding going on. I was trying to use BD Rebuilder to do a movie only BD-25. I have checked off Stricter AVCHD compliance. The problem is that the BD-25 backup is not working with BD-Rebuilder. The files that it is producing do not create a working blu-ray disk. I can do it the more difficult way with TSMuxer but I am trying to figure out why I can't do a BD-25 with BD-Rebuilder when I have been able to do it in the past.

@drjake;
The latest version is BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta).
Looking at your posted log, there is not a reencoding taking place, since the original is less than BD-25 size. If you want to reencode this movie, try setting the size to BD-9 or BD-5. Movie only will look great for BD-5, but your choice if you want BD-9.
All BD-RB is doing with your current settings is demuxing/remuxing and rebuilding, all still with the original codec. (VC-1?)
Depending on if you have selected Strict Compliance for movie only AVCHD, Auxdata, BDJO, JAR and Meta will either be present or not.
Or:
With tsMuxeR GUI, either select AVCHD or BluRay. The files will be there or not accordingly.

[Capsbackup]

I understand that there is not a re-encoding going on. I was trying to use BD Rebuilder to do a movie only BD-25. I have checked off Stricter AVCHD compliance. The problem is that the BD-25 backup is not working with BD-Rebuilder. The files that it is producing do not create a working blu-ray disk. I can do it the more difficult way with TSMuxer but I am trying to figure out why I can't do a BD-25 with BD-Rebuilder when I have been able to do it in the past.

BD-RB only uses tsMuxeR to rebuild the same way tsMuxeR does when using the tsMuxeR GUI. So I doubt the problem is BD-RB. You can try both with and without Stricter AVCHD compliance, but I believe if you are using BD-R/RE media, use BluRay setting.

[EDUDE]

Hello everyone.
I've been made about 15 bluray and I had no problem except the following:
let only the ENGLISH and SPANISH audio and select all the subtitles on Bdrebuilder options
But when watching the movie with SPANISH audio on, for more than select subtitles off, subtitles appears...
and the truth that is annoying ... any ideas what might be the problem... and what the solution? thanxs!

[jdobbs]

Hello everyone.
I've been made about 15 bluray and I had no problem except the following:
let only the ENGLISH and SPANISH audio and select all the subtitles on Bdrebuilder options
But when watching the movie with SPANISH audio on, for more than select subtitles off, subtitles appears...
and the truth that is annoying ... any ideas what might be the problem... and what the solution? thanxs! BD-RB never defaults subtitles on. It's probable that your player is setup so in a way that causes them to be activated.

[EDUDE]

thanks for the reply jdoobs...Use the PLAYSTATION 3 as blu-ray player ... I just finished 007 Casino Royale ... I try the original , select SPANISH audio and the captions do not appear ... instead I try the copy and subtitles appears... I believe that it isnt an issue of the PS3 ... There is something in the program that makes the captions go whenever another language is chosen than the English ..what do you think could be the problem?

[Sharc]

Maybe it's not a bug, but I am wondering about the initial value for crf prediction for the same file and same settings and same target size (BD9).

Full backup mode:
- [21:07:18] Reencoding: VID_00009 (4 of 95)
- [21:07:18] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 2'510 frames
- [21:07:18] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 17.91 19.18 18.79 [18.88]

Movie only mode:
- [12:47:13] Reencoding: VID_00009 (2 of 26)
- [12:47:13] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 2'510 frames
- [12:47:13] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 58.13 10.00 46.66 37.93 31.49 26.81 23.50 21.16 19.55 18.55 17.92 17.68 17.46 17.24 17.08 17.18 17.14 17.11 [17.10]

Why is the initial crf value for "movie only" 58.13, (continuing with large initial swings)? It looks strange to me, because I would have expected it to be lower than for "full backup" mode as there is more space available for movie only (which is eventually confirmed by the final value of 17.10 vs 18.88).
I noticed this "oddness" of the initial crf throughout the disc for most of the segments and for other discs as well.
On the positive I like to mention that the final target size was nicely met in both cases - which is the most important of course :)

[jdobbs]

Maybe it's not a bug, but I am wondering about the initial value for crf prediction for the same file and same settings and same target size (BD9).

Full backup mode:
- [21:07:18] Reencoding: VID_00009 (4 of 95)
- [21:07:18] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 2'510 frames
- [21:07:18] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 17.91 19.18 18.79 [18.88]

Movie only mode:
- [12:47:13] Reencoding: VID_00009 (2 of 26)
- [12:47:13] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 2'510 frames
- [12:47:13] Performing CRF Prediction...
- Analyzing 58.13 10.00 46.66 37.93 31.49 26.81 23.50 21.16 19.55 18.55 17.92 17.68 17.46 17.24 17.08 17.18 17.14 17.11 [17.10]

Why is the initial crf value for "movie only" 58.13, (continuing with large initial swings)? It looks strange to me, because I would have expected it to be lower than for "full backup" mode as there is more space available for movie only (which is eventually confirmed by the final value of 17.10 vs 18.88).
I noticed this "oddness" of the initial crf throughout the disc for most of the segments and for other discs as well.
On the positive I like to mention that the final target size was nicely met in both cases - which is the most important of course :) It's linked to the new code I added for 720p conversion -- I've fixed it for the next version. I got one that started with a value of 738... and I was very surprised that X264 didn't choke on it. :)

[jdobbs]

thanks for the reply jdoobs...Use the PLAYSTATION 3 as blu-ray player ... I just finished 007 Casino Royale ... I try the original , select SPANISH audio and the captions do not appear ... instead I try the copy and subtitles appears... I believe that it isnt an issue of the PS3 ... There is something in the program that makes the captions go whenever another language is chosen than the English ..what do you think could be the problem?As I said: It is NOT in the program. I'd have to write code to turn subtitles on -- and I haven't. I can't say whether it is something in TSMUXER -- but I've never seen it reported anywhere. I've also gotten no other reports of an issue of this type in BD-RB other than yours.

Sorry, but that pretty much just leaves your PS3... whether "you believe" or not.

Is this a full backup or a movie-only backup?

[EDUDE]

always full backup... TERMINATOR - 300 - BATMAN the dark knight to mention a few... on HIGHT QUALITY, others on HIGHEST.... coulde it be a codec problem instead?

[tekmobile]

Just got an error anyone know what it means

[02:22:06] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [02:22:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- AV frame too large (55814 bytes). Increase AV buffer.
[02:22:38] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted

[jdobbs]

always full backup... TERMINATOR - 300 - BATMAN the dark knight to mention a few... on HIGHT QUALITY, others on HIGHEST.... coulde it be a codec problem instead? I've done 300 and Batman (Region A) and I don't have any problems...

I can't imagine how it could be a CODEC issue... the subs are an overlay. There is a register in the player that gets set when a graphic overlay (subtitle) is to be displayed. Somehow the register is getting set -- and only a command sequence or the player itself can set it. The command sequences from the original disc aren't touched when a backup is made by BD-RB, they are kept completely intact.

Something has to be turning it on in your player (PS-3).

[EDUDE]

Thank you very much jdobbs for taking care of the matter ... i will check the configuration of the PS3 and see if i can find a solution!

[samtroy]

@jdobbs

This may be a silly question: Why is BD Rebuilder muxing the re-encoded .264-file into an .m2ts-file first before making the final muxing (movie-only, mkv_intermediate=0)?

Wouldn't it be possible to do the final muxing *directly* with the .264-videofile?

Sorry if this has been discussed before..

[4444405]

Thanks for the continued updates for BD Rebuilder, it is a great piece of software and I have backed up many of my blu-ray collection without any problems.
However there is a series called Torchwood here in the UK and the blu-ray's for both series 2 and 3 fail to compress to BD-25. Is it because there is simply too long a duration of video on the original discs?

[14:14:00] BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta)
- Source: TORCHWOOD_S3_D1
- Input BD size: 41.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:05:06.386]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7127]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[14:14:00] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [14:14:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [14:14:03] Reencoding: VID_00002 (1 of 15)
- [14:14:03] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 1,434 frames
- Bitrate: 4,156 Kbs
- [14:14:03] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:14:04] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
[14:17:10] - Failed video encode, aborted


[Status]
LABEL=TORCHWOOD_S3_D1
VERSION=v0.29.05 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=45077149274
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=44544909312
TARGET_SIZE=24117248000
REDUCTION=.52946584474573
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=2
[00002]
AUDIO=1
PGS=1
M2TS_TARGET=35744383
RATE=4156

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

This may be a silly question: Why is BD Rebuilder muxing the re-encoded .264-file into an .m2ts-file first before making the final muxing (movie-only, mkv_intermediate=0)?

Wouldn't it be possible to do the final muxing *directly* with the .264-videofile?

Sorry if this has been discussed before.. There are reasons it is done the way it is. Actually, when doing a full backup, the files made are the final M2TS files. In Movie-Only it is a little different.

[jdobbs]

Thanks for the continued updates for BD Rebuilder, it is a great piece of software and I have backed up many of my blu-ray collection without any problems.
However there is a series called Torchwood here in the UK and the blu-ray's for both series 2 and 3 fail to compress to BD-25. Is it because there is simply too long a duration of video on the original discs?

[14:14:00] BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta)
- Source: TORCHWOOD_S3_D1
- Input BD size: 41.98 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:05:06.386]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7127]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[14:14:00] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [14:14:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [14:14:03] Reencoding: VID_00002 (1 of 15)
- [14:14:03] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 1,434 frames
- Bitrate: 4,156 Kbs
- [14:14:03] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:14:04] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
[14:17:10] - Failed video encode, aborted


[Status]
LABEL=TORCHWOOD_S3_D1
VERSION=v0.29.05 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=45077149274
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=44544909312
TARGET_SIZE=24117248000
REDUCTION=.52946584474573
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=2
[00002]
AUDIO=1
PGS=1
M2TS_TARGET=35744383
RATE=4156 Length shouldn't have any effect. Normally when this error occurs it means the CODEC is having issues. The best way to see what causes the problem is to open the affected .AVS file (VID_00002.AVS) directly with Media Player Classic or Windows Media Player. In most cases an error message will be displayed.

[7saigon5]

Is it possible to add an external subtitiles when rebuilt a BD?If not,try to improve with this function would be perfect....!

[astraub]

Hi,

I found that the latest BD Rebuilder version generates problems in video coding during the first roughly 30 secs of movies. If there is mainly a black background (for example during the title screens) this black is more a middle gray and additional blocking errors occur. After this initial phase everything appears to be fine.

I found this problems on both movies I encoded ("Transformers" and "The boat that rocked", both region B) and checked that this does not show up in the original rip. It appears to me like the video coder needs some time to "sync" to the video stream. I have not observed this in previous versions.

Greetings

PS: just saw, that this is still happening at the credits (on black background) .... so it only has to do with the fact that most of the picture is black. I am going back to 29.04 and hope for the best ...

[jdobbs]

Hi,

I found that the latest BD Rebuilder version generates problems in video coding during the first roughly 30 secs of movies. If there is mainly a black background (for example during the title screens) this black is more a middle gray and additional blocking errors occur. After this initial phase everything appears to be fine.

I found this problems on both movies I encoded ("Transformers" and "The boat that rocked", both region B) and checked that this does not show up in the original rip. It appears to me like the video coder needs some time to "sync" to the video stream. I have not observed this in previous versions.

Greetings

PS: just saw, that this is still happening at the credits (on black background) .... so it only has to do with the fact that most of the picture is black. I am going back to 29.04 and hope for the best ... The version of BD-RB probably won't make a difference -- since X264 is actually doing the encoding. Before going back, I'd look at the original -- you may see that it is where the issue is.

[drjake]

This gets more interesting. I did a BD9 backup of Coraline and it works fine. However, if I do a BD25 (don't worry, I am using a BD-RE to experiment), the disc will not play. However, if I run the m2ts file through TSMUXER again (using tsmuxer GUI), I am able to create a working BD25 disc. This leads me to believe that there is some bug in BD-Rebuilder that affects BD25 backups.

[jdobbs]

This gets more interesting. I did a BD9 backup of Coraline and it works fine. However, if I do a BD25 (don't worry, I am using a BD-RE to experiment), the disc will not play. However, if I run the m2ts file through TSMUXER again (using tsmuxer GUI), I am able to create a working BD25 disc. This leads me to believe that there is some bug in BD-Rebuilder that affects BD25 backups.

This is a full backup to BD-25 or a movie-only backup? Also, what kind of player are you using?

[drjake]

This is a full backup to BD-25 or a movie-only backup? Also, what kind of player are you using?

It is movie only, Panasonic BD35. The m2ts will play fine in WMP or Windvd. However, the disc will not play in either my PC using Windvd or on the BD35. The disc starts reading and is recognized as a BD and then goes immediately to Stop. The Windvd player shows Stop in the screen and the BD35 shows HDMI on its screen. The BD9 version works fine though.

Here are my logs from the failed BD25 and the BD9:

[16:39:09] BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta)
- Source: CORALINE
- Input BD size: 19.28 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:40:36.238]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[16:39:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:39:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [17:16:35] Reencoding: VID_00010 (1 of 1)
- [17:16:35] Collecting video information
- [17:16:35] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [17:16:35] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [17:16:35] Multiplexing M2TS
[17:25:22]PHASE ONE complete
[17:25:22]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:25:22] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[18:32:49] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[18:32:49]JOB: CORALINE finished.
-----------------------
[20:59:35] BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta)
- Source: CORALINE
- Input BD size: 19.28 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:40:36.238]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=1 Kbs=640
[20:59:44] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [20:59:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [21:37:05] Reencoding: VID_00010 (1 of 1)
- [21:37:05] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144,725 frames
- Bitrate: 9,506 Kbs
- [21:37:05] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 1 of 2
- [00:21:18] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 2 of 2
- [08:07:33] Video Encode complete
- [08:07:33] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [08:11:40] Multiplexing M2TS
[08:16:08]PHASE ONE complete
[08:16:08]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [08:16:08] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[08:22:19] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[08:22:19]JOB: CORALINE finished.

[samtroy]

I'm currently playing around with encoding settings and I'd like to ask the following basic question:

Is it possible that one-pass CRF encoding produces better quality sometimes that the default two-pass (bitrate-based?) encoding mode? Or is the default two-pass mode *always* the better option?

I'm asking because I've read somewhere that in x264's CRF mode some things are done differently..

[jdobbs]

I'm currently playing around with encoding settings and I'd like to ask the following basic question:

Is it possible that one-pass CRF encoding produces better quality sometimes that the default two-pass (bitrate-based?) encoding mode? Or is the default two-pass mode *always* the better option?

I'm asking because I've read somewhere that in x264's CRF mode some things are done differently.. I guess it ends up as opinion -- but while one-pass CRF can come very close to 2 pass encoding, I think two pass will do better under most circumstances. On the other hand, if the encode isn't very challenging, you would probably not be able to see the difference (but could save a lot of time).

The real tradeoff is in output sizing accuracy compared to time-to-encode.

[TRONDROM]

Quick question, I encoded a full movie back up of Punisher 2 War Zone to a BD-25. The disc loads up fine and plays in my Sony BDP-S300, but I've noticed the movie is a bit jumpy and choppy in parts, like the frame rate is stuttering. What could cause this? This is not the first time I've encountered this problem. I ended up just taking the largest M2TS file and running it through Ripbot instead and made a 20gb BDMV AVCHD file instead and burned it and it plays beautiful, but I wanted the whole bluray, extras included. What could cause BD-Rebuilder to cause stuttering of the frame rate?

[EDUDE]

Following samtroy questions about quality: for BD-25 , is it
worth to Select HIGHEST QUALITY, or HIGH QUALITY is already sufficient? my question is whether it's worth the time it takes for HIGHEST QUALITY, to notice any difference with the DEFAULT HIGH QUALITY.... thanxs!!

[Sharc]

I would say that you really won't notice a difference on a BD-25. 'Highest' is a waste of time IMHO on a BD-25.
I suggest you may want to try GOOD and tell us your findings. You may be surprised about the quality.

Added: This is the thread for bug reports ....

[EDUDE]

yes my mistake!... thanxs for your reply...

[jdobbs]

I've updated the first post of this thread with a link to the latest version (v0.30.01) of BD-RB. Changes for this release:- Corrected an issue in which the SETUP checkbox for
"SD to HD (720p)" was not being set properly when
the SETUP dialog is initialized.
- Updated the maximum bitrate for BD-25 encoding to
a higher rate to lower the undersizing probability.
- Removed "--slices 4" when HDDVD_COMPLIANT is set.
- Corrected an error in initial CRF calculation on
very high bitrate encodes.
- Corrected the CRF sample size calculation for those
instances where framerate is doubling (e.g. 29.97fps
is not allowed -- and is converted to 59.94fps when
720p resizing is selected).
- AVCHD output restrictions have been removed for all
BD-25 output. BD-25 movie-only now uses the TSMUXER
"--blu-ray" option.
- Added new restrictions that are enforced when "Strict
AVCHD for BD-5/9 Movie-Only" is selected. These new
restrictions are intended to make AVCHD work on more
players by becoming more compliant with the multiple
AVCHD standards being created by camcorders. Now when
this option is set all AVCHD output is limited to
to Level 4.0, "--slices" are not included, the bitrate
is set to a 17.5Mbs maximum, and audio is always
converted to Dolby Digital (DD is the only supported
audio codec in AVCHD).
- Added a new hidden parameter for those who wish to
ignore the AVCHD requirement for DOLBY DIGITAL audio.
"OVERRIDE_AVCHD_AUDIO_LIMIT=1" will remove the "always
convert to DD" restriction and audio will be included
per the choices made in the SETUP dialog. Using this
option is not recommended in most cases.
- Strict AVCHD compliance is now the default for BD-5
or BD-9 movie-only encodes. The "FORCE_BLURAY" hidden
option has been removed. The equivalent of that
setting can be created by deselecting "Strict AVCHD
BD-5/9 Movie-Only".
- Corrected channel mapping when converting from 7.1 to
5.1 audio for AC3 reencoding.
- Updated X264.EXE in zip distribution package to the
latest (r1171) version.
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.

[samtroy]

jdobbs, first of all congrats to the new version :thanks:.

Two small things:

1) I added AUDIO_AMPLIFY=1.0 to BD Rebuilder's ini-file because I don't want the audio to be amplified. Especially not DTS which is louder than AC3 anyway. Or is there maybe a technical reason for amplifiying the audio?

However, BD Rebuilder still creates AUD_XXX.avs files with ".Amplify(1.2)" in it. Shouldn't it be ".Amplify(1.0)" then? As if the ini parameter has no effect. I also tried AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0 to turn it off completely, but also no effect, still ".Amplify(1.2)" in the AviSynth files.. :confused:

Is this setting broken maybe?

2) Just out of curiosity: Is BD Rebuilder using the "-pad 0" parameter when reencoding the audio with Aften? This is supposed to avoid a certain 10ms delay which results normally from the audio reencoding. But I'm pretty sure u already know that.. :o

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, first of all congrats to the new version :thanks:.

Two small things:

1) I added AUDIO_AMPLIFY=1.0 to BD Rebuilder's ini-file because I don't want the audio to be amplified. Especially not DTS which is louder than AC3 anyway. Or is there maybe a technical reason for amplifiying the audio?

However, BD Rebuilder still creates AUD_XXX.avs files with ".Amplify(1.2)" in it. Shouldn't it be ".Amplify(1.0)" then? As if the ini parameter has no effect. I also tried AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0 to turn it off completely, but also no effect, still ".Amplify(1.2)" in the AviSynth files.. :confused:

Is this setting broken maybe?

2) Just out of curiosity: Is BD Rebuilder using the "-pad 0" parameter when reencoding the audio with Aften? This is supposed to avoid a certain 10ms delay which results normally from the audio reencoding. But I'm pretty sure u already know that.. :oYes it's a bug. The underscore is missing when I read it from the INI. I'll fix it for the next version. In the meantime you can set it with:

AUDIOAMPLIFY=1.0

[samtroy]

OK, thanks for checking.

Whats your opinion on that '-pad 0' Aften parameter? Does it make sense? I mean 10ms is not very much but it's an delay nonetheless, right?

[landtank]

I've had a problem twice now and I'm not experienced enough to know what I'm doing wrong. On two occations I've taken a mkv file and used tsmuxer to make a bluray disk. And then had to use this software to fit it on a DVD9 disk. The result when played on my stand alone Sony player is that the image on the screen is cut in half vertically where the left side is OK and the right side is a ghost of the left.

I've tried adjusting resolutions on the player and TV with no results.

Any help would be appreciated.

[astraub]

As i mentioned before - the original dies NOT Show those artifacts ...

[Capsbackup]

@landtank;
Is this mkv from an original Blu-Ray disc? If not, that is your problem. BD-RB is not going to correct improper Blu-Ray resolutions. You need 1920x1080 or 1280x720, etc... to start with, which is what you will get if it is from an original Blu-Ray disc. Of course, extras could be 480i/p. So if this is not from an original Blu-Ray disc, keep searching! :rolleyes:

[samtroy]

@jdobbs

I'm currently converting a BD with two DTS audiotracks (one 5.1 DTS-HD, one normal 5.1 DTS, as told by BDInfo 0.52) to AC3.

I've noticed that in both audio AviSynth-files is now (v0.30.01):

audio = (AudioChannels(audio) > 6) ? GetChannel(audio,1,2,3,4,7,8) : audio

compared to older versions:

audio = (AudioChannels(audio) > 6) ? GetChannel(audio,1,2,3,4,5,6) : audio

Is that OK? What happened to Channels 5 and 6 :eek:?

[landtank]

@landtank;
Is this mkv from an original Blu-Ray disc? If not, that is your problem. BD-RB is not going to correct improper Blu-Ray resolutions. You need 1920x1080 or 1280x720, etc... to start with, which is what you will get if it is from an original Blu-Ray disc. Of course, extras could be 480i/p. So if this is not from an original Blu-Ray disc, keep searching! :rolleyes:

thanks for the reply.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Just to let you know that v.30.01 "HDDVD_COMPLIANT=1" produces a perfect HDDVD-compliant file.

Thank you ;>}

[drjake]

New Version Solves the Problem

This is a full backup to BD-25 or a movie-only backup? Also, what kind of player are you using?

[DVD Maniac]

Have tried several times to re-encode Independence Day (Region A) "movie only" with no luck.

Steup is:

[Status]
LABEL=ID4_US_V2
VERSION=v0.29.03 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=37979387904
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=37979387904
TARGET_SIZE=25165824000
REDUCTION=.662617945913487
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
BACKUP_MODE=1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=3
COMPLETED=1
[00001]
AUDIO=10000
PGS=1000001
M2TS_TARGET=25165803644
RATE=20000
NSIZE=22487697408
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00002]
M2TS_TARGET=20356


The rebuilder log is:
-----------------------
[12:27:21] BD Rebuilder v0.29.03 (beta)
- Source: ID4_US_V2
- Input BD size: 35.37 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:24:48.680]
- Target BD size: 23.44 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[12:27:21] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:27:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [12:51:47] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 2)
- [12:51:47] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 208,296 frames
- Bitrate: 20,000 Kbs
- [12:51:47] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [12:51:48] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [14:36:47] Video Encode complete
- [14:36:47] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [14:43:41] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:58:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [14:58:14] Reencoding: VID_00002 (2 of 2)
- [14:58:14] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 24 frames
- [14:58:14] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 1
- [14:58:16] Video Encode complete
- [14:58:16] Multiplexing M2TS
- Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00002.meta
- Can't open file: F:\ID4\WORKFILES\VID_00002.AVS.264
[14:58:16] - Failed to build structure, aborted

.

Got exactly the same result for Silence of the Lambs Region B PAL on Movie Only run. Sorry I closed it down before I had a chance to copy the Logfile (is this stored anywhere for later retrieval?)