Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA! [Archive] - Page 65

pitch.fr

15th July 2008, 12:05

anyone using MPC HC with Reclock ?

I understand Casimir is watching his movies in 60Hz, so he couldn't care less that the custom EVR renderer randomly drops frames.....but there's several other active coders it seems ?

none of them is using Reclock in 24/48/72 Hz ?

it seems that sometimes there is some timestamps that are "floating" in some movies(due to Reclock changing the timestamps), HR will smooth them so you don't notice it...but MPC HC simply drops(with the jitter infos you see a big wave going through) :(

there's a start of explanation in the avisynth section of ffdshow :

Smooth timestamps

This mode will smooth frame durations that alternate between two values every other frame by setting the duration of the current frame to the average duration of the current and last frame. This allows adding/dropping frames on 24FPS NTSC video (with a bob filter, for example) where timestamps that are alternating between 33 and 50ms will be replaced with a constant duration of 41.7ms. Video that already has constant frame durations will keep them, of course.

if some good samaritan could somehow beef up MPC HC's EVR presenter stability so it actually smoothes timestamps, my friends on HCFR and I would be in debt forever :D

Xeraf

15th July 2008, 12:45

I have some questions related to my configuration (Asus M3N78-EMH HDMI connected to a Panasonic PX80 using HDMI for both video and audio). I hope there's a solution:

- Will the Geforce 8200 ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8200mgpu.html , shown as "NVIDIA Geforce 8200 (4318)" under MPC Video decoder properties) be supported? Or should it be already supported and I can't get it to work? I tried every release/video card driver I could get but no way.

- Is 24hz playback supported under Vista x64 using EVR custom?
My goal is to use PowerDVD external filter (DXVA), but that's the situation:
EVR Custom with PowerDVD Filter, 24hz -> video stuttering, subtitles aren't sometime shown (some lines are missing), usually the audio doesn't start (I have to seek the file to get the audio back).
EVR Custom with internal filter (no DXVA support), 24hz -> audio out of sync.
These problems disappear at 60hz (with both video filters) or using WMR9@24hz.

I really hope someone can help, as I tried everything (using haali splitter and ac3filter external filter too).
The thing is that 24hz playback is fine under XP using VMR9 renderless (WMR9 under Vista doesn't support PowerDVD DXVA)!
Thanks.

As there was no reply, I'm wondering if nobody has a 24hz display or nobody has problems with it. :(
May I hope for Geforce 8200 support in future releases?

ooferomen

15th July 2008, 14:33

As there were no reply, I'm wondering if nobody has a 24hz display or nobody has problems with it. :(
May I hope for Geforce 8200 support in future releases?

i sent you a private message

ooferomen

15th July 2008, 14:34

Could you save you settings in a .INI file and post it here?

Do you have enable YUV mixing in VMR9? If so try to uncheck this option.

no YUV mixing is checked

noee

15th July 2008, 16:27

As there was no reply, I'm wondering if nobody has a 24hz display or nobody has problems with it. :(
May I hope for Geforce 8200 support in future releases?

Yes, I do, an LG37 and I watch movies in 24Hz, but I use EVR or HR because I could never get EVR Custom Presenter to work @ 24Hz.

rica

15th July 2008, 17:07

But with LPCM you are not supposed to get 5.1 with S/P-DIF, bandwidth is far from being enough ).

Yes that is just what i mean exactly, so i can't try with SPDIF.
I'll try to fit some analog cables to my creative so as to hear 5.1.(don't have HDMI as well)
I suppose you have onboard audio card?

CiNcH

15th July 2008, 17:20

You don't have to try. It is a driver issue under Vista. I am running Vista just for testing anyway...

rica

15th July 2008, 17:59

I've already tried. It works with analog speakers very well as 5.1 under Vista SP1. (Creative Xi-Fi/Onkyo-mode: DVD Direct Multichannel)

Filters: File Source (Async) > Elecard mpeg Demux > Nero Audio Decoder2

I'll give it a go with the other alternatives (which seem stereo) as my analog outputs ready. (i wonder if they are been listenning as really 5.1 or stereo?)

I gonna edit here.

FINAL EDIT:

Both grapstudio and graphedit gives 5.1 audio; but just graphstudio gives the right information.

Filters: MPC mpeg source > MPC mpa decoder filter:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4078/cinch13yt3.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinch13yt3.jpg)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5010/cinch14kc8.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinch14kc8.jpg)

rica

15th July 2008, 21:14

BTW i remembered how i can not work with standalone MPC Video Decoder.
Both Graphstudio and Graphedit crashes with MPC decoder until i unregister it back.

Is there anybody who might give any SS of working standalone MPC Video decoder on Graph things???

Is the only guy who lives issues with standalone MPC video decoder rica? ( Rica uses Vista SP1.)

Or anybody else?

duckyy

15th July 2008, 22:05

anyone using MPC HC with Reclock ?

I understand Casimir is watching his movies in 60Hz, so he couldn't care less that the custom EVR renderer randomly drops frames.....but there's several other active coders it seems ?

none of them is using Reclock in 24/48/72 Hz ?

it seems that sometimes there is some timestamps that are "floating" in some movies(due to Reclock changing the timestamps), HR will smooth them so you don't notice it...but MPC HC simply drops(with the jitter infos you see a big wave going through) :(

there's a start of explanation in the avisynth section of ffdshow :

if some good samaritan could somehow beef up MPC HC's EVR presenter stability so it actually smoothes timestamps, my friends on HCFR and I would be in debt forever :D

Yeah, I prefer HR over EVR for the same reason. And it seems even more terrible because of my slow CPU(P4 3Ghz). I just can't have smooth playback using this renderer : it randomly drop frames even though I did my best to synch the video plaback to my refresh rate (23.976@24/48Hz)

I watched not too long ago Taegukgi with HR and started the movie at 8ms. After 2h20min, my jitter was only 2.5ms (it went down to 0.25 and then it climbed up - that's apparently the HD2600 cycle - we discussed about it with some friend on HCFR).

I'm happy with HR ; but I would also be greatful if anyone could solve this. I could then have fun with the pixel shaders :p

Aleksoid1978

15th July 2008, 22:51

Still not fixed =/

this is subtitle in external file or in .avi ???

Because internal russian subtitle(view in .mkv) - it's ok.

P.S. - just now test with .avi + .srt - it's ok with russian subtitle(ANSI) with VobSub and internal subtitle render. Vista x86 SP1, Nvidia 7200GS, MPC-HC 666rev.

rica

15th July 2008, 23:48

Aleksoid1978

16th July 2008, 00:37

Alexoid1978,
i tried 666;
it works with h264 using MPC decoder without any problem.
Just tell me how to get rid of WM Video Decoder DMO which doesn't give me any HA with my nVidia 8600 GTS?
I think selecting VC1 option boxes under internal filters doesn't fix this issue? (yes this time even you will get rid of WM Video decoder DMO)
Still "no DXVA" and broken video as well with MPC Video decoder? (nVidia 8600 GTS BTW)

Internal MPC VC1 Decoder not work DXVA with Nvidia.
For me WM Video Decoder DMO - DXVA work fine under XP(output Pin - DXVA), under Vista not work(output pin WMV1).

also can try this utility - http://www.tosei.ru/isoft/mpc/WMV_PowerToy.exe, on Tab "Decoder" set "DXVA WMV support" to "Enabled".

Also if you under XP - install WMP11, after this very good with VC1 - picture fine and no broken

Aleksoid1978

16th July 2008, 01:41

Last, 671 rev:

x86 - http://www.tosei.ru/isoft/mpc/MPC_HC_FS_671.7z
x64 - http://www.tosei.ru/isoft/mpc/MPC_HC_FS_x64_671.7z

P.S. - x64 version can't test myself, because only Vista x86 on work (Vista x64 at home) - test who can and write about x64 version

Fragbert

16th July 2008, 03:08

betaking

16th July 2008, 03:08

Aleksoid1978

16th July 2008, 03:53

Hi,i can not download 671 rev,pls up to rapidshare.com! thanks!

Try now - all ok downloads, i test

P.S. - rapidshare:

http://rapidshare.com/files/130030733/MPC_HC_FS_671.7z.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/130030782/MPC_HC_FS_x64_671.7z.html

betaking

16th July 2008, 04:00

Try now - all ok downloads, i test

P.S. - rapidshare:

http://rapidshare.com/files/130030733/MPC_HC_FS_671.7z.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/130030782/MPC_HC_FS_x64_671.7z.html

yes,I can download now,but Still thanks you up this to rapidshare.com! :thanks:

73ChargerFan

16th July 2008, 05:11

Only DTS 1536 kbps (1.5 Mbit) stutters serverely, and it only does so with the internal filters of MPC-HT.I have the same problem. We should probably post this to the bug tracker on sourceforge.

johnsonlam

16th July 2008, 05:37

also can try this utility - http://www.tosei.ru/isoft/mpc/WMV_PowerToy.exe, on Tab "Decoder" set "DXVA WMV support" to "Enabled".

Thanks.
You're great contributor!

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 06:00

Could you save you settings in a .INI file and post it here?

Attached the ini in a RAR and a screenshot

Casimir666

16th July 2008, 07:53

Attached the ini in a RAR and a screenshot

Can you try to compare video quality with :
- Resizer : 3D surfaces - Bilinear
- Resizer : 3D surfaces - Bicubic A=0.60
- Resizer : 2D surfaces - Bilinear

Do it change something?

Mercury_22

16th July 2008, 07:56

ranpha

16th July 2008, 07:58

Attached the ini in a RAR and a screenshot

What is your subtitle maximum resolution in MPC-HC?

From my tests, if the resolution is the same, subtitle quality is the same between MPC and MPC-HC.

neoufo51

16th July 2008, 08:22

Attached the ini in a RAR and a screenshot
I tried your settings and they fixed all my playback issues. I was using KMPlayer since MPC wasn't working too well even with the Haali Renderer, but by chance, I tried out these settings and I got the playback I was looking for.

Xeraf

16th July 2008, 08:27

With ooferomen help (thanks! He has the same problem as me) I found my lack of dxva hw acceleration (using MPHC filter, as the PowerDVD one works) should be due to Nvidia drivers problem.

Dxva Checker in Vista x64 (not working)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7729/dxvavistaqc6.th.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dxvavistaqc6.jpg)

Dxva Checker in Xp 32 (working)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4034/dxvaxpep4.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dxvaxpep4.jpg)

I guess the filter looks for NV12, but it finds NV24 and doesn't work. Is that fixable in future release?
I already tried to take a look at a registry, but I couldn't find anything :mad:

Brazil2

16th July 2008, 08:40

I'm experiencing huge audio/video synchronization problems when playing this file and when using the internal filters only:
http://trailers.nerodigital.com/Warner/GetSmart_HD.mp4

The video is far behind the audio. Same behaviour with both the release (604) and latest build by Aleksoid (671).
But if I turn off the internal transform filter and then use CoreAVC as an external filter everything is playing perfect.
For the info, I got no problem when playing the file with VLC (0.9.0 nightly build) either.

Core2Duo E6850, HD Radeon 3870, XP 32 bits.

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 08:44

Can you try to compare video quality with :
- Resizer : 3D surfaces - Bilinear
- Resizer : 3D surfaces - Bicubic A=0.60
- Resizer : 2D surfaces - Bilinear

Do it change something?

Same frame and original resolution.
Both MPC and MPC-HC are 32bit, running in Vista 64-bit with k-lite pack
Video info: XVID 640x360 23.98fps 1202Kbps [Video 0]

Looks like HC blurs the video to reduce artifacts.

http://techsuki.net/apps/MalUpdater/mpcqcomparison.png
http://techsuki.net/apps/MalUpdater/mpcqcomparison2.png

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 08:45

I tried your settings and they fixed all my playback issues. I was using KMPlayer since MPC wasn't working too well even with the Haali Renderer, but by chance, I tried out these settings and I got the playback I was looking for.

Heh, nice :) What codec pack do you use? I recommend k-lite.

SCRATCHY

16th July 2008, 09:02

:goodpost:
anyone using MPC HC with Reclock ?

I understand Casimir is watching his movies in 60Hz, so he couldn't care less that the custom EVR renderer randomly drops frames.....but there's several other active coders it seems ?

none of them is using Reclock in 24/48/72 Hz ?

it seems that sometimes there is some timestamps that are "floating" in some movies(due to Reclock changing the timestamps), HR will smooth them so you don't notice it...but MPC HC simply drops(with the jitter infos you see a big wave going through) :(

there's a start of explanation in the avisynth section of ffdshow :

if some good samaritan could somehow beef up MPC HC's EVR presenter stability so it actually smoothes timestamps, my friends on HCFR and I would be in debt forever :D

+1 Please
:thanks:

neoufo51

16th July 2008, 09:18

Heh, nice :) What codec pack do you use? I recommend k-lite.
Actually, none. I like my players to be self-contained and I use only the internal filters in MPC-HC.

Interesting find you have there with the difference between old MPC and MPC-HC. I didn't realize that the video was actually blurrier than with MPC. Then again, I've been using Mplayer for Windows until I stumbled upon MPC-HC so I wouldn't remember what the old MPC was like.

I'm experiencing huge audio/video synchronization problems when playing this file and when using the internal filters only:
http://trailers.nerodigital.com/Warner/GetSmart_HD.mp4

The video is far behind the audio. Same behaviour with both the release (604) and latest build by Aleksoid (671).
But if I turn off the internal transform filter and then use CoreAVC as an external filter everything is playing perfect.
For the info, I got no problem when playing the file with VLC (0.9.0 nightly build) either.

Core2Duo E6850, HD Radeon 3870, XP 32 bits.
I'm experiencing what you are experiencing. However, this doesn't seem to be a DXVA-friendly file as I'm seeing that DXVA isn't being used when I play it.

However, it doesn't explain why VLC, which doesn't have DXVA capability AFAIK, is able to play the file just fine, according to you.

sheppaul

16th July 2008, 09:24

fixed

16th July 2008, 09:25

this is subtitle in external file or in .avi ???

Because internal russian subtitle(view in .mkv) - it's ok.

P.S. - just now test with .avi + .srt - it's ok with russian subtitle(ANSI) with VobSub and internal subtitle render. Vista x86 SP1, Nvidia 7200GS, MPC-HC 666rev.

dvd video + external .srt

first copy of mpc-hc always shows ansi (cp1251) subs in wrong codepage but second works correct. Adding unicode signature (BOM) to utf8 files fix problem with utf.
My default style settings you can see here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1158816&postcount=3177).
xp x64 sp2 with vmr9 renderless or haali renderer (internal subtitle renderer). mpc from guliverkli2 works correct with ansi subs.

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 09:26

Make sure that you are using a same renderer.

I am, same settings in both.

What is your subtitle maximum resolution in MPC-HC?
From my tests, if the resolution is the same, subtitle quality is the same between MPC and MPC-HC.

It's a xvid AVI, the text is part of the video.

fixed

16th July 2008, 09:34

Can you try to compare video quality with :
- Resizer : 3D surfaces - Bilinear
- Resizer : 3D surfaces - Bicubic A=0.60
- Resizer : 2D surfaces - Bilinear

Do it change something?

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2018012&group_id=170561&atid=854651

I think it is similar bug.

ranpha

16th July 2008, 09:51

Same frame and original resolution.
Both MPC and MPC-HC are 32bit, running in Vista 64-bit with k-lite pack
Video info: XVID 640x360 23.98fps 1202Kbps [Video 0]

Looks like HC blurs the video to reduce artifacts.

Did you, in any case, have ffdshow loaded? The subtitle too, it is a soft-sub or a hard-sub?

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2018012&group_id=170561&atid=854651

I think it is similar bug.

That video is a xvid, plus the bug happen even with bilinear resizer being used.

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 10:04

Did you, in any case, have ffdshow loaded? The subtitle too, it is a soft-sub or a hard-sub?

That video is a xvid, plus the bug happen even with bilinear resizer being used.

It's a xvid AVI, the text is part of the video.

fixed

16th July 2008, 10:15

That video is a xvid, plus the bug happen even with bilinear resizer being used.
Exactly. I missed it.

Aleksoid1978

16th July 2008, 10:20

To All - test last x64 rev. - work DXVA or not.

For me(8800GT, Vista x64) - x64 version not work DXVA, after open video - STOP, but x86 version work fine

ranpha

16th July 2008, 10:22

It's a xvid AVI, the text is part of the video.

Ok, did you use ffdshow in any case? Plus, did you have an ATI HD video card?

I can already replicate your problem, but my solution to it probably differs if you do not use ATI.

edit: Also list the codec you use to play the video, although it probably did not matter.

To All - test last x64 rev. - work DXVA or not.

For me(8800GT, Vista x64) - x64 version not work DXVA, after open video - STOP, but x86 version work fine

Tested with a couple of my sure-fire DXVA-compliant test files, and yes they will not play with DXVA on.
Will play with DXVA off and on 32-bit version.

Aleksoid1978

16th July 2008, 10:24

dvd video + external .srt

first copy of mpc-hc always shows ansi (cp1251) subs in wrong codepage but second works correct. Adding unicode signature (BOM) to utf8 files fix problem with utf.
My default style settings you can see here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1158816&postcount=3177).
xp x64 sp2 with vmr9 renderless or haali renderer (internal subtitle renderer). mpc from guliverkli2 works correct with ansi subs.

I test on last, 671 rev - work perfect with .avi + external .srt in ANSI(cp1251) codepage.

Maybe font, that you select for subtitle have error with. Try default font, like Arial, Tahoma, Times New Roman ...

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 10:41

Ok, did you use ffdshow in any case? Plus, did you have an ATI HD video card?

I can already replicate your problem, but my solution to it probably differs if you do not use ATI.

edit: Also list the codec you use to play the video, although it probably did not matter.

MPC seems to be using ffdshow, while mpc-hc used it only for audio. I have a Geforce 8800 GTS

ranpha

16th July 2008, 10:45

MPC seems to be using ffdshow, while mpc-hc used it only for audio. I have a Geforce 8800 GTS

Try forcing MPC-HC to load ffdshow video decoder on the External Filters section and see whether the problem still persists.

Did you enable any of the ffdshow post-processing filters, such as the Sharpen one?

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 10:55

Try forcing MPC-HC to load ffdshow video decoder on the External Filters section and see whether the problem still persists.

Did you enable any of the ffdshow post-processing filters, such as the Sharpen one?

No filters used. Added ffdshow and set it as preferred, then mpc-hc used it this time, but it still looks the same.

However, I've now tried the EVR instead of VMR9 and it looks better, I will compare again with this one.

rica

16th July 2008, 11:10

Internal MPC VC1 Decoder not work DXVA with Nvidia.
For me WM Video Decoder DMO - DXVA work fine under XP(output Pin - DXVA), under Vista not work(output pin WMV1).

also can try this utility - http://www.tosei.ru/isoft/mpc/WMV_PowerToy.exe, on Tab "Decoder" set "DXVA WMV support" to "Enabled".

Also if you under XP - install WMP11, after this very good with VC1 - picture fine and no broken

Hi alex, thanks for the response.

I tried with WMV Power Toy:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9058/alex01pk9.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alex01pk9.jpg)

The result: (Vista 32 SP1/ nVidia 8600 GTS)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3797/alex02gm7.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alex02gm7.jpg)

Nothing has changed with 671.

I've added a short clip:

http://rapidshare.com/files/125927965/trial.ts.html

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Aleksoid1978

16th July 2008, 11:13

Hi alex, thanks for the response.

I tried with WMV Power Toy:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9058/alex01pk9.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alex01pk9.jpg)

The result: (Vista 32 SP1/ nVidia 8600 GTS)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3797/alex02gm7.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alex02gm7.jpg)

Nothing has changed with 671.

I've added a short clip:

http://rapidshare.com/files/125927965/trial.ts.html

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Try change video driver, for me work fine VC1 ...

rica

16th July 2008, 11:21

Try change video driver, for me work fine VC1 ...

I use 175.19.

What FW do you suggest? (haven't found any beta drivers for 8600 GTS)

177.41?

briantokyo

16th July 2008, 11:28

Testing again with MPC VMR9/MPC-HC VMR9/MPC-HC EVR

EVR looks much better than VMR9 for HC;, however, it seems to produce more artifacts

http://techsuki.net/apps/MalUpdater/mpcqcomparison4.png
http://techsuki.net/apps/MalUpdater/mpcqcomparison3.png
http://techsuki.net/apps/MalUpdater/mpcqcomparison5.png