BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[laserfan]

Maybe this will put you in a better mood--I just sent you $20 bucks.

You're welcome! :rolleyes:

[jdobbs]

You're welcome! :rolleyes:It is very much appreciated. I'm sorry I wasn't quicker with my response.

[Blurayhd]

November 9th, 2013 - v0.45.03
- Made major changes to how the Quick-Play reauthoring mechanism works. Implemented an interactive menu to the reauthored output. Now you can browse and select from multiple titles on Quick-Play reauthored discs. This feature applies also to all imported titles (DVD, Videofile, and BD). This feature is especially useful for combining and reencoding multiple BD or DVD series discs into a single BD-25 or BD-50

First of all excusme my English because i speak Spanish but i trying to do my best, dear jdobbs, iI have tried with two bluray discs and quick play to make everything on a disk but I can not do, not how. You can please help? Could you give me some link to some guide?

Thanks for your time

[jdobbs]

First of all excusme my English because i speak Spanish but i trying to do my best, dear jdobbs, iI have tried with two bluray discs and quick play to make everything on a disk but I can not do, not how. You can please help? Could you give me some link to some guide?

Thanks for your time Are you trying to create a single disc from two? Below is how. Keep in mind that you might want to use more meaningful names -- and you can edit your output menu's text:

1. Create a folder to hold the two discs. For example, you might create a folder called "D:\BOTH_DISCS"

2. Rip the two BDs into that folder. It might look like this:
D:\BOTH_DISCS
D:\BOTH_DISCS\DISC_1
D:\BOTH_DISCS\DISC_2

3. Open up BD-RB and select IMPORT and IMPORT BD(s) from the FILES menu. Then browse for D:\BOTH_DISCS

4. The import will take a few minutes, depending on how many discs you are importing. If you haven't created a default path for imports with the IMPORT_FOLDER hidden option, the result of the import will be in your Working Path. Let's say your working path is "D:\WORKING". So you should now have a new folder called "D:\WORKING\IMPORTS".

5. If you look in that folder you'll find another new folder called "BOTH_DISCS" -- if it is small enough (not likely) you could burn that folder. If you have a computer based player like PowerDVD 11, etc, you can point to it and test it. But since it is likely too large you move on to step 6.

6. From BD-RB select "D:\WORKING\BOTH_DISCS" as your source folder. Choose an output folder (or keep it as "D:\WORKING")... also choose an output target size.

7. Do a Full backup. At the end of the process you will have a folder called BOTH_DISCS in your working folder. It will be sized to match your target -- and you can burn it to disc.

[gonca]

Thanks for the new features and your hard work. $100 donation on the way.

[jdobbs]

Thanks for the new features and your hard work. $100 donation on the way. Wow. Thanks. I truly appreciate the support.

[jdobbs]

That's awesome and I agree completely.

I'm testing the Quick-Play Menu in the 4 modes with some iPad 2 videos 1080x720. The menus are displaying as they should, and are functioning very well. However, I may have misunderstood something...or..?? I also checked the hidden settings. Is there a switch or setting to set to dis/enable for the menu not to display after each video is played? Excellent for Episode...but perhaps not when you'd like the videos to play sequentially without the menu every time. Like, it's only displayed and interactive if you press the Menu button?

I appreciate the Share of your personal menu system. I've added this as an option under the Import/Quick Play settings dialog. If you choose sequential play, the only time it will automatically return to the menu is at the end the last play item (or, of course, if you select the MENU button from your remote).

[gonca]

I've added this as an option under the Import/Quick Play settings dialog. If you choose sequential play, the only time it will automatically return to the menu is at the end the last play item (or, of course, if you select the MENU button from your remote).

Will we have to re encode or just re import and copy the 99001 and 99002 m2ts files to make use of the sequential play

[jdobbs]

Will we have to re encode or just re import and copy the 99001 and 99002 m2ts files to make use of the sequential play You could just select Quick-Play and run it through with the new setting, it shouldn't need to reencode.

The change isn't actually in either of those two files, it would show up in MovieObject.bdmv in the BDMV folder (there's also a backup copy in the BDMV\BACKUP folder). If everything else is the same (for example if you imported the exact same list again and made the same edits, but didn't necessarily encode) you could probably just copy those two .bdmv files. But if anything had changed you might end up with an unplayable result.

[gonca]

Sounds good. If I understand correctly just do a Quick-Play import and that becomes my new "BD".

Once again, thank you for your hard work.

[Capsbackup]

Perhaps I am missing something, it wont be the first time. :confused:
I have Quick-Play backup enabled, I import 3 mpg titles created from a DVD recorder that are DVD compliant files via import video files, I edit the main title's name as well as the 3 individual titles names to my preferred, then click save and continue.
----------------------
[08:28:33] Importing: BDRB_MP
- [08:29:25] Importing video file: (1 of 3)
- Preparing MPG for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:30:34] Importing video file: (2 of 3)
- Preparing MPG for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:31:31] Importing video file: (3 of 3)
- Preparing MPG for processing...
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [08:32:33] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[08:32:37] Video import completed successfully.

When I test the folder that is created in the "Import" folder with TMT3, the first video starts and plays to completion. However, then the menu (still with stars and a moon) is displayed but none of the titles names are displayed to select. Only this picture is visible.
I can right click within TMT3 to select title 1, 2 or 3, but cannot select a title from the displayed menu since there is no titles even visible. :o
What am I doing wrong? :(

[gonca]

Capsbackup

I can tell you that TMT 6 has issues with the menus created by BD_RB, even worse than those. PowerDVD13 has no issues. My standalone Sony 550 has no issues. The problem is more than likely with TMT3 in your case. I pulled my Sony out of storage just to test the new features because of the way TMT6 was behaving.

[jdobbs]

Sounds good. If I understand correctly just do a Quick-Play import and that becomes my new "BD".

Once again, thank you for your hard work. Yes. An import reauthors and creates a BD structure from the multiple sources, and builds a Quick-Play menu for it -- but it doesn't reencode. The source can be BDs, video files (AVI, MKV, MP4, etc), or DVDs. It usually results in a structure that is too big to burn.

A Quick-Play backup will take any BD source (not multiple sources) and reauthor it keeping the significant playlists -- and also reencode it if necessary to fit the target size. All the settings in the SETUP dialog apply to a Quick-Play backup just like it would a full backup. None of them (beyond the Import/Quick-Play dialog) apply to an import.

As an example, in my testing I imported all three BD discs from Season 1 of one of my favorite series into a single structure. It imported into a single legal BD format that contained all 10 episodes plus a couple of "making of" extras -- but it was almost 150GB (the size of the three source BDs). When I imported, I also edited the titles so they matched the actual episode titles. I then did a full backup to a BD-50. In the end I had a single disc that had an entire season on it -- and because of the "Auto Menu" function -- it had a nice customized backdrop for the menus. And... it looks very, very good. I can't distinguish it from the originals.

[jdobbs]

Perhaps I am missing something, it wont be the first time. :confused:
I have Quick-Play backup enabled, I import 3 mpg titles created from a DVD recorder that are DVD compliant files via import video files, I edit the main title's name as well as the 3 individual titles names to my preferred, then click save and continue.


When I test the folder that is created in the "Import" folder with TMT3, the first video starts and plays to completion. However, then the menu (still with stars and a moon) is displayed but none of the titles names are displayed to select. Only this picture is visible.
I can right click within TMT3 to select title 1, 2 or 3, but cannot select a title from the displayed menu since there is no titles even visible. :o
What am I doing wrong? :(Capsbackup

I can tell you that TMT 6 has issues with the menus created by BD_RB, even worse than those. PowerDVD13 has no issues. My standalone Sony 550 has no issues. The problem is more than likely with TMT3 in your case. I pulled my Sony out of storage just to test the new features because of the way TMT6 was behaving. I'm confident that the menus created by BD-RB are 100% BD compliant. I spent a lot of time with the BD spec making sure that is the case. The issue is likely to be in TMT. Software players are rarely a good test. But I can tell you that it works correctly with PowerDVD 11 and every standalone I've tried.

I did find and fix a bug today related to importing while you have Quick-Play selected as your output mode... I'm not sure if it is related to what you're seeing, but try making sure you have either full-backup or movie-only selected when you're doing the import and let me know if that fixes your issue. The bug I fixed might conceivably have blanked out the menu title names during the authoring (the Quick-Play mode was "bumping-heads" with the import). You don't need Quick-Play selected to do an import.

If it does let me know, an I'll post an interim version with the fix rather than wait for more bug reports.

[AmigaFuture]

Funny you'd say that. I had originally made it work that way, and then decided to change it so it exited to the menu. I'll add a switch.

Ahhh...Haaaa...Haaaa! Sweet! Thank YOU. The benefit of choice will add to the nectar of the program. Trying to get tricky, eh? See if someone would notice?? :D

It did freeze a few times while importing and aborting import, so I had to force an exit. I...don't have it repeatable yet....so for now, FYI.

[Blurayhd]

Are you trying to create a single disc from two? Below is how. Keep in mind that you might want to use more meaningful names -- and you can edit your output menu's text:

1. Create a folder to hold the two discs. For example, you might create a folder called "D:\BOTH_DISCS"

2. Rip the two BDs into that folder. It might look like this:
D:\BOTH_DISCS
D:\BOTH_DISCS\DISC_1
D:\BOTH_DISCS\DISC_2

3. Open up BD-RB and select IMPORT and IMPORT BD(s) from the FILES menu. Then browse for D:\BOTH_DISCS

4. The import will take a few minutes, depending on how many discs you are importing. If you haven't created a default path for imports with the IMPORT_FOLDER hidden option, the result of the import will be in your Working Path. Let's say your working path is "D:\WORKING". So you should now have a new folder called "D:\WORKING\IMPORTS".

5. If you look in that folder you'll find another new folder called "BOTH_DISCS" -- if it is small enough (not likely) you could burn that folder. If you have a computer based player like PowerDVD 11, etc, you can point to it and test it. But since it is likely too large you move on to step 6.

6. From BD-RB select "D:\WORKING\BOTH_DISCS" as your source folder. Choose an output folder (or keep it as "D:\WORKING")... also choose an output target size.

7. Do a Full backup. At the end of the process you will have a folder called BOTH_DISCS in your working folder. It will be sized to match your target -- and you can burn it to disc.

Thankyou jdobbs for your detailed info.

I´ll try this as soon i can

[AmigaFuture]

Hmm... I did experience a hang with Quick-Play which led to a crash. Could be related to the other hang I haven't located.
After it crashed, reloaded. Had BD-RB do import again. I started editing the list because some filenames as the descriptions were to long. Once done, everything looks good in the log:

[18:53:47] Importing: GLACIER
- [18:54:34] Importing video file: (1 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:54:46] Importing video file: (2 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:55:12] Importing video file: (3 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:57:07] Importing video file: (4 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:57:18] Importing video file: (5 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:58:45] Importing video file: (6 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:59:29] Importing video file: (7 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:59:37] Importing video file: (8 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [18:59:56] Importing video file: (9 of 9)
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Converting audio, Track #2, AAC to AC3...
- Integrating into pseudo-BD structure...
- [19:00:02] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background...
- Building menu structure...
[19:00:07] Video import completed successfully.
For a test before using my Standalone player, I ran PowerDVD 12, and the edited list is replaced with a generic. Yet, the titles.inf in the directory of the imported files contains my edits. Where the final doesn't. Doing more testing...perhaps I should replace some characters..

[Capsbackup]

I'm confident that the menus created by BD-RB are 100% BD compliant. I spent a lot of time with the BD spec making sure that is the case. The issue is likely to be in TMT. Software players are rarely a good test. But I can tell you that it works correctly with PowerDVD 11 and every standalone I've tried.

I did find and fix a bug today related to importing while you have Quick-Play selected as your output mode... I'm not sure if it is related to what you're seeing, but try making sure you have either full-backup or movie-only selected when you're doing the import and let me know if that fixes your issue. The bug I fixed might conceivably have blanked out the menu title names during the authoring (the Quick-Play mode was "bumping-heads" with the import). You don't need Quick-Play selected to do an import.

If it does let me know, an I'll post an interim version with the fix rather than wait for more bug reports.

It does appear to be a problem with TMT3, or TMT3 just doesn't like BD-RB's creation. ;)
Burned to DVD+RW and tried on my Sony S360 and the menu text is visible and works correctly, starting with title one, goes to menu with title two highlighted. At completion of title two, the menu is displayed with title three highlighted. (Yellow is default color?)
Can I set BD-RB to start at the menu when the disc is inserted into my S360? (nice on episode discs so you don't have to play title one first to get to the menu and is easier to get to the title you want to play)
Can I set chapter points per my own predetermined chapter times / text file?

Excellent addition to an already great program! :D
:thanks:

EDIT:
Is adding audio to the menu an option?
Can you change the position / placement of the menu buttons?

[Sharc]

The new Quick menu is a great feature :cool:

I just had 2 issues when doing a Quick-Play Backup of an episodic BD (4 episodes + 2 selected Extras) to BD9 target:

1. The CERTIFICATE folder is missing in the reauthored file structure. I get the Bdmv folder only.
2. The quick menu shows the title of the Disc for episode 4 instead of my edited title for that Episode.

Workaround:
I have to import the encoded BD9, edit the quick menu again and rebuild. The file structure in the Imports folder then includes the CERTIFICATE folder, and the quick menu is now correct, means I can burn the disc from the Imports Folder.

I had the same issues with 2 different disks. Do I miss something?

[AmigaFuture]

Workaround:
I have to import the encoded BD9, edit the quick menu again and rebuild. The file structure in the Import folder then includes the CERTIFICATE folder, and the quick menu is now correct, means I can burn the disc from the Import folder, but chapters seem to be off or lost then.

I had the same issues with 2 different disks. Do I miss something?

I confirm that with CERTIFICATE and Quick-Play Menu text, using MKV's processed with BD-RB.

[gonca]

The new Quick menu is a great feature :cool:

I just had 2 issues when doing a Quick-Play Backup of an episodic BD (4 episodes + 2 selected Extras) to BD9 target:

1. The CERTIFICATE folder is missing in the reauthored file structure. I get the Bdmv folder only.


Do you have STRICT_AVCHD checked in the settings?

[Sharc]

Do you have STRICT_AVCHD checked in the settings?
No.

But now another problem: After burning to disk, one of the menu buttons does not show up on TV, and the remaining menu buttons start the wrong episode (shifted by one, due to the missing button?)

@jdobbs:
While the structure in the titles.inf in the backup\playlist folder seems clear, it appears to me that the referenced playlists does not exist as .mpls. For example:
00120 = Episode 2
=> I don't find a corresponding 00120.mpls

Could this be the cause of the problem (or do the numbers in the titles.inf not refer to playlists)?

[laserfan]

Thanks for the new features and your hard work. $100 donation on the way.
Wow is that US or CDN?! ;)

Nice. BTW I have had some odd problems with using TMT3 to test my BD-RB backups, such as listing all subtitle and audio tracks as English. So I'm not surprised it makes mistakes with the new features.

I also have TMT5 and TMT6 that I've never installed but I guess they are broken too? Only PowerDVD11 works reliably?

[Capsbackup]

The new Quick menu is a great feature :cool:

1. The CERTIFICATE folder is missing in the reauthored file structure. I get the Bdmv folder only.


I too can confirm this missing CERTIFICATE folder!

[jdobbs]

Is adding audio to the menu an option?
Can you change the position / placement of the menu buttons? Audio: not yet but you will in the future. If you are importing from a BD, in fact, the audio is already included (along with the source menu background). Buttons: I can look at adding that, but it's a bit of a pain because I have to make adjustments to all. Letting the user is harder because of all the checks involved. Currently I have a 64 title limit implemented.
1. The CERTIFICATE folder is missing in the reauthored file structure. I get the Bdmv folder only.
2. The quick menu shows the title of the Disc for episode 4 instead of my edited title for that Episode. 1. So you have "Strict AVCHD" set? 2. Hmm... I'll have to test it. But if there were only three when you edit -- it will definitely add the other using the disc name later (for example if you changed the import threshold between two starts). If the source is on hard drive you can look at the "titles.inf" file that gets created in either the source root or BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST to see what is actually there.

One other thing to watch: make sure you accidentally uncheck one of the items you want to keep. I've done that a couple of times.

[jdobbs]

No.

But now another problem: After burning to disk, one of the menu buttons does not show up on TV, and the remaining menu buttons start the wrong episode (shifted by one, due to the missing button?)

@jdobbs:
While the structure in the titles.inf in the backup\playlist folder seems clear, it appears to me that the referenced playlists does not exist as .mpls. For example:
00120 = Episode 2
=> I don't find a corresponding 00120.mpls

Could this be the cause of the problem (or do the numbers in the titles.inf not refer to playlists)?After you import they will change to a sequentially numbered set of MPLSs. But if that isn't the case the names are exactly what BD-RB finds in the source.

[jdobbs]

I too can confirm this missing CERTIFICATE folder! I'll look at it. But if it is an BD-5 or BD-9 it isn't generally kept.

[jdobbs]

After burning to disk, one of the menu buttons does not show up on TV, and the remaining menu buttons start the wrong episode (shifted by one, due to the missing button?) Can you post the titles.inf file and show me what it says compared to what you were expecting? I also need to know if it was an import from BD, from DVD, or files (they each have separate import routines).

[jdobbs]

I'm thinking that some of these reported issues may be related to changing the threshold values. Unfortunately when the threshold changes, the edits can become wrong because the list doesn't match the original. Can anyone confirm that may be the case in their report? I may have to put the threshold value into the INF file and ignore previous edits when it doesn't match.

If that isn't the case, I'd appreciate it if someone could provide me with a specific set of steps that will make a playlist be out-of-order etc so I can debug it... thanks.

[jdobbs]

I too can confirm this missing CERTIFICATE folder!I'm a little confused about the CERTIFICATE folder reports -- because nothing should have changed related to that. Is it missing in the IMPORT folder or in the output after a reencode? If it's the latter -- I think it has always worked that way... because AVCHD doesn't use it.

Any additional information would be appreciated

I'd like to nail all these bugs soon and get out a new release.

[Capsbackup]

I'm a little confused about the CERTIFICATE folder reports -- because nothing should have changed related to that. Is it missing in the IMPORT folder or in the output after a reencode? If it's the latter -- I think it has always worked that way... because AVCHD doesn't use it.

Any additional information would be appreciated

I'd like to nail all these bugs soon and get out a new release.

Just repeated the missing CERTIFICATE folder. :p
I import 3 DVD compliant mpg files created from a set top DVD Recorder. These are 3 separate TV episode files.
I have "Quick-Play Backup" enabled, Strict AVCHD is not checked.
The contents of the IMPORTS folder has BDMV, CERTIFICATE and PSEUDO folders present.
After pressing backup, the newly created encoded folder only has the BDMV folder present!

Also:
The imports folder starts with episode 1, then goes to the menu upon completion.
The reencoded folder starts with the main menu.
I would like to have the main menu appear first always. Is it possible to have the Imports folder start at the main menu, or is reencoding necessary to achieve this ?

[jdobbs]

Just repeated the missing CERTIFICATE folder. :p
I import 3 DVD compliant mpg files created from a set top DVD Recorder. These are 3 separate TV episode files.
I have "Quick-Play Backup" enabled, Strict AVCHD is not checked.
The contents of the IMPORTS folder has BDMV, CERTIFICATE and PSEUDO folders present.
After pressing backup, the newly created encoded folder only has the BDMV folder present!

Also:
The imports folder starts with episode 1, then goes to the menu upon completion.
The reencoded folder starts with the main menu.
I would like to have the main menu appear first always. Is it possible to have the Imports folder start at the main menu, or is reencoding necessary to achieve this ? Currently I start at the menu if there are more than 3 menu items present, otherwise I start with the first playlist. It shouldn't change when you reencode. I do think I'll add an option in the Import/Quick-Play Setup dialog to either start at the menu or the first item.

It's been a long time since talking about this, but if I recall correctly, generally you don't output a CERTIFICATE folder to a BD-5 or BD-9 backup -- because there are players that won't play back a DVD+-R formatted for BD if the CERTIFICATE folder exists (along with a couple of other folders). But I was thinking I only enforced it if "Strict AVCHD" was selected (the default). I'll have to go back and look.

[Capsbackup]

Just ran another test, this time with "Full Backup" selected and "Strict AVCHD" is not checked again.
Both Imports folder and reencoded folder has both BDMV and CERTICATE folders present.

[jdobbs]

Just ran another test, this time with "Full Backup" selected and "Strict AVCHD" is not checked again.
Both Imports folder and reencoded folder has both BDMV and CERTICATE folders present.Definitely confusing. Full Backup and Quick-Play backup both use the same code for the copy/rebuild. I'll look and see if something changed.

[Sharc]

I'm thinking that some of these reported issues may be related to changing the threshold values. Unfortunately when the threshold changes, the edits can become wrong because the list doesn't match the original. Can anyone confirm that may be the case in their report? I may have to put the threshold value into the INF file and ignore previous edits when it doesn't match.
..........
Hmmm.... that could be true in my case. IIRC I played with the threshold values .....

CERTIFICATE folder: I confirm Capsbackup's findings. Something must have changed for the Quick-Play backup Scenario.

[jdobbs]

CERTIFICATE folder: I confirm Capsbackup's findings. Something must have changed for the Quick-Play backup Scenario. Yes it did. I've found it and fixed it. It was a line that was meant to eliminate JAR folders, etc. that have no use in a Quick-Play backup -- and CERTIFICATE got caught in the mix. I'd forgotten it was even there.

@All
Thanks, guys. I really appreciate all the testing.

[Sharc]

Can you post the titles.inf file and show me what it says compared to what you were expecting? I also need to know if it was an import from BD, from DVD, or files (they each have separate import routines).
I did a Quick-Play backup from a BD and edited the menus.
The titles.inf with my edited menu text is in the \Bdmv\Backup\Playlist\ folder:
[Titles]
Title=BREAKING BAD: Season 5 Disk 2
00084=Extra 1
00098=Extra 2
00100=
00119=Tödliche Fracht
00120=Buyout
00121=Sagen Sie meinen Namen
00122=Walt Whitman
[Position]
00084=5
00098=6
00100=0
00119=1
00120=2
00121=3
00122=4
[Selected]
00084=-1
00098=-1
00100=0
00119=-1
00120=-1
00121=-1
00122=-1
As you see, I deselected the item 00100 intentionally.
Looks all ok with the exception that this disk has no corresponding playlists in the same folder, like
00084.mpls
00098.mpls
00100.mpls
00119.mpls
00120.mpls
00121.mpls
00122.mpls

[jdobbs]

I did a Quick-Play backup from a BD and edited the menus.
The titles.inf with my edited menu text is in the \Bdmv\Backup\Playlist\ folder:

As you see, I deselected the item 00100 intentionally.
Looks all ok with the exception that this disk has no corresponding playlists in the same folder, like
00084.mpls
00098.mpls
00100.mpls
00119.mpls
00120.mpls
00121.mpls
00122.mplsAre you saying none of those MPLS files exist in the source BDMV\PLAYLIST folder? That's where BD-RB would look for them (but, of course, per the standard there should also be a backup for each of them in the BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST folder.

[Sharc]

Are you saying none of those MPLS files exist in the source BDMV\PLAYLIST folder? That's where BD-RB would look for them (but, of course, per the standard there should also be a backup for each of them in the BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST folder.

Yes, exatly this is what I am saying. Neither the BDMV\PLAYLIST nor the BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST (which are identical) contains any of those MPLS. How did BD-RB "invent" those numbers ? :confused:

[jdobbs]

Yes, exatly this is what I am saying. Neither the BDMV\PLAYLIST nor the BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST (which are identical) contains any of those MPLS. How did BD-RB "invent" those numbers ? :confused:I have absolutely no idea. It scans the BDMV\PLAYLIST folder to create the list.

I'll have to check and see if there is any way that the titles.inf file from one source scan can somehow get saved into another. That's the only way I can imagine MPLS numbers being created out of thin air.

[Sharc]

I have absolutely no idea. It scans the BDMV\PLAYLIST folder to create the list.

I'll have to check and see if there is any way that the titles.inf file from one source scan can somehow get saved into another. That's the only way I can imagine MPLS numbers being created out of thin air.
It happened in 2 cases here. I'll check if I find another BD which has such playlists.

Anyway, my workaround has been to import this encoded version and rebuild the quick menu. As you wrote, the MPLS then became sequentially renumbered and all was ok.

Added:
Now I deleted the titles.inf and started allover again, not touching the menus.
Here the generated titles.inf (untouched). Same mystery.
[Titles]
Title=BD_BREAKING_BAD_S5_D2
00119=01. Feature Presentation: [00:48:03.922]
00120=02. Feature Presentation: [00:47:25.884]
00121=03. Feature Presentation: [00:47:17.876]
00122=04. Feature Presentation: [00:47:21.880]00084=05. Disc Extra: [00:15:38.687]
00098=06. Disc Extra: [00:10:14.547]
00100=07. Disc Extra: [00:12:09.295]
[Position]
00119=1
00120=2
00121=3
00122=4
00084=5
00098=6
00100=7
[Selected]
00119=-1
00120=-1
00121=-1
00122=-1
00084=-1
00098=-1
00100=-1

There must be a "Translation" error when generating the .inf textfile from the MPLS.

Added2:In case it would help:
The correct playlists for the 4 features are 00804.mpls, 00805.mpls, 00806.mpls, 00807.mpls

[jdobbs]

Added:
Now I deleted the titles.inf and started allover again, not touching the menus.
Here the generated titles.inf (untouched). Same mystery[/CODE]

There must be a "Translation" error when generating the .inf textfile from the MPLS.

Added2:In case it would help:
The correct playlists for the 4 features are 00804.mpls, 00805.mpls, 00806.mpls, 00807.mplsOk.. when you started over, did you IMPORT or open with Quick-Play?

There's really no translation involved. The MPLS filenames are pulled into structure -- and remain a string throughout. I'll do a couple of tests and see if I can find anything.

[jdobbs]

Ok.. when you started over, did you IMPORT or open with Quick-Play?

There's really no translation involved. The MPLS filenames are pulled into structure -- and remain a string throughout. I'll do a couple of tests and see if I can find anything.Well that was easy enough. The first one I tested screwed up. I'll see what's up and get a fix in.

[AmigaFuture]

Using Full Backup and Importing 5 MOV files.

Quick-Play shows editor. I leave the displayed file names alone. Click save.
Files are imported and AAC's are conveted to AC3. Import is finished and 3
files are showing listed in BD-RB's Stream Tab. First 2 are of the correct file size,
but the 3rd is really short. The short is the menu background. The other 3 of 5 are not in
the list.

Run PowerDVD 12, select the directory under Import, and PowerDVD displays 5 items in the menu.
Also shows correct Menu name.

Play the first file (title) and looks and sounds ok. Menu returns with next (2nd) highlighted.
Repeat through to the 5th, and each are the correct file even though it doesn't match in BD-RB.

Burning to BD-RE 50 and playing with Standalone LG player the menu looks as it does in PowerDVD 12. The video
for each looks good, but the sound has a strange gapping sound. I'll include an attached video.. There's a choppy hissing sound.

I burned the m2ts files to the BD-RE overwriting the previous disk project, as well as copied them to a Verbatim USB. A/V are okay on both.
So, for fun, I moved the files completely away from the BD-RB Import and thought to try adding them as the m2ts files they now are.

I had BD-RB exit. I deleted the Import and WORKFILES directories. Ran BD-RB, had it import the files, leaving
the Quick-Play Edit menu alone. Files Imported, and I see 2 VIDs displayed and the menu in the list. However, BD-RB has "Not Responding" so..I'll
have it exit and delete the Imports directories again and repeat. This time all imported well.

Output being used is BD-25. Import/Quick-Play Parameters are stock. I decided not to post the video clip unless requested by you. Strict AVCHD is checked but since BD-25 is selected probably not part of it. I'll try unselecting it in next tests.

New burn has same audio "gaping"..video is fine. I'll now test the thresholds some.

Edit 1: If I switch BD-RB to Movie & Menus, with Edit mode ON.. All VIDs are there including Menu with a 5 files except Menu set to be blanked. Switch off Edit Mode and only, of course, the Menu VID is displayed.

[jdobbs]

It happened in 2 cases here. I'll check if I find another BD which has such playlists.

Anyway, my workaround has been to import this encoded version and rebuild the quick menu. As you wrote, the MPLS then became sequentially renumbered and all was ok.

Added:
Now I deleted the titles.inf and started allover again, not touching the menus.
Here the generated titles.inf (untouched). Same mystery.
[Titles]
Title=BD_BREAKING_BAD_S5_D2
00119=01. Feature Presentation: [00:48:03.922]
00120=02. Feature Presentation: [00:47:25.884]
00121=03. Feature Presentation: [00:47:17.876]
00122=04. Feature Presentation: [00:47:21.880]00084=05. Disc Extra: [00:15:38.687]
00098=06. Disc Extra: [00:10:14.547]
00100=07. Disc Extra: [00:12:09.295]
[Position]
00119=1
00120=2
00121=3
00122=4
00084=5
00098=6
00100=7
[Selected]
00119=-1
00120=-1
00121=-1
00122=-1
00084=-1
00098=-1
00100=-1

There must be a "Translation" error when generating the .inf textfile from the MPLS.

Added2:In case it would help:
The correct playlists for the 4 features are 00804.mpls, 00805.mpls, 00806.mpls, 00807.mplsMy mistake, I wasn't thinking. I was just reminded when I started reviewing the code that those references aren't the MPLS numbers. They are the position of the MPLS in the scanned order. It has to be done that way because of the possibility of multiple sources (e.g. during import) when MPLSs might often have identical names.

[Sharc]

My mistake, I wasn't thinking. I was just reminded when I started reviewing the code that those references aren't the MPLS numbers. They are the position of the MPLS in the scanned order. It has to be done that way because of the possibility of multiple sources (e.g. during import) when MPLSs might often have identical names.
So nothing wrong then, and my reported menu problems have possibly all been caused by changing the thresholds along the menu creation route?

[gonca]

Wow is that US or CDN?! ;)

Nice. BTW I have had some odd problems with using TMT3 to test my BD-RB backups, such as listing all subtitle and audio tracks as English. So I'm not surprised it makes mistakes with the new features.

I also have TMT5 and TMT6 that I've never installed but I guess they are broken too? Only PowerDVD11 works reliably?

US but the two currencies are close to par anyway.

TMT 6 doesn't like BD_RB menus.
PowerDVD 13 is good. According to jdobbs 11 is also good.
Sony 550 standalone is good with the menus also.

[laserfan]

US but the two currencies are close to par anyway.
Just teasing, and bumping your generous $100 donation to remind others to contribute. And your locale caught my eye as I have very fond memories from my several trips to Toronto. I love Canada and [most of] its people.

:)

TMT 6 doesn't like BD_RB menus.
PowerDVD 13 is good. According to jdobbs 11 is also good.
Sony 550 standalone is good with the menus also.
Thanks, I might have to invest in PDVD (again).

;)

[jdobbs]

US but the two currencies are close to par anyway.

TMT 6 doesn't like BD_RB menus.
PowerDVD 13 is good. According to jdobbs 11 is also good.
Sony 550 standalone is good with the menus also. As I said, I'm really confident that the menus follow the BD standard. Nothing is impossible -- but I was very careful in the way they are structured. So if the text, editor, or the content has issues I'm not that surprised -- because there is a lot of new code there, but if something can't play it I strongly suspect the player.

[RobertM]

I have very fond memories from my several trips to Toronto.

Peter Ustinov used to say the Toronto was like NY City but run by the Swiss. Now he'd probably say it was "under new management" ;)