BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

Hi JDobbs and everyone!

I have a question, while I wait for the Nvidia GeForce RTX 30 series to become available again, and affordable, I have a GTX 1050 TI, that does not support "B-Frames".

Is there any function within BDRebuilder that could somehow "make up" for not supporting B-Frames?

Maybe like forcing a two pass scan or something similar. I seem to have good results with NVENC encoding, I make sure I am using recent NVidia drivers, and a recent version of the NVEncC.exe executable.

Of course I am not asking to somehow magically enable a function that my hardware is unable to do. I am asking what options I might be able to enable within BDRebuilder to make sure that my quality is as good and as small as it can be, at a given CQM, with my current graphics card.

Thank you Jdobbs and everyone for giving my question some attention!There's no requirement that your encode has b-frames for blu-ray. There is, only, an upper limit as to how many b-frames you can have in a row. So you can use your card to encode for blu-ray with only i-frames and p-frames. What you lose without b-frames is efficiency.

[BuddTX]

Thank you JDobbs!

[MrVideo]

No comments on my issue trying to do BD/UHD backups? I have no clue as to what I could have done to cause it to no longer work for me.

[jdobbs]

No comments on my issue trying to do BD/UHD backups? I have no clue as to what I could have done to cause it to no longer work for me.I thought you figured it out?Edit2: I take that back, it seems to be Quick Play mode.

[MrVideo]

See PM response. The "it seems to be Quick Play mode" is how it is reacting, even though I have it in full backup mode.

[MrVideo]

While VLC is supposed to be able to play BDs, when trying the play a BD structure, or an ISO of the same structure, VLC only displays the menu background of a BD that BDRB creates from MKV files, i.e., quick play mode.

I'm just trying to see if I screwed up the menu layout as burning a BD-RE takes too damn long.

Is there a free program that will play a BDRB produced menu structure?

[abogard]

So, nobody has an answer for me? An idea at least of what could have happened?

[MrVideo]

So, nobody has an answer for me? An idea at least of what could have happened?
I know I have a disc that has two different cuts on it, but I can't test this because, as you can see from the above postings, I can't get full backup to work.

[musiclover]

So, nobody has an answer for me? An idea at least of what could have happened?

Just a longshot:
You could try setting REENCODE_MENUS=1 in your ini file

[abogard]

Just a longshot:
You could try setting REENCODE_MENUS=1 in your ini file

Well, it was a long shot indeed, but I'm happy to say it worked like a charm. I must say I have absolutely no idea why it works, maybe I don't understand this option at all, but I'm happy next time it happens I have something else to try.

I thank you very much for your help.

[Lathe]

While VLC is supposed to be able to play BDs, when trying the play a BD structure, or an ISO of the same structure, VLC only displays the menu background of a BD that BDRB creates from MKV files, i.e., quick play mode.

I'm just trying to see if I screwed up the menu layout as burning a BD-RE takes too damn long.

Is there a free program that will play a BDRB produced menu structure?

I don't think you've screwed up (well, at least with the encoding :D) but, from my experience, VLC has never quite gotten playing the Blu-ray menus right, so that likely is not a good program to 'test' your Blu-ray menus. But, dude... Blanks are like .50 now, so do one and see how it plays on your hardware player. If it works, your golden (but no showers https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX6lhJc5p8dXOCI3Ia9piQVlHAeA7noG7rTJnyUFOiMHCk0El17kbS2nbfF19BQ006NTAMAaHLpWxlm4J0uvppalZkWuu0EG5rtDm4En1H46rcsMVK4-ca_eWK3UwQj3CR-Q5MDx8sMpbzqBuBcSkPbEg=w22-h18-no?authuser=0)

[MrVideo]

Blanks are like .50 now, so do one and see how it plays on your hardware player. If it works, your[sic] golden.
Yep, I know how cheap they can be, as I have purchased a boatload over the years. I just prefer not to waste them. :D

[jdobbs]

Yep, I know how cheap they can be, as I have purchased a boatload over the years. I just prefer not to waste them. :DA rewriteable disc can go a long way for testing.

[Lowpro]

When trying the play a BD structure, VLC only displays the menu background of a BD that BDRB creates from MKV files, i.e., quick play mode. I'm just trying to see if I screwed up the menu layout as burning a BD-RE takes too damn long. Is there a free program that will play a BDRB produced menu structure?
I use PowerDVD to test a given Blu-ray build prior to burning to BD-R as PowerDVD supports Blu-ray (BDMV) folder playback. That being said, if your only option is to test once burned to disc I agree with the suggestion to burn to BD-RE instead. And if you just want to check to confirm the Blu-ray menu is displayed properly you can cut down on the time it takes to burn to BD-RE by excluding the M2TS files not used for the Blu-ray menu, the M2TS files used for the Blu-ray menu being 99001.m2ts and 99002.m2ts for "Page 1", 99003.m2ts and 99004.m2ts for "Page 2" and so forth. Will take 30 seconds or less to burn to BD-RE in that case.

[MrVideo]

A rewriteable disc can go a long way for testing.
Yes. but as I noted, a takes a long time a burn a BD-RE 25GB, which means it will take a long while to go thru all of the seasons of a series. Being able to have a program like VLC actually display the menu structure will allow for quick checking of spelling errors, or other screwups.

[MrVideo]

And if you just want to check to confirm the Blu-ray menu is displayed properly you can cut down on the time it takes to burn to BD-RE by excluding the M2TS files not used for the Blu-ray menu.
That is a good idea. Didn't think of that. Thanks.

[DoctorM]

At the same time I purchased my first BD burner I bought a 5 pack of BD-RE DL. Sure 2x is wicked slow to burn, but they just keep going.

[MrVideo]

I've only lost one so far out of the lot that I bought.

[RetsimLegin]

I don't seem to have any difficulty with VLC for previewing a BD-Video before burning it; including its menu. Mind, these are simple menus without Java (for example). I did find it necessary to work round one thing that VLC lacks as follows:
Select "Open Disc" (yes, Disc)
Select BluRay
Then search for the parent folder containing the BD contents (so, one level up from BDMV and STREAM, etc) and "play".

VLC lacks the ability to determine the type of disc for itself and assumes (I believe) it's DVD unless told otherwise (hence step 2), and it falls over when presented with BD-V contents.

[MrVideo]

As I mentioned, it displays the menu background, but none of the text, or the ability to navigate said blank menu.

[gonca]

As I mentioned, it displays the menu background, but none of the text, or the ability to navigate said blank menu.

Same issue I am having with JRiver MC.
Seems that PowerDVD works fine, or burning a disc.

[jdobbs]

As I mentioned, it displays the menu background, but none of the text, or the ability to navigate said blank menu.Unfortunately that's an issue with the player, not BD-RB or the menu, and there isn't anything I can do about it.

[MrVideo]

Ya, I knew that it was VLC.

[MrVideo]

As a test I tried building a M2TS file, via 4/30/21 tsmuxer, without the DV stream. But tsmuxer didn't like the dolby TrueHD audio stream (I submitted a bug on the forum page). BDRB didn't like the missing audio stream, though it didn't mind the missing video stream. It hung while trying to extract the audio. It still got the -2 error code.

UPDATE: After doing a little more digging I discovered to use tsmuxer to create a bluray layout. I then swapped out the CLPI and M2TS files. With the DV video stream removed, BDRB had no issues.

So, BDRB doesn't like the DV stream.
Any update regarding this issue?

[MrVideo]

@JD: Here's one for ya... the main video of a UHD disc is 93.78GB. The target is a 25B disc. After re-encoding, that video is 70.23GB. Not exactly the right size to fit on a 25B disc. There were zero errors in the log. All went as it was supposed to, except that the wrong size was the result. This one might be a little tough to figure out when there are zero errors that can be used as hints.
Any update on this issue?

[MrVideo]

Unfortunately that's an issue with the player, not BD-RB or the menu, and there isn't anything I can do about it.
I just installed the free player Leawo Bluray Player and it too won't display the text from the menu. Oh well.

Now I've uninstalled it. Anyone know of a free program that will display BDRB menus?

[RetsimLegin]

As I mentioned, it displays the menu background, but none of the text, or the ability to navigate said blank menu.
Ah yes, now you mention it, I did see the same thing with a BDRB generated menu and VLC the first time I tried it. So I never tried to burn the disc and test it in a hardware player. Burning is the slowest part of the entire process and initial testing/previewing on the PC saves that time. jdobbs asked me a long while back why I was using MultiAVCHD to master BD-Video discs and that is (one of the) reason/s. I had assumed, when VLC did as you describe, that I hadn't worked out how to make a menu in BDRB properly and gave up, since I was already familiar with MultiAVCHD. MultiAVCHD menus do display and work in VLC. So that's what I still do; use BDRB to do the encoding where needed, but extract the completed stream/s and re-author them with MultiAVCHD.

[MrVideo]

BDRB does make menus that display and work properly in hardware players. No idea why some software players do not like what BDRB produces.

As another user suggested, remove all of the M2TS files that contain your video(s), keeping the menu M2TS files. Then burn that to a BD-RE and test in a hardware player. Make a copy of the Blu-ray structure first. Work with the copy. If the menus are to your liking, you can then burn the original Blu-ray structure to a BD disc.

That is what I have been doing and that is working out great.

[Lowpro]

BDRB does make menus that display and work properly in hardware players. No idea why some software players do not like what BDRB produces.What software based "Blu-ray" player have you tried? There's your answer. Sometimes you get what you pay for or in your case, don't get what you don't pay for.

[MrVideo]

Leawo, as mentioned above, and also VideoSolo, in trial mode. VideoSolo didn't even try to display the actual menu. So, I quickly removed it as well.

[MrVideo]

I just installed the trial version of PowerDVD 21 and the A-holes only demo the standard version, which doesn't play Blu-rays. How the Hell do they expect to sell a product when they won't even demo the full product. So, I've had to resort to sending them a customer support query. Dumb, real dumb.

Does anyone know if PowerDVD 21 will play BDRB menus?

[MrVideo]

I've had a really strange NVENC error show up. While recoding a MPEG-2 720x480 file for my Castle collection, it terminates early. It made me discover an issue with the file, and ultimately other 480i files. I had to add 1 sec of black to the front and end of the files. After doing that with VRDPro, NVENC stills crashes, but about a second later, i.e. the same place in the video. I watched the M2TS file with VLC and saw not issues with the video and VRDPro had no errors working with the original file.

I have no clue as to why NVENC is failing.

EDIT: I've discovered something else. The special features all seem to be 3:2 pulldown. To help solve the above problem, I was going to re-encode to H.264 and discovered that I can also convert to 480p23.976. With any luck, BDRB won't touch the files as they hopefully will be under the size limit for re-encoding during the backup portion.

EDIT2: They aren't, so I changed the setting to 300MB.

[musiclover]

Does anyone know if PowerDVD 21 will play BDRB menus?

Yes. It plays BDRB menus flawlessly

[MrVideo]

^^^^ Thanks for the update.

EDIT: Does it allow for normal Win screen grabs and/or a PowerDVD hot key to do so?

[DoctorM]

For testing standard BD menus, when I don't burn, I use Kodi. It's installed on my Android TVs and can play the rebuilt discs directly from my PC across my home network.
There is a PC version as well, which I understand can even play Java menus. I've never tried it.

[MrVideo]

AIUI. Kodi is meant to used to play stuff to your TV, which I won't be doing.

[musiclover]

^^^^ Thanks for the update.

EDIT: Does it allow for normal Win screen grabs and/or a PowerDVD hot key to do so?

Normal Win screen grabs do not work. Control C will make a snapshot. However not from BD due to copyright restrictions as the pop-up states. This also goes for BDRB QP menus.

[MrVideo]

However not from BD due to copyright restrictions as the pop-up states. This also goes for BDRB QP menus.
Another one bites the dust. :mad:

[MrVideo]

I'm currently working on creating 8 seasons of Castle "UHD" discs with 1080p and 480p videos. The source videos are H.264, so I'm using the relatively new BDRD feature to create "UHD" Blu-rays, which allow for burning to less discs. Except for the first season, which only had 10 episodes, I'm able to do 12 episodes to a disc, with the special features also added to the 2nd disc. Since the special features are already recoded from 480i29.97 MPEG-2 3:2 video to 480p23.976 video, I had BDRB skip recoding those videos.

Another relatively new feature is the ability to have a different background if there is more than one page. Castle was really nice in the fact that the openings made for great backgrounds, in that some of the episodes during the 8 seasons had unique openings. I'm able to use those opening backgrounds when the episode selection contained the episode with that unique background. Plus, since the special features were placed on a 2nd page, I was able to also add "Special Features" text to that background.

If you haven't used either of these features, think about them the next time you build your own BD.

[MrVideo]

I found a weird bug.

I have 8 directories under BD-Rebuilder called Castle-S1 thru Castle-S8.

I first noticed the problem while working with S3. The menu audio was missing. It was a shortcut to the file under S1. So, I deleted the shortcut and copied the file over from S1. Still didn't work.

So, I loaded the project for S2 and noticed that the audio was pointing to the S1 file. When I changed it to point to the S2 file, no audio. When I changed it back to S1, there was audio.

There is no issue with the background JPG files.

What is with BDRB only fetching the audio from the Castle-S1 directory and not any of the others?

[MrVideo]

Why does BDRB take an E-AC3 audio stream that is 5.1 and recode it to 2.0?

[jdobbs]

Why does BDRB take an E-AC3 audio stream that is 5.1 and recode it to 2.0?It doesn't, unless you have selected to do so in SETUP or have selected an ALTERNATE output with a 2 channel audio selection.

[MrVideo]

It doesn't, unless you have selected to do so in SETUP or have selected an ALTERNATE output with a 2 channel audio selection.
The "Use 192kbs and 2 channel for AC3 encoding" is not selected. Neither is 448kbs for multichannel not selected. No ALTERNATE either.

[MrVideo]

Here is the log:
[08:18:15] Importing: Movie-HEVC-HDR
- [08:18:35] Importing video file: (1 of 1)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Correcting MKV format inconsistencies...
- Scanning for Variable Frame Rate...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting source to compliant format...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [09:54:50] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[09:54:54] Video import completed successfully.
Because of the above issue with converting E-AC3 5.1 to AC3-2.0, I used VideoReDo to recode the audio to AC3-5.1 and wrapped into MKV. The source was HEVC HDR @23.976.

The "Converting source to compliant format" resulted in a H264 video at 59.94 fps at ~twice the original size (22.5GB to 48GB). Totally useless. No idea why it thought the source was not a compliant video. The config INI file is basically the same one used for creating the Castle HEVC BDs.The only difference is that it points to the source path of the movie file.

UPDATE: For some reason, BDRB does not like what VideoReDo does with the video portion of the file, either MKV wrapped or TS wrapped. So, I took the original file into TSMuxer and removed the audio. I then added the VRD file and removed the video and remuxed it in a TS file. BDRB liked that, not complaining that it wasn't compliant.

[MrVideo]

I also keep getting these: Runtime error '70': Permission denied.

This race condition keeps happening often enough.

EDIT: This is becoming a PITA. Just this morning I must have lost about an hour having to redo the job more than once.

[RetsimLegin]

It doesn't, unless you have selected to do so in SETUP or have selected an ALTERNATE output with a 2 channel audio selection.
Yes, it does. See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1946941#post1946941
(and, no, I have never told it to do so). In that (and certain other) case(s), I used Handbrake to re-encode and got 5.1 DD from it (see the unapproved attachments on that post), which I then tsMuXer -ed back onto the BDRB encoded video..

[MrVideo]

The hits keep right on a-commin'.

Now that I finally got BDRB to import the single file, it created the menu structure in the IMPORTS area. But, when I click on Backup, it indicated that it is in MOVIE_ONLY mode. I DO NOT have that selected. I have FULL BACKUP selected. And yes, MENU_FORCED_QUICK is set to one.

What could I possibly be doing wrong?

UPDATE: I added a 30sec black video, in order to have two items on the menu. Now it is no longer doing MOVIE_ONLY mode. It appears that MENU_FORCED_QUICK=1 is being ignored.

[MrVideo]

Yes, it does. See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1946941#post1946941
(and, no, I have never told it to do so). In that (and certain other) case(s), I used Handbrake to re-encode and got 5.1 DD from it (see the unapproved attachments on that post), which I then tsMuXer -ed back onto the BDRB encoded video..
Looks like I got caught up in your issue. :(

[jdobbs]

The hits keep right on a-commin'.

Now that I finally got BDRB to import the single file, it created the menu structure in the IMPORTS area. But, when I click on Backup, it indicated that it is in MOVIE_ONLY mode. I DO NOT have that selected. I have FULL BACKUP selected. And yes, MENU_FORCED_QUICK is set to one.

What could I possibly be doing wrong?

UPDATE: I added a 30sec black video, in order to have two items on the menu. Now it is no longer doing MOVIE_ONLY mode. It appears that MENU_FORCED_QUICK=1 is being ignored.It isn't MENU_FORCED_QUICK. It is MENU_FORCE_QUICK (no "D").

[jdobbs]

The "Use 192kbs and 2 channel for AC3 encoding" is not selected. Neither is 448kbs for multichannel not selected. No ALTERNATE either.Yes, it does. See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1946941#post1946941
(and, no, I have never told it to do so). In that (and certain other) case(s), I used Handbrake to re-encode and got 5.1 DD from it (see the unapproved attachments on that post), which I then tsMuXer -ed back onto the BDRB encoded video..Can't imagine how that could happen... but I'll do some testing and see what I find. Interesting that it only happens with EAC3.