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[8ternity]

I have try this change and it works:

- Uninstall/Reinstall ffdshow 3326
- update x264.exe for rev 1542

at 2% now and not crashed. After conversion done, i will retry the old x264.exe.

I will give you some news. :thanks:

[Nerz]

I've have now been able to back up a number of blu-rays now. For that, thank you very much jdobbs, your work has been great. I am now only having one problem so far, my blu-rays re-encode, burn fine, from what i can tell. On my ps3 and my vizio blu-ray players the movies play and look great. Though its not a big problem but there is one blu-ray which i don't use that much anymore, bdp-s301 that will not play the bd-r25 backups. It says can't play disc, or no disc in tray. At first I ignored it because before the firmware update it said it was not bd-r compliant. The lastest firmware update did state it added this: "Compatibility with BD-R/RE discs burned by the Click to Disc™ and Click to Disc™ Editor software included with some VAIO® computers". I don't have this software but I have a hard time believing that only that software has the capabilities the record data that my blu-ray player can play. Since it's not a much used player it won't be big deal if get it working, just would be nice. Yes it does play original blu-rays

[jdobbs]

Hello Jdobbs!

x264.exe crashed during conversion of this bluray:
BAD_LIEUTENANT

here the 1rst try:

-----------------------
[18:11:32] BD Rebuilder v0.33.04 (beta)
- Source: FULLDISC
- Input BD size: 23,28 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:12:07.048]
- Target BD size: 22,66 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- One Pass ABR Mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[18:11:32] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:11:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [18:11:33] Reencoding: VID_00006 (1 of 7)
- [18:11:33] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 214 frames
- Bitrate: 14*585 Kbs
- [18:11:33] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
[18:11:58]PHASE ONE aborted by user request
-----------------------
[18:15:18] BD Rebuilder v0.33.04 (beta)
- Source: FULLDISC
- Input BD size: 23,28 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:12:07.048]
- Target BD size: 22,66 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- One Pass ABR Mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[18:15:21] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:15:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [18:15:22] Reencoding: VID_00006 (1 of 7)
- [18:15:22] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 214 frames
- Bitrate: 14*585 Kbs
- [18:15:22] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.



[Status]
LABEL=FULLDISC
VERSION=v0.33.04 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=24999965565
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=24807383040
TARGET_SIZE=24326963200
REDUCTION=.972870884288164
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
QUICK=1
ENCODE_STEP=1
[00006]
AUDIO=1111
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=19761016
RATE=14585


It crashed again and again.

i've got this message in the inspector:


-----------------------
[18:19:42] BD Rebuilder v0.33.04 (beta)
- Source: FULLDISC
- Input BD size: 23,28 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:12:07.048]
- Target BD size: 22,66 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- One Pass ABR Mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[18:19:45] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:19:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [18:19:45] Reencoding: VID_00006 (1 of 7)
- [18:19:45] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 214 frames
- Bitrate: 14*585 Kbs
- [18:19:45] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.33.04 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "ffmpeg-mt": Ok
- X264: Wrong version found
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
[18:20:54] - Failed video encode, aborted


What should i do to resolving the x264 version?

Edit: x264 --help
version: x264 core:92 r1523 25ca5b0
test also x264 core: 93 r1538 bd72d46 You upgraded X264 on your own and caused the error. Downgrade, and don't report problems that you cause for yourself.

The new X264 version has a bug related to sizing when it gets its input from an AVS... next time wait until I upgrade in the release -- that way you know it has been tested. This is a self inflicted injury.

[Dark Shikari]

The new X264 version has a bug related to sizing when it gets its input from an AVS... next time wait until I upgrade in the release -- that way you know it has been tested. This is a self inflicted injury.What bug?

x264 will weave field-based sources. This is a good thing; previously, they would be interpreted wrong. Do you want the old broken behavior back where field-based sources get interpreted as alternating-field half-vertical-res progressive videos?

[jdobbs]

What bug?

x264 will weave field-based sources. This is a good thing; previously, they would be interpreted wrong. Do you want the old broken behavior back? I was just about to PM you. It's definitely there. If you feed a 720x480 interlaced source into X264 via an AVS with the latest version the output is 720x960.

I'll PM you, but I have to do it in about an hour (gotta run). I have an example command line, source, and AVS file.

You're not implying this is something you wanted to happen are you? I can understand weaving two fields -- but why would you weave what appears to be two frames?

[Dark Shikari]

I was just about to PM you. It's definitely there. If you feed a 720x480 interlaced source into X264 via an AVS with the latest version the output is 720x960.

I'll PM you, but I have to do it in about an hour (gotta run). I have an example command line, source, and AVS file.

You're not implying this is something you wanted to happen are you? I can understand weaving two fields -- but why would you weave what appears to be two frames?x264 will weave if the field-based flag is set. That is, if you used SeparateFields() or AssumeFieldBased().

If you set AssumeFieldBased on a frame-based input, you are doing it wrong.

[jdobbs]

x264 will weave if the field-based flag is set. That is, if you used SeparateFields() or AssumeFieldBased().

If you set AssumeFieldBased on a frame-based input, you are doing it wrong. You may be right -- but the encode works perfectly when you switch back to r1142. The point I was making in the post above is that the error is caused by the poster upgrading to the new version before I am able to test the new one.

As per the AVISYNTH docs, I used "AssumeFieldBased()" because that's the only way you can tell AVISYNTH the field order of the source. It didn't cause an issue until now.

From the AVISYNTH docs:
However, this information isn't necessarily correct, because field information usually isn't stored in video files and AviSynth's source filters just guess at it. AssumeFrameBased and AssumeFieldBased let you tell AviSynth the correct type of a clip.

Either way -- BD Rebuilder doesn't work with the new version. Now that I can define bff/tff in the command line I don't really need to do this anymore anyway.

[Dark Shikari]

You may be right -- but the encode works perfectly when you switch back to r1142. The point I was making in the post above is that the error is caused by the poster upgrading to the new version before I am able to test the new one.

Either way -- BD Rebuilder doesn't work with the new version.Check your Avisynth scripts. If you can recreate a case in which:

a) you are not using AssumeFieldBased
b) you are not using weird complex scripts that you don't control

and it triggers, post a test case and we'll fix it.

As per the AVISYNTH docs, I used "AssumeFieldBased()" because that's the only way you can tell AVISYNTH the field order of the source. It didn't cause an issue until now.I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do that unless you actually have separate fields. I imagine this could break a lot of filters internally as well.

[jdobbs]

Check your Avisynth scripts. If you can recreate a case in which:

a) you are not using AssumeFieldBased
b) you are not using weird complex scripts that you don't control

and it triggers, post a test case and we'll fix it.

I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do that unless you actually have separate fields. I imagine this could break a lot of filters internally as well.

No big deal. I've already removed AssumeFieldBased() for the next release. In the older versions of X264 all I had was "interlaced" and AVISYNTH could sometimes be wrong about BFF sources. I can tell X264 the field order on the command line now.

[Zot]

jdobbs if im playing on a 65in tv do you think its best using automatic quality settings or uncheck so it does a 2-pass? cause putting in the original blu ray disc and putting in my backup copy (doing automatic quality) it looks a lil different?
ps by the way im doing bd-25 output option

For those that keep asking “what encode setting should I use” I ran a test using “Enemy At the Gates”

The original is a 40GB move that I shrunk to 25GB – a reduction of 39% according to BD-Rebuilder (after excluding all the unneeded audio and subtitles).

I cut a 2 minute segment from the opening sequence when they are crossing the water in boats and getting all shot up. This is a good reference clip because it has facial close-ups, explosions, fast panning, CGI (airplanes strafing the boats), bold colors (explosions, blood) distance shots and text on paper. After stripping all but the video, I ended up with a 500MB file. I then forced encoding using a custom output size to retain the 39% reduction and encoded with 4 different settings (all 2 pass). Encode was set to 0,1,2,3 and 4. The resulting files are about 235MB each (I know the percentages don’t seem to add up, but BD-Rebuilder’s inf files confirmed the target reductions were the same: REDUCTION=.611948951309969

The resulting encode times and min/max bit rates are as follows (from BD-INFO):

Length......Avg.Video.Rate.kbps.....Max.1-Sec.Rate.kbps.....Encode_Quality............total.time
01:59.8....32,948.............................47,978..............................Original.clip............N/A
01:59.8....15,008.............................22,730..............................0..........................0:08:26
01:59.8....14,936.............................28,042..............................1..........................0:15:47
01:59.8....14,933.............................28,057..............................2..........................0:17:36
01:59.8....14,950.............................27,692..............................3..........................0:23:47
01:59.8....14,930............................28,106...............................4.........................0:48:33

Encode Quality does spread the average/max bit rates a bit as I expected. My test PC is an Intel E6750 (core 2 duo @2.66GHz), 2GB RAM @667MHz, Windows 7 Ultimate (64 bit). Note that encode level 4 took 6 times as long as level 0.
I watched each output clip on an LG BD370 player connected to an LG 50’ 720P plasma TV. (I also have a PS3 connected to a Panasonic AE3000 projector with a 120’ screen I’ll test later EDIT: I also tested with the PS3/AE3000 setup - can't tell between clips.).

I had to check the file names to see which encode version I was watching as I could not tell the difference between all 5 clips. Freezing the screen during closeup shots and during explosions allowed me to see MINOR differences (more discernable facial hair, a little more detail in exploded pieces). So –if the extra time is of no consequence, you will get a SLIGHTLY better picture with higher encode values, but only if you scrutinize the image.

I know some people will argue that the overall bitrates will suffer and picture quality is therefore inherently worse with lower quality values. The human eye isn’t that good of a detector, even if the numbers indicate a difference.

I will gladly FTP the config and .m2ts files to anyone who wants to analyze further (I don’t have ability to capture good photos from the screen).

Z

PS - I will try compression to equal to DVD-5 and see what that output looks like next.

[8ternity]

Hello jdobbs:

ive converted with version 33.04 *stock* reintall original version; and converted BAD_LIEUTENANT bluray version and all bonus features are too stretched and audio is out of sync.

i have restored ffdshow 3326 and stock x264 version. movie is okay, not stretched or out of sync, only bonus features. I see that bonus features are 720 x 480 SDTV resolution.

Here example with mediainfos original and converted files:

00009.m2ts (orignal)

General
ID : 0
Complete name : E:\BDR\BAD_LIEUTENANT\FULLDISC\BDMV\STREAM\00009.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 2.90 GiB
Duration : 31mn 11s
Overall bit rate : 13.3 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Duration : 31mn 11s
Bit rate : 12.5 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.211
Stream size : 2.73 GiB (94%)
Color primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : BT.601-6 525, BT.601-6 625, BT.1358 525, BT.1358 625, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Matrix coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 31mn 11s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 224 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 50.0 MiB (2%)



00009.m2ts (converted)

General
ID : 1
Complete name : E:\BDR\BAD_LIEUTENANT\BD REBUILDED\REBUILDED 3304\FULLDISC\BDMV\STREAM\00009.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 842 MiB
Duration : 31mn 11s
Overall bit rate : 3 776 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 31mn 9s
Bit rate : 3 393 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 960 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 0.909
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.164
Stream size : 756 MiB (90%)
Writing library : x264 core 93 r1538 bd72d46
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=0:0:0 / analyse=0:0 / me=dia / subme=0 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=tff / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=0 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=0 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=0 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=24 / rc=crf / mbtree=0 / crf=22.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=35000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / crf-max=0.0 / ip_ratio=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=0 / nal_hrd=vbr

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 31mn 11s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 224 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 50.0 MiB (6%)
Language : English / /



Here projetcts logs:


-----------------------
[23:00:49] BD Rebuilder v0.33.04 (beta)
- Source: FULLDISC
- Input BD size: 23,28 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:12:07.048]
- Target BD size: 22,66 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- One Pass ABR Mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[23:00:49] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [23:00:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [23:00:50] Reencoding: VID_00006 (1 of 7)
- [23:00:50] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 214 frames
- Bitrate: 14*585 Kbs
- [23:00:50] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:01:00] Video Encode complete
- [23:01:00] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:01:00] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:01:01] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00013]
- [23:01:04] Reencoding: VID_00013 (2 of 7)
- [23:01:04] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 3*837 frames
- [23:01:04] Reencoding: VID_00013, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:01:24] Video Encode complete
- [23:01:24] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:01:24] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:01:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [23:01:35] Reencoding: VID_00011 (3 of 7)
- [23:01:35] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 3*649 frames
- [23:01:35] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:02:53] Video Encode complete
- [23:02:53] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:02:53] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:02:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00008]
- [23:03:40] Reencoding: VID_00008 (4 of 7)
- [23:03:40] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 24*727 frames
- [23:03:40] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:06:27] Video Encode complete
- [23:06:27] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:06:27] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:06:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00012]
- [23:07:18] Reencoding: VID_00012 (5 of 7)
- [23:07:18] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 37*048 frames
- [23:07:18] Reencoding: VID_00012, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:10:21] Video Encode complete
- [23:10:21] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:10:21] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:10:26] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009]
- [23:11:54] Reencoding: VID_00009 (6 of 7)
- [23:11:54] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 56*084 frames
- [23:11:54] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:17:25] Video Encode complete
- [23:17:25] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:17:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:17:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [23:26:04] Reencoding: VID_00000 (7 of 7)
- [23:26:04] Collecting video information
- [23:26:04] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [23:26:04] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:26:04] Multiplexing M2TS
[23:35:12]PHASE ONE complete
[23:35:12]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [23:35:12] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[23:35:17] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[23:35:18]JOB: FULLDISC finished.


Fulldisc Infos (Conversion log):

[Status]
LABEL=FULLDISC
VERSION=v0.33.04 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=24999965565
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=24807383040
TARGET_SIZE=24326963200
REDUCTION=.972870884288164
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
QUICK=1
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=7
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00006]
AUDIO=1111
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=19761016
RATE=14585
NSIZE=19826688
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
USE_ORIGINAL=1
[00013]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=138392860
NSIZE=45778944
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00011]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=352841124
NSIZE=141613056
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00008]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=1453283431
NSIZE=270833664
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00012]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=1613045205
NSIZE=310444032
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00009]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=3028043910
NSIZE=883156992
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00000]
AUDIO=1111
PGS=1
M2TS_TARGET=22462727299
USE_ORIGINAL=1
NSIZE=18000046080
FLINK=0
MLINK=0

[8ternity]

You upgraded X264 on your own and caused the error. Downgrade, and don't report problems that you cause for yourself.

The new X264 version has a bug related to sizing when it gets its input from an AVS... next time wait until I upgrade in the release -- that way you know it has been tested. This is a self inflicted injury.

Yes i understand. I've made just some test after trying the official released 33.04! i just want to find the trouble and trying to help you.

It's with some research that we found and resolved issues. I will submit you with official release from this issue.

Thank You.

[steveg32]

@tandi

You will see files in BDMV\JAR folder. There really isn't much I can do -- the problem is that your player doesn't support java menus in BD-9. Your only choice would be to burn to BD-25 instead of BD-5/9. Some players won't play BD-5/9 full-backups at all. At least yours appears to play the non-java ones. All BD-25 backups should work on all players. All movie-only backups should work on players that support AVCHD. But not all players will handle full backups on BD-5/9.

Just to be careful, though, I'm only assuming that this is the issue... There's also a chance it could be the format in which it was burned, the disc, or other things. I'm doing remote analysis here -- which is always dangerous.

Did you burn manually, or did BD-RB send the burn directly to ImgBurn? The reason I ask is that there are some specific configuration parameters that have to be set in ImgBurn in order to make the disc work.

Re: BD-5 & BD-9 playback problems on standalone Blu-ray players.

Also, make sure your burner drive & DVD+R/+R DL disc's Book Type are set to "Normal" and not "DVD-ROM". Many standalone B-R players cannot read BD-5 (DVD+R) & BD-9 (DVD+R DL) discs with a Book Type of "DVD-ROM". In ImgBurn, to check & change Book Type, go to > Tools > Drive > Change Book Type. This fixed all my playback issues regardless of what brand DVD+R/+R DL I burned on (although I only recommend Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden media). Good luck!

@jdobbs
U Da Bes! Mahalo brah!:)

[tandi]

@steveg32

i've change Change Book Type to normal, & i've use verbatim
but still get same problem ' a disc with unsupported format '

[Ch3vr0n]

Well then the probable cause is that your player doesnt support BD5/9

[drmih]

yeah it have BDMV\JAR folder

and you said ' I'm doing remote analysis here ' not understand what you mean

and i burn it manually
and for the first title, i use same blank disc, same burning rom and same player, but it work

can you suggest what should i do ? cause i really need to make backup to BD-9

It's quite straight forward - LG players (well the one I have) will only play compressed blu ray movies on either dvd-5 or dvd+dl if they don't have java implemented. Therefore, if there is anything in the CERTIFICATE directory (it may be there but empty) or files in the BDMV\JAR, then it won't play. It's nothing to do with settings or how you burn discs. However, if you put the files (whatever their size) on a bd-r or bd-re, then they are fine.

If you mention a title that won't play, then I'm sure one of us will confirm whether it's got java. Once again, if you play the original, and there is a point at the beginning when it has an icon or picture on the screen that either slowly changes colour, gets filled in, or does something for typically 10 to 20 seconds, then that is the java loading.

[kanerulz69]

For those that keep asking “what encode setting should I use” I ran a test using “Enemy At the Gates"
so you believe that automatic doenst seem that much difference in your opinion as to 2pass mode?

[Zot]

so you believe that automatic doenst seem that much difference in your opinion as to 2pass mode?

Actually, that's a good point - I was using all 2 pass tests. I personally can see a SLIGHT difference in a 1 pass vs 2 pass test. I just did the same clip, using the same ratio (39%) with automatic quality (1 pass ABR). A few scenes with lots of smoke billowing in the background looked a little blocky. Smoke and Fire tend to be where it can be noticeable becuase neither has discrete boundaries - its all shades of color and rapidly moving/changing. But that's me :-). Ultimately, do what's best for you. I posted test results so that you can get an idea of how long each takes and what you might see. Some movies I get I'll make a dvd5 backup as the quality of the original wasn't that great to begin with and a DVD5 looks just as good (i.e. Predators - great movie but very grainy). Others I want to maintain absolute pristine one-to-one backup (i.e. Patton) because the original is stunning in PQ. Balancing cost of blanks, time to convert, etc.

I recommend you take a favorite movie, use TSMUXER to cut a short clip (1-2 minutes) and try different encoding qualities to see what works best in your particular viewing environment.

Z

[jdobbs]

so you believe that automatic doenst seem that much difference in your opinion as to 2pass mode? You have to be careful in your description, because "Automatic" often is two-pass mode...

[Zot]

You have to be careful in your description, because "Automatic" often is two-pass mode...

You are correct :-) In this case it resulted in 1 pass but yes, I have seen 2 pass as well.

BTW - I noticed that even taking a 25GB Blu Ray movie down to AVCHD-5 STILL looks better than the same movie as a DVD on dual layer :-). You've made a great product - many thanks!

Z

[meadrocks]

You have to be careful in your description, because "Automatic" often is two-pass mode...

How do we know what settings Automatic will pick for a given movie? Can we right click on the stream & get that info?

[jdobbs]

How do we know what settings Automatic will pick for a given movie? Can we right click on the stream & get that info? You can deselect "Automatic" and you'll see the settings that were selected. The settings aren't different for individual streams (except when you've selected "Quick Encode for Extras") -- they are set based upon the complete content of the disc that will be encoded and the space that is available for output. The bitrate, however, would change from stream to stream based upon the allocation on the original disc.

[steveg32]

@steveg32

i've change Change Book Type to normal, & i've use verbatim
but still get same problem ' a disc with unsupported format '

Then you should burn to BD-25 instead of BD-5/9.

[jdobbs]

Then you should burn to BD-25 instead of BD-5/9. Or do movie-only to BD-5/9.

[meadrocks]

You can deselect "Automatic" and you'll see the settings that were selected. The settings aren't different for individual streams (except when you've selected "Quick Encode for Extras") -- they are set based upon the complete content of the disc that will be encoded and the space that is available for output. The bitrate, however, would change from stream to stream based upon the allocation on the original disc.

I typically do Movie Only to dvd5 or dvd9. Thanks for the reply.

[kanerulz69]

You have to be careful in your description, because "Automatic" often is two-pass mode...

out of all the bd rebuilder betas i have tried only the recent one i have used automatic and i have done all 3 lord of the ring blu-rays and 2012 blu-ray (usa versions) and the automatic button did all 4 movies in 1pass mode, and i have looked at all of the final results and it seems when i use to do the movies with 2pass i can tell alot of difference in the movie, i hate that cause it really does the movie alot faster, i can start a movie at night and in the afternoon its done, and with 2 pass its about 24hrs or more, so i dunno if in time 1 pass will show the same great results as 2pass or not do you?

[jdobbs]

out of all the bd rebuilder betas i have tried only the recent one i have used automatic and i have done all 3 lord of the ring blu-rays and 2012 blu-ray (usa versions) and the automatic button did all 4 movies in 1pass mode, and i have looked at all of the final results and it seems when i use to do the movies with 2pass i can tell alot of difference in the movie, i hate that cause it really does the movie alot faster, i can start a movie at night and in the afternoon its done, and with 2 pass its about 24hrs or more, so i dunno if in time 1 pass will show the same great results as 2pass or not do you? I'm still playing with settings for "Automatic" and will be tweaking it over the next few versions. In the meantime you may want to try setting the bias a little higher by using:

AUTO_BIAS=2

From the HIDDENOPTS.TXT file:

AUTO_BIAS=n -- n = 0/1/2 - Default= 1, Auto Quality bias, 0=higher speed, 1=normal, 2=higher quality

It's in the eye of the beholder -- but I personally don't see a lot of difference between one-pass and two-pass on BD-25 encodes, where it is very obvious in challenging BD-5/9 backups.

You may want to try a compromise like Good-Quality/2 pass or High-Quality/1 pass.

[tandi]

@Ch3vr0n
@steveg32
my player support BD5/9, cause i have tried another title and it play smoothly in BD5, but then i try other 2 titles, got this problem
not only my player can't play it also my Bluray writer show this problem ' a disc with unsupported format '
so i mean , after i burn with imgburn, i play it in my lg bluray rom, it got this message ' a disc with unsupported format '
if play in standalone player it will reject

@jdobbs
you said ' Or do movie-only to BD-5/9. '
is it mean i only get movie only, and no menu , etc ?

[Zot]

I'm still playing with settings for "Automatic" and will be tweaking it over the next few versions. In the meantime you may want to try setting the bias a little higher by using:

AUTO_BIAS=2



Any downside to setting bias to 2? Longer encoding time or are there potential image quality trade-offs?

Thanks,

Z

[Nerz]

I've have now been able to back up a number of blu-rays now. For that, thank you very much jdobbs, your work has been great. I am now only having one problem so far, my blu-rays re-encode, burn fine, from what i can tell. On my ps3 and my vizio blu-ray players the movies play and look great. Though its not a big problem but there is one blu-ray which i don't use that much anymore, bdp-s301 that will not play the bd-r25 backups. It says can't play disc, or no disc in tray. At first I ignored it because before the firmware update it said it was not bd-r compliant. The lastest firmware update did state it added this: "Compatibility with BD-R/RE discs burned by the Click to Disc™ and Click to Disc™ Editor software included with some VAIO® computers". I don't have this software but I have a hard time believing that only that software has the capabilities the record data that my blu-ray player can play. Since it's not a much used player it won't be big deal if get it working, just would be nice. Yes it does play original blu-rays

Just wondering, could it be because of LTH type discs? I'm using verbatim 2x bd-r LTH. Does anyone know if the BDP S301 supports LTH? I can get these discs for about $35 for 20. Any other mediums close in price?

[Zot]

Just wondering, could it be because of LTH type discs? I'm using verbatim 2x bd-r LTH. Does anyone know if the BDP S301 supports LTH? I can get these discs for about $35 for 20. Any other mediums close in price?

LTH doesn't work with all players. If these are Verbatim LTH, you can find a list of compatible players here:

http://www.verbatim.com/userfiles/file/BDR_LTHCompatibility.pdf

Also suggest this post should be moved as this is not a BD RB bug.

[drmih]

@Ch3vr0n
@steveg32
my player support BD5/9, cause i have tried another title and it play smoothly in BD5, but then i try other 2 titles, got this problem
not only my player can't play it also my Bluray writer show this problem ' a disc with unsupported format '
so i mean , after i burn with imgburn, i play it in my lg bluray rom, it got this message ' a disc with unsupported format '
if play in standalone player it will reject

@jdobbs
you said ' Or do movie-only to BD-5/9. '
is it mean i only get movie only, and no menu , etc ?

I don't usually repost but please READ the following I said earlier:

It's quite straight forward - LG players (well the one I have) will only play compressed blu ray movies on either dvd-5 or dvd+dl if they don't have java implemented. Therefore, if there is anything in the CERTIFICATE directory (it may be there but empty) or files in the BDMV\JAR, then it won't play. It's nothing to do with settings or how you burn discs. However, if you put the files (whatever their size) on a bd-r or bd-re, then they are fine.

If you mention a title that won't play, then I'm sure one of us will confirm whether it's got java. Once again, if you play the original, and there is a point at the beginning when it has an icon or picture on the screen that either slowly changes colour, gets filled in, or does something for typically 10 to 20 seconds, then that is the java loading.

... and yes he does mean movie only and obviously this has no menu.

[graffight]

hope you's can help i'm re-ecoding 40GB saving private ryan to bd25 using the latest version of bd-rebuilder i've used the same settings all the versions of bd-rebuilder i've had for eg. i do not tick the quicker encode for extras, i always use full movie and i now use automatic quality settings.

But for some reason on this particular film its creating the image at the right size and everything but when i put in the ps3 instead of it coming up as BDMV it states AVCHD.CO.UK and the disc loads the intro but the main movie won't play.

I just wondered if anyone has come across it before its only happened since I started using the latest version.

I am also using the recommended versions of FFDSHOW,Matroska Splitter and Avisynth off your first page.

thanks guys

top product by the way Jdobbs

[deank]

But for some reason on this particular film its creating the image at the right size and everything but when i put in the ps3 instead of it coming up as BDMV it states AVCHD.CO.UK and the disc loads the intro but the main movie won't play.

Probably because you downloaded the movie from avchd.co.uk site.

[hautem]

I'm still playing with settings for "Automatic" and will be tweaking it over the next few versions. In the meantime you may want to try setting the bias a little higher by using:

AUTO_BIAS=2

A little confused and just looking for clarification:

AUTO_QUALITY=n n = 0/1 - Default=1?, 0=Off, 1=On (Menu Selectable)
AUTO_BIAS=n n = 0/1/2 - Default= 1, Auto Quality bias, 0=higher speed, 1=normal, 2=higher quality (From the HIDDENOPTS.TXT file)
ENCODE_QUALITY=n n = 0/1/2/3 - Default= 2, 0=Good (Very Fast), 1=Better (Fast), 2=High Quality (Default), 3=Highest (Very Slow) (Menu Selectable)
ONEPASS_ENCODING=n n=0/1 - 0=One Pass (CRF) Encoding, 1=One Pass (ABR) Encoding (Menu Selectable)

Is there a difference between AUTO_BIAS and ENCODE_QUALITY or is AUTO_BIAS an extension of ENCODE_QUALITY when having chosen AUTO_QUALITY=1?

I've noticed on sources in the 25-30GB range (e.g. "The Bad Lieutenant", "Dr. Strangelove") targeted to full disc BD9, that "Automatic" is selecting ENCODE_QUALITY=0 Good (Very Fast) and ONEPASS_ENCODING=1 (1-Pass ABR) - with "Quicker" Encode for Extras either checked or unchecked. That combination is great for speed (under 3 hrs), but marginal quality on the main movie and noticeably blocky on the smaller files. For the sake of argument, is it possible to select ENCODE_QUALITY=3 Highest (Very Slow) and ONEPASS_ENCODING=1 (1-Pass ABR) and how would AUTO_BIAS=n have an effect on that?

I'm still experimenting and have only tried a few encodes using the "Automatic" setting so far, but just trying to understand how some of the options work in conjunction with each other. I've had excellent results using 2-Pass, High Quality (Default) targeted to full disc BD9 (custom 8210 MB), but reducing the 8-10 hour encoding routine while still maintaining that level of video quality would be nice (if possible).

[jdobbs]

Any downside to setting bias to 2? Longer encoding time or are there potential image quality trade-offs?

Thanks,

Z The threshold for selecting the next higher setting gets lowered. So on some encodes you will see longer times.

[jdobbs]

A little confused and just looking for clarification:

AUTO_QUALITY=n n = 0/1 - Default=1?, 0=Off, 1=On (Menu Selectable)
AUTO_BIAS=n n = 0/1/2 - Default= 1, Auto Quality bias, 0=higher speed, 1=normal, 2=higher quality (From the HIDDENOPTS.TXT file)
ENCODE_QUALITY=n n = 0/1/2/3 - Default= 2, 0=Good (Very Fast), 1=Better (Fast), 2=High Quality (Default), 3=Highest (Very Slow) (Menu Selectable)
ONEPASS_ENCODING=n n=0/1 - 0=One Pass (CRF) Encoding, 1=One Pass (ABR) Encoding (Menu Selectable)

Is there a difference between AUTO_BIAS and ENCODE_QUALITY or is AUTO_BIAS an extension of ENCODE_QUALITY when having chosen AUTO_QUALITY=1?

I've noticed on sources in the 25-30GB range (e.g. "The Bad Lieutenant", "Dr. Strangelove") targeted to full disc BD9, that "Automatic" is selecting ENCODE_QUALITY=0 Good (Very Fast) and ONEPASS_ENCODING=1 (1-Pass ABR) - with "Quicker" Encode for Extras either checked or unchecked. That combination is great for speed (under 3 hrs), but marginal quality on the main movie and noticeably blocky on the smaller files. For the sake of argument, is it possible to select ENCODE_QUALITY=3 Highest (Very Slow) and ONEPASS_ENCODING=1 (1-Pass ABR) and how would AUTO_BIAS=n have an effect on that?

I'm still experimenting and have only tried a few encodes using the "Automatic" setting so far, but just trying to understand how some of the options work in conjunction with each other. I've had excellent results using 2-Pass, High Quality (Default) targeted to full disc BD9 (custom 8210 MB), but reducing the 8-10 hour encoding routine while still maintaining that level of video quality would be nice (if possible). Several of the settings you mentioned are not meant to be manually modified and are set by menu selections. Only the items listed in "HIDDENOPTS.TXT" are meant to be directly user modifiable.

AUTO_BIAS isn't an extension of ENCODE_QUALITY. AUTO_BIAS simply sets thresholds for when BD-RB changes settings to higher quality levels (ENCODE_QUALITY) when in "Automatic" mode (AUTO_QUALITY). You will find that there actually is a time when BD-B will select "High Quality" and One-Pass when in "Automatic" mode.

If you like using two-pass -- then use it. You just have to deselect "Automatic"..

[hautem]

Several of the settings you mentioned are not meant to be manually modified and are set by menu selections. Only the items listed in "HIDDENOPTS.TXT" are meant to be directly user modifiable.

AUTO_BIAS isn't an extension of ENCODE_QUALITY. AUTO_BIAS simply sets thresholds for when BD-RB changes settings to higher quality levels (ENCODE_QUALITY) when in "Automatic" mode (AUTO_QUALITY). You will find that there actually is a time when BD-B will select "High Quality" and One-Pass when in "Automatic" mode.

If you like using two-pass -- then use it. You just have to deselect "Automatic"..

Thanks - understand manually modified vs. menu items - just wanted to make sure I understood what menu items were being translated to what specific line items in the .ini file vs. those that may be added in hiddenopts etc.

I probably have it backwards, but I would have thought that more robust encoding would be indicated in "Automatic" when compressing (if that's the right word) to a smaller space - e. g. 1-Pass ABR seems fine from all accounts going to BD25, but maybe at times not so well going to BD9. Plus, it's bypassing "Better" altogether and down to "Good" in the encoding quality calculation for the two that I mentioned. Maybe I'll give 1-Pass ABR at the "High Quality" setting a try and see how that nets out speed vs. pic quality. Yes, 2-Pass at "High Quality" has been a no-brainer for me full disc to BD9 across the board. Maybe there's no free lunch here.

BTW - for anyone that may be interested in evaluating video quality on a still frame basis (saw this in another post), you can do screen captures in VLC Media Player playing .mt2s files. I leave the output format set to .png (.jpg appears far too compressed) in preferences and use single frame advance to navigate. The time counter doesn't seem to work for .mt2s files, so you'll have to wing it to capture identical frames. I use Irfanview to quickly toggle between captures.

[jdobbs]

I've updated the first post of this thread with a new version of BD Rebuilder (v0.33.05). The changes for this release are:- Corrected an error in which "?" may appear in the
label name for certain types of non-western characters.
Now if a "?" is found it is replaced by "X".
- Added an new audio option under setup. You can now
select to reencode audio to 192Kbs 2ch AC3 audio
rather than 5.1 AC3 (448Kbs/640Kbs).
- Made a update to the X264 command line to distinguish
between TFF and BFF interlaced sources. In previous
versions it was possible for a BFF source (rare) to
be encoded as TFF and cause "jitter".
- Corrected an error in which some MPEG-2 interlaced
sources might not be tested for pulldown or BFF flags.
- Corrected an error in which 576i sources that use
pulldown might be incorrectly interpreted.
- Changed the default value for DEINTERLACE and added it
to the SETUP dialog. Now that X264 has more inclusive
default (non-patched) support for interlacing, BD-RB
will no longer deinterlace by default. You can change
the desired action by setting the "Use DECOMB on
interlaced sources" selection of the video options in
SETUP.
- Made a change to the AVS files generated by BD-RB so
they don't conflict with the new interleaving added
to X264 r1542.
- Fixed an error in the "Automatic" quality selection
code that could have made it more likely to use 1 pass
encoding on BD-5 encodes than was intended.
- Updated the included version of X264.EXE to the
latest release (r1542).
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.

[Alarven]

A big hello jdobbs really thank you for such hard work that makes such excellent program as it is BD Rebuilder BETA and see if I can help I have a problem with the True HD audio does not get to do a Back Up of 50 to 25 gb because ffdshow will not let me encode the ACDC_NO_BULL bluray if you can tell me how to get the two TRUE HD audio and LPCM thanks.

[Alarven]

Here you put the problem that gives me see if I can help thank you very much for your understanding. excuse me my English is not very good.

description:

[11:49:53] BD Rebuilder v0.33.05 (beta)
- Source: ACDC_NO_BULL
- BD Input size: 44.77 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:58:20.856]
- BD Target size: 22.66 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Audio Settings: AC3 = 1 DTS HD = 0 = 1 = 192 Kbs
[11:49:53] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:49:53] Extracting A / V streams [VID_00016]
- [11:49:54] Reencoding: VID_00016 (1 of 7)
- [11:49:54] Collecting information video
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate / Length: 29.970 fps, 30 frames
- [11:49:54] Reencoding: VID_00016, Pass 1 of 1
- [11:49:56] Video Encode complete
- [11:49:56] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- ERROR in Attempt to reencode audio (Aften) [AUD_00016__4352.AVS]
[11:51:35] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted

[Alarven]

1- imagen

http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/previo/thump_439268420100421-12-04-29.png

2- imagen
http://s3.subirimagenes.com:81/imagen/previo/thump_439269220100421-12-05-14.png

Thanks for your help

[jdobbs]

1- imagen

http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/previo/thump_439268420100421-12-04-29.png

2- imagen
http://s3.subirimagenes.com:81/imagen/previo/thump_439269220100421-12-05-14.png

Thanks for your help It's probably the 96Khz sample rate of the original that is causing the issue. I'll look at it.

[tandi]

@drmih
hi, yes, i understand
what i mean , if this affect also to my pc ? , cause when i play in my pc
it got same message ' a disc with unsupported format '

[hautem]

I've updated the first post of this thread with a new version of BD Rebuilder (v0.33.05).

Whatever you did re: "fixing "Automatic" quality selection code that could have made it more likely to use 1 pass encoding on BD-5 encodes than was intended" appears to apply to BD9 as well. Out of the two sources I mentioned earlier, it selected "High Quality" for both and 1-Pass ABR for the 25GB source and 2-Pass for the 30GB source (v0.33.04 was previously selecting "Good" and 1-Pass for both).

Thanks much. I'll keep trying "Automatic" and see what shakes out speed vs. quality on the BD9 front.

[Zot]

@drmih
hi, yes, i understand
what i mean , if this affect also to my pc ? , cause when i play in my pc
it got same message ' a disc with unsupported format '

What program (and what version) are you using to play the disc?
What was used to burn the disc?
Is the disc an DVD5, DVD9, BDR?
Was it burned as an AVCHD?
Using clipinf.edit (from clownbd site) open the clip file. Does it say it's AVCHD or Blu ray?


Z

[SoniG]

Hi jdobbs, thanks for the improvements and fixes you provided on your last update.
When a main movie+PiP is encoded, I noticed the main movie is well encoded with the quality set, but the secondary movie is always encoded in 1pass, ultrafast mode and the x264 Tweaks bypassed. I noticed this with quicker extras unchecked and 2-pass Highest Quality set.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs, thanks for the improvements and fixes you provided on your last update.
When a main movie+PiP is encoded, I noticed the main movie is well encoded with the quality set, but the secondary movie is always encoded in 1pass, ultrafast mode and the x264 Tweaks bypassed. I noticed this with quicker extras unchecked and 2-pass Highest Quality set. The secondaries are always encoded with a fixed CRF that is determined by the output size. That guarantees a specific quality level.

[SoniG]

Mmmh, ok for the rc to CRF, but shouldn't the quality preset be a bit better than ultrafast? That gives sometimes ugly result compared to default or slow preset. Fortunately most of the time secondaries are reduced on playback.

[jdobbs]

Mmmh, ok for the rc to CRF, but shouldn't the quality preset be a bit better than ultrafast? That gives sometimes ugly result compared to default or slow preset. Fortunately most of the time secondaries are reduced on playback. No, that shouldn't be the case. It will give you the quality associated with the CRF. You'd just use a little more bitrate than a higher quality setting.