BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[9020V]

I am doing full backup mode. Recently, many backups don't have a title menu, it just starts playing the movie immediately, and the top/title menu buttons don't work. The pop-up menu functions fine, however.

Does anybody know what would be causing this?

I am reencoding for full-disc mode on BD25, and keeping HD Audio for blu-ray, and also selecting an AC3 track.

[jdobbs]

I am doing full backup mode. Recently, many backups don't have a title menu, it just starts playing the movie immediately, and the top/title menu buttons don't work. The pop-up menu functions fine, however.

Does anybody know what would be causing this?

I am reencoding for full-disc mode on BD25, and keeping HD Audio for blu-ray, and also selecting an AC3 track. That would have to imply a movie-only backup had been done. If something went wrong with a backup that might destroy the menu, you'd get a coaster, it would never result in automatic playing of the title -- you have to do that on purpose. One possible cause of a situation where you aren't getting what you think you are is if you are using batch mode. In batch the settings used for the backup are always what was there at the time a job was added to the queue. So its possible that someone might change the state of movie-only/full mode and mistakenly start a batch encode thinking that change would have an effect on the job already saved to the queue.

There are, by the way, discs out there that don't have a menu -- just pop-ups.

[rizzo7883]

Thanks for the help and info(jdobbs). And most of all A GREAT and easy to use program. I have used it 4 times and I have 4 successes. I am 4 for 4, on compressing A 25+ gig movie down to under 24 gigs so it fits on A BD-R25 "single layer" disc.
Basically saved me $13 A disc!! BD-R50 "dual layer media is at least 5 times more mooooolaa.

THANKS:):):cool:

[writersblock29]

@9020V

These aren't Warner Brothers titles, are they? Most of the WB movies I have go straight into the movie, and only have a pop up menu. Check your original disk to see how it plays.

[9020V]

@9020V

These aren't Warner Brothers titles, are they? Most of the WB movies I have go straight into the movie, and only have a pop up menu. Check your original disk to see how it plays.

For example, do Constantine and Terminator 3 not have top menus?

[Willobee]

@jdobbs
Have you made a backup of Elton John the Red Piano BD? I tried backing this BD up full disc to BD25 keeping only the English subtitles and HD audio. When I played it back on my stand alone player the menu did not show the Play, Song Selection, Extras or setup choices and I was unable to get the disk to play. I made a movie only backup to BD25 keeping the HD audio which came out around 13.5 GB and it plays fine. I wonder why the main menu did not display properly. I have made quite a few full backups to BD25 and never had this problem. Do you have any ideas on why this may be happening

[9020V]

One other issue, when you select "keep HD audio for BD25 encoding" does the output options have to be set to "target size BD 25?"

I have been doing custom target sizes of 24000 MB since the BD 25 target sizes always severely undershoot. But everyone I do this on, the audio track that is displayed when I play the disc is "dolby digital 5.1!" How do I keep the HD audio tracks (such as DTS-HD MA).

[9020V]

One other issue, when you select "keep HD audio for BD25 encoding" does the output options have to be set to "target size BD 25?"

I have been doing custom target sizes of 24000 MB since the BD 25 target sizes always severely undershoot. But everyone I do this on, the audio track that is displayed when I play the disc is "dolby digital 5.1!" How do I keep the HD audio tracks (such as DTS-HD MA).

To clarify my previous post, here's an example: The last backup I did, I had checked: limit to one audio track for each language, do not convert dts to AC3, and keep HD audio. Do not reencode AC3 and use 448 kbps were not checked. I only selected the DTS-HD XLL tracks (BD rebuilder would not select these itself, I had to select them all manually - bdr kept trying to select an AC3 stereo track). What I ended up with was dolby digital 5.1 640 kbps (according to the on-screen information display while it was playing), and some chapters had no audio at all (even though it said dolby digital 5.1)!

I checked it with BDInfo.exe and it confirmed that the DTS-HD XLL track had in fact been converted to 640kbps AC3 even though I had told BD rebuilder not to convert DTS to AC3 AND to keep HD Audio. Also, the audio track was blank for certain chapter (no audio).

Any idea what is going on?

[setarip_old]

Hi!For example, do Constantine and Terminator 3 not have top menus?Answer your question without assistance - by playing your original BluRay discs...

[9020V]

Hi!Answer your question without assistance - by playing your original BluRay discs...

Ok. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

One other issue, when you select "keep HD audio for BD25 encoding" does the output options have to be set to "target size BD 25?"

I have been doing custom target sizes of 24000 MB since the BD 25 target sizes always severely undershoot. But everyone I do this on, the audio track that is displayed when I play the disc is "dolby digital 5.1!" How do I keep the HD audio tracks (such as DTS-HD MA).

It will keep the HD audio on anything that is larger than a BD-9... so yes.

I have to be clear from my end -- in the hundreds of discs I've tested never once has BD-RB reencoded audio when it was told not to. So I have to believe it is something odd in the source or on your end. That is confirmed by your statement that DTS was never selected... if you select a language to keep -- BD-RB will keep EVERY track in that language unless you have told it not to.

Is this an original disc that we're talking about here? It sure sounds like there has been some preprocessing. What did you use to rip it?

[Capsbackup]

@9020V;
Are you using BD-RB in Batch mode?
If so, perhaps try it as a regular full backup.

[9020V]

It will keep the HD audio on anything that is larger than a BD-9... so yes.

I have to be clear from my end -- in the hundreds of discs I've tested never once has BD-RB reencoded audio when it was told not to. So I have to believe it is something odd in the source or on your end. That is confirmed by your statement that DTS was never selected... if you select a language to keep -- BD-RB will keep EVERY track in that language unless you have told it not to.

Is this an original disc that we're talking about here? It sure sounds like there has been some preprocessing. What did you use to rip it?

The disc was ripped with AnyDVD. When I use BDInfo to scan the directory that it was ripped to, it shows the full structure with the HD tracks.

This was a very odd disc. When I launched BD Rebuilder, it did not select the DTS-HD track (it had a red X beside it). I told BD rebuilder this time not to just keep 1 track for each language, but it was still x-ed out. I had to go through each chapter and manually double click to remove the Red X beside the HD tracks. I am trying this again except this time I am keeping all the audio tracks. Before I burn this time, I'll check the folder with BDInfo to see what tracks are there. The only other thing I changed was that I told it not to reencode AC3 tracks (what is the purpose of this anyway? Does this reencode TrueHD tracks?).

I am not positive, but I believe I have had this problem with other discs too. Except for a few discs, everything seems to get converted to Dolby Digital 5.1 even if I tell it to keep HD Audio, but like I said, I never select BD25 target size, always custom. From what you are saying, the code allows for the keeping of HD audio tracks if the size is greater than 8500 MB, whether it's custom or BD25 target.

Edit: I think I found the problem. The HD audio track is not in English, and the only audio tracks I was telling it to keep were English tracks. However, previously I manually added the HD tracks, which were not retained, but were converted to DD 5.1. I don't know if this is a bug. Can somebody else try to make a project that only retains English tracks on the initial scan, then add the non-English HD audio track manually by double clicking it and see if it is reencoded despite the option to keep HD audio?

[Race Guy]

It will keep the HD audio on anything that is larger than a BD-9... so yes.

I have to be clear from my end -- in the hundreds of discs I've tested never once has BD-RB reencoded audio when it was told not to. So I have to believe it is something odd in the source or on your end. That is confirmed by your statement that DTS was never selected... if you select a language to keep -- BD-RB will keep EVERY track in that language unless you have told it not to.

Is this an original disc that we're talking about here? It sure sounds like there has been some preprocessing. What did you use to rip it?

Here's one for you jdobbs!

Try "Pan's Labyrinth" US release. It's DTS HD-MA 7.1. I did full to 25, with all relevant boxes checked to keep the MA 7.1 "as is" but I got a recode to DD5.1 640k.

So then I tried to do "movie only" to 25, keeping all sound & subs. The flick itself is only 19+GB, so BD-RB should've "picked it up & put it down", but once again, I get a DD5.1 recode! Here's the log from that:

====================================

[09:31:15] BD Rebuilder v0.31.06 (beta)
- Source: PANS_LAB
- Input BD size: 18.83 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:59:09.183]
- Target BD size: 23.39 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[09:31:22] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:31:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [09:42:40] Reencoding: VID_00006 (1 of 1)
- [09:42:40] Collecting video information
- [09:42:40] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [09:42:40] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [09:51:38] Multiplexing M2TS
[10:02:38]PHASE ONE complete
[10:02:38]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [10:02:38] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[10:17:48] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[10:17:48]JOB: PANS_LAB

=====================================

For the heckuvit, I then took that movie only output, opened the playlist with tsM & "added" the (4.37GB) demuxed DTS-HD track left behind in the WORKFILES folder. I outputted it as Blu Ray, burned it to RE & BOOM....., I now have the 7.1 track!

See ya!

[jdobbs]

I'll pick up a copy of "Pan's Labyrinth", do a BD-25 movie-only backup, and see what happens.

[setarip_old]

@9020V

You still haven't answered a very direct question asked of you by "jdobbs": " Is this an original disc that we're talking about here? "

Additionally, I'd ask you, what is the title of the BluRay and what is the region?

[writersblock29]

@9020V

Terminator 3 launches straight into the movie. I can't vouch for Constantine, however, since I don't have that title.

[Bystander]

I just tried the Blu-ray disc of 2L - The Nordic Sound. It has a DTS MA HD, LPCM, and DD. I have the option using the latest beta to pick the DTS MA or LPCM. If I pick the DTS MA HD track only (which is what I want) it processes 100%, but when I go to playback in TMT3 it reports DD 640kps with no extra audio to choose. Any ideas to fix this?

[Capsbackup]

I just tried the Blu-ray disc of 2L - The Nordic Sound. It has a DTS MA HD, LPCM, and DD. I have the option using the latest beta to pick the DTS MA or LPCM. If I pick the DTS MA HD track only (which is what I want) it processes 100%, but when I go to playback in TMT3 it reports DD 640kps with no extra audio to choose. Any ideas to fix this?

What does BDInfo say your backup has for the audio?
If this is not a BD-25 backup, BD-RB will not keep the HD audio. BD5/9 backups will not have HD audio.:cool:

[Bystander]

What does BDInfo say your backup has for the audio?
If this is not a BD-25 backup, BD-RB will not keep the HD audio. BD5/9 backups will not have HD audio.:cool:

I am re-doing the process as I type. My target size is 60GB so that it does not compress or shrink it down for BD-25. Will report what BD-Info reports when it completes in a few minutes.

[Capsbackup]

I am re-doing the process as I type. My target size is 60GB so that it does not compress or shrink it down for BD-25. Will report what BD-Info reports when it completes in a few minutes.

For that target, you do not need BD-RB, just a straight rip, at least if you are using AnyDVD HD.

[Bystander]

For that target, you do not need BD-RB, just a straight rip, at least if you are using AnyDVD HD.

Regardless. BD-Rebuilder failed to process the DTS MA HD again. BD-Info says the end result was DD 640kbps. Maybe due to the disc not having English subtitles? It is "uncoded language" according to BD-Rebuilder.

My Setup options are: Do NOT convert DTS to AC3 (BR), Do not reencode AC3 (BR), and Keep HD Audio for BD24 encoding are all CHECKED. The only other CHECKMARKS are English Audio language to keep (limit to one track for each language), and English Subtitle Language to keep (Limit to one track for each language).

[jdobbs]

I just tried the Blu-ray disc of 2L - The Nordic Sound. It has a DTS MA HD, LPCM, and DD. I have the option using the latest beta to pick the DTS MA or LPCM. If I pick the DTS MA HD track only (which is what I want) it processes 100%, but when I go to playback in TMT3 it reports DD 640kps with no extra audio to choose. Any ideas to fix this?Tell me something. When you opened BD-RB, was the audio track already selected, or did you need to double-click on the track to remove the red X? I think I may have found a scenario in which the SETUP flags are not applied against selections that are changed via the GUI interface (as opposed to those that are selected through the SETUP options).

@9020v

I think this is your problem. I appreciate your report, as it included the clue that helped me find this.

[Bystander]

Tell me something. When you opened BD-RB, was the audio track already selected, or did you need to double-click on the track to remove the red X? I think I may have found a scenario in which the SETUP flags are not applied against selections that are changed via the GUI interface (as opposed to those that are selected through the SETUP options).

@9020v

I think this may be your problem.

Yes, there were 2 red X's over the Audio tracks. Both DTS MA HD and LPCM. I had to select the DTS MA HD track so it had the "red green blue yellow disc icon". Left the LPCM with a RED X. I also noticed it opened a dos window to execute a command line... though it may always do that as I do not watch the progress bar go from 0 to 100%. I also notice that it does not report DTS MA HD as is listed on the Blu-ray, reported by Blu-ray player and BD-Info. BD Rebuilder reports it as DTS HD XLL or something like that.

See pic: http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10795&stc=1&d=1265726537

[jdobbs]

Is this an original (unmodified/not preprocessed) source? I've never seen a commercial disc that didn't have the language code set. It looks more like something that has been authored in TSMUXER and the language wasn't selected.

What I mentioned above is definitely your problem. It'll be fixed in the next release.


[Edit] Actually I have to correct myself. When "Uncoded Languages" comes up it means the language code was set to "mis" -- which means it is in a language that isn't included in the ISO three-letter language list. Interesting. I've never seen that, as there are over 500 languages included.

[Bystander]

Is this an original (unmodified/not preprocessed) source? I've never seen a commercial disc that didn't have the language code set. It looks more like something that has been authored in TSMUXER and the language wasn't selected.

What I mentioned above is definitely your problem. It'll be fixed in the next release.


[Edit] Actually I have to correct myself. When "Uncoded Languages" comes up it means the language code was set to "mis" -- which means it is in a language that isn't included in the ISO three-letter language list. Interesting. I've never seen that, as there are over 500 languages included.

Sorry so late. Just got back from work. Yes that is from the original disc inserted and AnyDVD HD 6.6.2.0 running.

[Kakashi Sensei]

Sorry so late. Just got back from work. Yes that is from the original disc inserted and AnyDVD HD 6.6.2.0 running.

maybe its your AnyDVD HD as they have only 6.6.0.9 official release, are you running a beta or pre-release?

[Bystander]

maybe its your AnyDVD HD as they have only 6.6.0.9 official release, are you running a beta or pre-release?

It's not AnyDVD HD.

[BlackWolf]

maybe its your AnyDVD HD as they have only 6.6.0.9 official release, are you running a beta or pre-release?
There is a AnyDVD HD v6.6.2.0 beta out.

[Bystander]

6.6.2.2. is out

[Race Guy]

Tell me something. When you opened BD-RB, was the audio track already selected, or did you need to double-click on the track to remove the red X? I think I may have found a scenario in which the SETUP flags are not applied against selections that are changed via the GUI interface (as opposed to those that are selected through the SETUP options).

FYI jdobbs, on that "Pans Lab" I discussed, the MA 7.1 was "Spanish".

In my audio setup, I have "English only" checked and I have "Limit to one" checked. So when the project loaded, the MA 7.1 was "red X'd" & I had to select it.

So that's prolly the issue!

[jdobbs]

FYI jdobbs, on that "Pans Lab" I discussed, the MA 7.1 was "Spanish".

In my audio setup, I have "English only" checked and I have "Limit to one" checked. So when the project loaded, the MA 7.1 was "red X'd" & I had to select it.

So that's prolly the issue!Cool. I've fixed that issue. Actually I'm a little surprised I hadn't noticed it before -- I guess I pretty much leave what I get from the SETUP menu most of the time. I also rarely keep HD audio (a waste of space most of the time IMHO) -- but I have tested it a lot.

[iSeries]

Hi,

Trying to re-encode 'The Invention Of Lying' (UK) to BD25. Got this error right at the end:

-----------------------
[20:52:05] BD Rebuilder v0.31.06 (beta)
- Source: INVENTION_OF_LYING
- Input BD size: 27.91 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:39:42.976]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[20:52:06] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [20:52:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [21:24:26] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
- Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00001.meta
- Matroska parse error: invalid H264 NAL unit size. NAL unit truncated.
[15:04:16] - Failed to build structure, aborted

I tried to manually mux with tsmuxer but it got about 14% in and failed with the same error.

[Bystander]

FYI jdobbs, on that "Pans Lab" I discussed, the MA 7.1 was "Spanish".

In my audio setup, I have "English only" checked and I have "Limit to one" checked. So when the project loaded, the MA 7.1 was "red X'd" & I had to select it.

So that's prolly the issue!

When I saw the red x, I clicked on the DTS track and it converted it to DD 640kbps. So two things on the Nordic Sound BR is it did not detect DTS MA HD only DTS HD XLL and when it is selected it gets converted to DD.

[Race Guy]

when i saw the red x, i clicked on the dts track and it converted it to dd 640kbps. So two things on the nordic sound br is it did not detect dts ma hd only dts hd xll and when it is selected it gets converted to dd.

Hey bystander! FYI, XLL = MA

[Bystander]

Hey bystander! FYI, XLL = MA

And DTS is DTS, not DD. THAT is the problem I reported. Anything else is extra information. Selecting a dts track and have it come out as DD is not correct based on the settings in the setup menu.

[jdobbs]

Hey bystander! FYI, XLL = MA I refer to it as XLL because that's what it is called in the Blu-Ray standard for that specific stream_encoding_type based on the embedded code (0x86). Other people/software can call it what they want -- but BD-RB is a blu-ray backup program.

[jdobbs]

And DTS is DTS, not DD. THAT is the problem I reported. Anything else is extra information. Selecting a dts track and have it come out as DD is not correct based on the settings in the setup menu.And I already told you it is fixed and will be in the next release.

What do you want... blood? This is beta software, and this is exactly the kind of thing beta testing is meant to find. You reported it -- I fixed it. In your post you said:it did not detect DTS MA HD only DTS HD XLLRace Guy was simply telling you that they are one and the same.

[Bystander]

And I already told you it is fixed and will be in the next release.

What do you want... blood? This is beta software, and this is exactly the kind of thing beta testing is meant to find. You reported it -- I fixed it. In your post you said:Race Guy was simply telling you that they are one and the same.

Yes I require blood and lots of it!:). Seemed like an attack. I treated it as such. Nothing was directed towards you. I was fine with your response and only replied to individuals that commented on my post(s). Appreciate fixing the problem. I will be happy to test and report back when your next beta is released.

[jdobbs]

I have updated the first post of this thread with a new release of BD-RB (v0.31.07). Changes for this version are:- Corrected an error in which BD-RB may convert audio
to AC3 even though it has not been selected to do so
in the SETUP dialog. This could happen only when a
previously X'ed out track has been selected via the
stream list GUI.
- Added an option to "force" subtitles on movie-only
encodes. You can select the subtitle to be displayed
by default by right-clicking on the appropriate sub
in the "Streams" list. You can unselect in the same
manner. Note that the setting is (purposefully) not
persistent between BD-RB runs.
- Improved program resiliency to certain types of
source errors.
- Corrected some error reports to reflect a more
accurate depiction of errors encountered.
- Modified the default setting for "VERBOSE" mode. It
is now "On" as the default setting.
- Increased default output size for BD-25 slightly.
- Updated the included version of X264.EXE to the
latest release (r1416 w/nal-hrd patch).
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.

[kalle2k3]

Just a short question: Is wpredp used during the encoding in BD25 mode and if yes is it set to 2 ?
Thanks for your kind help.

[jdobbs]

X264 doesn't have a setting called "wpredp" of which I'm aware. I think that's probably a MEGUI thing? My guess is that you're talking about weightp? If so, BD-RB disables weightp because there are some players that don't seem to be able to handle it (even though they should).

[kalle2k3]

Thats exactly what i wanted to hear from you..thanks alot. And i guess you are staying with weightp disabled..right ?
Btw, great prog !

[Bystander]

Reporting back that the Nordic Sound did process correctly with the DTS MA HD track instead of a DD re-encode with the latest BD-Rebuilder version. Thank you.

[jdobbs]

Thats exactly what i wanted to hear from you..thanks alot. And i guess you are staying with weightp disabled..right ?
Btw, great prog !Yes, until something indicates that it isn't an issue anymore. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

[jdobbs]

Reporting back that the Nordic Sound did process correctly with the DTS MA HD track instead of a DD re-encode with the latest BD-Rebuilder version. Thank you. Every now and then I do something right. The sun even shines on a dog's butt sometimes. :)

[Capsbackup]

The sun even shines on a dog's butt sometimes. :)

The knowledge I get from this thread, priceless!! :rolleyes:
Your sense of humor is warmly welcomed and received. :p
And thanks for the new release, which I continue to have much appreciation for. :)

EDIT:
Maybe you could start a new trend for Groundhog Day, since Punxsutawney Phil has been deemed to being treated cruelly for his observance!

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Just trying out the new release and I noticed that on my rips that have PiP and DTS Express audio for the secondary audio, the audio no longer has an "X" next to it. Did I miss something, or is there now the ability to include this type of secondary audio for full backups that have PiP? :confused:
It is not changeable, that is I cannot "X" it out like the other audio streams that are listed.

[Duppie]

@jdobbs

Thanks for the update. Just to report back. With this release, x264 encoding fails every time? The previous x264 version does work if replaced. I have attached the logs. Also, I think the x264 build is not good. The usual size of the executable is usually between 1 and 2 MB. Why is this x264 build over 6 MB in size?

Thanks again for a great app.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Thanks for the update. Just to report back. With this release, x264 encoding fails every time? The previous x264 version does work if replaced. I have attached the logs. Also, I think the x264 build is not good. The usual size of the executable is usually between 1 and 2 MB. Why is this x264 build over 6 MB in size?

Thanks again for a great app.The newer versions include the FFMPEG library in them -- that's why they're bigger. I've done numerous encodes with this release -- hmmm.. that's troubling that you're seeing issues. Maybe a processor difference?

Anyone else having encoding problems with the X264 in this release?