BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs if it's not too much to ask could you build an exe with the split built in? I just want to see if that would work. I've never seen split.exe run along side other processes ever anyway. Only the x264's. I just can't get it to work and really doubt av is at fault here. It wasn't on my old system with win 7.I'm positive it isn't the split software as I use it all the time and it hasn't changed since 2012. It's been so long since I even looked at that code that I'd rather not mess with it.

[Lathe]

Not weird. Unless you are doing an archive, it doesn't reencode unless it has to.

No, I mean 'weird' in the sense that I did EVERYTHING you said to do, including the FIXED_CRF=18 in the ini, and it STILL insists on 'thinking' that it has a full BD-25 to fill, instead of just simply encoding it at CRF 18 and discounting the output size like it is supposed to (thus the 'not needing to re-encode' as you said, whereas it DOES bloody need to re-encode at CRF 18, but it refuses to do it)

Since I couldn't get ANY way to work for BDRB to do a simple CRF 1-pass backup at all (either it insists on using the output size or in the case of ANY encodes I do with DirectShow, regardless of what Blu-ray I use, I ALWAYS get the same AnyDVD error, even though I don't use that, so I just went ahead and figured out the cmd line instructions for x264 to do a CRF 18 encode and it worked just fine.

I WILL say though JD that you are quite right about the compression (now that I FINALLY was able to do it using the CMD line) I took the film 'EXTRAORDINARY TALES', the film itself being about 15 Gigs, and using the CMD line I re-encoded it using CRF 18 as you suggested, and the video part came out to only 3 Gigs! WOW! NOW, even if I can't seem to get BDRB to do it, if I can at least start backing up my Blu-rays using the CMD line using CRF 18, I will start saving a LOT of space, thanks to you! :D

[mparade]

@jdobbs

Does BD-RB support HE-AAC encoding for mkv containers?
As far as I know, it could encode more efficiently than LC-AAC. (for 5.1 streams one could get "excellent" audio quality using as low bitrate as 320 kbit/s, and for 7.1 streams the same level of quality can be reached by using only a bitrate of 448 kbit/s. Such low bitrates can't be obtained by using LC-AAC encoding profile. Very good encoders are Fraunhofer FDK and QAAC, as far as I know.

[jdobbs]

It's my understanding the HE-AAC is really meant for very low bitrates. But to answer your question, no, BD-RB doesn't currently support HE-AAC. I'm not sure if FAAC supports it. But if you're using NeroAACEnc it should be pretty easy to add it as an option for ALTERNATE output. In fact it may already be automatically used based on the bitrate settings, but I'm not positive.

[Sharc]

sigh...

I STILL haven't got this right... :mad:

I thought I set everything as you suggested and all BDRB did was keep everything original because it was apparently STILL shooting for a BD-25 size!

What the heck am I missing...??!

Here is the log:

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[07/24/16] BD Rebuilder v0.50.17
[21:50:21] Source: VID_00020
- Input BD size: 15.65 GB
........
What BD Source is this? An already preprocessed single file / import? Why are you insisting on archive mode for just compressing a single file? Why not simply using the regular Movie only mode with FIXED_CRF=18? I don't get it .....

[Lathe]

What BD Source is this? An already preprocessed single file / import? Why are you insisting on archive mode for just compressing a single file? Why not simply using the regular Movie only mode with FIXED_CRF=18? I don't get it .....

I tried that. And, as I said before the ONLY way BDRB will allow a 1-pass CRF encode is using DirectShow. And... EVERY bloody time I try to use Directshow I get the EXACT same error regardless of the Blu-ray. And, NO, it is not a 'pre-processed' file, it is simply the movie only file that I drew out of the Blu-ray rip to process by itself, mainly because I am try to simplify my steps as much as possible (in other words give BDRB the simplest input) to make the dang thing work. And it won't.

In the post above I made it clear that I ALSO tried what you are suggesting and I got the error. But that is okay (even though I would really LOVE to understand why it's not working...) because I finally figured out the CMD line to do a CRF 18 encode with the m2ts file, and as JD said, the compression is amazing and will hopefully help me now save more space!

It would certainly be NICE to be able to use BDRB because it would be easier, but as long as the encode actually produces a playable Blu-ray that my OPPO will play, I am happy :)

[Sharc]

@Lathe
you could put
FORCE_ENCODE=1
in your ini.

But I would recommend to flush everything and start with a fresh install of BD RB and auxiliary tools, without any twists and tweaks - except FIXED_CRF=18 - to begin with, and select Movie-only Backup with One Pass (CRF) Encoding.

[Lathe]

@Lathe
you could put
FORCE_ENCODE=1
in your ini.

But I would recommend to flush everything and start with a fresh install of BD RB and auxiliary tools, without any twists and tweaks - except FIXED_CRF=18 - to begin with, and select Movie-only Backup with One Pass (CRF) Encoding.

Yeah, you're probably right... :)

I'll give that a try, thanks!

[Lathe]

Nope, no go...

exactly the same thing happens. Not only does it continue to set an output size, but I also get the omnipresent 'AnyDVD' error, which as I mentioned before, happens EVERY time with DirectShow no matter what file I use and no matter what Blu-ray it's from. And again, I NEVER use that feature with AnyDVD...

BDRB log:

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[07/27/16] BD Rebuilder v0.50.17
[01:41:21] Source: __VID_00000
- Input BD size: 21.72 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:56:25.937]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Quality: Good (Very Fast), CRF
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[01:41:21] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [01:41:21] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [01:41:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [01:43:46] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 167,495 frames
- [01:43:46] Encoding using constant rate factor.
- Encode failed. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.17
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Working Path Free Space: 71.82GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD Remove Short Titles: Incompatible
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[01:43:47] - Failed video encode, aborted


Ini settings:

-----------------------------------

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.17
ENCODER=0
MODE=3
ENCODE_QUALITY=0
ONEPASS_ENCODING=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
FIXED_CRF=18
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
RESIZE_720=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
IGNORE_3D=1
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AUDIO_DRC=0
DECODER=0
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
NEROAAC=0
SUPTITLE=0
PGSTOSRT=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=C:\_______MEDIA\_BDRB\
SOURCE_PATH=C:\_______MEDIA\__TSMUXER\

Thanks for the suggestion though Sharc!

[Lathe]

I was curious about the 'perceived quality' of CRF...

Since for now I have to use the CMD line to encode with CRF, I am really surprised at how small the file sizes are coming out for Blu-ray movie files. I'll attach a snapshot of the encoder so you all can see what the CMD line looks like and how long it takes, etc. Another thing that is amazing is how much faster it is using the CRF 18, even with the fairly high x264 'tweak' settings that I am using (basically the same tweaks that I would use with BDRB with the default 'High' setting) Now, not only does it only take maybe around 3 1/2 hours for a 22 Gig movie file, but the file size comes out anywhere around 5-7 Gigs or so, which is amazing. Comparatively, what I always used to do when backing up Blu-rays when there was a fair amount of compression to be used (say from a 44 Gig Blu-ray to a BD-25) BDRB with 2 passes and the tweaks would generally take overnight around 8 - 10 hours.

So, what I am really curious about is when doing it the way I used to I would of course end up with a BD-25 size and a very healthy bit rate of maybe around 20,000+ But, since CRF 18 is supposed to be such a high quality setting (supposedly 'transparent') and yet the file size comes out at about 1/3 or less and obviously with a lot lower bit rate (I think the DOS window show the [average ?] bit rate of the encode when finished) So, my question is, since the CRF 18 is supposed to be such a 'transparent' setting, how the hell can the file size and the resulting bit rate be THAT small? I mean, is it possible for it to look truly transparent...? I guess I'm not used to thinking that such a small file could possibly look that good.

Any thoughts or input would be great!

[Sharc]

@Lathe
Some progress is obvious:
[01:41:21] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [01:41:21] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [01:41:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [01:43:46] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 167,495 frames
- [01:43:46] Encoding using constant rate factor.
Means the CRF=18 kicked in!

Secondly:
- Use the original disc source, not some pre-extracted VID or whatever
- Exit AnyDVD before starting BD RB. I assume you have the decrypted version of the disc on your HD, so you don't need to keep AnyDVD running.

As for CRF quality:
CRF 18 is very good. You can rely on it, you may however want to leave the encoder setting at High Quality (default). The file size however depends much on the source. A grainy or noisy source will produce much larger file sizes than a "clean" source.
Of course CRF 1-pass is always much faster than 2-pass because it does the job in 1 pass. 1-pass CRF versus 2-pass encodes has been discussed exhaustively in the x264 thread etc. Just google for it.

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Some progress is obvious:
[01:41:21] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [01:41:21] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [01:41:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [01:43:46] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 167,495 frames
- [01:43:46] Encoding using constant rate factor.
Means the CRF=18 kicked in!

Secondly:
- Use the original disc source, not some pre-extracted VID or whatever
- Exit AnyDVD before starting BD RB. I assume you have the decrypted version of the disc on your HD, so you don't need to keep AnyDVD running.

As for CRF quality:
CRF 18 is very good. You can rely on it, you may however want to leave the encoder setting at High Quality (default). The file size however depends much on the source. A grainy or noisy source will produce much larger file sizes than a "clean" source.
Of course CRF 1-pass is always much faster than 2-pass because it does the job in 1 pass. 1-pass CRF versus 2-pass encodes has been discussed exhaustively in the x264 thread etc. Just google for it.

Thanks Sharc!

No, I do not have AnyDVD running while using BDRB. Appreciate the input about CRF too. Yeah, I've read until my eyes fell out (well, they got better...) about CRF vs 2 Pass, so I know what you mean. I was just SO bloody surprised at how small the file sizes turned out to be and how much lower the bit rate is.

The only time I get the error is using DirectShow, which is unfortunately the only way BDRB will do CRF. So, I'll just stay with the CMD line for now.

So, if I may get your thoughts (and anyone else's too!) what do you personally think about how the resulting quality will look like comparing the way I used to do it (doing a 2 Pass 'High' quality w/tweaks upping a lot of the x264 to 'Slow' setting, but within what my OPPO will play) yielding a high bitrate BD-25 or doing it this way with CRF 18, also with the exact same high tweaks and settings, but yielding about 1/3 the size and bitrate...?

I mean... other than the REAL hard core videophiles here (the ones that use 'Slower', subme 10, placebo, etc...) most here, including JD very glibly (and I mean that respectfully) say that everything looks just the same and you won't see any differences, and more isn't necessary, etc., etc... BUT... like I say, I'm honestly NOT a total fanatic like a lot of these other guys who use such extreme settings, BUT, I really DO consider myself a serious Audio/Videophile and I really DO want to be as sure as possible that I am getting a VERY close to original 'perceived' quality as I can for my 50" screen. I KNOW it's totally subjective, but my concerns run just about in the middle of the extreme guys and JD and Chevr0n and some of the others who just say throw it on 'Auto' and forget about it...

Any opinions on what I REALLY will be 'seeing' when I watch these as compared to the way I used to do it...? Perhaps from the guys here who are pretty particular and moderately demanding about the quality. I mean, I KNOW that the real anal people here (uh, meaning their very critical, demanding nature, not necessarily their personal proclivities...) just FEEL better by bringing out all the Big Guns that they can and wringing out every POSSIBLE bit of quality then can. But, I honestly would like to strive for a balance, based more upon actually what a person will or can see with their eyes, but still being fairly critical.

Thanks!

Just hard to wrap my tiny little mind around, I guess... :cool:

[gonca]

@Lathe
I use CRF 18 High Quality (medium) all the time, only tweak is --tune film
Quality is, to me, excellent

PS
AnyDVD Remove Short Titles: Incompatible
Uncheck this setting
If it is not selected toggle it a few times
If this doesn't work Uninstall ANYDVD completely, use CCleaner on the registry, then re-install to see if it clears up
Do not use these kind of settings on the backup that BDRB wiil be using for the backup

[Lathe]

@Lathe
I use CRF 18 High Quality (medium) all the time, only tweak is --tune film
Quality is, to me, excellent

PS

Uncheck this setting
If it is not selected toggle it a few times
If this doesn't work Uninstall ANYDVD completely, use CCleaner on the registry, then re-install to see if it clears up
Do not use these kind of settings on the backup that BDRB wiil be using for the backup

Thanks Gonca!

Yeah, believe me, I do NOT use that setting at all. And, to be honest, I've used files from MANY sources (yeah, yeah... I know...) with BDRB thousands of times and it is ONLY with the DirectShow filters that I ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS get that error. Heh... I don't know how much clearer I can say it or how many times I post the logs, PLEASE, everyone understand:

1. I NEVER use the AnyDVD 'short titles, etc.' setting, ever!

2. And... EVERY file, EVERY Blu-ray, EVERY time with DirectShow no matter WHAT I use, Kosher or not, EVERY time it kicks out that error. Soooooo... I'm clearly no expert, but I'm kinda starting to think, what...? Just MAYBE my DirectShow filters are screwy or perhaps not set right...? :)

It makes NO difference, I ALWAYS get the error...

After saying this, I probably SHOULD then go back and re-install the DirectShow filters from page 1, right? I did do a complete re-install of BDRB as was suggested before and left all 'tweaks' off with only CRF 18 set in my ini, but I haven't re-installed the DirectShow filters yet.

BTW, how do you use the CRF prediction, assuming that I ever get it to work...?

Thanks!

[Ch3vr0n]

Post an image (or link to one) of the anydvd program settings. Either one or both of those settings have to be active or bdrb wouldn't throw that message.

[Lathe]

Post an image (or link to one) of the anydvd program settings. Either one or both of those settings have to be active or bdrb wouldn't throw that message.

No, like I've repeatedly said, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

But, let's just forget about that. Everyone keeps harping on that and I've said until I'm blue in the face that it doesn't matter WHAT file or Blu-ray I use, or for that matter which decrypter I have used. DirectShow spits out that error EVERY time whether I've even used AnyDVD as the decrypter or not.

Let's just forget about that part; I am VERY weary of repeating myself, okay? It doesn't matter now; I will just use the CMD line.

Obviously, the WHOLE bloody time I've had my filters set of LAVF, I have never, EVER, EVER, EVER gotten that error, no matter what Blu-ray I have use with BDRB, like the last thousand times, okay?

So, what...? The VERY first time I have to switch over to DirectShow because I absolutely HAVE to in order for BDRB to process a CRF 1-pass encode, and then and ONLY then I get my VERY first error about this? And, not only that, but with EVERY subsequent attempt using DirectShow it happens?

Yeah... so like it's my AnyDVD settings when the last thousand encodes using LAVF have been perfectly fine.

But, thanks for the help anyway. Let's just drop this one since it doesn't matter anyway, okay?

[gonca]

@Lathe
I don't use prediction, I use straight CRF
See the screenshot I posted a page or two ago

[Lathe]

@Lathe
I don't use prediction, I use straight CRF
See the screenshot I posted a page or two ago

That's fine; I'm just curious as to what it does and how you use it.

No biggie, doesn't matter...

[Ch3vr0n]

That incompatibility setting isn't thrown by ffdshow nor lav folders but bdrb because either those settings are active or the source you're using has it active. Refusing to do the screenshot sounds to me like you don't want to troubleshoot the issue.

[gonca]

I use the FIXED_CRF=18 option
--tune film tweak
and select One Pass CRF from setup
Also use High quality
That is it... no special settings

[Lathe]

That incompatibility setting isn't thrown by ffdshow nor lav folders but bdrb because either those settings are active or the source you're using has it active. Refusing to do the screenshot sounds to me like you don't want to troubleshoot the issue.

Geez Ch3vr0n... Okay, I'm posting a frigg'n screet shot of my damn AnyDVD settings. WHAT, do you think I'm frigg'n BLIND and don't know how the hell to check or uncheck boxes...???

BUT... to make YOU the overlord of all that is Holy happy, I'm attaching a shot of the settings panel showing, YEP, you guessed it..., the check boxes are NOT frigg'n checked for the short titles things...

Happy...?

You can be a REAL pain sometimes Bro... (sorry JD, but this guys demanding and insulting nature when you have made it CLEAR that you are not doing something really gets annoying...)

[Lathe]

I use the FIXED_CRF=18 option
--tune film tweak
and select One Pass CRF from setup
Also use High quality
That is it... no special settings

Hmmm, how does that help Gonca...? I appreciate your effort, but what is the difference between adding my own x264 tweaks (deblock -2, -2, etc) and merely using --tune film? I will try it, but I don't see right off hand how that will make a difference.

Thanks though. Basically you are doing pretty much what I WANT to do, but I keep getting the error. UNLIKE Ch3vr0n, I feel that it must be something universally wrong with my DirectShow settings or install or something. OBVIOUSLY when it just spits out the same error every time even though, for example, you KNOW that the Blu-ray you are using that you used DVDFab that time or MakeMKV to do the decrypting, CLEARLY it is something else.

But, like I said... Really it is okay, I am WELL past the point of caring now; for the CRF, unless someone actually comes up with a REAL solution, or if I actually get around to re-installing my DirectShow filters, I will be perfectly happy using the CMD line.

I do appreciate your trying to help me though Gonca! :)

[gonca]

but what is the difference between adding my own x264 tweaks

Time / speed of encode
Compare and if you can see the difference use the settings that you like better
That is how I use the CRF setting, simple and with good results
PS
I use DGDecNV for frame serving

[Lathe]

Time / speed of encode
Compare and if you can see the difference use the settings that you like better
That is how I use the CRF setting, simple and with good results
PS
I use DGDecNV for frame serving

AHA! Thanks, I didn't know that you could use that frame server and still do this. I will definitely try that now. And yes, I see what you mean Gonca in just making it simpler. Sure, I understand and you probably are right. I guess I just like to tweak things a little more, but tweak--film is pretty decent in itself. I just like to bump up (down) the deblocking a bit and bump up the psychovisual just a tad :)

[Ch3vr0n]

I'm just trying to rule out everything. It wouldn't be the first time someone said something is enabled or disabled and it turned out to be the opposite. Nothing overlord, bossy or rude about it. Just trying to rule out all variables, that's all there is too it.

[Lathe]

I'm just trying to rule out everything. It wouldn't be the first time someone said something is enabled or disabled and it turned out to be the opposite. Nothing overlord, bossy or rude about it. Just trying to rule out all variables, that's all there is too it.

All right, all right... Just sounded kind of insulting when I repeatedly stated that I DIDN'T use that feature in AnyDVD.

Sometimes I forget how bloody THOROUGH you are! :cool:

[gonca]

Just to clear something up (and if I am wrong I hope Jdobbs sees it and corrects me)
CRF prediction... Fixed (predetermined) size that will use CRF encoding>>that is why BDRB has to predict a CRF value---known size but unknown quality until after prdeiction
FIXED_CRF encoding...final size is unknown but quality is "constant"---unknown size until finished but predetermined quality

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I reported an issue here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1761182#post1761182), (see post #23810 ... 23814) which seems to be still the same with latest release.

The source is 1920x1080i25 (progressive video flagged as interlaced for Blu-ray compliance).
The 1280x720 .mkv alternate output which I am getting is 25fps, either flagged as --fake interlaced, or encoded as interlaced (MBAFF). Both do not make much sense IMO.
It should be either 23.976 or 50 fps (frame doubling or pulldown) progressive.
The conversion works well for BD output b.t.w., hence I assume the solution to the alternate output problem is close.....

Any thoughts?

[Sharc]

I tried that. And, as I said before the ONLY way BDRB will allow a 1-pass CRF encode is using DirectShow. And... EVERY bloody time I try to use Directshow I get the EXACT same error regardless of the Blu-ray. And, NO, it is not a 'pre-processed' file, it is simply the movie only file that I drew out of the Blu-ray rip to process by itself, mainly because I am try to simplify my steps as much as possible (in other words give BDRB the simplest input) to make the dang thing work. And it won't.

In the post above I made it clear that I ALSO tried what you are suggesting and I got the error. But that is okay (even though I would really LOVE to understand why it's not working...) because I finally figured out the CMD line to do a CRF 18 encode with the m2ts file, and as JD said, the compression is amazing and will hopefully help me now save more space!

It would certainly be NICE to be able to use BDRB because it would be easier, .........
Please post the pinfo.inf (from from the pseudo folder) which belongs to your VID_xxxxx source for which BDRB fails.

[Lathe]

Please post the pinfo.inf (from from the pseudo folder) which belongs to your VID_xxxxx source for which BDRB fails.

There is no pinfo.inf file because there is no pseudo folder. The m2ts movie file is ripped straight from the Blu-ray, so it is already fully compliant and doesn't need any adjustments as would, say, a MKV file or something else.

Appreciate the thought, but I am now successfully using the CMD line and it is working just fine. I did another CRF 18 encode last night with a Blu-ray video file of about 25 Gigs, and it ended up being a little less than 6 Gigs! And, even though it is a film FILLED with action, damn if the bloody thing didn't look awesome too! :D

I'm really impressed with the CRF 18 encodes. I really need to give a big 'THANK YOU' to JD for telling me about it.

Also too, I really need to re-install the DirectShow filters to see if that helps...

[nozuul]

Anyone have any Idea why this may not be working?

Thanks

[07/28/16] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.17
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Working Path Free Space: 1,478.28GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[07/28/16] Systems Settings Check complete

[07/27/16] BD Rebuilder v0.50.17
[19:57:12] Source: BATMAN_V_SUPERMAN_DOJ_UE_00100
- Input BD size: 42.69 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:02:33.651]
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:57:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:57:12] Processing: VID_00042 (1 of 1)
- [19:57:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00042]
- [20:08:17] Reencoding video [VID_00042]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 262,625 frames
- Bitrate: 2,851 Kbs
- [20:08:17] Reencoding: VID_00042
- [21:27:23] Video Encode complete
- [21:27:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original core audio
[21:27:32]PHASE ONE complete
[21:27:32]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [21:27:32] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- [21:27:32] Converting 6 subtitles to DVD format.
- [21:32:40] Starting MPLEX.
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MPLEX)
[21:34:23] - Failed to REBUILD

[Lathe]

Anyone have any Idea why this may not be working?

Thanks

[07/28/16] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.17
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Working Path Free Space: 1,478.28GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[07/28/16] Systems Settings Check complete

[07/27/16] BD Rebuilder v0.50.17
[19:57:12] Source: BATMAN_V_SUPERMAN_DOJ_UE_00100
- Input BD size: 42.69 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:02:33.651]
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:57:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:57:12] Processing: VID_00042 (1 of 1)
- [19:57:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00042]
- [20:08:17] Reencoding video [VID_00042]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 262,625 frames
- Bitrate: 2,851 Kbs
- [20:08:17] Reencoding: VID_00042
- [21:27:23] Video Encode complete
- [21:27:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original core audio
[21:27:32]PHASE ONE complete
[21:27:32]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [21:27:32] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- [21:27:32] Converting 6 subtitles to DVD format.
- [21:32:40] Starting MPLEX.
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MPLEX)
[21:34:23] - Failed to REBUILD

I don't know why it failed to rebuild the files and you must have a SERIOUSLY kick@ss computer for a 42 Gig movie to be re-encoded to a BD-5 using High quality in only an hour and nineteen minutes...???!! WOW! Anyway, if you saved your WORKFILES folder, all the re-encoded, audio, and subtitle files should be there. So, all you really have to do is use TSMuxer (free program) and mux the finished files in the folder into a BD-5 and your set.

[Sharc]

I don't know why it failed to rebuild the files and you must have a SERIOUSLY kick@ss computer for a 42 Gig movie to be re-encoded to a BD-5 using High quality in only an hour and nineteen minutes...???!! WOW! Anyway, if you saved your WORKFILES folder, all the re-encoded, audio, and subtitle files should be there. So, all you really have to do is use TSMuxer (free program) and mux the finished files in the folder into a BD-5 and your set.

Nope. He is encoding to DVD mpeg2, it seems.

[Sharc]

Anyone have any Idea why this may not be working?

Thanks

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- [21:32:40] Starting MPLEX.
- ERROR in attempt to mux (MPLEX)
[21:34:23] - Failed to REBUILD
Looks like MPLEX has a problem with one of the files.
- You could perhaps try to skip the subtitles
- Is the audio AC3 448kbps, or 640kbps? (I am not sure whether 640kbps would be DVD compliant, I think the maximum is 448 kbps)

You could also try to mux the files in the workfolder manually with MuxMan (free DVD muxer) and see where MuxMan complains.

[Sharc]

There is no pinfo.inf file because there is no pseudo folder. The m2ts movie file is ripped straight from the Blu-ray, so it is already fully compliant and doesn't need any adjustments as would, say, a MKV file or something else.
.........
Also too, I really need to re-install the DirectShow filters to see if that helps...
ok, no pinfo.inf. So how does the VID_xxxxx.AVS file look in the workfolder? Can you post it? Does it play in MPC-HC?

[Lathe]

Nope. He is encoding to DVD mpeg2, it seems.

DOHHHH! sorry... :o

[Lathe]

ok, no pinfo.inf. So how does the VID_xxxxx.AVS file look in the workfolder? Can you post it? Does it play in MPC-HC?

That's a good question. Next time I try it (after reinstalling my DirectShow filters, just in case...) I'll check the .AVS file. Yes, the m2ts movie file plays just fine by itself. Believe me, since I have tried every kind of file imaginable, and with ALL of them I get the error, I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with the movie file itself. But, I'll will check the .AVS file next time.

[Lathe]

Hey, one quickie about CRF...

On the encodes that I am doing with the CRF 18, I check with MediaInfo and it shows that the maximum bitrate is like 35 Mb/sec. So, does CRF have that kind of flexibility so that there are indeed times where the bitrate might actually be that high when needed? I read that when a person does a 2 Pass encode where size is specified, that basically it is just doing the first pass in order to choose what the optimum CRF will be in order to fit the target size, right? That kind of is like what JD was talking about, right, when he was telling me that when he checked what the resulting CRF was needed to fill a BD-25 was like 12.5 or something like that...? (although I don't know how he found that out)

And, from what I've read, despite the back and forth about whether CRF or 2 Pass is better and all that, does that mean then that when I do a 1 pass CRF 18 encode that it will vary the bitrate from scene to scene depending on what the '18' setting determines that it needs for any given scene? I'm using pretty much the settings of the preset 'Slow' with the exception of the few parameters that I need to change to make it Blu-ray compliant (ref 4, b frames 3, etc.) And, does the bitrate vary that much where it actually can go up to what it was on the original Blu-ray at times? If that is true, then CRF is pretty damn bitch'n because that means that it really adjusts to what the movie needs scene to scene, supposedly sort of like what the old Variable MP3 encoding was supposed to do.

I'm just trying to get a handle on what is actually going on while the CRF is encoding the film.

[gonca]

@Lathe
Re bitrate distribution
A picture is worth a few words so I've attached a screencap of bitrate viewer analyzing a movie done with the settings I mentioned

15500

[jdobbs]

So, does CRF have that kind of flexibility so that there are indeed times where the bitrate might actually be that high when needed?

...does that mean then that when I do a 1 pass CRF 18 encode that it will vary the bitrate from scene to scene depending on what the '18' setting determines that it needs for any given scene? Very much so. In fact, just like with 2 pass, BD-RB has to put limits on the high end to make sure it doesn't exceed what a BD can handle.

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Re bitrate distribution
A picture is worth a few words so I've attached a screencap of bitrate viewer analyzing a movie done with the settings I mentioned

15500

Nice, thanks Gonca! :)

Yeah, I was gonna DL Bitrate Viewer yesterday, but the documentation on their site just showed DVD stuff, not any HD. But, if it works for HD stuff too, I'll snag it, thanks!

[Lathe]

Very much so. In fact, just like with 2 pass, BD-RB has to put limits on the high end to make sure it doesn't exceed what a BD can handle.

Awesome! So, I can't see how you can frigg'n lose by using a 'high' CRF setting then. Sounds like it pretty much covers everything that is needed, regardless of the resulting file size.

This has been a REAL eye-opener for me! Thanks JD!

[jdobbs]

Awesome! So, I can't see how you can frigg'n lose by using a 'high' CRF setting then. Sounds like it pretty much covers everything that is needed, regardless of the resulting file size.

This has been a REAL eye-opener for me! Thanks JD!It's the main reason I created the ARCHIVE mode. Sometimes it's nice to have a near-perfect backup on a hard drive somewhere -- without wasting any space. All you have to do is set ARCHIVE_ENABLE=1 and ARCHIVE_CRF=18 in the INI and you can do ARCHIVE backups using CRF. It's almost the same as what you get with FIXED_CRF -- but you have the additional option of using HEVC for your backup (making it even smaller at a given quality level) if you set ARCHIVE_265=1.

[Lathe]

It's the main reason I created the ARCHIVE mode. Sometimes it's nice to have a near-perfect backup on a hard drive somewhere -- without wasting any space. All you have to do is set ARCHIVE_ENABLE=1 and ARCHIVE_CRF=18 in the INI and you can do ARCHIVE backups using CRF. It's almost the same as what you get with FORCE_CRF -- but you have the additional option of using HEVC for your backup (making it even smaller at a given quality level) if you set ARCHIVE_265=1.

Yep! I will definitely give that another try. Unfortunately though, that seems to trigger the same error when I use DirectShow every time I use it. But, I still need to get off my but and reinstall the DirectShow filters and give it another try! I don't think I've actually tried the ARCHIVE_CRF=18 specifically in the ini yet. Hang on a minute...! You said here FORCE_CRF=18 but the hidden opts text says FIXED_CRF=18...??? Did I get this wrong...?

[MrVideo]

A picture is worth a few words

Nice graph. Notice anything wrong with it?

Just noticed that the program is 5 years old, which might be a reason for it.

[gonca]

It was only meant to show the bitrate distribution, but please tell me what is wrong with it, the NTSC label?

[Lathe]

It was only meant to show the bitrate distribution, but please tell me what is wrong with it, the NTSC label?

No, no, it was an excellent example demonstrating exactly what I was wondering about how the bitrate was distributed.

Thanks!

[gonca]

It was only meant to show the bitrate distribution, but please tell me what is wrong with it, the NTSC label?

That wasn't meant for you Lathe
It was for MrVideo

[Lathe]

That wasn't meant for you Lathe
It was for MrVideo

I know... but, I was just reassuring you that I thought it was great!

[gonca]

Thanks