BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Sharc]

How does this relate to a BD Rebuilder bug?
We are leaving the topic I mean.....

[AmigaFuture]

So it looks like the subtitles caused the conflict with the falsely (your experimentally) applied IVTC which changed the framerate of the video (decimation).
Anyway, I understand when you run BD RB with its default settings all is ok, right?

Yup, looks like the Subtitles are the cause. In some way. Also ran BD-RB as Default, except for ENABLE_TEST=1 and it goes through fine. So...hmm... After that finished, I added "IVTC_1080i=1" for fun, and the error returned. Probably some flag causing a problem.

I'm going to check the video for any "jitters". Because I'm curious.

I didn't mean to spark any major debates. Haha.

@MrVideo

The Lawyer thing...I was messin' with you in my reply. I appreciate the catch in typo. :D

[MrVideo]

The Lawyer thing...I was messin' with you in my reply. I appreciate the catch in typo. :D
No offense taken. There was another typo in the response, but I left that one alone. :D

[Sharc]

Yup, looks like the Subtitles are the cause. In some way. Also ran BD-RB as Default, except for ENABLE_TEST=1 and it goes through fine. So...hmm... After that finished, I added "IVTC_1080i=1" for fun, and the error returned. Probably some flag causing a problem.

I'm going to check the video for any "jitters". Because I'm curious.

Assuming (from previous speculations) that your source is a conversion from BBC(25) to NTSC(29.97i) could you perhaps upload a few seconds snippet of your source? I am just curious how this looks like. Thanks.

[peto2]

Hi

I can't find a direct answer to this issue or another forum to report my issue

I have a file that is 24 fps (24.00?). When I use BD Rebuilder it changes this to 23.976 fps (I understand this is valid) . Currently I can't find anything to override this change. This would not really be a issue however it does mean any subtitles eventually become out of sync. Is ther a hidden option I have missed or workaround or am I trying to do something that is not normally valid ?

[drmih]

Assuming a ripper becomes available to backup 4K UHD discs (I believe that 3 have been done by groups so far), and that the file structure seems the same as standard blu-ray, would it be difficult to update the software for the higher resolution and produce bd-50 / 25 backups?

[jdobbs]

Assuming a ripper becomes available to backup 4K UHD discs (I believe that 3 have been done by groups so far), and that the file structure seems the same as standard blu-ray, would it be difficult to update the software for the higher resolution and produce bd-50 / 25 backups?Probably not. But I'd have to do a lot of dumping of a UHD disc so I can make sure the backup uses proper flags, identifiers, etc. Currently I don't even own a drive that can read UHD.

[spotswood]

Hi all... recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9 (Movie & Menus) using the latest v0.50.23 and re-encoded the DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1. This particular title uses multiple .m2ts files and as the movie plays, when moving from one .m2ts to the next there is an audible scratchy noise for a split second, very distracting. Any ideas? Thanks for any help/suggestions...

[MrVideo]

recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9
Can I ask a curiosity question... with the prices of BD25 media so cheap these days, why a BD9?

Have you tried just extracting just the DTS core, instead of recoding?

[spotswood]

Can I ask a curiosity question... with the prices of BD25 media so cheap these days, why a BD9?

Have you tried just extracting just the DTS core, instead of recoding?Simply because I don't burn, I save all my rebuilds to HDD's and play them with Kodi using DSPlayer/LAVaudio/ReClock/madVR. This saves a ton of "space" which allows for a much larger library and the quality is negligible (in my opinion).

To answer to your second question, I'm in the process of running a second job right now to test, although the dts core takes up a little more space for minimal (if any) increase in sound quality. Plus I only use a 5.1 soundbar for my sound system...

...and I know how jdobbs feels about software players but I haven't had any problems with my current setup. I'll burn a disc and try playing it in my Samsung player that's been gathering dust... ;^)

[MrVideo]

although the dts core takes up a little more space for minimal (if any) better sound quality. Plus I only use a 5.1 soundbar for my sound system...
The point is to do as little recoding as possible. Everytime a digital file is recoded, errors/artifacts are introduced. I believe that the DTS core is only 5.1. No recoding required.

[spotswood]

The point is to do as little recoding as possible. Everytime a digital file is recoded, errors/artifacts are introduced. I believe that the DTS core is only 5.1. No recoding required.I completely understand and appreciate what you're saying, but I've done over 100 rebuilds converting dts to ac3 (for no other reason than to save space and a higher video bitrate) with excellent results. The titles I've had problems with recently are with multiple .m2ts files converting DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1, so maybe that has something to do with it, I don't know, but I'm trying different things and will report back. Thanks for the help...

[jdobbs]

Hi all... recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9 (Movie & Menus) using the latest v0.50.23 and re-encoded the DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1. This particular title uses multiple .m2ts files and as the movie plays, when moving from one .m2ts to the next there is an audible scratchy noise for a split second, very distracting. Any ideas? Thanks for any help/suggestions...I'll run a test on that one and see what I can find.

[geheim]

Probably not. But I'd have to do a lot of dumping of a UHD disc so I can make sure the backup uses proper flags, identifiers, etc. Currently I don't even own a drive that can read UHD.

What about adding UHD Support for mkv files?? So that mkv could be converted to UHD file structure and - if necessary - reencoded/shrinked to fit on BD-25/50??

Isn't that easier than doing "full backups" of discs?? And you wouldn't Need to have a UHD drive.

By adding this function we could easily backup some UHD TV recordings and play them on UHD Players - better than with MKV.

Perhaps you could take a look at it??
Thanks so much :)

[Mark_Venture]

Have you tried just extracting just the DTS core, instead of recoding?Not trying to hijack the discussion, but... do you mean using 3rd party tools to manually extract DTS core and mux it back into the BD-Rebuilder output file? Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

[worknstiff]

@ Mark_Venture; Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

Yes, When doing a BD25 backup you just leave the check in the (Do Not Convert DTS to AC3)

[spotswood]

Not trying to hijack the discussion, but... do you mean using 3rd party tools to manually extract DTS core and mux it back into the BD-Rebuilder output file? Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

@ Mark_Venture... Yes, When doing a BD25 backup you just leave the check in the (Do Not Convert DTS to AC3)Correct, and you also need to UNcheck "Keep HD Audio for BD25/Alternate intact". That will tell BDRB to extract the DTS core when doing BD25. When doing BD9 (in my case) it uses the core track automatically since using the HD audio would take up WAY too much space...

[AmigaFuture]

Assuming (from previous speculations) that your source is a conversion from BBC(25) to NTSC(29.97i) could you perhaps upload a few seconds snippet of your source? I am just curious how this looks like. Thanks.

Sure, soon as I create some time.

[bryrabknowles]

This is more feature request than bug, but on my machine I find that running THREADS=1 and MULTIPROCESS=12 provides me with the fastest encode on my machine.
The problem I'm having is that on files too small to multiprocess, they're also stuck with a single thread in their single process - my best results in a single process come at THREADS=15

Could you add a MULTIPROCESS_ THREADS option to optimize both scenarios when doing a full backup?

[Mark_Venture]

@ Mark_Venture; Or is there an option (that I missed) in BD-Rebuilder to keep the DTS core only when converting?

Yes, When doing a BD25 backup you just leave the check in the (Do Not Convert DTS to AC3)

Correct, and you also need to UNcheck "Keep HD Audio for BD25/Alternate intact". That will tell BDRB to extract the DTS core when doing BD25. When doing BD9 (in my case) it uses the core track automatically since using the HD audio would take up WAY too much space...
Ahh I'm doing Alt-MovieOnly-MKV... not BD-25 or the like. And I've been running with Don't convert DTS to AC3 and Keep HD intact.... So seems like if I uncheck Keep HD I should get just core DTS?

[spotswood]

Ahh I'm doing Alt-MovieOnly-MKV... not BD-25 or the like. And I've been running with Don't convert DTS to AC3 and Keep HD intact.... So seems like if I uncheck Keep HD I should get just core DTS?Yep... ;^)

[spotswood]

Hi all... recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9 (Movie & Menus) using the latest v0.50.23 and re-encoded the DTS-MA 7.1 to AC3 5.1. This particular title uses multiple .m2ts files and as the movie plays, when moving from one .m2ts to the next there is an audible scratchy noise for a split second, very distracting. Any ideas? Thanks for any help/suggestions...OK, so I've done a few more tests. I ran another job same as above just to make sure and the scratchy noise remains between .m2ts files. Also burned a DVD+R DL and played it in my Samsung player, scratchy noise persists...

Ran another keeping the DTS core w/BD9 and the soundtrack played clean in Kodi and I don't hear the scratchy noise between .m2ts files, interesting. I also did a movie-only BD9 re-encoding to AC3 and the soundtrack also plays cleanly w/no scratchy noise, probably because the multiple .m2ts files are all combined into one for movie-only. So I've kept the latter for the time being hoping a fix can be found for this minor bug. Thanks again for the replies and help and thank you jdobbs for the great program!

[MrVideo]

So I've kept the latter for the time being hoping a fix can be found for this minor bug.
So, why not roll with the DTS core, which involves no recoding, and gives you the audio as intended by the studio?

There are those that say DTS is better than Dolby Digital.

[spotswood]

So, why not roll with the DTS core, which involves no recoding, and gives you the audio as intended by the studio?

There are those that say DTS is better than Dolby Digital.Because I get a higher video bitrate w/BD9-AC3 and a negligible decrease in sound quality from the DTS core (again in my opinion), just personal preference. Must be those "top men" that say DTS is better... ;^)

[MrVideo]

Must be those "top men" that say DTS is better... ;^)
Saw it in a Wiki page about DTS. We all know how Wiki pages are always 100% right/correct. :D

[MrVideo]

Because I get a higher video bitrate w/BD9-AC3 and a negligible decrease in sound quality from the DTS core
I'm curious... What bitrate do you get between the two of them?

You know, you could get a QNAP 12 bay NAS and put 10 TB drives in it, running two RAID6 volumes. That would get you about 72 TB of storage. You could then save the files at BD25 rates and keep the high res audio. :D

Ya, I know, you have to win Powerball for that to happen. :eek:

[spotswood]

You'd be surprised how much space is used by HD audio --

IMHO anything greater than AC3 @ 640Kbs is a waste of space unless you really, really need more than 5.1 channels. I know people argue about that all the time, and that's why BD-RB allows you to do it however you want. But I trust science, and the double-blind tests (conducted by Dolby) show that 640Kbs AC3 encoding is indistinguishable to the human ear from the original audio (this is where I invariably get all the subjective "Yeah, but I can hear it with my magic ears" comments). I personally believe "HD Audio" to be nothing more than snake oil, it's just snake oil that happens to be selling very well.

On the other hand, opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has one -- and nobody cares about anybody else's. :) Mine included.From the man himself. Science! I rest my case. No more questions ur honor... ;^)

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[gamete]

Good morning

Is it possible make BD from 5 mkv ?
For example

Mkv1
Mkv2
Mkv3
Mkv4
Mkv5

Into 1 BD 25GB ?

What is the Best option to use ?

Thanks

[MrVideo]

Is it possible make BD from 5 mkv ?
Short answer is yes.
What is the Best option to use?
Therein lies the longer answer. It isn't so much an option as the steps needed. All depending on the ifs.

As for options, the only ones to worry about are what you want for the menu font, its color, etc.

If you do not have a BD25-RW disc, get one. You'll want to test what you've done on a rewritable, otherwise you will end up burning coasters. Hardly anyone gets it right the first time around.

OK, first off, what is the video and audio formats contained within the MKV file? Hopefully the video is H.264, BD compliant. The audio needs to be BD compliant at well, though until jdobbs puts out a new version that will allow DD+ audio, any DD+ audio must be converted before use.

If the video and audio are BD compliant and the total size of all the files will fit on the BD-25, then you have the easiest numbers of steps to make a disc:

Go thru all of the options and set the fonts for the menu to what you want, including color.
Import the MKV files
Set up the menu, sorting the order of the imported files and setting the menu titles for the file. Set the overall title as well.
When menu setup is done, BDRB will now mux all of the files and create the menu.
Done. Burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories onto a BD25-RW and test.

Do not close BDRB, as you may need what has been done so far. If the BD videos do not play in your BD player, then the videos were not BD compliant and BDRB must recode them. At this point, go back to the BDRB program and click on the Backup button. BD-RB will now recode all of the videos and build an ISO for you to burn to BD25-RW.

If you desire, you can create your own menu background and import it into BDRB. If you do that, when building the menu, clear the text for the menu title. You will need to position the text using the offsets available in the options. Go back thru the thread and you will find a post from me that provides a couple of templates that have grids to give you a guide as to what to use. I try and center the text horizontally and that depends on the longest menu item. It also depends on the number of menu items on a page. If have 8, or less, set the menu item count per page to 8 and then BDRB won't try and default to two columns, giving a longer line length for those 8.

If you have the means in which to play ISO files, then you won't need the BD25-RW media. You'll just need ImgBurn in order to create an ISO from the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories.

Here is a little bit of a monkey wrench... if the videos you want to import are 1080i29.97 and have 2:3 pulldown video, then you will have to continue on thru the Backup portion and set the IVTC option to 1. That way the 2-3 pulldown will be removed and the video recoded to 1080p23.976. You really do not want 1080i29.97 2:3 pulldown video on BD.

If you have a mixture of non-2:3 pulldown and 2:3 pulldown video, I do not know what to do in that case.

Lastly, if you made a mistake, you must start over. BDRB currently does not have the means in which to keep the menu you had created, i.e., when you import the files again, the menu info will be reset. I've asked for a feature that allows for keeping the menu text.

Experiment. I did a lot of that when I first started making my own Blu-rays from scratch. If you get stumped, post a specific question and we'll get back to you.

[gamete]

With bdrebuilder is possible make a menu ?
i dont' find this option

[varekai]

Good morning

Is it possible make BD from 5 mkv ?
For example

Mkv1
Mkv2
Mkv3
Mkv4
Mkv5

Into 1 BD 25GB ?

What is the Best option to use ?
Thanks

I don't want to complicate things for you but I have created many BD projects with menus from mkv files with multiAVCHD.
It's a bit of a learning curve but once you get an idea of how to make a workflow it does it's job well.
Sadly the software is no longer developed and it has some bugs.
It's a lot of fun to use so have a go at it!

https://multiavchd.deanbg.com/

Edit: Forgot to mention that if the output gets to big to fit on a BD25GB, well that's when BDRB can do it's magic!

[gamete]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression

[varekai]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression
Sorry I don't understand what you mean?
Personally I'd stay away from the "monkey".

[gamete]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression for create a BD structure from MKV

After if necessary compression with BDrebuilder

[varekai]

Maybe is more simple DVDFAB without compression for create a BD structure from MKV

After if necessary compression with BDrebuilder
OK, I understand. I have used a trial of the "monkey" some years ago,
never bought a license though. Didn't like it at all.
For me my workflow is the "red fox" for ripping,
multiAVCHD for creating menus with my own pictuers etc.,
both from BDMV folder structure and mkv files and also adding my own subtitles,
then BDRB for compressing. Works fine for me.

[MrVideo]

With bdrebuilder is possible make a menu ?
i dont' find this option
See steps 2 & 3 in my post. After you've imported the files, you are automatically presented with the GUI to set up the text for the menu items. It isn't an option.

[gamete]

thanks

[MrVideo]

I don't want to complicate things for you but I have created many BD projects with menus from mkv files with multiAVCHD.
I did not like how the software progressed from one menu item to the next. Plus, it never added to ability to have a simple text menu, which BDRB has. The transition from one menu page to another is very smooth.

I create my own image background for the menu. Placed on it is the simple text for the menu items. I can pick the font and its color.

IMHO, BDRB, beats multiAVCHD, hands down. Can it be improved? Of course it can. Every program can be improved. I've put forward some suggestions.

[varekai]

I did not like how the software progressed from one menu item to the next. Plus, it never added to ability to have a simple text menu, which BDRB has. The transition from one menu page to another is very smooth.

I create my own image background for the menu. Placed on it is the simple text for the menu items. I can pick the font and its color.

IMHO, BDRB, beats multiAVCHD, hands down. Can it be improved? Of course it can. Every program can be improved. I've put forward some suggestions.
You are probaly right, me using multiAVCHD is out of old habit and they seems to die hard.
Never tried menu option in BDRB, guess I'll have to give it try when a new project arises.

[gamete]

Dvdfab not allow to create a bd
Only dvd5 or dvd9

[varekai]

Dvdfab not allow to create a bd
Only dvd5 or dvd9
Now things get out of topic, this is a BDRB bug reports only forum.
Better continue this discussion at the "monkey" forum.
Short answer, I believe it does support output to BD, there's a tutorial on their site.

[gamete]

Absoluty

[bryrabknowles]

This is more feature request than bug, but on my machine I find that running THREADS=1 and MULTIPROCESS=12 provides me with the fastest encode on my machine.
The problem I'm having is that on files too small to multiprocess, they're also stuck with a single thread in their single process - my best results in a single process come at THREADS=15

Could you add a MULTIPROCESS_ THREADS option to optimize both scenarios when doing a full backup?

Bumping this so it doesn't get lost.

Is there something I'm missing that would help with this?

[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrVideo

If you have any suggestions, please pass them along.

Take up knitting?

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[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AmigaFuture

The Lawyer thing...I was messin' with you in my reply. I appreciate the catch in typo.

No offense taken. There was another typo in the response, but I left that one alone. :D

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[Lathe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spotswood

"recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9"


Is this the Space Thriller about the 'makeup' killer...?

Sorry, couldn't resist... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/rolleyes2.gif

[jdobbs]

OK, so I've done a few more tests. I ran another job same as above just to make sure and the scratchy noise remains between .m2ts files. Also burned a DVD+R DL and played it in my Samsung player, scratchy noise persists...

Ran another keeping the DTS core w/BD9 and the soundtrack played clean in Kodi and I don't hear the scratchy noise between .m2ts files, interesting. I also did a movie-only BD9 re-encoding to AC3 and the soundtrack also plays cleanly w/no scratchy noise, probably because the multiple .m2ts files are all combined into one for movie-only. So I've kept the latter for the time being hoping a fix can be found for this minor bug. Thanks again for the replies and help and thank you jdobbs for the great program!I ran "Rogue One" this morning and I can't repeat your issue. It sounds perfect after reencoding to AC3 and making into an MKV. Also, if you kept the DTS track and it is working correctly -- any issue would have nothing to do with the fact that there are multiple M2TS files -- because the DTS is combined first and then reencoded to AC3 when converting. In fact -- there is no way that an AC3 encoder could even tell when the breaks between tracks occur since it is using the DTS track as its source.

Could you post the contents of the AUD_00800_XXXX.AVS file from the working folder? (the XXXX would be a number that depends on which audio track you are keeping. The primary English track on my disc is 4352.)

[gonca]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spotswood

"recently rebuilt Rouge One as a BD9"


Is this the Space Thriller about the 'makeup' killer...?

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