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MrVideo
6th August 2017, 15:15
Don't worry boss... I'm ready if Mr. Video tries anything... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/club.gif
Oh boy... I'm just shaking in my boots!!!! :eek:

MrVideo
6th August 2017, 15:18
iWhat you say is correct:
on the blu-ray associations are not present 1280x720 25p but also not present 1980x1080 25p.
but i have many blu-ray working properly with 1920x1080 25p.
Yes, the spec is one thing and the actual Blu-ray playing device is another. Most of today's players will play non-compliant discs. jdobbs tries to only produce Blu-ray compliant discs.

MrVideo
6th August 2017, 15:25
i dont know why bdrebuilder import have different behavior
1) file-> import-> mkv,m2ts,etc 1280x720 25p -> audio sync loss (because bdrb change fps to 23.976)
2) if I put mkv into tsremux and make "bluray folder" and after i use bdre -> file-> import-> BD(s) -> work properly (without change fps)
As mentioned a few times, BDRB produces Blu-ray compliant discs. tsReMuxer doesn't try to produce compliant output.

After you import the MKV files and configure the menu, DO NOT click on the Backup button. Just go into the working area and burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories onto a disc. Running the Backup process is where the 25 fps -> 23.976 fps is done.

Only import enough files to fill a 25GB disc (or a 50GB disc).

zorro101
6th August 2017, 16:37
After you import the MKV files and configure the menu, DO NOT click on the Backup button. Just go into the working area and burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories onto a disc. Running the Backup process is where the 25 fps -> 23.976 fps is done.

sorry but is not as you say
all my test descript are only with menu creator.

and i can add that the backup (for compression) is not a problem.

i tried to make 5 episode as descript (creating bd from mkv 1280x720 25p with tsremux and after import on bd-rb as multiple BD(s) )
this produce prefect menu with 5 episode and all 5 episode are 1280x720 25p. i have burned and perfect reproduct on blu-ray player, but i also test with bdedit and all 5 file are marked as 1280x720 25p.

after this i have tryed to compress the result with bd-rb and any file are processed, correctly, as 1280x720 25p.

i repeat, the only "problem" on bd-rb is the import function whith file 1280x720 25p from container mkv, ts,m2ts,etc...

thanks

jdobbs
6th August 2017, 17:54
BTW, 23.976 fps was never an analog NTSC frame rate.:rolleyes: Always a waste of breath... 23.976 is the ACTUAL frame rate for most NTSC film sources on DVD and BD. 29.97 is the rate after pulldown is applied.

jdobbs
6th August 2017, 18:01
Yes, the spec is one thing and the actual Blu-ray playing device is another. Most of today's players will play non-compliant discs. jdobbs tries to only produce Blu-ray compliant discs.Exactly. What good are standards if they aren't followed? What if someone decided that a foot is only 10 inches when building his house because it makes the calculations easier.

MrVideo
6th August 2017, 22:05
:rolleyes: Always a waste of breath... 23.976 is the ACTUAL frame rate for most NTSC film sources on DVD and BD. 29.97 is the rate after pulldown is applied.
It is the frame rate that is actually output from the analog DVD player that is NTSC. The 23.976 frame rate is not NTSC (look at the spec). 23.976 fps is now available as a native frame rate on Blu-ray releases, but that that doesn't make it "NTSC." Never has, and never will.

23.976 is available in regions B and C. Does that make it "PAL?"

MrVideo
6th August 2017, 22:18
What good are standards if they aren't followed?
Interesting that you say that. NTSC/PAL are old analog specs that so many are trying to apply to the digital world.

Interesting note for both NTSC and PAL is that both are COLOR specs, added to the existing B&W broadcast standards. NTSC does modify the existing 30 fps B&W spec, to get 29.97 color to work (even though color would have worked @ 30 fps and we wouldn't have this 29.97/23.976 mess) and PAL added color to the existing B&W 25 fps. In other words, the broadcast specs for 30 fps and 25 fps came about long before NTSC or PAL. And none of the broadcast specs include 23.976/24 fps as broadcast frame rates. They include specs on how to handle said frame rates for broadcast (not part of NTSC or PAL).

MrVideo
6th August 2017, 22:31
sorry but is not as you say
all my test descript[ions] are only with menu creator.
It would have been nice if what you said in this posting would have been originally posted. It adds more detail that can help jdobbs look at the issue.

That said, I suspect that jdobbs will "fix" it so that 720p @ 25fps and 1080p @ 25fps are not available in the final output because both are not part of the Blu-ray spec. But, maybe the conversion to 23.976 could be done in the "Backup" portion of the process, leaving the original files alone during the processes before that point.

And/or, during the "Backup" portion of the process, the 720p could be converted to 50 fps (frame rate doubling) and the 1080p converted to 1080i @ 25fps. I suspect that AVISynth has filters to be able to do both. That will allow the time spectral info not to be lost.

Just a thought.

geheim
7th August 2017, 12:24
Hey jdobbs,

@videofan3d has made a nice little appliciation to keep 3d offsets for subtitles intact after reencoding with FRIM. The tool is called h264offset3d and can be found in this thread: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174563

Any chance you could integrate this in BDRebuilder?? Then we would be able to make perfect backups of 3D discs.

Two additional steps would be required: Before reencoding, the original offsets need to be extracted and after encoding they would need to be reinserted. As h264offset3d is command-line based I think this could be intergrated in BDRebuilder's workflow without too much work??
After reinserting offsets muxing can start and in this step, the subtitle streams need to be flagged to the according 3d plane as on the original disc. It would be nice if we could also choose the used flag manually (as in TSMuxer).

Any chance you could take a look at this and intergrate h264offset3d in BD Rebuilder?? Would be great, thank you very much :)

jdobbs
7th August 2017, 12:56
Hey jdobbs,

@videofan3d has made a nice little appliciation to keep 3d offsets for subtitles intact after reencoding with FRIM. The tool is called h264offset3d and can be found in this thread: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174563

Any chance you could integrate this in BDRebuilder?? Then we would be able to make perfect backups of 3D discs.

Two additional steps would be required: Before reencoding, the original offsets need to be extracted and after encoding they would need to be reinserted. As h264offset3d is command-line based I think this could be intergrated in BDRebuilder's workflow without too much work??
After reinserting offsets muxing can start and in this step, the subtitle streams need to be flagged to the according 3d plane as on the original disc. It would be nice if we could also choose the used flag manually (as in TSMuxer).

Any chance you could take a look at this and intergrate h264offset3d in BD Rebuilder?? Would be great, thank you very much :)Yep. I read that thread, I'll see how hard it will be.

geheim
7th August 2017, 12:59
Yep. I read that thread, I'll see how hard it will be.

Awesome, thanks! I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do :)

zorro101
7th August 2017, 13:15
And/or, during the "Backup" portion of the process, the 720p could be converted to 50 fps (frame rate doubling) and the 1080p converted to 1080i @ 25fps. I suspect that AVISynth has filters to be able to do both. That will allow the time spectral info not to be lost.

Just a thought.

What I noticed is that it is not a problem of reencoding but only fps marker as tsremux that allows to change fps

However no problem, solved by make 2 steps (As already explained)
problem closed for me

now i have a question:
There is way to set a subtitle track as forced on "full backup" mode (i have found only for "movie only")?

thanks again (and sorry for my english)

jdobbs
7th August 2017, 15:08
What I noticed is that it is not a problem of reencoding but only fps marker as tsremux that allows to change fps

However no problem, solved by make 2 steps (As already explained)
problem closed for me

now i have a question:
There is way to set a subtitle track as forced on "full backup" mode (i have found only for "movie only")?

thanks again (and sorry for my english)Unfortunately not. In a full backup the code used in the original has to stay intact. In movie only mode I can rewrite the code at will.

zorro101
7th August 2017, 18:28
Unfortunately not. In a full backup the code used in the original has to stay intact. In movie only mode I can rewrite the code at will.

thanks

MrVideo
8th August 2017, 00:50
However no problem, solved by make 2 steps (As already explained)
Would you rather do it in one step and not two?

zorro101
8th August 2017, 07:57
Would you rather do it in one step and not two?

yes, i like it, but the effort for modify the program it's not worth it (specially for single person problem)
thanks

Sharc
8th August 2017, 19:47
@jdobbs
I have a number of old SVCD discs of which which I wanted to IMPORT the .mpg files, but BD Rebuilder throws the ERROR: Converting MPG container. Aborted.
The video format is MPEG Version 2 480x576i TFF 25fps DAR 4:3. The Audio is MPEG Audio Version 1 Layer2, 2 channel 128kbps, 48 kHz. The files play fine with MPC-HC.
So my question is whether it would be possible to support this format for IMPORT (not necessarily the full SVCD structure, just the .mpg container).
I am aware that this is an exotic request of probably low general interest and hence may not be worth the effort?

Lathe
8th August 2017, 22:21
@jdobbs
I have a number of old SVCD discs of which which I wanted to IMPORT the .mpg files, but BD Rebuilder throws the ERROR: Converting MPG container. Aborted.
The video format is MPEG Version 2 480x576i TFF 25fps DAR 4:3. The Audio is MPEG Audio Version 1 Layer2, 2 channel 128kbps, 48 kHz. The files play fine with MPC-HC.
So my question is whether it would be possible to support this format for IMPORT (not necessarily the full SVCD structure, just the .mpg container).
I am aware that this is an exotic request of probably low general interest and hence may not be worth the effort?

Sharc and his exotic requests... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/no.gif

MrVideo
9th August 2017, 02:39
The video format is MPEG Version 2 480x576i TFF 25fps DAR 4:3.
Not sure why BDRB wouldn't recode to 720x576i, the BD spec. The audio would need to be recoded to AC3/DTS as well.

How many of these files do you have?

Sharc
9th August 2017, 07:37
How many of these files do you have?
More than I like .... (TV captures, VHS captures, backups).
Remember there has been a pre-DVD age, and 480x576 SVCD quality was nearly as good as 720x480 DVD and always better than half-D1.
Playback of my SVCD productions have only become a problem after the death of my old DVD players. Newer players no longer support SVCD.
I can convert the files manually and still use BD-RB to put many on a BD25 and add a nice Quick-menu, but the direct route would of course be more elegant.

bryrabknowles
9th August 2017, 20:14
I would love HD-DVD import capability, at least for Main Feature. A lot of my BD-RB stuff is HD-DVD to Bluray.

Also, if that was implemented, an option to convert DD+ to LPCM would be great too, since HD-DVD allows 1.5mbps DD+ streams.

MrVideo
9th August 2017, 22:31
Versions 20 and 24.

[15:56:17] Importing: MKV
- [15:56:25] Importing video file: (1 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [15:59:36] Importing video file: (2 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [16:02:50] Importing video file: (3 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [16:06:01] Importing video file: (4 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [16:09:14] Importing video file: (5 of 5)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
[16:11:49]ERROR: Removing compression. Aborted.

I have no idea what the issue is because there is no detail in the log. It would be very helpful if the log indicated what the issue is. Is there any way to find out what the issue is?

If the video file is imported on its own, there is no issue.

UPDATE: Found it. I would have found it right away if BDRB would have listed the reason for the error. What was it? I ran out of disk space. Before you write that M$ pops up a notification that it is low on disk space, that is how I managed to discover the problem during a test. But (yes there is a but), it only stayed on the screen for about a second. Why? Because BDRB removed the working files right away, freeing up the space. The other times the notification was never displayed because the problem was removed before M$ could do the notification.

AmigaFuture
16th August 2017, 03:12
thanks Ch3vr0n; RE: PDVD doesn't seem to like the in-mux method BDRB uses. Play the disc in a standalone player and it'll play just fine.

Weird, I usually always play the BD_RB output and never had any problems with PowerDVD 14. Like they say, live and learn. I wasted two or three attempts on trying to FIX this problem. Thanks for the heads up.

I know it's an older message but I wanted to comment. PowerDVD 12 is what I mostly use. I refuse to quit it. It handles everything that BD-DB makes (I don't use 3D, and don't care about 3D). The later versions goof stuff, but the coders/programmers for 12..did some stuff right. I also watch carefully. My 2 cents.

worknstiff
16th August 2017, 13:09
@ AmigaFuture RE: The later versions goof stuff, but the coders/programmers for 12..did some stuff right. I also watch carefully. My 2 cents.
Yeah PowerDVD plays just about everything, I just hate that Arcsoft decided to quit making a player cause that was some great software too. I kept using TMT as my player of choice until Win 10 decided not to allow it.

AmigaFuture
17th August 2017, 05:27
@ AmigaFuture RE: The later versions goof stuff, but the coders/programmers for 12..did some stuff right. I also watch carefully. My 2 cents.

Yeah PowerDVD plays just about everything, I just hate that Arcsoft decided to quit making a player cause that was some great software too. I kept using TMT as my player of choice until Win 10 decided not to allow it.

Not all PowerDVD versions past 12 play everything well. Drag and Drop was broken and needed an update for 12. I refuse Windows 10. The GUI is not functional for most users as well as I; I deal with a lot of tech support.

geheim
20th August 2017, 08:29
Hi,
I've got a Problem with the FORCE_NOENCODE=1 Option.
BD-Rebuilder encodes my disc even if I set this Option in the ini file. Any ideas what I Need to Change, so that it doesn't reencode?? I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

Here's a log file:

[08.20.17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.21
[09:17:03] Source: DB
- Input BD size: 43,64 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:14:54.724]
- Target BD size: 46,26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[09:17:05] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:17:05] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 2)
- [09:17:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [09:22:03] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 155.337 frames
- Bitrate: 27.911 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
- [09:22:03] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 1
[09:22:23]PHASE ONE aborted by user request


And my ini:

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.21
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=F
ENABLE_TEST=1
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
ARCHIVE_265=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=1
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=1
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23000
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
TARGET_SIZE=47366
PRIORITY_CLASS=2
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
REMOVE_WORKING=1
FREE_PROCESSOR=0
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=35
AUTO_BLANK=0
AUTO_BURN=0
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
MULTIPROCESS=4
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
RESIZE_1440=0
KEEP_HD_LPCM=1
AUDIO_AMPLIFY=n
OUTPUT_3D=1
FULL_3D=Y
SWAP_3D=n
OUTPUT_3D_ISO=n
RESIZE_720=0
DISABLE_SLEEP=1
NEROAAC=0
IGNORE_3D=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
SUPTITLE=0
ENCODER=0
IMPORT_THRESHOLD=15
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=10
MENU_AUTO_BACKGROUND=1
MENU_PLAY_SEQUENTIAL=0
MENU_START_WITH_MENU=0
DSHOW=1
DECODER=2
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=0
AUDIO_DRC=0
PGSTOSRT=0
MENU_BACKGROUND=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\misc\menuback.jpg
MENU_AUDIO=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\tools\blankclip\blank.ac3
MENU_AUTO_DVDAUDIO=1
IMPORT_LIMIT_LANG=0
IMPORT_KEEP_PLAYALL=0


Can anyone point me in the right direction, what I Need to set so that I can create a remux without reencoding??
Thanks!

Lathe
20th August 2017, 18:48
Hi,
I've got a Problem with the FORCE_NOENCODE=1 Option.
BD-Rebuilder encodes my disc even if I set this Option in the ini file. Any ideas what I Need to Change, so that it doesn't reencode?? I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

Here's a log file:

[08.20.17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.21
[09:17:03] Source: DB
- Input BD size: 43,64 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:14:54.724]
- Target BD size: 46,26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[09:17:05] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:17:05] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 2)
- [09:17:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [09:22:03] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 155.337 frames
- Bitrate: 27.911 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
- [09:22:03] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 1
[09:22:23]PHASE ONE aborted by user request


And my ini:

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.21
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=F
ENABLE_TEST=1
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
ARCHIVE_265=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=1
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=1
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23000
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
TARGET_SIZE=47366
PRIORITY_CLASS=2
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
REMOVE_WORKING=1
FREE_PROCESSOR=0
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=35
AUTO_BLANK=0
AUTO_BURN=0
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
MULTIPROCESS=4
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
RESIZE_1440=0
KEEP_HD_LPCM=1
AUDIO_AMPLIFY=n
OUTPUT_3D=1
FULL_3D=Y
SWAP_3D=n
OUTPUT_3D_ISO=n
RESIZE_720=0
DISABLE_SLEEP=1
NEROAAC=0
IGNORE_3D=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
SUPTITLE=0
ENCODER=0
IMPORT_THRESHOLD=15
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=10
MENU_AUTO_BACKGROUND=1
MENU_PLAY_SEQUENTIAL=0
MENU_START_WITH_MENU=0
DSHOW=1
DECODER=2
QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD=0
AUDIO_DRC=0
PGSTOSRT=0
MENU_BACKGROUND=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\misc\menuback.jpg
MENU_AUDIO=J:\Downloads\BluRay\BD Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\tools\blankclip\blank.ac3
MENU_AUTO_DVDAUDIO=1
IMPORT_LIMIT_LANG=0
IMPORT_KEEP_PLAYALL=0


Can anyone point me in the right direction, what I Need to set so that I can create a remux without reencoding??
Thanks!

I am the very least of the experts here (well, with the exception maybe of gonca, depending on what he is currently smoking...) but, based upon numerous times that BDRB has 'mysteriously' re-encoded something, it almost ALWAYS is that there is something not compliant in the structure and it 'feels' that it needs to make it compliant. I know next to absolutely nothing about 3D (although I'm fairly conversant with 38DD) but, I'm guessing that there is some requirement to make it compliant.

worknstiff
20th August 2017, 19:03
@ geheim; RE: I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

I am even less of a guru here but I think if you are feeding BD Rebuilder a "real 3D" iso file that BD Rebuilder has to re-encode the file to change it from an SSIF file to an in-mux file. But if I am wrong which is extremely likely then it will make for an interesting comment from the "real" guru jdobbs.

Lathe
20th August 2017, 23:32
@ geheim; RE: I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

I am even less of a guru here but I think if you are feeding BD Rebuilder a "real 3D" iso file that BD Rebuilder has to re-encode the file to change it from an SSIF file to an in-mux file. But if I am wrong which is extremely likely then it will make for an interesting comment from the "real" guru jdobbs.

I would just like to make very clear at this point that I am much more humble and lowly than woknstiff, and that compared to my vapid nothingness, he is an arrogant son-of-a-b*tch... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

worknstiff
21st August 2017, 01:10
@ lathe RE: he is an arrogant son-of-a-b*tch...

Oh Noooooo! You must think I'm gonca, lol.

Lathe
21st August 2017, 04:43
@ lathe RE: he is an arrogant son-of-a-b*tch...

Oh Noooooo! You must think I'm gonca, lol.

Oh, right! I always get you guys confused... :cool:

geheim
21st August 2017, 10:15
I am the very least of the experts here (well, with the exception maybe of gonca, depending on what he is currently smoking...) but, based upon numerous times that BDRB has 'mysteriously' re-encoded something, it almost ALWAYS is that there is something not compliant in the structure and it 'feels' that it needs to make it compliant. I know next to absolutely nothing about 3D (although I'm fairly conversant with 38DD) but, I'm guessing that there is some requirement to make it compliant.

Thanks, but the streams are perfectly compliant, as the disc I want to remux is produced by Scenarist. As Scenarist is a professional tool, it always outputs perfectly compliant discs, however my standalone Player has some problems with FRIM-encoded streams and SSIF structure (Scenarist can only output SSIF). These problems are solved by remuxing with BDRB using the 3d in-mux structure.

@ geheim; RE: I only want to do a remux, because 3D in-mux works better for me.

I am even less of a guru here but I think if you are feeding BD Rebuilder a "real 3D" iso file that BD Rebuilder has to re-encode the file to change it from an SSIF file to an in-mux file. But if I am wrong which is extremely likely then it will make for an interesting comment from the "real" guru jdobbs.

Yes BDRB changes from SSIF to in-mux. However, if I feed BD25 Discs to BDRB it is able to remux them WITHOUT reencoding. So Encoding is not necessary to Change the Disc structure.

Thanks anyway for trying to help me!! Perhaps @jdobbs could take a look at the issue?? Again, it works with BD25 discs, but not with BD50, perhaps there is some bug with BDRB's BD50 output size?!?

CraigWally
23rd August 2017, 15:47
Thanks anyway for trying to help me!! Perhaps @jdobbs could take a look at the issue?? Again, it works with BD25 discs, but not with BD50, perhaps there is some bug with BDRB's BD50 output size?!?

Then input a custom size (greater than BD50) and test it :)

zorro101
23rd August 2017, 17:00
hi
I have a problem with PseudoBD (with memu) and ps3 as player
the menu are not displayed
if, on the ps3, i push SELECT button i can see the informations, but are all at - - (ex. time --:--:-- total time --:--:-- chapter --)
i have try with hidden options RESET_PERMISSION=0 but don't change nothing
i have try to burn on BR-RE and BD-R with the same problem
have you a tricks?
thanks
best regards

MrVideo
24th August 2017, 05:04
however my standalone Player has some problems with FRIM-encoded streams and SSIF structure (Scenarist can only output SSIF).
The fix is real easy... get a standalone player that works correctly and accepts your authored discs. :D

Lathe
24th August 2017, 05:44
The fix is real easy... get a standalone player that works correctly and accepts your authored discs. :D

DOHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif

worknstiff
24th August 2017, 18:51
RE: Lathe;1816102]DOHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif[/QUOTE]

I second that D'oh! I haven't had a Sony anything since the days of the Sony DRM rootkit. Big surprise that Sony would hamper playback of anything that has been copied, lol.

MrVideo
24th August 2017, 22:14
RE: DOHHHHHH!!! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/doh.gif
I second that D'oh! I haven't had a Sony anything since the days of the Sony DRM rootkit. Big surprise that Sony would hamper playback of anything that has been copied, lol.
Who said that the authored disc contains any copied material? If a disc is BD compliant, the player must play it. It has no way of knowing what the content is.

geheim
25th August 2017, 14:46
Well my sony plays discs from Scenarist fine - problems are only with FRIM-encoded streams in Scenarist. Maybe ist my own fault (any bad setting or something) and from BD25 I knew I could fix it easily with BDRB - which doesn't work with BD50 as explained above.
And this is not only with "copied" material - I'm producing some basic 3D content myself and these also won't work with the combination of FRIM and Scenarist.

Aside from this playback issue I love my Sony and won't replace it ;) Perhaps @jdobbs can say something to BD50 always being reencoded in BDRB eventually.

MrVideo
28th August 2017, 06:45
Well my sony plays discs from Scenarist fine - problems are only with FRIM-encoded streams in Scenarist. Maybe ist my own fault (any bad setting or something) and from BD25 I knew I could fix it easily with BDRB - which doesn't work with BD50 as explained above.
And this is not only with "copied" material - I'm producing some basic 3D content myself and these also won't work with the combination of FRIM and Scenarist.
Maybe there is an issue with Scenarist. AIUI, that program is no longer being updated. So, if there is a bug, it won't get fixed.

q90g0H5R
1st September 2017, 14:49
I stumbled across a problem which was already discussed around here (back with version 1.18): When working on a BD using multiple m2ts to build one feature (most discs which offer more than one version of a film like directors cut and theatrical version, alternate endings, different credits for different countries, ...) which use DTS-HD audio, the audio tracks can't be copied to the output (neither the full DTS-HD track nor the DTS core). Whenever I try to get DTS into the output, the player mutes on m2ts breaks (sometime audio returns on the next m2ts break, sometimes it stays muted until the end).

Back in 2009 the problem was not investigated further on, after a workaround was found: Re-encoding the audio track to AC3. But I don't think, that re-encoding to the rather poor AC3 format is an acceptable solution in 2017.

Were there any improvements on this issue in the last years? Is there another solution or workaround, which I missed?

worknstiff
2nd September 2017, 14:06
@ q90g0H5R; RE: use DTS-HD audio, the audio tracks can't be copied to the output (neither the full DTS-HD track nor the DTS core).

BD Rebuilder, at least when I use it has NO problem using DTS-HD or keeping the core, either on single m2ts or multiple m2ts disks. You did not mention what output you were encoding too. But to quote the instructions ad infinitum: WHERE???? are your logs, disks info, playback device and inspect results. The simplest way to fix MOST BD Rebuilder problems with processing disks (especially if BD Rebuilder completes successfully), is to re-move and re-install BD Rebuilder and ALL the helper programs from the FIRST page following all the instructions carefully.
Hope this helps.

MrVideo
2nd September 2017, 21:34
What is the latest with getting BDRB to ignore non-compliant DD+ audio when reading in MKV files? I have projects stacking up because more and more files are DD+. It would be great the have the temporary BDMV layout use the DD+ audio streams, untouched. I do not want to recode the audio to plain AC3. I never click on the Backup button as the BDMV layout that is initially created is what I am looking for, as I manage the number of files imported so that the layout will fit on a 25GB disc.

staina
3rd September 2017, 09:32
Hello, most recently me not function correctly option "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" during processing occurred error and I must use other option.

I want therefore ask what is difference between these options for Decoding/Frame serving and if have some influence on quality final videos?

Thank you staina

worknstiff
3rd September 2017, 14:03
@ MrVideo RE: What is the latest with getting BDRB to ignore non-compliant DD+ audio.
I have noticed that the DD+5.1 gets re-encoded to AC3 2.0, instead of just being left untouched. This at least allows you to "process" mkv files where before it didn't allow them. I then have to Mkvmerge the DD+5.1 back in later. Wish there was an untouched mode.

@ staina RE: "Use X264s internal LAVF for frame serving" during processing occurred error.
Like I posted above: The simplest way to fix MOST BD Rebuilder problems is to re-move and re-install BD Rebuilder and ALL the helper programs from the FIRST page following all the instructions carefully.

MrVideo
3rd September 2017, 16:56
I have noticed that the DD+5.1 gets re-encoded to AC3 2.0, instead of just being left untouched. This at least allows you to "process" mkv files where before it didn't allow them. I then have to Mkvmerge the DD+5.1 back in later. Wish there was an untouched mode.
Strange. For me, BDRB just plain fails when dealing with DD+ audio. When the MKV file is imported, BDRB tries to convert it and instead errors out.

jdobbs
4th September 2017, 23:42
Strange. For me, BDRB just plain fails when dealing with DD+ audio. When the MKV file is imported, BDRB tries to convert it and instead errors out.It requires Directshow support for DD+ -- it is supported in the LAV Filters installation, I'm not positive about FFDSHOW.

MrVideo
5th September 2017, 07:00
It requires Directshow support for DD+ -- it is supported in the LAV Filters installation, I'm not positive about FFDSHOW.
You never said that before, after I reported this issue.

So, I went and installed the LAV filters. Still doesn't work:
[09/05/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.24
- Windows Version: 5.2 [3790]
- Working Path Free Space: 133.98GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.5, Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[09/05/17] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[00:51:16] Importing: Import_File
- [00:51:19] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
[00:55:28]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.
This is the same result as before the LAV filter installation.

Notice that the inspector doesn't see the LAV filter installation. And yes, I even tried a reboot.

jdobbs
5th September 2017, 15:50
You never said that before, after I reported this issue.I can't even count the number of things I've never said before. It wouldn't have applied until the most recent release -- since it never tried to reencode DD+ before then. From the latest changes file:- Added code to import routines to handle
EAC3/DD+ sources. Requires LAV Filters
or FFDSHOW be installed.

I don't see "- LAVFILTERS: Ok" in your INSPECT report.