Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[skyfighter]

I cannot solve the interreptions while playing a 720p movie in VMR9 renderless mode. When I choose system default, everything is fine but when I tried VMR 9 renderless mode to enable subtitles, it was not played properly. I also tried pure codec with KMplayer and BS player but experienced the same problem.I also tried the different combinatons of VMR9 rendess and disabled the subtitles of MPC, they did not change anything.
My configuration is MPC HC ver 1.1.741, Athlon 3000+ 2Gb memory, WinXP SP2,MSI radeon 2600pro

[Kado]

Use mpc rev754, update your video drivers to catalyst v8.8 and directx to august 2008 redist.

[Casimir666]

I tried Blu-ray disc (japanese anime : utawarerumono in BD disc with english .PGS subtitle). but some subtitles are displayed and many are not displayed. It doesnt' still work very well.
Can you extract the track with TsMuxer and post the .SUP file?

and one question: Do you plan to add inverse telecine support to deinterlace with dxva on because when i use dvxa i can't use ffdshow+avisynth+telecide filter (inverse telecine) and for this moment MPc HC doesn't support inverse telecine
Sorry it's not planned.

[rica]

and one question: Do you plan to add inverse telecine support to deinterlace with dxva on because when i use dvxa i can't use ffdshow+avisynth+telecide filter (inverse telecine) and for this moment MPc HC doesn't support inverse telecine

I think it is gonna be impossible forever.

[GrofLuigi]

Please don't recreate file associations if I only visit the preferences/formats page (verified with directory\shell; and I think this behavior was present since forever; my settings are stored in .ini file).

I know this is conflicting with other users' requests, but I thought file association wars were over... And I know it's hard to tackle this on various OSs, but still... There must be some gentler way of handling them.

Suggestion (not too educated - don't know if it's possible):

1. Don't touch anything in the registry until the user hits "apply". (Maybe just hitting OK while on that page is interpreted as "apply"?)

2. Have a separate checkmark for enqueue (if it would clutter the GUI too much - then only one that applies to all).

3. The groups are in-built, right? Either ungroup them (but it would clutter too much) or make them only informative - not to restore all file associations in a group while checking/unchecking (not verified if this is the actual cause, but sometimes unwanted extensions have returned).

GL

[Aleksoid1978]

Suggestion (not too educated - don't know if it's possible):

1. Don't touch anything in the registry until the user hits "apply". (Maybe just hitting OK while on that page is interpreted as "apply"?)


Yes - Ok=Apply, in all Options Dialog. If hit Cancel - no change

[CiNcH]

Do you plan to add inverse telecine support to deinterlace with dxva on because when i use dvxa i can't use ffdshow+avisynth+telecide filter (inverse telecine) and for this moment MPc HC doesn't support inverse telecine

Doesn't DXVA PostProcessing support Inverse Telecine? HQV tests that and all recent GPU's with DXVA pass the test.
Also CCC and nVIDIA Control Panel have an option to detect telecined material and inverse it. I am not dealing with such stuff so this is just theory.

[ANGEL_SU]

I cannot play an audio cd with svn 754 (x86). I remember that old version (ex. svn 710) works fine. Could check this?

[ikarad]

Can you extract the track with TsMuxer and post the .SUP file?

yes, I have extracted .sup files with Tsmuxer and transform in srt file with suprip. TO finish I read subs with vobsub.
But with your new version lots of subs are not displayed, only some subs are displayed.

Sorry, but I don't have .sup file because I don't have these Blu-ray discs in this moment and blu-ray player (it's my brother that have B disc but he isn't here). I just have .srt files.

The .zip contains .srt files for the first Blu-ray disc of utawarerumono

[ikarad]

I think it is gonna be impossible forever.

Why is it impossible?

Without dxva it is possible with telecide filter with ffdshow and avysinth.

Doesn't DXVA PostProcessing support Inverse Telecine? HQV tests that and all recent GPU's with DXVA pass the test.
Also CCC and nVIDIA Control Panel have an option to detect telecined material and inverse it. I am not dealing with such stuff so this is just theory.

When i use dxva with mpc-HC and activate inverse tecine in the nvidia control panel, the inverse telecine doesn't work

[CiNcH]

From what I know, MPC Video Decoder generally does not yet handle interlaced material properly.

[Rester]

How can I remove MPC from the Context Menus? Of course there is the registry solution, but is there an option in MPC-HC that allows me to do that?

Thanks

[clsid]

There is no options for that yet. I have already suggested that here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1172733&highlight=context+menu#post1172733

[Brazil2]

Can you see if both cores are almost equal used?
For me they are not. Using ffdshow do you have this issue?
Sorry for the late answer but I've been away.

Same goes for me, one of the cores is more used than the other one.

And I have a similar issue with this file:
http://mirror05.x264.nl/public/force.php?file=./beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample.ts

The video is far behind the audio in MPC-HC with the internal filters and it's stuttering a lot in MPlayer. However it's playing fine in MPC-HC with the internal splitter and CoreAVC and it's also playing fine in VLC 0.9.0.
Not to mention that the aspect ratio is not correct with the internal MPC-HC decoder but it is correct with CoreAVC and also in MPlayer and VLC.

BTW is there any chance that we could get a deinterlace option in the H264-VC1 internal filter ? The one used for MPEG seems to work pretty fine and it would be nice to have the same deinterlace ability for H264 and VC1 :)

[Brazil2]

And maybe allow the user to control what MPC add to the context menus. Some people might prefer not to add those items to the context menu.
Yes, I second that.

I don't want any application to add items to the context menu without my agreement or without an easy way to manage them.

[GrofLuigi]

Yes - Ok=Apply, in all Options Dialog. If hit Cancel - no change

Then please make file associations an exception (there is button "set" there but it's never active - maybe through that? Make changes in the registry only when the "set" button is pushed?).

Otherwise, it's very disappointing to make changes in other page of the preferences and hit OK - only to see file associations reapplied.

GL

[[ReX]]

;1174708']Thank you so much, i will try to compile again tomorrow and i will post a feedback here.

[ReX] , read here (http://translate.google.ru/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ru-board.com%2Ftopic.cgi%3Fforum%3D5%26topic%3D9024%26start%3D1681%26limit%3D1%26m%3D1%231&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8). This machine translation of my instructions for assembling MPC-HC, the original is written in Russian (http://forum.ru-board.com/topic.cgi?forum=5&topic=9024&start=1681&limit=1&m=1#1).

Successfully compiled.

A note: If you add BaseClasses directory after Microsoft SDK include directory (in Include files) you'll get errors because there are header files with the same name on SDK dir.
You only need to add BaseClasses directory before Microsoft SDK include dir.

[skyfighter]

Use mpc rev754, update your video drivers to catalyst v8.8 and directx to august 2008 redist.

I did but nothing changed. There are still interruptions as the video play is not smooth. Everything is okay when I choose system default. What can I do?

[Casimir666]

Doesn't DXVA PostProcessing support Inverse Telecine? HQV tests that and all recent GPU's with DXVA pass the test.
Also CCC and nVIDIA Control Panel have an option to detect telecined material and inverse it. I am not dealing with such stuff so this is just theory.
Most modern video cards have options for video (telecine, edge enhancement, level correction, ...) but there is a big mistery for me : how do they works? Should they be activated or not, and how?
DirectX have a specific flag to tell driver the surface contains video (D3DPRESENTFLAG_VIDEO), but is it used?

If anyone have good technical informations on this subject i will be deeply interested :)

[engene]

Most modern video cards have options for video (telecine, edge enhancement, level correction, ...) but there is a big mistery for me : how do they works? Should they be activated or not, and how?
DirectX have a specific flag to tell driver the surface contains video (D3DPRESENTFLAG_VIDEO), but is it used?

If anyone have good technical informations on this subject i will be deeply interested :)


I found the information about hardware-accelerated deinterlacing:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms787638(VS.85).aspx

[skyfighter]

I did but nothing changed. There are still interruptions as the video play is not smooth. Everything is okay when I choose system default. What can I do?

Can someone help me? I guess it is a simple trick but I cannot solve myself.

[Kado]

Does your file has subtitles? If so change the buffering to other than 0 (zero).

[Snowknight26]

When I play back a VOB, if I drag and drop another VOB onto MPC-HC x64, it will continue to play both. If I hit stop, only one of them stops. If I hit close file, only one of them closes.

Infact, if I hit close while one of the VOBs are playing, it still plays but supposedly closes the file anyway - all the controls are disabled yet its still going.

[THX-UltraII]

thank m8, I see that in the settings of the Haali Media Splitter there are 2 things in the suboptions LANGUAGES that can be altered:

Audio Language priority
Subtitle language priority

I filled in ''Dutch'' and ''Dut'' (without the quotes) in the Subtitle language priority but this doesn t help.....

Maybe I m doing something wrong here or have to type in something else?


thanks! this did the job! However, a second question:

When a file does not contain dutch subtitles and I want to auto-load the ENGLISH subtitles that a file has, is there a way that this can be done? (so dutch subs IF available and if NOT available load ENGLISH subtitles)

[Rectal Prolapse]

First public release with fully functionnal subtitles support for M2TS is available here :
http://www.zshare.net/download/175456839b0ae289/

Since i have made heavy modifications in subtitle engine, please let me know if :
- you see broken things in SRT or MKV subtitles for example.
- some BRD subs are not displayed properly

Hi Casimir, just letting you know that the color conversion used for BD PGS streams seems to be wrong. Black outlines appear as gray.

For example if you take a screenshot, you'll notice that the black bars taken from a 2.35:1 movie are RGB 16,16,16. If the subtitle is white with black outlines, the outline is incorrectly encoded as RGB 29,29,29. The white text itself is encoded as RGB 216,216,216 when it should be 235,235,235.

This is in Windows XP with VMR9.

I have compared against PowerDVD - and it handles color conversion correctly.

[ikarad]

Can you extract the track with TsMuxer and post the .SUP file?
yes, I have extracted .sup files with Tsmuxer and transform in srt file with suprip. TO finish I read subs with vobsub.
But with your new version lots of subs are not displayed, only some subs are displayed.

Sorry, but I don't have .sup file because I don't have these Blu-ray discs in this moment and blu-ray player (it's my brother that have B disc but he isn't here). I just have .srt files.

The .zip contains .srt files for the first Blu-ray disc of utawarerumono

I give you an example. here are the first subtitle until the fifteenth subtile.
2
00:00:02,068 --> 00:00:03,636
It's hot. . .

3
00:00:03,636 --> 00:00:05,138
Burning. . .

4
00:00:05,472 --> 00:00:07,340
My body. . .

5
00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:08,975
My throat. . .

6
00:00:09,309 --> 00:00:10,643
Burning!

7
00:00:10,643 --> 00:00:12,679
It's all right now.

8
00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:15,148
Just relax and sleep .

9
00:00:17,283 --> 00:00:19,185
Who are you?

10
00:00:34,167 --> 00:00:35,702
You mustn't move around just yet.

11
00:00:37,404 --> 00:00:39,572
You're still in pain, aren't you?

12
00:00:39,672 --> 00:00:41,107
Who are you?

13
00:00:41,641 --> 00:00:44,644
My name's Eluluu.

14
00:00:44,644 --> 00:00:45,979
Eluluu?

15
00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:50,984
And this is my house .

are displayed: 3,5,8,9,10,11,12,14

are not displayed:2,4,6,7,13,15

[sneaker_ger]

thanks! this did the job! However, a second question:

When a file does not contain dutch subtitles and I want to auto-load the ENGLISH subtitles that a file has, is there a way that this can be done? (so dutch subs IF available and if NOT available load ENGLISH subtitles)

Just fill in "dut,eng" in the subtitle language priority field.

[ACrowley]

Just want to say that the whole Tearing Problem is gone fro me!

I had bad TEaring with my old HD3870 Card. I had the strongest Tearing with EVR Renderer custom and DXVA. Little bit better with overlayMixer

But now with my new HD4870 its all gone! no more Tearing with any Renderer/DXVA/ any Player :)

[THX-UltraII]

Just fill in "dut,eng" in the subtitle language priority field.

thanks man, I ll give it a try tonight.

[Kado]

@Snowknight26

Yes that happens with me too (mpc hc x86), seems to happen with mpeg2 sd videos although I have two 1080p videos and they close properly. You have to close the player.

[STaRGaZeR]

New icon in 757 working perfectly Aleksoid :)

[phusg]

Hi guys,

With 16-bit color depth DXVA works for me in both Overlay and VRM9 mode (but of course with major color-banding) whilst in 32-bit mode it works in Overlay mode but I get artifacts aplenty (which I think are called macroblocks) in VRM9 mode. With VRM7 DXVA doesn't get activated at all.

As I want to use subtitles this is a PITA! Any ideas as to the cause? Does anyone else have this problem?

My setup:

HD2600 AGP (not supported according to the first post, but is according to http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/DXVASupport.html)
Windows XP SP3
Catalyst hoftix 8.7 drivers
MPC-HC v1.1.604

Regards,
Pete

[skyfighter]

Does your file has subtitles? If so change the buffering to other than 0 (zero).

Yes they have subtitles.I disabled them but there is still jittering. If you think this problem is caused by subtitles, could you expain where I should changed the buffering? (I use XP)
Please also not that when I choose system default as video renderer, the problem goes but I cannot use the subtitles.

[skyfighter]

I found the tab of buffering which was originally 3,I inreased it to 10 but nothing happened, the problem exists. I noticed, when I enable VMR9 mixer mode, video sometimes slow downs. Any suggestion?

[Casimir666]

Hi Casimir, just letting you know that the color conversion used for BD PGS streams seems to be wrong. Black outlines appear as gray.

For example if you take a screenshot, you'll notice that the black bars taken from a 2.35:1 movie are RGB 16,16,16. If the subtitle is white with black outlines, the outline is incorrectly encoded as RGB 29,29,29. The white text itself is encoded as RGB 216,216,216 when it should be 235,235,235.

This is in Windows XP with VMR9.

I have compared against PowerDVD - and it handles color conversion correctly.

My current ITU-709 -> RGB conversion is :
R = (Y + 1.402*(Cr-128));
G = (Y - 0.34414*(Cb-128) - 0.71414*(Cr-128));
B = (Y + 1.772*(Cb-128));

Is it the correct transformation formulas ?

[tetsuo55]

Hi guys,

With 16-bit color depth DXVA works for me in both Overlay and VRM9 mode (but of course with major color-banding) whilst in 32-bit mode it works in Overlay mode but I get artifacts aplenty (which I think are called macroblocks) in VRM9 mode. With VRM7 DXVA doesn't get activated at all.

As I want to use subtitles this is a PITA! Any ideas as to the cause? Does anyone else have this problem?

My setup:

HD2600 AGP (not supported according to the first post, but is according to http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/DXVASupport.html)
Windows XP SP3
Catalyst hoftix 8.7 drivers
MPC-HC v1.1.604

Regards,
Pete

Any version newer than 8.6 agp hotfix has this problem

[Rectal Prolapse]

My current ITU-709 -> RGB conversion is :
R = (Y + 1.402*(Cr-128));
G = (Y - 0.34414*(Cb-128) - 0.71414*(Cr-128));
B = (Y + 1.772*(Cb-128));

Is it the correct transformation formulas ?

Hi Casimir - this is the function I use to convert Rec.709 to RGB (from my old hdsup2bdn tool):


void SupPalette::YCrCbToRGB_Rec709()
{
double Kr = 0.2125, Kb = 0.0721;
double Kg = 1.0 - Kr - Kb;

double rp = Y + 2*(Cr-128)*(1.0-Kr);
double gp = Y - 2*(Cb-128)*(1.0-Kb)*Kb/Kg - 2*(Cr-128)*(1.0-Kr)*Kr/Kg;
double bp = Y + 2*(Cb-128)*(1.0-Kb);

R = fabs(rp); G = fabs(gp); B = fabs(bp);

//cout << "\tY = " << long(Y) << ", Cr = " << long(Cr) << ", Cb = " << long(Cb) << endl;
//cout << "\tR = " << rp << ", G = " << gp << ", B = " << bp << endl;
}


The resulting coefficients are very different from yours unfortunately.

[Casimir666]

Hi Casimir - this is the function I use to convert Rec.709 to RGB (from my old hdsup2bdn tool):

The resulting coefficients are very different from yours unfortunately.
Thanks, i have modified the colorspace function with your code. By the way, do you have a Rec-601 -> RGB function too?

[Casimir666]

Ok found, same function with different coefs : http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Color_conversions

[Kado]

I can't see PGS subs from a ts file I have here, I have even tried to rebuild the bluray and it works in pdvd fine. Can you provide a sample that works for you?

[STaRGaZeR]

I can't see PGS subs from a ts file I have here, I have even tried to rebuild the bluray and it works in pdvd fine. Can you provide a sample that works for you?

I've a m2ts ripped Blu-ray with PGS and can't see anything either.

[Guest]

The .zip contains .srt files for the first Blu-ray disc of utawarerumono Not allowed to post that. Attachment deleted.

[Kado]

Another thing, if you open various files sequentially (I tried with 720p videos) the memory usage will grow quite a lot!
I opened the same video 16 times and the memory usage went from 160MB to 1GB! Eventually the playback may not remain smooth.
Memory usage stopped growing at 1.3GB even if I kept opening videos although I still had 700MB of system memory free.
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/mpc_mem.png
Vista x86 SP1 + 9800GTX 177.89 + MPC HC rev757 + 3GB system memory

[Rectal Prolapse]

Ok found, same function with different coefs : http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Color_conversions

That's great casimir! I forgotten where I found the formula from - good to know you found it instead. :)

[skyfighter]

I found the tab of buffering which was originally 3,I inreased it to 10 but nothing happened, the problem exists. I noticed, when I enable VMR9 mixer mode, video sometimes slow downs. Any suggestion?

May someone help me please?

[ranpha]

May someone help me please?

Try using 2D surfaces/regular offscreen plain surface instead of 3D surfaces. Go to your card Direct3D settings and set all quality settings to the minimum.

[skyfighter]

I did, unfortunately same again. Can it be possible from slow Harddisk? I use a 80 Gb 7200 rpm Samsung harddisk. It is strange because when I select "system default", everything is okay.

[IanD]

Playing back an X.264 video clip that is supposed to be dxva compatible, with MPC-HC 664, I get DXVA acceleration; however, using MPC-HC 754 DXVA is not used.

Also, playing back an mkv extract from one of the Star Trek TOS1 HD-DVD episodes with MPC-HC 664, whilst I get DXVA acceleration, the picture jerks and pixellates periodically every 1.5 seconds; with MPC-HC 754 playback is completely smooth but at the cost of high CPU.

Is MPC-HC 754 detecting a DXVA anomally in the mkv and correctly dropping back to no-DXVA mode, or is it just broken for H.264 at the moment?

Using Nvidia 177.92 with 8600GT under XP SP2.

[ranpha]

I did, unfortunately same again. Can it be possible from slow Harddisk? I use a 80 Gb 7200 rpm Samsung harddisk. It is strange because when I select "system default", everything is okay.

Then next you should try using VMR7 renderless, or install .NET 3 Framework and use EVR custom presenter.

[Aleksoid1978]

Is MPC-HC 754 detecting a DXVA anomally in the mkv and correctly dropping back to no-DXVA mode, or is it just broken for H.264 at the moment?



Yes - MPC-HC 754 detecting a DXVA anomally in the mkv and correctly dropping back to no-DXVA mode.